March 2, 2025 • 28 mins
Exploiting the poker strategy of GTO vs PTO at low stakes cash games.
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GTO or PTO?
GTO - game theory optimal. Learning how to play in such a way that nobody can exploit you.
Downsides. Most people that try to learn it don’t. Because it’s very hard. And even those that come close don’t understand how to deviate to exploit others. So they are winning the minimum most of the time.
PTO - Population Theory Optimal or Pool Theory Optimal. Learning the habits and tendencies of the pool of players you play in and creating strategies against them as a group and individually to maximally exploit them.
Downsides: if any of them ever smarten up and decided to exploit you getting out of line they could wreck you. This just isn’t going to happen at 1/2 or 1/3 stakes. And if anyone is capable of doing it you will know who they are very quickly and not fall prey to that.
Online coaching gurus are doing this with databases bought or collected from online play. It’s called mass data analysis or MDA.
In live play you don’t have a database other than the one you collect in your brain by playing. So you can’t get it by either playing for many many years. Or by being taught by someone who has.
Notes are below.
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GTO or PTO?
GTO - game theory optimal. Learning how to play in such a way that nobody can exploit you.
Downsides. Most people that try to learn it don’t. Because it’s very hard. And even those that come close don’t understand how to deviate to exploit others. So they are winning the minimum most of the time.
PTO - Population Theory Optimal or Pool Theory Optimal. Learning the habits and tendencies of the pool of players you play in and creating strategies against them as a group and individually to maximally exploit them.
Downsides: if any of them ever smarten up and decided to exploit you getting out of line they could wreck you. This just isn’t going to happen at 1/2 or 1/3 stakes. And if anyone is capable of doing it you will know who they are very quickly and not fall prey to that.
Online coaching gurus are doing this with databases bought or collected from online play. It’s called mass data analysis or MDA.
In live play you don’t have a database other than the one you collect in your brain by playing. So you can’t get it by either playing for many many years. Or by being taught by someone who has.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm gonna talk a lot about that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have an agreement where we don't do much of
that stuff, and we just jumped right into the action.
So I don't know how much strategy I'll talk, but
I want to talk about a concept because I'm constantly
getting pushed back from people who send me questions or
send me hands, and then when I give them my
advice or my opinion on it, I get pushed back
because they've been watching all these gt O wizards out here.
(01:09):
We're teaching them these GTO concepts and they're like, that's
what you're saying, that that's make any sense, and this doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So we're going to talk about it today.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We're going to talk about PTO versus GTO, PTO verse GTO.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What am I talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, GTO is the aforementioned game theory optimal. This is
learning how to play in such a way that nobody
can exploit you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So this is achieved by.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Computer simulations where it's a computer playing against itself and
trying to exploit itself, and it keeps trying things and
trying things and trying things on one hand, and on
the other hand defending against them and defending against them,
or the opposite attacking, attack and attacking, convince them, and
keep recording successes and losses and win rates and loss
(01:57):
rights and all this kind of stuff until it originally adapts, adapts,
adapts until it arrives at something called equilibrium, where if
both players are playing perfect GTO, neither of them can
exploit each other. And in this instance, both of them
would break even against each other over the long run,
but they would lose to the rake, so they would
be losers. Now you know, why does this theoretically work? Like,
(02:22):
why can't you use this well? If you know GTO
and you're in a game full of players that don't
know it, then they're not going to play perfectly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So you should win money off off.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Of them, and they shouldn't be able to win any
money off of you if you understand it properly. The
downside to GTO is that most people that try to
learn it don't because they're studying infinite spots and trying
to commit spots.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To memory and what you do here to memory, and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's there's so many decisions to be made and no
limit takes as hold them, and so many decision points,
data points and flag some points, like you literally can't
get perfect at it. There's guys that have gotten really
good at it. There's guys's got somewhat good at it.
There's guys that you know, kind of get some of it,
and there's guys that think they know it and don't
(03:12):
know anything, but it's just really hard and complicated. And
then even those players, and I can't say all of them,
because I know there's some just really good GTO players
out there, typically in tournaments, but even those that come
close most of the time don't learn how to deviate
from GTO to exploit other players that aren't playing anywhere
(03:34):
near GTO. And so if you have other players that
are just making huge, massive mistakes, and you are playing
a game theory strategy that's they strictly own what of
my hands want to do here and what of my
hands want to do here against another optimal player, then
you're just not winning.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The maximum against that player, right, So they're winning the minimum.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Most of the time because they're not learning how to
deviate and move from the baseline of GTO into the
exploiting of players who have really bad, massive leaks in
their games. And so while they still may win, they
could win a lot more if they'd quit playing right.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's kind of the way to say it. Now. They
are playing.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Right, but according to a equilibrium strategy, they wouldn't be
playing right. But they're not playing an equilibrium strategy opponent,
so that's what.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's called for them.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we're going to compare that today against PTO. I
don't know if anybody's coined this word.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Claim that I've invented it, but I swear to you
I don't know anybody else that's used it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Sure they have because it's just so obvious, right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
PTO is population theory optimal or pool theory optimal, referring
to a pool of players. So what is population theory optimal?
So this is learning the habits and tendencies of the
population or pool of players that you play against, and
then creating strategies against them as a group, as a whole,
and also against each one individually, so that you can
(05:08):
maximally exploit them as a group and maxually exploit them individually.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So you'll have these.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
These pool tendencies, like you can say eighty percent of
people in one two do this in this spot, or
ninety percent of people playing one two do this in
this spot.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And then.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know within that subset or as a subset of
that entire group, you will have certain players that'll do
even weirder stuff that only they do, and so you
also get to develop a very specific strategy against them
and the one really crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That they do that you've figured out.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So it's a really powerful way to make the most
amount of money against your opponents possible.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It does have some downsides.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The first one is is if any of your opponents
ever smarten up and decide to exploit you, because you'll
be getting out of line.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
You'll be deviating way away from Nash equilibrium.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You'll be deviating a ton. If they ever wise up
against that and decide to exploit you getting out of line,
they could just wreck you. But let's just be honest,
this isn't going to happen at one two, one three
to no limit. Nobody in there is putting the work in.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's just not going to happen. You don't have to
fear it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And if anyone ever does show up at your table
that would be capable of remotely doing that, you'll know
it pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Because why we're evaluating one.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We've collected a database of what the pool does for
a long time, depend on how long we played in
my case, like twenty years. But we are also developing
strategies against specific players, which means we're paying attention. So
when a person like that who is capable sits down,
we will notice rather quickly that they aren't playing like
the one two pool, and we will gin to go, oh, okay,
(06:52):
this guy's playing pretty solid.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He's playing this kind of a way, and then we
start figuring.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Out what we can pick a part of them, and
we probably won't find very much, which means we will
regress more and more towards what we know to be
the best form of GTO possible now and mentally, I'm
not a GTO wizard by any stretch, if I'm being
completely honest with you, I've learned a few things about
some bet sizings in some spots, which don't always apply,
(07:16):
by the way, because it's just super multi way a lot.
