The Disturbing and Shocking, Murderous Case of Serial Killer Sheila LaBarre

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Now part of the Darkcast Network, welcome to Indy Podcasts with a Dark Side.

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In today's episode, I tell you about a woman from Epping, New Hampshire, who had dark
secrets lurking beneath her seemingly serene facade.
Join me as we uncover a web of manipulation, abuse, and unspeakable horrors.
It's the case of Sheila LaBarre, right now, Unloving Murder.

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Welcome LaMs, welcome to a new episode of Love and Murder.
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I am your host Ky, and in today's episode, we're discussing a case of possible mental
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Sheila Kay Bailey was born on July 4, 1958 in Fort Payne, Alabama.

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She was the youngest of six children, and just like the day she was born in the United States,
July 4 is Independence Day, so we usually have a lot of fireworks and stuff like that.
So just like the day she was born on, she was called Firecracker, and she had the personality
to match.
She had a very difficult abusive upbringing because one of her sisters, herself and her

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mother were sexually, physically, and verbally abused by her alcoholic father.
And on top of that, as if that wasn't bad enough, he would also bring over other men to sexually
assault Sheila.
Now as a teenager, Sheila dreamed of being in a singing, she wanted to be a country singer,
she wanted to be a model, she just had really big dreams for herself.

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But the main thing is she wanted to be rich.
She graduated from Fort Payne High School in 1976, and in the early 1980s, she ended up
going to a psychiatric facility after she attempted suicide, while in the psychiatric facility
and orderly had tried to rape her.
So it's like going from bad to bad to bad to worse to bad to worse.

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On December 31, 1981, when she was 23, she married 19 year old John Baxter.
After only about six weeks of marriage, John found out that Sheila had been locking his
little girl in a closet all day long while he was away at work.
So on February 14, 1982, he divorced her.

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The marriage only lasted six weeks.
He left her, but it took him a while to get the divorce papers and everything going through.
Quote, the marriage didn't last very long because as soon as the truth came out about
how I was being treated, he ran off.
End quote.
This was a quote from John Baxter's daughter who was grown at the time of that quote.
After on in 1982, she married again another man named Ronnie Jennings.

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So then at the time she was known as Sheila Bailey Jennings.
After a while, she wanted to divorce Ronnie, but he said, no.
So in 1985, she said, well, I'm just going to do what I do, what I do.
And she had an affair with a man named Sam Billing.
And then in the spring of 1987, she moved from Fort Paine to Epping, New Hampshire.

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The reason why she did this was because she had answered a personal ad put out by an older
gentleman, 61 year old, Whittorrer Chiropractor, named Wilfred LeBar, who also went by Bill.
So once she answered that ad, she went to live on his 150 acre horse farm.

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Bill was wealthy as you can see.
He was a doctor.
He was a well known doctor and he was well liked in his community.
He owned one of the largest and hottest piece of real estate in the area.
The reason why he put out an ad is because yeah, he had the money, yeah, he had the property,
yeah, he had the respect of the town, but he didn't have anybody to share all of this

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with.
So when Sheila, who was 34 years younger than him, found ad and answered him and they seemed
to hit it off, he thought he had found his person.
So Sheila, when she moved in with him, she started calling herself Sheila LeBar.
Even though they never actually got married, remember, she was still married to Ronnie Jennings.

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Bill on the other hand, it's not like he had never been married before.
He had actually been married twice before, which ended in one divorce and one instance
where his wife died.
So he was kind of feeling lonely.
So they lived together unmarried from 1987 until 2000 when he died at the age of 74 due
to a heart attack.

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Now, his children weren't too happy about that.
So they contested his will, but they ended up being told that they only had a 50/50 chance
of success and they might end up wasting all of their money, which was $50,000 upfront
that they would have to pay without getting anything back.
So they decided that they weren't going to move forward on contest in it.

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So I think Sheila and Will Fred LeBar's relationship was more tumultuous than anything else.
The police department would be involved several times with domestic disputes.
So let's get into some of those.
On January 15, 1995, Sheila filed an assault report with the Epin Police accusing a person
named Wayne Ennis of attacking her.

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Now Wayne was a Jamaican citizen who she'd known for some years now.
She actually worked for Dr. LeBar and lived with them and Sheila and Sheila would occasionally
have sex with him.
So she filed a restraining order and was granted a restraining order against him.
And then in August 22, 1995, Sheila married him in York, Maine.

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Now what now?
You filed a restraining order on the men.
You're with Dr. LeBar still.
I guess at some point in time she divorced Ronnie Jennings and she married the man who she
filed a restraining order on.
Okay.
As you can imagine, with how the marriage even started before it even started, the marriage

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was very abusive.
Both Sheila and Wayne accused each other of abuse and on December 28, 1996, she filed another
report saying that Wayne had beat her.
She then divorced him that same December and on April 2, 1997, she got a restraining

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order against him again saying that he allegedly repeatedly assaulted her.
After all of that mess, and remember she's still with Dr. LeBar, she then got a boyfriend
who was 10 years younger than her name James Brackett.
And on September 25, 1998, he charged her with assault.
Then on February 15, 2000, Sheila's father died and 11 months later on December 2, 2000,

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that's when Dr. LeBar died.
So she was doing all of this while she was with Dr. LeBar.
All of this craziness was going on while she was with him.
Poor guy.
And I guess he was just going through his stuff and he, I don't know, maybe he was just too
old to pay attention to what was going on and he still left everything to her instead
of his children.

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Craziness.
In 2002, Sheila then tried to run James over with her car.
And in 2003, it's reported that she gouged his face and shot a gun at him.
"Mam, what is it with you and these men?"
Like, "Oh my God."
In 2004, Sheila got another man to move in with her.
This time it's Michael Delage from Port Smith, New Hampshire.

