September 14, 2025 • 43 mins
Rich Rothman discusses the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk and the broader implications of public apathy towards safety. The conversation shifts to the critical role of energy in America's economic growth, emphasizing the need for abundant and affordable energy sources, including nuclear energy. Rothman highlights the importance of job creation and the challenges small businesses face in accessing credit, advocating for deregulation and supportive policies to foster economic prosperity.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, welcome to Me in America. Another version of it today,
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to be with you today. You know, again, it never fails.
It is just amazing news days. And of course the
news that we heard yesterday and I just can't ignore it,
I can't, is Charlie Kirk's assassination. And it's one of
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the saddest things. I Mean, when I found out that
he passed away, I was coming out of a meeting.
I just absolutely shrieked. I was so upset for Charlie
and his family. It's just just awful. It's just terrible. Uh,
you pay an ultimate price for having an opinion, for
doing something that's actually making America better, making America great again.
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But you you should have Nobody nobody has the right
to take that from you. Nobody, you know what was
that also added to that? You know, I may not
agree with you, but I'll fight to the death for
the right for you to say that, which makes me upset.
But nothing, Charlie really made me up set made me upset.
But it does make me upset that we don't seem
to be learning for something. You know, I just find
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it amazing that uh, you know we uh, it's like
deja bou we we. It's almost identical to what happened
in Bilton, Pennsylvania. Anybody see that out there? If you
look at it, you look for the and you go online,
you look for the shooter on the roof in Utah shooting,
and you're going to find, you know, four or five, six,
seven different videos basically the same thing. But it looks
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it could have been played in Butler and it's talking
to guys or videotaping. They're on their phone rather than
that videotaping. God, I'm showing my age. They're they're they're
they're recording what they see on the roof prior to
the assassination, and and there's a guy on the roof
and he's laying in a prone position, facing towards where
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you know, Charlie was gonna be, and they're talking about it,
and they're saying, you know, look at that. God, I wonder,
I mean, this is like blows me away. I wonder
what that is. I wonder what that is? What do
you mean you wonder what that is? You have something
on a roof facing in the direction of a guy
who's about to speak, who's conservative, who did tremendous work,
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you know, getting helping the president become the president in
the last election, delivering the youth vote for him. Remarkable work.
Great guy, young man, thirty one years of age, two
kids and a beautiful wife. And they look at this thing,
this person is something they're not sure what it is
on the roof, and they're wondering, what the hell is it? Well,
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why do you even have the second guess what the
hell is it? What it is? When in fact, if
you think there's something up there and there's a huge
event about to take place, why don't you scream? Why
don't you shout, why don't you do something instead of nothing?
And here we go again. We have a situation that
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just like we had in Butler that you know, people
were there, they saw somebody on the roof, they pointed
it out to people. Everybody was pointing out this guy
in the roof and Butler that didn't do a damn thing.
The guy shoots the president. Amazing, just amazing, you know,
and they had security there. So that really scares the
hell out of me. But in this case in Orum,
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by the way, I know Orm well. I used to
go to Sundance, the Sundance Resort, which is just up
from Orm. It's literally up because it's seven two hundred
feet up from Orm. It could be one hundred degrees
in Oram in the summer. You go up the mountain
the sun Dance as to Robert Redford's home by the way,
and it's a magnificent resort and you go up there
and it could be seventy five degrees. It's just unbelievable.
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It's a beautiful area. But this is just horrific. But
what makes it more horrific for me is that nobody
did anything. I'll give you another one here's another one
that really upsets me that we saw in this last
week or two, and that's this poor Ukrainian girl who
comes here because things are so screwed up in her country.
She comes over here. She's sitting on a train, a
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light rail chain train, going somewhere at night, not even
thinking that something can happen to her because she left
the dangerous place and she came to the safe place.
But we're not so safe. So what happens to her?
And I can relate to this, I'm going to give
you an analogy what happens to her. This is what
happened to Kitty Jeneviez in Queens, New York, in nineteen
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sixty two in the winter time. And this was the
start of the downfall of Manhattan in New York City
when I was a kid in the sixties. Kitty Jenevieve
was coming home to her apartment in the Queens and
somebody came up to her and stabbed her once or twice.
She screams hysterically for help, and they run and the
attacker runs away, goes away, at least he disappears for
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a while. A bunch of people are looking out their
windows and they're wondering, what is that noise? Someone screaming,
My god, what should we do? I don't know. We
shouldn't get involved. The attacker listened to this. The attacker
comes back for a second time. He stabs her again
a couple of times, and she shouts and screams and help.
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The people come to the window and they say, well,
we didn't want to get involved. They don't get involved.
Nothing happens, she's bleeding, nothing happens. He comes back for
a third time, he finishes off, stabs her again. Thirty
three people, According to the New York Post and the
Daily News, thirty three people watched what was going on.
Not one person did anything. And that is when the
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word apathy became synonymous with New York City. And it
was the start of a downfall in New York until
you know, Giuliani came along. It was awful, It was terrible.
I got mugged twice, once on the subway. How interesting.
The second was in front of my own house with
a doorman watching, and no one seemed to do anything.
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Nobody would help. So do we ever learn? So what
happened on the light rail that this young lady was
on she's sitting there, she stabbed. There were two people
right opposite her, and you know what they were doing.
They were towering. They didn't want to get involved, you
know what I mean, sort of like you know, deju
vous Queen's New York nineteen sixty two. We didn't want
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to get around, you know, we didn't want to get involved.
After all, we might get hurt. She's gonna die, but
we might get hurt. So our sense of morality and
our love and belief in our fellow man or woman
in this case, that goes out the window, because after all,
I don't want to get involved. I don't want to
get hurt. And there's a pattern there, that pattern as
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it was established in New York in nineteen sixty two
with Kitty Jenevie's. I'm telling everybody out there, you look
that up. Kitty Jeneviez nineteen sixty two. Queens of New
York stabbing. We didn't want to get involved, and the
big word is apathy. And New York went to hell
after that, right down the tubes. So what am I saying.
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I'm saying that we better get her act together, This
country better get its act together, because our sense of
morality and what we're doing. Our faith and belief in
our fellow man and woman is what really bothers the
hell out of me. That's all I'm going to say
about it. It just I saw that and I just said,
oh my god, I lived through that, and it's awful.
It's awful. Okay. Now said that, we have a heck
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of a show few and I'm really excited. We're gonna be
talking about energy with Jack Spencer and Jack is with
a Heritage Foundation. We're gonna have a great conversation and
we're really excited. One of our best friends, Alfredo Ortiz
from the Job Creators Network. Lfredo's got He's got all
sorts of good things happening right now, especially with Trump
and office. Don't go anywhere, lots of things to learn.
