September 8, 2025 • 43 mins
The conversation delves into the current state of law and order in America, highlighting concerns over rising crime rates, political responses, and the role of law enforcement agencies like the FBI. The discussion also emphasizes the importance of apprenticeships in workforce development, advocating for a shift in societal perceptions of trade jobs as viable and lucrative career paths..
Guests:
John Ligato, Retired military and author
Greg Sizemore, Vice President Workforce Development Safety Health and Environmental · Associated Builders and Contractors
Guests:
John Ligato, Retired military and author
Greg Sizemore, Vice President Workforce Development Safety Health and Environmental · Associated Builders and Contractors
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Promoting American industry. This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome to Made in America. I'm delighted you're here today.
I just got to tell you every week, you know,
I keep thinking there's going to be a bad news day,
because I've been doing this for a long long time,
and they just get better in terms of news days.
I'm not saying the news is good, because I don't
think the news is good very often. I think there's
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a lot of depth destruction in maim and lack of
law and order and civilization, and you know, a lot
of stuff is going to hell as far as I'm
concerned with a lot of people, and I see a
lot of lying and innuendo running around the country, and
people believe it and they don't know what to do
with it, and so it bothers me. Getting back to
my point, it's never a bad news day, and I've
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got to tell you that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
When I'm I.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Don't want to get back to law and order because
I've been very concerned about this for the last well
the last few years, but certainly in the last few
few weeks, it seems like here's my point, it seems
like lack of law and order, lack of respect, lack
of doing the right thing, lack of correct support. Political
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structure is more important. You can qualify a murder. Look
at the guy that shot the CEO of.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
United Insurance.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, believe in it, I mean, and he qualified.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I mean, just look at his arrogance.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And people just qualify doing what they're doing because it's,
you know, it's the right thing to do, because in
the long run, you know, for the village, as the
Marxist would say, for the village that you know, it's
the means justified the extremes. And that just seems to
be the way we are right now. I mean when
I find politicians of communities, whether they're mayors or their governors,
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you know, their senators, you know their congressmen, women, and
they're justifying sort of like Maxine Waters did when Trump
came in. Trump one point oh, and she said, you
get in their face, you tell them they're not welcome here. Well,
that's a pretty violent statement coming from an elected official
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in Congress and in the Senate.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It just it's a.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Very violent statement, and I think it put us down
a very, very very bad road. I mean, even Obama's
comment when he said, you know, elections have consequences, and
they do have consequences, but the way he said it,
the way it came about, was so destructive. I thought
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for this nation that it gave my pointming back to
the point, it gave the illusion that it's okay to
go after somebody. Now you could go after somebody verbally,
you can talk, you can you know that that's your right.
I mean, Nigel Faraj has been fighting that for the
last couple of weeks in the UK, where they arrested
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people for coming out with a comedian, a comedian of
all people coming out and saying things that you know,
a lot of some folks not a lot of folks,
but some folks didn't like because it was unfair. There
was certain immigrant status that's over there. Although he had
every right to say what he wanted to say to
this guy. They were even arresting eleven year olds. It
was just just insane. But the point you get back
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to hear and the point is that I find governors
who are making it policy to thwart the efforts of
the federal government by doing the right thing. That is
the government doing the right thing, and the governor not
doing the right thing, and becoming.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Normalized with crime.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
In other words, you know, we only had you know,
five making up a number five hundred murders last year
and this year we only have four hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Wow, we're doing really well.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't think you're doing well because four hundred people
got killed. That's not I mean, that's if it's all reported.
That's not even including those who got chop, mainstab, choked,
pushed off roofs, put in front of you know, a subway, cars, trains,
and so forth. I mean, we just live in a
very very strange place. So having said that, we're gonna
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have a very interesting show today. You know, first of all,
we're gonna have John Legatto back on the show. We're, uh,
we're gonna have a conversation with John, a former special
agent with the FBI, marine, author of four major books,
a podcaster, you know, the a filmmaker. I mean, John
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is you know, he checks off all the boxes, but
more importantly, he checks off the important one, and that's
law and order, and that's believing in this country, embracing
your country, loving what we do, and giving everybody a
fair shake. I mean, that's that's the bottom line, that's
what we're all about. So John's gonna be here and
we're gonna talk about, well, law and order. We're gonna
talk about Chicago and maybe a little bit about Baltimore,
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but Chicago, because I'm very concerned that, you know, I'm
looking at the city and I'm trying to understand what's
going on. There've been an enormous amount of shootings, you know,
fifty eight shootings in the last two weeks, fifty eight
shootings Labor Day weekend, fifty eight shootings and eight people.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Ultimately, eight people died.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Seven died originally in the first wave, and then someone
passed away after that, so that's eight people. But I'm
told that the crimes coming down, and we you know,
we don't need to have the troops. You know, we're
doing the right thing. Just give us the money, give
us the programmes. Well, that kind of ticks me off.
That bothers me a lot. So we're gonna have a
conversation about law and order, and we're gonna talk to
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John about it, and then we're gonna find out some
of the things that John's doing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
We want to get more involved with.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
His podcast, but also his book He has a book out,
The Comy Gang, which I think is absolutely important that
you get a hold of at Amazon and read about
because James Comby's got.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
A lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Man, there's a lot going on about James Comey and
John gets into it and what was going on at
the FBI. So we're going to have that really you know, exciting,
colorful conversation, and then we're going to be talking to
another friend of the show who who has been talking
about apprenticeship program, Greg Sizemore. And Greg is involved with
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the Associated Builders and Contractors Association for Workforce and Apprenticeships
and you know, apprenticeships, talking about that. I've been covering
that about fifteen years. Apprenticeships are really important.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And the governor and the mayor of Mayor of Baltimore
and the Governor of Maryland have indicated, well, what we
really need to get rid of some of this crime
that we have here is a more stable economy and
we need better housing. We need a affordable housing. You know,
we have people have to have jobs. And then they
talk about the lack of the American dream, and we're
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going to talk about that, and I guess really hip
on that stuff, and we're gonna get involved in the
fact that well, you know, we're to apprenticeships fit in
other than the fact which we truly ironic that you know,
President Trump have one of the most successful shows on television,
the apprenticeship, and uh, it's you know, it's a term.
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It's a word that's been around for decades and years
and years and years and years and eons, and in Europe,
apprenticeships are really important, particularly those in the food industry.
Becoming a sioux chef or becoming a master chef. You know,
you went through a tortuous period of an apprenticeship to
learn that trade, and that trade ultimately gave you the
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opportunity to embrace a better lifestyle for yourself. But you
sure sack paid some dues along the way to earn
that right to become a chef, or in the in
other areas, to earn that right in the construction program,
to earn that right in banking and finance and all
of sorts.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
There are other things that are out there.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Electrical, you know, all the major trades have apprenticeship programs
and they're they're just off the wall, they're incredible. So
we're gonna have a good conversation about that, and hopefully
that will lead us back to a summation when we
talk about you know what, you know, let's let's talk
about this crime thing and maybe some of all this
fits together.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And uh and and we're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So we're gonna be back in just a minute. We're
gonna be talking to John. We're gonna be talking about
law and order and uh and maybe we'll get a
catch up on what's going on with the guys in
the US Navy. So don't go anywhere. We're right here,
and you're right here with me and Made in America.
We're gonna be right back with a lot more show. Okay,
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welcome back to Media in America. This is Rick Droffman,
I'm your host in on the show today. Right now
it is John Legato at well originally from South Philly.
We can talk about that in a second, because that's
that had really prepare him for life. I can tell
you that I come from the Lower East Side of
New York, and I can tell you I learned how
to handle some pretty tough guys. I did it with humor,
by the way, and and and a pair of head
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sneakers but just to get that straight. So John is here,
and John, of course, uh is a former special agent
with the FBI. He was with Alpha Company in Vietnam.
Uh he served in a tet adventure offensive which was
scary as hell, a really rough time for US servicemen
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and uh and then came home and he had two
medal of honors and purple hearts. I mean, the guy's
just incredible. He's he's a walking, you know, American hero.
But and and and and so doing working with the FBI.
You know, John went undercover, he went after crime. So
this is a guy who really understands, you know, the
reality of life.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
John Legato, welcome the maide in America. So glad you're here.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, thank you. But let me correct you. I don't
have to medal of honors. My company commander and Put
two commander received two Medal of Honors at Wayte City.