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Michael has struggled with addiction and homelessness.
And when he found Sheila and she's saying, "Hey, come move into this 150 acre farm with
me."
Of course, he jumped at the opportunity.
But then, eerily, no one heard from him or saw him after the fall of 2005.
Now after Dr. LeBar died, Sheila then started looking for her next victim.

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I mean, love on the phone chat lines.
In February 2006, she met a man 24-year-old man named Kenneth Kunti Jr. and he was known
as Kenny.
Kenny was from Wilmington, Massachusetts and was born in 1981 and he grew up in, "Okay,
I'ma try and say this."

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Tukes, Tukesbury, Massachusetts?
Anyone from Tukesbury, T-E-W-K-S-B-U-R-Y?
Anyone from there, you can school me on how to say your town's name because I'm not sure
if I'm saying it right.
Kenny was mentally disabled and had a low IQ.
He was described by others as having a "child-like trust."

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But he had the full support of his family.
It's not like they tossed him aside.
His family loved him and supported him.
And, you know, he just had a really great family.
So she met Kenny and they actually had their first date on February 14th, 2006.
Just a couple days after they had their first date, Kenny moved in with her.

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And, came to help her work on the farm.
Now, for weeks, his mother had stopped hearing from him, which is not really Kenny.
He does keep in contact with his mother, with his family.
He keeps in contact.
So she started calling and she was getting no answer.
So she immediately filed a Miss and Persons report.

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In the Miss and Persons report, she said he had disappeared with a woman who drove a
black catalac.
She said this woman who drove the black catalac came to pick him up and she had not heard
from her son since.
So officers went out to the farm to do a wellness check.
When they got there on February 24th, 2006, it was around 1pm and the gate was closed.

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So they ended up parking their car outside of the gate and then climbed through, like,
you know, the, the, I don't know what you call it, rungs?
I think the, the partitions between the gate, I don't know, I don't know what you call
it.
And then they walked up the driveway to the house and that's when they saw Sheila and she

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wouldn't open the door.
She just talked to them through the window.
Sergeant Sean Gallagher was one of the officers to go to the house for the wellness check.
And he asked Sheila if Kenny was there and she said no, he's not.
So he said, well, we have a report here.
Someone filed a Miss and Persons report and said that he was with you.

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So I, I came out to do this wellness check and I'm asking once again is Kenny with you and
you're telling me no, but I just want to come around the house to make sure that he's
not here.
So initially Sheila said no and then she said, well, he is here, but he was naked in the
bathtub and police were like, okay, well, tell him get some clothes on and let me see him.

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So without a word, she walked away from the window so they didn't know if she was actually
going to get him or she just wasn't coming back to talk to them.
And she did come back with Kenneth and brought him to the door and to the police and what
they went back and reported Kenny looked, quote, fine.
And she told them that well, he's here of his own free will.
So now you need to get off my property, get off my property.

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And so they did.
Now we're going to take a pause here because this is the kind of crap that I don't understand.
So like I said, I have experience.
I know someone who has mental health issues.
And because of the laws and I put that in quote, if this grown person, they see this grown

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person and we're saying, hey, we need to, we need to, I don't know, this person is hallucinating.
We need to stop him.
They will literally look you in your eye and say, this person looks fine.
They are grown and they look completely normal to us and they will let the person go off
into the world while we know this person is completely in a whole other world of their

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own.
But because they're above 18 and legal or whatever, they'll just say that person looks
fine and leave that person alone.
And if you touch that person, they will charge you.
It has happened.
They will charge you for false imprisonment.
It's the same thing going on here.
This person has a child like mind.

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You went to this woman's house.
He appeared fine.
He's probably like mentally seven or eight.
He appeared fine.
So he's here of his own free will.
He's like eight in his mind.
Yes, you see a grown person.
But think about this woman just took an eight year old.
Literally is what going on is what's going on and you're just saying, well, he seems fine.

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And then so we'll bid you a dear man and then leave.
Oh my God.
As a parent, that must be so frustrating, so frustrating.
This is the kind of bullshit I can't take.
Laws need to be fixed for situations such as this.
Something needs to happen because then when these people that I'm talking about people,
for instance, with mental health, go out and do something because in their head, they're

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not even on this, this earth and maybe voices are telling them to do something.
You're going to charge them as mentally competent and act like, well, they should have known.
They didn't even know they were on earth.
What in the frick?
And then you left this dude who is like an eight year old in his mind in the care of this
woman and she's saying he's here of his own free will.
No, he's here of your own free will.

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Not his.
He would probably rather be with his family.
So they left saying he was fine.
They reported to his mother that he was fine when his mother was not fine.
She was like, so there you go.
She was like, she told the police he has quote, an IQ of a 12 year old.
So yeah, you just left a 12 year old in the care of a complete stranger who's telling you

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that she that he's fine.
So she told the police he has an IQ of a 12 year old and that he needs support.
He needs more support than I mean, look, he needs a support of a 12 year old because he's
an adult and he has a mind of a 12 year old.
So that's even more support than a 12 year old.
So she's telling them this and they're like, well, he's legally an adult.

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So we can't do anything about it.
Bullshit.
I call bullshit on that.
There needs to be some laws in there where somebody with an IQ of a 12 year old cannot
be considered legally an adult.
I don't know how, I don't know because there would be people that would abuse that law, which
I understand which is why the law is in place in the first place, like the psychiatric law.

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Like back in the day, some men would put their wives in the psychiatric ward and just say,
she's crazy and the story.
So we have these laws for that.
I understand that.
But it's been how many years you can revise these laws with the, with the knowledge you
have now.
You know this guy has a mind of a 12 year old.
Okay, you can't just take the mother's word for it, but you can get him tested or something.

