A father's vengeance turns deadly in the heart of Spokane, Washington. On this midweek mini-true crime documentary of Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide, Ky unravels the harrowing tale of John Eisenman, a father who took justice into his own hands after his daughter's harrowing ordeal.
When an abandoned vehicle with a foul stench leads police to a gruesome discovery, the trail points to a shocking act of retribution. John Eisenman, driven by the revelation that his daughter had been sold into sex trafficking, allegedly by her boyfriend, Andrew Sorensen, embarks on a dark path of rescue and revenge.
Ky takes us through the twists and turns of a case that pits the desperate love of a parent against the cold hand of the law. With no prior violent history, Eisenman's actions ignite a debate on the lengths one would go to protect their child.
Today's poll: Should John Eisenman face jail time for his actions, or is there room for mercy in the face of a father's anguish?
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When an abandoned vehicle with a foul stench leads police to a gruesome discovery, the trail points to a shocking act of retribution. John Eisenman, driven by the revelation that his daughter had been sold into sex trafficking, allegedly by her boyfriend, Andrew Sorensen, embarks on a dark path of rescue and revenge.
Ky takes us through the twists and turns of a case that pits the desperate love of a parent against the cold hand of the law. With no prior violent history, Eisenman's actions ignite a debate on the lengths one would go to protect their child.
Today's poll: Should John Eisenman face jail time for his actions, or is there room for mercy in the face of a father's anguish?
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(00:00):
Welcome everyone, welcome to your midweek mini episode.
(00:07):
In this episode, we're talking about a man who killed his daughter's boyfriend because
he sold her into sex trafficking.
Before we begin, if you're new here, my name is Ky and this is Love and Murder, heartbreak
to homicide, the Wednesday edition.
Also, I want to let you know that this episode and all my episodes are sponsored by my
(00:29):
LaMs in Patreon, patreon.com/loveandmurder.
Let's get into this midweek mini.
On October 22, 2021, Spokane police responded to the area of 1800 East Everett in Spokane,
Washington, regarding an abandoned vehicle with a horrible smell coming out of it.
(00:50):
The dispatch police officers spoke with several individuals who were in the vicinity who thought
that they believed that the trunk of the car had a body of a dead person within it.
When police opened the trunk, they did verify that human remains were within the trunk.
They took these remains away for investigation and they determined that the victim was a
(01:12):
19 year old male, but they had no idea who it was or who could have done this to them.
During the investigation and as police uncovered more and more than covered who the victim
was and they found out that the victim did have a girlfriend.
So they went to talk to the girlfriend and this led them all the way back to the girlfriend's
father with an interesting story.
(01:34):
Sixty-year-old John Eisenman who was the girl's father had learned that in October of
2020, his daughter, who was a juvenile at the time, had been sex trafficked in the Seattle
area and had "obtained information that her boyfriend was the one who sex trafficked her."
John pulled a taken move.
(01:56):
You don't know the set of skills I have, but I will find you.
You know the movie taken.
If you haven't seen it, you gotta watch it.
But he pulled a taken move and was able to rescue his daughter and then get her back to
Spokane in that same month.
He wasn't playing.
(02:19):
That's amazing.
So fast forward to November of 2020 when the father learned that the boyfriend who is
now identified as Andrew Sarencin was going to be at a location in Airway Heights, Washington,
John drove there and waited for Andrew to arrive.
When Andrew got there, he confronted him.
(02:41):
In that encounter, Eisenman abducted the victim, tied him up and placed him in the trunk
of a vehicle.
Eisenman subsequently assaulted the victim by hitting him in the head with a cinder block
and then stabbed him repeatedly, causing his death.
After the homicide, Eisenman drove the vehicle to remote area in North Spokane County and
(03:01):
abandoned the car with the body still inside.
There the car stayed at that location until it was moved the next year in October 2021
by a third party and they drove it to Spokane.
The person who moved it over to Spokane was not believed to have known that there was a
body in the trunk at all.
While parked on Everett in Spokane, people started rummaging through the car and taking
(03:24):
things that they wanted because I guess the car was just abandoned.
And that's when these people made a discovery, you know, with a smell, the stench.
