Mommy Dearest Killed Her 9 Babies - The Case of Marybeth Tinning - #58

In the shadows of family life lurks a darkness that defies comprehension—the murder of innocent children by the very hands that rocked their cradles. In this episode of Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide, Ky and Char confront the unthinkable as they unravel the case of Mary Beth Tinning, a mother whose twisted path led her from the maternity ward to the cold bars of a prison cell.

Join us as we delve into a tale of nine lives cut tragically short, a community shattered, and a woman's descent into infamy. Was it a string of unspeakable tragedies or a series of cold-blooded murders?

As we sift through the evidence and testimonies, we grapple with the question: How could a mother's embrace turn deadly?

As MaryBeth's story unfolds, we're forced to examine the blurred lines between victimhood and villainy. From the first cries of her children to the silence that followed, this episode exposes the grim reality behind a facade of maternal love.

Tune in and bear witness to a narrative that challenges the very notion of a mother's instinct. It's a journey into the heart of darkness, right here on Love and Murder: Heartbreak to Homicide.



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Episode Transcript

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Most mothers are born with a distinct maternal instinct and could never imagine cause and pain on their offspring.

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Even spankins are hard for some parents who darely cherish their children.
But what happens when a mother's instinct is to cause pain, manipulation, lies, and even heartless unnatural desires to murder.
The cries of a child should never end in silence.
Stay with us. It's mommy derest, the case of MaryBeth Tinning right now on Love and Murder.

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Good evening everyone. Welcome to a new episode of Love and Murder, the Weekly True Crime Podcast Discuss and Relationships Gone Terribly Wrong.
And when I say terribly wrong, how wrong do I mean?

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She means dead.
You just done. That's it. Yeah, you just check out dead wrong.
Nothing ED, so so dead you believe out the A. I still don't know what that means. But anyways, I am your host.
None of us know. I am your host Kai and I'm joined by my cohost, which thanks to Stacy, we now have a list of adjectives.

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So let's go. I'm joined by my cohost, the Alluring, the Accountable, the Adaptable.
That I definitely would say is me adaptable. Yes.
That's hilarious. Anyway, we're joined by Shar.
Hi guys. Look, I mean, in it, you can help with these adjectives to describe the wonderful me every week.

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So if you have any other ideas, Stacy, let's talk about Stacy, one of our Patreon subscribers.
We do, do, do love you. We thank you for being a subscriber and for being a low listener.
So how does she describe me Kai and adjectives? She says Shar is what? Active or something?
Well, she didn't describe you. That was just one of the adjectives on here is active.

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So that's what we said last week was active and you were wondering what kind of active you were.
So Stacy actually answered that. She said, quote, active in any way you want Shar. She probably didn't use that tone,
but that's what I heard in my head. Active in any way you want Shar.
I am thinking, bomb chick, wow, wow, like Kyle says.
It's kind of we're talking about this briefly. And honestly, I think it might mean sexual because most of our, our fans that are Patreon listeners, they know my personality, they know my wildlife.

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But honestly, Stacy, I wish it was in this actually active way that you were thinking of I wish she probably was.
She wasn't even thinking that it came up in the, in the list. I read it off a paper that she sent.
And it said one of the words was active. It didn't come from her. It just was there.
Oh, so now you're the one I'm coming after. I didn't write this paper. I didn't write these adjectives. It's just here. I'm just going down the list. That's it.

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Got it. So, okay. Anyways, our show discusses true crime cases told in the form of a story with mystery suspense and just a little bit of humor sprinkled on top.
But what's Shar? Never at the expense of the victims. Guys, please know that.
The world's dumbest criminals. Exactly. Exactly. And just a little insight into us. We kind of use, well, I know me.

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I'm not going to talk for sure. But I kind of use humor to get away from trauma. So this is why I do that.
People are always like, why did you laugh in an episode with children? But my question is, did I laugh that the child was being strangled?
Or did I laugh that the police officer did something stupid or like the investigator did something like which one did I laugh on?

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So I can't laugh in an entire episode because it's of kids. Like, I can understand you like telling me, why did you laugh at the child?
I think we need to be somber, insurious and eventually very boring just to be safe.
That's not our idea. That's not our episode. That's not us. That's why you guys love this episode.
Like I said, I could see if we were laughing at the harm that the child had or something like that.

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I could see that, but laughing because the police officer said, oh, yeah, this is natural causes when clearly is like a knife sticking out of it.
And that's like, that's completely different. But anyways, I digress. That's just what I say.
I usually laugh. That helps me cope with trauma and helps me not like live in these cases that I have to investigate.

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Well, I have to research and read every single week. And it's basically every single day of the week.
So every, can you imagine reading these things over and over and over and over and over and over?
No, I wouldn't be able to deal anyways. Yeah, that's a good point. You haven't gone crazy yet.
Yes. That's anyone else could because they would be able to handle all of that.

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Everybody deals with stuff differently. This is how I deal with it.
But these murders are so intense though. I mean, they're not just a murder. It's the way that it is.
It's a lot of stuff. It's like quality. There's a whole lot of this involved all of that.
So this is how I deal with it. And you know, if you don't like it, if you don't like people laughing in an episode that had children or death or whatever, then that's fine.

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Tonight, we're talking about the case of Mary Beth Tinnan.
So I don't know if anybody's heard of her. I kind of think I remember her from back in the day, but not really.
But it was a very interesting case. This actually kind of goes hand in hand with our serial killer corner in our exclusive Patreon group.
But I didn't do it on purpose this way. This is actually the full episode that I had planned for this week.

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That's the coincidence.
But we do have a summer sale going on in our Patreon. So this is kind of just going to be like you can see what's going on in our Patreon.
We do serial killer corner and something like this would have been in our Patreon.
However, before I get into that, I'm going to give you my weekly reminder to listen to our last episode, which was actually a look into our Patreon group.

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This one was serial killer corner, kind of like this one.
And it was the case of Donald Henry Gaskins, this episode number 57.
In this case, oh my god, we went into the mind of a twisty serial killer.
Oh my god, I don't remember the name of that movie with Jennifer Lopez back in the day where she was in the mind of a serial killer.

