August 23, 2025 • 43 mins
The conversation on 'Made in America' delves into critical issues surrounding immigration, border control, energy independence, and the role of the military in maintaining law and order. The host and guests discuss the pragmatic approach of the current administration in addressing these challenges, emphasizing the importance of immigration for economic growth and cultural diversity. They also highlight the need for a solid plan to tackle workforce shortages and the significance of honoring military service and valor in the face of bureaucratic corruption.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And a great welcome to you. We're delighted to have
you here today on Made in America. And it seems
more important every week that goes by, that Made in
America becomes relevant. And the more I see, the more
I'm happy, the more I'm happy, the more we're progressing
and doing good things, and the more I'm stunned by
those on the left who seem to be thwarting or
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trying to thwart whatever we're trying to do on the right.
And that doesn't make much sense to me. And we're
gonna talk about that right now. Here's what concerns me.
And I'm really baffled by this that here we are
involved with the president that actually is pragmatic and he
looks at so he looks at problems as a businessman,
and he said, all right, we've got to solve the problem.
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We can't talk about the problem. We can't vote on
the problem. That way. We're gonna have to figure the
problem out. And the sooner we do it, the better
off we are. The better off we are, the better
America becomes, the better America becomes, actually the better of
the world is so we got to solve these problems.
So we looked at the problem on the border, and
he realized, okay, it's not very complicated. We got it.
What's the word close the border? So he closes the border,
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and we all know that the numbers of thousands of
you know, interventions that we were getting with the legal
aliens on a daily basis has gone down to basically
that word's called well, almost nothing, which is remarkable because
we're not even a year into the presidency and we've
already undone what the Biden administration has done and letting
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all these people come in and putting our border people
at risk, putting the people who live along the border
at risk, and ultimately making America unsafe for the rest
of us because we become a border country. It's not
just like those in the Southwest. If you drive along
Route ten, you see the border. If you're driving, you know,
from west to east, you look to the right and
there's Mexico. Not very complicated, but it's not just a
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border problem. For those living down there in Texas and
New Mexico and you know, in the Nevada and things
like that, this is pervasive and this has gone everywhere,
and that's why when President Trump came in, it became well,
you know, President Trump number two two point zero, he
realized this is a top priority. Why is that, Well,
because having all these folks coming into this country not
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knowing who they are, particularly in the world that we
live in, with lack of security, terrorism and all sorts
of bad, nasty people out there, we really want to
know who the hell's coming in, who's ringing our doorbell,
and who's actually thwarting the doorbell. And unfortunately we can't
seem to figure out who they are because the previous
administration let thousands of people in without knowing who they are,
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and that's not a good thing. So all right, so immigration,
that was a major major problem in terms of supply
chain and so forth. We had to get that under control,
which this administration actually did, working with ports, working with
other countries, developing situations and systems that would be better
for us to get products here as necessary as needed,
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and we can actually buy products. Now, you notice that
you don't have the weight that you had just two
years ago when you wanted to buy a car, Well,
you couldn't buy a car because they didn't have enough
chips because they didn't have the products, they didn't have
the solutions. They didn't have the ability to put the
products together. Whether they were made here, whether they were
made in Mexico, they were made in China, didn't make
any difference. The parts didn't exist. We had to solve that,
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which we did because we have a pragmatic president. We
have a president looks at the solution and says, I
got to bring this one forward. I can't talk about it,
I can't get out there and virtue signal it. I
got to really make it better because I gave my
word to the American people, if you elect me, I'm
going to do this, which is exactly what this president does. Okay,
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so we got that part under control, but then we
have other things that we're trying to get under the
control and energy, and he looked at the energy situation
and actually, let's just turn it on. Turn the energy,
spick it back onto the United States. And we are now,
you know, a lot more self sufficient than we were
just a year ago, year and a half ago, because
we actually use our own energy and we're not relying
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upon you know, the bad guys, which doesn't make much
sense to me. Why would you want to let the
bad guys control the energy of this country, Why would
you give them money? Because when we give them money,
they do bad things. Oh that's right. We have an
example of that that was Iran had no money. Iran
was allowed to have money. We gave them billions of dollars.
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We allowed them to sell oil. They sell oil, they
get more billions of dollars. The next thing you know,
they're by proxy, they're having wars against Israel in the
Mid East, and screwed that whole thing up. Well, we
have a president who's pragmatic and saw the solution to that,
and he went ahead and resolved that and move forward
in an intelligent fashion, which is good for all of us,
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which in turn lowered the cost of energy for those
living in the United States, which is a good thing.
So we got all what sorts of things going on
right now. We also have and this is a big
deal and we're going to talk about it today. Crime
crime spiked him in the United States. We have all
these illegal people here. We don't know who they are.
We have people who are committing crimes in the United
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States because there are legals, some of which we'll talk
about this on the show later are driving trucks, eighteen wheelers.
They don't speak English, they have a problem, they can't
answer questions. But they're out here driving an eighteen wheeler
and they hit a family, kill a whole family. That
was just last week. We've all seen the information about that.
Not a good thing, bad thing, and something has to
be done about it. And of course we have a
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pragmatic president who actually says, hey, you know what, I
think I have a solution to that. We're gonna lock
down and do something about the criminal elements that's here
in this country who happen to be illegal. And I
have the absolute right everything I can do to get
these people out of the country because I want to
make America safe again. So we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna come right back with Made in America. We're
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gonna have Misty Chalie here, the CEO of Capital Solutions.
We're gonna be talking about immigrant and if we're lucky,
we'll get something fun to eat. We'll be right back.
Don't go anywhere if this is Made in America. Okay,
welcome back to Maid in America. I'm Rich Rothman. You're
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a host of delighted to have you here today. We
have so many important things to talk about. On the
phone with us right now is Missy Chalie Missy executive
director of Critical Labor Coalition, and we're going to be
talking about immigration and its effect on actually, you know,
employment in the United States and why we kind of
we need a stable understanding of immigration. I think we
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all agree with that. I think that's a very good
thing to have, but we cannot in any way deny
that immigration is crucial to the success of the United States,
and if you look at the legacy of the United States,
it's crucial to our survival because we're all immigrants. So Missy,
welcome to MAID in America.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, I'm really excited you here because I you know,
I really enjoy talking about employment and entrepreneurism and hiring people.
I mean, I've been an entrepreneur for a long, long time,
for many years, and we talk about it on the
show an awful lot. So I'm anxious to hear what's
going on. So you just had you had a piece
that you did in the Hill and it says immigration
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with lashes hurting American businesses during a labor crisis. Well,
I want to talk about that. I want to understand
the predicate for that a little bit, so the folks
out there understand where you're coming from, and let's have it.
Let's have a chat about that.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I think that's great, and it's it's a really
important issue right now.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So in what way let's let's just make it clear
so that the business people out there understand in what
way is the situation right now with the government and
what it's doing in terms of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
You know, what seems to be amiss and what do
we need to correct?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Sure, good question. So we're kind of facing a perfect
storm right now because we have continuing and ongoing workforce
shortage coupled with the new immigration based policies that are
taking some you know, workers away from those jobs that
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are already struggling to get filled. So specifically, we're talking
about the revocation of parole status for Cuban Patians, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans,
and then we have the revocation of temporary protected status
for similar communities, so that really hits the entry level jobs,
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those jobs that we have had trouble filling for decades,
and so it kind of exacerbates what's currently happening with
workforce shortage positions in the US.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Okay, so here we have a situation in I want
to make it clear we are I guess you're talking
about the the ying and yang that we see in
terms of picking up immigrants. Is that where is that
where we I just want to get specific on that. Sore.
Are you concerned? And I think you are that we
are in a way one day we're doing this, then
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we say we're not going to do that, and then
we're going to keep the farmer safe and so forth,
which we realize all of a sudden, there was no
romaine in the stores anymore. It just it just disappeared.
I mean those who like caesar salad were like really upset.
They have all the stressing and nothing to eat it with.
I mean, they're going nuts. That's not a good thing.