But I've extraculated things from that, not just me, other
people I've learned from We've extrapulated some things from that
that could be applied to multi way rather than heads up. Plus,
I'm just not putting the time into it right to
do that. I have spent time with solvers, I have
(07:38):
took time to learn some things from people who spent
lots of times with solvers, and I'm always trying to
learn and get better. But bet sizings is one. You
know certain board textures, and range advantage in some.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Spots is one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Although I'll be honest with you, I don't use my
range advantage a ton in two, one, three, no limit
other than as it applies to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I guess probably mainly mainly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Flop continuation, bets, semi bluffs, et cetera. And then that
carries over to a lesser degree to turns, and then
a lesser degree to rivers. I become more and more
about playing my hand versus their range, which not gto
at all, but.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It works great at low stakes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Now, online gurus, there's a fuel them out there that
do this. What's this One guy's name Nick Nick something
I can't for life making his last name. I mean,
that's his pride and joy. He crows about how he
has this massive database of you know, whatever pools you're
being played online. I don't know one, two, six max,
(08:43):
no limit or whatever, or these zoom games or zone
games or whatever they are. And so he's either you know,
collected databases from players who have those HUDs running that
are collecting stats, or there's some some ways apparently you
can just buy these stats. I don't even know how
that works, but you can just buy them, and you
can get you know, millions and millions and millions and
millions of hands, and then you can just break them
(09:05):
down in a database and figure stuff out.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's happening. It's called MDA, which is mass data analysis.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So when you compare that to and so those guys,
those guys are like, no, we're not about GTO at all.
We're like, this is what the pool does forget GTO
on turns like this. You should be doing this because
this is what the pool generally does, and you want
to actually exploit them.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
So that's what we try to do in live games
in a local cardroom, not online, right, same kind of
a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The difference is is like when you're in a live environment,
you don't have a database. You don't have an Excel spreadsheet,
we don't have hoods, right, we don't have any that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Collecting data.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
The way it's collected is in our brain from playing
and seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of hands a month after month, year
after year, year after year, and you collect it and
you build a database, et cetera. This is why a
chip of the hat to him, Bart Hanson is really
so good when he's talking about a lot of hands
and stuff. Especially, you know, he's really good when he's
(10:04):
talking about like two, five, five, ten, like he lived
in those streets for a.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Long, long time.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Now it's evolved a lot since then, but it's because
he has not only did he play it, you know,
he hosted the show where him and Tuckman would break
down hands after hand after hand, and they just solved, yes,
just tens and tens of thousands of hands. So he's
collected that database in his brain, and so you'll hear
him talk a lot when he talks about hands, about
(10:29):
what the pool does or stuff that's That's really the
only way you can get it personally is by years
and years of experience and paying attention right, or you
can be taught by somebody who's done that, who has
those hundreds of thousands of hands under their belt, or
you know whatever, how many hands I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Years and years and years, like I've been.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Playing these stakes since for twelve for twenty years really.
But now I'm not saying I was always the best
at are keeping the best mental records on it and
stuff early on, but I've certainly was absorbing stuff just
from being in it and being in the trenches. And
of course the more time goes on, the more cognis
that I've been doing that, and I just talk about pool.
So Here's what happens is, I'll have these people message
(11:12):
me hands or they'll ask me a question about a
spot or something.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll give them my advice on it.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And I always get kicked back on what some solver
says or what gto is or is that's not balanced.
I don't understand and so, and they'll argue with me.
And my thing is like, if you want my advice,
I'm happy to give it, and I'm also happy to
discuss poker. Nobody for the most part has the right
answer about everything. Like many many times, I'll have hands
(11:38):
and I'll send one to my friend. You know, I
have like three people that play for a living. Like
one of them I talk to person. I'll occasionally talk
to him. Somebody else I hang out with sometimes and
then he travels a lot and I'll text him sometimes.
And then I have this other friend in South Florida,
and I have another friend in Vegas. It's really four
really solid ones I could choose from.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh, and then I have one of the guys over.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And actually two people, but really one over in the
discord who's a member of the Patreon. I mean, he's
just a crusher, like he started working with me, you know,
a couple of years ago, and he just crushes the game,
and I highly value his opinion. But my point is
I can have a hand and I could send it
out to let's say these five all pros, all good players,
and there would be nuance and differences of opinion, Like
(12:22):
there's no we just wrote it and still one hundred
percent right, but now know there's more right and there's
more wrong right. And that's the thing about pokers, Like
what's the most right thing I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Can come up with here? It might not be the
absolute right thing, but it's the most right thing I
can do.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And then there's also maybe this is a little bit
I'm not sure that's just wrong or that's just horrible.
Like I can tell you when something's horrible, right, I
don't know if I can ever tell you when something
Hundreds are perfect, but I can tell you when something's horrible,
and it's just no, it's wrong for a million reasons.
So I don't mind discussing hands and talking about possibilities,
but when you ask for my opinion on something and
(12:55):
then you proceed to argue with me and debate with
me about how I'm wrong because this spot didn't balanced
or something. It's very frustrating for me because I'm taking
time and I'm talking about people to send.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Me stuff for free which times every week, and I
invite you too. I love it. You can.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm on I'm on the gram O, We're on Instagram
and over on Facebook. Right lowd un Cash Games either
one of them Lowland Cash Games podcasts and either one
of them.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Shoot me a message, you can shoot me a hand.
