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Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, welcome in.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Today we're going to be talking about.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
The difference between small pocket pairs and suited connectors. So
these are two hands that people play similarly. I jokingly
said to a friend of mine one time, a long
long time ago, but I've used it many times since,
and maybe other people have said it.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I don't want to take credit for it. Maybe somebody
else admitted it.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
But generally, when people are playing these small pocket pairs
and they're playing suited connectors, they're essentially playing bingo or
it's like putting a dollar in a slot machine. You're
hoping that you hit bingo on the flop. You're hoping
that you hit a jackpot on the flop. Because these
hands just aren't that strong on their own pocket deuces.
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Can I continue very often, if ever, past the flop.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Of ace King nine they just can't.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Likewise, you know, six' five suited can rarely if ever
continue across the flop Of Ace Queen Den. Rainbow just
it's very, difficult it's near. Impossible it rarely if ever.
Happens so they do have a lot of similarities in
the fact that they are essentially played as bingo hands
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or slot machine. Hands that's the way people play. Them
there's a few problems with how people play these hands generally,
speaking and then there's also some key differences between the.
Hands SO i wanted to talk about those briefly here
to try to help you start playing these hands. Better,
so IF i may quote somebody who is a memory
(02:00):
member of My patreon and is an active member over
on our private, discord she said recently that it's been
amazing how much her win rate has increased since she
started ditching tiny pocket pairs and bad suited connectors.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Under the gun and truer words were never.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Spoken if you're going to try to make And i'm
talking about these typical games that we're talking, about these
are the teams that keep people. Play if you're playing
in a low stakes at a local card room one
two no limit game one three to no limit, game.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Two two no limit, game and even two five no limit. Games, really.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Trying to make pocket deuces profitable from under the gun
is going to be a challenging proposition at. Best, likewise
trying to make seven six suited profitable.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
From under the gun is going to be very challenging at.
Best but what's the main problem with life? Poker does
anybody know what the main reason?
Speaker 1 (02:56):
People even people who are, trying even people who are
consciously trying to, win and they're, studying and maybe they subscribe,
to you.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Know podcast like, mine maybe you look at YouTube.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Videos maybe you've even subscribed to a training site like
My patreon training, site which is geared specifically to low stakes.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Players people still struggle to. Win you know?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
What the number one reason people struggle to win is
there's two, reasons, really two main. Reasons they kind of
fall hand in. Hand they're different but. Similar but boredom
is one and two is. Disciplined and a lot of
a discipline comes in the form of not being able
to fight the urges you have when you're. Bored so
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it's boredom and. Discipline these are the problems people. Have
when you've been looking at nine duce off ten to three,
off seven four off eight three. Off and you've been
looking at these hands for the past ninety minutes and
suddenly you get seven six suited under the.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Gun you're not folding that.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Hand you're just why because you're human and it's the
prettiest hand you've seen in ninety.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Minutes and you didn't come to the card room to.
Fold you didn't come and bring your money and plan
this whole day and drive thirty or forty five minutes
or an hour and an hour and a. HALF i
mean some people drive two. Hours you didn't do all
of that to come and fold for four. Hours and
you've had to fold for ninety.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Minutes and now you've got the seven six suited under the,
gun or you've got the pocket deuces under the, gun
and by, god we're playing. Them that's, fine it's fine
if you. Understand, Hey i'm not really looking to probably
show profit in, this but at least it's a HAND
i can play and maybe we'll quote unquote hit. Bingo
so with all that being, said the more you fold
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them from under the gun under the gun, one the
more your.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Hourly when rate will.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Increase just trust me on, that and we really want
to be with pocket. Pairs we really want to start
opening those somewhere around the sixes or sevens or eight,
range depending on how the game you're playing is, playing.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You want to come in for an open and if
you get.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Three, bet you, know depending on who three, bets how
big the three bet, is how deep the stacks, are
you'll probably be doing a fair amount of folding to three.
Bet and, then of, course depending on the same, sacrifactories
calling three bets with your pocket six, is, seven's eight's.