So I mean the New Yorkers would go crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I mean they just, oh my god, I do like
a good caesar salad.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, well, listen, you know the New Yorkers would go
to Sally Anthony's in Gramercy Park, place that I lived
in when I was a kid. And if you couldn't
get Caesar salad there, since it was run by the mob,
you could get shot. I'm just saying could be. I
don't know, could happen. It could be really bad, But
it sounds like in all since already that you know,
we seem to go and you know, blanket pulling people
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in maybe, and we did see that. We saw a
lot of strange things happening that we were upset about,
and I think the government tried to do something about it,
and then we did something about it, and then we
go back to it. And so in the best situations,
how is that How is that really exasperating you know,
an already strange job market.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, well, it's interesting because our coalition is made up
of trade associations primarily in businesses, but we represent restaurant tours, hoteliers, retailers,
grocery stores, human resource executives, amusement parks. I mean, the
span is very wide. So it's interesting when you hear
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that there'll be one or another industry exempted, and you know,
it creates an increase in certainty in these times where
I think those industries and the workers for those industries
are you know, concerned about their employment. So I think
it's that kind of uncertainty that we're dealing with. But
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I think we're optimistic. We know President Trump is, you know,
runs businesses. He understands the need for these workers.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, he's had hotels. I mean, misty, he would get it.
I would think he has hotels. He knew that he
was working with immigrants in the hotels. If you even
listen to our Secretary of State, his mother worked in
the hotels. She's exactly what we're talking about, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I do think he gets it. Yeah, No, I
do think he gets it. And that's why we're seeing
you like his his his statement saying that he understands
that we need ag workers, we need restaurant workers, and
it's just putting policy to those words that we'd really need.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, you know what's interesting and coming from South Florida
and being in business down here and involved in international business,
which I have been for nineteen eighty nine, that's all
my pro bona work has been in that. And then
the magazines that I own, like Latin Trade, Latin CEO,
South Florida, CEO Global Miami. I mean, they're all keyed
into exactly what we're talking about. And then living down here.
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I mean, we if you can't understand immigration living in Miami,
then I just want you to know that you need
to go to Lakeside Memorial Park and plant yourself because
you've missed the whole point you know, of what's going
on in South Florida. So but let's go back to
this situation. Immigration does a lot more than just jobs.
You know, I think you'd agree with that. It really
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produces culture. It really encourages, you know, not just the diversity,
but you start thinking differently when you have different cultures.
And one of the things that Miami has become over
the years is we become an R and D center.
We are an innovative center. That's what we are. You're
an innovative center because we have all these people like
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you're talking about in Nicaragua's Guatemalans. We have Brazilians, we
have Venezuelans, we have Chileans. I mean, we have more
Brazilians than any other country in the world other than Brazil.
We have so many Nicaraguans. They have their own bankers association.
They do the nicarag Bankers Association. I mean, come on,
it's not even a huge country. We have in Nicaraguan
Bankers Association. But what's interesting is that that gave rise
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all those people coming here, gave rise to international finance
and banking and things like that. So it would seem
to me we we embrace immigration.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I think you know, that's what our country
is all about. And I understand that. You know, there
was and is a problem with our borders right now,
and our coalition is not opposed to, you know, strengthening
the borders. It's just you know that we need to
consider the impact on the US employers. And like I said,
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I think the President understands that. But you're correct. I mean,
I think in so many ways, immigration brings so many
great aspects of different cultures into the country that you know,
without that, you know, we wouldn't be the country we are.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, you know, it's centrizing in your piece, which, by
the way, I enjoyed reading you quote Steve Moore. Steven
Moore is a good friend. He's been on Made in America.
We've been doing this about seventeen years and Steven's come
on a lot with all his buddies. And just for
those out there understand, he's a former senior economic advisor
President Trump. I mean he and Art Laugher and Cudlow
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put together the economic policy that he presented in the
New York Economic Club back in the day when he
was first running for president. But he puts it well,
Trump's goal to grow by three percent over the next decade,
and I'm quoting, by the way, will be difficult without
an ample influx of immigrants to compensate for an aging
American born population. So it looks like we don't somehow
get this under control by virtue of an aging population,
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we're going to be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Exactly. I mean, you're coupling an aging population with other
factors about people's thoughts about working and the flexibility and
you know, people want to be Uber drivers and want
to work from home, and the members we represent you
need to be physically in a store, in a restaurant,
in a you know, a retail store, in a hotel.
(15:31):
And so yeah, it's with the aging population and the
changing demographics, we really are going to be in trouble
for decades to come if we don't fix this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. No, I think we have to listen. I think
we all agree that you really should sign the guestbook
when you come and you really can't be an illegal
that's breaking the law. Let me tell you something. Yeah,
you know, I spent twenty nine years in Latin America
with all these other companies, and I got to tell you,
if you go from Guatemala into Mexico illegally, you're gonna
get arrested. I mean, they don't tolerate that. If you're
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a female, I didn't want to think about it. You're
in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, so yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean, I think we all agree, no question. Everyone
raised their hand, two hands up goldposts. We agree that
we can't have a legal immigration. We got to get
it under control and for lots of reasons, and we
got to know who's here. For God's sakes, it's a
dangerous world. But on the other hand, give me you're tired,
you're poor, you're humble, you're sick. We embrace a Malazarus
that's on the Statue of Liberty to her poem that
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she wrote. We embrace that because we need that. You know,
where would we beef We didn't have little literally in
New York when I was a kid growing up. Where
would we if we have Chinatown? Where would I be
if I didn't cut high school and go to Ferraras
and get Italian stuff when I was a kid, where
would we be if we didn't have any of that.
It would be really a.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Sad place to live, would be.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It would be completely agree there. And you know, you know,
I'm for bringing manufacturing back to back to the US,
but you know that that involves training and a lot
of different factors to bring those workers here. And we
need the workers now, We need those entry level workers now.
So you know, I just encourage the administration to you know,
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set forth policies that keeps those legal workers here.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I agree with you one hundred percent. You know,
you know I talked to my friend alfreda Ortiz up
in New York.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh yeah, Hill, Oh, I love.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I love, I love. He's been on the show many
times and he's great and he espouses what you're talking about. Listen.
We want him encourage, we want him embrace. We want
them here. Not only that, we need to learn from
them because they bring skill sets that we don't have.
I mean, the whole apprenticeship program. If you think about it, Misty,
you know that has changed dramatically over the last let's
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say five years, six years, seven years that we've realized.
My generation said, oh my god, if you go to college,
you're in big trouble. You know, you're not going to
get anywhere. That's nonsense. That just doesn't that doesn't cut
it anymore. But apprenticeships for trade skills, Oh my god,
these people are making a fortune. It's just don't.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Really are It's crazy. I wonder why I went to
law school because I'm thinking I should have gone to
trade school. I really should have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But come on, try and get your air conditioning fixed.
If you can't fix it yourself, Oh my god, it's
so expended, exactly. Yeah, So listen, So mister, I'm going
to give you thirty seconds, give me your final comment
on this. I think what you're saying is right. I
think we really got to get this under control. I
think we have to get the illegality under control. But
if you had your druthers, what would you say to
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everybody right now?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I mean, I would just say, you know, we protecting
the borders is great. We certainly have to get every
the immigration program under control, but we need to encourage
those that are filling the jobs that US workers won't
fill or can't fill. We need to keep them here
in order to keep our economy growing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I can't. I think that's perfect. We're going to end
it right there, Misty. It's delighted to have you here,
Executive Director, Critical Labor Coalition. If they go, how do
they find you? Misty?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you go to you can email me at Misty
c at Clcoalition dot net.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And final question, so how many people come up to
you and say play Misty for me?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh my goodness, you wouldn't even em It's it's in
the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's a Clint eastwo thing. I couldn't let you go
by without saying that. Anyway. Thank you so much for
being on maide in America. Come back soon. We've got
to have you back real soon because this isn't going
away right away. It's going to be ongoing. We need
you here. Thank you so much, Misty. Have a great weekend,
God bless. We're going to be right back with John Legato.
I don't want you to go anywhere, but maybe can
get a glass of water, go hydrate yourself. We'll be
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right back with more of Maid in America.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Promoting American industry.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
This is made in America with rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Big welcome back to Made in America. I'm the why
did you here today? We've had just a remarkable conversation
with Misty Challie talking about immigration, and I think I
want to get into that with John a little bit too,
talking about legal versus illegal immigration. There's a lot out
there this week in terms of the illegalities, and we
have a law and order problem in this country. A
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lot of this is tied into the illegals that are
here that will result to a degree, a good part
of the degree as a result of the previous administration.
You know, we discussed and we know that we had
thousands of thousands of encounters every day with the legal
immigrants breaking into the country with the customed border patrol.
