May 4, 2025 • 20 mins
One of the biggest leaks at low stakes no limit holdem is poor utg play. Today we will talk range, raise sizes and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Welcome into another episode of the Littl Limit Cash
Games podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Glad to have you here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm going to jump right into the content talking about
something that comes up a ton. This is when you're
at a typical or even an extreme call happy low
stakes table, what should your under the gun rains look
like and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How should you play it?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Over on discord, I look at a lot of hand histories,
a lot of hand histories, and then you know the
people in the one on one coaching tier. We usually
go between three to five hand histories every time we
do a call with all of those guys.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So I see a lot of hand histories, and then
all the.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
People who message me on social media. It's a lot
of early position stuff. Like you, position is the key
to poker because when you're in position, you have added information.
You don't have perfect information, because poker is a game
(00:59):
of impart information.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We never have perfect information.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The most perfect information you'll ever have is when you're
in position. So when you're out of position, your opponent,
if they're not an idiot, and many of them are,
but if they're not, even.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Accidentally, they can just make your life hell.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Just button clicking, because you don't know what it means,
and you're out of position and you at a disadvantage,
which brings us around at the topic of today's podcast.
Only gun raising ranges at call happy tables. So this
describes pretty much every one, two, one, three, two five
no limit game I ever play in, and there's some exceptions.
(01:37):
I just came back from Jacksonville, where I would say
half the sessions I played there if I raised, everybody
folded often, which was the most bizarre thing I've ever
seen in which again goes to my point that I
don't think Jacksonville is the best place in Florida the
plate boker. I quit playing the two five there because
it's full of pros. And as a matter of fact,
(02:00):
I have a friend who's a pro over there, and
so I talked to him somewhile was there.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He started playing PLO because two five games is so bad.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
He has been spending time in the Sober World and
getting coaching on PLO and he's playing the PLO game.
That's how bad the games are with there Bay anyway,
an unraising ranges that call happy tables. So this is
tables where you know when you raise, you know you're
getting called by two, three, four, seven, people whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You just don't know, and then you know.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Our first instinct is as a player is well, I
need to raise bigger to quote unquote thin the field.
And that's just the worst thing that you can do
when you're at the worst position at the table.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Do you want to commit.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Way more money to the pot, have a much bigger
bloated pot and be out of position trying to navigate it.
So that's the secondary part of our discussion today. First
part of be ranges, the second part of the sizings
and things. So when you're under the gun in an
eight handed live game, and of course it's gonna be
nine handed live games as well, where there's just two
or three or more players almost always going to call
(03:04):
your pre fought raises, your strategy should adapt to that
table dynamic. I don't care what Gto says, I don't
care what Jim Bob told you. I don't care what
you read in a book somewhere. I don't care what
you watched in a video somewhere. You have to always
be adapting your game to conditions that you're playing at.
There is no one poker game. There isn't every table
(03:24):
you sit down at will be different. Every group of
players will be different.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You could sit down, you could.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Play the same group of players five nights in a row,
and the game would be different all five nights. Because
people bring their baggage to the game. They bring their
stress to the game, they bring their just say, they
decided to drink tonight to the game. They got stuck
last night, so they're playing different tonight, or they won
a ton last night and they feel invincible. Like every
game is different. And then when you add in the
(03:51):
different combinations of players and nights and all this, I mean,
you have to adapt to the game you're in. And
so one of the most common games is when you're
in one of these real call happy games. Because you're
often going to face multiple callers out of position, you're
gonna want to tighten your range and use smaller sizes.
I have to correct a typo here because for some
(04:14):
reason it says larger sizes, which is not correct. Odd
I typed this and still it said, I don't know
what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Anyway, I fixed it. So this is gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Protect your range. It's gonna help you avoid bloated pots.