You're gonna want to listen to this. We'll be right back. Okay,
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Welcome back to Maidian in America. We're delighted to have
a good friend of the show. Jack Spencer's a Scenior
Research Fellow for Energy and Environmental Policy at the Heritage Foundation.
We're delighted. Jack. Welcome to maid in America. We're overjoyed
you're here today.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, great, So you're in the right place at the
right time. I mean, you know, we we were on
the right track in Trump two point one point zero
and we were moving the right direction. And then he
had a lot of infringements coming along that gave him
a hard time, and suits and suits and suits and
suits and how to depend and you know, do what
he had to do. He comes back two point zero
and this present is just rocking this country right now.
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And one of the areas that's so important is energy,
you know, Jack, you know, energies. If we don't have energy,
abundant energy constantly there, you know, assured that it's going
to be there at the right price, at the right time,
then we can't be a manufacturing base. We can't grow
a country can with this is really important.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We won't be economically prosperous at all, regardless of what
the base of our economy is. One thing we know
for sure, any country that's prosperous has access to abundant,
affordable energy. And you know, the great thing about the
United States is we have so much of it, and
all we need is from the government to get out
of the way and we'll produce it. And what has
happened too often is the government gets in the way.
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And what Trump's doing is is just clear clearing, the
clearing the paths so America's energy producers can go out
and do what they do best, which is produce energy.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, yeah, I mean, it just seems to me that
we were going in the right direction and we have
such a no, we're such a blessed country. You know,
people want so much around the world that when we
have and we take for granted. I mean, first of all,
you know, the fossil fuel scenario and we're talking about
coal and oil and natural gas and things like that,
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it got a bad rap and under with Biden. In reality,
you know, We've hosted a lot of shows about energy.
I've hosted a lot of panels about energy in clean
cold technology and all the things that we can do
to be abundant because to me and nuclear and I
want to get to nuclear just a second, it's really
important to me. It seems like, you know, we're sitting
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on the most amazing period of America's future. You know,
it reminds me of the late eighteen hundred with the
robber barons and we were growing in the Industrial Revolution
and all these great you know, companies came to be
and inventions came to be, and we were just an
energized country. We were on the make, and we just
led the world and everything that needed to be led.
So where we are right now, you know, there are
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a couple of pieces that are out. We're talking about
freeing America's nuclear fuel energy. Trump's executive orders are the
first step in a nuclear revolution. And why cutting the
Department of Energy's budget it's a good thing. We're going
to get into some of that. One of the things
that if you were to rank prioritize, Jack, we know
where we need to go with this with the Trump administration.
So what are the first steps that we need to
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do and we're taking right now. This is really important
for manufacturing and growing jobs in this country.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Go ahead, Jack, Yeah, Well, first thing is get rid
of the old green policies. They were really the green policies.
The so called green policies really were economic control policies.
Move them to the side. We started doing that, and
then we have to to get rid of the burdensome
permitting process. That doesn't mean to have no regulation, it
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doesn't mean to let our water and air get polluted,
but it means have regulation that actually does something but
doesn't get in the way of progress. Those are two
big things. And then free resources up to be developed.
And as long as you do those three things, industry,
the American American families and businesses will take care of
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the rest.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I agree. Now I want to get to a topic.
That's that you know, was very heated in the seventies
and and then we had a couple of experiences with
nuclear and scared of the hell out of everybody, and
then uh, and then Europe seems to embrace nuclear energy.
France certainly did, and it seems like the entire concept
of nuclear energy and we're going to get into that
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in two seconds, has changed. And the type of nuclear
reactors that are out there now are much smaller. They're
almost like in quotation in italics, regional nuclear reactors. You know,
they're smaller than they were years ago. They're probably very efficient.
And I think if we're going to really do something
to move forward, and we need megawatts not to kill megawatts,
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you know, and if we follow down the Trump row
of the Biden row, we've be in a lot of trouble.
But Jack, I got to tell you, if you were
to think of one one thing that absolutely piped out
nuclear energy in the United States, what would you choose.
I'm just curious what would stand out in your mind? Oh,
my god, that that just killed it. What do you
think that would be?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, there are overregulation, absolutely overregulation. We treat nuclear energy
like it's a new and scary technology, not like it's
one that's well known and well understood and has uh
that that that is the safest energy technology literally that
we have. It's over regulation. But there's so much more
than that. I mean the government. Yeah, I spent a
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lot of time talking about what the government should be
doing and what the private sector would be better off doing.
And nuclear is one of those areas where the government
just gets too involved. It gets involved to the regulatory side,
gets involved on picking winners and loser side, you know.
To me, in order to truly achieve a nuclear revolution,
to do something unlike we've ever done before, we need
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to update, modernize our whole approach to nuclear energy. And
if we did that. If we did that, I think
that the United States would completely transform over the next
hundred years how it produces energy, because nuclear makes so
much sense. It's safe, it can be affordable. As you mentioned,
they cut nuclear energy. Isn't just that. Aren't just the
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big energy producers, though they are important. But nuclear energy
comes in all different shapes and sizes, can power whatever
industrial or consumer need that we have. It's really an
amazing thing. We just have to let the technology and
markets to move it forward, not bureaucrats and politicians.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, that's very, very correct. So let me let me
tell you my thought. I'm going to give you my answer,
and my answer is the China Syndrome out of all
the things that occurred, including Three Mile Island, all of
that stuff, because that just into this Oh my god.
They couldn't have had a better timing for their film.
But when I think back to the China Syndrome and
Jack Lemon and Michael Douglas and you know Fonda, Jane
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Fonda and I got you got to play the guy,
you have to listen to the panic that they put
into this film. Phil, let's go with two E. Lucky
to be alive.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I would say you're probably lucky to be alive.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Same for the rest of southern California. I mean, what
happened in the film. If you remember is that you know,
these three folks go out there, actually three folks go
out there. Jack Lemon works there and and they have
a trip of some form. It feels like an earthquake.
But something happens to the nuclear power plant and water
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starts dropping in the in the s proverbial s is
hitting the band and people are panicking and the music
is incredible. It's crescendoing, and they're really panicking people into
oh my god. If the if it's if the new
reactor exposures, if the water disappears, it's the China syndrome,
because academically speaking, it could explode and go down and
down and down and down and melt things and be
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awful and go to gianta. I mean that that was
the idea. And if when you went into the movie
you're like, wow, you know the USS Nautilus. How cool
is that? You know, and you're thinking that this is great,
And so you come out of the movie and you're
getting Holy Christ, I can't stop it. We can't have this.