And now that's basically down, as we pointed out, and
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John knows as well, to almost nothing compared to what
it was. But let me just set this up a
little bit. John Legato is our next guest. He is
a good friend. John is, oh my god, an extraordinarily
accomplished individual, aside from being, you know, a member of
the FBI, and he was a special agent with the FBI,
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so we know he's a tough guy. And don't mess
with John. But he also was involved. He was a
you know, Philadelphia probation officer. He was a deputy Commissioner
of the State of Pennsylvania from mental retardation. More importantly,
he was a lance corporal in the Marine, something that
we're going to talk about in the Code of Honor.
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And as I said, now, he's been an adjunct professor
for counter terrorism at Campbell University Safety Director. I mean
he this man is he's worked with m I five.
We're gonna we're gonna learn so much about John. He's
gonna we're gonna have to wind up doing a series
about John Legato. John, Welcome to MAIDE in America.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, hey, thanks, that was great. Who did you introduce there?
I don't know, was that me?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what about John? That's what we're doing
right about John. So John, let me let me before
we get into this, you know, the the honor Code
in the military, because I really want to have a conversation,
a serious conversation about that. We know on MAIDE in America,
we we covet, we respect, we embrace, we support, we
do what we can for our first you know, those
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who are on the front line of protecting us. The Marines.
I have to tell you, the Marines are barnun, the
toughest guys that were out there. I think my relatives
my were Marines twice decorated. Just absolutely remarkable situation and
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I'm very, very delighted to have you on the show
to talk about that. But let me let me talk
about law and order for a second, John, I mean, here,
we have all these people coming into the country right now,
and we don't know who they are, and we're seeing
right now that this president is trying very very hard
to get it under control. You would, I mean, you
have to say, you're a former agent with the FBI,
and we don't have law and order.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I don't know what we got, right, No, we got chaos.
We got anarchy, that's what we got. And a lot
of these people that are you know, diehards let them
all in. They would stop short of letting them into
their home, opening their doors at night, and just allowing
people in that they don't know. So there's a hypocritical
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factor in.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
This too, So it seems to me, and this is
what's been you know, I wanted to talk about a
little bit that the problem's been there now for the
last four and a half years practically under the Biden
administration and the progressors that were running this country. You know,
we had we had chaos. I mean, we had hundreds
of thousands of encounters at the border. We had people,
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you know, thousands living under the roads, you know, sort
of like what they did in Miami during the Mariolito
incursion in the early nineteen eighties, when we had you know,
like one hundred and eighty thousand Marriolitos came here in
ninety days and it just broke the socioeconomics of Miami.
And the beginning of the movie Scarface was actually accurate
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because I drove past that every day. They were living
under I ninety five, and I got to tell you something.
The crime that occurred in South Florida, which I think
is exemplary of what was happening in this country right now,
was totally out of control. It was a time period
in Miami that the bad guys ruled and the good
guys were getting killed. And it was not a good
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scene for us. I mean, it was the cover of
Time magazine where it was said, Paradise lost, and that's
not a good thing. We cannot have this country become
a paradise lost because if we lose this country, we
lose the world. So it's very very important. So John,
I mean, I would think that having a pragmatic president
like Trump right now as a former law and order guy,
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committed to law and order. You know what's your take
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Well, pragmatic is the issue that really insulted our intelligence.
When the Democrats said we're going to stop you at
the border, We're going to give you a ticket or
whatever and release you, but you'll come back in three months.
It really challenged our intellect to say that, and they
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didn't believe it. They couldn't believe it because I don't
have the statistics, but I would imagine ninety plus percent
of the people never came back for a second hearing
because they were in So, yeah, you have a practical problem.
But Trump is doing the right thing again by not
allowing everybody. And what I agree with them that people
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don't agree for the main part, or a lot of
people don't agree, is that if you're here illegally, first
of all, they say it's a civil violation, it's not.
It's a low fellow. You're breaking the law. So why
should we allow you to stay in here. And then
a big percentage of the people who didn't have criminal
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backgrounds had hearings. In other words, they missed their hearings.
We gave them the initial chance to make it right,
and they just didn't come back. And now they're portrayed
as like seventy percent of innocent people who are being
deported and it's not the truth.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, you know, John, you know you're saying they didn't
come back for their trial. The whole point was they
weren't going to come back for the trial. The whole point.
If you understand the Olenski's you know, rules for radical
one of the clauses is in cloward and pivot and
Columbia University exemplified that when they said, overrun the system,
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break the system. If you can break the system, we win.
You know what I mean, it's a very Marxist attitude,
and I think that's exactly what they wanted to do,
was to break the system. They did. I mean, Biden's
administration was a total loser. Hey, listen, I wanted you
to listen to a sound bite. Let's listen to number
C number two C Southern Border encounter. Let's listen to that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I wanted to switch and talk to you for a
second about the southern border because I looked up the
statistics here and this graph really kind of tells the tale.
This is Southwest border encounters year over year. You see
all the lines of twenty twenty two, twenty three, and
twenty four way up there in the hundreds of thousands,
and then you see this green line at the bottom,
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which is fiscal year twenty twenty five, and you see
when President Trump took office that number goes from about
one hundred thousand per month down to almost zero.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is that amazing, John, That just amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah. What's amazing about it is the wall and the enforcement.
I mean, I don't know what the estimate is. I
hear twelve million, twenty million are here illegally. I put
that worth of twenty million, so do I. But you
know what's amazing is the amount of time he did it.
I mean, he not only turned it around, and I
didn't never thought that it would turn around so quickly.
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It was amazing. But that goes to show you, number one,
that he has the power. He has the House in
the Senate right now, and my biggest worry is once
he loses, you know, the House or the Senate, things
will come to a grinding halt.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well that's a very very very distinct possibility. But what's
interesting to me is that it belies the lie that
the Democrats put out saying, well, we've got to pass
the bill. We got to pass a bill. We can't
get the border under control unless we get more money.
We need a lot more money for the border, and
we need to pass the bill. So it's got to
go to the House, it's got to go to the Senate.
So all they did, as we were talking about earlier
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on the show, that they were tap dancing the whole
thing and never solved it. They did not have a
clue and what they wanted to do except to keep
doing what they were doing to break the system, to
maintain in their power. So I find it just astounding
that you know that they allowed that, and I'm stunned
and I'm excited that that Trump got in. Let me
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let's talk for a second about Washington.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Let me bring up another part here, because analogius to
the education system. If you look, the Democrats were saying,
let's keep pouring money in our educational system and we
can turn it around and that never happened because we
weren't teaching. You know, the additional money went for DEI.
You know, we weren't using the money for reading, writing,
and arithmetic. So the Democrats have a history of saying
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money will solve the problems, but they're not practical when
they say that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I agree with you. I'll give you a good
example of that, the War on Poverty that goes back
to nineteen sixty five. And Johnson, do you know how
much money we spent on the War on poverty in
that program today? Twenty two point three trillion dollars. Twenty
two point three trillion dollars. That's serious money. You know.
That's not billions, kid, that's tea with a trillion. And
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if in fact, money would be the solution to everything,
and I think you're right, John they say throw money
at it. They always throw money at it. We need money,
We've got to give the money. We got to help.
That's not the answer, is it, Because it didn't assure
as hell, didn't stop poverty. No.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
No, money doesn't solve not without a solid plan behind it.
And that's the Democrats. They don't understand planning. I was
in two institutions that. You know, planning was a big
issue the Marine Corps and the FBI. You planned operations,
you planned what you wanted to achieve. You've planned how
you wanted to achieve it, and then people have the
authority to do it. And there's a link missing with
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politicians these days. They have no idea. They get into
office and they're influenced heavily by lobbyists, and then they
I call it belt Way delusion. They come from Kansas
or wherever, and they get inside that belt one and
they stay there long enough they become part of the problem.
I really believe this.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well they do. And they also become wealthy, which is remarkable. Yeah,
you know, I mean Obama comes in, he's this guy
from Chicago and never had a lot of money, although
he was certainly supported by all the bad guys in Chicago.
And the next thing you know, he's worth hundreds of
millions of dollars. Nancy Pelosi beats Goldman Sacks. I mean,
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her stats look better than Goldman Sacks. How does that happen? Well,
for that matter, Hunter Biden did too, because he got
hired by trying Goldman Sacks came in number two. I mean,
that's a bit perverse as well. So what we were
discussing earlier, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How about aoc She was a bartender singing drinks for
eighteen bucks an hour. Now she's worth ten million. They
could never do net worth investigations on any politician. The
issue of being a net worth is where did you
get this money? And if they dig deep, but there'll
be all kind of campaign violations and we wouldn't have
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anybody in Congress.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, it's just amazing. Well, listen, John, hang in there.