But I have a bronze star and three purple hearts,
which is, you know, nothing compared to the medal of honor.
But thank you, No.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It isn't how you made that mistake. I apologize for
that absolutely. But on the other hand, three purple hearts
ain't bad. That's outrageous. John, That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So, John, I got to ask you this, and then
we'll play a couple of bykes and we'll listen to
what some of the folks that are saying out there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know, I'm looking at the landscape right now, and John,
I am trying to understand why the Democratic elected officials
in states and cities are absolutely fighting a law and
order protocol that this president is trying to establish for
the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What's your take on that? I mean, what is the
story with that?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
How could you come out against your own people and
support you know, well, we don't want to have more troops,
and even though we know more troops they are going
to help, we don't want more cops because we know
that's going to help. I just don't get it, John,
It seems occamoronic to me.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What do you think, Well, you hit it on the head,
you know, the subtle use of language in that they
say crimes coming down, But what are the statistics you said,
you know, four hundred murders versus five hundred, there's still
rampant crime. So you got the Illinois governor calling, you know,
the intervention of Trump an abuse of power. But what
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dat don't understand. The jurisdiction is a thing called the
supremacy Cause of the Constitution. I won't get too deep
in the weeds here, but basically it says that in
all matters of equal jurisdiction, the federal government shall maintain
the power and the jurisdiction. So they're fighting this in
the courts, but they will lose eventually once they get
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out of liberal judges. The Supreme Court has to rule
in favor of the supremacy cause, which gives Trump the
jurisdiction and power to put troops in wherever he wants
to put troops to crime.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, that's exactly correct, you know what. Let's hey, Phil,
let's go ahead and look at five A. I want
to play five A where he's talking about with Pritsker's
talking about begging for federal funds and kind of normalizing
the absurdity.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let's go When did we become a country where it's
okay for the US president to insist on national television
that a state should call him to beg for anything,
especially something we don't want. Have we truly lost all
sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this
as normal.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, I find that statement John to be totally outrageous,
and I'm going to come up with an analogy to
that in a second.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
But what is this guy talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He's begging for money, and I guess Trump doesn't want
to give him the money certain funds because he's not
using them correct.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean, we don't.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
We have the right as a federal government to decide. Listen,
those funds are not being used correctly, or their people
are in trouble, they're hurting, they're being threatened, and it
is my obligation as a president to do the right
thing based upon what you just said before.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Well, you know, the executive branch has a lot of power,
and what's going on now is that the liberals are
trying to take away his power like he would be
you know, the president of his own company, say Trump.
They're saying that he can't hire and fire his employees,
and you know when he lets people go, they fight it, right,
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But again, he has every right to deploy troops to
hire and fire who he wants. So what this was
the governor of Illinois. I have no idea what he
was saying other than how can any governor or mayor
of the city not want help and fighting crimes when
the statistics are through the ripe, especially Chicago. You mentioned,
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Chicago for the last six seven years is basically the
murder capital of the world. The number of shootings and
actual murders they have on a weekly basis, you know,
as far exceeds New York and other big cities. So
I have no idea what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, yeah, I mean it really gets down to, well,
it just gets down to the politicalization of this whole thing,
because none of it makes sense. But you know what's interesting,
he says, when when does a governor have to ask
the federal government, you know, to for money or to help. Well,
let me, let me give you an analogy on that.
And this is a fact. When we have a hurricane
in the state of Florida and FEMA needs to come
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in or the National Guard and so whatever they need
to do. Do you want do you realize that unless
a letter is sent to the President of the United
States by the governor, those resources are not released to
that state. Regardless of the situation of the state, they're
not released, which is why they declare a state of emergency.
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But you know, when they know they're going to get
hit by a hurricane. They do that in advance, so
everything is stage. But the the truth of the matter is,
and I know this because it happened once, that the
order did not go out, It did not get to
Washington and the and the resources that we needed down here.
It was one of those years that we had like
five hurricanes and you know, every two and a half
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week to get another hurricane, and it just didn't happen
for a very very brief period of time. But the
reality of it is that you know, you had to.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You know, had to ask for it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's that triggers the whole thing. So so I find
that to be amazing. So but what bothers me? John
getting back to the politicalization of Pritzker, And I don't
understand Pritzker at all except someone told me he's on
a diet.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean, Trump called him a pig the other day
in a press conference. I just find that to be amazing.
But he doesn't hold back, you know, I guess that's
from the Apprentice, But he.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Doesn't hold back.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But listen to this, listen to b for a second,
and I bet that gives us a little more insight
into the psychology of Governor Pritzker.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Five V.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Let's be clear, the terror and cruelty is the point,
not the safety of anyone living here.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Will I kind of tell you something about Chris does
that John?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah? You know? Is he says that they don't want
the funds or that the federal government must give them
automatically money and any amount that they request. I think
they're saying both. And if you look at the analogy
of this New York mayor, they're about to elect a socialist.
What's going to happen is they're going to eventually ask
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the federal government for a bailout. After he's you know,
gives billions of dollars, you know, to for social issues.
Who is going to bail them out? What they liberal
governments always do that they create a deficit based on
their ideology, and then when they get in trouble they
ask the federal government. So the federal government has no
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don't I don't want to use the word duty, but
say obligation to bail liberal cities out number one, and
then they'll complain that you must do it in this amount.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
We need a billion dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
We're a billion dollars down because we screwed up and
you must give us the money. But I think Trump
has made in roads on that and some of these
DEI policies with some of these colleges and cities saying
if you don't do this, you won't get the money.
And they back off. Many of them had backed off,
which I thought they wouldn't, but they do because they
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understand the power of the book Let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They understand the power of the first you want to
stick with all literation.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But yeah, that's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But you know what's interesting to me is that the
mayor of Washington, d C. He was so you know,
anti Trump. I mean, she really fought against him in
all her minions.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But she changed your tune.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I think she changed your tune for the exact
reason John, that you're talking about. That she needs law
and order, she needs the money from the FED. That
above all is very.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Very important for her people.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
If she doesn't do that, doesn't get it under control,
she ain't getting reelected because I mean people, they are
pretty much terrorized. What's going on? So, I mean, like
money changes heads, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, the other thing that's going on here is that
law enforcement is under siege. You have a police that
are fleeing in droves from liberal cities, and the reason
is these police officers no longer can be proactive enforcing
the law. They're just reactive. And what that means is
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is that they enforce the law, then they can get
in trouble, they can get sued, they can lose their
qualified immunity. So why is your pension? And that's going
on like you wouldn't believe. And part of that is
what happened to the FBI. My FBI what I retire
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twenty three years years ago. I remember people saying to me,
boy I never met an FBI agent before. We had
such wonderful reputation and after Mueller and Knee, they destroyed
that reputation and it's gonna take years and years to
get back.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, I agree with that. It's it's an absolute chamee.
Ever since Kevin Costner left the FBI. Oh wait a minute,
that was the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm sorry I got confused on that, but yeah, the
FBI was the pre eminent law force to me in
the world. When you called in the FBI, the real
guys came in to do something, you know, correct, and
make sure the right thing was done in justice was served.
But it doesn't seem to be that way. We're gonna
take a break, Yeah, I think we will. Well, we're
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gonna We're gonna take a break and come right back.
We're together with John Logatto and Made in America. We're
not gonna go anywhere. You're not gonna go anywhere, but
we're gonna let the affiliates make a few bucks.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
We'll be right back. Okay, welcome back to mead in America.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
We're here with John Legato, special agent from the FBI.
I retired and a former marine, not a former He
is a marine. You never you never not a marine.
I know that that was a mistake. You are always
a marine. Uh. You may be retired, but you're a marine.
And we're delighted to have John here. We're talking about
law and order in Chicago. And and I want to
play one more thing. I know the sound bite five
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C and I want to talk about this is something
that the lefties and the Democrats do all the time.
And and John, you probably heard this where they say,
well why doesn't Trump focus on the Republican the red cities?
After all they have you know, a bigger crime than
we do. And well there's a there's a play on
words in that. So let's listen to five C and
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then we're gonna have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Lastly, after about thirty days or so, we believe that
they will pick up all of those resources that they
send here to Chicago and send them to the next
city in a blue state, ignoring cities in red states
with higher violent crime rates than we have.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So so that's that's that's their entree into starting to
play with stats, and they don't give you the full information.