Things like this allow you to build pots when you
do have stronger holdings and things are favorable, But you're
going to manage the size of the plot when it's not,
which is equally as important. So first of this under
the unraising range. Now, I talk a lot about a
handing because that's most of the games I play in,
(04:49):
But this for sure applaus to nine handed, and it's
even more appable than nine handed because there's an extra
person that can call you. So when when you're raising
from under the gun, and this is to a large
extent under the one as well. Uh, you want, Hands
is gonna perform well multi way, have lots of equity
even when you face several opponents.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
What is this gonna be. It's gonna be top of range.
It's just gonna be top of range, guys.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's why Hands performed the best multi way right and
have excellent equity against multiple hands.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You might think that it's suited connectors. You might have
read in a book somewhere that's suited connectors. That is
not true.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You're like, no, I remember reading somewhere man where it
said the more players you have in a hand, the
better it is to have suited connectors.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Bullshit, complete bullshit.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Uh, if I'm playing heads up or if I'm playing
eight ways to a flop, I want aces every time.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Aces will always have the most equity, always have the
most equity.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now, from a navigating across multiple streets standpoint, it can
be easier to navigate with navigate with pseudo connectors versus aces,
and then you can also crack people with aces who
are too stubborn to fold.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So there are some benefits.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But as far as straight up equity and hands that
perform well multiway, it's top of range, aces, Kings, queens,
Ace King of course, Ace Queen suited, and then it
kind of falls off from there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Of course you got Jackson Ten's are in there.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're not folding jacks or tens under the gun for sure,
but things starting to fall off, and then we get
down into things like King Queen suited. You're moving into
the bottom of range. I know you're like, what King queensity, Yeah,
it's King Queen sit is the is the bottom of
your under the gun raising range? Ace Jack suited absolute floor.
(06:34):
And there's a lot of games where I won't even
raise as Jack suited on this gun. Acejack off is
almost always a fold under the gun in the in
this type of game where I know I'm gonna get
let's just use a number three callers every time.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, I'm out of position to them every time.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Why why would I go to battles to It's a
weak hard to navigate holding when I don't have to
against these players that are just gonna always be calling
me right. There's no need for deception, there's no need
for balance, there's none of that stuff. And I just
don't need to put myself on that spot.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Ah jack suited.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't think I'm probably ever folding that hand, so
I think that'd be a bit too nitty. But now
and you get into age ten, I mean you're just
chunk it. You just chunk the ace ten a lot
of the time. So you just have to be careful
when you're wanting to get into these weaker connectors and
gappers and stuff like. People think these are good, they're not. Like,
(07:27):
how do you navigate post flop out of position super
multiway them? It's impossible, And I find it's a big leak.
I just talked about this in another episode of The
pot I recorded. I don't know when you will hear it.
You may have already heard it. It maybe scheduled for later.
I don't know the way I scheduled things. It's weird,
but I do schedule stuff in advance. But there is
an active member owner of the discord reminding you about
(07:47):
the discord how awesome it is. But this player just
posted within the past couple of weeks about how they're
hourly has improved. When they started dumping baby paars and
suited connectors under the.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Gun, they just fold them. They used to try to play.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Them, so you got to range its high equity hands.
They can win multiple situations. They got a lot of
value even when you're out of position, and they're pretty
easily easy to play. Aces are pretty easily easy to
play as long as you, you know, provided you're capable
of not getting married to them. These baby pairs and
(08:21):
suited connectors, you just gotta let them go.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So let's talk about about raised sizing. So if you
always got these two.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Three players minimum that are always calling your preflop raises
and then it can go more, you're gonna want to
start raising to a smaller preflop size. Now I know
that this is scary, It seems frightening. You're like, yeah,
how do I quote unquote thin the field?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But we don't. You're not going to defend the field.
They're just not gonna thend the field.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
If you're in a let's say you're in a one
to two game and you open raised to eight, or
you open race to twelve, or you open race to fifteen.
In these games I'm talking about, you're gonna get the
same amount of callers, whether it's eight or whether it's fifteen.
Now you might get an extra caller at eight and
so instead of three callers it's four, but at the
fifteen you're still getting the three. I mean, you know,
(09:10):
let's go with eight or ten. This is just you're
controlling the size of the pot. It's not getting too bloated.