We're gonna take a break and make some money for
the affiliates out there. When we come back, we're gonna
continue with John Legato, and we're gonna be talking about
the military. We're gonna be talking about the Code of Honor,
and we're gonna be talking about how you get a
Medal of Honor and the reality of that. Don't go anywhere.
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman. Be right back. Okay,
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welcome back to Maid in America. I'm a trough and
your host alloted to have you here on the phone
with us right now. Is John Legato definitely a law
and order guy. I mean he belongs on television. He
was a special agent with the FBI for many years
and an expert in counter terrorism work with other countries
when undercover, going after the MOBB. He's unbelievable and he's
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very talented, and we have to turn him into a
series on television. But I'm delighted to have you here, John.
I want to get back to something we were talking about,
and that's the long order thing. You know. This week
we saw the President put the National Guard in Washington, DC,
and I'm sure you spend a lot of time in
that area, being in part of the FBI for all
those years. And yet I find interesting all the liberal
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media and all the Democrats are just it's the end
of the world. It's the end of it. They always
say this, it's the end of democracy. It's the end
of the world. Cats and dogs living together on the
street is like Ghostbusters come back, you know, real quick,
take thirty seconds on that. I'd like your opinion.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, it's funny because behind the scenes, some of the
liberals are saying they applaud that because they live in Washington,
there's a practical issue there. They have seen the crime,
they have seen neighbors, they've been bugged, So they keep
to the party line. But they know that's a good thing.
How could it not be a good thing. And you
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make the assumption that the National Guard or whatever deputized
homeland security officers are doing something wrong by their mere presence.
Their mere presence is dissuading crime, because the number one
other than planned crime is opportunity. So you have all
these people on the street, muggers, killers, whatever, and they
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have opportunity. But if you take away the opportunity, they
won't be committing the crime. And if they do commit
the crime, they're going to get arrested. Now, so I think,
and I've heard, you know through the grape mind that
many liberals love them being there, but they'll never admit it.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, of course they won't. I agree with that. They
can't do that. One thing the Liberals do and the
Democrats do. They stick together, good bad, are indifferent. Now,
we'll give them credit for that. They just you know,
they're a formidable force, so to speak. But let me
let me let me go into another conversation for a second, John,
One of the things we wanted to talk about to
is the military. And it seems like relatively soon, you know,
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You've mentioned that you're in the middle of exposing a
major corruption within the Department of Navy, and it had
to relate to Medal of Honor. And you know, one
of the things that we want to do is respect
and created a very very strong legacy for our military heroes,
and I think that's really important. Do you want to
give me a quick precis and an intro and then
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I want to play a couple of soundbites? I go
to it.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, the backstory was I was in Way City. I
was in the first Marine Division in nineteen sixty eight
during TET and about eighty of us went into Way City.
We were the initial reaction force in the Way. During TET.
We had no officers. They were all dead or elsewhere.
So a gunnery sergeant inn E seven took command of
a company and his exo by default, was an E
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five sergeant. Both of those men won the Medal of
Honor in the first few days at Way, which is
very very significant. So it took fifty years. The sergeant
was killed in action and the gunny wrote him up
for the Medal of Honor, but since we had no officers,
nobody ever wrote the gunny up so it took me
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fifty years, but I eventually wrote the Gunny up for
the Medal of Honor and he received it in twenty eighteen.
So Gunny Canley said, well, this is not fair. None
of the junior enlisted men got any valor awards. So
he wrote six of us up for valid awards. It
went in and they all got denied or downgraded, which
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is not unusual. I mean, you don't always get your
nominated award. But then what happened Foya. We got Foyer
material back and what we found out and this is.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Freedom of Information Act for those who don't know, Freedom
of information.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. And what we found out is
that the president of the Navy Valor Board, who's been
there seventeen years, a guy by the name of James
Nearly unduly influenced a combat val board. He'm duly influence.
And you say, well, how do you know that we
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submitted so much evidence? As you said, I'm a retired
FBI agent, so I know what evidence is. I know
what direct evidence is, cooperative, circumstantial. We submitted legal Greece
and the Navy came back and admitted it. Now, think
about this, the Navy admitted that the president of their
valor board unduly influenced valor board. So what happens, nothing,
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that's too bad. We're sorry, but they won't meet with you.
We've never had a conversation with them. So that's where
we're at now. We are going to expose them in
the newspaper. We're going to eventually sue them. We are
going to make them. Look at here's the other thing there,
which is more significant. It's not just the six veterans.
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We have found numerous other cases were the same. Nearly
James nearly undue influence their valid boards. I'll give you
just one quick example. There was a lance corporal who
jumped on the grenade in Vietnam, and ten marines jumped
on grenades. All got the Medal of honor except this
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one guy, and so we researched it. I talked to
his daughter and we found out the reason he did
not get the medal of honor even though he jumped
on the grenade. And the reason we found out was
is that he lived. Now, think about that, the act
of valor was jumping on the grenade. He had no
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idea if he was going to live or die. But
that's the kind of stuff that's going on with valor
award boards. And this one guy has been there seventeen years.
The president. We found other what we think are unethical
behavior with valor boards, and we're trying to expose it.
And hopefully, you know, shows like you coming on your
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show will help that. And somehow it's not else to
get the word out to the public that something very
very bad is happening with our government with combat veterans.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well, and and yes, and these are these are men
and women who have really devoted themselves. And as as
you said, I mean, if someone jumps on a grenade,
I don't think you expect to live and survive that.
So you're willing to take the hit for your comrades,
you're in honor. I mean the people that you want
to protect. You do me a favor, Luke. I want
to play three by. I want you to remember.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
That no bastard ever won of war by dying for
his country.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You want it.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
By making the other for a dumb bastard die for
his country. Man, all this stuff you heard about America
and I wanted to fight, I'm going to stay.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Out of the war.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
There's a lot of horse down. Americans traditionally love to fight.
All real Americans love the stain of battle. When you
were kids, you all admired the champion marbles, the fastest
runner big League ball, then is the toughest boxer. Americans
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love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans
play to win all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So that was in case those I wanted to let
everyone hear it first. That was the opening speech of
the movie Paton by George Scott, George F. Scott, and
it's part of the most amazing speeches I ever heard
in a movie given in a military environment. And I think,
to me, if I'm looking for a hero, I like like,
I like Patent. I just I'm astounded by his ability
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to get the I've done and move forward with that.
I don't think there's any more honor than they have
than serving in the military and risking your life for
the benefit of your country. You agree with that, John,
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
There's something very seductive about combat, very seductive, And he's right.
You go chasing for that high the rest of your life.
A lot of Vietnam vet's come back, and obviously that's
the high point for many of them made the seduction
of combat. And you know the other thing is that
the willingness to die for another person is a form
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of love that even religions fail to inspire because the
commitment to safeguard and other buddies' life in combat is
non negotiable. You learn that it's non negotiable. And the
brotherhood is hard to describe. I mean, I look at
football now, these football teams talk about being in combat
and brotherhood. They got no idea of the brotherhood and
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the bond to this day. And that's the other thing
that pisses me off about this idiot. Nearly we are
dying off. We're losing a thousand Vietnam. That's a day.
Three of the six died. Noras Brendan was next to me,
got shot in the head at that battle dead. Joseph
Burkhart got shot in the neck. He went down, he
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was paralyzed. He was a paraplegic, quadriplegic the rest of
his life. Nick Caranjo died from agent arch. There was
twelve purple hearts of those six men, and these a
holes sitting behind their desk in DC admitted admitted that
they unduly influenced this ballot board. They should be ashamed
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of themselves, but they're not. We can't even get a
meeting with them. I'm sorry I went on, but I
am so pissed and Pat brings that out of me.
So the John Legato Show, the Komi Gang, I wrote
the Near Enemy, dirty Boy I wrote, which is about
rogue FBI agents, And that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
All right, you're pretty prolific, my man, this is John Legato.
If they want to get a hold of you, how
do they do that really quick?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Got a website, go on Facebook, I have an author's page,
and I have a regular page. Or yeah, that's the
best way to reach me.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, so we're gonna have to leave it there, folks.
I went long. I know that. I apologize, but I
think it's important. I want to get John. I want
to get you back on the show. I want to
continue this conversation, particularly for law and order as well.
And I want to see the status of the progress
you're making for the Medal of Honor recipients. I think
that's really important. I want to thank everybody out there.
Will see you next week right here on Made in
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America because we're looking out for you. That's for sure,
see you next week.
