She Killed Her Children — But Was it Mental Health Illness or Murder? | The Lindsay Clancy Case

“She killed the kids!”

That’s what 911 dispatch heard when Patrick Clancy got home and found the unimaginable.

His wife, Lindsay Clancy, was on the lawn. His children were in the basement. And what happened inside their Massachusetts home that evening has sparked national outrage, heartbreak—and an ongoing courtroom fight over mental illness, medication, and justice.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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When he came back, the house was quiet, too quiet,
and what he found inside would change everything. Today. I
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and Murder. In the meantime, though, grab your butts, grab
your glass of apple juice, and let's get into this
case of love and murder. Just after six pm on Tuesday,
January twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, Patrick Clancy returned to
the family's quiet home in Duxbury, Massachusetts. He had left
earlier that evening at his wife's request to pick up

(01:52):
medication for their daughter and grab dinner, but when he
came home, the house was unusually quiet. You know, he
has little kids, and there's usually noise running around, Peter
Patter's little feet, yelling, you know, go to bed, it's
time to take a shower, stuff like that, But this
time he heard none of those. Lindsey Clancy, a thirty
two year old labor and delivery nurse, and their three children,

(02:13):
five year old Cora, three year old Dawson, and eight
month old Callen, should have been inside. When Patrick couldn't
find them, he ran upstairs and found that the master
bedroom door was locked. He forced it open and found blood,
an open window, and a knife, so he ran outside
in the backyard. He found Lindsey semi conscious on the

(02:37):
frozen ground. Patrick asked her, quote what did you do?
She said, quote, I tried to kill myself? Well, where
are the kids in the basement? Patrick was already on
the phone with nine one one when he ran downstairs.
What he found led to the nine one one dispatcher
hearing him screaming, quote, she killed the kids, and he's

(03:00):
just screaming uncontrollably on the phone. Cora and Dawson were dead.
Callen was still alive, but badly injured. He died three
days later at Boston Children's Hospital. Lindsay, a nurse at
Massachusetts General Hospital, and her husband Patrick, appeared to be
a loven family with three beautiful children. Friends and colleagues

(03:21):
described Lindsay as a compassionate, supportive, and excellent nurse with
nothing she loved more than her children and her husband. However,
beneath the surface, Lindsay had reportedly started struggling with mental
health issues since the birth of her youngest son, Callen,
in May twenty twenty two. Her husband and parents were

(03:42):
aware of her quote worsening depression and quote bad thoughts.
She was dealing with anxiety and insomnia starting in mid November,
and by December she was having quote thoughts of wanting
to die and quote intrusive thoughts of harming her children.
Lind sought help from several specialists, but she failed to

(04:03):
receive adequate treatment. She was prescribed multiple medications, which I
don't know why some doctors do this. Medicine is not
the answer. Testing medicine on people is not the answer.
And let me backtrack, because I know I didn't finish
my thought. Medicine obviously is sometimes the answer for certain things.
It's not always the answer. Like if you have a cold,

(04:25):
medicine is not going to do anything for you. You have
to let it ride out. But some doctors will prescribe
antibiotics for you when you have a cold. A cold
is not bacterial, it's viral, and antibiotics does absolutely nothing
except gets you out of the doctors here so you
can stop asking them questions, so you know they don't
know what's wrong with her, so they just start prescribing

(04:48):
medication to her. And friends and family actually described the
medication as a quote cocktail for generalized anxiety. They did
not go any further than anxiety. Just here, here's medicine.
We don't even know, but generalized anxiety, y'all don't even
understand how many times I've been in and out of
a doctor's office or a hospital or whatever throughout my

(05:11):
child's life. And instead of actually trying to figure out
what's wrong with her, they say anxiety. Y'all don't even
understand how many times and how many doctors I've changed
because of that, and even people that I know who
do have mental health issues. When everything started, the fight
started with anxiety, anxiety, anxiety, anxiety, instead of sitting down

(05:33):
and trying to figure it out or simply saying I
don't know, let me refer you to somebody else. It's
like some doctors are embarrassed as saying I don't know.
They said that Lindsay was given medications like valium, prozac, klonopin, zoloft,
sarah quil, and trazodone, so it sounds like I don't know,
try this, try this, try this, try this, try this together.