Sprs your stacked to pot ratis don't get too low,
which causes you to automatically be committed a lot of
times across multiple streets with overpairs. Just a lot of
things happen. So I know it's scary, but just trust me.
The experience of many pros has proven us out. This
(09:33):
originally was brought our attention thanks to solvers, And look,
I don't think a ton of solver stuff always applies
necessarily to low stakes because it's just almost always exploitative.
But there are a lot of things we do at
low stakes thanks to solvers now that we didn't used
to do because it does apply a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this is one of them. And I could name
I won't name them, but I can name right now
two players that I've worked with, you know on a
one on one.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Basis that we're both resistant to go to smaller race
sizes on the gun, and now that they've been doing
it and seeing the results, you can't get them to
change it. They're sold on it. So you just have
to trust me on that. So the one exception that
I would make is when you're at absolute top of range,
you want to go with go larger. Right, So it's
(10:19):
I know it seems a little bit counterintuitive, but let's
talk about it and we're going to break it down.
So with your absolute top of range, your absolute monsters,
you still want to go larger. So when you have
pocket aces or you have pocket kings, those have so
much equity and they're so powerful. And if you know
you're gonna get called by like two three people, if
you can get them to give you twenty dollars or
(10:41):
twenty five dollars pre fop. You just have so much
equity and your hand is so big, let's do it.
And sure there's going to be downsides to play in
out a position, et cetera, but just sheer value of
the hand that you hold just makes it where I
just want to go bigger. Now, when I talk about
the smaller sizes, we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But aces and kings, no, not so much. So let's
say this table average.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You see a lot of raises to twelve or fifteen
or something, Well, you should go twenty under the gun.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
When you got aces and kings, try twenty two.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, you know, as the game progresses, you know,
if you get multiple chances with big monsters, you can
kind of guid and see how it's going. If you
can get twenty five, get twenty five.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When we have a big suited or sorry, big monster
pair like Aces and Kings, spr is getting lower is.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
A good thing. We're fine to put it all in
on any flop. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
If the spr happens to be you know, one to one,
one point five to one, two to one, something like that,
we're happy to just put it in Whereas on the
other end, if you have ace king or something like that,
and you raise too big and now your spr is
one point five to one, two to one, two point
five to one or something.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Now you have to put it all in.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You feel way less comfortable about it. So just find
out what you can do. We want to build big pots.
We're happy when sprs get lower. All these things are
good when we have big monsters like aces and kings. Now,
with everything else that's in that range that we talked about,
and remember we talked about what an under the gun
opening range looks like. Well, everything else is in that range,
(12:14):
you want to go smaller than the normal race size. Again,
I'll use the example if the rais size in this
game is fifteen. A lot of the time when you're
under the gun with this weaker part of that opening range,
you know, open to ten, open to ten. So now
we get into exploiting these players who call you too much.
You can't exploit them. You know you're out of position
(12:34):
and things aren't as rosy as they are when you're
in position. But look, adjusting to betting post flop, right,
you just don't want to be see betting too often.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I check a ton.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I check a ton when I raise under the gun
and get called by two three players, especially when it's
a dry board. Right, So when the board is really
really dry and you got multiple players that can't be
like monster draws and monster hands, and the only monster
hands they have will be probably sets because the board
is so dry. You know, I think checking is fine
(13:09):
and you can go for check, call, check rais.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Depending on the incentive of your hand.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
There's way too many scenarios for me to get too
involved in that, Like that could be a whole separate
episode talking about that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I do have episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
About you know, checking out of position and stuff when
you have monsters. But you can check a lot of stuff,
check a check a lot of stuff that hits part
of their range that they might want to bet, is
what I like to do. So let's say it comes
like ten to nine deuce or something ten nine three, Well,
they can't have a straight, but they can have a
lot of one pairs and gut shots and open enders
(13:45):
right that they that may stab at this board, and
then you just get to check raise them on boards
like that, and then when it comes super super scary,
like you know, eight seven six all hearts and you
have spades, so it's eight seven and six all hearts.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's three to us straight three hearts and all this
kind of stuff. You can go to a check call
and evaluate turn.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So that'd be one example or two different examples of
check raising and check calling. So when you just have
a like a you know you've arrived with some kind
of marginal top pair type situation. Maybe it's when you
had your open your king queen suited or something, and
so it comes like Queen Queen nine to eight or
(14:27):
Queen eight seven with two suits that you don't have.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You know you have top pair. You can play this.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Much more cautiously. We can either go for bet small
or we can go for a check call and then
look to see if things don't get too much scary
on the turn. How many people go with us in
the turn, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
These are the type things that you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Bluffing is almost non existent, right, You're just really not
gonna be bluffing a lot from out of position under
the gun against multiple players. Look, these players the whole
reason we're doing this episode the podcast, because these players
are just overly sticky, right, They're overly sticky pre just
call a tome they're willing to put in calls for
fifteen or twenty dollars. That's pretty much going to apply
to them postflop if they have any part of the flop.