I don't think anybody opened the trunk.
I think they were too scared to open the trunk, but they did call 911 and said, "Hey,
do you think something's in that trunk?"
Because the stench is too much.
(03:45):
Where's the car radio?
You ask?
I don't know.
We're calling about the trunk.
Amber Helman said that her boyfriend and one of her friends were working outside and
noticed that the car had been left on their street for a while.
Quote, "They were just looking around and for some reason they decided to look in the trunk
and all I hear is there's a body."
I guess they did look in the trunk.
(04:06):
I like when I read these articles and I'm just speculated and I just read down, I was like,
literally all you have to do was read one more sentence.
So on October 29th, 2021, John was arrested for first degree murder and taken into custody
and he didn't fight it.
When police brought John in, they found out that he had no criminal history nor any violent
(04:28):
criminal history nor any violent complaints against him.
And it's like, "Yeah, what do you expect?
Did he sold his kid into sex trafficking?
Did you really think he was going to go to this person with a bag of marshmallows, graham
crackers and chocolate and sit around a campfire and sing to him?
Are you serious?
(04:49):
Of course he had no criminal history before that because he's not a violent person.
This person, let me reiterate, sold his daughter into sex trafficking.
What do you think?
I mean, you can ask any cop.
Any cop, listen in to what I'm saying right now and they would have no prior incidents.
(05:11):
They were great cops, squeaky clean record, but somebody came and took your daughter and
sold your daughter into sex trafficking.
You were able to get your daughter back.
What would you have done?
Like you see this guy's face, you see this guy just come walking by you.
I mean, maybe you wouldn't have gone search him out.
Maybe you would have.
Look, I'm a judging.
Did you see one day you just see this guy walking just with a smile on his face and join life
(05:35):
walking past you drinking a fricking coffee?
What would you do?
Ask any cop that's listening to this podcast.
You're going to say, oh, well, he didn't have a history of violent behavior.
No, you know why?
Because nobody has fucked with his child.
That's why.
But you decided to take this road.
You decided to sell somebody's child, somebody's daughter into sex trafficking and you thought
(05:58):
you were just going to walk around and be like, oh, money now.
Anyways, I digress.
So he was booked into the Spokane County jail for first degree murder and held on a million
dollar bond.
Quote, it was something that a lot of men say they would do for their daughter.
This father did the unthinkable for some of us to save his little girl from an unspeakable
(06:18):
life that causes long term scars and years of emotional damage.
Many are calling him a hero.
He did the unthinkable.
He did the complete thinkable.
Well, you know what, I'm considering the thinkable as going to save her, the unthinkable,
I guess they were talking about was murder.
So I could see that.
However, Andrew's parents came out and spoke to the news and said to save himself from
(06:42):
a long term prison sentence, John is making this whole thing up and demonizing a quote,
"developmentally disabled young man who was born with autism.
Let's start blaming the autism."
Oh my God, who was born with autism and cerebral palsy and has no ties to sex traffickers.
(07:03):
So you're saying out of the blue, her father went to save his daughter from somewhere.
I guess you're saying she put herself in that situation.
See, she sex trafficked herself.
She put herself in this position.
He just added a blue when it saved her and then just added a blue blamed him.
That's what you're telling me.
We shouldn't blame him because he has autism and cerebral palsy and you're his parents.
(07:29):
So of course you don't know what he does.
His father, Andy, is quoted as saying, quote, "He was a disabled kid.
He didn't have the capacity to sex traffic anyone."
And then the mother said, quote, "We didn't get to tell our side of the story because there's
so much more out there about this that needs to come out."
She went on to say that her son had a below average intelligence and it would never
have occurred to him to try and seduce a girl into prostitution.
(07:53):
Quote, "Our son had an IQ of 81.
If anybody could be taken advantage of, it was him.
We spent a year searching for him and hoping he would return."
Claims by his confess killers have been very hurtful and only added to our family's grief.
The word "alleged" means of an incident without proof.
It has already been reported.
Both the FBI and Washington State Patrol said there is no sex trafficking investigation
(08:17):
into the victim.
So, reading that, I don't know what to think.