Whatever these, medium smallish pairs that you opened under the, gun, deuces.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Threes and, fours you can just just fold, them just
always fold.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Them, now, look if you're at a game where hardly
anybody's ever, raising they're just never, raising and you're in
a game where people will just stack off with two
pairs or top, pairs and you have deuces and you
limp it under the, gun and you think that there's
a fair amount of the time that you just get
to see a.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Flop for two.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Dollars you, know if you're in a game like, that
sure you can limp deuces under the. GUN i just
think it's better just fold. Them that way you don't
have to guess and. Wonder the other problem with deuces
is you get by literally every other pair when they
hit a, set and this is something people don't think
about a. Lot as a matter of, fact three or
four days, AGO i got a message from a guy
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who played pocket deuces and he got oversetted by a
pocket fours and he was trying to ask me how
he could have.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Avoided i'm not going to go deep into.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
How that conversation, went but, nevertheless that is a risk
that you run with.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Deuces does that mean you should never play.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Deuces, No But i'm just saying the higher your pairs,
are the least chance there is that you get.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Overseetted so there's.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Just many reasons to have some kind of a reasonable
structure for under the. Gun, now if you go look
UP gto ranges and, see you, know how often somebody
is opening pocket deuces under the gun or something like,
that you're going to find that it's very very very very.
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Rarely just for that, Example i'm going to pull up
SOME gto ranges right now for nine handed hundred big
one cash, games and this IS gto ranges Right these
are not tweaked for cash AND i don't come at.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
ME i get.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
IT i definitely don't USE gt, ranges but gto range
is a good starting. Point the only pair that is
full one hundred percent opening under the gun and one
hundred big blind cash game nine handed.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Is pocket, tens pocket nines is a.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Sliver pocket eight's is a. Sliver pocket seven's is a.
Sliver pucket six is a microscopic. Sliver pockets five's is
a sliver so SMALL i can barely even see the.
Line and so you, know this is what you run it.
Into and then how many suited connectors are opening under
the gun nine, handed hundred big blinds in a cash?
Game uh eight seven suited is a, sliver seven six
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suited a slightly bigger. Sliver six' five suited is the.
Biggest SLIVER and i would say it's, like ten, you
know ten percent. Or something so that gives you. Some,
context Now.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
This, dakouda gras this IS what i told you we'd be. Talking.
About that it took me forever to, get HERE.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
But i just really think it's important that we lay
a solid groundwork for everything that we're going to be
discussing with these.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Two hands but here's the difference in. The hands this is.
The primary there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Of Difference so i'm going to talk about, one difference
one big difference between tiny pocket pairs and.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Pseudo, connectors.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Rarely, if ever can you play small tiny pocket pairs across.
Multiple streets it's a one and. Done thing you flop
it or you don't.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Flop, it now sometimes it'll, check around.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And then sometimes you'll be in spots where you'll do
SOMETHING like i. DID well i, don't know it's been
a week or, two AGO but i had pocket FOURS
and i was in, CUT off i think, or something
and there was. A raise i was in a two
two game and was playing very small. This CASINO while
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i WAS at i stayed there. A, MONTH actually i
traveled and played a month in this poker room that
plays some of the smallest Two two i've. Ever seen
like the opening race sizes most times are not that
B and i did get into some juicy games where it,
got crazy, but anyway it was an open race to
seven or eight. Or something it might even been as high.