I'm more than happy to talk about it, like I'm
all about it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's something that I'm passionate about and something I'd love
to do. But my only request is like, don't you
know take make me take time out of my day
to try to give you my opinion and then want
to argue with me about it. And then it's probably
been a year ago now. We had this guy who
(13:47):
did sign up for the Patreon. He was a member
for like five weeks. He got in on the discord
as a part of the membership, and he would send
me hands and stuff or he would post hands in
there and I would comment on him and then he
would argue, and then he would take the argument into
DMS and argue with me in DMS, and so at
one point, I'm like, look, dude, here's what I'm going
to do.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You paid for a month.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We're like five weeks in now, so you paid the
first month and they've built you for the second month,
so you've been builled for two months.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So tell you what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm going to refund you both of those payments. So
I'm going to refund both of them back to you.
I'll be removing you from the discord, You'll be removed
from a Patreon as a member, and I just wish
you all the best, man, Like, you've got so many answers,
I'm not really sure what you want from me, and
I wish you all the best. And then he got
mad about that. Well I couldn't help him, Like, this
(14:40):
is a guy I've been playing poker a couple of years.
I'm playing poker twenty years, and I'm trying to share
with them what I know. By no means perfect. God,
I made mistakes so often. It's one of the most
frustrating things about poker is that no matter how long
you play, or how good you get or how much
you win, you still make mistakes and you kick yourself
over from all the time I can't tell you how
(15:00):
many times I'll get home and review notes on hands
I took from the session I just had, and I'll
and I'll look at this turn spot in this particular
hand I'm I'm like, oh god, well, I don't know
why I did that. That makes no sense. Like this
this thing, this would have been clearly better than what
I did there, and like it's just I mean, it's
one thing makes poker.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So great, but it's very frustrating. And so I don't
claim to be right. As a matter of fact, I'm wrong. Sometimes,
for sure I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I apologize to somebody else the other day in the
discord about my comment on hand and I went back
and I'm like, no, that's wrong. Like I said something,
I thought about it, and I'm back in here to
tell you what I said was wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So look, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
For the most part, it's an inexact science. These gto
guys try to claim that it is an exact science.
And the good GTO guys, the good ones, you see
them evolve. You see them evolve from somebody that's memorizing
spots exactly, and they spend hours every day, every week,
every month, all year memorizing spots.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff, and then at.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Some point they're like, you know what, I just I
need to understand this basic concept here, and then I
need to figure out how that basic concept either applies
or doesn't apply to this game I'm in.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And if it does, then we know the concept and
it will apply to a lot of spots, not just
this spot.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I don't have to memorize this spot. I need
to rememberize this particular type broader situation and how to
approach it. And those guys do really good in GTO world.
These guys that try to rememborize every single spot really
don't do that well. And lastly, to wrap up this pod,
and I don't know how much it's helped you or
not helped you, but I hope it does help you.
(16:41):
But there was I guess been three years ago, now
four years ago now, I don't know, but I dove
into the GTO world and we did all this sober
stuff and I had a network of sovereier people and
so all this stuff was happening and we just did
a deep dive into it. And one of them, in particular,
(17:01):
who doesn't live in my area, anymore, and isn't a
local guy anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But he's a brilliant guy.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Every time we were around each other, we were talking
this or that and stuff, and then we would see
other people did at this table. Sometimes we would laugh
about it, Like we were at the table next year,
we were like, wow, that's so wow. It's just so
unbalanced what he did there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Meanwhile, when that year was up, I'd had the lowest
earning year I'd ever had, and I'm like, you know what,
I'm just doing this wrong. It's just what I'm doing
is wrong. I need to go back to doing what
I was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
What I did do is I learned some really good
principles about certain spots at certain times, and I still
use them, and I've learned more things since then that
I use. But as far as this whole striving to
be balanced and optimal in terms of you know, what
an optimal decision would be against another player trying to
(17:53):
make optimal decisions, that's just out the window. It doesn't apply.
It's just completely useless, and you couldn't memorize it and
be perfect in it. It would still be useless. Because the
guy across the table from you is not a bot
trying to do the same to you.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So look, you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Ask me, I don't think there's any question that PTO
is hands down, way better than GTO. If you want
to crush one two no limit and you want to
crush one three no limit, you need to be a
PTO player. You need to learn how that pool of
players plays, and then you need to figure out how
to exploit the heck out of them and take just
as much money from them as you can. This is
(18:33):
why when people ask me, I'm gonna wrap it up
on this. This is why people ask me. You're like, well,
why are these guys when they play online they're raising
to like two point twenty five big blinds? And then
I get in a live game and it's one two
no limit, somebody's raising to fifteen. Well, I'll tell you why.
Because you're exploring the pool. You got players in there
that will call fifteen or twenty dollars with seven to
(18:54):
three offsuit. They're not doing that online. If you start
raising a fifteen dollars pre fop online, guess what hands
are calling you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Guess what hands are gonna smack you. Hands that have
a ton of.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Equity against you, or hands that realize what kind of
a spot you're particularly in that can somehow, you know,
exploit it. But you're not having them put it in
with a seven three off suit and then donking it
off when the flop comes seven high, because you know,
they think you got ace king and they got a
pair of sevens, and by golly, they're not folding lesson
as for king comes and then the river shows up
(19:26):
and you've got pocket queens and their seven three off
suit is no good. And what would you've rather done
against that player race to to to four dollars and
fifty cent pre flop, or would you have raised rather
race to fifteen pre flop so that you could play
for stacks by the river. That's why, that's why the
(19:47):
sizings are so different live. It's you're exploiting players that
play really bad hands pre flop, and I want them to.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Put as much money as possible within reason.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So look, this is a you know, I know it's
a thirty thousand foot view, but hopefully we talked a
few specifics in there that either may I hope that
you leave this podcast with this with a understanding what
you should be focusing on to crush one two, one three,
no limit, and that you don't get distracted or deceived
or misled by these gto.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I don't know. I don't want to say cult members,
I don't want to say.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Worshipers, but there's they're out there, and they will try
to make you feel bad if you're not in them
sover streets. And look, if you want to move up
and crush five ten games and especially tough five ten games,
and you ever want to play twenty five point fifty
and and play in most what you know, most public games,
you don't get juicy private games that play like one two. Yeah,
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you're probably gonna need to know some of that stuff.
