Love4oneanother episode 7

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome back, y'all. This is Jeff Luna and the Love
for one Another Podcast. I want to welcome you back
to this wonderful journey through music life and how we
navigate through it all together. No, we do not talk
about hate here, but we do not act like we
are blind to those amongst us filled with hate. So

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strap yourself in as we take this musical journey and
learn to have love for one another. Hey, what's up everybody?

(01:10):
This is Jeff. I'm live on Facebook and I'm also alive.
Actually I'm recording live to my podcast if you guys
can hear me, and that's why I'm set up a
little bit different with headphones and stuff. So this will
probably air on love for one another. It's a tough subject,

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so I wasn't sure which one I was going to
do this on it and I don't know how long
it's gonna go, so hopefully not too long because I
got stuff to do. So anyway, man, what tough times
we're in, right, What tough times and in a tough situation.
Because let me start off by saying, in no means

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by uh, as long as I feel. And here's the
thing that we've got to take in consideration. These are
my feelings, and I represent nobody else but myself to
as do everybody else so and will lead into this
in a minute, but my personal feelings is that no

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matter what anybody says or does, especially when they're just speaking,
whether you like it or not, whether it's a divisive
or not, by no means should anybody lose their life.
That's the way I feel it shouldn't be. We can't
turn in which I can't say we can't turn into
this because I think we already are, but we shouldn't

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be making those decisions right about how we handle something
we don't like, something we don't care for, something we
feel maybe really bad or this country and for the people.
If we don't like it and we don't agree with it,

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then either you don't participate, you don't watch it. If
you want to debate it, which I feel there's a
lot of things to be said with the way that
this particular person was running his debates, then you try
and debate it or you talk about it like we're
doing here. But in no means should we resort to
violence of that sort ever. Ever, that's my opinion. You know,

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Like I said, people might not agree, and some people
may agree even more, you know, but violence, you know,
the more we keep allowing and letting violence be the answer,
the more it's going to manifest itself into something greater.
And I think some people might want that. I think

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some people are scared of that. Some people feel it's coming.
But the more we say it's okay, then the more
it's going to happen. This isn't the way we should
be if we listen to my show. Even though I
come on here sometimes and talk about things. Like I said,

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a lot of the stuff that I put or post
is not I'm not making it up. I'm just relaying
what's happening, and I don't agree with it. So you know,
some people don't like it. Whatever, what can I do
about that? I'm going to say how I feel. And
the reason why I come on is to try and say, look, look,
we don't need to be dividing even more than we

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already are. We're divided nation in more ways than this.
We've been divided since the beginning. Oh, so we're headed
down a path that's even growing. It's growing, we feel it,
we see it. It's getting worse, and things like this
Instead of looking at it like, you know, from what

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I've seen and some people I expect it from. You know,
his wife was saying some stuff, and that's his wife.
What are you gonna say? Sounds sounds a little bit,
you know, but in her mind, you know, you just
took a person that whatever they could be two saying
people or too crazy people. It doesn't matter. When you

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take somebody's significant other way the way that this happened,
then they're gonna say some stuff. So I don't hold
nothing against so I think it. You know, we gotta
be careful with that. Here's the thing. You gotta be
careful with these things because some things get said and
especially by people in leadership, and people follow it they
feel like, yeah, now's the time because of what they're saying,

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and then they take it even more extreme and start
talking about about giving special honors and this and that,
and a lot of people don't agree with that, and
then there's a lot of people that do whatever's gonna
happen is gonna happen. See, we can, we can complain
about it, we can be upset about it or whatever,

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but as you've seen, whatever's going to happen is gonna happen,
and you know, I think it's getting tough because the
tensions growing. The tension is growing, and it's leading to things.
The tragedy like what happened. Somebody's life was taken. Man,

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I don't care. I didn't like the dude. I'll tell
you right now. I know I like. I listened to him,
Whether you guys know it or not, I listened to
a lot of these things, the stuff I don't agree with,
I listened to it because I want to know about it.
And I watched the debates, if you want to call
them debates, because I think a lot of times, in

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particular situations, some people he debated with and some people
he just wanted to get his point across and make
it look like the debate, which is fine. You let
the people talk and you're gonna say what you want
to say. It's your forum. He's the one doing it,
and a lot of people liked them. You know, a
lot of people didn't like him. Whatever I didn't like him,

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I didn't like his is if you guys have noticed,
one of the reasons why I don't like certain people
what they say is because it's divisive. It's very divisive.
If you don't believe in their way, then we divide
and you're wrong and there's no other option. You're just wrong.
And if you let somebody try and talk and you

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cut them off, and you cut them off and you
just put your point across and you're really not debating,
you're just trying to make your point stronger of what
you feel. You know. But whatever, whatever he did, he
did it, and I'm you know, what can I say
about it? I just like I said, I make my
point clear. I'd agree with it. But should his life
have been taken? No way? No way, man, no way,