(05:55):
And then like some doctors don't even tell you you
can only take this medication for a certain amount of time.
They'll say, here, take this, and it's like indefinitely. And
if you do your research on medication, some things will
be like, you cannot take this more than a year,
or it's going to completely mess up your body. While
Patrick told police Lindsey took them as prescribed, her attorney

(06:16):
argued that these medications severely impacted her. Yeah, I mean,
you can take them as prescribed, but like I said,
it doesn't mean the prescription is completely right. Weeks before
the tragedy, on January first, twenty twenty three, she had
voluntarily checked herself into McLean Hospital, a psychiatric facility, after

(06:37):
disclosing thoughts of harming her children. So she is trying
to get help. She is screaming for help. She stayed
for five days, text and Patrick that she didn't belong there,
which is part of the illness. You do try to
get help, but the thoughts tell you that you don't
need help and you're okay. She was discharged on January fifth,

(06:59):
twenty twenty three, after d nine having any more intrusive thoughts,
and the hospital did not find her a danger to
herself or others. Patrick told police she quote appeared to
be getting better after returning home. Just two days after
her discharge. They hosted a birthday party for Cora, and
Patrick noted that Lindsay's mood gave him quote hope. He

(07:20):
felt she had been sleeping and her mood was improving.
On the morning of January twenty fourth, the day the
children were killed, Patrick had asked her how she was
feeling and how she was sleeping, and she had said
she was feeling quote good and slept quote pretty well.
Patrick even allowed her to take Cora to a doctor's
appointment that day, hoping it would help her come quote

(07:41):
back to reality. Medical staff noticed nothing out of the
ordinary about her behavior during the visit. She even built
a snowman with Cora and Dawson that afternoon, sending photos
to her family. Now on January twenty fourth, after police
found this horrendous scene, they were able to identify by
some exercise bands as the murder weapon. Police also discovered

(08:05):
journals and phone notes kept by Lindsey. These entries reportedly
included references of self harm, expressions of wanted to harm
her kids, feelings of resentment towards her older children, hopes
of more children, and notes about her prescriptions and feelings.
One note said that she had a quote touch of

(08:25):
postpartum anxiety around returning to work. Based on the evidence
and the events, Lindsey was arrested and charged with three
counts of murder and three counts of strangulation, and also
three counts of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon.
Lindsay survived her suicide attempt, but was left paralyzed from
the waist down. She's currently being held at the Tewkesbury

(08:48):
Hospital for court ordered psychiatric treatment. At her February twenty
twenty three arraignment, she attended via video link from the
hospital where she was being treated for her injuries. She
was wearing a mask and appeared to have a next
brace on. Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprague that told the
court quote the defendant did not take advantage of the

(09:09):
situation when her husband left, she created the situation. The
prosecutors allayed a timeline out. They said that Lindsey asked
Patrick to go pick up medicine for Cora at a
CVS and ordered takeout from a neighbor in town. Prosecutors
claimed that she used Apple Maps to figure out how
long the errands would take. Between approximately five fifteen pm

(09:31):
and six pm that day. Authorities say that children were
strangled with exercise bands. Patrick returned home around six pm.
Prosecutors alleged that after strangling the children, Lindsey made quote
superficial cuts to her wrists and neck, and jumped out
of a second floor window in an attempted suicide. Patrick

(09:51):
found her semi conscious on the ground outside. They said
she used that time to kill her children with quote
deliberate premeditation and extreme a tru and cruelty. Prosecutors also
said Lindsay had used her phone to search quote ways
to kill. Prosecutors also pointed to notes written after she
had regained consciousness, including allegedly asking quote do I need