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No, she didn't play in the animal.
No, ham, the serial killer. Am I getting it?
No, yes, you're getting it mixed.
I know what you're talking about though. I could see the movie in my head.
In this movie, they had some kind of machine where they can go into people's minds and she went into the mind of a serial killer.
I think she was trying to find out where his last victim was.

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I watched this for like 10 years ago or something.
I don't know that movie card.
When you just get this in our Facebook group and I'll post this in our Patreon so you can know which movie I'm talking about.
And sure you'll be able to see it.
I can't remember the name of it.
But this was kind of like that going into his mind.
It was insane. His cases were insane. He was insane.

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Mary Beth Row was born on September 11, 1942 in Duane's Burg, New York, two Alton, Louis, Row and Ruth Row.
Her parents actually had two kids, which was her and she had a younger brother.
Now growing up, her parents were always away.

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Her mother spent most of her days working while her father was overseas fighting in World War II.
Because of this, Mary Beth grew up, you know, being going between relatives house.
So she would go to her aunt's house, her grandmother's house, her uncles house, stuff like that.
Because nobody was really home to watch them.
However, in going between all these relatives house, one of her older relatives ended up telling her that she was just an accident

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and she was an unwanted child and her parents really didn't want her.
So she actually kept this in her head, which I don't understand why she did that.
Why didn't she just go and tell her parents what this relative said so they could say, "No child, we love you.
We wanted you."
But instead she kept that in her head and she grew up with this in her mind thinking that, you know, her parents didn't want her.

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And then when her little brother was born and became a teenager, she ended up going to him and telling him that, "Yeah, you know, mom and dad really wanted you, but they didn't want me."
Also because of this mindset, she tried to kill herself several times when she was little, but, you know, she obviously never succeeded.
Again, that's my question.

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Instead of holding on to this, which some relative, it wasn't even, I could understand if it was your mom or your dad who told you this,
but as some person told you this, instead of holding on to it, why didn't she talk to your parents about it?
You know what I'm saying?
That just seems weird to me.
But anyways, obviously she never succeeded in killing herself, but she tried multiple times based on what this relative said.

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Now in high school, she was just like an average student, nothing out of the ordinary report reportedly happened to her.
She wasn't mean, you know, nobody really talked bad about her.
She was there. They didn't talk good or bad about her. She was just there.
You know how some people are just there in high school? You're not the popular ones. You're not the not popular ones.
You're just there. That's how she was in high school.

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She ended up graduated in 1961 and wanted to go to college.
But instead of being able to go to college, she ended up starting to work in just various low-paying jobs here and there, you know.
Just sometimes that just happens to people. I mean, that's just life.
You know, you want to do something, but life doesn't always work out how you want, which is fine.
That's very true.

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Exactly.
Eventually, she ended up settling into working as a nursing assistant at Ellis Hospital in I don't know how to say this town New York.
Whoever lives in New York, I know how to say this town. You got to help me.
No, send, send cadat. He sent cad.
S-C-H-E-N-E-C-T-A-D-Y. There.

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S-S-S-N-E-C-T-Y? Is that S-N-E-C-T-Y? I think it's S-N-E-C-T-Y. Okay.
It sounds like I've stayed in New York. Yeah. I believe.
I've never heard of this place. Well, you know, I lived out in New York City.
Oh, yeah. I believe I believe, I believe, I believe there's, I believe don't quote me, but I believe it is S-N-E-C-T-Y.
If it is, tell her she's right. If it's not, let us know how to pronounce this.

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Please. I've only been to New York once. I went to the city. I drove in a taxi cab, thought I was going to die, never been back.
Okay, you know you can't bring up stories like this and they don't tell us the backdrop really quickly.
Why did you think you were going to die? Because the, the driving up there, this guy, this taxi cab driver was just dropping by.
Oh my god. He's going to hit that person. Oh my god. He's the taxi driver.

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Yeah. The taxi's are definitely just, I mean, they're so scary.
It was, it was always in her to find, but I'm going to go back with my daughter this time before, when I went up there before I was young, she wasn't born.
I'm going to go back with my daughter this time, but this time I'm going to take the train and walk.
That's what I'm doing. I'm just going to walk.
That's what a lot of, a lot of New Yorkers do. I love walking.

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Yeah. So that's what I'm going to do.
You don't want to miss a lot that they offer so much to do and see.
Yeah.
Not a bad idea.
Yeah. I just figured I want to actually go on my terms without going and being traumatized.
So, exactly.
I'm just taking a train and walk. And then I'll let you know maybe I'll take a vlog of this and put it in our Patreon.
So in 1963, Mary, Mary Beth went on a blind date with her friends and that's where she met Joseph Tinning.

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I couldn't find anything about Joe's background on Good Lord. Did I look?
But I could not find when he was born or anything.
However, the good thing is sometimes if you can't find something, that means it's good.
So he didn't have a criminal record, nothing bad about him.
So there's that.
He actually worked at General Electric and he was described as a quiet man and seemed like to take life easy.

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Because of his personality, him and Mary Beth ended up getting along really well and they decided to take the next step.
So in the spring of 1965, so that was only like what two years after meeting, Joe and Mary Beth got married.
Now in May of 1967, two years, again, they do everything in twos, two years after they got married, they had their first child, a girl named Barbara.

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And that's, you know, that's amazing. You have a first child and then three years after that in January 1970, they had another child, a boy named Joseph Jr.
So now they have the good life. They got married after going on a blind date. Like that's an amazing story to tell your kids. They have the American home that you want to have a boy.

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They have a girl. They have just a happy family.
Then in October of 1971, something unexpected happened.
Mary Beth's father died of a heart attack.
I mean, I wonder how she felt about that is nothing saying that she felt good or bad. Obviously she must have felt bad, but her and her parents weren't really close.

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So I don't know how that affected her.
Right.
On December 26, 1971, so the same year her father died, their third child, a girl named Jennifer, was born.
Jennifer, however, had acute meningitis and multiple brain abscesses, all of this developed in utero.

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Now meningitis on its own causes inflammation of the protective membrane surrounding the brain and the spinal cord.
Acute meningitis is usually caused by a bacterial or viral infection. If caught in time acute bacterial meningitis can be cured with the appropriate antibiotic therapy.
However, the lay in treatment can lead to death.