You're probably don't need to know how to apply it
well and get pretty good at it, and you still
be able to deviate from time to time, for sure,
but you will just get your butt handed to you
if you're not in learning how to play with some
level of equilibrium.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But as long as you're and there's time to learn that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But most people I talk to, and the reason people
sign up for my Patreon and the reason people sign
up for my one on one coaching is because they
want to start crushing one two one to three limit now,
and they don't want to be making as much money
as possible from it a year from now, so that
they have a bank roll and some playing time and
some experience and some confidence that maybe they can take
to jump up to two five, and then not longer,
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a lot longer after that, maybe there'll be in a
spot to take a jump up to five ten.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And at that time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I will have taught you how to exploit and crush
everybody at you know lower than five to ten that sucks,
which is most of them, and you can use that
to get into those games and start doing okay. And
then you start really hitting the books and hitting the
sovereigns and hitting the stuff to try to figure out
how to do well against the good players that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Are in the game.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And I would argue that my path to success is
faster than the reverse.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I just would. Now, I know that the GTO guys
will disagree. They're like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Once you learn the equilibrium and you start seeing where
mistakes are made, it becomes very easy to exploit them.
Maybe that's not my experience, though it wasn't easy for me.
It wasn't easy for my friend that I told you about.
It's not been easy for many people that I've talked to.
It's not that intuitive. Now, maybe if I had a
mentor that had taken that path and.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Was a really good teacher.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And could walk me hand in hand exactly down it,
you know, maybe in a year I could master that
sort of a thing. I think my way is easier
because people are making such bad mistakes that are so
easily exploitable that we don't have to.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Take that high brow, hard road approach to just start
exploiting the hell out of people and padding our bankroll. Now.
So with that being said, I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I appreciate you subscribing, you know, on whatever podcasting platform
you prefer.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We're on all of them.
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I can't tell you like I was just down in
Saint Petersburg two weeks ago and two different folks came
up to me because they recognized my voice and said, oh,
you're that guy does that podcast, And they thanked.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Me a ton for it and said how much it
helped them. And boy, we get way more.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Downloads every week than you would imagine, and I'm eternally
grateful for it. This new arrangement where I do the
one episode a month has been liberating for me. I
spend a ton of time concentrating on the content that
goes over on the Patreon now low limit cash games
dot com is how to get there? And I looked
the other day and it's the It tells me how
many how many audio posts you know, a podcast posters
(23:41):
are there, how many video posts are there, how many
you know whiteport And it's just crazy now, like the
amount of hours of content that are over there. Now,
like I could stop making content right now and never
make another piece of content, and you could sign up
and you would be off in the weeds for content
for like the next year, year and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's all I'm doing a better and better job of organizing,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Patreon, be honest with you, not the perfect platform to
build a training site around. But it's easy for me
and I don't have stress about it, and that's.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
What I like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But they've introduced a thing called collection, so now I'm
able to put things in where it's a basics collection,
a fundamentals collection, is it a bet sizing collection, is
it a flop collection?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know? Is it an ace how to play? A
keen collection?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And so it's all these collections and so everything is
divided into collection.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So whatever you're.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Having issues with, you can go find content and material
that applies to that. And so hats off to Patreon
for creating that because it's helped me out a lot.
And then you get over on the discord and it's
just a group of like minded players who are all
pretty humble and all pretty excited to learn. And boys,
some of the folks in there are crushers, like I
(24:52):
just outsourced my hand history answers now to well, I'm
just gonna call his name.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
His name is Justin.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He just is a crusher over there, and he beats
me to the to the strategy session a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There's there's different channels ones the strategy channel. One of
them is a hand history channel.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He beats me to those channels a lot and gives
advice as good or better than I can give a
ton of the time. And so then I'll come up
under him in my common will just be I say
what he said. That's what I say, because he's gotten
so good.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And you know, he's been a member of Patron for
a while.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He's member of Coach with me one on one for
a while his game went from you know, he wasn't
like the super worst don't fish ever, but you know
he went from where he was at as a player too.
Now he just steps when he sits down at any.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Table, he owns it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
When it's when it's five or five or lower, and
he sits down at the table, he just owns it
and he crushes it, and he's just amazing. So you
get to hang out with people like that, talk strategy
with people. You get access to me all the time.
You can ask anybody run across him. That's in our discord.
They're like, ask him how long it takes me to
reply or respond or something. It's usually within an hour,
(25:58):
sometimes it's within minutes. Rarely, if ever, is it the
next day. But we get in there and mix it up.
And the way I do that, it's because I have
capped the number of members in each section, right, so
it's not it doesn't become overwhelming, Like I'm not in
this whole thing to get rich or anything. I just
want the amount of time I spent to be compensated back.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But I got to tell you, it's just worth it
from the experience, like my game's got better. When you
try to help other people's games get better and you
have to figure out how to construct ways to explain
it or talk about it, or to get it cross
or figure things out, it helps your game. And so
to help my game a ton and I would love
to have to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You can go down in the information section below this podcast,
and on whatever platform you're listening on, it'll be in
different places, but there'll be all the links there for it.
But if you can't remember them or you don't want
to go to the links or whatever, it's low limit
cashgames dot com. You want to learn how to crush
as King? I got an ace King masterclass over there
for you. So if you don't want to sign up
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crush with as King, I've got that which a really
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Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's like ninety minutes. It's video, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's actual hands played and descriptions, and so you get
a bit of understanding how to play a skin, which
is not a drawing hand, by the way, and if
you want to train one on one, look if it's
full over there, which it always is like I rarely
go more than a week that the one on one
training isn't full because I just cap that hard cap.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
How many people all let do that?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
If you will send me a private message and go, hey,
I really want to do that, but it's full, you know,
please let me know.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
When it's spot opener.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I want to take it, so shoot me a message
and let me know so I can try to form
a line or something that's hard for me to keep
up with. I'm not swearing to you i'll keep a
perfect listing of a line, but I will sure try
to help you. And I don't bring it on and
on about this, but I think it's important to understand
how and why we crush those stakes, and I want
to help you not make the mistakes I did by
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letting these gto people mislead you and distract you into
hurting your game when you could be skyrocketing into high profitability.