(10:15):
an attorney. Lindsay spoke only once during the court hearings,
saying quote, yes, your honor, when asked if she could
hear the judge. A plea of not guilty was entered
on her behalf. Although her attorney, Kevin Reddington, says she
wasn't officially diagnosed with postpartum depression before the deaths, he

(10:35):
claims she was suffering from postpartum depression and potentially postpartum psychosis.
He says Lindsay had been over medicated, misdiagnosed, and left
unsupported quote. She was thoroughly destroyed by these medications. Our
society completely abandons women with this condition. Attorney Reddington said

(10:57):
that Lindsay kept a medication journal where she tracked side
effects and feelings of numbness. He said that she sustained
a spinal cord injury and broken back and ribs. Weeks
before the murders, she had told her husband quote, I
wish I could feel something. Also, according to her husband,
she began, I'm gonna hit pause here because I know

(11:21):
y'all hear the lawnmower in the background, and it's like
I started recording and now they want to come mow
the lawn. So I apologize for that sound. I'm going
to try and take it out in post, but if
I can't, then I do apologize. Let's get back to
the case. Also, according to her husband, she began to
describe hearing voices and feeling disconnected from reality just days

(11:41):
before the killing. Prosecutors said that she was evaluated at
a hospital in Rhode Island and was told she did
not have postpartum depression or symptoms of it, receiving a
diagnosis of general anxiety disorder instead. Lindsey herself reportedly never
used the word quote psychosis to this describe her symptoms
until after her arrest. Now you can't really blame her

(12:05):
for that because so fol she doesn't know it's psychosis,
and everybody around her is telling her, well not everybody
around her, but the doctors are telling her anxiety. But
listen to the words that she's saying. I wish I
could feel something. I'm hearing intrusive thoughts. I you know
that's not anxiety. And again the medical staff was not

(12:25):
listening to her. I hate, once again, I'm gonna say this.
I hate when some doctors don't know what's wrong with
you and they just say anxiety. I remember I told
a doctor there was this one doctor. This was after
going to countless doctors. This is two years in my
daughter was having crippling airpane. It wasn't an infection. You

(12:49):
know how when you go up into the airplane you
feel that pressure in your head from your ears. Well,
that's what was happening to her for like two years.
And after we went to I don't know the seventh
doctor or something like that. I don't know this. I'm
not going to call her out her name. With this person,
I'm explaining the feeling that my daughter's having and she

(13:10):
tells me it sounds like anxiety mixed with depression, and
maybe I should take her to a psychologist. And I
literally stared at this woman for like a solid thirty second.
I had nothing nice to say. I had nothing nice
to say, and we immediately changed to other doctors. If
you don't know doctors out there who love to say anxiety,
and yes, I'm talking directly to you, only those doctors, though.

(13:34):
If you don't know something, please don't say anxiety when
it's not. Please say I don't know. There's nothing wrong
with doing that. Anyways, Let me get off of that,
because you know how much this affects me, and I
know people with mental health issues. It's a real problem
out there. I know people with mental health issues. I

(13:56):
know people with physical issues and they just get anxiety.
Move along, you know. And it happens to a woman
a lot pcos fibromyalgia. All of this gets labeled as
anxiety far too many times. And this woman, Lindsey, was
screaming for help. She was trying to get help, and

(14:19):
instead of helping her, she just gets anxiety. Anxiety, anxiety. Anyway,
while all of this has been going on, Patrick has
lain low. He's not trying to like talk to everybody.
But he did do a personal interview with The New Yorker,
and he told the reporter that he does not believe
that his wife is evil. Quote. I wasn't married to

(14:41):
a monster. I was married to someone who got sick.
Patrick remembered speaking to Lindsay on the phone before her arraignment.
Quote she didn't sound like my wife. He remembers asking her,
quote did you plan this? Lindsay told him no, quote,
it was just like the snap of the fingers. And
later conversations, she told him how she felt that every