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Jennifer, unfortunately, never left the hospital and died on January 3rd, 1972, which was only a week after she was born.
Oh, that's definitely this is how I, that's rough. That's rough.
Two weeks later on January 19th, 1972, two-year-old Joseph Jr. was rushed to the ER.

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Mary Beth told nurses that he'd had a seizure and choked on his own vomit, but when doctors looked him over, they found nothing wrong with him.
But, you know, just to be on the safe side, they kept it in the hospital for observation for a couple days and then, you know, nothing happened.
He didn't have a seizure, they still couldn't find anything wrong with him or whatever, so they released him.

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And a few hours later, after he was released on January 20th, Mary Beth ended up bringing him back to the ER and he was actually declared DOA, which is dead on our right.
What? Yeah, just what?
I don't know where, exactly. Oh, what is going on? This is definitely a mystery and it's very, very sad.

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I don't understand the-- I'm sure there's an explanation, but two children.
That's two children. The first one didn't even leave the hospital. She had meningitis and the second one is just having seizures and, you know, just died after.
Well, maybe it's just a coincidence though. You know, you don't, it isn't sound like this foul play. I think it's just a really strange coincidence.
Yeah, I mean, it doesn't sound like foul play at all.

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So his death was attributed to cardio pulmonary arrests, so basically on heart attack.
A heart attack? Which, to me, that part is weird because a two-year-old had a heart attack?
Yeah, he had a child. I didn't know that two-year-olds can get heart attacks or get a heart attack.
I didn't know that they have one.
But then again, I mean, his other child had bacterial meningitis, so maybe it's something within her body that she passed on to her children.

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And it just took about one. That was my next comment. You're absolutely, I'm thinking. I'm thinking about that.
Yeah, because the first two were okay. Then when she had the third one, she had meningitis, which means there's something in the air, maybe, maybe some bacteria, maybe something in the house.
Because right after that, then the two-year-old, who was healthy this whole time, gets rushed into the hospital and is choking and everything in the hospital, he's fine.

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He's not fine. So putting those two together, maybe it's something in the house, maybe it's something she ate, maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe.

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So then he died of a heart attack, a two-year-old died of a heart attack. Then on March 1st, 1972, Barbara, who's four by this time, was rushed to the ER because she was having convulsions as well, which is what the two-year-old had.
Then the next day, she died after being unconscious for several hours. The hospital ruled her death as a cause of race syndrome.

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Now if you don't know what race syndrome is, is where a child's blood sugar drops drastically, but the ammonia and acidity levels in their bloods raises like it spikes.
So this causes the liver to swell and then the swelling might also occur in the brain and being that if it occurs in the brain, then they get seizures and then they lose consciousness and then they die.

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So they labeled this as race syndrome. So now all her children are dead.
Now my daughter asked me an interesting question.
Oh no, this is a little, okay go ahead, let's see if she asked you.
The question she asked is, "If your child died, would you have another one?"
And I...

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That's a very good question.
Yes, thank you.
I know some people do. Nobody's judging you if you had another job. Obviously, you know that's what you do.
I told her I could only answer for myself because I just wanted one child anyway. And if my one child died, I don't know if I could do this again.

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Like my one child is gone. I don't know if I could do this.
But then you would still have your one child if you did it over and you would...
No, I'm not trying to replace the other one.
Exactly, I'm not trying to replace my child.
I would have had... I would have still had my one child. I don't think I would do this again.
Especially if my experience is I lost my child.

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Because I think if I had another one, I would be... I wouldn't even sleep. I would be watching this child constantly make sure they're still breathing.
You have an anxiety.
Yes, I would be sensitive.
How can you enjoy the child?
I don't think I could do it again, but that's me, not everybody's like that.

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And again, I'm speaking from a place where it hasn't happened to me.
So who knows what I would actually do if it did happen to me.
But that's a question because I was researching this and she was...
She's there when I'm researching stuff.
And so she asked that question. And other than my answer, I didn't know how else to answer.
What about you?
If you only have one child just like me, if you lost your child, would you have had another one you think?

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Yes.
Okay.
Okay.
It was it would have been not to replace your kid but to still have that one child.
To still have that one child in another chance to watch a child grow that I've loved and raised.
It's not ever going to replace that other child, but imagine how much joy a child brings, period.
Yeah.

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So I would want that feeling of joy again, accomplishment.
And by would be extra careful though with that new child, the second child, I would just be so extra not overprotective words annoying the child, but very concerned, very caring because I'm thinking, let's see how...
You know, let me hopefully raise this child all the way.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I think I would be overprotective to the point of annoying the child.
I think that would be me and your husband and everybody.

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Yeah.
Exactly.
So then on... so right now all her children have died unfortunately and then on November 22nd, 1973, they had a fourth child.
And this one was a son that they named Timothy.
Then on December 10th, 1973, so this was only three weeks after Timothy was born, she rushed him to the ER and when he got to the ER, it was once again DOA.

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Mary Beth told the doctors that she had found him lifeless in his crib.
I know, right?
And they attributed his death to SIDS, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome because they couldn't actually find anything medically wrong with him.
So SIDS, for people who don't know, is a Sudden unexplained death of a child that still can't be explained even after a thorough autopsy is done.

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And this only happens to children according to the article that I read. This only happens to children under the age of one.
So by now, how many children have died for?
Well, counting that one guess.
So would you try and have another child after this? Four of your children died? No, no.
No, no.
Not one either.
Well, how about looking into it further as a parent?

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Well, you know, this was some time ago, like maybe we didn't have certain technology at this point because everything evolves as the years go by, we find...
We were able to find, you know, breakthrough technology or even medications and things like that.
But you know what, Kai? One of my cousins had three children, three boys, and she didn't understand why they never died, but they would be extremely...

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We said where I'm looking for...
Sick?
Can I say...
Pardon my French.
There's a real word. That's not rude, is it?
It is. Now I think this is not the correct.
Okay, so you would say mentally challenged?
Well, literally, they could not do anything for themselves. In fact, the oldest one is about 38 now, but he's been in a hall with the state.
Because that was her first.
Yeah, because he can't do anything for himself.