(15:08):
And so the way you exploit them is by just
not trying to bluff them out of position when you
don't have any information in position, you can bluff bad
players because you get to see the strength of their
hand by what their actions are ahead of your actions.
A lot of the times, and so you do have
times you can bluff, but out of position multi way
or super multi way.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In a bloated pot, you know, bluffing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Just becomes something that you just rarely, if ever do.
Don't worry about being balanced and all this kind of stuff.
Just play your hand kind of straight up is what
you want to be doing. So let's see we can
summarize all this stuff into a nice, happy little package
and put a bow on it. Tight value heavy as
(15:50):
are under the gun range, high pairs, big broadways that
are preferably suited.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Things of this nature raise size.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So twenty dollars with aces kings something like that in
a one to two game. Let's just do it in
big blinds that'll cover the one three game and all that.
You know, like if it's normally seven big mind opens
or something just open for ten open really big.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
When you got aces and kings.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, when you have these monsters, and when you
have the lower end of your opening range, you go smaller.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Five big minds or six big blinds. That'd be like
ten dollars twelve dollars in a one two.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So if you take this approach, adjusting the range and
then adjusting your opening size, it's going to help you
maximize value for those monster premium hands. You're gonna get
minimized risk when you're in these tough spots with these
marginal holdings and things with this nature against multiple opponents
have position on you, and I promise you that your
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Hello, Welcome into another episode of the Littl Limit Cash
Games podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Glad to have you here.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I'm going to jump right into the content talking about
something that comes up a ton. This is when you're
at a typical or even an extreme call happy low
stakes table, what should your under the gun rains look
like and.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
How should you play it?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Over on discord, I look at a lot of hand histories,
a lot of hand histories, and then you know the
people in the one on one coaching tier. We usually
go between three to five hand histories every time we
do a call with all of those guys.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
So I see a lot of hand histories, and then
all the.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
People who message me on social media. It's a lot
of early position stuff. Like you, position is the key
to poker because when you're in position, you have added information.
You don't have perfect information, because poker is a game
(00:59):
of impart information.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
We never have perfect information.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
The most perfect information you'll ever have is when you're
in position. So when you're out of position, your opponent,
if they're not an idiot, and many of them are,
but if they're not, even.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Accidentally, they can just make your life hell.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Just button clicking, because you don't know what it means,
and you're out of position and you at a disadvantage,
which brings us around at the topic of today's podcast.
Only gun raising ranges at call happy tables. So this
describes pretty much every one, two, one, three, two five
no limit game I ever play in, and there's some exceptions.
(01:37):
I just came back from Jacksonville, where I would say
half the sessions I played there if I raised, everybody
folded often, which was the most bizarre thing I've ever
seen in which again goes to my point that I
don't think Jacksonville is the best place in Florida the
plate boker. I quit playing the two five there because
it's full of pros. And as a matter of fact,
(02:00):
I have a friend who's a pro over there, and
so I talked to him somewhile was there.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
He started playing PLO because two five games is so bad.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
He has been spending time in the Sober World and
getting coaching on PLO and he's playing the PLO game.