It can't exist. It's too dangerous, you know. All right,
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just a really quick hit and I'm gonna let you
talk to Jack. I promise, let's go to two Sea
really really quick. Two s still dropping, still dropping. God cook,
he said, you couldn't hear clear? It says God help me.
And so just it goes down from there. And so
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I mean, I really think, if you think about what
really happened, they marketed those who were totally against it
with that film. They marketed it incredibly. Don't you think.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I want to agree with you one hundred percent? So
I'm only going to agree with you fifty percent. And
the reason for that is the regulatory morac had already
been established. The cost of nuclear power had begun increasing
significantly from the mid sixties. From the mid sixties to
the early seventies, we were building them on time and
on budget. By high nineteen seventy two rolls around, he
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starts seeing those prices increase dramatically as the regulatory burden
increased dramatically. So so China syndrome didn't help, But nor
did this this pervasive regulatory state that had begun to
overtake the economics.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, I don't, and I'm fine with that. I'm totally
cool with what you said. I agree with you, and
I think you're right the regulatory situation. I mean it
took in take so long to get anything right now,
I mean it's so bad. Yeah, and I do believe
that there needs to be part of this mix. It's
very important.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Oh ahead, absolutely, And this syndrome was part of what
led to the next huge step up in regulatory burden.
So you had you had reasonable regulation, then you had
this massive increase. Then you had China syndrome and three
Mile Island and this whole cultural imprint that was put on,
this whole cultural narrative that was imprinted on us, and
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then you had another huge step up. And that's where
we are now. And the problem with the way we're
doing nuclear now, so trying to work within that system
and make that system work better, I say, we need
a whole new system. We need to do nuclear energy differently,
and that's how we win.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, you're one hundred percent correct. We cannot go the
old way. So real quick, we have a couple of minutes.
The long game on Trump's energy dominance plans. This is
a brilliant plan. We will thrive dramatically. We will have industry,
we will have jobs, we will have a strong economy.
So you know, in about forty five seconds. What's the
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long game with President and Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The long game is creating the frame work that we
can grow energy over time. None of us should get
too caught up in how much oil is produced one
month versus another month, or an energy price at a
specific point. What we're seeing happening is the death being
cleared so the United States can dominate an energy space
for a long long time, and that will drive our
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industry and jobs and all the stuff that we want,
the prosperity that we want. That energy is required for
the depths are being cleared for all that to happen,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, you're exactly right, jack Listen. Just terrific that you
came on the show today. I really enjoyed this. I'd
like to get you back for a longer segment because
this is a very important topic and I think you'ree
hundred percent correct. We don't have energy. We got nothing,
and going down this road in the right way, we're
going to do a great prosperity. All right, Jackson, thank
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you so much for being on the Maid in America.
We're going to be right back with a lot more
made in America.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Hang in there, promoting American industry. This is made in
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America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Hey, welcome back to Madian in America. Delighted to have
you here, and welcome back to all our affiliates. We
so appreciate them on the phone with us right now.
As an old friend of the show, we've been We've
spoken with Alfredo Ortiz for many years. Alfredo is the
president and CEO of the Job Creators Network. And actually
I met I met Alfredo when it was his organization
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that put the billboards up in Times Square and that was,
you know, going up against AOC when she was doing
all this ridiculousness sort of like I don't know, telling
you know, you know, telling one of the most successful
Amazon companies in the world that they don't want to
be in New York. I mean, I just couldn't even
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believe what was going on. Anyway, We're delighted to have
you here. Alfreda. Welcome to Maide in America. So let's
let's talk about this. I mean, we have an opportunity.
You know, it doesn't it seems like you know, we're
in set a good position right now that your organization,
we're us out there creating jobs. You know, they're in
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the right place. This is like a really good time,
don't you think, Alfredo, It.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Is a great time. It is a great time. And
actually we just got back from the field some incredible
pulling results based on you know, asking a question about
the one big beautiful bill, and I love the numbers
that came in.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, let's hear some of them. That's what I know.
I read about them, I actually know them, but they
are remarkable and it's really accepted. So I think people
need to hear that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, first of all, we're
excited because literally nearly over ninety percent actually ninety one
percent to be exact, of our small businesses that we
pull plan to either raise wages and benefits, expand their
business higher, or reinvest back in their communities. I mean,
so you know a lot of that talk that we
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hear from the last and they're like, oh, they're just
going to you know, these are tax pads for the
millionaires and billionaires. They're going to fly off in their
G fours and stuff like that. I mean, obviously it
shows how out of touch they are because this is
not what small business owners do. Small business owners love
to reinvest back in their business they love to reinvest
back in their people or just overall, you know, in
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their communities exactly the way this says. And so we
know that we saw this on the first time around
with the tax ten jobs back back in twenty seventeen,
and I know we're going to see it again. And
they are ployised and ready to invest back in their
businesses with a lot of the great provisions from the
one big beautiful Bill two in particular Ridge, which is
one hundred percent immediate expensing game changer, appsolute game changer,
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and also the twenty percent deduction making that permanent. And
so those are two huge benefits for small business owners
and they're ready to go. And even in the hospitality industry,
you know, the no taxes on overtime and the no
taxes on tips, almost two thirds of our small business
owners in that industry say that that's going to be
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a huge help for hiring.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, that's that's true. You know. The the remarkable thing
about this, this whole scenario, is that you just hit
something that made me think of my childhood in New York,
and that was the local small shop and and you know,
New York was an amalgamation of all of those and
you could walk the street in one block you have
the butcher. Another block you have the fish guy. Another
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block you've got the fruit guy. You know, another block
you have the dry cleaner. Another block you have the
you know, the Chinese shirt guy. Another block. You know
what I mean, you have you know, Wegman, you have
the big supermarket. And they came in later in life.
But one of the things I remember clearly that I
always liked, and I think this is important for job
creation and why people like this stuff for small business
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is that they actually care to the community. And it's
really important for the community because a they're part of
the community generally speaking, they live there and they know
the people who are their customers, so they really want
to start their company first. It's so audacious of anybody
to go out there and start a business. I know,
I've done it, and it's really scary at times. You know,
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sometimes you get paid and sometimes you don't. And right,
but someone has a dream, you know, in a way,
what you're talking about, Alfredo is the ultimate American dream.
Don't you think someone coming out and saying I'm going
to move here, I'm gonna do this, that's the American dream.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It absolutely is. And you know, Rich, you know what
people seem to forget is that there's a lot of
talk right now and you know, we're obviously we're all
mourning the loss of a of a great guy from
from yesterday, you know, with with with Charlie. But you know,
I will tell you amongst all that rhetoric, what people
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are talking about is, oh, you know there's a big
racial economic divide. Well, the best way to bridge that
racial and economic divide is entrepreneurialism. It's through free enterprise.