Look, let's just take autism off the table.
I'm really getting annoyed with people saying that.
Let's just blame mental health.
But it could have been that this guy heard it was put in his head that this kid did that.
And instead of actually investigating or getting anybody to investigate, I'm not saying his
(08:41):
child wasn't sex trafficked.
She was definitely sex trafficked.
The question is, who did it?
And somebody probably said, "Hey, we heard.
This is why you can't take the law into your hand."
You don't know who actually did it.
You just heard a rumor that it could have been her boyfriend.
It might not have been this young man.
It really might not have been this young man.
(09:01):
It could have been somebody else, but somebody heard a rumor from his friends, best friends,
dog, sisters, brothers, aunts, cats, goldfishes, a feature that it was this boyfriend.
And so he passed down that information.
This is why we don't take the law into our own hands.
We need to find out exactly who did it.
And I don't want to compare this to taken in the effect that he actually investigated who
(09:26):
did this to his daughter.
Like he got the evidence and the proof of who did this to his daughter.
He didn't just go off of, this is what somebody else said.
So this is where I have a problem if it because he just killed somebody because somebody
else said, possibly, this is who did it.
And you can't take everybody's word for it.
(09:47):
It could have been actually the person who told you that it was a boyfriend.
It could have been the person who had ties to somebody who actually did this and was just
feeling guilty in letting the daughter be sold into sex trafficking.
So they wanted to say, hey, let's save the daughter.
So I can get that off my heart and put the blame on the boyfriend when it was actually
(10:09):
this person who ever told you who had ties to the person who actually did it.
So I hope you followed that whole rant.
Either way, this is why we don't take justice into our own hand because you probably killed
an innocent person.
Who knows?
And like they said, this whole thing is alleged.
So I'm putting that over it.
It's alleged because the FBI actually came out and said, quote, we are not involved in any
(10:33):
investigation involving Mr. Serencin.
His name was on our missing person's list at some point, but that does not equate to an
investigation.
An investigation of that type would likely be conducted by local authorities, not WSP,
which is Washington State Police.
We have had no investigation of him related to sex trafficking.
(10:54):
So that was actually WSP.
And the FBI said that it does not, quote, comment on the existence or the non-existence
of any investigation.
Now Andrew did have a police record, but it wasn't for sex trafficking.
So yeah, he could have just been an easy patty.
He has low intelligence as his mom said, I'm not saying it.
(11:15):
His mom said it.
He's probably very trust in and it was probably easy to say, hey, he did it, but it was actually
somebody else who did it.
So the charges that Andrew had against him was that in July 2020, he pled not guilty to
the charges of fourth degree assault, marijuana possession and the intent to sell marijuana.
(11:35):
So that's what his charges were.
I wonder if his mom's going to say that, you know, he's too much of a sweet boy that these
aren't charges against him either.
Look, I'm I'm being jaded here because a lot of parents come out and say, oh, my child
didn't do that.
My child didn't do that.
My child didn't do that even when the evidence mounts against their child.
They still refuse to acknowledge their child did that.
(11:57):
This is this is a ledger because they're not saying that this this man Andrew did it.
So I'm not saying he did it.
I'm not saying he didn't.
I'm just on defense here.
There's no evidence that points to the fact that he did, but I'm jaded when parents start
saying that yeah, my child would never have done that.
He does have a police record.
I'm not saying the police record is sex trafficking.
(12:20):
It's not it's nowhere in there is bad.
I think it would have been better if she came on and said my son wouldn't have ever
done something like this and not blame low IQ or autism or this or that or this or that
or this or that.
But then again, maybe if it was me, I'd be saying the same thing.
I think doing like all these types of episodes have just kind of jaded me.
(12:41):
So I might have said the same thing as she did.
My child couldn't possibly have done that because XYZ XYZ XYZ.
So what I'm doing is I'm processing here as I'm on their mic.
So you're hearing all my thoughts go up and down and up and down and up and down.
There is no definitive evidence saying that he did this and there is no definitive evidence
(13:02):
saying that he didn't do this.
So that's what I'm going to say.
However, there is definitive evidence saying that John did murder him, but John could have
totally murdered an innocent person.