Thanks for being here, Thanks for subscribing. Lolinmacash games dot com.
We will talk to you in the next episode.
Hello, Welcome into another episode of the Lowliman Cash Games podcast.
We're going to talk about some low stakes poker theories
and concepts behind beating it, how to learn how to
crush it, and we try to do this at least
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:44):
I'm gonna talk a lot about that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
We have an agreement where we don't do much of
that stuff, and we just jumped right into the action.
So I don't know how much strategy I'll talk, but
I want to talk about a concept because I'm constantly
getting pushed back from people who send me questions or
send me hands, and then when I give them my
advice or my opinion on it, I get pushed back
because they've been watching all these gt O wizards out here.
(01:09):
We're teaching them these GTO concepts and they're like, that's
what you're saying, that that's make any sense, and this doesn't.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So we're going to talk about it today.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We're going to talk about PTO versus GTO, PTO verse GTO.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
What am I talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, GTO is the aforementioned game theory optimal. This is
learning how to play in such a way that nobody
can exploit you.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So this is achieved by.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Computer simulations where it's a computer playing against itself and
trying to exploit itself, and it keeps trying things and
trying things and trying things on one hand, and on
the other hand defending against them and defending against them,
or the opposite attacking, attack and attacking, convince them, and
keep recording successes and losses and win rates and loss
(01:57):
rights and all this kind of stuff until it originally adapts, adapts,
adapts until it arrives at something called equilibrium, where if
both players are playing perfect GTO, neither of them can
exploit each other. And in this instance, both of them
would break even against each other over the long run,
but they would lose to the rake, so they would
be losers. Now you know, why does this theoretically work? Like,
(02:22):
why can't you use this well? If you know GTO
and you're in a game full of players that don't
know it, then they're not going to play perfectly.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
So you should win money off off.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Of them, and they shouldn't be able to win any
money off of you if you understand it properly. The
downside to GTO is that most people that try to
learn it don't because they're studying infinite spots and trying
to commit spots.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
To memory and what you do here to memory, and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's there's so many decisions to be made and no
limit takes as hold them, and so many decision points,
data points and flag some points, like you literally can't
get perfect at it. There's guys that have gotten really
good at it. There's guys's got somewhat good at it.
There's guys that you know, kind of get some of it,
and there's guys that think they know it and don't
(03:12):
know anything, but it's just really hard and complicated. And
then even those players, and I can't say all of them,
because I know there's some just really good GTO players
out there, typically in tournaments, but even those that come
close most of the time don't learn how to deviate
from GTO to exploit other players that aren't playing anywhere
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near GTO. And so if you have other players that
are just making huge, massive mistakes, and you are playing
a game theory strategy that's they strictly own what of
my hands want to do here and what of my
hands want to do here against another optimal player, then
you're just not winning.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
The maximum against that player, right, So they're winning the minimum.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Most of the time because they're not learning how to
deviate and move from the baseline of GTO into the
exploiting of players who have really bad, massive leaks in
their games. And so while they still may win, they
could win a lot more if they'd quit playing right.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
It's kind of the way to say it. Now. They
are playing.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Right, but according to a equilibrium strategy, they wouldn't be
playing right. But they're not playing an equilibrium strategy opponent,
so that's what.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
It's called for them.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So we're going to compare that today against PTO. I
don't know if anybody's coined this word.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Claim that I've invented it, but I swear to you
I don't know anybody else that's used it, but I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Sure they have because it's just so obvious, right.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
PTO is population theory optimal or pool theory optimal, referring
to a pool of players. So what is population theory optimal?
So this is learning the habits and tendencies of the
population or pool of players that you play against, and
then creating strategies against them as a group, as a whole,
and also against each one individually, so that you can
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maximally exploit them as a group and maxually exploit them individually.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So you'll have these.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
These pool tendencies, like you can say eighty percent of
people in one two do this in this spot, or
ninety percent of people playing one two do this in
this spot.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
And then.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
You know within that subset or as a subset of
that entire group, you will have certain players that'll do
even weirder stuff that only they do, and so you
also get to develop a very specific strategy against them
and the one really crazy thing.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
That they do that you've figured out.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
So it's a really powerful way to make the most
amount of money against your opponents possible.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It does have some downsides.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
The first one is is if any of your opponents
ever smarten up and decide to exploit you, because you'll
be getting out of line.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
You'll be deviating way away from Nash equilibrium.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
You'll be deviating a ton. If they ever wise up
against that and decide to exploit you getting out of line,
they could just wreck you. But let's just be honest,
this isn't going to happen at one two, one three
to no limit. Nobody in there is putting the work in.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
It's just not going to happen. You don't have to
fear it.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
And if anyone ever does show up at your table
that would be capable of remotely doing that, you'll know
it pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Because why we're evaluating one.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We've collected a database of what the pool does for
a long time, depend on how long we played in
my case, like twenty years. But we are also developing
strategies against specific players, which means we're paying attention. So
when a person like that who is capable sits down,
we will notice rather quickly that they aren't playing like
the one two pool, and we will gin to go, oh, okay,
(06:52):
this guy's playing pretty solid.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
He's playing this kind of a way, and then we
start figuring.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Out what we can pick a part of them, and
we probably won't find very much, which means we will
regress more and more towards what we know to be
the best form of GTO possible now and mentally, I'm
not a GTO wizard by any stretch, if I'm being
completely honest with you, I've learned a few things about
some bet sizings in some spots, which don't always apply,
(07:16):
by the way, because it's just super multi way a lot.