This is what you get from you know, folks like well,
I don't know what they're called anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know MSNBC or.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well you know the alphabets, who uh, you know channels
and so for John you've seen that ANUE where they
start saying, well, how come, how come in a red
state like Texas, Well, we have a really bad city
and crime in Austin, you know what I mean, so
or Houston or you know those are red cities because
it's a red state.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You see the hypocrisy of it.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Don't you. Oh, it's a liar, liar paints on fire,
which that trying to create statistics well, part of the
issue is mayors in red states and governors in red
states they take care of the crime. Now, there might
be occasions, but if you go to large cities. I'll
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give you a couple of examples. You get out of Minnesota,
Minneapolis and Minnesota and Minneapolis is a tremendously liberal city.
You get out of Dallas in Texas. Those cities do
have problems. They might be in a red state, but
it's the liberal cities. These major cities within the red
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states are the ones creating the crime. And that's the
issue as you get into again, any outside the New
York's a good example. I mean, you go up to
Buffalo versus New York City. You know, they're not liberal,
so they're good on crime. They take crime seriously, and
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so you can lie. I mean if you use subtleties.
I'll give you an example of what liberals do. If
you're watching a football segment and they're trying to highlight
one person, they'll show all his good plays, right, every catch, everything.
And that's what the liberals do when they give an example,
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they cite all the good stuff, but it's not representative
of the whole. And that's my point. And I want
to get that. Yeah, but yeah, part of the thing
A few people know. I want to get back to
the FBI because I think it's very important what happened
to them. You have, the FBI used to be independent,
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even though they were under the Justice Department. The Justice Department,
the Department of Justice is a political organization and that
goes from John Mitchell, Wonder Nixon to Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
their high every political people dedicated to whatever powers and
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party because they're appointed by the president. But the FBI
had always been, you know, the isolated fact only agency.
We had a reputation because we were independent. So what
happened about thirteen fourteen years ago under Mueller is he
merged the FBI with this political organization called the Justice Department.
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And I'll give it a concrete example. If I wanted
to open the case on the Clinton Foundation as a
continuing criminal enterprise, I would open the case. I would
investigate the case, and at the conclusion, I would take
my findings over to the Justice Department and saying here's
the evidence. After Mueller and Cooney, if I wanted to
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investigate the Clinton Foundation, I would have to get permission
from the Attorney General to open it. So you had
agents in New York City trying to open up a
case on the Clinton Foundation, and Loretta Lynch refused them.
She would not allow them to investigate. So think about this.
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So you had a agency we just want the facts,
the facts only. We never made a recommendation once we
concluded an investigation until James Coley when he got up
on national media before they were going to indict Hillary
or not and said, we don't have the evidence. That
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never happened before in the history of the FBI and
should never happen because we do not give opinions. We
give the facts and the evidence and then let the
juries handle it. So the FBI has become politicized to
the nth degree, and that's part of the problem on
crime right now.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that you really let
not you, I mean the the Pomyes, FBI really let
the American people down because they counted on the FBI
to always be there for them. I was stunned when
he laid out the case against Hillary Clinton, which he
actually broke many many rules and laws and committed crimes.
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And then he said, well, but you know, nobody, no
prosecutor would take the case.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I mean, what.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
He broke the law. Let me tell you something. He
admitted he broke the law. What he did is he
stated he was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. He
goes and meets with Trump into White House. He leaves
the meeting and writes up a report on an FP
three to zero two, which is our investigative report. He
writes up the report and then when the craft hits
(26:52):
the fan, he turns this official investigative document over to
his law school buddy and ask him to leak at
to the New York Times. Had I leaked an investigative
report to the media, I would be in jail. Nothing
happened to Colley. He committed a crime. He should be
in jail for what he did.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But nothing will happen, probably not, probably not.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So it does bother me that we have this hypocrisy
running around in the law and order in this country.
When I want to go back to Prisco for a second,
then I want to move on with another topic in
the time left. You know some of the cities that
he talks about, you mentioned them, like Dallas, Dallas and
Houston and Austin. They're in a red state, but they
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have high crime rates run by Democrats. Memphis, Tennessee, red state,
Memphis run by Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Saint Louis.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Listen, I was told don't you ever, because I spent
seven years, seven months in that part of the world
working on a major project. And I was told, don't
you ever go to East Saint Louis. You will get killed.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That's what they told me. Don't go there.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You know, it's a Democratic controlled city. Birmingham, Alabama, red state.
You know, Democrat city, Jackson, Mississippi, red state, Democratic city, Shreveport, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Detroit obviously had has high.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Crime and U And then one of the things that's
interesting said, well, you know it has a red red mayor.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He was a Democrat that he changed to an independent.
So and he was the only one that really had
anything different than what was there years ago, still Democrat.
So the point is that they play with the numbers,
they screw around with it, and and uh, you know,
Pritzker is very upset that he has to, uh, you know,
call the president. Why don't we just listen to the president.
(28:44):
So let's do this, you know on six A.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Uh, let's just listen to.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Six to A for a second. But President Trump.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Ago is certainly going to be high. I would love
to have him call. I would love the governor of Illinois.
I'd be honored to take his call. Well, all he
has to do is say, sir, we need help. It's
out of control, and everyone knows it is. He's not
kidding anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's right, She's not kidding anyone. So again he has
to do what he has to do for the right thing. Hey, John,
I'm going to switch gears. You got about a minute.
Can you just tell us what's going on with your
podcast or the status of your books, because I know
they're exciting and I think people want to know about it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Well, the podcast is if you go to the John
Bagatto Show, what it is is what we're talking about today.
About five years ago, they started this thing called First
Amendment auditing, which sounds good, but what has happened is
that every city and every jurisdiction is so liberal that
you have individuals called First Amendment auditors with cameras. They
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go out and they have harassed police while they're doing
their job, while they're making the arrests, while they're doing
traffic stops. They scream at them, they curse at them,
they obstruct them, and the problem is they get like
some of them get arrested. It's according to the Supreme
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Court and the Constitution. People can curse at police officers,
call them any vile name they want. But they go
above and beyond that. They interfere and obstruct and they
get a slap on the hand. And they're doing this
because the more confrontational they are, the more clicks and
views on YouTube, and the more money. They go out
(30:34):
of their way pushing cops, throwing stuff at them. And
I got into this and it just seconded me. So
I started a podcast. And it's addictive in a bad
way because you're watching this and you're saying, the cops
can't do anything. And the reason they can't is they
have they're in liberal cities. They get no support from
(30:56):
the chain of command, no support from the courts. And
so it's the John Legato Show. My book, The Comi
Gang will lay out everything we've been talking about and
what happened to the FBI. The once beautiful FBI is
now in patterns.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, that's and we're gonna have to hold it there, John,
because we're up against a really hard break. John Legato,
delighted to have you here today. We'll get you back
on another week.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Law and Order. We're gonna be right back.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We've Made in America and we're gonna be talking about
apprenticeship programs. Okay, welcome back to Made in America, and
we're gonna shift gears right now. Let's get back to
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job and job creation and the American dream and things
like that, which is our bread and butter. And I'm
delighted to welcome Greg Sizemore. Greg is the vice president
of Health, Safety, Environment and Workforce Development for Associated Builders
and Contractors, and we're gonna be talking about He has
a peace out right now that basically says Trump must
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embrace innovative training pathways to meet workforce goals. And I
think that's really important. And one of the areas that
I'm kind of intrigued in and we're gonna be talking
about with Greg is apprenticeship programs. You know, Phil knows
that our producer, Phil knows that we've covered apprenticeships for Yeah,
I don't know Phil a long long time, many years.
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I mean, I am a great advocate of apprenticeship programs.