AS ten i, don't know but, you know we're, plenty
DEEP and i just called with the fours because there's
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a raise and there's a call, or whatever and it's
just in the spot where we're called.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
The FOURS and.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I don't remember what the, pot WAS but i know
there was a continuation bet on the flop and it was,
very small and, you know every card up there was
higher than, a four but it looked Like Something ace
king might A Miss ace queen might Of, Miss king
queen might. Of miss sometimes tiny fraction percent of the
time that were. Ahead, pot uh the bet in relationship
is a pot. Very tiny the players between me and that,
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player FOLDED so i knew there was a decent chance
i'd be heads up, and EAT and i wasn't.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
HEADS up i would have position even if the one
of the.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Blinds called and as it, turned out we did wind up,
heads up and as it, turned out we did think
a four on the turn.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Very cheaply and.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
As it, turns out they did catch a card they
needed on, The river they had, a two they had
an over, gut shot they did hit one of the
overs on, the RIVER and i wound up getting paid
a pretty nice. Handsome amount my, point is rarely you
can continue across multiple streets with, tiny pairs but it's very,
very rare and it's certainly going to. Be rare, if
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ever when you're under, the gun which, is AGAIN if
i could just go back to that fold, full fullfolk.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
It's GENERALLY a i either flopped IT or.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
I didn't and, you know this is where we go
way back in the day where people talked about small
pairs always in terms of, set mining.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Set mining we're. Set mining we're trying.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
To hit a SET and, i mean that is what
you're doing a decent amount of. The time but you
know that's not really the way we think about pairs
in later position. THESE days i raised with pairs little
pairs in later position in three.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Bet with them on occasion from later position. As well
again that's a hold of the subject for.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Another time but, generally speaking when you have, these, deuces, threes, fours,
fives whatever it's kind of a one. And done you
hit the flopp or, you didn't and your opportunity see
streets past the flop are going to be kneeling. Very
rarely on the, other hand suited connectors can play across
flops turns a lot of, the time and you can
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play them somewhat aggressively depending on. Your position and action and,
tack sizes player types and all these other things that
you can take, into account and so it's just a
it's a vastly. DIFFERENT animal i guess the equivalent would
be if we were playing suited connectors to always try
to flop top, two right that'd be the equivalent of
how we play little, pocket pairs because you're looking to
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flop a set. With them if puded connectors played the,
same way the equivalent would be is if you had eight,
seven suited if you were always trying to hit an
eight sevenduce, flop right which.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
It's just very hard to hit.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
That flop but with, suited connectors you can flop two
overs with a gut shot and a straight draw and
a flush draw or a back door flush draw or
just all these different, type things plus the, two pairs,
you know plus the weird full houses and all these.
Other things but you'll hit things that you can play across.
MULTIPLE streets i mean a lot of times that you
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can continue passively or aggressively across, multiple streets whether it
be as a call or.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
As a raise or as a.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Check raise many many things you can do with suited
connectors that you just simply can't do with. Pocket deuces
you just will never be able to do those things with.
Pocket deuces you either hit your deuce or, you didn't
and you're kind. Of done that doesn't mean that you
can't ever raise with, pocket deuces, you know if there
certainly might be a time where you're in position with
them and the board comes really bad for your opponent
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and you, decide to, you know try. A raise becau's
a specific opponent and a specific set.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Of circumstances but.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Generally, Speaking, no again it's it's most always a one
and done kind of thing on. The, flop whereas, for
sure pseudo connectors play so well across, multiple streets and
if you can play them well and you understand how
to play, THEM well i think they function a. Lot
better the other THING that i should add in is
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was we wrap, this up is that the safest of
the two and this is very interesting the ONES that
i see people lose the least amount of Money With
and i'm not talking about people winning the most amount.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Of money i'm talking.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
ABOUT when i see people lose the least amount. Of
money between these two, hand classes suit of connectors or tiny,
pocket pairs you lose the least with the tiny pocket
pears because people will, fold them they will fold on
the flop if, they missed and.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
So it's a.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Minimal investment on the, OTHER hand i see people play
ptuited connectors horribly all. The time they'll continue with one
pair hands that don't have really any hardly any other
way to improve other than.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
A five out two pair of drawer.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Or something when they're in an obvious situation where their
opponent's range just has them, thoroughly dominated then they should never.
Be continuing but they just get tied up and stuck
with a hand for. Whatever reason and so if you're
looking at which hand cost you to lie or which
hand people you know play more approprily, ON fops i
think it would be tiny pocket pairs because they're mostly
looking to hit, or fold whereas people just get themselves
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in trouble with.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Suited connectors so these are some.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Things to think about when you're trying to approach a
strategy with, your game how you're looking to play tiny.
Pocket pairs, big takeaways don't go broke with pseudo connectors
on one.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Pair boards.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Don't be playing pseuded connectors and tiny pairs from.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Under the gun or even under the gun, one often.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
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