That's how bad the games are with there Bay anyway,
an unraising ranges that call happy tables. So this is
tables where you know when you raise, you know you're
getting called by two, three, four, seven, people whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
You just don't know, and then you know.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Our first instinct is as a player is well, I
need to raise bigger to quote unquote thin the field.
And that's just the worst thing that you can do
when you're at the worst position at the table.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Do you want to commit.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Way more money to the pot, have a much bigger
bloated pot and be out of position trying to navigate it.
So that's the secondary part of our discussion today. First
part of be ranges, the second part of the sizings
and things. So when you're under the gun in an
eight handed live game, and of course it's gonna be
nine handed live games as well, where there's just two
or three or more players almost always going to call
(03:04):
your pre fought raises, your strategy should adapt to that
table dynamic. I don't care what Gto says, I don't
care what Jim Bob told you. I don't care what
you read in a book somewhere. I don't care what
you watched in a video somewhere. You have to always
be adapting your game to conditions that you're playing at.
There is no one poker game. There isn't every table
(03:24):
you sit down at will be different. Every group of
players will be different.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
You could sit down, you could.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Play the same group of players five nights in a row,
and the game would be different all five nights. Because
people bring their baggage to the game. They bring their
stress to the game, they bring their just say, they
decided to drink tonight to the game. They got stuck
last night, so they're playing different tonight, or they won
a ton last night and they feel invincible. Like every
game is different. And then when you add in the
(03:51):
different combinations of players and nights and all this, I mean,
you have to adapt to the game you're in. And
so one of the most common games is when you're
in one of these real call happy games. Because you're
often going to face multiple callers out of position, you're
gonna want to tighten your range and use smaller sizes.
I have to correct a typo here because for some
(04:14):
reason it says larger sizes, which is not correct. Odd
I typed this and still it said, I don't know
what I was thinking.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Anyway, I fixed it. So this is gonna help you.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Protect your range. It's gonna help you avoid bloated pots.
Things like this allow you to build pots when you
do have stronger holdings and things are favorable, But you're
going to manage the size of the plot when it's not,
which is equally as important. So first of this under
the unraising range. Now, I talk a lot about a
handing because that's most of the games I play in,
(04:49):
But this for sure applaus to nine handed, and it's
even more appable than nine handed because there's an extra
person that can call you. So when when you're raising
from under the gun, and this is to a large
extent under the one as well. Uh, you want, Hands
is gonna perform well multi way, have lots of equity
even when you face several opponents.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
What is this gonna be. It's gonna be top of range.
It's just gonna be top of range, guys.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's why Hands performed the best multi way right and
have excellent equity against multiple hands.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
You might think that it's suited connectors. You might have
read in a book somewhere that's suited connectors. That is
not true.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
You're like, no, I remember reading somewhere man where it
said the more players you have in a hand, the
better it is to have suited connectors.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Bullshit, complete bullshit.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Uh, if I'm playing heads up or if I'm playing
eight ways to a flop, I want aces every time.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Aces will always have the most equity, always have the
most equity.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Now, from a navigating across multiple streets standpoint, it can
be easier to navigate with navigate with pseudo connectors versus aces,
and then you can also crack people with aces who
are too stubborn to fold.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
So there are some benefits.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
But as far as straight up equity and hands that
perform well multiway, it's top of range, aces, Kings, queens,
Ace King of course, Ace Queen suited, and then it
kind of falls off from there.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Of course you got Jackson Ten's are in there.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You're not folding jacks or tens under the gun for sure,
but things starting to fall off, and then we get
down into things like King Queen suited. You're moving into
the bottom of range. I know you're like, what King queensity, Yeah,
it's King Queen sit is the is the bottom of
your under the gun raising range? Ace Jack suited absolute floor.