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
And a great welcome to you. We're delighted to have
you here today on Made in America. And it seems
more important every week that goes by, that Made in
America becomes relevant. And the more I see, the more
I'm happy, the more I'm happy, the more we're progressing
and doing good things, and the more I'm stunned by
those on the left who seem to be thwarting or
(00:35):
trying to thwart whatever we're trying to do on the right.
And that doesn't make much sense to me. And we're
gonna talk about that right now. Here's what concerns me.
And I'm really baffled by this that here we are
involved with the president that actually is pragmatic and he
looks at so he looks at problems as a businessman,
and he said, all right, we've got to solve the problem.
(00:56):
We can't talk about the problem. We can't vote on
the problem. That way. We're gonna have to figure the
problem out. And the sooner we do it, the better
off we are. The better off we are, the better
America becomes, the better America becomes, actually the better of
the world is so we got to solve these problems.
So we looked at the problem on the border, and
he realized, okay, it's not very complicated. We got it.
What's the word close the border? So he closes the border,
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and we all know that the numbers of thousands of
you know, interventions that we were getting with the legal
aliens on a daily basis has gone down to basically
that word's called well, almost nothing, which is remarkable because
we're not even a year into the presidency and we've
already undone what the Biden administration has done and letting
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all these people come in and putting our border people
at risk, putting the people who live along the border
at risk, and ultimately making America unsafe for the rest
of us because we become a border country. It's not
just like those in the Southwest. If you drive along
Route ten, you see the border. If you're driving, you know,
from west to east, you look to the right and
there's Mexico. Not very complicated, but it's not just a
(02:04):
border problem. For those living down there in Texas and
New Mexico and you know, in the Nevada and things
like that, this is pervasive and this has gone everywhere,
and that's why when President Trump came in, it became well,
you know, President Trump number two two point zero, he
realized this is a top priority. Why is that, Well,
because having all these folks coming into this country not
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knowing who they are, particularly in the world that we
live in, with lack of security, terrorism and all sorts
of bad, nasty people out there, we really want to
know who the hell's coming in, who's ringing our doorbell,
and who's actually thwarting the doorbell. And unfortunately we can't
seem to figure out who they are because the previous
administration let thousands of people in without knowing who they are,
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and that's not a good thing. So all right, so immigration,
that was a major major problem in terms of supply
chain and so forth. We had to get that under control,
which this administration actually did, working with ports, working with
other countries, developing situations and systems that would be better
for us to get products here as necessary as needed,
(03:09):
and we can actually buy products. Now, you notice that
you don't have the weight that you had just two
years ago when you wanted to buy a car, Well,
you couldn't buy a car because they didn't have enough
chips because they didn't have the products, they didn't have
the solutions. They didn't have the ability to put the
products together. Whether they were made here, whether they were
made in Mexico, they were made in China, didn't make
any difference. The parts didn't exist. We had to solve that,
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which we did because we have a pragmatic president. We
have a president looks at the solution and says, I
got to bring this one forward. I can't talk about it,
I can't get out there and virtue signal it. I
got to really make it better because I gave my
word to the American people, if you elect me, I'm
going to do this, which is exactly what this president does. Okay,
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so we got that part under control, but then we
have other things that we're trying to get under the
control and energy, and he looked at the energy situation
and actually, let's just turn it on. Turn the energy,
spick it back onto the United States. And we are now,
you know, a lot more self sufficient than we were
just a year ago, year and a half ago, because
we actually use our own energy and we're not relying
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upon you know, the bad guys, which doesn't make much
sense to me. Why would you want to let the
bad guys control the energy of this country, Why would
you give them money? Because when we give them money,
they do bad things. Oh that's right. We have an
example of that that was Iran had no money. Iran
was allowed to have money. We gave them billions of dollars.
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We allowed them to sell oil. They sell oil, they
get more billions of dollars. The next thing you know,
they're by proxy, they're having wars against Israel in the
Mid East, and screwed that whole thing up. Well, we
have a president who's pragmatic and saw the solution to that,
and he went ahead and resolved that and move forward
in an intelligent fashion, which is good for all of us,
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which in turn lowered the cost of energy for those
living in the United States, which is a good thing.
So we got all what sorts of things going on
right now. We also have and this is a big
deal and we're going to talk about it today. Crime
crime spiked him in the United States. We have all
these illegal people here. We don't know who they are.
We have people who are committing crimes in the United
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States because there are legals, some of which we'll talk
about this on the show later are driving trucks, eighteen wheelers.
They don't speak English, they have a problem, they can't
answer questions. But they're out here driving an eighteen wheeler
and they hit a family, kill a whole family. That
was just last week. We've all seen the information about that.
Not a good thing, bad thing, and something has to
be done about it. And of course we have a
(05:35):
pragmatic president who actually says, hey, you know what, I
think I have a solution to that. We're gonna lock
down and do something about the criminal elements that's here
in this country who happen to be illegal. And I
have the absolute right everything I can do to get
these people out of the country because I want to
make America safe again. So we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna come right back with Made in America. We're
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gonna have Misty Chalie here, the CEO of Capital Solutions.
We're gonna be talking about immigrant and if we're lucky,
we'll get something fun to eat. We'll be right back.
Don't go anywhere if this is Made in America. Okay,
welcome back to Maid in America. I'm Rich Rothman. You're
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a host of delighted to have you here today. We
have so many important things to talk about. On the
phone with us right now is Missy Chalie Missy executive
director of Critical Labor Coalition, and we're going to be
talking about immigration and its effect on actually, you know,
employment in the United States and why we kind of
we need a stable understanding of immigration. I think we
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all agree with that. I think that's a very good
thing to have, but we cannot in any way deny
that immigration is crucial to the success of the United States,
and if you look at the legacy of the United States,
it's crucial to our survival because we're all immigrants. So Missy,
welcome to MAID in America.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, I'm really excited you here because I you know,
I really enjoy talking about employment and entrepreneurism and hiring people.
I mean, I've been an entrepreneur for a long, long time,
for many years, and we talk about it on the
show an awful lot. So I'm anxious to hear what's
going on. So you just had you had a piece
that you did in the Hill and it says immigration
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with lashes hurting American businesses during a labor crisis. Well,
I want to talk about that. I want to understand
the predicate for that a little bit, so the folks
out there understand where you're coming from, and let's have it.
Let's have a chat about that.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
No, I think that's great, and it's it's a really
important issue right now.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So in what way let's let's just make it clear
so that the business people out there understand in what
way is the situation right now with the government and
what it's doing in terms of illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
You know, what seems to be amiss and what do
we need to correct?
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Sure, good question. So we're kind of facing a perfect
storm right now because we have continuing and ongoing workforce
shortage coupled with the new immigration based policies that are
taking some you know, workers away from those jobs that
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are already struggling to get filled. So specifically, we're talking
about the revocation of parole status for Cuban Patians, Nicaraguans, Venezuelans,
and then we have the revocation of temporary protected status
for similar communities, so that really hits the entry level jobs,
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those jobs that we have had trouble filling for decades,
and so it kind of exacerbates what's currently happening with
workforce shortage positions in the US.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Okay, so here we have a situation in I want
to make it clear we are I guess you're talking
about the the ying and yang that we see in
terms of picking up immigrants. Is that where is that
where we I just want to get specific on that. Sore.
Are you concerned? And I think you are that we
are in a way one day we're doing this, then
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we say we're not going to do that, and then
we're going to keep the farmer safe and so forth,
which we realize all of a sudden, there was no
romaine in the stores anymore. It just it just disappeared.
I mean those who like caesar salad were like really upset.
They have all the stressing and nothing to eat it with.
I mean, they're going nuts. That's not a good thing.
So I mean the New Yorkers would go crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I mean they just, oh my god, I do like
a good caesar salad.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, well, listen, you know the New Yorkers would go
to Sally Anthony's in Gramercy Park, place that I lived
in when I was a kid. And if you couldn't
get Caesar salad there, since it was run by the mob,
you could get shot. I'm just saying could be. I
don't know, could happen. It could be really bad, But
it sounds like in all since already that you know,
we seem to go and you know, blanket pulling people
(10:05):
in maybe, and we did see that. We saw a
lot of strange things happening that we were upset about,
and I think the government tried to do something about it,
and then we did something about it, and then we
go back to it. And so in the best situations,
how is that How is that really exasperating you know,
an already strange job market.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, well, it's interesting because our coalition is made up
of trade associations primarily in businesses, but we represent restaurant tours, hoteliers, retailers,
grocery stores, human resource executives, amusement parks. I mean, the
span is very wide. So it's interesting when you hear
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that there'll be one or another industry exempted, and you know,
it creates an increase in certainty in these times where
I think those industries and the workers for those industries
are you know, concerned about their employment. So I think
it's that kind of uncertainty that we're dealing with. But
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I think we're optimistic. We know President Trump is, you know,
runs businesses. He understands the need for these workers.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Well, he's had hotels. I mean, misty, he would get it.