We do know definitely his daughter was sex trafficked.
We don't know definitely who did it.
quote, the most common force of entry into sex trafficking is with the promises of love.
(13:25):
They target a vulnerable young person and make them believe they are loved.
Young women are especially vulnerable to someone who will make them believe this is their
first big love.
This was said by Trisha McFarlane who is part of a group that supports survivors of sex
trafficking.
So that is that case.
(13:45):
This midweek mini.
You heard my thoughts and all the ups and downs and left and right and twists and turns.
I completely agree with the father going to save his daughter.
I don't agree with him doing vigilante justice because he didn't even know if he got the
correct person, but I completely agree with him going to get his daughter.
(14:05):
However, once again, this is why we don't take justice into our own hands because you
could have literally gotten the wrong person, which literally helped nobody.
You just murdered the wrong person and the sex trafficker could still be out there, but
you made yourself feel better.
If there was definitive evidence that this was the person who did that to his daughter,
(14:26):
I could totally understand the whole thought process from the beginning to the end.
I can't say I can don't it, but I could completely understand it.
However, being that you don't know if this was the correct person, you could have totally
gotten your daughter and then once you have your daughter safe, given the information
over to the police for them to run an investigation.
(14:48):
If you didn't trust the police, it could have been the FBI.
It could have been somebody in the state of authority who could have provided more of
an investigation to get this done.
So that's my thoughts of it.
What do you think about this case?
Do you think the father targeted the wrong person?
Let me know in the comments below and for the poll question, do you think that John should
(15:09):
go to jail for this?
Yes or no?
Yes, on everything we talked about here, do you think that he should go to jail for this?
Yes or no?
And that is all I have for you for this midweek mini.
Let's read your comments from last week's midweek mini.
Remember this was the woman who decapitated her young son and the family dog.
(15:31):
I said was Tasha haves and I don't remember if that's how you say it.
I asked was Tasha's act the result of mental insanity or for some other horrible reason?
And Juliet said I can't listen to children or animals or both and I completely understand
that because it's hard to even retell those.
(15:51):
Sarah Mazza says I can't fathom how this could have been anything but an act of insanity.
Either way you shake it she needs help and is not safe around other people.
If she can do this to a defenseless child and animal, her child and dog, what else is
she capable of?
No sad that she didn't get the help she needed before the loss of the boy and the dog.
(16:14):
And the poll 100% of y'all said it was due to mental illness.
And I will continue catching up with your comments from past episodes but that is all I have
for you for this midweek mini.
Let me know what you think about this case and I'll also get the poll question out.
This case was crazy.
(16:34):
I just don't know which way to go if it.
And y'all heard that throughout the entire case.
But that's all I have for you.
Let me know your thoughts in the comments below.
Go ahead and answer the poll.
You can actually also answer it in the Whatsapp group murderandlove.com/Whatsapp.
And I will see you in the next episode.
Bye.
[MUSIC]
Welcome everyone, welcome to your midweek mini episode.
(00:07):
In this episode, we're talking about a man who killed his daughter's boyfriend because
he sold her into sex trafficking.
Before we begin, if you're new here, my name is Ky and this is Love and Murder, heartbreak
to homicide, the Wednesday edition.
Also, I want to let you know that this episode and all my episodes are sponsored by my
(00:29):
LaMs in Patreon, patreon.com/loveandmurder.
Let's get into this midweek mini.
On October 22, 2021, Spokane police responded to the area of 1800 East Everett in Spokane,
Washington, regarding an abandoned vehicle with a horrible smell coming out of it.
(00:50):
The dispatch police officers spoke with several individuals who were in the vicinity who thought
that they believed that the trunk of the car had a body of a dead person within it.
When police opened the trunk, they did verify that human remains were within the trunk.
They took these remains away for investigation and they determined that the victim was a
(01:12):
19 year old male, but they had no idea who it was or who could have done this to them.
During the investigation and as police uncovered more and more than covered who the victim
was and they found out that the victim did have a girlfriend.
So they went to talk to the girlfriend and this led them all the way back to the girlfriend's
father with an interesting story.