(06:34):
And there's a lot of games where I won't even
raise as Jack suited on this gun. Acejack off is
almost always a fold under the gun in the in
this type of game where I know I'm gonna get
let's just use a number three callers every time.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I mean, I'm out of position to them every time.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Why why would I go to battles to It's a
weak hard to navigate holding when I don't have to
against these players that are just gonna always be calling
me right. There's no need for deception, there's no need
for balance, there's none of that stuff. And I just
don't need to put myself on that spot.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Ah jack suited.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I don't think I'm probably ever folding that hand, so
I think that'd be a bit too nitty. But now
and you get into age ten, I mean you're just
chunk it. You just chunk the ace ten a lot
of the time. So you just have to be careful
when you're wanting to get into these weaker connectors and
gappers and stuff like. People think these are good, they're not. Like,
(07:27):
how do you navigate post flop out of position super
multiway them? It's impossible, And I find it's a big leak.
I just talked about this in another episode of The
pot I recorded. I don't know when you will hear it.
You may have already heard it. It maybe scheduled for later.
I don't know the way I scheduled things. It's weird,
but I do schedule stuff in advance. But there is
an active member owner of the discord reminding you about
(07:47):
the discord how awesome it is. But this player just
posted within the past couple of weeks about how they're
hourly has improved. When they started dumping baby paars and
suited connectors under the.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Gun, they just fold them. They used to try to play.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Them, so you got to range its high equity hands.
They can win multiple situations. They got a lot of
value even when you're out of position, and they're pretty
easily easy to play. Aces are pretty easily easy to
play as long as you, you know, provided you're capable
of not getting married to them. These baby pairs and
(08:21):
suited connectors, you just gotta let them go.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
So let's talk about about raised sizing. So if you
always got these two.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Three players minimum that are always calling your preflop raises
and then it can go more, you're gonna want to
start raising to a smaller preflop size. Now I know
that this is scary, It seems frightening. You're like, yeah,
how do I quote unquote thin the field?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
But we don't. You're not going to defend the field.
They're just not gonna thend the field.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
If you're in a let's say you're in a one
to two game and you open raised to eight, or
you open race to twelve, or you open race to fifteen.
In these games I'm talking about, you're gonna get the
same amount of callers, whether it's eight or whether it's fifteen.
Now you might get an extra caller at eight and
so instead of three callers it's four, but at the
fifteen you're still getting the three. I mean, you know,
(09:10):
let's go with eight or ten. This is just you're
controlling the size of the pot. It's not getting too bloated.
Sprs your stacked to pot ratis don't get too low,
which causes you to automatically be committed a lot of
times across multiple streets with overpairs. Just a lot of
things happen. So I know it's scary, but just trust me.
The experience of many pros has proven us out. This
(09:33):
originally was brought our attention thanks to solvers, And look,
I don't think a ton of solver stuff always applies
necessarily to low stakes because it's just almost always exploitative.
But there are a lot of things we do at
low stakes thanks to solvers now that we didn't used
to do because it does apply a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
And this is one of them. And I could name
I won't name them, but I can name right now
two players that I've worked with, you know on a
one on one.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Basis that we're both resistant to go to smaller race
sizes on the gun, and now that they've been doing
it and seeing the results, you can't get them to
change it. They're sold on it. So you just have
to trust me on that. So the one exception that
I would make is when you're at absolute top of range,
you want to go with go larger. Right, So it's
(10:19):
I know it seems a little bit counterintuitive, but let's
talk about it and we're going to break it down.
So with your absolute top of range, your absolute monsters,
you still want to go larger. So when you have
pocket aces or you have pocket kings, those have so
much equity and they're so powerful. And if you know
you're gonna get called by like two three people, if
you can get them to give you twenty dollars or
(10:41):
twenty five dollars pre fop. You just have so much
equity and your hand is so big, let's do it.
And sure there's going to be downsides to play in
out a position, et cetera, but just sheer value of
the hand that you hold just makes it where I
just want to go bigger. Now, when I talk about
the smaller sizes, we'll get into that.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
But aces and kings, no, not so much. So let's
say this table average.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You see a lot of raises to twelve or fifteen
or something, Well, you should go twenty under the gun.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
When you got aces and kings, try twenty two.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I mean, you know, as the game progresses, you know,
if you get multiple chances with big monsters, you can
kind of guid and see how it's going. If you
can get twenty five, get twenty five.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Man.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
When we have a big suited or sorry, big monster
pair like Aces and Kings, spr is getting lower is.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
A good thing. We're fine to put it all in
on any flop. Right.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
If the spr happens to be you know, one to one,
one point five to one, two to one, something like that,
we're happy to just put it in Whereas on the
other end, if you have ace king or something like that,
and you raise too big and now your spr is
one point five to one, two to one, two point
five to one or something.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Now you have to put it all in.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You feel way less comfortable about it. So just find
out what you can do. We want to build big pots.