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As she noticed, they told her a year later, the reason why all three for boys, you know, came out, deformed, or the brains were challenged and not ever really developed, was because she cannot have a baby successfully by her husband because of a chromosome.
Oh, wow.
So, she went on to have two other children, and they're absolutely perfect. They're just beautiful children.

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You know, one of them is like the oldest, I think, is swimming swimming.
So, what after they found that about what the first two you said?
Yeah, the first two she said, and they treated it.
Maybe she was able to have three others.
No, no, no. So, she had... No, no. So, she had the three children, all boys, so that the whole chromosome issue was that you cannot have a male by this person.
Something with that guy. It wasn't her. It was their dad. You cannot have a male child.

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Well, that same dad has a male child. I saw it on Facebook. That child is like six years old, so maybe seven.
And there's nothing wrong with him.
Yeah, but it's probably...
So, I don't know.
The two of them mixed together. He had another child with someone else.
Oh, yeah. That was probably the two of them mixed together couldn't have a male child, which is what I'm gonna research that because I've never heard of that.

(27:21):
That's crazy. It's just, I'm so bad because imagine she was so young in these all three of the children couldn't do anything for themselves.
And I thought, oh my god, I've never heard of that.
So, you have to... She had to put all of them into a home one at a time. I don't even know she even checks on them at this point.
I would know. They would know the children.
They wouldn't know... They wouldn't even know who she is.
But that's not matter. That's still your children. You put them alone.

(27:44):
Well, I mean, I guess I probably would be more concerned, but she kind of pushes that side of her life out to this...
Like, it never happens. Wow. To me, that's...
We kind of know. Maybe I shouldn't...
I shouldn't have touched somebody, but I would never. I could never.
Yeah. I feel like you would have more compassion, but imagine if your child doesn't know the difference one way or another.
It doesn't matter. It's still my child. That's like my child being in a coma. It doesn't know if from there or not.

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I'm still gonna visit them.
Well, you know what? So, she did have another boy by a different man and the day she married... Oh, no, no.
She had two other boys by a different man and they're fine and then a girl by a different person, but she's absolutely beautiful.
She's the one that sways seven. When I say beautiful, I mean, everything, all the limbs, everything's working, all the fingers and toes are there.
And turned off to be an amazing person.

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Well, just because you're mentally challenged doesn't make you less beautiful.
Your brain doesn't work the same as everyone else's, so...
But I wouldn't just dismiss my child and just be like, well, starting over.
That's... Here we go again. Yeah, that's... I... I... I don't know. I don't know how I feel about people doing that.
I don't like that.
Anyways, in 1974, her husband was rushed to the hospital where he almost died of barbiturate poison in him.

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For those who don't know, according to Medline Plus, barbituates are drugs that are depressants to the central nervous system.
Basically, they cause sleepiness and relaxation.
Now, when you get a low dose of this kind of drug, it makes the person seem intoxicated, so it looks like they're drunk or high or something like that.
Most overdoses usually involve mix-and-alcohol with barbituates or barbituates with opiates.

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And those kind of overdoses tend to cause colmas or death.
So, this is what happened to her husband.
However, later on, he found out that Mary Beth had gotten these barbiturate pills from a friend of hers whose daughter had epilepsy.
And then she started using these pills to put in his grape juice.
So basically, she was poison in him.

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Now, funnily enough, though, and I say funny, even though this is anything but funny, Joseph decided not to press any charges.
And it was just like, "Okay, honey, you tried to kill me? I understand?"
Like, I don't even know what to say here.
Like, what the... I don't know, because if my husband was putting stuff in my grape juice, trying to kill me, pretty sure if I said, "Okay, we're going home together."

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It's only because I'm trying to kill him back.
I'm just not gonna let it go.
Exactly, like, wait a minute. Are you really trying to take me off this herb?
So, Kair, when I was... I think I was... Oh gosh, I want to say I was 24, 25.
Anyway, so, what was it that happened?
That really, really sick, because I had a miscarriage, you know? So, it just caused me to be really sick, but I noticed...

(30:32):
It's sick as I was, and I was always like, delirious, you know, because I'm under all these meds.
I swear my husband was purposely trying to kill me, because he would purposely give me larger doses.
And I literally brought it to his attention. Can you believe that?
Like, later, I said, "You think I don't know you were trying to kill me? I know how much I'm supposed to take a deeper, 10-15 patients."
I told him, "I told him he was, though, that you were in such bad pain that he was trying to help you out.

(30:57):
Maybe he felt really bad for you." Good Lord, poor guy.
Just try to help him.
Yeah, just try to help his wife, and you're like, "You're trying to kill me? You're trying to kill me?"
Good Lord.
Anyway, so, he said, "Peshaw" to her trying to kill him, and they continued their marriages normal.
So normal, in fact, that in March of 1975, they had their fifth child. I am not having a child with somebody who tried to poison me. I'm sorry.

(31:25):
No.
So they had their fifth child, and this one was a boy they named Nathan.
By fall, which was at this time September 2nd, he died while he was in the car with Mary Beth.
So she ended up telling doctors that while she was driving with him, and he was in his car seat, and he was in the front seat,
because you know back then you could do that.

(31:47):
Yeah, I remember that.
She noticed that he stopped breathing, and so somehow he just died when he was driving with her.
So somehow, just bafflingly somehow, after all of this, in August of 1978, Mary Beth and Joe were able to adopt a newborn baby who they named Michael.

(32:10):
I don't understand how, when she tried to kill her husband.
I mean, what is it? What is it? Five children are dead by now.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, but anyways, whatever. She was able to adopt a newborn, and they named him Michael, and then on October 29th, so August, they adopted Michael.

(32:33):
But then I guess during the adoption, they found out they were pregnant, so like right after that October 29th of the same year, they had their six child.
So they adopted and had a child at the same time, so they have infants. They have two infants.
Do you think that maybe this kind of common maybe it can happen?
I mean, it has happened. People think they can't have children, so they go and adopt and run.

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And then as they adopted, they found out, oh, I'm pregnant. Yeah, it happens. Oh, wow. Now some people, which I label as butt plugs, have actually taken the child back saying, you know, I don't want him anymore.
We have our own.
Oh, yeah.
I'm like, oh, my.
Drop them back off on the step.
And especially if it's an older child, way to cause them psychological damage. Good Lord.