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And then once it comes back that yes, he has a mind of a 12 year old.
He's no longer legally an adult.
If somebody has schizophrenia and this person constantly, no matter what care they get, they're
constantly reverting back into care and voices or hallucinating, you cannot say this person

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is legally an adult.
They're not.
There's some people where the medicine works.
Yes.
And then you keep an eye on them.
They're considered legally an adult.
And there's some people where the medicine just doesn't work.
There needs to be something.
We're all, we're worrying about other stuff.
We shouldn't be worried about.
We need to be worrying about mental health in this country also.

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Look, let me not go down this rabbit hole.
Okay, because I'm just going to be sitting here, yelling to a microphone and nothing is
going to change.
Let's move on.
So this is what the mother had to contend with.
She had nothing.
There was nothing that she can do, but she learned the other hand figured that there was something
that she could do.
And on February 26, she made three phone calls to Sergeant Gallagher stating that the police

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had no right to be on her property.
You know, screw this.
Why did you all even come here?
I need to see a copy of that NCIC report that said that Kenny was missing.
And if anybody, if anybody comes on my property again, I will sue your ass.
I will sue you for every penny that you have and even the pennies that you don't have.
I will sue you.

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I will sue your children.
I will sue your grandchildren.
Even your great grandchildren will be paying this lawsuit.
Then on March 17, 2006, Sergeant Gallagher and another officer responded to a call from
a Walmart Super Center in Epping that said there was a suspicion person acting very disruptively
inside the store.

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So they went out and when they got there, guess what they found?
They found Sheila and Kenneth.
Now Kenneth, who they left on February 24, 2006, was now in a freaking wheelchair.
Was now in a wheelchair.
He was slumped over in the wheelchair.
The officer, Sergeant Gallagher, said he looked "ashen."

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He had cuts on his hands and his face.
And one of his hands was swollen and wasn't even working properly.
This is the man that you left in the care of this woman saying that he looked fine just
a month ago.
Wait, actually, it's not even a month yet.
Maybe three weeks, a little bit over three weeks, it's not even a month yet.
And this is what he looks like now.

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So Sergeant Gallagher, Ashela, what was going on here?
Because I guess you couldn't ask Kenny because he's a grown-ass man.
So you should be able to ask him and not Sheila and find out what was going on here.
But anyway, because Kenny actually has the mind of a child, he asked Sheila what's going
on.
And Sheila said that, "Oh, Kenny got these injuries in a car accident."

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And then when the other officer tried to speak directly to Kenny, Sheila said, "No, you're
not allowed to say anything to him."
Which how are you to tell me that?
He's a grown-ass man, remember?
So he has rights, he should be able to speak for himself and you can't tell me not to talk
to him.
So, lady, move the effecide and let me talk to the grown-ass, legally grown-ass man.

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I'm sure y'all could see how passionate I am about this specific issue where they label
people as legally grown who are not.
I apologize for all the person.
I am very passionate about it.
I do apologize for all the person.
I am not going to say that I'm not going to curse him in the rest of this episode.

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I will just try not to.
But I'm pretty sure something else is going to piss me off.
So back to what I was saying.
So for some reason, even though he's grown, legally grown, they listen to her who is not his
a guardian, b mother or anything to him that's not his wife, that's nothing.
But they listen to her, they won't listen to his mom, but they listen to her and didn't

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try to talk to him anymore.
And when they accompanied them out of the store, Sergeant Gallagher saw that Kenny was leaning
on the shopping cart and "not walking properly."
I guess they had taken him out of the wheelchair and said, "Hey, can you walk by yourself to show
that he could walk?"
But he wasn't "walking properly."
Which is fair because he was in a wheelchair.

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So they also watched Sheila help him get into the truck and then they watched them drive
away.
So I actually have pictures of how Kenny looked in Walmart in my Patreon among other pictures
and other things that come with this case.
So if you want any of that, I mean, you could technically just search the internet yourself
and find it yourself.
But if you want all the pictures that I found without you having to waste your time and search

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for them, then you can join us in patreon patreon.com/lovinmerter.
Then on March 22nd, Sheila called Sergeant Gallagher again this time to complain that he had
"characterized her as a suspicious person in his report with the Walmart incident."
Like she literally got the report and said, "Did he just say I was a suspicious person?

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Let me call this dude up."
Oh, and by the way, while I'm complaining to you about labeling me as a suspicious person,
I want to let you know that Kenny left my house.
So the next day, Kenny's mother called Sergeant Gallagher and she said that she was calling
because she called Sheila and Sheila said that Kenny was no longer living with her.

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And she said, "But that's not like Kenny because if he were on his own, he wouldn't just walk
out into the highway and just be like, 'Durna, dunna, dunna, dunna, dunna, nobody loves me.'
That's not her son.
He would have actually called her or somebody in his family to come and get him."
She also said, "There's also no way that he can be left on his own because he has "mental

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deficiencies since birth."
So he can't be left on his own and he knows that and he's never ever done anything for
me to believe that he would just stay on his own.
He would always call me or someone he knows."
So Sergeant Gallagher took this seriously and between him and one of the other officers,

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they called Sheila repeatedly and left voice messages asking her where Kenneth was.
She didn't answer though.
Quote, on March 23rd, 2006, Carolyn Lodge had called Sheila LeBarr to check on her son and
found out that Kenneth was no longer at the house.
Sheila believed that Kenneth had gone back to Massachusetts.
End quote.