That's been proven time and time again, decade after decade
after decade. That is the absolute best way to break
that economic and racial divide. It's not through more government,
it's through more free enterprise. And so the government just
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has to get out of the way, which is, thank god,
it is what Trump is doing right. He has a
wonderful three legged sool strategy with deregulations, cutting taxes and yes,
actually Paris or which to say, kind of Praye rebalancing
through Terrois because it wasn't it wasn't a fair and
you know, freer market abroad, and now we're going to
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be able to bring in more American jobs. For American
workers and so you know, but but all of this
is part of the American dream.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well you're you're right, and and when I you know,
I'm I'm in South Florida. You know, remember my partner
and Neil Askia of South Florida, and in South Florida.
Miami particularly is a complete physical examination of the small
business syndrome and the American dream because people who came here, they,
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you know, what made us such a great community, and
we are a great community. I mean, we've had our
problems in the eighties and so forth, but we really
are a dynamic, thriving community. Is that all these different people,
Alfredo came here with their skills and their way of thinking,
and and and then and generally speaking, they came here
not because uh, they came here to do something evil
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or bad to us. They came here because they truly
are immigrants seeking a better way of life. And in
many cases, I mean, when you see, I lived on
Kibiskain for a while and we received the remnants of
rats in the morning. I came. I literally lived on
my home overlook the beach. And if someone's going to
get on a raft, you got to understand this people
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where someone's going to take the risk to get on
a raft made of tires, and you saw that every
month and go through the Florida Strait, which is the
most inhabited waters of the sharks. You know, it's sort
of like the USS Indianapolis to the max. And they're
gonna say, listen, I don't care, I'm getting out of
this country and I'm going to get a better life. Now.
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That's devotion to where they want to be. That's a
witness test, you know. And so they come here. They
over the you know, now it's many decades since nineteen
fifty nine and sixty, because they started coming here the
first wave was in late fifty nine, and because they
saw the handwriting on the wall. I mean, some of
them knew that Castro was a bad guy. A lot
of people did. Eisenhower was duked. But but the point
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of the matter is, you know, how fraider they came here,
and they and they brought their skills and and small
businesses thrived. You know, it's it really made us an
incredibly vibrant, strong, wonderful community and diverse in the right way.
We didn't have to force it on somebody. It naturally.
You know, it's almost like God directly naturally given to
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us by all these wonderful people. What do you think
about that? I think it's a great, great moment.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
No, it really is, and that's absolutely true. And look,
I mean we we all, we all know what it
feels like not to have small business in our communities
because we all remember COVID. Still, you know what was
shut down was all of our small businesses, right because
I guess they weren't important enough, but they really were
the backboot of our community, right. We all missed our
restaurants or gyms or dry cleaners. I mean the look,
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I mean, the the impact to small of small businesses
to our communities is beyond words. I mean I just
tell people I go, go, you know, over the weekend
to your either you know soccer league, little league or
you know a minor league is of soccer guys. You know,
I'm playing on the fields. And look at those boards,
look at the jerseys. It's not you know, sponsored by
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Ford Motor Company or Chase Manhattan Bank. I mean, it's
it's like the local pizza guy, the drig right. I mean,
these are the people that support our communities, and so
without small business, I have to tell you, this would
be such a sad country.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, yes, you're you're very very correct in that, and
and it's interesting. And I'm looking at the piece here
and that that's in Breitbart, and you're saying there are
a couple of guys that you that the folks at
the job created j C n as j C and
Drug Crazers Network that you've been talking about. One of
whom is Carlos Gazatua. I don't know if you remember
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his name. He's a great guy. I know his family.
I actually know his family. Ralph Gazitua was is a
friend of mine, and he owned the World Trade Center,
and not the World Trade Center, he owned the Miami
Free Zone with my other friend Gary Goldfar and others
down here in the in the community, and they did
it a remarkable job in the community and led the
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way into internationalism and so forth. So all right, so
these these these people are out there, what are they doing?
What is happening with these folks? And I think it's dramatic.
I think you're in a really good place. What are
they doing with the money and the opportunities and the
tax breaks and so forth? Real quick and then we'll
come back on the other side of the break.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, well, really really quickly. I mean Carlos, for example,
is investing in their restaurants. You know Surger's restaurant. They
have two new locations that they're opening, plus manufacturing facility
about one hundred people there. We have another member, for example,
out in Illinois, has a manufacturing facility called HM Manufacturing.
She's investing about six and fifty thousand dollars in new
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equipment and hiring five new workers. I mean, these are
just two examples, right, and these folks were poised to
this investment. I see. But we'll tell you what is
holding people back is one big word. It starts with
C and it's called credit. The credit is hard to
find and it's too expensive, and that's why the Fed
has to drop those interest rates. And we keep pushing
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and we're saying half a point next week, not a
quarter point, half a point. We've got to move the
economy again because they are two thirty new job growth
is in their hands, and that's what we're seeing that
that employment kind of stalling out because they've been waiting
for these rates to actually drop and ask the credit
to ease, but it still hasn't believed it not since COVID.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, it's it's been, it's been awful. And actually this
is exactly what I want to talk about. So when
we come back with Alfredo Ortiz from the Job Creators Network,
We're going to talk about, you know, Trump's plan in
his teriffs, and how the tax policy works, and very importantly,
what are we going to do with the Fed. What's
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going to happen with the Fed coming up really soon?
And Alfredo's right, is it a quarter point? I think
that would be disappointing. Is it fifty basis points? I hope?
So I think we need to reinvigorate that, you know,
the credit market, the cash market, the money markets that
are out there. So when we come back with Made
in America, we are going to be talking about all
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of that and and how you can fit into that
and and maybe get your company going even faster and
bigger than it is. Right now, We're gonna be right back.
Don't go any Okay, welcome back to Maide in America,
(32:32):
where right now talking with Alfredo Ortiz, President and CEO
of the Job Creators Network, and we are talking about
job creation. That's that's what this gentleman talks about. He's
done a remarkable job. And when you think of job
creating in this country, the majority of us in the
business down here, the media business talk about Alfredo. Alfredo.
Let me, let me, let me just set the stage
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and I'm gonna set you free on this. You can
go run with it all you want. But one of
the most important environments in Florida is real estate. I mean,
real estate is prime. It's everything, it's wealth creation, it's everything.