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because that leads to more We're not here. We're not
here to be the judge and execution, even though we
see that kind of going on with things that are
happening to certain people where they're just grabbing people off
streets and doing this and that, and they're playing judge and
execution out in the street and recently someone was killed,

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which is where we're headed. Right. The more this stuff happens,
the more it's going to lead to more tragedy in
the in the disguise of law and order. And so, no,
I don't agree with what happened to him. I don't,
and then it happened, you know, in front of a

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lot of people. So of course that image is going
to be played over and over and it's whether whatever
people think. See, you got something that happened, and it's
going to be a traumatic memory in people's lives. Everybody
handles things different. It happened to be out of college,
so you got a lot of people with growing minds,
and it's going to be a lasting memory, just like

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we had in the past. Now, in the past it's
been with the political figures. Some might argue that he
was a political figure. No, he was a public figure
that spoke about politics, right, so he wasn't a city
politician or something like that. So, but the things that
have happened in the past, You've had a bunch of

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things that have happened in the past in front of
people and left a lasting memory, a lasting tragic, traumatic
thing that happened in our lives that you remember, and
you're like, man, I remember that I was doing this
or that when it happened. But let's not confuse it

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because every time I come back, I tell you need
some water or something. Let's not confuse it with trying
to put forgetting what what his mindset was. It was
very decisive, man, I'm telling you, you know, And that's

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fine if that's what he wasn't a politician, he was
a public figure. And you can say what you want,
like this is what we're so bold to be doing,
Like you make it really good for him to be
able to say what he wanted to say and put
him on a pedestal. But then when other people try
and talk, not around him or whatever, but other public figures,
we want to knock him down and not give them

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and claim, well, he had a freedom to say what
he wanted to do or she or whatever. So there's
always these differences. These differences you get one person doing
one thing and something happens and they're automatically. I couldn't
tell you the levels were going to on how to

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celebrate this person. Then you have another person that might
have been talking and the freedoms that they have, and
we want to just step on him and step on
him because certain people didn't agree with it or whatever.
We don't all have to agree. I don't agree with
this dude at all. Should that have happened? No, I'm
going to keep saying that, should he be put on

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this pedestal. Now I don't think so, but he did
have a follow out. You know, what can you do, Like,
if you take somebody that's talking or somebody in a
public figure or whatever, whether you agree or not, if
they have people that listen to them, if they have
people that follow them, then you got to respect that
to a point. But when it's hatred and division and
stuff like that, and I know people aren't going to

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agree with that, but and you know, I've heard, like
I've heard some decent conversation, but it always led to
the same thing. It always led to the same thing.
If you really pick apart things that were being said,
it was a lot of division. It was a lot
of like judgment. You know, there's a lot of judgment.

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And for as religious as he says he was, I
just don't understand the judgment in anybody you take. You
give me anybody that claims religion in the judgment, why
is the judgment there the judgment of others in the
strict like man, you crossed that line. It's like no, no,
I don't even Like there's times I saw where where

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you just I don't believe you. I don't believe anything
you're saying, and that was it. That was the end
of the conversation. It's like, come on, man, if you're there
to debate as much as crazy as I think you
might be, and I don't agree with you, and I
don't believe you, I know, not even just gonna shut
you off like that if I'm trying to debate with you,
If that's the goal is to debate with you, I
have plenty of people that I see that I don't

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agree with it, but I don't just you know, I
just don't believe you and shut you off. And that's it,
you know, But whatever, I mean, we're all different, you know.
So I think we're headed down a weird path. I
think we gotta be careful. Remember that, like be careful,

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things can easily change. We're not We don't have to
be this. It's hard to say because I'm saying we
don't have to be, but yet we are. We don't
have to be divided. We don't have to be this
nation of this site and that side. But we are right.

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How do we change that? How do we change that?
It doesn't happen overnight. We have an opportunity right now,
We have an opportunity to see something so traumatic happen
in the world to some to other people that probably
could care less should know that one side has a

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deep feeling of it. Do I agree with it? No?
But do I want to condemn the people that feel
that this is something traumatic in their life? I mean,
you know, it's a tough thing because once you shut
them off, now you've shut off. We're divided again. We're
back to the division. So how do we listen and say,

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I don't agree with you, but you're still a person,
you still have feelings. How do we connect again? How
do we reconnect as people? Right? Because we're not connecting
at all, We're not I've seen people calling for wanting

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the division. Man, just like this was the moment that
we're waiting for. Why what is it that you're looking for?
What is it that you're trying to do that you're
trying to create a situation that divides us even more.
The idea as soon as it happened was we were

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we not say we, but there was people out there
that wanted it to be a certain demographic of people.
They were like one dude was saying, is praying for it? Now?
He might have been like, oh God, I hope it's
not my people, you know, But that's usually something you
say in your own you know, you don't come out
and say that like jeez, I hope man, please, you know,

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But then who are you hoping it for it to be.
It's got to be the immigrant, it's got to be
the brown bird's got to be this person. It's because
we've demonized it. We've demonized anybody that's from somewhere else.
Apparently we're just everybody right because we feel if you're