We're happy when sprs get lower. All these things are
good when we have big monsters like aces and kings. Now,
with everything else that's in that range that we talked about,
and remember we talked about what an under the gun
opening range looks like. Well, everything else is in that range,
(12:14):
you want to go smaller than the normal race size. Again,
I'll use the example if the rais size in this
game is fifteen. A lot of the time when you're
under the gun with this weaker part of that opening range,
you know, open to ten, open to ten. So now
we get into exploiting these players who call you too much.
You can't exploit them. You know you're out of position
(12:34):
and things aren't as rosy as they are when you're
in position. But look, adjusting to betting post flop, right,
you just don't want to be see betting too often.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I check a ton.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I check a ton when I raise under the gun
and get called by two three players, especially when it's
a dry board. Right, So when the board is really
really dry and you got multiple players that can't be
like monster draws and monster hands, and the only monster
hands they have will be probably sets because the board
is so dry. You know, I think checking is fine
(13:09):
and you can go for check, call, check rais.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Depending on the incentive of your hand.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
There's way too many scenarios for me to get too
involved in that, Like that could be a whole separate
episode talking about that.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And I do have episodes.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
About you know, checking out of position and stuff when
you have monsters. But you can check a lot of stuff,
check a check a lot of stuff that hits part
of their range that they might want to bet, is
what I like to do. So let's say it comes
like ten to nine deuce or something ten nine three, Well,
they can't have a straight, but they can have a
lot of one pairs and gut shots and open enders
(13:45):
right that they that may stab at this board, and
then you just get to check raise them on boards
like that, and then when it comes super super scary,
like you know, eight seven six all hearts and you
have spades, so it's eight seven and six all hearts.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
It's three to us straight three hearts and all this
kind of stuff. You can go to a check call
and evaluate turn.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So that'd be one example or two different examples of
check raising and check calling. So when you just have
a like a you know you've arrived with some kind
of marginal top pair type situation. Maybe it's when you
had your open your king queen suited or something, and
so it comes like Queen Queen nine to eight or
(14:27):
Queen eight seven with two suits that you don't have.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
You know you have top pair. You can play this.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Much more cautiously. We can either go for bet small
or we can go for a check call and then
look to see if things don't get too much scary
on the turn. How many people go with us in
the turn, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
These are the type things that you can do.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Bluffing is almost non existent, right, You're just really not
gonna be bluffing a lot from out of position under
the gun against multiple players. Look, these players the whole
reason we're doing this episode the podcast, because these players
are just overly sticky, right, They're overly sticky pre just
call a tome they're willing to put in calls for
fifteen or twenty dollars. That's pretty much going to apply
to them postflop if they have any part of the flop.
(15:08):
And so the way you exploit them is by just
not trying to bluff them out of position when you
don't have any information in position, you can bluff bad
players because you get to see the strength of their
hand by what their actions are ahead of your actions.
A lot of the times, and so you do have
times you can bluff, but out of position multi way
or super multi way.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
In a bloated pot, you know, bluffing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Just becomes something that you just rarely, if ever do.
Don't worry about being balanced and all this kind of stuff.
Just play your hand kind of straight up is what
you want to be doing. So let's see we can
summarize all this stuff into a nice, happy little package
and put a bow on it. Tight value heavy as
(15:50):
are under the gun range, high pairs, big broadways that
are preferably suited.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Things of this nature raise size.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So twenty dollars with aces kings something like that in
a one to two game. Let's just do it in
big blinds that'll cover the one three game and all that.