And as a matter of fact, my family was involved
in building homes and communities and you know, golf courses
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and all this other stuff, and that took money. And
I remember what happened back in the seventies when they
were building a major community called Pembroke Lakes on the
west side of Brower County. It was two and a
half square miles Alfred. It was a really big project
and the market went nuts because the interest rates went
to nineteen percent. If you remember during Jimmy Carter. It
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was really bad. And what happened is that we destroyed
the real estate market because the small guys couldn't hang
in there, they couldn't afford they bought the place. They
couldn't afford the investment anymore, so they default in the
money and the I mean the land went back to
you know, like including my family went back to my
family and others because they couldn't afford to handle it.
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Now we're in a position and it bothers me. People
are having trouble getting mortgages. Right, I mean, that's I
believe I'm writing in that. That's a big deal because
one of the most important job creators in this country
is everything that goes into building a home that creates
the multiple is unbelievable. Can you talk about that? So
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people understand why the FED has to do the right
thing and we've got to jump start what's happening in
construction and real estate and other things to expand business.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, well absolutely, well, you know, trying to break down
some very nerdy stuff here. But bottom line, the set
has two mandates, right, watching employment and watching basically what
I will call basic of economic growth. Right and so,
but the employment numbers, I'm sure you heard, just got
bratcheted down by almost a million jobs over the past year. Basically,
(34:51):
so most of the Biden administration jobs they said he
created really didn't exist. It was a million down, right.
So the fact that's saying, well, you know everything, you know,
there no reason going to drop the rates because employments
looking great, well it's not looking great and a can
I've told you that because small business owners can access
the credit, right like I said, or if they can,
and they're paying too much for it. And so you know,
(35:12):
the thing that the said now needs to do is
to really drop these rates because once we start dropping
these races, it starts freeing up markets, like you said,
the mortgage market for example. Right, we need to get
those rates down. We are right now still at about
two points ahead of the rest of the world in
terms of where we are on our interest rates, so
there's plenty of room to drop those down. Inflation is
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basically not there, you know. Unfortunately the Dems played up
this whole tear thing and you know it's going to
be the end of the world and tears are going
to be you know, the death of us and inflation
it didn't exist, right, it didn't. It doesn't ever have
this never didn't. It didn't happen, right, it didn't happen.
And so what's happening is the job market has often
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are small business owners have stopped hiring because they can't
afford it right now because they can't access that credit.
Credit is so necessary to make everything flow, and that
is why we need to make this credit cheaper for them.
And that will also drop when it When it that
drops those rates, it will drop those mortgage rates down
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right out. People are stuck, right because a lot of
these people had these great mortgage rates of three percent
three to a half percent, right, and so now they
can't get out of those because if they get into
another home, as they sell value in another home, their
rate is six seven percent, right, double what they were paying.
And so they basically can move to to you know,
if they were to move to the exact same size house,
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it probably can retain double what they did because of
the doubling of the rate. And so we've got to
drop those rates. And I think once you see those rates,
it starts kind of getting people feel a little bit
better about buying and the sellers about selling, and it
will get things unstuck, because right now kind of stuck.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, I agree with that, and and what people have
to understand, and you're one hundred percent correct if you're
sitting at three point two interest rate that you've had
for a number of years. You know, there is no
way you're switching for a six plus percent mortgage rate,
you know, going out another thirty years. You're just not
going to do it. And so that's not going to happen.
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So even those who have primary homes and want to
get a secondary home for investment purposes, that's not going
to happen right now for most Americans because it's just
too bloody expensive. So they're not going to do it.
But you know what, Alfreddy, You're so right. And it's
not just real estate. You know, if you think about
what you do when you have a company's let's just
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you know, I'm really big on internationalism and I understand
it really well. All my pro bona work has been
in the international markets for like thirty seven thirty eight years,
and everything that you need to become an international or
globalist or export import or two way trade, all this
other stuff that's really important and I think we want
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and we excel at it. Uh And and by the way,
you know, two way trade and development of trade and
countries over receipt separate thing, it's very important. I've seen
it in Latin America. It really makes dictatorships a relative.
Nobody wants to go back to anyone with a dictatorship
that they're having a really good economy and there and
they have a good life for their family. But the
point is, you cannot buy product without credit. Yeah, I mean,
(38:27):
you just it's just it is. You have credit to
do to do work overseas. You don't have that. You
got nothing not gonna happen. You cannot be seamless. Everything's digital,
nothing is done in my paper anymore. You need a
credit line, and you've got to be able to have
the access to those funds to facilitate whether it's logistically speaking,
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shipping or it's getting your products. So are you seeing that, Alfredo?
When you go to other you know, smaller businesses or
small to mid sized businesses that you know really want
to be involved in the Internet, they just can't get
the funds to buy the product, to expand their base,
to go into other countries. You think you see any
of that?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, and that's that's
what I'm saying. Because rates are just as high as
they are. I mean, everything, everything is kind of basically
stuck right now. That is my Our primary focus, by
the way, is getting these right down, and we keep
we keep, you know, kind of counting this point because
it's impacting every aspect of our lives right both, you know,
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from your mortgages to your credit cards, your auto loans,
to the business loans and again the acts of the credit.
First of all, remember when a couple of those big
banks goes down, things really tighten up, and just really
haven't loosened up since then. And so yeah, I mean,
these small business owners need a break. And you know,
(39:52):
the one big, beautiful bill is a huge, huge break.
Those two text provisions that I mentioned already earlier are
huge h But to get them to take advantage of those,
they have to be able to access credit, and they
have to be able to access credit affordably.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Exactly. Well, listen, you know we're up against the wall
right now, in a hard break. So I want to
you know, I just can't thank you enough. Alfredo Ortis
president's CEO of the Job Creators Network. We're delighted you're here.
We love having it comeback.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Thank you so much. I always love being here. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Take care, Okay. One of the things that you know,
we always learn something you know, you have to learn.
When you stop learning, you're dead. So you always have
to learn. So I hope today when we were talking
about energy, I want to get back to energy for
a second. And that affects Alfredo by the way, because
the more energy you have, the more manufacturing you have.
(40:46):
Them more manufacturing you have them where jobs are going
to need we have we have. We're in the situation
right now where if we get our act together, and
I really hope the Feds do the right thing coming
up soon, they really need to lower the rate, and
they need to seriously load the rate. It's got to
say into strong signal, because that is going to you're
going to create a golden environment for this country for
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things to be made, made, made in America, which is
what we're all about. This is what we want. I
don't want to have made in the Ukraine. I want
to have made in America. I want American people. I
want all of us and that includes legal immigrants that
are here that they have an opportunity to do really well.