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if you're not brown, than you were automatically from here.
So everybody's from somewhere. And here we are with this
really strong feeling that it had to be this boogeyman
type of a person. And it wasn't me personally. I waited,

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I waited. I want to see what happened. And it
wasn't to blame somebody, it was just to see what happened.
We didn't have all the inform I've seen shows where
people are talking about there like I already knew. They
already knew. And that's the sad part. Man, Why is it?
The anticipation for it to be something other than what

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it was was so great. And I think a lot
of that has to do with because we've been that's
been in our face constantly, been punched into our face
every day, that if something bad happens, it's got to
be a brown person, a black person. It's got to
be somebody from another country. It's got to be an immigrant,
it's got to be an illegal alien. It can't be

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an American. Americans never do nothing wrong. And then when
something happens, and then we kind of quiet that down.
But why were we looking for the division? Why was
that the first thing we're trying to find was that
dividing piece of the pie. Instead, it's just going, oh

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my god, this, I can't believe that happened, And why
did they shoot? You know, you know, I don't like
the dude. I don't agree with them. I wouldn't follow,
I wouldn't buy none of his merchandise or whatever or listen.
But but my god, no, you know, we shouldn't be
out there, you know, nobody should be hurting people. There
should be no killing. There should be knowing, not when

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somebody's just trying to speak, you know, And and I
do see a lot of the you know, while he
spoke a lot of hatred and stuff like that. Yeah,
he did, he did. Does anybody deserve to be killed? No?
I don't think so, ma'am. That's not the way. You know,
I have some traumatic stuff that tappen, and that's when

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law and orders should be you know, hey, you know
you don't. I didn't have to do that. So so
here we are, here we are and dividing even more so,
how do we get to a point where we stopped
the divis And I don't see I don't see it happening.
Do I wish it would happen? Yes? Yes, you know,

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because people I've been around groups of people of many demographics,
all having a great time together, this enjoying life. I've
seen it. I'm sure we've all seen it, right, all
been part of it somehow. But where does that hatred

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grow to? Where it changes to where it changes into
something different? Man, something so bad, something so bad that
we just can't stand each other? You know. So a
lot of things are being said, and I've been watching it,
watching it, watching it every day, a lot of things

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being said, a lot of things being said before you
even knew, and a lot of things by leaders that
should watch what they say. Because whether we like it
or not, people listen to them. You know, we might
not some people might not listen, be like, man, that's
a nut. And then there's other people that are just like, yes,
he said that, and I knew it, And then they
feel it and it's deep in their heart that yes,

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I knew it was and and take it to another
level when you talk to when you have a group
of people that listen to you, that are in the
millions in half the country or more, and you say

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certain things, then there's got to be a responsibility behind
what you say. There should be always when there's something
that happens, you should be trying to bring people together.
You don't divide the people. The division leads to more hatred,
to more traumatic things that are going to happen if

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we can't stop it. The we need to stop it
within ourselves and be like, you know what. You may
like the dude for some reason, but why is he
saying the things he's saying. When is that going to
trigger something to just say damn, I don't agree with that.
I don't agree with dividing more. Why are we like

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I know people I know people that happen to like
a certain way or certain politics or something. That doesn't
mean that they're the enemy. They can feel what they want.
I don't care that that's their life. You don't. It
doesn't have to turn into a hatred to where you

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want you want something bad to happen or okay, or
be like why they brought it upon themselves? And see,
we see it every day that it creates you when
you create something like immigration, and then you see somebody
being torn from their family, and you say, well, while
they brought it upon themselves. That leads to the next thing,

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the next traumatic thing that's going to happen. And then
we get back to that same excuse, while they brought
it upon themselves and the next traumatic thing. See, you
get desensitized to wait a minute, it's still wrong, and
we hide behind law and order, and we hide behind
instead of thinking morals and what's right and what's wrong

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and what we should try to do to inspire to
be a better person, to be a better uh, to
bring humanity back together, you know, to start understanding that
we are not We may think differently, but we're all
the same people. We may have different ideals, but we're
all still the same people. And we're so detached from that.

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It's almost like an alien like you feel like there's people,
how where do they come from? Man? Because this isn't right,
that something's wrong, but we're still the same. We need
to get back to wanting to come together as people
instead of being so separated and divided. And you know
we all have we're not as a conscious person, you know,

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we don't we're not robots. We don't all follow in
line and think the same and this and that right,
but we're still human beings. We're still doesn't matter where
you come from, what color you are, what raised anything,
We're still all the same. But we got this division
to think like there's something there's because they're from somewhere
else that that changed them somehow. And as soon as

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they cross the line, and we want to try and
act like if they crossed it us with the paper,
that all of a sudden that makes them this great person.
If they cross it without the paper, see all that's
just the vision division. Division. And we've become desensitized too.
There's a lot of people fighting it, don't get me wrong,
but we see it so much and see how people
are making it okay that you rise to the next