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At approximately 1 a.m. on March 24th, Sheila called Sergeant Gallagher.
She told him, "Look Kenny's gone.
He called him at 1 a.m. to tell him Kenny was gone.
You had literally the entire day."
Anyways, she said Kenny's gone and then she played him a tape recording over the phone.
Of her, identifying herself as the "justice of the peace" in New Hampshire and questioning

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Kenny about raping children.
On the tape you can hear Kenny saying, "Yes" to Sheila's questions and his voice was really
like soft and muffled.
It's described.
At the end of the tape, Sergeant Gallagher heard something that sounded like throwing up.
You know when you're getting ready to throw up, "I'm not going to do this sound because
there's some people going to be like, 'Oh, I can't allow it.'

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Don't say it."
But you know the sound I'm talking about.
So he heard that sound and that's when he then heard Sheila say, "Stop faking that
throwing up."
And then he heard her say, "Kenny's coonty is now faking that he's throwing up."
Then after she said that, she said to Kenny, "Hey, stop faking that you fainted."
And then she came back to the recording and said, "Kenny's coonty is now faking that he fainted."

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Then after all of that, it was some silence and then he heard Sheila in the background,
"crying hysterically" and saying, "Why?
Why?
Why?"
And then that's where the tape ended.
So of course they were like, "What?
The f?"
And did a star ski and a hutch ran to their car?

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I don't know if star ski and hutch is...
I don't even know who star ski and hutch is.
You know what?
I'm just thinking about that.
When I think star ski and hutch, I think about people like back in the 70s movies running
out to their cop car and sliding over the hood, but I don't even know if star ski and
hutch did that.
Anyways, stay on target, stay on target.
So they ran out to their car and booked it over to Sheila's house.

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They got there at 6 p.m.
And even though she still maintained that Kenneth was gone, they decided they were going
to take a look around.
And when they got there, the gate was closed, but not locked like last time, where the many
other times they went there because just backstory, she constantly called the police.
She constantly called on domestic abuse.

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You could hear throughout the timeline.
I said, "How many times she called for domestic abuse?"
And there were times where she said the person had left, but then the police later found
out the person was still at the house, whatever, whatever.
So they were kind of used to this.
So the gate was closed, but not locked as many times when they went to the house.
They did see that there were no lights on in the house and that all of her vehicles were

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in the yard, which means she was home.
So they looked around and although it was dark, they did realize that there was some illumination
from somewhere.
So what is that?
And they went and saw a large burn pile was just smoldering in the ground.
So they were like, "Okay, weird."
So they went and knocked on the door and no one answered.

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So they went back around to the fire pit and that's when they saw that there was a burnt
mattress in the front yard, "In the fire, there was what appeared to be a bone as a police
officer.
The sense really kicks in that something is very seriously wrong."
I mean, as a non-police officer, if I saw a bone in a fire and a burnt mattress, I think

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something's going to kick in and tell me something's very seriously wrong too.
So then they really started looking around this pile.
They turned on the flashlight and they saw inside the pile what looked like a knife handle
and the blade was melted.
They saw a partially burnt chair, that piece of bone and they saw tree limb clippers.

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So then they looked at the bone even closely.
The bone was about three and a half inches long with a piece of fleshy material attached
to it.
Okay, what's going on here?
So then they went back to the door and knocked several times saying, "This is the epipolice."

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It sounds like you're saying the epipolice, but no, I'm saying the epipolice.
E-P-P-I-N-G.
This is the epipolice answer the door.
Open up.
We want to ask you a bunch of questions.
No one answered the door so then they went back to their car.
The main concern was that is this Kenny?
Was that bone Kenny?

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So they needed a warrant to go search the house.
He called back and they spoke with the assistant county attorney who told them, "Yes, you have
sufficient evidence to go conduct, quote, a well-being check.
You can break down the door and go in there.
You have sufficient evidence."
So then they called for backup and officer Bradley Jardis responded to the call.
Officer Jardis came packed though.

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He came to that house with his rifle, took it from his car and went to the house.
He took it on a, quote, administrative carry.
That's what they said he called it.
I'm pretty sure if I see a bone in a burning bone with some flesh stuck to it, I'm going to
administrative carry too, whatever property I'm on until I get off the property that I'm
calling 911 because there was a bone with flesh in this pile of, I was just trying to deliver

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something and there was a bone with flesh by a burning mattress in a burning pile.
So yeah, maybe you want to come check that out.
So now that they're all strapped up, all three officers walked back to the house.
This time Sergeant Gallagher knocked on the door while the other two officers banged on the
side of the house and on the windows that are on the side of the house.

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Again, no one answered.
So they went back to the door and Gallagher said, "All right, we need to kick this door open
and they kicked it open."
As they kicked it open, like at the same time they kicked it open, that's when they kicked
it open, they heard noise and then they saw Sheila walking from the gate towards them.
Quote, "Sheila comes down the road and starts screaming immediately.

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What are you doing?"
She said she had been out shopping and she just got back home and here you are in her
house like kicking indoors and breaking my hinges and what the, what's going on.
Officers say, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear all that."
But where's Kenny?
And she said, "Oh, he left days earlier.
I called you and let you know that."
And I don't know where he is.
I haven't seen him since then.
So Sergeant Gallagher said, "Okay, you said he's not here, so let's go inside.

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I'm going to go inside and check for myself that he's not here."
So she said, "Sure, come in.
I'll show you room by room that he's not here."
And she literally did that.
She took them room by room throughout the house.
And as she's doing this Gallagher reported that she seemed, quote, "happy" as she gave
this tour.
When they went to the basement, they found a pair of sneakers that Sheila said belonged

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to Kenny.
And she told them that, "No, you can't take them.
They're Kenny's.
He left them here.
Maybe he'll come back for it for it.
You can't take it."
So then they said, "Okay."
So when they walked back outside, one of the officers asked Sheila about the bone into
fire pit.
And she replied that it was from a rabbit because whenever her rabbit dies, she usually

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cremates them.
So the officer said, "Uh, yeah, I've had a rabbit before."
And unless this rabbit was like five foot four, this bone was too big to have come from a
rabbit.
So then Sheila started getting irritated and, quote, "that's when I asked her what the bone
into fire pit was from."