And I think they do wonderful things for folks, for individuals,
the kids coming up and looking for a career and
a path to the American dream. And at the same
time they do a great thing for the economy because
we need these jobs. You know, we've got to have
these jobs. So Greg, welcome to mede in America. I'm
(32:49):
delighted you're.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Here today, glad to be here with you. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Absolutely, So let's let's go back to this first second.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You know the opinion piece that you wrote, Trump must
embrace innovative training. I think you know you when I
read your your article, which is remarkably good. I'm delighted
to have read it. We have a shortage, according to
your piece.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Of four hundred and thirty nine thousand workers. That's a
lot of people, Greg.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
That is a lot of people, maybe a lot of
jobs and a lot of projects. So there's a lot
going on in the construction industry.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well, yes there is.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And I have to tell you that, you know, my
family was in the construction industry down here in South Florida.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
In fact, my first job was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Working for the family, and you know, I dug ditches
and I learned it's you know, stripping and filling. I mean,
this is in Florida's you got to take the muck
away and then you can start building it up, compaction
and so forth.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But it's a it's a huge industry. My god.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
This industry, the construction industry is I think, you know,
is the backbone of the United States. I mean, if
we don't have a good, solid construction industry and everything
that goes along with that, whether it's going to be
the products that you use, the services that you have,
the people that you need. I mean, look at all
the nuances that go into building a high rise building.
We're going in building a single family home or apartments. Greg,
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How did this happen? And what do we do about it?
I mean, this is a serious conversation.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Yeah, well, I want to jump on what you said.
I think it's really important you understand that. I believe
you cannot do anything in America today without somebody in
construction doing something. First. You can't drive, you can't stay
in a hotel, you can't you can't use your favorite
tool or product without a facility being built. So again,
when you talk about it being the backbone of America,
(34:38):
this truly is the single biggest economic impact that you
can think of in America today. We use terms like infrastructure,
or we use terms like partnerships and those kinds of things,
but the reality is the construction build in America today
is strong. And we have to look up from our
steering wheels as we're driving through downtown everywhere, and we
(35:00):
see the tower cranes, we see the high rises going up.
In rural areas, you begin to see the facilities of factories,
the transfer stations, all these things going in. So we
take it for granted, and in our industry, I often
say that we're the best kept secret in America. And
when you think about what you're talking when we're talking
(35:21):
about apprenticeship, that truly is the greatest learning model in
the world. In other words, it's time honored. It's a
very traditional approach to workforce development. It's a proven model
that flies directly in the face of everybody's got to
go to college. And that's the biggest thing that I'd
(35:42):
like to say. It really is an earn and learn model.
It allows you to earn a living wage and learn
a lifelong skill that is transferable with one company, two companies,
or whomever. You want to work for in the industry
out there, and here we are in this space and place.
Understand that, you know, we've got a group of individuals
(36:03):
in high schools and even as deep as middle school
that we're trying to raise awareness about really the beauty
of construction, not the stereotypical, well, go to work for
construction because you didn't get to go to college, if
you will. But again, in this industry, it's been a problem,
believe it or not, since I got in it in
(36:25):
the early eighties, we've always had a work for shortage
because I think there was a narrative out there that says, well,
your success in life is based upon the college that
you went to or the degree that you had. When
I would tell you on a Thursday night, when your
toilet doesn't flush, the smartest person in the world is
a plumber or your electricity electricity. Your electrician is now
(36:50):
your friend, your lawyer, your doctor, your friends aren't going
to be able to help you. And so we've got
to elevate that as a societal norm. It's a shifting
of a paradigm. I truly believe that we're in a
place in space right now where we're building more. We're
coming back online with a lot more things under this administration.
What the go ahead?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, let me let me jump in there for a second.
I think I think you're you're one hundred percent correct.
I mean, I'm a product of the generation that was
told and this, by the way, I think is a post.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
World War two scenario.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I really believe that that when my father came back
from four years overseas and he started his life again,
and and you know, millions of other people did the
same thing. They they wanted They thought they wanted something
better than they had growing up. Because my father came
here from Eastern Europe with his brothers and sisters and
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family with nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I mean, they had nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
They were so broke, they were so poor that they
only had, you know, up. That's the only place they
could go is to rise up. So they the thought
was that if you didn't go to college, your life
was going to be over. That does not work. That
whole concept is flawed and is broken. The truth of
the matter is the trade jobs that are out there
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are incredibly lucrative. They're growing because the country is growing,
and so it is a direct proportion to what we
build and what we have requires people to do it,
and it's a very interesting thing to do.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Now. You're right, you earn while you learn.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's like according to you know, the government, you know,
and average starting salaries about eighty k, employment retentions about
ninety percent. You know, over a lifetime you can make
three hundred thousand more earning advantage and.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You're actually in the game.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
And one of the things that's remarkable now and it's changed,
is that real time learning is worth more than a
master's degree in what you're doing because it really brings
you home to where you need to be to get
the job done.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Don't you agree with that.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
One hundred percent? You know, when you start talking about
coming out of college was sixty to seventy thousand dollars
worth of loaded debt, not even a job promise when
you walk out the back.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Door that my son was double that just telling you that, yeah,
you know, but it really is.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
It's the greatest model on the planet. Now again, what
we're seeing is a more flexible approach to what we'd
call the traditional government registered apprenticeship program, which is you know,
very time based. Many of the contractors today, particularly specialty contractors,
they're working in very niche markets to where they're now
(39:32):
putting in multiple types of apprenticeship. And that's what I
like about what the President's doing. He's looking at all
different types of apprenticeship and that was our commission in
that op ed.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, you know, it's interesting that, you know, when President
Trump was working in New York, the family and the
family business, that he really became, you know, the working
class billionaire because he really he worked with the tradesman.
He work with those who were working for his father
and we're doing the you know, the handwork every day,
whether they're doing brickwork, ce metwork, wiring, you know, everything
(40:09):
that goes into building a high rise, because that's what
you have in New York obviously. But he I think
he got his basic understanding and by the way, his
ability to communicate with the average Jane and Joe in
this country, because those are the people he.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Hung out with.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That didn't mean he hung out with him at night
when he went out and did his partying, and you know,
we all know about that. He was pretty successful at
that but and had a lot of fun, I guess,
but in terms of the business world, he really learned
how to communicate well with those people. So you know,
the ability to have an apprenticeship. I mean that goes
(40:46):
back hundreds of years. I mean Europeans have been doing
this forever. We caught onto this maybe ten years ago,
fifteen years ago, all of a sudden, the concept of
you know, you need my God, an electrician makes a fortune,
plumber makes a fortune. The people who are doing the
basic work and construction and doing for example, underground wiring
(41:07):
and when we built my family built cities and hospitals
and things.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like that, we had underground.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Were one of the first underground utilities in Florida, in
South Florida. Because my family recognized, well, this is ridiculously
the hurricane.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Comes, it gets knocked down. So they went ahead and
did that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So I can't even tell you how many people just
did that one project working on it. When you're building
the roads in the city, the amount of work that's
got to go in. You're not building a driveway, for
God's sakes, You're building a city of roads.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's a lot of asphalt, it's a lot of concrete,
it's a lot of curbing. You know, it's a lot
of landscaping. I mean think about it. Extrapolate from the
given and you are employing a lot of people, so
you know, great, your economic impact could be three to one,
four to one, five to one.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
In an immediate economy.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's another thing that's great about an apprenticeship program because
it's immediate.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Final word with you, Well, the thing is this, we
know that these men and women that are doing this
work out there do not get the credit for the
precision and the skills and the ability. We take it
for granted every day around. It's the thing hanging over
your head, the tower. This is radio signals through. These
are real talented people with a ton of skills and
(42:26):
ability a really robust platform to get the skills in
these people hands, people's hands. That's what we need to do.
We've got to focus on all versions of apprenticeship, on
all of the above approach to meet the needs of
building back America. That's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
If people out there have an interest in reaching you,
we've got about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
How did they reach you? Greg?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Where can they send a note to ask questions?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
ABC dot org that's ABC dot org. You can actually
go to our website and put in your zip code
and find one of our sixty seven chapters across America
that would be more than happy to talk to anyone
that's interested in finding out more about their trades. Again,
that's ABC dot org. Your zip code and you can
find a chapter near you.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Well, thank you very very much.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'm delighted that you are on the show. I think
what you're doing is very important. I have a special
heart for the ruction industry and building I have to
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And we wish you well.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Hey, thanks for being here. I'm made in America with
us today. A great conversation. We're going to come back
next week with even more conversation. I can promise you
a lot's gonna happen between now and then.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
You have a great week. God bless you all. Talk
to you later.
Promoting American industry. This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, welcome to Made in America. I'm delighted you're here today.
I just got to tell you every week, you know,
I keep thinking there's going to be a bad news day,
because I've been doing this for a long long time,
and they just get better in terms of news days.