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level of what you're going to be okay with, especially
in the treatment of other people. You know, can't take
away from from from somebody just because we don't care
for it. It's a weird thing to say, right if

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somebody creates a movie we got we've got a lot
of this going on. You got people that are on
the radio that I don't agree with it all, and
they're on there with millions of listeners and been there
for years, and you're like, man, this is just nutty.
I can't believe it. But they're there. They're there, and
they're saying the things they're saying, and they're you know,
so so what do we do? Just get mad about
it and then try and let something like this happen

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to that particular person. Now, you don't want nothing like
that to happen, but you speak about it, right, We
should be able to speak about it like I am
right here today. I'm like, man, gotta cut that division
thing and try and get back to coming together. And
it's I don't see it happening anytime soon, but I
want it to happen. I would love to see some
something just you know, the only thing is to bring

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people together. Unfortunately is usually war, and it's usually not
against ourselves, but should it be a bit against somebody else?
You know, it don't lead to nothing positive, It don't
lead to nothing good. We did just add nine to
eleven go by, and that changed, right, It turned into

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a topic about something else, because something could happened that
day or was it the day before? Was it that day?
But the conversation changed from never forget to now we're
you know, we're somewhere else. But if you take nine
to eleven, that happened and it drew the nation together.

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If you were around at the time and everybody came
together and everybody's waving their flag and putting the flags
on the cars and all this and that, and it
was go get them. But what did that lead to?
I'm not gonna get into all that. But what did
it lead to? It didn't lead to nothing positive. You know,

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something happens traumatic and is that the thing that draws
people together is war? When we got to get to
a point where we can be drawn together for something good?
What is it? What is it? The last time I
remember seeing everybody holding hands across America was a Coca

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Cola commercial. You know, what is it that we're looking for.
What is it that's going to bring people together? Because
I don't think it's religion right now, And that's the
sad part. It should be religion, but religion separates us
even more unfortunately. Right now, it's almost like they're looking

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for something to feel is a religious somebody's here. This
form of person was here, and there's this greatness and
and and everything that that person happened to display was
to divide people. It wasn't to bring people together. But

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put that aside. Put whatever his discussions were aside, instead
of looking at religion. And if you take almost any religion,
you know, and there was always morals of doing good
and being a good person and loving your neighbor and
loving the people around you. And if you just took

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that and everybody focused on that, then maybe we could
be a better society. Right If you took the basics
of religion just you don't have to have it could
be any religion mostly and I don't care what you
say about certain religions. There's the basis is to be

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bring people together and to do good. So if you
took just that and the majority of the world, or
even in this nation, or even in the state, or
even in your neighborhood or just amongst your own family,
and said, I'm just gonna do good. Let's be good
people and stop judging others, love each other, love your neighbor.

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And you took those little basics and you just live
that life and stop looking at people like there's some
lunatic running around before you know them, and just say
that's another person. I can move on with my day.
Then you can probably accomplish that. Then you take you know,
another group of people, do to another group of people,

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and you start focusing on what's important in life, those
around your your immediate family, and take all this other
stuff that's happening and put that aside. I could take
I could go on all day about what I've been seen,
about the division and how hatred and hell, and just
go into what I thought about this person and think

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about that person or what Trump said and this and that.
But what is that going to lead to? What is
it going to lead to? So we need to find
that the other conversation, what's the other conversation? You know?

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The post that I do, it's because it's what's happening,
not making it up. I know some people think I do.
I I would like to argue the point of how
am I making it up? Posting what's happening. It's not
just from one new source, is from every news source.

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The news is funny because the news is the news.
Can't change that. Now people will put a certain spin
on it, either it's right or whatever, but it is
what it is. It's what's happening, you know. But whatever it,
you know, people don't need agree. If I was only
doing this for people to agree with me, then then

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that'd be stupid. So anyway, I just, like I said,
find we need to find some way to come together
stop being the division is coming. I see it growing.
It's growing. Can we get on the other side of that?
Can we You can't stop it. It's going to have
to stop on its own. So you can't stop what's coming.

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But we can rise above it somehow. And it's difficult
because we don't see it right now. You see it
manifesting into something greater and then not good, not great
for good right, something that can be worse. So how
do we rise above it and come together? Stop the division?

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It's a tough thing. So this is just gonna be
I was debating how to do this. Am I gonna
do this just on my podcast or do this live?
I think coming live for a little bit was good
because there's some people that will see it that don't
go to the podcast. If you agree, the air kick
on again. If you agree or you don't agree, let

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me know, let me know so I could talk about it.
You know, I don't need to mention your names. I
really don't like mentioning names. But if there's comments that
we can discuss, and you know, why not and discuss
it in a good way because we need to find
a way to get conversation without the division. And it's

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difficult right now, man, I ain't gonna lie to you.
It's not easy because there's a lot of feelings out
there right now, especially with what we see going on.
You got people that feel a certain way on one
side and people feel certain way on the other side,
and they're just clashing and clashing and clashing, and there's
how do we get around that and say, you know,
wait a minute, what are we doing? But there's true feelings, man,