(15:03):
day was the worst day of her life and that
she quote misses her kids, which Patrick acknowledges sounds quote
crazy to some people, but is quote the reality. And Patrick,
it doesn't sound crazy to me. I mean, I'm telling
you right now, it does not sound crazy to me,
because it was just like a previous episode I did
where they put this person in jail. But this person

(15:26):
was completely out of his mind. He had oh I
remember now, he had dropped his daughter from stories up
and I think it was a newborn, and then he
went to a airline tarmac and started working or whatever,
and it just put him in prison. And I didn't.
I tell y'all that when he comes down, when he

(15:47):
gets better, he is going to feel like complete trash.
He won't be able to believe he did this, because
when you're going through that psychosis, you're not in your
right mind. You're literally crazy, like legit crazy. Not people
who try to use craziness as an excuse to get

(16:09):
away with certain things. No, these people like Lindsey and
the other person i'm telling you about, and I'll put
that link to that episode in the show notes below,
and the other person I'm telling you about, they were
completely It's like you can say, it's akin to sleep walking.
You're not responsible for what you're doing when you're sleepwalking
because you're not awake. You look like you're awake, you're

(16:29):
walking around, functioning like you're awake, you're probably even having conversations,
but you're not awake. It's the same thing. So if
somebody was sleepwalking and did something horrendous and then woke up,
they're going to beat themselves up because they cannot believe
they just did this. It's the same thing. So Patrick, No,
it does not sound crazy to me. I know there's

(16:51):
some people out there, and I'll go in to some
of the and I'll go into some of the comments
that I've seen around the web. I know there's some
people out there who think, you know, I can't believe
she did this or whatever. But no, I understand where
you're coming from, Patrick, and I'm really happy that you
understand what's going on with your wife and you don't
blame her. When Patrick asked her why she looked up

(17:11):
how long it would take for him to pick up dinner,
Lindsay said that she was concerned about him getting stuck
in traffic. When asked if she googled quote ways to kill,
she said, quote, yeah, for myself, because I was suicidal
for two months. Patrick also pushed back against prosecutor's claims
that Lindsay's suicide attempt wasn't genuine. He said she had

(17:32):
severe cuts and suffered spinal and nerve damage during the fall. Now,
Lindsay's case has reignited a national conversation around postpartum depression
and psychosis. Funny, how that's not researched a lot. Just
really funny, how that's not researched a lot. The case
has also brought attention to the legal systems approach countries

(17:54):
in Europe and Asia often recognized postpartum conditions in criminal matters,
WO for treatment instead of punishment, which Kai has been
screaming for for I can't for five years, I guess
the length of the podcast. In the US, only Illinois
currently has a law allowing judges to consider postpartum disorders

(18:17):
as mitigating factors in sentencing. A bill in Massachusetts that
would allow similar consideration has stalled in the legislature. State
Representative James O'Day, who sponsored the bill, said, quote, who
in their right mind would treat their child in this
manner if there wasn't some type of mental illness potential involved? Now,

(18:39):
State Representative Odey, I kind of have to disagree with
you're on that. Yes, some people, but then there's also
other people who are sick individuals who would just tried
to take advantage of this. Like I'm telling you, I
wasn't in my right mind, because who in their right
mind would treat their child in that manner? And they're
completely saying they're just monsters. So yeah, there are some

(19:00):
monsters out there, but you have to learn to differentiate
between the two. People cannot cannot successfully pretend to have
mental health issues. Supporters of the bill argue that without
understanding postpartum disorders, mothers will continue to be punished instead
of being treated. The condition affects as many as one

(19:21):
in seven women with severe outcomes. For some postpartum psychosis
is even more rare effect than one to two in
one thousand. WOW advocates argue that society fails women suffering
from these conditions, often relying on medication without adequate support.
It's just like some people think women just have a baby,