I would think he has hotels. He knew that he
was working with immigrants in the hotels. If you even
listen to our Secretary of State, his mother worked in
the hotels. She's exactly what we're talking about, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So I do think he gets it. Yeah, No, I
do think he gets it. And that's why we're seeing
you like his his his statement saying that he understands
that we need ag workers, we need restaurant workers, and
it's just putting policy to those words that we'd really need.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Well, you know what's interesting and coming from South Florida
and being in business down here and involved in international business,
which I have been for nineteen eighty nine, that's all
my pro bona work has been in that. And then
the magazines that I own, like Latin Trade, Latin CEO,
South Florida, CEO Global Miami. I mean, they're all keyed
into exactly what we're talking about. And then living down here.
(12:23):
I mean, we if you can't understand immigration living in Miami,
then I just want you to know that you need
to go to Lakeside Memorial Park and plant yourself because
you've missed the whole point you know, of what's going
on in South Florida. So but let's go back to
this situation. Immigration does a lot more than just jobs.
You know, I think you'd agree with that. It really
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produces culture. It really encourages, you know, not just the diversity,
but you start thinking differently when you have different cultures.
And one of the things that Miami has become over
the years is we become an R and D center.
We are an innovative center. That's what we are. You're
an innovative center because we have all these people like
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you're talking about in Nicaragua's Guatemalans. We have Brazilians, we
have Venezuelans, we have Chileans. I mean, we have more
Brazilians than any other country in the world other than Brazil.
We have so many Nicaraguans. They have their own bankers association.
They do the nicarag Bankers Association. I mean, come on,
it's not even a huge country. We have in Nicaraguan
Bankers Association. But what's interesting is that that gave rise
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all those people coming here, gave rise to international finance
and banking and things like that. So it would seem
to me we we embrace immigration.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Oh yeah, I think you know, that's what our country
is all about. And I understand that. You know, there
was and is a problem with our borders right now,
and our coalition is not opposed to, you know, strengthening
the borders. It's just you know that we need to
consider the impact on the US employers. And like I said,
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I think the President understands that. But you're correct. I mean,
I think in so many ways, immigration brings so many
great aspects of different cultures into the country that you know,
without that, you know, we wouldn't be the country we are.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Well, you know, it's centrizing in your piece, which, by
the way, I enjoyed reading you quote Steve Moore. Steven
Moore is a good friend. He's been on Made in America.
We've been doing this about seventeen years and Steven's come
on a lot with all his buddies. And just for
those out there understand, he's a former senior economic advisor
President Trump. I mean he and Art Laugher and Cudlow
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put together the economic policy that he presented in the
New York Economic Club back in the day when he
was first running for president. But he puts it well,
Trump's goal to grow by three percent over the next decade,
and I'm quoting, by the way, will be difficult without
an ample influx of immigrants to compensate for an aging
American born population. So it looks like we don't somehow
get this under control by virtue of an aging population,
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we're going to be in trouble.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Exactly. I mean, you're coupling an aging population with other
factors about people's thoughts about working and the flexibility and
you know, people want to be Uber drivers and want
to work from home, and the members we represent you
need to be physically in a store, in a restaurant,
in a you know, a retail store, in a hotel.
(15:31):
And so yeah, it's with the aging population and the
changing demographics, we really are going to be in trouble
for decades to come if we don't fix this.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah. No, I think we have to listen. I think
we all agree that you really should sign the guestbook
when you come and you really can't be an illegal
that's breaking the law. Let me tell you something. Yeah,
you know, I spent twenty nine years in Latin America
with all these other companies, and I got to tell you,
if you go from Guatemala into Mexico illegally, you're gonna
get arrested. I mean, they don't tolerate that. If you're
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a female, I didn't want to think about it. You're
in big trouble.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Yeah, so yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean, I think we all agree, no question. Everyone
raised their hand, two hands up goldposts. We agree that
we can't have a legal immigration. We got to get
it under control and for lots of reasons, and we
got to know who's here. For God's sakes, it's a
dangerous world. But on the other hand, give me you're tired,
you're poor, you're humble, you're sick. We embrace a Malazarus
that's on the Statue of Liberty to her poem that
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she wrote. We embrace that because we need that. You know,
where would we beef We didn't have little literally in
New York when I was a kid growing up. Where
would we if we have Chinatown? Where would I be
if I didn't cut high school and go to Ferraras
and get Italian stuff when I was a kid, where
would we be if we didn't have any of that.
It would be really a.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Sad place to live, would be.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
It would be completely agree there. And you know, you know,
I'm for bringing manufacturing back to back to the US,
but you know that that involves training and a lot
of different factors to bring those workers here. And we
need the workers now, We need those entry level workers now.
So you know, I just encourage the administration to you know,
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set forth policies that keeps those legal workers here.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Well, I agree with you one hundred percent. You know,
you know I talked to my friend alfreda Ortiz up
in New York.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh yeah, Hill, Oh, I love.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
I love, I love. He's been on the show many
times and he's great and he espouses what you're talking about. Listen.
We want him encourage, we want him embrace. We want
them here. Not only that, we need to learn from
them because they bring skill sets that we don't have.
I mean, the whole apprenticeship program. If you think about it, Misty,
you know that has changed dramatically over the last let's
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say five years, six years, seven years that we've realized.
My generation said, oh my god, if you go to college,
you're in big trouble. You know, you're not going to
get anywhere. That's nonsense. That just doesn't that doesn't cut
it anymore. But apprenticeships for trade skills, Oh my god,
these people are making a fortune. It's just don't.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Really are It's crazy. I wonder why I went to
law school because I'm thinking I should have gone to
trade school. I really should have.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
But come on, try and get your air conditioning fixed.
If you can't fix it yourself, Oh my god, it's
so expended, exactly. Yeah, So listen, So mister, I'm going
to give you thirty seconds, give me your final comment
on this. I think what you're saying is right. I
think we really got to get this under control. I
think we have to get the illegality under control. But
if you had your druthers, what would you say to
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everybody right now?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I mean, I would just say, you know, we protecting
the borders is great. We certainly have to get every
the immigration program under control, but we need to encourage
those that are filling the jobs that US workers won't
fill or can't fill. We need to keep them here
in order to keep our economy growing.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I can't. I think that's perfect. We're going to end
it right there, Misty. It's delighted to have you here,
Executive Director, Critical Labor Coalition. If they go, how do
they find you? Misty?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you go to you can email me at Misty
c at Clcoalition dot net.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
And final question, so how many people come up to
you and say play Misty for me?
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh my goodness, you wouldn't even em It's it's in
the hundreds.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
It's a Clint eastwo thing. I couldn't let you go
by without saying that. Anyway. Thank you so much for
being on maide in America. Come back soon. We've got
to have you back real soon because this isn't going
away right away. It's going to be ongoing. We need
you here. Thank you so much, Misty. Have a great weekend,
God bless. We're going to be right back with John Legato.
I don't want you to go anywhere, but maybe can
get a glass of water, go hydrate yourself. We'll be
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right back with more of Maid in America.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Promoting American industry.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
This is made in America with rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Big welcome back to Made in America. I'm the why
did you here today? We've had just a remarkable conversation
with Misty Challie talking about immigration, and I think I
want to get into that with John a little bit too,
talking about legal versus illegal immigration. There's a lot out
there this week in terms of the illegalities, and we
have a law and order problem in this country. A
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lot of this is tied into the illegals that are
here that will result to a degree, a good part
of the degree as a result of the previous administration.
You know, we discussed and we know that we had
thousands of thousands of encounters every day with the legal
immigrants breaking into the country with the customed border patrol.
And now that's basically down, as we pointed out, and
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John knows as well, to almost nothing compared to what
it was. But let me just set this up a
little bit. John Legato is our next guest. He is
a good friend. John is, oh my god, an extraordinarily
accomplished individual, aside from being, you know, a member of
the FBI, and he was a special agent with the FBI,
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so we know he's a tough guy. And don't mess
with John. But he also was involved. He was a
you know, Philadelphia probation officer. He was a deputy Commissioner
of the State of Pennsylvania from mental retardation. More importantly,
he was a lance corporal in the Marine, something that
we're going to talk about in the Code of Honor.