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there's some deep, deep feelings about a man. You know.
I was seeing people that I've known and and really
feel a certain way about immigration. It's like, but these
are still people, and it's kind of like, well, you know,
but if they just did you know, these are still people,

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Like what are you missing that? These are human beings?
And it's always like a kind of like a got
you type of moment, right well, you know, while you
should have done it. It's kind of like when you're
you know, a kid, and you're like you should have
done this and you should have done that, and you're like, well, yeah,
I probably should have, you know, but here we are,

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and it's almost like a like you want to see
them hurt so they can you get your point across,
and they could feel it's like a lesson learner. We're
gonna teach you a lesson every moment we get a chance,
you know, forgetting all the lessons you've had to learn
over your lifetime. But if we can teach this personal
lesson that don't matter to you, then maybe they'll do

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it this way next time. You know. Meanwhile, their life's destroyed,
you know, but it's okay, Like we make it okay
because you know what, I you know what, and a
lot of it was it turns into like, well, don't worry.
It's gonna it's all work out and you know, and
things will be great. Meanwhile, tragedy is just like it's

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kind of like a building collapsing all around you, but
you got a clear path out of that building and
all this mayhem's going on and the building and people
falling and all kinds of stuff, and you're walking out
and going, don't worry. It's gonna be like in about
five minutes, I'm gonna walk out that door and everything
will be fine and the building will be down, and

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those people's lives, yeah, they're destroyed now, but they'll be
okay later on. You know, maybe they should have walked
followed me down this path. Maybe they should have followed
me out this door. Then wow, it's too bad now,
Oh well, And that's the mentality. Instead of going shit,
maybe I can grab this person along the way and

(33:17):
this person and like, come on and help reach my
hand out and maybe help this guy you know what.
I know, Oh man, it sucks, but you don't take
my hand and let me pull you in closer, and
maybe you can follow me down this path and this
person you know, Oh well, let's try and grab these
people and no, instead of instead, it's this feeling of
like too bad for you walking with the pep in

(33:43):
your step. You know, we've lost it, We've lost the
reaching your hand out, you know, because way just happened
to be better at that time. To shame the shame, Damn,

(34:06):
I already talked there for that long. I do. I
like to do hour long shows on the podcast because
I think nobody wants to listen past an hour unless
you're interesting. And I don't think I'm that interesting, So
I try to keep it at an hour. And I
think I'm getting close. I don't know. Oh no, it's
only been like thirty four minutes. But anyway, like I said,

(34:27):
I wasn't doing this. I'll probably go back in and
add some stuff to the show for the podcast and
add a little bit more to it. But difficult times, man,
difficult times, tensions high, and division everywhere, and we're dividing
even more. And you take they want to call it

(34:48):
a political assassination. You know, what does it matter if
it's called you know, I guess it allows them to
do certain things. Whatever they're gonna do, it they're gonna
do whether we agree or not. And they should have
done it for the this person that should have done
it for that person, and why didn't he do it
for this person? Man, that's a losing conversation because he's
just gonna do what they're gonna do. I saw that

(35:10):
Pete Hesse went to whatever the house name is, went
to a military base or wherever. He went on nine
to eleven talking about this guy got killed and our
shot and I can't believe anywhere else I'd want to
be but here with you. It didn't even add up
to make sense of what he was talking about on
the date when they're supposed to the reason why I

(35:31):
thought he was there was to talk about nine to eleven.
Instead he's you know, and there's something wrong with talking
about both things. You want to mention it, but he
changed the whole thing. It was really strange, man, And
like I said, that's where where you take how people
feel about something, and we're just going to go through

(35:53):
it with him because those are the people in charge
right now. But like I said, you know, my main
point of this conversation, I think, is just to say
that we got to come together somehow. Man. Don't let
this drive you apart. Don't be pulled into it and
pulled into the division to separate us even further, because

(36:14):
every time we separate, we get closer and closer to
something else traumatic happening. Every time you let this separate,
you get into this group, into that group, and the division,
we end up closer to tragedy. The vision doesn't lead
to anything positive. Separation, hatred, division, it doesn't lead to

(36:44):
anything positive. You know, we don't have to agree. Stop
thinking that. Not agreeing as hatred. I don't agree with
certain things that people say. I don't agree with how
they treat certain people. I don't like it. I think
it's terrible. Do I think that that means somebody should

(37:05):
be hurting? No? No, stop getting it mixed up, man,
because this isn't the way the world works. And when
the few things that happen do work like that, it
leads people down the wrong path. You start going down,
going down this path of of nothing but a hateful feeling.