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And now back to the show.
So Sergeant Gallagher was like, did you?
Did you just say it was from a pedophile?
And she said, no, I didn't say that.
Your hearing things.
You really need to get your hearing tricks.
I didn't say that.
He said, you literally just said it is from a rabbit or a pedophile.
She said, no, I didn't.
So they said, okay, well, can we take it then and get it tested to see if it was from a rabbit

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or a pedophile?
And she said, no.
And you need to get off my property right now.
So they left.
However, Sergeant Gallagher was like absolutely not.
And when he went back to the precinct, he got an in writing search warrant to search the
exterior of the house.
So on the morning of March 25th, they went out to search the house.

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They took several items and this time she can't stop them because look, here's your warrant.
Hand you the paper, stick it to your face.
I don't know where you want it, but move out of my way, ma'am.
They took items that she couldn't stop them from.
And then they interviewed Sheila and she had to sign to consent to the search of her
else.
She had no choice.
And then, when they arrived, they found her kneeling in front of the burn-pitched, covered

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in ash.
And this time, the bone was nowhere to be found.
She did, however, hand over a 38-calibre handgun and a suicide note.
Her suicide note.
Quote.
We had asked her if she had any other weapon.
She said, no.
She exposed her breast to show as she had no weapons.
It was very, very strange.

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I ain't got no weapons.
See?
I said, how did I not know to hear either?
What?
That's so crazy.
So after they were like, OK, ma'am, please cover those things up.
They asked her, what happened to Kenny?
You said he left.
I saw a bone in the fire pit.
Bone is missing now.
What happened to Kenny?

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So she pointed to a small bag that was sitting on a lawn chair not far from them and said,
quote, he's in that bag.
Sergeant Gallagher said, quote, when we looked in the bag, it appeared to be full of
bone fragments.
What the frick, man?
So now the place is a crime scene.
Everybody came out now.

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States, major crime units, local, everybody came out.
And they started searching everywhere on the property.
And after flushing the septic tank, they found something crazy.
A birth certificate.
What is a birth certificate doing in your septic tank, ma'am?

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Not only that, this is not your name.
This is not Kenneth's name.
Who else do you think?
Who do you think it was?
Who do you think it was?
Y'all's jaw is going to drop.
The name on the birth certificate said Michael Delage.
Do you remember Michael?
So of course, they took Sheila in for questioning.

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In March 27, 2006, she was interviewed by Sergeant Robert Esterbrook and chief Gregory Dodge
of the Epping Police Department.
During the interview, she talked to them about the events of March 24th when they were at
her property.
She told officers that when she got home, she found the police were already there and she
said, she said, she just let them inside my house.

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I gave them no problems.
I just said, come on in.
She said one of the officers was carrying a firearm, but she didn't know why.
I'm just a little old lady.
I didn't just let you in the house.
Why is he carrying a weapon?
But I figured it was his choice and I let him look around.
She told them that after she was living with Kenneth, he told her that he was a pedophile.

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He just came out and said, hey, I'm a pedophile.
Quote, he confesses to me that he has raped numerous children and I said you're a pedophile.
So that's the M.O.
of pedophiles.
They usually come out and say, hey, by the way, I've been living with you for two weeks.
I just want to let you know I'm a pedophile.
You're okay with that, right?
In what universe has a pedophile ever admitted that they are a pedophile?

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Are you serious?
Quote, there is no evidence and not even a sliver of an investigation against Kenneth
Coonty for ever being a pedophile.
So the police were like, mm-hmm.
So how about the bones we found in the fire pit at your house?
And she said, quote, I don't have the answer.
I'm only the one being accused.

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So now you're play-doh?
So after they finish questioning her, they let her go.
Dude, are you kidding me right now?
I mean, how much more evidence do you need a bag full of bones?
And you let her go?
So after they let her go, I wanted to do more investigation.
To me, a bag of bones is enough investigation.

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I mean, I'm going to investigate more, but I'm taking her into custody.
That's enough for you to be taken into custody, but hey, I'm not a cop.
So they found even more bone fragments on her property.
They found more knife handles in two more burn pits.
And so the bone fragments they sent off to the University of Maine for testing, quote,

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within a matter of four hours.
It came back that those bone fragments were indeed human, end quote.
So you mean to tell me they weren't rabbits?
I am shocked.
Now inside of the house, they found blood splatter all over the walls and get this.
Some of the blood splatter, some of the stains were fresh.

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Others were old, so old in fact that they were covered with dust.
Quote, literally, there was blood everywhere inside this home.
Dude, all you had to do was go into house when she was like, get off my property.
You could have gone into house.
You could have gotten a search warrant because, look, somebody is complex.
Planing that their son is missing.

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But I guess you have to stay within the confines of the law.
You can't just go into people's house really nearly, so I can't fault them there.
Additionally, they found nearly 1,000 hours of audio recordings of conversations between
Sheila, between Bill, between Kenneth and other men.
So it was Sheila and Will, Sheila and Kenneth, Sheila and whoever.

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On all, well, I don't want to say all.
And most of the recordings, you can hear Sheila chorus and these men to confess their crimes
of child abuse and pedophilia.
On one tape, they heard Sheila question and Kenneth about his "fictional sex crimes."
And he answered and you could tell he was like really uncomfortable with how he answered.