(19:43):
and you know, you just bounce back, take care of
your kid. You're fine, just be strong. Like that's not
how any of this work. You have to understand their
hormone imbalances once the child is gone. Okay, for instance,
this is a very very very loose for instance, but
just the men who are listening out here, and I
guess women too who don't have children and don't believe

(20:06):
in this, I guess, for instance, like I said, loose.
For instance, when I was pregnant, Oh my god, I
loved grapefruits. It was the sweetest thing I'd ever tasted
in my life. Loved. I had a grapefruit every single
day of my pregnancy. As soon as my daughter was

(20:28):
born and I came out of the hospital. So that
what's that? Three days I wanted my grapefruit again. I
went and got a grapefruit. I cut into it, and
oh my god, it was the most bitter, horrible, awful
tasting thing I've ever had in my life. And that
was just food. Let alone understanding the hormonal changes in
our body and how it's gonna affect our mind, body,

(20:50):
digestive system, sexual activity. Like, you have to understand. We
just shit out of human like, but nobody takes it
serri You know, postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, postpartum this, and
postpartum that. Seriously. But I bet you you know what,

(21:11):
Shut up, Kai, I'm not gonna say anything. Lindsay's trial
is scheduled to begin on January fifth, twenty twenty six.
Her defense team is expected to argue that she cannot
be held criminally responsible due to her mental illness. Prosecutors
are still pushing for a conviction of first degree murder,
citing deliberate planning and evidence gathered from her phone. I

(21:33):
hope they're going to be pushing for I mean, but
by this time it might she might have leveled off,
but I was gonna because her baby was eight months old,
so maybe her maybe her hormones have leveled off by
this time, so even if they put her in for
a psychiatric evaluation, she might test as normal by now,
to which the prosecution would be like three. But again,

(21:55):
that's not how this works. That's not how any of
this works. Lindsey remain under twenty four to seven a
suicide watch, which it's like waking up from a dream
and realizing you killed your children so and nobody's listening
to you. They're just saying monster, monster, mont like today.
Patrick lives in Manhattan and works remotely. The Duxbury home

(22:16):
has been sold, and in April twenty twenty four, he
ran the Boston Marathon to honor his children and raised
over seventy three thousand dollars for the hospital that tried
to save Callen's life. Quote there's no house anymore, there
are no kids. All that's left is me and Lindsay.
Patrick has maintained public support for Lindsey, even starting to

(22:38):
go fundme campaign days after the children died, which raised
one million dollars. In the GoFundMe post, Patrick wrote, quote,
the real Lindsay was generously loving and caring. All I
wish for her now is that she can somehow find
peace And that was a quote from Patrick. Lindsay is
currently being held for court ordered mental treatment at Toothsbury Hospital,

(23:00):
Good Good. At least the court ordered this excellent where
she is being held without bail. A judge has ruled
that Lindsey must undergo a psychiatric examination by an expert
chosen by the prosecution. Of course it is but again,
she's getting mental health treatment and her hormonal levels might

(23:23):
have leveled off and gone back to normal, so it
might come back that she's fine now you should have
done the psychiatric evaluation. Then now it's like, uh, I
don't know. Am I the only one frustrated by this.
She's been paralyzed from the waist down since the fall

(23:43):
from the window. She has generally waived her appearances at
subsequent court hearings due to her injuries. The case continues
with pre trial proceedings. A status update conference is set
for September twenty seventh, twenty twenty five, and then, as
already told you, the trial is starting in jail January,
although some sources note that a date has not yet

(24:03):
been set or is on the horizon, So I mean
it could be January fifth, and it could be later
than that. The Lindsay Clancy case is a heartbreaking tragedy
that has sparked crucial conversations about mental health, the legal system,
and how society supports mothers facing severe prenatal condition. The
scheduled trial in twenty twenty six will be a pivotal

(24:26):
moment in determining the legal outcome of this complex and
devastating case. And I really hope that somebody understands that
even if her psychiatric examination comes back as normle, you
need to take into consideration before at the time the
murders happened, that's when you need to take into consideration.