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Anyways, so they just adopted Michael and October 29th, they had their six child, which was a girl that they named Mary Francis.
Now in January of 1979, so that's literally a couple months later, Mary Beth rushed Mary Francis to the ER.
She told the nurse, the nurses that the baby was having a seizure. The baby came in, like came into the hospital unconscious, but the staff was able to revive her.

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So they basically saved her. So in their records, they actually listed this as an aborted SIDS case, meaning that they stopped it from being SIDS.
So they're like, oh, my God, we saved the baby from SIDS, you know, um, then so that was January, the next month, February, Mary Beth was a, uh, Mary Beth rushed Mary Francis back to the hospital.

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And this newborn. So what is she? October, October, November, December, January, February. So four months.
So this newborn literally is in full cardiac arrest.
So having, oh, this is exactly having a heart attack at four months. The staff was, well, we can get over the first baby heart attack.

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And so there's another one. This time, the staff was able to revive her, but by the time they were able to revive her, she had irreversible brain damage.
And they put her on life support. However, the life support only lasted two days when they unplugged it and she died.
So she died at four months, also basically due to a heart attack.

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In November, 1979, they had their eighth child. So this is a boy named, so this is actually their seventh child by, you know, that's their child.
But naturally, when ACE, when you include the adopted Michael. So I'm saying eighth child by March of 1980. So he was born November, 1979 by March, 1980, Mary Beth.

(35:20):
You guessed it, rushed him to the hospital and he was unconscious in his arms. I'm not laughing at that situation.
I mean, I know your lesson has the craziness of this. Look, by the third child, I'm doing blood tests and everything on these people and watching in these people of having more children.
I'm going to try and find out why these children are dying. And also just in case it is bacterial in your house or something you're eating or something you're drinking or whatever, you're not adopting a child. I'm sorry. It's not happening. But no.

(35:55):
Exactly. I still don't know how that happened. They're up to their natural seventh child and one adopted child. And this child is being rushed into the ER unconscious. And they're all babies. They don't even get past.
I think they never even get to one. This one was what three going on for something like that. Oh, that's right. Yeah. The time of the skill. This again.
So anyway, he was rushed into the hospital unconscious and then the staff were able to revive him. But this time due to the family history.

(36:23):
So it only took them to get to their seventh frickin child for them to think, oh, wait, maybe you should check on this due to the family history by this time.
The staff thought it was like a genetic issue. They didn't even think it was bacterial or anything going on in the house. They thought it was genetics.
So they sent him. They sent Jonathan to the Boston hospital for a thorough examination. They were like, look, leave no stone on turn. Check everything down to his DNA and his cells and the microchondria.

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Look at everything. Take his hair. Look at it under the microphone. Clip his toenails. Look at that. Look under his toenails. Check his tongue telling you. Check the blue in his eyes. Look at everything.
They were like, look at everything when he poops. Check that when he poops again. Check that one. And then when he poops the third time, check that one.
Check his pee. Check everything. They were like, we are going to do a thorough examination. They even did examinations that we ain't never even heard of. They examined everything.

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But doctors found no valid medical reason why Jonathan had stopped breathing. So rationally, they discharged him and sent him back home.
I just don't understand it.
But I'm there for specialists.
Once again, this is back in the day. It's fair to say that technology wasn't anything that it is now. I don't think this would have happened in today's time.

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Because there's so many ways to tell something. How can you not narrow this down to? Just something.
Why would they not even suspecting them all anyway?
My thing is your okay, this could happen even now. This is just people not doing their due diligence because what should have happened is instead of sending him home, you could have after all of this, you could have called social services. Maybe check the home.

(38:25):
Yeah.
I'm not saying, hey, check this person. I think she's killing our kids, but check the home. Check what they're eating. Check on these kids. We did an examination of everything.
We examined the poor boys. What do you call it? What do you call it? Fingerprints. We examined his toes. We examined between his toes. We examined everything. We see nothing wrong with him.

(38:48):
We cannot understand why he came in unconscious.
They should have put a camera monitor in the home. They probably watched him the whole time he was there. He was just a healthy, giggly, happy baby.
Like I said, send him home. If you didn't guess this by now, then I should smack you because why are you listening to our podcast? Because you should have guessed this.

(39:12):
She rushed him back to the hospital a few days later.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you know, I kind of losing count over here. I told you I wasn't that great in mad in school. And this woman has got me all jumbled up at these numbers.
What is woman is? I don't even want to say this woman. This whole thing is just baffling because even by this time as a woman, I'm not having any more children because I'm just scared that I'm killing my children.

(39:37):
Like I'm not having anymore.
Yeah, obviously there's something wrong with me. But are we up to eight? Are we up to eight? You know, this is a Dutch.
She has eight kids, but the kids that died, this is seven. The adopted boy is still okay. So that would make it eight.
Okay. So yeah, they did always test. Nothing happened to him though. Nothing was wrong with this baby the whole time they kept him.

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But when she went home with Mary Beth, she rushed him back to the hospital a few days later where he was declared brain dead and he died on March 24th, 1980.
So by this time now, I'm looking at her out of the side of my eye. Like as a nurse, I'm really looking at her like, yeah, I'm no longer personally me.

(40:22):
Even if it got to child number seven, I'm not thinking genetics by then because I'm like, dude, we had him and he was fine. And now I'm looking at you like, hmm.
So anyways, you asked about Michael, you asked and I will answer. On March 2nd, 1981, Mary Beth took Michael to the pediatrician, wrapped in a blanket and what chart and what?

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And I'm going to the blanket and with a bottle, I don't know. I mean, okay, so my thing is that she really go to the pediatrician or was she supposed to go to the ER?
Is that something that's in the pediatrician with Michael wrapped in a blanket and he was unconscious. I thought so that's one of saying why are we going to the pediatrician?

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I don't know. I guess she got tired of going to the hospital. I don't know. I don't know. She got tired of going to the ER.
Maybe she thought she would get a different, she would get a different outcome. She went to the pediatrician. I don't know. But if something life threat and then like that happens, the pediatrician is going to call the ER.
Exactly. That's all they're going to do. They're not going to see the child.
Yeah, especially if they're in an location where it's not attached to a hospital, like they only have a limited amount of stuff they could do.