But I've extraculated things from that, not just me, other
people I've learned from We've extrapulated some things from that
that could be applied to multi way rather than heads up. Plus,
I'm just not putting the time into it right to
do that. I have spent time with solvers, I have
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took time to learn some things from people who spent
lots of times with solvers, and I'm always trying to
learn and get better. But bet sizings is one. You
know certain board textures, and range advantage in some.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Spots is one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Although I'll be honest with you, I don't use my
range advantage a ton in two, one, three, no limit
other than as it applies to.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
I guess probably mainly mainly.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Flop continuation, bets, semi bluffs, et cetera. And then that
carries over to a lesser degree to turns, and then
a lesser degree to rivers. I become more and more
about playing my hand versus their range, which not gto
at all, but.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It works great at low stakes.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Now, online gurus, there's a fuel them out there that
do this. What's this One guy's name Nick Nick something
I can't for life making his last name. I mean,
that's his pride and joy. He crows about how he
has this massive database of you know, whatever pools you're
being played online. I don't know one, two, six max,
(08:43):
no limit or whatever, or these zoom games or zone
games or whatever they are. And so he's either you know,
collected databases from players who have those HUDs running that
are collecting stats, or there's some some ways apparently you
can just buy these stats. I don't even know how
that works, but you can just buy them, and you
can get you know, millions and millions and millions and
millions of hands, and then you can just break them
(09:05):
down in a database and figure stuff out.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's happening. It's called MDA, which is mass data analysis.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
So when you compare that to and so those guys,
those guys are like, no, we're not about GTO at all.
We're like, this is what the pool does forget GTO
on turns like this. You should be doing this because
this is what the pool generally does, and you want
to actually exploit them.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
So that's what we try to do in live games
in a local cardroom, not online, right, same kind of
a thing.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The difference is is like when you're in a live environment,
you don't have a database. You don't have an Excel spreadsheet,
we don't have hoods, right, we don't have any that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Collecting data.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
The way it's collected is in our brain from playing
and seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds and hundreds of hands a month after month, year
after year, year after year, and you collect it and
you build a database, et cetera. This is why a
chip of the hat to him, Bart Hanson is really
so good when he's talking about a lot of hands
and stuff. Especially, you know, he's really good when he's
(10:04):
talking about like two, five, five, ten, like he lived
in those streets for a.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Long, long time.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Now it's evolved a lot since then, but it's because
he has not only did he play it, you know,
he hosted the show where him and Tuckman would break
down hands after hand after hand, and they just solved, yes,
just tens and tens of thousands of hands. So he's
collected that database in his brain, and so you'll hear
him talk a lot when he talks about hands, about
(10:29):
what the pool does or stuff that's That's really the
only way you can get it personally is by years
and years of experience and paying attention right, or you
can be taught by somebody who's done that, who has
those hundreds of thousands of hands under their belt, or
you know whatever, how many hands I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Years and years and years, like I've been.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Playing these stakes since for twelve for twenty years really.
But now I'm not saying I was always the best
at are keeping the best mental records on it and
stuff early on, but I've certainly was absorbing stuff just
from being in it and being in the trenches. And
of course the more time goes on, the more cognis
that I've been doing that, and I just talk about pool.
So Here's what happens is, I'll have these people message
(11:12):
me hands or they'll ask me a question about a
spot or something.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I'll give them my advice on it.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And I always get kicked back on what some solver
says or what gto is or is that's not balanced.
I don't understand and so, and they'll argue with me.
And my thing is like, if you want my advice,
I'm happy to give it, and I'm also happy to
discuss poker. Nobody for the most part has the right
answer about everything. Like many many times, I'll have hands
(11:38):
and I'll send one to my friend. You know, I
have like three people that play for a living. Like
one of them I talk to person. I'll occasionally talk
to him. Somebody else I hang out with sometimes and
then he travels a lot and I'll text him sometimes.
And then I have this other friend in South Florida,
and I have another friend in Vegas. It's really four
really solid ones I could choose from.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Oh, and then I have one of the guys over.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
And actually two people, but really one over in the
discord who's a member of the Patreon. I mean, he's
just a crusher, like he started working with me, you know,
a couple of years ago, and he just crushes the game,
and I highly value his opinion. But my point is
I can have a hand and I could send it
out to let's say these five all pros, all good players,
and there would be nuance and differences of opinion, Like
(12:22):
there's no we just wrote it and still one hundred
percent right, but now know there's more right and there's
more wrong right. And that's the thing about pokers, Like
what's the most right thing I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Can come up with here? It might not be the
absolute right thing, but it's the most right thing I
can do.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
And then there's also maybe this is a little bit
I'm not sure that's just wrong or that's just horrible.
Like I can tell you when something's horrible, right, I
don't know if I can ever tell you when something
Hundreds are perfect, but I can tell you when something's horrible,
and it's just no, it's wrong for a million reasons.
So I don't mind discussing hands and talking about possibilities,
but when you ask for my opinion on something and
(12:55):
then you proceed to argue with me and debate with
me about how I'm wrong because this spot didn't balanced
or something. It's very frustrating for me because I'm taking
time and I'm talking about people to send.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Me stuff for free which times every week, and I
invite you too. I love it. You can.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I'm on I'm on the gram O, We're on Instagram
and over on Facebook. Right lowd un Cash Games either
one of them Lowland Cash Games podcasts and either one
of them.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Shoot me a message, you can shoot me a hand.
I'm more than happy to talk about it, like I'm
all about it.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
It's something that I'm passionate about and something I'd love
to do. But my only request is like, don't you
know take make me take time out of my day
to try to give you my opinion and then want
to argue with me about it. And then it's probably
been a year ago now. We had this guy who
(13:47):
did sign up for the Patreon. He was a member
for like five weeks. He got in on the discord
as a part of the membership, and he would send
me hands and stuff or he would post hands in
there and I would comment on him and then he
would argue, and then he would take the argument into
DMS and argue with me in DMS, and so at
one point, I'm like, look, dude, here's what I'm going
to do.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
You paid for a month.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
We're like five weeks in now, so you paid the
first month and they've built you for the second month,
so you've been builled for two months.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
So tell you what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I'm going to refund you both of those payments. So
I'm going to refund both of them back to you.