(24:49):
Because the baby was only eight months, she was still
going through postpartum hormonal changes. So we will see how
this goes. I'm going to put it in my calendar
to continuously check on the updates of this case. I
want to say I'm hopeful that they understand, but I'm
not really hopeful because when it comes to mental health,

(25:10):
it's really not taking that seriously. And the speaking of
which May is Mental Health Awareness Month, So I did
want to do this case during this month, and if
you or someone you know is struggling with mental health
or in crisis, if you're feeling like you're having intrusive thoughts,

(25:30):
if you're feeling anything like I mentioned in here that
Lindsay was saying, then get help that is confidential and
free and is available twenty four to seven three hundred
and sixty five. You can call or text nine eight eight.
You can also chat at nine eight eight. Lifeline dot org.

(25:51):
T t Y users can use their preferred relay service
or dial seven to one one and then nine eight eight.
If you are in need of support but not in crist,
consider reaching out to a warmline. Wormlines offer a place
to call when you just need to talk to someone.
Speaking to someone on these calls is typically free, confidential,
and run by people who understand what it's like to

(26:14):
struggle with mental health problems. To find a warm line,
you can go to MHA National dot org forward slash Wormlines.
That's m h A National dot org forward slash Wormlines.
What did you think of this episode? Let me know

(26:36):
your thoughts in the comments below. Do you know anybody
or did you suffer from postpartum depression and nobody around
you understood or believed what you were going through. Have
you ever gone to a doctor for a diagnosis, like say,
your shoulder is hurting, inexcruciating pain and they tell you
its anxiety. You have really horrible pain in your menstrual

(27:00):
cycle every month and you go to the doctor and
they tell you anxiety. If you have any of these
types of stories, please share them with me, because I
would love to read them on air so people can
know that this is true that doctors some doctors. I'm
not saying all because we have found out of the haystack.

(27:21):
There has been a couple needles where my daughter and
I found doctors who could help her and we hung
on to those doctors for dear life. So let me
know your story in the comments below. And speaking of comments,
so I didn't say I was going to tell you
a couple comments that I saw. I didn't copy them.
This is just going from memory, and you know my

(27:42):
memory ain't that good. But I remember seeing comments on
this Lindsey Clancy case, like some people saying that, you know,
I understand that you're having a hard time, but as
a mother, you should be a mother first and protect
your children, and you should have just taken yourself away
from the children, and it's like you literally do not
understand mental health at all, Like that's not how that works.

(28:07):
She felt she had a problem, she was trying to
get help, but your intrusive thoughts, as I'm understanding it
because I don't have mental health issues, but this is
coming from helping people who have mental health issues, being
around people who have mental health issues and talking to
them in depth, and your intrusive thoughts try to also

(28:28):
convince you that you're okay and everybody else is crazy.
You're okay, there's nothing wrong with you. You're okay. So,
you know, maybe those intrusive thoughts were telling her, you know,
stay with the children, like when she took herself to
the hospital, maybe she had a second of lucidity. She
took herself to the hospital, so she was trying to
protect her children. But then those intrusive thoughts came in

(28:50):
and is like, what are you doing in here? You're
completely fine. You need to get out. And the hospital
was like, you know what, we think you're fine too,
and they let her out, which I have seen that
happen way too many times where the person is not baseline.
But I don't know what they see, but they let
this person out, and this person goes running off into
the day and takes off their clothes and in twenty

(29:14):
degree weather and is just running through the streets and
the hospital just let them out, saying, yeah, seems pretty
normal to me. So I don't know. But if you're
one of those people who are like she should have
bought first about her children when she had seconds of lucidity,
she was when she wasn't lucid, the intrusive thoughts were
telling her something different. And if you've never experienced that,