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Anyway, so she told the pediatrician that she couldn't wake him up and didn't know it was wrong with him by the time that the doctor looked at Michael and I'm not saying that he took his time.
I'm saying that this is what happened. So basically by the time he was in the doctor's office, so by the time the doctor looked at Michael, he was dead, which means he basically came in dead because the doctor didn't have her waiting.

(41:58):
He was like, oh, well, let me know it's wrong with Michael. You know, I was saying no. The problem with this though was that Michael was adopted. So their theory of genetic, some genetic killing this border in the community.
Exactly. family was no longer an excuse.
So now, like see me personally, I started looking at her crazy earlier, but now like by child number two, that's the reason child number two added maybe for her.

(42:25):
But by child number three, I'd have been like, really? Definitely by child number seven, where he stayed and he was fine. And then suddenly you, you went home with him and now he's dead, like definitely by then.
So I guess it took the adopted one to die for them to stop looking at her sympathetically and to start looking at her suspiciously. Apparently you don't hang around Kaya enough because I would have told you that long time ago.

(42:47):
Exactly.
But you would think that would be it. No, you would be wrong. On August 22nd, 1985, they had their ninth child.
So she's fertile mortal. Okay.
So what the hell is wrong with her husband? Like, are you insane? Anyways, because I've been, I've been looking at it like an eagle.

(43:09):
I've been looking at this. It's not even that I've been looking at this girl. Like why are all my children dying? And even the one that wasn't even birth by us.
Why are all my children dying? I'm not having another child is that bright. Not everyone is that bright. So we don't know their actual personalities. That tells me that the two of them are just not that bright.
Because usually it's going to be one spouse or the other that has a lot more sense and they're like, you know what I'm questioning this.

(43:33):
But both of them are just acting so dumbfounded at this point. So well, it doesn't make sense at all.
This ninth child was a girl named Tammy Lynn. So she was born August 22nd, 1985. And on December 19th, 1985, Mary Beth had gone shopping with her neighbor named Cynthia Walter, who was actually a practical nurse.

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After they get back, so they went to their, how, their different homes, which you know, their neighbors so they don't live far from each other.
Cynthia is putting away the stuff that she got like the cute shirt or whatever and those shoes. They were so cute. She had a good day shopping or whatever.
And she's putting them in and then she gets a phone call and she's like, hello. And on the phone is Mary Beth like, oh my god, please come over.

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My child's not breathing. Can you help me? Oh, I don't. So Cynthia rushes over and again, again, remember she's a nurse. So she rushes over. I can help. I can give CPR. I'm, I'm here.
But when she gets there, she found that Tammy Lynn was lying in her cot with blood staining her pillow. She wasn't moving. She wasn't breathing at a pulse couldn't be found.

(44:43):
So then they rushed her to the ER, but she was declared DOA. Oh, what are we? Okay, these stories are real. I do know that because they have forensic reports and everything, right? So we know that.
And look, the story wasn't real. I would literally say this story was written by Kai. My books are available on Amazon. Go make me a million.

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And if you're like, if these stories were real, this is totally real. Yes. So on December 20th, 1985, so the baby died December 19th, December 20th, the ninth, the next day, only after nine of her children had died, bed semantics of this.
How did you say the county city again?
So of this connected county's department of social services, this is how long it took for social services to come out and Bob infeld of the SPD visited the home.

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And they had questions about Tammy Lynn's death and only took nine children for them to have questions about a child's death.
So both Mary Beth and Joe were taken to the police department for questioning while being interrogated Mary Beth confessed that she murdered Tammy Lynn, Timothy and Nathan.
She said that she pressed a pillow over Tammy Lynn's face because the baby quote, fussed and cried. So basically the baby was busy being a baby.

(46:08):
And then she said that with Timothy and Nathan quote, I smothered them with a pillow because I'm not a good mother really. Did you say that for us to feel sorry for you? I don't.
I think she was looking for sympathy, but to see a miss, she's not a good mother. I mean, is that a call month?
1,000 syndrome or something like that? Some crap know that one. I don't know. So what is that? They're looking for sympathy. So they the people around them, they make sick so that they can get sympathy for all.

(46:42):
I don't know how you deal with this. You've never heard of that. Yeah. No. Yeah. I know people who have acted in such a manner, but I didn't know there was a label.
Or maybe they do that so they can people could be like, Oh poor baby. I don't know how you're dealing with it. Okay. Anyways, so she was arrested and charged with the murder of Tammy Lynn.

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And that's it. 9 children. She was the charge with the murder of one. So get this. Bill was set at only $100,000.
Which of course she was like, I have that in my purse right here. Let me just pay 15% you only have paid.
I thought it was 10% not 15 is 15. No, I thought no, I've heard it was 15 maybe because of this. So she just you know, pulled out her purse, paid that 15 or 10% and she was released.

(47:37):
They were like, okay, we'll see you later. All right, Mary Beth. Bring us some cupcakes when you come back. Are you freaking kidding me?
So she was released until her trial date. Oh, I got anyway. This is a total stop making love to your husband. Why are you? I want to let her.
Don't let them touch you. Well, okay guys, you won't believe what happened. I think Mary Beth tried to make my PC, my desktop, her 10th victim, because it just stopped working like in the middle of us recording.

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I was so strange. We're erase right now. We're going to continue where we left off from, but I really, really hope that we have the beginning of this episode.
But this is going to explain the difference in sound quality because right now I went from my PC to my laptop and we're continuing to record on my laptop.
So if it does sound really much different, I very much apologize because it was something that just happened that was inevitable. So anyway, where we left off was if I remember correctly, sharp, she made bail.

(48:40):
She recanted her confession. She said her confession was made under duress and that the police had threatened her. And she said that she'd asked the police for a lawyer multiple times.
And they were like, yeah, we're not going to give you one. So they denied it. This was her what she said. So then during the investigation, lead forensic pathologist and member of the New York States police special forensic unit confirmed that Tamiline's death was caused by smothering.