I'm not saying the news is good, because I don't
think the news is good very often. I think there's
(00:37):
a lot of depth destruction in maim and lack of
law and order and civilization, and you know, a lot
of stuff is going to hell as far as I'm
concerned with a lot of people, and I see a
lot of lying and innuendo running around the country, and
people believe it and they don't know what to do
with it, and so it bothers me. Getting back to
my point, it's never a bad news day, and I've
(01:00):
got to tell you that.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
When I'm I.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Don't want to get back to law and order because
I've been very concerned about this for the last well
the last few years, but certainly in the last few
few weeks, it seems like here's my point, it seems
like lack of law and order, lack of respect, lack
of doing the right thing, lack of correct support. Political
(01:24):
structure is more important. You can qualify a murder. Look
at the guy that shot the CEO of.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
United Insurance.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, believe in it, I mean, and he qualified.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
I mean, just look at his arrogance.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And people just qualify doing what they're doing because it's,
you know, it's the right thing to do, because in
the long run, you know, for the village, as the
Marxist would say, for the village that you know, it's
the means justified the extremes. And that just seems to
be the way we are right now. I mean when
I find politicians of communities, whether they're mayors or their governors,
(02:04):
you know, their senators, you know their congressmen, women, and
they're justifying sort of like Maxine Waters did when Trump
came in. Trump one point oh, and she said, you
get in their face, you tell them they're not welcome here. Well,
that's a pretty violent statement coming from an elected official
(02:24):
in Congress and in the Senate.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It just it's a.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Very violent statement, and I think it put us down
a very, very very bad road. I mean, even Obama's
comment when he said, you know, elections have consequences, and
they do have consequences, but the way he said it,
the way it came about, was so destructive. I thought
(02:49):
for this nation that it gave my pointming back to
the point, it gave the illusion that it's okay to
go after somebody. Now you could go after somebody verbally,
you can talk, you can you know that that's your right.
I mean, Nigel Faraj has been fighting that for the
last couple of weeks in the UK, where they arrested
(03:10):
people for coming out with a comedian, a comedian of
all people coming out and saying things that you know,
a lot of some folks not a lot of folks,
but some folks didn't like because it was unfair. There
was certain immigrant status that's over there. Although he had
every right to say what he wanted to say to
this guy. They were even arresting eleven year olds. It
was just just insane. But the point you get back
(03:33):
to hear and the point is that I find governors
who are making it policy to thwart the efforts of
the federal government by doing the right thing. That is
the government doing the right thing, and the governor not
doing the right thing, and becoming.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Normalized with crime.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
In other words, you know, we only had you know,
five making up a number five hundred murders last year
and this year we only have four hundred.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Wow, we're doing really well.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Well.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I don't think you're doing well because four hundred people
got killed. That's not I mean, that's if it's all reported.
That's not even including those who got chop, mainstab, choked,
pushed off roofs, put in front of you know, a subway, cars, trains,
and so forth. I mean, we just live in a
very very strange place. So having said that, we're gonna
(04:23):
have a very interesting show today. You know, first of all,
we're gonna have John Legatto back on the show. We're, uh,
we're gonna have a conversation with John, a former special
agent with the FBI, marine, author of four major books,
a podcaster, you know, the a filmmaker. I mean, John
(04:44):
is you know, he checks off all the boxes, but
more importantly, he checks off the important one, and that's
law and order, and that's believing in this country, embracing
your country, loving what we do, and giving everybody a
fair shake. I mean, that's that's the bottom line, that's
what we're all about. So John's gonna be here and
we're gonna talk about, well, law and order. We're gonna
talk about Chicago and maybe a little bit about Baltimore,
(05:06):
but Chicago, because I'm very concerned that, you know, I'm
looking at the city and I'm trying to understand what's
going on. There've been an enormous amount of shootings, you know,
fifty eight shootings in the last two weeks, fifty eight
shootings Labor Day weekend, fifty eight shootings and eight people.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Ultimately, eight people died.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Seven died originally in the first wave, and then someone
passed away after that, so that's eight people. But I'm
told that the crimes coming down, and we you know,
we don't need to have the troops. You know, we're
doing the right thing. Just give us the money, give
us the programmes. Well, that kind of ticks me off.
That bothers me a lot. So we're gonna have a
conversation about law and order, and we're gonna talk to
(05:45):
John about it, and then we're gonna find out some
of the things that John's doing.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
We want to get more involved with.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
His podcast, but also his book He has a book out,
The Comy Gang, which I think is absolutely important that
you get a hold of at Amazon and read about
because James Comby's got.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
A lot to talk about.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Man, there's a lot going on about James Comey and
John gets into it and what was going on at
the FBI. So we're going to have that really you know, exciting,
colorful conversation, and then we're going to be talking to
another friend of the show who who has been talking
about apprenticeship program, Greg Sizemore. And Greg is involved with
(06:21):
the Associated Builders and Contractors Association for Workforce and Apprenticeships
and you know, apprenticeships, talking about that. I've been covering
that about fifteen years. Apprenticeships are really important.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
You know.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
And the governor and the mayor of Mayor of Baltimore
and the Governor of Maryland have indicated, well, what we
really need to get rid of some of this crime
that we have here is a more stable economy and
we need better housing. We need a affordable housing. You know,
we have people have to have jobs. And then they
talk about the lack of the American dream, and we're
(06:57):
going to talk about that, and I guess really hip
on that stuff, and we're gonna get involved in the
fact that well, you know, we're to apprenticeships fit in
other than the fact which we truly ironic that you know,
President Trump have one of the most successful shows on television,
the apprenticeship, and uh, it's you know, it's a term.
(07:18):
It's a word that's been around for decades and years
and years and years and years and eons, and in Europe,
apprenticeships are really important, particularly those in the food industry.
Becoming a sioux chef or becoming a master chef. You know,
you went through a tortuous period of an apprenticeship to
learn that trade, and that trade ultimately gave you the
(07:42):
opportunity to embrace a better lifestyle for yourself. But you
sure sack paid some dues along the way to earn
that right to become a chef, or in the in
other areas, to earn that right in the construction program,
to earn that right in banking and finance and all
of sorts.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
There are other things that are out there.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Electrical, you know, all the major trades have apprenticeship programs
and they're they're just off the wall, they're incredible. So
we're gonna have a good conversation about that, and hopefully
that will lead us back to a summation when we
talk about you know what, you know, let's let's talk
about this crime thing and maybe some of all this
fits together.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
And uh and and we're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So we're gonna be back in just a minute. We're
gonna be talking to John. We're gonna be talking about
law and order and uh and maybe we'll get a
catch up on what's going on with the guys in
the US Navy. So don't go anywhere. We're right here,
and you're right here with me and Made in America.
We're gonna be right back with a lot more show. Okay,
(08:51):
welcome back to Media in America. This is Rick Droffman,
I'm your host in on the show today. Right now
it is John Legato at well originally from South Philly.
We can talk about that in a second, because that's
that had really prepare him for life. I can tell
you that I come from the Lower East Side of
New York, and I can tell you I learned how
to handle some pretty tough guys. I did it with humor,
by the way, and and and a pair of head
(09:13):
sneakers but just to get that straight. So John is here,
and John, of course, uh is a former special agent
with the FBI. He was with Alpha Company in Vietnam.
Uh he served in a tet adventure offensive which was
scary as hell, a really rough time for US servicemen
(09:33):
and uh and then came home and he had two
medal of honors and purple hearts. I mean, the guy's
just incredible. He's he's a walking, you know, American hero.
But and and and and so doing working with the FBI.
You know, John went undercover, he went after crime. So
this is a guy who really understands, you know, the
reality of life.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
John Legato, welcome the maide in America. So glad you're here.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Yeah, thank you. But let me correct you. I don't
have to medal of honors. My company commander and Put
two commander received two Medal of Honors at Wayte City.
But I have a bronze star and three purple hearts,
which is, you know, nothing compared to the medal of honor.
But thank you, No.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It isn't how you made that mistake. I apologize for
that absolutely. But on the other hand, three purple hearts
ain't bad. That's outrageous. John, That's incredible.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So, John, I got to ask you this, and then
we'll play a couple of bykes and we'll listen to
what some of the folks that are saying out there.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
You know, I'm looking at the landscape right now, and John,
I am trying to understand why the Democratic elected officials
in states and cities are absolutely fighting a law and
order protocol that this president is trying to establish for
the United States.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
What's your take on that? I mean, what is the
story with that?