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He answered, quote, yes.
And then after they heard him say yes, they heard him vomiting and crying.
And then saying, why, why, why?
Yeah, does this sound like somebody who committed these acts?
Are you kidding me?
So they went off to question her neighbors, you know, people who see them on a daily basis.
And they told her, they told them that Sheila was often seen in the company of different men

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after Bill died.
They saw, you know, she was always with some other dude.
And actually in reality, if you go back and check the evidence, she was with other men
while he was still alive.
She was just always with other men.
Quote, neighbors had called about odd behavior.
Seeing men go down to the farm and then would see them being dropped off by Sheila at the end

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of the driveway, sometimes with bruises and markings on their body.
And nobody went to check this out.
The neighbors were calling it in.
What's going on here?
Among one of the people that the neighbors mentioned was 37 year old Michael Delage.
Remember, he hasn't been seen since what 2005?

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Yeah, I just went up in my notes.
He hadn't been seen since the fall of 2005.
So investigators found recordings from even Michael, like I said, and on the recordings,
he's accusing his mother of abuse.
Quote, if it wasn't for Sheila, I wouldn't know half the things I know.
I'm pretty sure he was just saying this to stop whatever she was doing to him.

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It's not like she's a cycle.
There's no way she was saying this so that she would stop whatever she was doing to him.
So then they called Michael's mother to find out, hey, have you seen Michael?
Is he there with you?
This is when they found out that Michael hadn't been heard from in some years.
And his mother told the police that she was worried that Sheila was trying to kill him.

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They also told them that in February of 2005, they received a letter from Sheila's
address from Michael, or supposedly from Michael, telling them not to contact them that they
were just being a loving couple and we don't want to hear from you all anymore.
So when they did try to contact him next, Sheila answered the phone and said, oh, he left.

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Does that sound familiar to you?
Everybody leaves.
Every time they want to get in contact with their loves one, they left seriously.
So on March 31, 2006, finally, an arrest warrant was issued for Sheila La Bar on charges of
first degree murder.
However, since she let her walk out of the place, even though she had a bag of bones sitting

(41:31):
there and she said stuff that like that's either a rabbit or a pedophile, they had to search
for her because what?
Shockingly, she left town.
She basically had withdrawn thousands of dollars in cash from her bank and booked it out
of town.
I'm shocked.
I thought she was going to sit there and wait to be arrested.
So they found her by April 4th.

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It wasn't a long search and they arrested her.
Basically, they found her after receiving a tip from someone in Reverse, Massachusetts,
saying that there's this woman.
She doesn't look exactly like y'all are saying she looks, but she looks similar because why?
Because you let her go.
She skipped town, took out thousands of dollars in cash because you forgot she's rich, changed

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her appearance.
She cut her hair.
She dyed it red and went to Reverse, Massachusetts.
Like anybody could have seen that coming.
While they're searching for her, you know, they're still looking on this form because remember
how big it is.
Guess what they found?
They found three human toes and after forensics, they found out that neither one of these

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toes belonged to Kenny or Michael.
Who the bloody, how many more?
On April 25th, 2006, the court ruled that there was probable cause to support the charge
of first degree murder for Kenneth.
Now, before her trial started, Sheila started asking to suppress the physical evidence that

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was seized from her property.
Before the trial even started, she's already trying to suppress evidence.
Why?
She said that police entered her house on both February 24th and March 24th and violated
her state and federal constitutional rights to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures

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because they entered without a warrant.
Woman, you had a bag of bones sitting on the front of your lawn.
You also had a burn pit with a bone in it that had flesh on it and you said, and I quote,
"It's either a pedophile, there is either a rabbit or a pedophile."

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Are you serious?
Your constitutional rights were violated?
I'm pretty sure that people you murdered because there's three toes that doesn't even belong
to these other two people that they're saying that you murdered.
I'm pretty sure these people had constitutional rights.
Who in the bloody F cares about your rights, ma'am?

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I'm just wondering.
In her lawyer, the balls, her lawyer submitted that paperwork.
Can you imagine?
Ah, one of these days, that interview is coming.
Maybe they don't answer me because they don't want me to interview them.
Maybe they know that I'm going to ask these questions and I'm not going to listen to the
bullshit.

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Maybe that's why I'm not getting responses from my request to interview a lawyer who will
support somebody who's blatantly guilty at heinous crimes such as this one.
Or maybe they know they can just sue me.
Maybe I'll say a one wrong thing and they'll sue the shit out of me.
I don't know.
What are the two?
So after a two-day evidentiary hearing, the court said, "No."

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They said that they went on your property legally, quote, "Police neither entered nor searched
to defend them's home on February 24th.
The police did not violate the defendant's constitutional rights and the court also found
that the community caretaken and emergency aid doctors justified the March 24th entry.

(45:12):
So ma'am, you shut down and you get ready for your trial."
The court also said that, quote, "The defendant freely, knowingly and voluntarily consented
to the search of her home."
Ma'am, shut up.
So on September 19th, 2006, she was formally indicted on one count of first degree murder

(45:33):
for the death of Kenneth Coney.
However, on February 12th, 2008, she decided to change her plea.
She entered a non-negotiative plea of not guilty by reason of insanity and then filed a
notice of insanity defense.
Are you kidding me?

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At the same time, she waived indictment and pled not guilty by reason of insanity to first
degree murder for the death of Michael Delage.
Ma'am, this sounds like you're getting ahead of the case.
Does this sound like an insane person to you?
Somebody who is using chess moves to win a case?
This sounds like insanity to you?

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Because it doesn't, to me, it sounds like manipulation and somebody who knows exactly what
the F they're doing.
But you know, good try.
I applaud you.
Good try.
On May 5th, 2008, jury selection began and on May 13th, 2008, that's when the trial started.