I'll be removing you from the discord, You'll be removed
from a Patreon as a member, and I just wish
you all the best, man, Like, you've got so many answers,
I'm not really sure what you want from me, and
I wish you all the best. And then he got
mad about that. Well I couldn't help him, Like, this
(14:40):
is a guy I've been playing poker a couple of years.
I'm playing poker twenty years, and I'm trying to share
with them what I know. By no means perfect. God,
I made mistakes so often. It's one of the most
frustrating things about poker is that no matter how long
you play, or how good you get or how much
you win, you still make mistakes and you kick yourself
over from all the time I can't tell you how
(15:00):
many times I'll get home and review notes on hands
I took from the session I just had, and I'll
and I'll look at this turn spot in this particular
hand I'm I'm like, oh god, well, I don't know
why I did that. That makes no sense. Like this
this thing, this would have been clearly better than what
I did there, and like it's just I mean, it's
one thing makes poker.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
So great, but it's very frustrating. And so I don't
claim to be right. As a matter of fact, I'm wrong. Sometimes,
for sure I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I apologize to somebody else the other day in the
discord about my comment on hand and I went back
and I'm like, no, that's wrong. Like I said something,
I thought about it, and I'm back in here to
tell you what I said was wrong.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So look, it's a.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
For the most part, it's an inexact science. These gto
guys try to claim that it is an exact science.
And the good GTO guys, the good ones, you see
them evolve. You see them evolve from somebody that's memorizing
spots exactly, and they spend hours every day, every week,
every month, all year memorizing spots.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And stuff and stuff and stuff and stuff, and then at.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Some point they're like, you know what, I just I
need to understand this basic concept here, and then I
need to figure out how that basic concept either applies
or doesn't apply to this game I'm in.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
And if it does, then we know the concept and
it will apply to a lot of spots, not just
this spot.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
So I don't have to memorize this spot. I need
to rememberize this particular type broader situation and how to
approach it. And those guys do really good in GTO world.
These guys that try to rememborize every single spot really
don't do that well. And lastly, to wrap up this pod,
and I don't know how much it's helped you or
not helped you, but I hope it does help you.
(16:41):
But there was I guess been three years ago, now
four years ago now, I don't know, but I dove
into the GTO world and we did all this sober
stuff and I had a network of sovereier people and
so all this stuff was happening and we just did
a deep dive into it. And one of them, in particular,
(17:01):
who doesn't live in my area, anymore, and isn't a
local guy anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
But he's a brilliant guy.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Every time we were around each other, we were talking
this or that and stuff, and then we would see
other people did at this table. Sometimes we would laugh
about it, Like we were at the table next year,
we were like, wow, that's so wow. It's just so
unbalanced what he did there.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
You know.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Meanwhile, when that year was up, I'd had the lowest
earning year I'd ever had, and I'm like, you know what,
I'm just doing this wrong. It's just what I'm doing
is wrong. I need to go back to doing what
I was doing.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
What I did do is I learned some really good
principles about certain spots at certain times, and I still
use them, and I've learned more things since then that
I use. But as far as this whole striving to
be balanced and optimal in terms of you know, what
an optimal decision would be against another player trying to
(17:53):
make optimal decisions, that's just out the window. It doesn't apply.
It's just completely useless, and you couldn't memorize it and
be perfect in it. It would still be useless. Because the
guy across the table from you is not a bot
trying to do the same to you.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So look, you.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Ask me, I don't think there's any question that PTO
is hands down, way better than GTO. If you want
to crush one two no limit and you want to
crush one three no limit, you need to be a
PTO player. You need to learn how that pool of
players plays, and then you need to figure out how
to exploit the heck out of them and take just
as much money from them as you can. This is
(18:33):
why when people ask me, I'm gonna wrap it up
on this. This is why people ask me. You're like, well,
why are these guys when they play online they're raising
to like two point twenty five big blinds? And then
I get in a live game and it's one two
no limit, somebody's raising to fifteen. Well, I'll tell you why.
Because you're exploring the pool. You got players in there
that will call fifteen or twenty dollars with seven to
(18:54):
three offsuit. They're not doing that online. If you start
raising a fifteen dollars pre fop online, guess what hands
are calling you.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Guess what hands are gonna smack you. Hands that have
a ton of.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Equity against you, or hands that realize what kind of
a spot you're particularly in that can somehow, you know,
exploit it. But you're not having them put it in
with a seven three off suit and then donking it
off when the flop comes seven high, because you know,
they think you got ace king and they got a
pair of sevens, and by golly, they're not folding lesson
as for king comes and then the river shows up
(19:26):
and you've got pocket queens and their seven three off
suit is no good. And what would you've rather done
against that player race to to to four dollars and
fifty cent pre flop, or would you have raised rather
race to fifteen pre flop so that you could play
for stacks by the river. That's why, that's why the
(19:47):
sizings are so different live. It's you're exploiting players that
play really bad hands pre flop, and I want them to.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Put as much money as possible within reason.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
So look, this is a you know, I know it's
a thirty thousand foot view, but hopefully we talked a
few specifics in there that either may I hope that
you leave this podcast with this with a understanding what
you should be focusing on to crush one two, one three,
no limit, and that you don't get distracted or deceived
or misled by these gto.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I don't know. I don't want to say cult members,
I don't want to say.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Worshipers, but there's they're out there, and they will try
to make you feel bad if you're not in them
sover streets. And look, if you want to move up
and crush five ten games and especially tough five ten games,
and you ever want to play twenty five point fifty
and and play in most what you know, most public games,
you don't get juicy private games that play like one two. Yeah,
(20:49):
you're probably gonna need to know some of that stuff.