Speaker 2 (10:49):
How could you come out against your own people and
support you know, well, we don't want to have more troops,
and even though we know more troops they are going
to help, we don't want more cops because we know
that's going to help. I just don't get it, John,
It seems occamoronic to me.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
What do you think, Well, you hit it on the head,
you know, the subtle use of language in that they
say crimes coming down, But what are the statistics you said,
you know, four hundred murders versus five hundred, there's still
rampant crime. So you got the Illinois governor calling, you know,
the intervention of Trump an abuse of power. But what
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dat don't understand. The jurisdiction is a thing called the
supremacy Cause of the Constitution. I won't get too deep
in the weeds here, but basically it says that in
all matters of equal jurisdiction, the federal government shall maintain
the power and the jurisdiction. So they're fighting this in
the courts, but they will lose eventually once they get
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out of liberal judges. The Supreme Court has to rule
in favor of the supremacy cause, which gives Trump the
jurisdiction and power to put troops in wherever he wants
to put troops to crime.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, that's exactly correct, you know what. Let's hey, Phil,
let's go ahead and look at five A. I want
to play five A where he's talking about with Pritsker's
talking about begging for federal funds and kind of normalizing
the absurdity.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let's go When did we become a country where it's
okay for the US president to insist on national television
that a state should call him to beg for anything,
especially something we don't want. Have we truly lost all
sense of sanity in this nation that we treat this
as normal.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I mean, I find that statement John to be totally outrageous,
and I'm going to come up with an analogy to
that in a second.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
But what is this guy talking about.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He's begging for money, and I guess Trump doesn't want
to give him the money certain funds because he's not
using them correct.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean, we don't.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
We have the right as a federal government to decide. Listen,
those funds are not being used correctly, or their people
are in trouble, they're hurting, they're being threatened, and it
is my obligation as a president to do the right
thing based upon what you just said before.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
Well, you know, the executive branch has a lot of power,
and what's going on now is that the liberals are
trying to take away his power like he would be
you know, the president of his own company, say Trump.
They're saying that he can't hire and fire his employees,
and you know when he lets people go, they fight it, right,
(13:30):
But again, he has every right to deploy troops to
hire and fire who he wants. So what this was
the governor of Illinois. I have no idea what he
was saying other than how can any governor or mayor
of the city not want help and fighting crimes when
the statistics are through the ripe, especially Chicago. You mentioned,
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Chicago for the last six seven years is basically the
murder capital of the world. The number of shootings and
actual murders they have on a weekly basis, you know,
as far exceeds New York and other big cities. So
I have no idea what he's saying.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Well, yeah, I mean it really gets down to, well,
it just gets down to the politicalization of this whole thing,
because none of it makes sense. But you know what's interesting,
he says, when when does a governor have to ask
the federal government, you know, to for money or to help. Well,
let me, let me give you an analogy on that.
And this is a fact. When we have a hurricane
in the state of Florida and FEMA needs to come
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in or the National Guard and so whatever they need
to do. Do you want do you realize that unless
a letter is sent to the President of the United
States by the governor, those resources are not released to
that state. Regardless of the situation of the state, they're
not released, which is why they declare a state of emergency.
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But you know, when they know they're going to get
hit by a hurricane. They do that in advance, so
everything is stage. But the the truth of the matter is,
and I know this because it happened once, that the
order did not go out, It did not get to
Washington and the and the resources that we needed down here.
It was one of those years that we had like
five hurricanes and you know, every two and a half
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week to get another hurricane, and it just didn't happen
for a very very brief period of time. But the
reality of it is that you know, you had to.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
You know, had to ask for it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
That's that triggers the whole thing. So so I find
that to be amazing. So but what bothers me? John
getting back to the politicalization of Pritzker, And I don't
understand Pritzker at all except someone told me he's on
a diet.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
I mean, Trump called him a pig the other day
in a press conference. I just find that to be amazing.
But he doesn't hold back, you know, I guess that's
from the Apprentice, But he.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Doesn't hold back.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
But listen to this, listen to b for a second,
and I bet that gives us a little more insight
into the psychology of Governor Pritzker.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Five V.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Let's be clear, the terror and cruelty is the point,
not the safety of anyone living here.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Will I kind of tell you something about Chris does
that John?
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah? You know? Is he says that they don't want
the funds or that the federal government must give them
automatically money and any amount that they request. I think
they're saying both. And if you look at the analogy
of this New York mayor, they're about to elect a socialist.
What's going to happen is they're going to eventually ask
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the federal government for a bailout. After he's you know,
gives billions of dollars, you know, to for social issues.
Who is going to bail them out? What they liberal
governments always do that they create a deficit based on
their ideology, and then when they get in trouble they
ask the federal government. So the federal government has no
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don't I don't want to use the word duty, but
say obligation to bail liberal cities out number one, and
then they'll complain that you must do it in this amount.
Speaker 6 (17:04):
We need a billion dollars.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
We're a billion dollars down because we screwed up and
you must give us the money. But I think Trump
has made in roads on that and some of these
DEI policies with some of these colleges and cities saying
if you don't do this, you won't get the money.
And they back off. Many of them had backed off,
which I thought they wouldn't, but they do because they
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understand the power of the book Let's go.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
They understand the power of the first you want to
stick with all literation.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
But yeah, that's exactly correct.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But you know what's interesting to me is that the
mayor of Washington, d C. He was so you know,
anti Trump. I mean, she really fought against him in
all her minions.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
But she changed your tune.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
And I think she changed your tune for the exact
reason John, that you're talking about. That she needs law
and order, she needs the money from the FED. That
above all is very.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Very important for her people.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
If she doesn't do that, doesn't get it under control,
she ain't getting reelected because I mean people, they are
pretty much terrorized. What's going on? So, I mean, like
money changes heads, doesn't it.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
Well, the other thing that's going on here is that
law enforcement is under siege. You have a police that
are fleeing in droves from liberal cities, and the reason
is these police officers no longer can be proactive enforcing
the law. They're just reactive. And what that means is
(18:38):
is that they enforce the law, then they can get
in trouble, they can get sued, they can lose their
qualified immunity. So why is your pension? And that's going
on like you wouldn't believe. And part of that is
what happened to the FBI. My FBI what I retire
(18:59):
twenty three years years ago. I remember people saying to me,
boy I never met an FBI agent before. We had
such wonderful reputation and after Mueller and Knee, they destroyed
that reputation and it's gonna take years and years to
get back.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Well, I agree with that. It's it's an absolute chamee.
Ever since Kevin Costner left the FBI. Oh wait a minute,
that was the movie.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
I'm sorry I got confused on that, but yeah, the
FBI was the pre eminent law force to me in
the world. When you called in the FBI, the real
guys came in to do something, you know, correct, and
make sure the right thing was done in justice was served.
But it doesn't seem to be that way. We're gonna
take a break, Yeah, I think we will. Well, we're
(19:46):
gonna We're gonna take a break and come right back.
We're together with John Logatto and Made in America. We're
not gonna go anywhere. You're not gonna go anywhere, but
we're gonna let the affiliates make a few bucks.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
We'll be right back. Okay, welcome back to mead in America.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
We're here with John Legato, special agent from the FBI.
I retired and a former marine, not a former He
is a marine. You never you never not a marine.
I know that that was a mistake. You are always
a marine. Uh. You may be retired, but you're a marine.
And we're delighted to have John here. We're talking about
law and order in Chicago. And and I want to
play one more thing. I know the sound bite five
(20:38):
C and I want to talk about this is something
that the lefties and the Democrats do all the time.
And and John, you probably heard this where they say,
well why doesn't Trump focus on the Republican the red cities?
After all they have you know, a bigger crime than
we do. And well there's a there's a play on
words in that. So let's listen to five C and
(20:59):
then we're gonna have a conversation.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Lastly, after about thirty days or so, we believe that
they will pick up all of those resources that they
send here to Chicago and send them to the next
city in a blue state, ignoring cities in red states
with higher violent crime rates than we have.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
So so that's that's that's their entree into starting to
play with stats, and they don't give you the full information.