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Now before opening statements, the jury was taken to see some of these locations where all
of this stuff happened.
So they went to the Walmart and they went to the farm.
They were able to walk through the farm and see what was going on.
There's one of them to see also the proximity from the store to the farm.
Now while on the farm, people watched Sheila and she literally just sat there and watched

(47:01):
the jury walk around.
However, when they went back to the bus to go to the next site, she threw her head back and
started crying serial killer tears.
"Mah, 'cause we're so sad for you."
Now for the defense, what they were trying to do was to show that Sheila suffered from
both a mental disease and the murders were the product of the illness.

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Good luck with that.
I guess she started to try and act crazy now.
Her lawyers argued that she was a delusional woman who believed every man in her life was
a pedophile and who saw herself as an Avenger basically.
But the prosecution countered that she was, quote, "crued, manipulative, cruel and vindictive."

(47:45):
And I agree with all four of those adjectives.
They said she violently lashed out at men she dated and she is not mentally ill.
Dr. Albert, I, ooh, I don't know how to say this name.
Dr. Albert, okay, drug, tien, nis, drug tiennis, I think, DRU, K-T-E-I-N-I-S.

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Who was the state's forensic pathologist testified that he thought in his professional,
I'm a doctor, opinion, Sheila was sane.
And he said this based on reviewing more than 8,000 pages in the case files.
He interviewed Sheila three times, totaling that he spent more than 12 hours with her.

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He said she has an obsession with pedophilia, she has intense anger issues, and she's paranoid,
which put all this together are signs of mood and personality disorders that are severe
enough to cause her to be psychotic at times, but that's still not enough evidence to show
that she has a mental illness which would cause her to commit the crimes that she committed.

(48:57):
Quote, she answered questions well, she tried to explain evidence a way that made her look
bad.
This is not what someone sees over many hours in a person who is psychotic.
And Quote, that's what I'm saying.
That's exactly what I said.
This does not sound like an insane person, it sounds like a manipulative person who knows
exactly what they're doing.

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So then they played this interview that was between Sheila and the doctor, I'm not going
to try and say his last name, they played this in court.
And Sheila said that she was driven to kill Michael because, so she admitted to killing him
because he was quote hurting and killing her animals.

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And then they played another tape and in this tape, she said that Kenneth's death quote was
an accident and that she cremated him not to cover up a crime but to keep his mother from
ever seeing the body again.
Well, if it wasn't to cover up a crime when the cops came there then you should have said,
yeah, I killed him and I cremated him.

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That is his bone right there.
So if you didn't do it to cover up a crime, why were you still covered in up a crime?
In addition to those recordings, jurors also heard the thousands of hours of recordings
from Sheila and the men that she was interrogating and then Malcolm Rogers who's a forensic psychologist
and he decided to testify for the defense came and said basically those tapes, quote, illustrated

(50:23):
that La Bar either has a schizophrenic effect disorder or a delusional disorder which in turn
caused her to mistakenly believe that men were pedophiles and to kill them.
And quote, he also went back and said that as she said quote, La Bar believes that she
once died of a drug overdose but she was sent back to earth with special powers which

(50:46):
explains the grandiose manner in which she speaks on the tapes.
And quote, so then they brought the police officers to the stand and was like, why didn't
y'all do something before? Why did you not see that, you know, all of this was really weird
and they said that she didn't act any different.
Out around Kenny's death, she didn't act any different from normal.

(51:09):
She was always calling them and complaining.
She would even write and complain.
Literally they had a term for her.
She was quote, a regular.
They always had to go out to her farm and fix whatever that she said was going around
with somebody hit her, somebody disappeared, somebody did somebody that.
So he said there was literally no difference in her demeanor when all this was going on.

(51:33):
She always acted like this.
So also defense wanted to question Sergeant Gallagher and they would add they asked him about
Sheila switching from topic to topic when talking to him and when she was writing her letters.
They also wanted to focus on March 25th when they were talking to her before they got the

(51:54):
search warrant to search her home.
How was she responded to them?
Basically, he said that she didn't respond to like the questions.
She didn't respond directly to the questions that would be asked.
She would literally bring up other topics or just try and sway the conversation away from
the question that they asked.
And then the defense was like, right, right, right.

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She would often lose focus of what's being asked of her, right?
She was losing focus.
So this is what the defense is trying to push towards.
And the officer was like, no, I'm more felt like she was trying to manipulate the conversation
and take control of the conversation and not answer our questions.
That's what I'm more felt.
Quote, the way I would characterize it is she was nervous and she was changing what she would

(52:38):
say to me during a conversation, appearing to me like she was trying to throw the interview
off.
Every time I tried to ask a question relevant to the disappearance of Kenneth Kunti, it
was my opinion that Miss LeBarr was trying to thwart the questions or manipulate the interview.
That quote came from officer Wallace.
So then the defense was like, okay, okay, okay, but you have to agree that the way she tried

(53:02):
to dispose evidence by burning bones, burning mattresses and everything like that right there
on her front door was kind of crazy, right?
If her change in her appearance, you know, was changing it from brown or whatever to bright
red, that's kind of crazy.
So this shows you that she's insane, right?

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To which I personally, if I was a judge, would be like, how in the frick do you call?
Okay.
So you're telling me that the fact that she died her hair, but because she didn't die
it from blonde to black or from blonde to brown or something like that, but a bright red,

(53:43):
that's insanity.
Really?
Or that she was stupid enough to burn these things right outside her front door, that's
insanity, not just making dumb decisions.
Please, please sit down.
I don't know where you got your license from, but sit down.
Now, funny thing is, since she had already admitted that the state could prove her guilty

(54:04):
of two counts of first degree murder before she decided to change her plea, her plea to
not guilty by reason of insanity, because she had already did that.
The jury's only task during this trial, which was a five week trial, was trying to figure
out if she was insane at the time of the murder in 2005 of Michael and if she was insane

(54:29):
at the time of the murder in 2006 of Kenneth.
That was their only task.
They had nothing else to do because she had already said, yeah, you could prove me guilty
of two counts of first degree murder and the state said, all right, but we proved it.
So now, jury, you have to just find out if she was insane in 2005 and 2006.
That's it just at those times.