(49:12):
I mean, if she has blood on her pillow, I mean, I don't really, I mean, I guess I could also say I don't really think you needed to do a bunch of investigation, but I guess whatever.
So anyway, they found out that her death was caused by smothering. And then after this investigator started looking at the death of her other seven children, you know, because it's you smothered this child. So what did you do to the other?

(49:40):
Yeah, the only one. And this is why I was going back one earlier in the episode. The only one that they believe was an actual death and not a murder was Jennifer, which was the third child who died of acute meningitis.
So if you remember, this was the first child to die. She had two healthy toddlers, then this child died and suddenly her other children started dying. Remember, so they're thinking that this Jennifer was the only one who actually died of a natural death and not because of murder. So on June 22nd, 1987.

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And you can say the name of the town. Say it.
Schenectady. Schenectady. It's a waste of funding of this upstate New York.
Yeah, I mean, you're the one who's going to say the name. I can't say that. Schenectady. Every time I look at it, I can't see it.
I sent it to you.
Yeah, I thought it was not like it gives you pronunciation, but I sent it to you. It just confirms where it is, but it didn't do. I mean, it's a tricky one.

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We'll just keep you keep it as you say in the name. I can't say it. So on July 22nd, 1987 in Schenectady, Schenectady.
County court, the murder trial of Mary Beth started and involved a bunch of doctors and experts since the death of the tenon children were labeled as quote strange.
Tammy Lynn's pediatrician testified on behalf of the prosecution. Dr. Bradley Ford said that he suggested to Mary Beth that she should install a device that acts like an alarm that monitors the baby, the baby's heart rate and breathing.

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So the pediatrician did suggest something to her. And this would make a lot of sense since she had already lost some of her babies in the past due to an unknown illness.
Wouldn't you want to watch the rest? You know, have an alarm if the heart rate goes down or if the breathing stopped as an alarm you rush. Oh my god, I could save him.
However, both of them disagreed to using such a device. So to me, it's just like, what? I understand why Mary, Mary Beth said no, but why did Joe say no?

(51:48):
You know what I'm saying? That's so bizarre.
So she claimed at some point that her father was mean to her abused her physically and even locked her in the closet. But then when it came time that she had to do her court testimony, she denied everything.
She didn't she said, I didn't say that. She said, I never said that about my father and she went on to say that her father never had any bad intentions towards her.

(52:13):
She told the court how, you know, she she should just get spanked by a fly swatter at times because her father had arthritis so bad that he couldn't really do anything to her.
And she said if he locked her up, it was because she deserved it. So this is what she said. So who knows what's true. Despite this despite this testimony of her saying, yeah, it was abused, but no, I wasn't abused either way.

(52:37):
The trial only lasted a month and on July 17th, 1987 by this time she's 44, she was convicted of second degree murder in Tammy Lynn's death.
Again, repeat only one of the children. So second degree murder and second degree murder. Can you imagine that?
Not even first. Not even first degree.

(52:59):
Just one of the children's death. The jury didn't like they couldn't come to an agreement that she deliberately murdered her children. So they equated her of that count.
And that's why they ended up charging her with a minor degree of homicide, citing her quote depraved indifference to human life.
So that's why they gave her second degree. Her husband just was overwhelmed and just wasn't really sure about what was happening.

(53:28):
And he actually had a conversation with a newspaper where he said that he had spoken with his wife right after she was questioned by police.
And she confessed that she killed Tammy Lynn, but he still thinks that she's innocent. So I mean, if somebody confessed that they poisoned you and you still were like, I don't think you did.
I guess she was an accident. I am pretty sure you put those medicine in there constantly accidentally.

(53:54):
And then she confessed that she killed your child and she was like, I'm pretty sure you accidentally put that pillow over her face. So I don't believe you.
So he still maintain, he still went with her innocence. And then to the newspaper, he said that, quote, sometimes he was suspicious of his wife, but he convinced he convinced himself not to be.

(54:15):
So he did have suspicions, but then he talked himself out of it. I'm pretty sure by child number five, I would stop talking myself out of suspicions.
Like, are you crazy? He says, quote, you have to trust your wife. She has her things to do. And as long as she gets them done, you don't ask questions.
What the what the best so is that has been 101? That's like a rule or some doctor.

(54:40):
I don't want to be married to anybody who thinks like that anybody. Yeah. No.
So the verdict came back guilty with Mary Beth getting 20 years to life in prison, which is actually five years shorter than the maximum penalty of the crime.
So 20, 20 years from nine children. That's pretty light.

(55:03):
Yes. So it's at 20 years to life, but whatever. And then when she got her verdict, she started crying.
We're supposed to feel story for her.
She was taken to the Bedford Hills correctional facility for women where she immediately filed an appeal saying that her confession wasn't given voluntarily.

(55:25):
And that evidence wasn't enough for her to get locked up. I was about to call her out her name. You killed nine children. Well, eight. So minus that one.
You killed eight children, infants and toddlers. Seriously? Allegedly.
She says that's not what happened. Anyways, her appeal is denied. She's a serial killer. She is totally a serial killer.

(55:47):
Her appeal was denied by the New York State Supreme Court's appellate division app, appellate appellate appellate appellate.
You know, if I don't get that word, our listeners,
I'm going to murder me. Anyway, her appeal was denied in 2007.
She became eligible for parole and here she started her campaign, her campaign of trying to get parole.

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So on February 5, 2007, she was denied parole, citing being, quote, incompatible with public safety and letter her outward, quote, diminished the seriousness of her crime.
I agree. Sit and rot.
Okay. This long to figure this out.
Nine, eight children. Yes, it took that long.

(56:32):
Quote, this decision is based on the following factors. You stand convicted of the serious offense of murder in which you caused the death of your infant daughter by smothering her with a pillow.
This was a heinous crime. You were in a position of trust and violated that trust by taking the life of an innocent child.
On January 26, 2009, she met with the parole board again.

(56:56):
This time, her only explanation for what she did was that she was, quote, going through bad times and, quote, when she committed the murder.
Are you serious?
Don't we all. I mean, huh?
This seems like it. It seems like the trust levels in the judicial system.
It diminishes each time she decides she wants to, you know, put in for her parole or maybe I guess it is you don't have to wait for parole to request early release to you.