This is what you get from you know, folks like well,
I don't know what they're called anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
You know MSNBC or.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Well you know the alphabets, who uh, you know channels
and so for John you've seen that ANUE where they
start saying, well, how come, how come in a red
state like Texas, Well, we have a really bad city
and crime in Austin, you know what I mean, so
or Houston or you know those are red cities because
it's a red state.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You see the hypocrisy of it.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
Don't you. Oh, it's a liar, liar paints on fire,
which that trying to create statistics well, part of the
issue is mayors in red states and governors in red
states they take care of the crime. Now, there might
be occasions, but if you go to large cities. I'll
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give you a couple of examples. You get out of Minnesota,
Minneapolis and Minnesota and Minneapolis is a tremendously liberal city.
You get out of Dallas in Texas. Those cities do
have problems. They might be in a red state, but
it's the liberal cities. These major cities within the red
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states are the ones creating the crime. And that's the
issue as you get into again, any outside the New
York's a good example. I mean, you go up to
Buffalo versus New York City. You know, they're not liberal,
so they're good on crime. They take crime seriously, and
(23:00):
so you can lie. I mean if you use subtleties.
I'll give you an example of what liberals do. If
you're watching a football segment and they're trying to highlight
one person, they'll show all his good plays, right, every catch, everything.
And that's what the liberals do when they give an example,
(23:20):
they cite all the good stuff, but it's not representative
of the whole. And that's my point. And I want
to get that. Yeah, but yeah, part of the thing
A few people know. I want to get back to
the FBI because I think it's very important what happened
to them. You have, the FBI used to be independent,
(23:43):
even though they were under the Justice Department. The Justice Department,
the Department of Justice is a political organization and that
goes from John Mitchell, Wonder Nixon to Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
their high every political people dedicated to whatever powers and
(24:04):
party because they're appointed by the president. But the FBI
had always been, you know, the isolated fact only agency.
We had a reputation because we were independent. So what
happened about thirteen fourteen years ago under Mueller is he
merged the FBI with this political organization called the Justice Department.
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And I'll give it a concrete example. If I wanted
to open the case on the Clinton Foundation as a
continuing criminal enterprise, I would open the case. I would
investigate the case, and at the conclusion, I would take
my findings over to the Justice Department and saying here's
the evidence. After Mueller and Cooney, if I wanted to
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investigate the Clinton Foundation, I would have to get permission
from the Attorney General to open it. So you had
agents in New York City trying to open up a
case on the Clinton Foundation, and Loretta Lynch refused them.
She would not allow them to investigate. So think about this.
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So you had a agency we just want the facts,
the facts only. We never made a recommendation once we
concluded an investigation until James Coley when he got up
on national media before they were going to indict Hillary
or not and said, we don't have the evidence. That
(25:38):
never happened before in the history of the FBI and
should never happen because we do not give opinions. We
give the facts and the evidence and then let the
juries handle it. So the FBI has become politicized to
the nth degree, and that's part of the problem on
crime right now.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, I agree, and I think that you really let
not you, I mean the the Pomyes, FBI really let
the American people down because they counted on the FBI
to always be there for them. I was stunned when
he laid out the case against Hillary Clinton, which he
actually broke many many rules and laws and committed crimes.
(26:21):
And then he said, well, but you know, nobody, no
prosecutor would take the case.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I mean, what.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
He broke the law. Let me tell you something. He
admitted he broke the law. What he did is he
stated he was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice. He
goes and meets with Trump into White House. He leaves
the meeting and writes up a report on an FP
three to zero two, which is our investigative report. He
writes up the report and then when the craft hits
(26:52):
the fan, he turns this official investigative document over to
his law school buddy and ask him to leak at
to the New York Times. Had I leaked an investigative
report to the media, I would be in jail. Nothing
happened to Colley. He committed a crime. He should be
in jail for what he did.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But nothing will happen, probably not, probably not.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So it does bother me that we have this hypocrisy
running around in the law and order in this country.
When I want to go back to Prisco for a second,
then I want to move on with another topic in
the time left. You know some of the cities that
he talks about, you mentioned them, like Dallas, Dallas and
Houston and Austin. They're in a red state, but they
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have high crime rates run by Democrats. Memphis, Tennessee, red state,
Memphis run by Democrats.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Saint Louis.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Listen, I was told don't you ever, because I spent
seven years, seven months in that part of the world
working on a major project. And I was told, don't
you ever go to East Saint Louis. You will get killed.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
That's what they told me. Don't go there.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
You know, it's a Democratic controlled city. Birmingham, Alabama, red state.
You know, Democrat city, Jackson, Mississippi, red state, Democratic city, Shreveport, Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Detroit obviously had has high.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Crime and U And then one of the things that's
interesting said, well, you know it has a red red mayor.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Well, no, he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
He was a Democrat that he changed to an independent.
So and he was the only one that really had
anything different than what was there years ago, still Democrat.
So the point is that they play with the numbers,
they screw around with it, and and uh, you know,
Pritzker is very upset that he has to, uh, you know,
call the president. Why don't we just listen to the president.
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So let's do this, you know on six A.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Uh, let's just listen to.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Six to A for a second. But President Trump.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Ago is certainly going to be high. I would love
to have him call. I would love the governor of Illinois.
I'd be honored to take his call. Well, all he
has to do is say, sir, we need help. It's
out of control, and everyone knows it is. He's not
kidding anyone.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
That's right, She's not kidding anyone. So again he has
to do what he has to do for the right thing. Hey, John,
I'm going to switch gears. You got about a minute.
Can you just tell us what's going on with your
podcast or the status of your books, because I know
they're exciting and I think people want to know about it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
Well, the podcast is if you go to the John
Bagatto Show, what it is is what we're talking about today.
About five years ago, they started this thing called First
Amendment auditing, which sounds good, but what has happened is
that every city and every jurisdiction is so liberal that
you have individuals called First Amendment auditors with cameras. They
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go out and they have harassed police while they're doing
their job, while they're making the arrests, while they're doing
traffic stops. They scream at them, they curse at them,
they obstruct them, and the problem is they get like
some of them get arrested. It's according to the Supreme
(30:12):
Court and the Constitution. People can curse at police officers,
call them any vile name they want. But they go
above and beyond that. They interfere and obstruct and they
get a slap on the hand. And they're doing this
because the more confrontational they are, the more clicks and
views on YouTube, and the more money. They go out
(30:34):
of their way pushing cops, throwing stuff at them. And
I got into this and it just seconded me. So
I started a podcast. And it's addictive in a bad
way because you're watching this and you're saying, the cops
can't do anything. And the reason they can't is they
have they're in liberal cities. They get no support from
(30:56):
the chain of command, no support from the courts. And
so it's the John Legato Show. My book, The Comi
Gang will lay out everything we've been talking about and
what happened to the FBI. The once beautiful FBI is
now in patterns.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Well, that's and we're gonna have to hold it there, John,
because we're up against a really hard break. John Legato,
delighted to have you here today. We'll get you back
on another week.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Law and Order. We're gonna be right back.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
We've Made in America and we're gonna be talking about
apprenticeship programs. Okay, welcome back to Made in America, and
we're gonna shift gears right now. Let's get back to
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job and job creation and the American dream and things
like that, which is our bread and butter. And I'm
delighted to welcome Greg Sizemore. Greg is the vice president
of Health, Safety, Environment and Workforce Development for Associated Builders
and Contractors, and we're gonna be talking about He has
a peace out right now that basically says Trump must
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embrace innovative training pathways to meet workforce goals. And I
think that's really important. And one of the areas that
I'm kind of intrigued in and we're gonna be talking
about with Greg is apprenticeship programs. You know, Phil knows
that our producer, Phil knows that we've covered apprenticeships for Yeah,
I don't know Phil a long long time, many years.
(32:28):
I mean, I am a great advocate of apprenticeship programs.