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And as I said, now, he's been an adjunct professor
for counter terrorism at Campbell University Safety Director. I mean
he this man is he's worked with m I five.
We're gonna we're gonna learn so much about John. He's
gonna we're gonna have to wind up doing a series
about John Legato. John, Welcome to MAIDE in America.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Well, hey, thanks, that was great. Who did you introduce there?
I don't know, was that me?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, what about John? That's what we're doing
right about John. So John, let me let me before
we get into this, you know, the the honor Code
in the military, because I really want to have a conversation,
a serious conversation about that. We know on MAIDE in America,
we we covet, we respect, we embrace, we support, we
do what we can for our first you know, those
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who are on the front line of protecting us. The Marines.
I have to tell you, the Marines are barnun, the
toughest guys that were out there. I think my relatives
my were Marines twice decorated. Just absolutely remarkable situation and
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I'm very, very delighted to have you on the show
to talk about that. But let me let me talk
about law and order for a second, John, I mean, here,
we have all these people coming into the country right now,
and we don't know who they are, and we're seeing
right now that this president is trying very very hard
to get it under control. You would, I mean, you
have to say, you're a former agent with the FBI,
and we don't have law and order.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I don't know what we got, right, No, we got chaos.
We got anarchy, that's what we got. And a lot
of these people that are you know, diehards let them
all in. They would stop short of letting them into
their home, opening their doors at night, and just allowing
people in that they don't know. So there's a hypocritical
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factor in.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
This too, So it seems to me, and this is
what's been you know, I wanted to talk about a
little bit that the problem's been there now for the
last four and a half years practically under the Biden
administration and the progressors that were running this country. You know,
we had we had chaos. I mean, we had hundreds
of thousands of encounters at the border. We had people,
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you know, thousands living under the roads, you know, sort
of like what they did in Miami during the Mariolito
incursion in the early nineteen eighties, when we had you know,
like one hundred and eighty thousand Marriolitos came here in
ninety days and it just broke the socioeconomics of Miami.
And the beginning of the movie Scarface was actually accurate
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because I drove past that every day. They were living
under I ninety five, and I got to tell you something.
The crime that occurred in South Florida, which I think
is exemplary of what was happening in this country right now,
was totally out of control. It was a time period
in Miami that the bad guys ruled and the good
guys were getting killed. And it was not a good
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scene for us. I mean, it was the cover of
Time magazine where it was said, Paradise lost, and that's
not a good thing. We cannot have this country become
a paradise lost because if we lose this country, we
lose the world. So it's very very important. So John,
I mean, I would think that having a pragmatic president
like Trump right now as a former law and order guy,
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committed to law and order. You know what's your take
on that.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Well, pragmatic is the issue that really insulted our intelligence.
When the Democrats said we're going to stop you at
the border, We're going to give you a ticket or
whatever and release you, but you'll come back in three months.
It really challenged our intellect to say that, and they
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didn't believe it. They couldn't believe it because I don't
have the statistics, but I would imagine ninety plus percent
of the people never came back for a second hearing
because they were in So, yeah, you have a practical problem.
But Trump is doing the right thing again by not
allowing everybody. And what I agree with them that people
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don't agree for the main part, or a lot of
people don't agree, is that if you're here illegally, first
of all, they say it's a civil violation, it's not.
It's a low fellow. You're breaking the law. So why
should we allow you to stay in here. And then
a big percentage of the people who didn't have criminal
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backgrounds had hearings. In other words, they missed their hearings.
We gave them the initial chance to make it right,
and they just didn't come back. And now they're portrayed
as like seventy percent of innocent people who are being
deported and it's not the truth.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Well, you know, John, you know you're saying they didn't
come back for their trial. The whole point was they
weren't going to come back for the trial. The whole point.
If you understand the Olenski's you know, rules for radical
one of the clauses is in cloward and pivot and
Columbia University exemplified that when they said, overrun the system,
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break the system. If you can break the system, we win.
You know what I mean, it's a very Marxist attitude,
and I think that's exactly what they wanted to do,
was to break the system. They did. I mean, Biden's
administration was a total loser. Hey, listen, I wanted you
to listen to a sound bite. Let's listen to number
C number two C Southern Border encounter. Let's listen to that.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
I wanted to switch and talk to you for a
second about the southern border because I looked up the
statistics here and this graph really kind of tells the tale.
This is Southwest border encounters year over year. You see
all the lines of twenty twenty two, twenty three, and
twenty four way up there in the hundreds of thousands,
and then you see this green line at the bottom,
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which is fiscal year twenty twenty five, and you see
when President Trump took office that number goes from about
one hundred thousand per month down to almost zero.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Is that amazing, John, That just amazing.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah. What's amazing about it is the wall and the enforcement.
I mean, I don't know what the estimate is. I
hear twelve million, twenty million are here illegally. I put
that worth of twenty million, so do I. But you
know what's amazing is the amount of time he did it.
I mean, he not only turned it around, and I
didn't never thought that it would turn around so quickly.
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It was amazing. But that goes to show you, number one,
that he has the power. He has the House in
the Senate right now, and my biggest worry is once
he loses, you know, the House or the Senate, things
will come to a grinding halt.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Well that's a very very very distinct possibility. But what's
interesting to me is that it belies the lie that
the Democrats put out saying, well, we've got to pass
the bill. We got to pass a bill. We can't
get the border under control unless we get more money.
We need a lot more money for the border, and
we need to pass the bill. So it's got to
go to the House, it's got to go to the Senate.
So all they did, as we were talking about earlier
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on the show, that they were tap dancing the whole
thing and never solved it. They did not have a
clue and what they wanted to do except to keep
doing what they were doing to break the system, to
maintain in their power. So I find it just astounding
that you know that they allowed that, and I'm stunned
and I'm excited that that Trump got in. Let me
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let's talk for a second about Washington.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Let me bring up another part here, because analogius to
the education system. If you look, the Democrats were saying,
let's keep pouring money in our educational system and we
can turn it around and that never happened because we
weren't teaching. You know, the additional money went for DEI.
You know, we weren't using the money for reading, writing,
and arithmetic. So the Democrats have a history of saying
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money will solve the problems, but they're not practical when
they say that.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yeah, I agree with you. I'll give you a good
example of that, the War on Poverty that goes back
to nineteen sixty five. And Johnson, do you know how
much money we spent on the War on poverty in
that program today? Twenty two point three trillion dollars. Twenty
two point three trillion dollars. That's serious money. You know.
That's not billions, kid, that's tea with a trillion. And
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if in fact, money would be the solution to everything,
and I think you're right, John they say throw money
at it. They always throw money at it. We need money,
We've got to give the money. We got to help.
That's not the answer, is it, Because it didn't assure
as hell, didn't stop poverty. No.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
No, money doesn't solve not without a solid plan behind it.
And that's the Democrats. They don't understand planning. I was
in two institutions that. You know, planning was a big
issue the Marine Corps and the FBI. You planned operations,
you planned what you wanted to achieve. You've planned how
you wanted to achieve it, and then people have the
authority to do it. And there's a link missing with
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politicians these days. They have no idea. They get into
office and they're influenced heavily by lobbyists, and then they
I call it belt Way delusion. They come from Kansas
or wherever, and they get inside that belt one and
they stay there long enough they become part of the problem.
I really believe this.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Well they do. And they also become wealthy, which is remarkable. Yeah,
you know, I mean Obama comes in, he's this guy
from Chicago and never had a lot of money, although
he was certainly supported by all the bad guys in Chicago.
And the next thing you know, he's worth hundreds of
millions of dollars. Nancy Pelosi beats Goldman Sacks. I mean,
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her stats look better than Goldman Sacks. How does that happen? Well,
for that matter, Hunter Biden did too, because he got
hired by trying Goldman Sacks came in number two. I mean,
that's a bit perverse as well. So what we were
discussing earlier, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
How about aoc She was a bartender singing drinks for
eighteen bucks an hour. Now she's worth ten million. They
could never do net worth investigations on any politician. The
issue of being a net worth is where did you
get this money? And if they dig deep, but there'll
be all kind of campaign violations and we wouldn't have
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anybody in Congress.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
No, it's just amazing. Well, listen, John, hang in there.