(01:34):
Sixty-year-old John Eisenman who was the girl's father had learned that in October of
2020, his daughter, who was a juvenile at the time, had been sex trafficked in the Seattle
area and had "obtained information that her boyfriend was the one who sex trafficked her."
John pulled a taken move.
(01:56):
You don't know the set of skills I have, but I will find you.
You know the movie taken.
If you haven't seen it, you gotta watch it.
But he pulled a taken move and was able to rescue his daughter and then get her back to
Spokane in that same month.
He wasn't playing.
(02:19):
That's amazing.
So fast forward to November of 2020 when the father learned that the boyfriend who is
now identified as Andrew Sarencin was going to be at a location in Airway Heights, Washington,
John drove there and waited for Andrew to arrive.
When Andrew got there, he confronted him.
(02:41):
In that encounter, Eisenman abducted the victim, tied him up and placed him in the trunk
of a vehicle.
Eisenman subsequently assaulted the victim by hitting him in the head with a cinder block
and then stabbed him repeatedly, causing his death.
After the homicide, Eisenman drove the vehicle to remote area in North Spokane County and
(03:01):
abandoned the car with the body still inside.
There the car stayed at that location until it was moved the next year in October 2021
by a third party and they drove it to Spokane.
The person who moved it over to Spokane was not believed to have known that there was a
body in the trunk at all.
While parked on Everett in Spokane, people started rummaging through the car and taking
(03:24):
things that they wanted because I guess the car was just abandoned.
And that's when these people made a discovery, you know, with a smell, the stench.
I don't think anybody opened the trunk.
I think they were too scared to open the trunk, but they did call 911 and said, "Hey,
do you think something's in that trunk?"
Because the stench is too much.
(03:45):
Where's the car radio?
You ask?
I don't know.
We're calling about the trunk.
Amber Helman said that her boyfriend and one of her friends were working outside and
noticed that the car had been left on their street for a while.
Quote, "They were just looking around and for some reason they decided to look in the trunk
and all I hear is there's a body."
I guess they did look in the trunk.
(04:06):
I like when I read these articles and I'm just speculated and I just read down, I was like,
literally all you have to do was read one more sentence.
So on October 29th, 2021, John was arrested for first degree murder and taken into custody
and he didn't fight it.
When police brought John in, they found out that he had no criminal history nor any violent
(04:28):
criminal history nor any violent complaints against him.
And it's like, "Yeah, what do you expect?
Did he sold his kid into sex trafficking?
Did you really think he was going to go to this person with a bag of marshmallows, graham
crackers and chocolate and sit around a campfire and sing to him?
Are you serious?
(04:49):
Of course he had no criminal history before that because he's not a violent person.
This person, let me reiterate, sold his daughter into sex trafficking.
What do you think?
I mean, you can ask any cop.
Any cop, listen in to what I'm saying right now and they would have no prior incidents.
(05:11):
They were great cops, squeaky clean record, but somebody came and took your daughter and
sold your daughter into sex trafficking.
You were able to get your daughter back.
What would you have done?
Like you see this guy's face, you see this guy just come walking by you.
I mean, maybe you wouldn't have gone search him out.
Maybe you would have.
Look, I'm a judging.
Did you see one day you just see this guy walking just with a smile on his face and join life
(05:35):
walking past you drinking a fricking coffee?
What would you do?
Ask any cop that's listening to this podcast.
You're going to say, oh, well, he didn't have a history of violent behavior.
No, you know why?
Because nobody has fucked with his child.
That's why.
But you decided to take this road.
You decided to sell somebody's child, somebody's daughter into sex trafficking and you thought
(05:58):
you were just going to walk around and be like, oh, money now.
Anyways, I digress.
So he was booked into the Spokane County jail for first degree murder and held on a million
dollar bond.
Quote, it was something that a lot of men say they would do for their daughter.
This father did the unthinkable for some of us to save his little girl from an unspeakable
(06:18):
life that causes long term scars and years of emotional damage.
Many are calling him a hero.
He did the unthinkable.
He did the complete thinkable.
Well, you know what, I'm considering the thinkable as going to save her, the unthinkable,
I guess they were talking about was murder.