(37:30):
And the more that hateful feeling grows, it just grows.
If you ever see that Ghostbusters movie, was it Ghostbusters too?
And the slime and all that stuff and the New
York's hatred and it grew into you know, it manifested
into this entity and the puffball, stay puffed dude, start
walking around smashing shit. That's a good example. Ridiculous movie,

(37:54):
and I love Ghostbusters, but it gave you a good example.
And then what happened. The city comes together and they
all start singing and life is great and they defeat
the dude? Was it the stave puffed dude? For that one?
It could have been a zoo or whatever it was.
The second, I don't know anyway, I don't want to
get the Ghostbuster people mad, but it's a funny thing,

(38:19):
and that's silly, and people don't want to believe that
that if you just the more positive energy you give off,
the more positive things will happen. If everybody would stop
being so divided and and hating each other, because all
that hatred is going to lead to more. It's just
gonna it's not going down this good, great path. And

(38:41):
that's what you want, But then you gotta stop and
ask yourself, what is your goal? If that's what you want,
what is the what is the end result of a
hateful society? Just because they don't feel the way you
do doesn't mean that they can't exist. But on the
other hand, the ones that whether you're on this side

(39:03):
of that out side of it. If you feel like,
oh my god, but they're just full of hate and
no da da da da, then you gotta start using
your comment, your your brain, your common knowledge to say,
wait a minute, some people are saying that they want
to kill babies, and I mean you got to really
pick apart the stuff and break it down to where
you go, wait a minute, that just doesn't sound right.

(39:25):
Do some research and then kind of come out of
the other side and say, you know what, that was
just nutty. People don't feel that way. People don't believe that.
So we can get past that bs and get back
to saying how do we get come together and be
more positive? Right? So, anyway, if you haven't gone to

(39:47):
my shows yet, if you haven't listened to Love for
one Another, check it out. It's not gonna costion nothing.
Go check it out and see if you like it.
Tell me about it, say man, you know what, that
was dumb? Or say you know what, that's a cool
sho I like it, and spread the word around. I
also have a couple of other shows I have. We
got the jelly Bean Johnson Jellybean's Joint. We did one
show and we're trying to come together at the same time,

(40:09):
so we could do another one. Uh those are those
are always fun, talk about music and life. And and
then I got another one that I started, which is
It's All on the Table, which talk about sports, news,
politics is always there, like it doesn't. I try to
stay because it's it just depends on what's happening in

(40:29):
the news. So but sports, especially football right now, so
there's a lot of football talk. Uh so check it
out and I pat podcasts on iTunes, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Spotify,

(40:50):
Speaker and just spreading it around, you know, So check
out the shows, spread the word and we'll talk to
you guys next time. Hey, you got to show up
for one another. You got to try and get past
this hatred and separation and division and learn how to
come together. Man, even if it's within your own little circle,
come together and start. You know, we got to get

(41:13):
past this somehow. If we see it in our lifetime,
I'll be excited and happy and support it all the way.
So till next time, you guys, take care, show love
for one another in peace, and we are here on.
That was the first one I did like that, which
was live on Facebook, and then still live here on

(41:39):
Love Fore another podcast. I'm going to come back after
taking a break and we'll close out the show and
talk about a couple more things, but we'll talk to
you next time in a few minutes. Take care and
I am back. This is Jeff would love for one
another podcast. Now. We did the live feed which was

(41:59):
yes today the day before, talking about the the stuff
that happened, the tragedy that happened. I'm gonna call it
a tragedy because I do feel in all honesty that
we as people should not be if we don't agree

(42:21):
with somebody with what they say or what they do,
and what they're doing is talking in political sense, or
even when it's in a hateful manner, if it's something
that we just don't agree with, Like man, I don't
like what they're saying, I don't like what they represent.

(42:42):
We shouldn't go and take their lives and do stuff
like that as people. As a people. I'm not talking
about it as me because I wouldn't do that, and
I know I'm pretty sure almost all of you wouldn't
do that, and I hope to god nobody else would.
It's it's not the way we solve our grievances differences.
Part of the thing with with this Charlie guy is

(43:06):
that he did let people talk now to what extent
and what he did with it and how he treated them,
And there's some you know, the more you research it,
Like I said, if you listen to us podcasts and stuff,
there's a lot of stuff that we don't agree with.
And then there's some conversations he got into where he
did give him some time to talk and actually did

(43:27):
start a good conversation about knowing what hees. Here's the
thing that I think is very important, and I'm glad
that he mentioned it, and I wish he would have
done it in more in more sense to know that
if this is what is out there and what is

(43:48):
the truth, then it's okay to say the truth. But
I think he was a strong believer in whatever his
beliefs were, which is what I didn't believe in. So
here I am disagreeing with what he said, and I
can do a show about it and talk about it.
Unfortunately he's gone now, and you know, that's the way
the world. That's what happens, and and but we got

(44:12):
to steer clear from that. Man if we don't agree
with it. Like I said, he he had a platform
and he used it, so good for him. He will
answer for whatever people really needs to answer for and
that and that's the same thing that goes for all
of us. Right, if we want to talk about things
and we want to discuss things, or we want to
push a certain idol out and we want to push

(44:37):
a certain agenda, and you have that mass following of
people to listen to you and the that maybe follow
what you say, then you've got to be responsible. You
got to be responsible and know that just because you're