And because that's what America is all about. So when
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I when I was we were listening to Jack Spencer
earlier today and we're talking about you know, creating energy.
We are sitting on the opportunity right now for all
sorts of good things. And by the way, by the way,
that includes EV vehicles and batteries that can be made
right here in the United States. And what did Trump do?
(41:52):
President Trump do and just remarkable is that he's allowing
us to dig for to get the rare earth minerals.
By the way, Alaska has tons of them. I think
they discovered more in the Midwest and in the West.
It's just trillions of dollars worth of that, you know,
sitting there waiting to be used if in fact we
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want to go that route. I'm not a big EV guy.
I have to be honest with you, if you've listened
to me for the last ten fifteen years, I'm not
big into EV cars. I just don't think they're there yet.
But you know, but I think, you know, we have
an opportunity for some economies to come online. So we're
in a good place. We've got some good people here,
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guys like Alfredo Ortiz out there, you know, watching our
back and helping people create jobs. We've got a president
that's very pro what we're doing. We've got a vice
president that's out there doing the right thing. We have,
you know, the DOJ's doing the right thing. We're doing
what we need to do if we could just be
allowed to do it. And that's going to include, by
(42:57):
the way, nuclear energy, because we're going to have to
have nuclear energy because let me tell you something. The
AI that you're hearing about. And I know a lot
of us are confused and saying, oh my god, what
is AI? And do we really need people anymore? I
don't know. According to Rod Serling, we don't because in
some of the stories that I saw with Rod Serling
that the probots are doing better than we were. Same
(43:18):
thing with Isaac Asimov. You know, he told us and
he warned us. So we're going to see where we go.
AI is going to lead the way. Energy is going
to be needed for AI and the future progression of
building things. And guess what, it's all going to be
made right here in America, made in America. That's what
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we're all about. We'll see you next week. Take care,
God bless Bye bye,
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, welcome to Me in America. Another version of it today,
this week another adventure, and we're excited to have you
with us today. Thank you for joining us. You know,
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And I so appreciate every one of you listening and
(00:38):
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to be with you today. You know, again, it never fails.
It is just amazing news days. And of course the
news that we heard yesterday and I just can't ignore it,
I can't, is Charlie Kirk's assassination. And it's one of
(01:01):
the saddest things. I Mean, when I found out that
he passed away, I was coming out of a meeting.
I just absolutely shrieked. I was so upset for Charlie
and his family. It's just just awful. It's just terrible. Uh,
you pay an ultimate price for having an opinion, for
doing something that's actually making America better, making America great again.
(01:25):
But you you should have Nobody nobody has the right
to take that from you. Nobody, you know what was
that also added to that? You know, I may not
agree with you, but I'll fight to the death for
the right for you to say that, which makes me upset.
But nothing, Charlie really made me up set made me upset.
But it does make me upset that we don't seem
to be learning for something. You know, I just find
(01:48):
it amazing that uh, you know we uh, it's like
deja bou we we. It's almost identical to what happened
in Bilton, Pennsylvania. Anybody see that out there? If you
look at it, you look for the and you go online,
you look for the shooter on the roof in Utah shooting,
and you're going to find, you know, four or five, six,
seven different videos basically the same thing. But it looks
(02:11):
it could have been played in Butler and it's talking
to guys or videotaping. They're on their phone rather than
that videotaping. God, I'm showing my age. They're they're they're
they're recording what they see on the roof prior to
the assassination, and and there's a guy on the roof
and he's laying in a prone position, facing towards where
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you know, Charlie was gonna be, and they're talking about it,
and they're saying, you know, look at that. God, I wonder,
I mean, this is like blows me away. I wonder
what that is. I wonder what that is? What do
you mean you wonder what that is? You have something
on a roof facing in the direction of a guy
who's about to speak, who's conservative, who did tremendous work,
(02:55):
you know, getting helping the president become the president in
the last election, delivering the youth vote for him. Remarkable work.
Great guy, young man, thirty one years of age, two
kids and a beautiful wife. And they look at this thing,
this person is something they're not sure what it is
on the roof, and they're wondering, what the hell is it? Well,
(03:18):
why do you even have the second guess what the
hell is it? What it is? When in fact, if
you think there's something up there and there's a huge
event about to take place, why don't you scream? Why
don't you shout, why don't you do something instead of nothing?
And here we go again. We have a situation that
(03:38):
just like we had in Butler that you know, people
were there, they saw somebody on the roof, they pointed
it out to people. Everybody was pointing out this guy
in the roof and Butler that didn't do a damn thing.
The guy shoots the president. Amazing, just amazing, you know,
and they had security there. So that really scares the
hell out of me. But in this case in Orum,
(03:59):
by the way, I know Orm well. I used to
go to Sundance, the Sundance Resort, which is just up
from Orm. It's literally up because it's seven two hundred
feet up from Orm. It could be one hundred degrees
in Oram in the summer. You go up the mountain
the sun Dance as to Robert Redford's home by the way,
and it's a magnificent resort and you go up there
and it could be seventy five degrees. It's just unbelievable.
(04:22):
It's a beautiful area. But this is just horrific. But
what makes it more horrific for me is that nobody
did anything. I'll give you another one here's another one
that really upsets me that we saw in this last
week or two, and that's this poor Ukrainian girl who
comes here because things are so screwed up in her country.
She comes over here. She's sitting on a train, a
(04:43):
light rail chain train, going somewhere at night, not even
thinking that something can happen to her because she left
the dangerous place and she came to the safe place.
But we're not so safe. So what happens to her?
And I can relate to this, I'm going to give
you an analogy what happens to her. This is what
happened to Kitty Jeneviez in Queens, New York, in nineteen
(05:04):
sixty two in the winter time. And this was the
start of the downfall of Manhattan in New York City
when I was a kid in the sixties. Kitty Jenevieve
was coming home to her apartment in the Queens and
somebody came up to her and stabbed her once or twice.
She screams hysterically for help, and they run and the
attacker runs away, goes away, at least he disappears for
(05:26):
a while. A bunch of people are looking out their
windows and they're wondering, what is that noise? Someone screaming,
My god, what should we do? I don't know. We
shouldn't get involved. The attacker listened to this. The attacker
comes back for a second time. He stabs her again
a couple of times, and she shouts and screams and help.
(05:49):
The people come to the window and they say, well,
we didn't want to get involved. They don't get involved.
Nothing happens, she's bleeding, nothing happens. He comes back for
a third time, he finishes off, stabs her again. Thirty
three people, According to the New York Post and the
Daily News, thirty three people watched what was going on.