So I could see that.
However, Andrew's parents came out and spoke to the news and said to save himself from
(06:42):
a long term prison sentence, John is making this whole thing up and demonizing a quote,
"developmentally disabled young man who was born with autism.
Let's start blaming the autism."
Oh my God, who was born with autism and cerebral palsy and has no ties to sex traffickers.
(07:03):
So you're saying out of the blue, her father went to save his daughter from somewhere.
I guess you're saying she put herself in that situation.
See, she sex trafficked herself.
She put herself in this position.
He just added a blue when it saved her and then just added a blue blamed him.
That's what you're telling me.
We shouldn't blame him because he has autism and cerebral palsy and you're his parents.
(07:29):
So of course you don't know what he does.
His father, Andy, is quoted as saying, quote, "He was a disabled kid.
He didn't have the capacity to sex traffic anyone."
And then the mother said, quote, "We didn't get to tell our side of the story because there's
so much more out there about this that needs to come out."
She went on to say that her son had a below average intelligence and it would never
have occurred to him to try and seduce a girl into prostitution.
(07:53):
Quote, "Our son had an IQ of 81.
If anybody could be taken advantage of, it was him.
We spent a year searching for him and hoping he would return."
Claims by his confess killers have been very hurtful and only added to our family's grief.
The word "alleged" means of an incident without proof.
It has already been reported.
Both the FBI and Washington State Patrol said there is no sex trafficking investigation
(08:17):
into the victim.
So, reading that, I don't know what to think.
Look, let's just take autism off the table.
I'm really getting annoyed with people saying that.
Let's just blame mental health.
But it could have been that this guy heard it was put in his head that this kid did that.
And instead of actually investigating or getting anybody to investigate, I'm not saying his
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child wasn't sex trafficked.
She was definitely sex trafficked.
The question is, who did it?
And somebody probably said, "Hey, we heard.
This is why you can't take the law into your hand."
You don't know who actually did it.
You just heard a rumor that it could have been her boyfriend.
It might not have been this young man.
It really might not have been this young man.
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It could have been somebody else, but somebody heard a rumor from his friends, best friends,
dog, sisters, brothers, aunts, cats, goldfishes, a feature that it was this boyfriend.
And so he passed down that information.
This is why we don't take the law into our own hands.
We need to find out exactly who did it.
And I don't want to compare this to taken in the effect that he actually investigated who
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did this to his daughter.
Like he got the evidence and the proof of who did this to his daughter.
He didn't just go off of, this is what somebody else said.
So this is where I have a problem if it because he just killed somebody because somebody
else said, possibly, this is who did it.
And you can't take everybody's word for it.
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It could have been actually the person who told you that it was a boyfriend.
It could have been the person who had ties to somebody who actually did this and was just
feeling guilty in letting the daughter be sold into sex trafficking.
So they wanted to say, hey, let's save the daughter.
So I can get that off my heart and put the blame on the boyfriend when it was actually
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this person who ever told you who had ties to the person who actually did it.
So I hope you followed that whole rant.
Either way, this is why we don't take justice into our own hand because you probably killed
an innocent person.
Who knows?
And like they said, this whole thing is alleged.
So I'm putting that over it.
It's alleged because the FBI actually came out and said, quote, we are not involved in any
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investigation involving Mr. Serencin.
His name was on our missing person's list at some point, but that does not equate to an
investigation.
An investigation of that type would likely be conducted by local authorities, not WSP,
which is Washington State Police.
We have had no investigation of him related to sex trafficking.
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So that was actually WSP.
And the FBI said that it does not, quote, comment on the existence or the non-existence
of any investigation.
Now Andrew did have a police record, but it wasn't for sex trafficking.
So yeah, he could have just been an easy patty.
He has low intelligence as his mom said, I'm not saying it.
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His mom said it.
He's probably very trust in and it was probably easy to say, hey, he did it, but it was actually
somebody else who did it.
So the charges that Andrew had against him was that in July 2020, he pled not guilty to
the charges of fourth degree assault, marijuana possession and the intent to sell marijuana.
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So that's what his charges were.