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On June 20th, 2009, the jury returned his verdict after about 13 hours of deliberations.
The jury said she was sane and guilty of both of the charges.
Family members of the victims who were in the court burst into applause.
Quote, this is for my son.

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That's what Kenneth's mother said.
One of her defense lawyers, Jeffrey Denner, said that he plans to file an appeal.
File away, sir.
Quote, it continues to be our belief that she's deeply crazy and insane.
We also understand there's a huge amount of emotion in this case that clouds that issue.
Are you serious?
There's not a huge amount of emotion in this case.

(55:36):
There's also common freaking sense that you, sir, seem to lack.
So he filed his little appeal on the appeal.
He said the defendant does not challenge the police entry onto her property on February
24th.
That's funny because initially before the trial began, you were challenging that.
Now you're not.
She said that during the trial, however, the trial court aired in finding the officer's

(55:59):
actions on March 24th were justified, were justified under either the community care
taken or emergency aid exceptions to the one.
Okay.
So this quote, insane person is going through some antics now.
She's so crazy that she's, she's picking up on little, are you serious?
And we're supposed to believe she's insane.

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She also challenges the findings that she voluntarily consented to the officers entries into
her home and basically just a bunch of little semantics about them searching her house.
This was the appeal.
Really?
This is supposed to be an insane person who doesn't understand reality from fiction, but

(56:42):
she can pick up all these little things here and there.
She knew to do this before trial started after trial.
She said, okay, okay.
I don't challenge it.
However, if you look at this word here, it says hair to fourth instead of butt.
And if you look at this word here, it says thus instead of bustle.
So this is out.

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We can't go, are you serious?
Anyway, the court said no.
Sit your ass in jail.
You get life without the possibility of parole, FU ma'm.
That's what I would say if I was a judge.
And what Kenny's mother said was, quote, Sheila Lebar took advantage of my son who was kind,

(57:26):
caring, gentle young man who could not socially defend himself.
She was a master of evil who deliberately tortured him.
Sheila Lebar stripped my son of all his dignity and self worth and in the end she murdered
him.
She then did what I do not even blame her for for doing.
She accused the Epin police department of negligence.

(57:49):
Basically when they saw him in the Walmart, how he was bruised, burned in a wheelchair,
not his hand not working properly, can't even walk.
They did no further investigation.
If he was in a car accident, they literally could have just looked that up and found out
if there was a car accident in their location, they did not do that.

(58:11):
They allowed her to leave with him.
They allowed her to tell them that they can't talk to him even though according to them,
he was legally an adult.
They listened to her.
They did not follow up.
And so she said, at you, I'm suing you and she brought up a lawsuit against the two police
officers who had seen them in the store.

(58:33):
However, her lawsuit was rejected in 2010, which was very sad because I completely, completely
agree with her lawsuit.
Also, I want you all to note after we wrap up today that when she was arrested, there was
also speculation that she'd killed Bill.
And of course, she said she didn't.

(58:54):
But I mean, you said you didn't do anything with Kenneth and Michael either.
So based on what are we believing you, ma'am?
And that is the episode of serial killer Sheila.
And I don't even want to say La Bar because she wasn't even married to that man.
She just decided to take his name.
And I'm pretty sure that his children do not want her to have his name.

(59:18):
So I am not going to sell his name anymore by calling her by his last name.
So that is the case of Sheila Bailey, the serial killer who killed all these poor men and
was literally allowed to do it for years.
What did y'all think about that case?

(59:40):
You heard all what I had to say throughout the case because I have nothing else to add.
That was an insane case.
The ins and outs.
Oh my god.
I want to hear from you.
And because I want to hear from you and most of y'all like doing polls, even though in the
last couple episodes, y'all haven't been answering the polls.
What gives?
Let me know.
Seriously, give me some commentary.
Let me know if y'all like the polls or if you don't like the polls.

(01:00:02):
Should I stop doing the polls?
What?
What's going on?
What's going on?
I'm trying to work with you here.
What I'm going to do is put out a poll today on if you were a juror, would you have said
that she was insane based on all the evidence, based on everything you heard here, based
on they went on the farm, they looked around.

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So I gave you an audio visual of going on the farm and looking around based on all of
that.
If you were a juror, would you have found her insane, not guilty by way of insanity or
would you have found her guilty and sentenced her to life in prison?
So that is your poll question.
You can get the poll question on Spotify, but if you don't want to answer the poll question,

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but if you like listening to this on any other platform, you could literally just answer
in the comments below.
You could say not guilty or guilty.
That's great too.
And speaking of polls, let me go through your poll questions and your comments from the
last episode, which was Canada's youngest multiple murderer and it was the case of Jasmine

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Richardson.
So in the poll, the question was, do you think the blame should 100% be on Jeremy or was
it correct to give Jasmine part of the blame?
Because remember, I had read comments online that people were blaming Jeremy and saying
that he manipulated Jasmine and everything like that.
So that was the question.
And 100% of y'all said Jasmine is to blame too, which I agree with.

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And then your comments, Latoya Lynette says, quote, I think Jasmine got off too easy.
I feel like she set the plan in motion and should have had a longer sentence.
Then again, she has to live the rest of her life knowing she killed her family.
Yes, she does have to live the rest of her life knowing she killed her family, but she's
also living the rest of her life in an amenity and out in freedom.

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So there's that, but I do agree with you Latoya.
So that is all I have for you.
If you want your comments heard on air, please go ahead and leave your comments below or you
could just go ahead and answer the poll.
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