(57:24):
I have no idea. I don't know how that works. Okay. So each time she requests this is finally it took this long for our system to say absolutely not.
You know what I mean? But does she really think even was there one part of her that says, oh, they're going to let me out.
I mean she can't try and so probably hairs hairs a quote of what they said.
So the parole commissioner asked, quote, this charged involved the murder of your four month old child who was smothered with a pillow.

(57:51):
Is that right? Mary Beth said, yes, ma'am. Did you do that? Yes, ma'am. I did.
She then asked Mary Beth, what was going through your head while your kids were dying? Mary Beth said, quote, two things that I wanted in life was to be married to someone who cared for me and to have children.
And other than that, I can't give you a reason.

(58:15):
She maintained that SIDS was the cause of death of her other children, even though some of the children didn't say SIDS, but she said to other children were SIDS.
So the parole board again gave her the finger, told her to go rot in prison and you're not getting out.
They said, quote, your remorse, well, actually they said your remorse remorse was, quote, superficial at best.

(58:37):
So she tried again, convincing at all. She was not convinced of it. Not even a little bit.
She tried again for parole in January 2011. And this time she was supported. She was actually freaking supported by people from the Georgetown University Law Center, which they should be ashamed of themselves allegedly.

(59:02):
And also she was supported from people who worked what she worked with in prison because they described her as, quote, the most loving and most generous care in person that I have ever met, end quote, which Kai added on to that, who quotes allegedly smothered her children.
Good Lord.
Of course she's going to be in your best behavior in prison if you really want to get out early.

(59:24):
Of course. It's supposed to be that way.
So all of these characters witnesses. Not only people she was hurting was her children and she tried to hurt her husband. So other than that, yeah, everybody else is safe.
Of course.
Anyways, this time when she was talking to the parole board, she said, quote, after the death of my other children, I just lost it.

(59:46):
I became damaged, worthless piece of a person. And when my daughter was young in my state of mind at that time, I just believe she was going to die also. So I just did it just helped her.
Yeah. Again, the parole board said, again, the parole board said, you see this finger here that I'm holding up this one. Yeah, shove it up your butt and get back in there.

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Or that's not what I would have said anyway. So then again, she tried in 2013 and they asked her again, why did you do this?
So she said, quote, it's just I can't remember. I mean, I know I did it, but I can't tell you why. There's no reason.
The parole board said, this was an innocent vulnerable victim who was entrusted in your care as her mother and you viciously violated that trust causing a senseless loss of this young life.

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They also said, I don't know, they said something before this because it's just like dot, dot, dot, dot, then I said, quote, discretionary release would so depreciate the severity of the crime as to undermine respect for the law.
As you place your own interests above those of the of society's use in quote. So then they said, when you look back at your actions, what insight do you have into it or yourself?

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So Mary Beth said, quote, when I look back, I see a very damaged and just a messed up person.
And I have tried to become a better person while I was in here trying to be able to stand on my own and ask for help when I need it.
Others when they need it, sometimes I try not to look in the mirror. And when I do, I just, there's no words that can express now. I feel none. I'm just just none.

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And she also pointed out that, you know, currently I work with AIDS patients in the prison and you know, I look at the cameras so ever so often so that it could see that I'm working with AIDS patients and helping other people and give the cameras a thumbs up.
And I volunteer. And if I was released, I will volunteer to help AIDS patients out there also. And you know, if you're worried about where I'm going to stay, well, my husband has stood by me this entire time.

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And he said he would be willing to house me if I come out. He does come to visit me, but that's kind of getting hard for him since we're getting older.
You understand? Again, the parole board said once again, I'm showing you this finger.
I didn't see this the last time. Yeah, my fingers kind of get entire just sitting up here. So please take a picture this time. So then in January 17th, she was, I didn't even go through the whole thing here.

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They were just like, you know what? Before you open your mouth, I just want to stop you here. The finger denied. And she, they said you continue to demonstrate no understanding or any remorse of taking your child's life.
And then you're going to say, you know, you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life.

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And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life.
And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life.

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And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life. And then you're going to have to take your child's life.
The age of 76, they finally, the fingers were all together this time and they formed a hand for them to shake her hand and they told her that she can get out by this time she had served more than 31 years of her 20 years to life sentence, which to me wasn't even enough.

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And she got parole and her husband, her good sweet naive, stupid man of a husband allegedly supported her throughout all of this while she was in jail.
All of this that she tried to kill him, all of this that she killed allegedly, all his kids and she was freaking there for her release.

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He was sitting there waiting for her to get out. There is no freaking way on this earth. And as part of her release, she supposed to remain under parole supervision for the rest of her life. That's not good enough.
It's actually not. It's not. She's not having any more babies, but the thing is she she never had any remorse or like they said, understanding of the severity of what she's done with all those people. These are people, children are human beings are people and your husband.

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Yeah.
And why should anybody trust her for five minutes on the outside? She can end up adopting again for all we know, even at almost eight years old.
Even at almost eight years old.
Yeah.
Because you see how the system failed every time. Yeah. So they let her out slap on the wrist, whatever she has a curfew. Oh God. She has a curfew.
And she has to attend domestic violence counseling. Oh, yeah, you really sticking it to her. As of November 2021, it's confirmed that both her and Joe are living a quiet life in.

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It's connected to count. It's connected to counting exactly. I mean, I said New York City, New York. And that is the case of Mary Beth Tinnan. She's out of jail and all her kids are dead.
So what did you think about this case, are I'm going to have to say was unbelievable.
Unit really.
Because right in the middle, I was questioning, are these cases real? These people really act this way and behave this way and do these terrible things. But there are people out there who do these things. And it's just so bad.

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And I don't like that justice wasn't really served, you know.
It was to the point that you were asking me, did you write this?
Yeah.
I know you're creative, but that's a lot.
Yeah.
I don't know. It's just, it's just, it's very strange to me. But to have the audacity to want to actually keep putting the parole request and when you really should have learned something is

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doing it. How many times did it was eight times? She kept doing it.
I lost count. I guess I lost count. I think it said six.
And I lost count after that. Oh, gosh, it's crazy.
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