(44:57):
saying it and you go, well, I don't care, I
don't care. You know, we have this attitude of this
how you feel and too bad and that's it. Yeah,
that's the way you feel. But you're a responsible entertainment
personality and with that comes responsibility. And here's here's the
funny part. Being coming from music and stuff and you

(45:19):
got people to make songs and we don't want you
always find walk that fine line of censoring them, right, censorship,
and been part of that censorship for a long time.
As far as the type of music I listened to
was very provocative. Prince music was always they were always
trying to censor him in w A music, they were

(45:39):
trying to censor it, and it's like, no, they should
have the freedom of speech to put down what they
want to put down in an entertainment series and be
able to express it. And it's up to us as
parents to be the responsible people to know and censor
our child and our children from listening to that type
of music. It shouldn't be up to the artists. So

(46:00):
now we're walking across a new domain of if you
have somebody that holds a big audience of millions of people,
and they're on the radio, they're on the making speeches,
they're on TV, and they're talking about things that could
lead to people thinking that they're certain people are demons,

(46:24):
are they're bad people. They're such bad people, they just
want to kill babies and all this and that, And
you got all that kind of dialogue going on of
putting a certain type of people into this category of
that that they are somehow, that they're somehow bad people,

(46:49):
to where we got to stop them, right And sometimes
I know it's you have different sides of people. You
have the right, you have left, you have the people.
Everybody's just their own person, and they go and speak,
and when they speak, they sometimes they say stupid things,
and those stupid things people will think of it and
they're going to act on it, or maybe they won't.

(47:11):
But then later on somebody's going to come back and say, oh,
look they said this back then, and somebody acted on it.
It's their fault, and it's their fault, and it's this person.
And we want to blame, and we want to point fingers,
and we want to do this and that, to always
blame somebody else. It's got to be somebody else's fault.
It can't be mine, can't be the people I know,
you know, And we fall down that rabbit hole again.

(47:33):
We fall into the judgment of others that it's all
their fault and there was nothing nobody else can do
about it, and it's that they're the reason why people
got hurt. It's a very slippery slope, man. You know
they always talk about guns and a slippery slope. Well,
this is a slippery slope in itself. We want to

(47:55):
be careful what we say, but at the same time,
I want my freedom of speech. We want to be
careful what we do because people might follow you. But
I want also my freedom of speech. So how do
we say the things that we need to say and
yet still keep that freedom of speech. Now we look

(48:16):
at things that might have happened. When you find out more,
wait for the information before we speak about people. This
is why I was quiet for a few days until
they found out who it was and what they're about.
And I'm not here to pass judgment on the person.
The person made a decision, and I believe no, I'll

(48:40):
take those things that might have led to this now
I don't know. I'm not proclaiming to know anything and
past judgment because he will be judged by according to
the law. But when they talk about you know, when
I had my kids, when they were small, I kept

(49:02):
them away from any guns, and I made sure I
didn't have any in the house. I didn't have I
wasn't like living in some bad areas and I just
dealt with stuff myself, and I didn't have a gun
in the house because I was always afraid that somehow,
you know, I was young, we used to have parties
and stuff, and I said, I'm not gonna put myself
in that position to where my kids might get hurt
by finding something. Even if I lock it up. You
never know, just never know. So I never kept something

(49:25):
in the house like that, even though I had grown
up with guns and you know, and knew how to
use them. I but I wasn't a pretty gun user.
So I was like, no, I'm just gonna keep stay
away from that and keep that away from some possibility
of happening. Then you have other people that feel that
they want to teach their kids from when when they're
really small on how to use a firearm, and for

(49:49):
what reason, I don't. I don't, you know, you know,
I'm a different person. Somebody else may have all the
thousand reasons why. But a kid's mind and is not
formed yet to understand fully even if you teach them.
They're a smart kid. But that particular weapon, whatever it
might be, is only one purpose is to take a

(50:11):
life of something. So whether it be hunting, target practice,
or anything, it's all made for eventually taking the life.
So this particular person was actually had been shooting for
a long time. You know, ninety nine percent of time

(50:32):
I would say that nothing would ever happen, and he
might just grow to be a decent human being. But
there's always that one chance that you get somebody that
just you know, something goes wrong and they feel that
they need to act on it, and they just happen
to be trained in weaponry. You know, all my life,
I've been shooting you no good old gramps and Pop
take me out and teach me how to kill a rabbit.