And I think they do wonderful things for folks, for individuals,
the kids coming up and looking for a career and
a path to the American dream. And at the same
time they do a great thing for the economy because
we need these jobs. You know, we've got to have
these jobs. So Greg, welcome to mede in America. I'm
(32:49):
delighted you're.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
Here today, glad to be here with you. Thanks for
having me on.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Absolutely, So let's let's go back to this first second.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
You know the opinion piece that you wrote, Trump must
embrace innovative training. I think you know you when I
read your your article, which is remarkably good. I'm delighted
to have read it. We have a shortage, according to
your piece.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
Of four hundred and thirty nine thousand workers. That's a
lot of people, Greg.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
That is a lot of people, maybe a lot of
jobs and a lot of projects. So there's a lot
going on in the construction industry.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Well, yes there is.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
And I have to tell you that, you know, my
family was in the construction industry down here in South Florida.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
In fact, my first job was.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Working for the family, and you know, I dug ditches
and I learned it's you know, stripping and filling. I mean,
this is in Florida's you got to take the muck
away and then you can start building it up, compaction
and so forth.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
But it's a it's a huge industry. My god.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
This industry, the construction industry is I think, you know,
is the backbone of the United States. I mean, if
we don't have a good, solid construction industry and everything
that goes along with that, whether it's going to be
the products that you use, the services that you have,
the people that you need. I mean, look at all
the nuances that go into building a high rise building.
We're going in building a single family home or apartments. Greg,
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How did this happen? And what do we do about it?
I mean, this is a serious conversation.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
Yeah, well, I want to jump on what you said.
I think it's really important you understand that. I believe
you cannot do anything in America today without somebody in
construction doing something. First. You can't drive, you can't stay
in a hotel, you can't you can't use your favorite
tool or product without a facility being built. So again,
when you talk about it being the backbone of America,
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this truly is the single biggest economic impact that you
can think of in America today. We use terms like infrastructure,
or we use terms like partnerships and those kinds of things,
but the reality is the construction build in America today
is strong. And we have to look up from our
steering wheels as we're driving through downtown everywhere, and we
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see the tower cranes, we see the high rises going up.
In rural areas, you begin to see the facilities of factories,
the transfer stations, all these things going in. So we
take it for granted, and in our industry, I often
say that we're the best kept secret in America. And
when you think about what you're talking when we're talking
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about apprenticeship, that truly is the greatest learning model in
the world. In other words, it's time honored. It's a
very traditional approach to workforce development. It's a proven model
that flies directly in the face of everybody's got to
go to college. And that's the biggest thing that I'd
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like to say. It really is an earn and learn model.
It allows you to earn a living wage and learn
a lifelong skill that is transferable with one company, two companies,
or whomever. You want to work for in the industry
out there, and here we are in this space and place.
Understand that, you know, we've got a group of individuals
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in high schools and even as deep as middle school
that we're trying to raise awareness about really the beauty
of construction, not the stereotypical, well, go to work for
construction because you didn't get to go to college, if
you will. But again, in this industry, it's been a problem,
believe it or not, since I got in it in
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the early eighties, we've always had a work for shortage
because I think there was a narrative out there that says, well,
your success in life is based upon the college that
you went to or the degree that you had. When
I would tell you on a Thursday night, when your
toilet doesn't flush, the smartest person in the world is
a plumber or your electricity electricity. Your electrician is now
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your friend, your lawyer, your doctor, your friends aren't going
to be able to help you. And so we've got
to elevate that as a societal norm. It's a shifting
of a paradigm. I truly believe that we're in a
place in space right now where we're building more. We're
coming back online with a lot more things under this administration.
What the go ahead?
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, let me let me jump in there for a second.
I think I think you're you're one hundred percent correct.
I mean, I'm a product of the generation that was
told and this, by the way, I think is a post.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
World War two scenario.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
I really believe that that when my father came back
from four years overseas and he started his life again,
and and you know, millions of other people did the
same thing. They they wanted They thought they wanted something
better than they had growing up. Because my father came
here from Eastern Europe with his brothers and sisters and
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family with nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I mean, they had nothing.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
They were so broke, they were so poor that they
only had, you know, up. That's the only place they
could go is to rise up. So they the thought
was that if you didn't go to college, your life
was going to be over. That does not work. That
whole concept is flawed and is broken. The truth of
the matter is the trade jobs that are out there
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are incredibly lucrative. They're growing because the country is growing,
and so it is a direct proportion to what we
build and what we have requires people to do it,
and it's a very interesting thing to do.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Now. You're right, you earn while you learn.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's like according to you know, the government, you know,
and average starting salaries about eighty k, employment retentions about
ninety percent. You know, over a lifetime you can make
three hundred thousand more earning advantage and.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
You're actually in the game.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
And one of the things that's remarkable now and it's changed,
is that real time learning is worth more than a
master's degree in what you're doing because it really brings
you home to where you need to be to get
the job done.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Don't you agree with that.
Speaker 6 (38:56):
One hundred percent? You know, when you start talking about
coming out of college was sixty to seventy thousand dollars
worth of loaded debt, not even a job promise when
you walk out the back.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Door that my son was double that just telling you that, yeah,
you know, but it really is.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
It's the greatest model on the planet. Now again, what
we're seeing is a more flexible approach to what we'd
call the traditional government registered apprenticeship program, which is you know,
very time based. Many of the contractors today, particularly specialty contractors,
they're working in very niche markets to where they're now
(39:32):
putting in multiple types of apprenticeship. And that's what I
like about what the President's doing. He's looking at all
different types of apprenticeship and that was our commission in
that op ed.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, you know, it's interesting that, you know, when President
Trump was working in New York, the family and the
family business, that he really became, you know, the working
class billionaire because he really he worked with the tradesman.
He work with those who were working for his father
and we're doing the you know, the handwork every day,
whether they're doing brickwork, ce metwork, wiring, you know, everything
(40:09):
that goes into building a high rise, because that's what
you have in New York obviously. But he I think
he got his basic understanding and by the way, his
ability to communicate with the average Jane and Joe in
this country, because those are the people he.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Hung out with.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
That didn't mean he hung out with him at night
when he went out and did his partying, and you know,
we all know about that. He was pretty successful at
that but and had a lot of fun, I guess,
but in terms of the business world, he really learned
how to communicate well with those people. So you know,
the ability to have an apprenticeship. I mean that goes
(40:46):
back hundreds of years. I mean Europeans have been doing
this forever. We caught onto this maybe ten years ago,
fifteen years ago, all of a sudden, the concept of
you know, you need my God, an electrician makes a fortune,
plumber makes a fortune. The people who are doing the
basic work and construction and doing for example, underground wiring
(41:07):
and when we built my family built cities and hospitals
and things.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Like that, we had underground.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Were one of the first underground utilities in Florida, in
South Florida. Because my family recognized, well, this is ridiculously
the hurricane.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Comes, it gets knocked down. So they went ahead and
did that.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
So I can't even tell you how many people just
did that one project working on it. When you're building
the roads in the city, the amount of work that's
got to go in. You're not building a driveway, for
God's sakes, You're building a city of roads.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
That's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
That's a lot of asphalt, it's a lot of concrete,
it's a lot of curbing. You know, it's a lot
of landscaping. I mean think about it. Extrapolate from the
given and you are employing a lot of people, so
you know, great, your economic impact could be three to one,
four to one, five to one.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
In an immediate economy.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
That's another thing that's great about an apprenticeship program because
it's immediate.
Speaker 6 (42:04):
Final word with you, Well, the thing is this, we
know that these men and women that are doing this
work out there do not get the credit for the
precision and the skills and the ability. We take it
for granted every day around. It's the thing hanging over
your head, the tower. This is radio signals through. These
are real talented people with a ton of skills and
(42:26):
ability a really robust platform to get the skills in
these people hands, people's hands. That's what we need to do.
We've got to focus on all versions of apprenticeship, on
all of the above approach to meet the needs of
building back America. That's what we're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
Well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
If people out there have an interest in reaching you,
we've got about fifteen seconds.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
How did they reach you? Greg?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Where can they send a note to ask questions?
Speaker 6 (42:53):
ABC dot org that's ABC dot org. You can actually
go to our website and put in your zip code
and find one of our sixty seven chapters across America
that would be more than happy to talk to anyone
that's interested in finding out more about their trades. Again,
that's ABC dot org. Your zip code and you can
find a chapter near you.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
Well, thank you very very much.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Greg.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I'm delighted that you are on the show. I think
what you're doing is very important. I have a special
heart for the ruction industry and building I have to
tell you that.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And we wish you well.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Hey, thanks for being here. I'm made in America with
us today. A great conversation. We're going to come back
next week with even more conversation. I can promise you
a lot's gonna happen between now and then.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
You have a great week. God bless you all. Talk
to you later.
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