You know, like if it's normally seven big mind opens
or something just open for ten open really big.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
When you got aces and kings.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
You know, when you have these monsters, and when you
have the lower end of your opening range, you go smaller.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Five big minds or six big blinds. That'd be like
ten dollars twelve dollars in a one two.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
So if you take this approach, adjusting the range and
then adjusting your opening size, it's going to help you
maximize value for those monster premium hands. You're gonna get
minimized risk when you're in these tough spots with these
marginal holdings and things with this nature against multiple opponents
have position on you, and I promise you that your
win rate will increase. I hope you've enjoyed this episode
of the pod. I'd like to invite you if you
(16:52):
want to become a crusher at one, two, one, three,
even two five no limit, you want to sign up
for you know, some coaching, some trainings, videos, some handhitteror
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good stuff. Come on over to Lowlimit cash games dot com.
It's a Patreon based training sites. That way I save
a ton of money. I'll not having to have developers
(17:14):
and engineers and rocket scientists building me a website. Patreon
hands all the building and I just get to make
content and kind of be a one man show. And
I cap and limit the amount of people that can join,
so you can ask anybody you want to sign up
for a month and check it out, pop in discord
and see how long it takes me to reply to people,
(17:34):
respond to people, try to help people out. And you
just don't get that from any of the other quote unquote coaches,
And you also don't get that from any of the
other people who are just in training sites because they
have fifty one hundred no limit content, they have one
hundred two hundred no limit content, and they just have
all kind of stuff to just just just completely irrelevant
to most one, two, one, three, no limit games. I'd
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(17:57):
Cash games dot Com is the address I had planned
on telling you that we had spots opened up in
the one on one package, which is the highest tier
over there, so you get one on one time with
me every month. Plus everything else. But before I actually
got to hit publish on this this afternoon, which is
what I'm going to do. In about ten minutes after
(18:18):
I cleaned this up a little bit, that's the slot
was filled. So it's back full again. And you know,
all I can tell you is if you want, you know,
be notified about that. I have a list already of
people that want to be notified anytime a slot comes open.
They don't come up and very often, and when they do,
it's usually just like one slot. I only I limit
(18:39):
it to eight people because you know, I don't do
this for a living. That's not why I do this.
So you know, if I was doing it for a living, boy,
i'd be coaching five people a day, five days a week. No,
I don't do it one day a month. I coach
eight people one day a month. Sometimes we spread it
over two days. I'll do four one day for the next.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
That's it. I'm not in this for a job. I've
done all the work and I'm going to do it
in my life. But I enjoy working with people.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Look, my point was, if you shoot me a message
if you want to be notified when a slot comes open,
so you don't have to try to play the lottery.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm happy to add you to the list, but.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
I mean, I would just recommend if you want to
be in the one on one coaching tier, just check
every day, every other day or something and see if
a spot has come open. We just did recently have
one come open, but now and then it's just instantly field.
So look, the bottom tier is if you're a fan
of the pot and you just want to get a
high quality episode like this every every Sunday of the month,
(19:35):
not just one Sunday of the month.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's five bucks.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
It's five bucks, and you will hear an episode of
what I hope to be higher quality, helpful information for
you five bucks, and it keeps me motivated to keep
doing it. And then the twenty five dollars tier full blown,
like I don't know how many thousands of hours I
think it's probably I know it's hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of hours of audio content, hundreds of hours of
(19:58):
video content, plus all this.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Stuf that happens over the discord.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
You pretty much get personal access to me, you know,
within reason, for twenty five bucks. Like I mean, nobody's
just sitting anybody out there competing with that. Like again,
I'm not out here trying to make a living off
of it, So I'm just like, hey, what I feel
like this is worth my time right and doesn't take
a lot because.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I love it all right, I've talked a lot about that.
I don't want to bore you.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
I just want to let I know we would love
to have you over. If you're tired of losing at
one two or breaking even at one two and one
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know you'd like to get better and you were serious
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Speaker 2 (20:39):
Hope to see you there. Hope you enjoyed this episode.
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We'll see you next month here on the Public Facing
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