I wonder if his mom's going to say that, you know, he's too much of a sweet boy that these
aren't charges against him either.
Look, I'm I'm being jaded here because a lot of parents come out and say, oh, my child
didn't do that.
My child didn't do that.
My child didn't do that even when the evidence mounts against their child.
They still refuse to acknowledge their child did that.
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This is this is a ledger because they're not saying that this this man Andrew did it.
So I'm not saying he did it.
I'm not saying he didn't.
I'm just on defense here.
There's no evidence that points to the fact that he did, but I'm jaded when parents start
saying that yeah, my child would never have done that.
He does have a police record.
I'm not saying the police record is sex trafficking.
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It's not it's nowhere in there is bad.
I think it would have been better if she came on and said my son wouldn't have ever
done something like this and not blame low IQ or autism or this or that or this or that
or this or that.
But then again, maybe if it was me, I'd be saying the same thing.
I think doing like all these types of episodes have just kind of jaded me.
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So I might have said the same thing as she did.
My child couldn't possibly have done that because XYZ XYZ XYZ.
So what I'm doing is I'm processing here as I'm on their mic.
So you're hearing all my thoughts go up and down and up and down and up and down.
There is no definitive evidence saying that he did this and there is no definitive evidence
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saying that he didn't do this.
So that's what I'm going to say.
However, there is definitive evidence saying that John did murder him, but John could have
totally murdered an innocent person.
We do know definitely his daughter was sex trafficked.
We don't know definitely who did it.
quote, the most common force of entry into sex trafficking is with the promises of love.
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They target a vulnerable young person and make them believe they are loved.
Young women are especially vulnerable to someone who will make them believe this is their
first big love.
This was said by Trisha McFarlane who is part of a group that supports survivors of sex
trafficking.
So that is that case.
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This midweek mini.
You heard my thoughts and all the ups and downs and left and right and twists and turns.
I completely agree with the father going to save his daughter.
I don't agree with him doing vigilante justice because he didn't even know if he got the
correct person, but I completely agree with him going to get his daughter.
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However, once again, this is why we don't take justice into our own hands because you
could have literally gotten the wrong person, which literally helped nobody.
You just murdered the wrong person and the sex trafficker could still be out there, but
you made yourself feel better.
If there was definitive evidence that this was the person who did that to his daughter,
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I could totally understand the whole thought process from the beginning to the end.
I can't say I can don't it, but I could completely understand it.
However, being that you don't know if this was the correct person, you could have totally
gotten your daughter and then once you have your daughter safe, given the information
over to the police for them to run an investigation.
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If you didn't trust the police, it could have been the FBI.
It could have been somebody in the state of authority who could have provided more of
an investigation to get this done.
So that's my thoughts of it.
What do you think about this case?
Do you think the father targeted the wrong person?
Let me know in the comments below and for the poll question, do you think that John should
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go to jail for this?
Yes or no?
Yes, on everything we talked about here, do you think that he should go to jail for this?
Yes or no?
And that is all I have for you for this midweek mini.
Let's read your comments from last week's midweek mini.
Remember this was the woman who decapitated her young son and the family dog.
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I said was Tasha haves and I don't remember if that's how you say it.
I asked was Tasha's act the result of mental insanity or for some other horrible reason?
And Juliet said I can't listen to children or animals or both and I completely understand
that because it's hard to even retell those.
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Sarah Mazza says I can't fathom how this could have been anything but an act of insanity.
Either way you shake it she needs help and is not safe around other people.
If she can do this to a defenseless child and animal, her child and dog, what else is
she capable of?
No sad that she didn't get the help she needed before the loss of the boy and the dog.
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And the poll 100% of y'all said it was due to mental illness.
And I will continue catching up with your comments from past episodes but that is all I have
for you for this midweek mini.
Let me know what you think about this case and I'll also get the poll question out.
This case was crazy.
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I just don't know which way to go if it.
And y'all heard that throughout the entire case.
But that's all I have for you.
Let me know your thoughts in the comments below.
Go ahead and answer the poll.
You can actually also answer it in the Whatsapp group murderandlove.com/Whatsapp.
And I will see you in the next episode.
Bye.
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