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just like myself, then you cannot speak or judge. And
if her husband, whose children it is and she lived with,
is saying that I know this isn't my wife, then
how dare you even open your mouth to judge? So
that's what I wanted to say. Now let's get into
some of your comments on past episodes. So, because Ai,

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Dane Jensen, and Jessica are now doing the midweek Mini
and Florida Man Fridays, I know I'm going to come
in at some point in time and do a couple
of them myself, but I normally read your comments on
the corresponding days, So like Monday, comments on Monday's Wednesday
comments on Wednesdays, but because that's not how happening, I
will read all the comments on Monday's episode. So the

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first thing I'm going to go through, it's actually not
a comment. It is a poll that I put out
for the case of Ashley Benson, and this is the
case of the Black Swan murder trial. For this, in
any case that I mentioned in this episode, if you
haven't heard of it before, or you forgot, or you're
new here and you haven't heard it before, then all

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the cases that I mentioned in this episode, the links
to them are in the show notes below, so you
can easily just go to it and listen to that case.
So the poll that I had was do you think
Ashley murdered dug in cold blood? Or was it self defense?
And one hundred percent of you said that it was
cold blooded murder. So, like I said, if you hadn't

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heard that case before, it is in the show notes below.
Another comment I have for you is from the case
of the murder of Amora Bank Carson. The TLDR of
this was a baby was tortured for thirty hours by
her mother and boyfriend and Barbara Lugsdon said, I found
out the hard way drug psychosist mimics schizophrenia. I took

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my niece to the psych ward countless times, and the
last incident, a drug test was performed and the results
were a variety of illegal street drugs. When I confronted
her with the truth, she tried to attack me. She
attacked my sister, cops, nurses, etc. And she is a
danger to herself and others. She's psychotic and she's still

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free to harm others. Well, Barbara, I am very very
sorry to hear that. I'm pretty sure that's literally very
hard to deal with. Literally, Like you want to help
people who are addicted to streep drugs, but the first
step is them helping themselves, because like even if you
put them in a treatment center, they get out, they

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take it again. You know, they have to admit to
themselves that they have a problem and that they do
want help, because it takes work on their part. So
I'm very sorry that you're dealing with that now. The
next comment that I have is from the case of
Kristin Dinatt, which the title of that was that a
mother starved her baby and the baby was described as

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looking like a Holocaust survivor. So this comment comes from
Izzy and it says, this is unbelievable. I cannot believe
the court ruling. She should be starved for weeks and
see how she likes it. I bet she would rethink
her actions. But honestly, certain people shouldn't procreate. Gerr. Like Izzy,

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I agree with everything you said. I'm pretty sure I
said into episode if it was something that could be done,
then she should be starved to see how it feels,
you know. But Izzy, thank you for your comments. And
the poll that I had for this one is do
you think she could be rehabilitated or do you think
she deserves a harsher punishment? And one hundred percent of

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you said she deserves a harsher punishment. So, like I said,
linked to that is in the show notes below, And
the last comment I'm going to read to you was
a Florida man Friday, a mom had tried to sell
her daughter for five hundred dollars and it was the
case of Jessica would Now this episode was actually a twofer.
One was of child abuse and the second one was

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of tempted child trafficking. So Becca thirty thirty nine said
New video just came out and the despicable female so
called mother was complaining she was freezing while baby was
in her arms practically naked. The price and DHS should
have taken that baby from their first call. I pray

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that baby is in a good home. Seems as if
she's been three up. So that comment was for the
case of Jessica Woods who tried to sell her daughter
for five hundred dollars. And in that case, Jessica was
doing some crazy stuff to her daughter like elbowing her
and spanking her and just having her out in the cold.
So anyways, you have to listen to the entire story.

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And then the second case, like I said, was about
child trafficking, and in that case, I told you about
an eighty five year old man who tried to buy
a child from her mother for one hundred thousand dollars
and that case was crazy too. Thank you Becca for
your comment, and that is all I have for you today.
Thank you for listening all the way to the end.

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