(50:55):
So you know, I'm not gonna just say, well, that's why,
and see and they shouldn't know. You know, people are people.
If you got the right to do it, just let
people have the right to be here or to have
a due process. Then we need to appreciate the right
of the Second Amendment, the same as the right of

(51:17):
the fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the fourth all those
good parts of the Constitution that we're supposed to protect
everybody's rights and people's rights. Anybody that's their feet stand
on this land has the right to do process. And
we can't just take their rights away and then me
sit here and talk about but we need to take
the people that want to teach their kids how to

(51:38):
shoot away until they change something or whatever. But could
have it led to, I don't know, tough discussion, you know.
But at the same time, we are here. We are
here to navigate this situation. How do we get around
it and still love people and understand that as tragic

(52:02):
as this was, as bad of a person we may
feel that he was, we are not his judgment in
the court of law. We might be according to whatever
state you live in, but as far as his life,
we should not be making a decision on our own

(52:25):
in our basement with a rifle to go and act
on it. You know that dude still deserves to be
here with his family and be an idiot if that's
what he was, was just an idiot and spreading hate. Yeah,
you know he deserves to be here. Now. I did
see a lot of things of people saying, you know,

(52:45):
when you spread and here's the thing about the show,
we talk about it all the time, is that the
more you can share and put out the the ara
in your your circle of people, just positive people and
positive happenings in a positive mind, that you're going to

(53:06):
get a positive result. Well, I can understand when people
say he put out a lot of hate speech. And see,
here's the funny thing is that I think to him
it wasn't hate speech. It wasn't like because he felt
strongly about these things. If you listened to him, he
felt strongly about it. So does it hate speech to him?

(53:31):
Is that something that we say, Oh, well, he knew
he was spreading hate speech and he was okay with it.
Maybe he did. I don't know, you know, we don't know,
so so will he be did he bring upon what

(53:51):
happened to him? If he did or if he didn't,
it's really not up for me to sit here and say,
then that's what he gets. Right. One of the things
I can't stand is when people say that's what they got,
that's what they get, because we don't know that. We
don't know that. Now. We do know that there's karma

(54:14):
out there and sometimes things will come back around. What
goes around comes around and all that. But at the
same time, we don't want you know, and all in all,
if you're really truly a good person, and you have
good in your heart and you want to see good
things happen around you, then you can't have that hate
in your heart to say what he got what he deserved.

(54:37):
It's not for us to say that he got what
he deserved. If you are a religious person, you believe
in God, then you believe in the ways of Jesus.
Then if you want to say he got what he deserved,
then you're making an assumption that Jesus or God is
the one that said, well, you deserve this, and we

(54:59):
don't know that. So let's be careful on what we
wish upon other people or what we say they deserve,
because something's going to happen in our lives, and we
got to be careful that we don't put out the
energy upon someone else and then trying to say that
what the energy they were putting out was bad, But

(55:20):
yet we're putting out the same negative energy toward that
person now, and then something's going to happen bad to
us or to you or to me or whoever. And
we're gonna sit there and go why why did this happen?
And you're gonna sit there going why, God, why and
questioning it. But yet along the way we did similar.
We're human. We're human, So might that happen. I'm gonna

(55:46):
say that won't happen. Have I done that in the past,
probably somewhere along the line, I'm sure I have, or
I've said, wow, you know, they got what they wanted.
But we grow and we learn and we try to
be better people. This is all learning experience. I don't
know if what I say is correct. I don't know
if what I say is the right thing. I just
know that I got to think a little bit, think

(56:09):
a little bit, have some empathy. And it's funny because
that's one of the things that I guess. I saw
the interviews where he said he doesn't believe in the
word empathy, but it's a thing that we should have.
We should have empathy. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong
with it. There's nothing wrong with empathy. There's nothing wrong

(56:33):
with having some type of moral compass or having some
responsibility behind your words that you say. I've said a
lot of bad things. If you catch me any day
on a construction site and something's wrong there, I'm going
to be like, you know, I'm not no saint. I

(56:54):
am not no saint, but I know if I'm speaking
to people that might hear me, this is what I
want to put out there, that we can be positive people.
We can I'm not going to put out to be
negative to people. Even on my other show that I do,

(57:16):
it's all on the table. I talk about what's happening
in the news. That doesn't mean I talk on there
until you go do something nobody Hell no, The ultimate
goals that we still love each other, we still show
love for one another, and we still practice this. It
can become a practice, it can become a movement, it
can become something that's bigger than just words. And if

(57:40):
it ever did, I would just be sitting with a
smile on my face and saying I don't care if
I get credit for I don't care who gets credit
for it, because ultimately, if you're doing it, you get
credit for it. You get credit for loving other people.
And how great could that be? Right? That can't be wrong.

(58:03):
It can be something special. So this is a show
number seven and it was a live feed, different trying
different things. Man. You know why because I can. This
is the Love for one Another podcast. Love for one
Another podcast. Make my voice loud and clear. This is
Jeff Luna, and I'm glad that you are here with me.

(58:25):
Thank you for enjoying the show. I see that we
are gaining some traction again like last time, and I'm
so happy to see it because that means that maybe
somebody can spread this to the next person. And even
if you don't spread my show, just speak about it.
Go and try and practice it, try and talk to
your family about it. Maybe we can get the love

(58:47):
to spread. And it's okay. It's an okay thing. It's
very powerful and I wish you the best. We will
see on the next show. And this is Jeff again.
We'd love for one another. We'll see you next time.
Take care, past