Not one person did anything. And that is when the
(06:10):
word apathy became synonymous with New York City. And it
was the start of a downfall in New York until
you know, Giuliani came along. It was awful, It was terrible.
I got mugged twice, once on the subway. How interesting.
The second was in front of my own house with
a doorman watching, and no one seemed to do anything.
(06:30):
Nobody would help. So do we ever learn? So what
happened on the light rail that this young lady was
on she's sitting there, she stabbed. There were two people
right opposite her, and you know what they were doing.
They were towering. They didn't want to get involved, you
know what I mean, sort of like you know, deju
vous Queen's New York nineteen sixty two. We didn't want
(06:53):
to get around, you know, we didn't want to get involved.
After all, we might get hurt. She's gonna die, but
we might get hurt. So our sense of morality and
our love and belief in our fellow man or woman
in this case, that goes out the window, because after all,
I don't want to get involved. I don't want to
get hurt. And there's a pattern there, that pattern as
(07:16):
it was established in New York in nineteen sixty two
with Kitty Jenevie's. I'm telling everybody out there, you look
that up. Kitty Jeneviez nineteen sixty two. Queens of New
York stabbing. We didn't want to get involved, and the
big word is apathy. And New York went to hell
after that, right down the tubes. So what am I saying.
(07:38):
I'm saying that we better get her act together, This
country better get its act together, because our sense of
morality and what we're doing. Our faith and belief in
our fellow man and woman is what really bothers the
hell out of me. That's all I'm going to say
about it. It just I saw that and I just said,
oh my god, I lived through that, and it's awful.
It's awful. Okay. Now said that, we have a heck
(08:01):
of a show few and I'm really excited. We're gonna be
talking about energy with Jack Spencer and Jack is with
a Heritage Foundation. We're gonna have a great conversation and
we're really excited. One of our best friends, Alfredo Ortiz
from the Job Creators Network. Lfredo's got He's got all
sorts of good things happening right now, especially with Trump
and office. Don't go anywhere, lots of things to learn.
You're gonna want to listen to this. We'll be right back. Okay,
(08:35):
Welcome back to Maidian in America. We're delighted to have
a good friend of the show. Jack Spencer's a Scenior
Research Fellow for Energy and Environmental Policy at the Heritage Foundation.
We're delighted. Jack. Welcome to maid in America. We're overjoyed
you're here today.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Glad to be here.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, great, So you're in the right place at the
right time. I mean, you know, we we were on
the right track in Trump two point one point zero
and we were moving the right direction. And then he
had a lot of infringements coming along that gave him
a hard time, and suits and suits and suits and
suits and how to depend and you know, do what
he had to do. He comes back two point zero
and this present is just rocking this country right now.
(09:14):
And one of the areas that's so important is energy,
you know, Jack, you know, energies. If we don't have energy,
abundant energy constantly there, you know, assured that it's going
to be there at the right price, at the right time,
then we can't be a manufacturing base. We can't grow
a country can with this is really important.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
We won't be economically prosperous at all, regardless of what
the base of our economy is. One thing we know
for sure, any country that's prosperous has access to abundant,
affordable energy. And you know, the great thing about the
United States is we have so much of it, and
all we need is from the government to get out
of the way and we'll produce it. And what has
happened too often is the government gets in the way.
(09:54):
And what Trump's doing is is just clear clearing, the
clearing the paths so America's energy producers can go out
and do what they do best, which is produce energy.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Well, yeah, I mean, it just seems to me that
we were going in the right direction and we have
such a no, we're such a blessed country. You know,
people want so much around the world that when we
have and we take for granted. I mean, first of all,
you know, the fossil fuel scenario and we're talking about
coal and oil and natural gas and things like that,
(10:25):
it got a bad rap and under with Biden. In reality,
you know, We've hosted a lot of shows about energy.
I've hosted a lot of panels about energy in clean
cold technology and all the things that we can do
to be abundant because to me and nuclear and I
want to get to nuclear just a second, it's really
important to me. It seems like, you know, we're sitting
(10:48):
on the most amazing period of America's future. You know,
it reminds me of the late eighteen hundred with the
robber barons and we were growing in the Industrial Revolution
and all these great you know, companies came to be
and inventions came to be, and we were just an
energized country. We were on the make, and we just
led the world and everything that needed to be led.
So where we are right now, you know, there are
(11:11):
a couple of pieces that are out. We're talking about
freeing America's nuclear fuel energy. Trump's executive orders are the
first step in a nuclear revolution. And why cutting the
Department of Energy's budget it's a good thing. We're going
to get into some of that. One of the things
that if you were to rank prioritize, Jack, we know
where we need to go with this with the Trump administration.
So what are the first steps that we need to
(11:32):
do and we're taking right now. This is really important
for manufacturing and growing jobs in this country.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Go ahead, Jack, Yeah, Well, first thing is get rid
of the old green policies. They were really the green policies.
The so called green policies really were economic control policies.
Move them to the side. We started doing that, and
then we have to to get rid of the burdensome
permitting process. That doesn't mean to have no regulation, it
(11:57):
doesn't mean to let our water and air get polluted,
but it means have regulation that actually does something but
doesn't get in the way of progress. Those are two
big things. And then free resources up to be developed.
And as long as you do those three things, industry,
the American American families and businesses will take care of
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the rest.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, I agree. Now I want to get to a topic.
That's that you know, was very heated in the seventies
and and then we had a couple of experiences with
nuclear and scared of the hell out of everybody, and
then uh, and then Europe seems to embrace nuclear energy.
France certainly did, and it seems like the entire concept
of nuclear energy and we're going to get into that
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in two seconds, has changed. And the type of nuclear
reactors that are out there now are much smaller. They're
almost like in quotation in italics, regional nuclear reactors. You know,
they're smaller than they were years ago. They're probably very efficient.
And I think if we're going to really do something
to move forward, and we need megawatts not to kill megawatts,
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you know, and if we follow down the Trump row
of the Biden row, we've be in a lot of trouble.
But Jack, I got to tell you, if you were
to think of one one thing that absolutely piped out
nuclear energy in the United States, what would you choose.
I'm just curious what would stand out in your mind? Oh,
my god, that that just killed it. What do you
think that would be?
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Well, there are overregulation, absolutely overregulation. We treat nuclear energy
like it's a new and scary technology, not like it's
one that's well known and well understood and has uh
that that that is the safest energy technology literally that
we have. It's over regulation. But there's so much more
than that. I mean the government. Yeah, I spent a
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lot of time talking about what the government should be
doing and what the private sector would be better off doing.
And nuclear is one of those areas where the government
just gets too involved. It gets involved to the regulatory side,
gets involved on picking winners and loser side, you know.