You're probably don't need to know how to apply it
well and get pretty good at it, and you still
be able to deviate from time to time, for sure,
but you will just get your butt handed to you
if you're not in learning how to play with some
level of equilibrium.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
But as long as you're and there's time to learn that.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But most people I talk to, and the reason people
sign up for my Patreon and the reason people sign
up for my one on one coaching is because they
want to start crushing one two one to three limit now,
and they don't want to be making as much money
as possible from it a year from now, so that
they have a bank roll and some playing time and
some experience and some confidence that maybe they can take
to jump up to two five, and then not longer,
(21:31):
a lot longer after that, maybe there'll be in a
spot to take a jump up to five ten.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
And at that time.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I will have taught you how to exploit and crush
everybody at you know lower than five to ten that sucks,
which is most of them, and you can use that
to get into those games and start doing okay. And
then you start really hitting the books and hitting the
sovereigns and hitting the stuff to try to figure out
how to do well against the good players that.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Are in the game.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
And I would argue that my path to success is
faster than the reverse.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I just would. Now, I know that the GTO guys
will disagree. They're like, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Once you learn the equilibrium and you start seeing where
mistakes are made, it becomes very easy to exploit them.
Maybe that's not my experience, though it wasn't easy for me.
It wasn't easy for my friend that I told you about.
It's not been easy for many people that I've talked to.
It's not that intuitive. Now, maybe if I had a
mentor that had taken that path and.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Was a really good teacher.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
And could walk me hand in hand exactly down it,
you know, maybe in a year I could master that
sort of a thing. I think my way is easier
because people are making such bad mistakes that are so
easily exploitable that we don't have to.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Take that high brow, hard road approach to just start
exploiting the hell out of people and padding our bankroll. Now.
So with that being said, I appreciate you being here.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
I appreciate you subscribing, you know, on whatever podcasting platform
you prefer.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We're on all of them.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I can't tell you like I was just down in
Saint Petersburg two weeks ago and two different folks came
up to me because they recognized my voice and said, oh,
you're that guy does that podcast, And they thanked.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Me a ton for it and said how much it
helped them. And boy, we get way more.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Downloads every week than you would imagine, and I'm eternally
grateful for it. This new arrangement where I do the
one episode a month has been liberating for me. I
spend a ton of time concentrating on the content that
goes over on the Patreon now low limit cash games
dot com is how to get there? And I looked
the other day and it's the It tells me how
many how many audio posts you know, a podcast posters
(23:41):
are there, how many video posts are there, how many
you know whiteport And it's just crazy now, like the
amount of hours of content that are over there. Now,
like I could stop making content right now and never
make another piece of content, and you could sign up
and you would be off in the weeds for content
for like the next year, year and a half.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's all I'm doing a better and better job of organizing,
you know.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Patreon, be honest with you, not the perfect platform to
build a training site around. But it's easy for me
and I don't have stress about it, and that's.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
What I like.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
But they've introduced a thing called collection, so now I'm
able to put things in where it's a basics collection,
a fundamentals collection, is it a bet sizing collection, is
it a flop collection?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You know? Is it an ace how to play? A
keen collection?
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And so it's all these collections and so everything is
divided into collection.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
So whatever you're.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Having issues with, you can go find content and material
that applies to that. And so hats off to Patreon
for creating that because it's helped me out a lot.
And then you get over on the discord and it's
just a group of like minded players who are all
pretty humble and all pretty excited to learn. And boys,
some of the folks in there are crushers, like I
(24:52):
just outsourced my hand history answers now to well, I'm
just gonna call his name.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
His name is Justin.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
He just is a crusher over there, and he beats
me to the to the strategy session a lot.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
There's there's different channels ones the strategy channel. One of
them is a hand history channel.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
He beats me to those channels a lot and gives
advice as good or better than I can give a
ton of the time. And so then I'll come up
under him in my common will just be I say
what he said. That's what I say, because he's gotten
so good.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And you know, he's been a member of Patron for
a while.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He's member of Coach with me one on one for
a while his game went from you know, he wasn't
like the super worst don't fish ever, but you know
he went from where he was at as a player too.
Now he just steps when he sits down at any.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Table, he owns it.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
When it's when it's five or five or lower, and
he sits down at the table, he just owns it
and he crushes it, and he's just amazing. So you
get to hang out with people like that, talk strategy
with people. You get access to me all the time.
You can ask anybody run across him. That's in our discord.
They're like, ask him how long it takes me to
reply or respond or something. It's usually within an hour,
(25:58):
sometimes it's within minutes. Rarely, if ever, is it the
next day. But we get in there and mix it up.
And the way I do that, it's because I have
capped the number of members in each section, right, so
it's not it doesn't become overwhelming, Like I'm not in
this whole thing to get rich or anything. I just
want the amount of time I spent to be compensated back.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
So it's worth it.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
But I got to tell you, it's just worth it
from the experience, like my game's got better. When you
try to help other people's games get better and you
have to figure out how to construct ways to explain
it or talk about it, or to get it cross
or figure things out, it helps your game. And so
to help my game a ton and I would love
to have to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
You can go down in the information section below this podcast,
and on whatever platform you're listening on, it'll be in
different places, but there'll be all the links there for it.
But if you can't remember them or you don't want
to go to the links or whatever, it's low limit
cashgames dot com. You want to learn how to crush
as King? I got an ace King masterclass over there
for you. So if you don't want to sign up
for the Patreon, you just want to learn how to
crush with as King, I've got that which a really
excellent course.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
It's like ninety minutes. It's video, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It's actual hands played and descriptions, and so you get
a bit of understanding how to play a skin, which
is not a drawing hand, by the way, and if
you want to train one on one, look if it's
full over there, which it always is like I rarely
go more than a week that the one on one
training isn't full because I just cap that hard cap.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
How many people all let do that?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
If you will send me a private message and go, hey,
I really want to do that, but it's full, you know,
please let me know.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
When it's spot opener.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I want to take it, so shoot me a message
and let me know so I can try to form
a line or something that's hard for me to keep
up with. I'm not swearing to you i'll keep a
perfect listing of a line, but I will sure try
to help you. And I don't bring it on and
on about this, but I think it's important to understand
how and why we crush those stakes, and I want
to help you not make the mistakes I did by
(27:50):
letting these gto people mislead you and distract you into
hurting your game when you could be skyrocketing into high profitability.
Thanks for being here, Thanks for subscribing. Lolinmacash games dot com.
We will talk to you in the next episode.
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