We're gonna take a break and make some money for
the affiliates out there. When we come back, we're gonna
continue with John Legato, and we're gonna be talking about
the military. We're gonna be talking about the Code of Honor,
and we're gonna be talking about how you get a
Medal of Honor and the reality of that. Don't go anywhere.
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman. Be right back. Okay,
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welcome back to Maid in America. I'm a trough and
your host alloted to have you here on the phone
with us right now. Is John Legato definitely a law
and order guy. I mean he belongs on television. He
was a special agent with the FBI for many years
and an expert in counter terrorism work with other countries
when undercover, going after the MOBB. He's unbelievable and he's
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very talented, and we have to turn him into a
series on television. But I'm delighted to have you here, John.
I want to get back to something we were talking about,
and that's the long order thing. You know. This week
we saw the President put the National Guard in Washington, DC,
and I'm sure you spend a lot of time in
that area, being in part of the FBI for all
those years. And yet I find interesting all the liberal
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media and all the Democrats are just it's the end
of the world. It's the end of it. They always
say this, it's the end of democracy. It's the end
of the world. Cats and dogs living together on the
street is like Ghostbusters come back, you know, real quick,
take thirty seconds on that. I'd like your opinion.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Well, it's funny because behind the scenes, some of the
liberals are saying they applaud that because they live in Washington,
there's a practical issue there. They have seen the crime,
they have seen neighbors, they've been bugged, So they keep
to the party line. But they know that's a good thing.
How could it not be a good thing. And you
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make the assumption that the National Guard or whatever deputized
homeland security officers are doing something wrong by their mere presence.
Their mere presence is dissuading crime, because the number one
other than planned crime is opportunity. So you have all
these people on the street, muggers, killers, whatever, and they
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have opportunity. But if you take away the opportunity, they
won't be committing the crime. And if they do commit
the crime, they're going to get arrested. Now, so I think,
and I've heard, you know through the grape mind that
many liberals love them being there, but they'll never admit it.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Well, of course they won't. I agree with that. They
can't do that. One thing the Liberals do and the
Democrats do. They stick together, good bad, are indifferent. Now,
we'll give them credit for that. They just you know,
they're a formidable force, so to speak. But let me
let me let me go into another conversation for a second, John,
One of the things we wanted to talk about to
is the military. And it seems like relatively soon, you know,
(35:05):
You've mentioned that you're in the middle of exposing a
major corruption within the Department of Navy, and it had
to relate to Medal of Honor. And you know, one
of the things that we want to do is respect
and created a very very strong legacy for our military heroes,
and I think that's really important. Do you want to
give me a quick precis and an intro and then
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I want to play a couple of soundbites? I go
to it.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, the backstory was I was in Way City. I
was in the first Marine Division in nineteen sixty eight
during TET and about eighty of us went into Way City.
We were the initial reaction force in the Way. During TET.
We had no officers. They were all dead or elsewhere.
So a gunnery sergeant inn E seven took command of
a company and his exo by default, was an E
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five sergeant. Both of those men won the Medal of
Honor in the first few days at Way, which is
very very significant. So it took fifty years. The sergeant
was killed in action and the gunny wrote him up
for the Medal of Honor, but since we had no officers,
nobody ever wrote the gunny up so it took me
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fifty years, but I eventually wrote the Gunny up for
the Medal of Honor and he received it in twenty eighteen.
So Gunny Canley said, well, this is not fair. None
of the junior enlisted men got any valor awards. So
he wrote six of us up for valid awards. It
went in and they all got denied or downgraded, which
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is not unusual. I mean, you don't always get your
nominated award. But then what happened Foya. We got Foyer
material back and what we found out and this is.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Freedom of Information Act for those who don't know, Freedom
of information.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. And what we found out is
that the president of the Navy Valor Board, who's been
there seventeen years, a guy by the name of James
Nearly unduly influenced a combat val board. He'm duly influence.
And you say, well, how do you know that we
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submitted so much evidence? As you said, I'm a retired
FBI agent, so I know what evidence is. I know
what direct evidence is, cooperative, circumstantial. We submitted legal Greece
and the Navy came back and admitted it. Now, think
about this, the Navy admitted that the president of their
valor board unduly influenced valor board. So what happens, nothing,
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that's too bad. We're sorry, but they won't meet with you.
We've never had a conversation with them. So that's where
we're at now. We are going to expose them in
the newspaper. We're going to eventually sue them. We are
going to make them. Look at here's the other thing there,
which is more significant. It's not just the six veterans.
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We have found numerous other cases were the same. Nearly
James nearly undue influence their valid boards. I'll give you
just one quick example. There was a lance corporal who
jumped on the grenade in Vietnam, and ten marines jumped
on grenades. All got the Medal of honor except this
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one guy, and so we researched it. I talked to
his daughter and we found out the reason he did
not get the medal of honor even though he jumped
on the grenade. And the reason we found out was
is that he lived. Now, think about that, the act
of valor was jumping on the grenade. He had no
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idea if he was going to live or die. But
that's the kind of stuff that's going on with valor
award boards. And this one guy has been there seventeen years.
The president. We found other what we think are unethical
behavior with valor boards, and we're trying to expose it.
And hopefully, you know, shows like you coming on your
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show will help that. And somehow it's not else to
get the word out to the public that something very
very bad is happening with our government with combat veterans.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Well, and and yes, and these are these are men
and women who have really devoted themselves. And as as
you said, I mean, if someone jumps on a grenade,
I don't think you expect to live and survive that.
So you're willing to take the hit for your comrades,
you're in honor. I mean the people that you want
to protect. You do me a favor, Luke. I want
to play three by. I want you to remember.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
That no bastard ever won of war by dying for
his country.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
You want it.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
By making the other for a dumb bastard die for
his country. Man, all this stuff you heard about America
and I wanted to fight, I'm going to stay.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Out of the war.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
There's a lot of horse down. Americans traditionally love to fight.
All real Americans love the stain of battle. When you
were kids, you all admired the champion marbles, the fastest
runner big League ball, then is the toughest boxer. Americans
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love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans
play to win all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So that was in case those I wanted to let
everyone hear it first. That was the opening speech of
the movie Paton by George Scott, George F. Scott, and
it's part of the most amazing speeches I ever heard
in a movie given in a military environment. And I think,
to me, if I'm looking for a hero, I like like,
I like Patent. I just I'm astounded by his ability
(40:59):
to get the I've done and move forward with that.
I don't think there's any more honor than they have
than serving in the military and risking your life for
the benefit of your country. You agree with that, John,
I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
There's something very seductive about combat, very seductive, And he's right.
You go chasing for that high the rest of your life.
A lot of Vietnam vet's come back, and obviously that's
the high point for many of them made the seduction
of combat. And you know the other thing is that
the willingness to die for another person is a form
(41:35):
of love that even religions fail to inspire because the
commitment to safeguard and other buddies' life in combat is
non negotiable. You learn that it's non negotiable. And the
brotherhood is hard to describe. I mean, I look at
football now, these football teams talk about being in combat
and brotherhood. They got no idea of the brotherhood and
(41:59):
the bond to this day. And that's the other thing
that pisses me off about this idiot. Nearly we are
dying off. We're losing a thousand Vietnam. That's a day.
Three of the six died. Noras Brendan was next to me,
got shot in the head at that battle dead. Joseph
Burkhart got shot in the neck. He went down, he
(42:22):
was paralyzed. He was a paraplegic, quadriplegic the rest of
his life. Nick Caranjo died from agent arch. There was
twelve purple hearts of those six men, and these a
holes sitting behind their desk in DC admitted admitted that
they unduly influenced this ballot board. They should be ashamed
(42:43):
of themselves, but they're not. We can't even get a
meeting with them. I'm sorry I went on, but I
am so pissed and Pat brings that out of me.
So the John Legato Show, the Komi Gang, I wrote
the Near Enemy, dirty Boy I wrote, which is about
rogue FBI agents, And that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
All right, you're pretty prolific, my man, this is John Legato.
If they want to get a hold of you, how
do they do that really quick?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
Got a website, go on Facebook, I have an author's page,
and I have a regular page. Or yeah, that's the
best way to reach me.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Okay, so we're gonna have to leave it there, folks.
I went long. I know that. I apologize, but I
think it's important. I want to get John. I want
to get you back on the show. I want to
continue this conversation, particularly for law and order as well.
And I want to see the status of the progress
you're making for the Medal of Honor recipients. I think
that's really important. I want to thank everybody out there.
Will see you next week right here on Made in
(43:45):
America because we're looking out for you. That's for sure,
see you next week.
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