To me, in order to truly achieve a nuclear revolution,
to do something unlike we've ever done before, we need
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to update, modernize our whole approach to nuclear energy. And
if we did that. If we did that, I think
that the United States would completely transform over the next
hundred years how it produces energy, because nuclear makes so
much sense. It's safe, it can be affordable. As you mentioned,
they cut nuclear energy. Isn't just that. Aren't just the
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big energy producers, though they are important. But nuclear energy
comes in all different shapes and sizes, can power whatever
industrial or consumer need that we have. It's really an
amazing thing. We just have to let the technology and
markets to move it forward, not bureaucrats and politicians.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, that's very, very correct. So let me let me
tell you my thought. I'm going to give you my answer,
and my answer is the China Syndrome out of all
the things that occurred, including Three Mile Island, all of
that stuff, because that just into this Oh my god.
They couldn't have had a better timing for their film.
But when I think back to the China Syndrome and
Jack Lemon and Michael Douglas and you know Fonda, Jane
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Fonda and I got you got to play the guy,
you have to listen to the panic that they put
into this film. Phil, let's go with two E. Lucky
to be alive.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
I would say you're probably lucky to be alive.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Same for the rest of southern California. I mean, what
happened in the film. If you remember is that you know,
these three folks go out there, actually three folks go
out there. Jack Lemon works there and and they have
a trip of some form. It feels like an earthquake.
But something happens to the nuclear power plant and water
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starts dropping in the in the s proverbial s is
hitting the band and people are panicking and the music
is incredible. It's crescendoing, and they're really panicking people into
oh my god. If the if it's if the new
reactor exposures, if the water disappears, it's the China syndrome,
because academically speaking, it could explode and go down and
down and down and down and melt things and be
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awful and go to gianta. I mean that that was
the idea. And if when you went into the movie
you're like, wow, you know the USS Nautilus. How cool
is that? You know, and you're thinking that this is great,
And so you come out of the movie and you're
getting Holy Christ, I can't stop it. We can't have this.
It can't exist. It's too dangerous, you know. All right,
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just a really quick hit and I'm gonna let you
talk to Jack. I promise, let's go to two Sea
really really quick. Two s still dropping, still dropping. God cook,
he said, you couldn't hear clear? It says God help me.
And so just it goes down from there. And so
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I mean, I really think, if you think about what
really happened, they marketed those who were totally against it
with that film. They marketed it incredibly. Don't you think.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
I want to agree with you one hundred percent? So
I'm only going to agree with you fifty percent. And
the reason for that is the regulatory morac had already
been established. The cost of nuclear power had begun increasing
significantly from the mid sixties. From the mid sixties to
the early seventies, we were building them on time and
on budget. By high nineteen seventy two rolls around, he
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starts seeing those prices increase dramatically as the regulatory burden
increased dramatically. So so China syndrome didn't help, But nor
did this this pervasive regulatory state that had begun to
overtake the economics.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
No, I don't, and I'm fine with that. I'm totally
cool with what you said. I agree with you, and
I think you're right the regulatory situation. I mean it
took in take so long to get anything right now,
I mean it's so bad. Yeah, and I do believe
that there needs to be part of this mix. It's
very important.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Oh ahead, absolutely, And this syndrome was part of what
led to the next huge step up in regulatory burden.
So you had you had reasonable regulation, then you had
this massive increase. Then you had China syndrome and three
Mile Island and this whole cultural imprint that was put on,
this whole cultural narrative that was imprinted on us, and
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then you had another huge step up. And that's where
we are now. And the problem with the way we're
doing nuclear now, so trying to work within that system
and make that system work better, I say, we need
a whole new system. We need to do nuclear energy differently,
and that's how we win.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah, you're one hundred percent correct. We cannot go the
old way. So real quick, we have a couple of minutes.
The long game on Trump's energy dominance plans. This is
a brilliant plan. We will thrive dramatically. We will have industry,
we will have jobs, we will have a strong economy.
So you know, in about forty five seconds. What's the
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long game with President and Trump.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The long game is creating the frame work that we
can grow energy over time. None of us should get
too caught up in how much oil is produced one
month versus another month, or an energy price at a
specific point. What we're seeing happening is the death being
cleared so the United States can dominate an energy space
for a long long time, and that will drive our
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industry and jobs and all the stuff that we want,
the prosperity that we want. That energy is required for
the depths are being cleared for all that to happen,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Yeah, you're exactly right, jack Listen. Just terrific that you
came on the show today. I really enjoyed this. I'd
like to get you back for a longer segment because
this is a very important topic and I think you'ree
hundred percent correct. We don't have energy. We got nothing,
and going down this road in the right way, we're
going to do a great prosperity. All right, Jackson, thank
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you so much for being on the Maid in America.
We're going to be right back with a lot more
made in America.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Hang in there, promoting American industry. This is made in
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America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Hey, welcome back to Madian in America. Delighted to have
you here, and welcome back to all our affiliates. We
so appreciate them on the phone with us right now.
As an old friend of the show, we've been We've
spoken with Alfredo Ortiz for many years. Alfredo is the
president and CEO of the Job Creators Network. And actually
I met I met Alfredo when it was his organization
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that put the billboards up in Times Square and that was,
you know, going up against AOC when she was doing
all this ridiculousness sort of like I don't know, telling
you know, you know, telling one of the most successful
Amazon companies in the world that they don't want to
be in New York. I mean, I just couldn't even
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believe what was going on. Anyway, We're delighted to have
you here. Alfreda. Welcome to Maide in America. So let's
let's talk about this. I mean, we have an opportunity.
You know, it doesn't it seems like you know, we're
in set a good position right now that your organization,
we're us out there creating jobs. You know, they're in
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the right place. This is like a really good time,
don't you think, Alfredo, It.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Is a great time. It is a great time. And
actually we just got back from the field some incredible
pulling results based on you know, asking a question about
the one big beautiful bill, and I love the numbers
that came in.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, let's hear some of them. That's what I know.
I read about them, I actually know them, but they
are remarkable and it's really accepted. So I think people
need to hear that.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, first of all, we're
excited because literally nearly over ninety percent actually ninety one
percent to be exact, of our small businesses that we
pull plan to either raise wages and benefits, expand their
business higher, or reinvest back in their communities. I mean,
so you know a lot of that talk that we
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hear from the last and they're like, oh, they're just
going to you know, these are tax pads for the
millionaires and billionaires. They're going to fly off in their
G fours and stuff like that. I mean, obviously it
shows how out of touch they are because this is
not what small business owners do. Small business owners love
to reinvest back in their business they love to reinvest
back in their people or just overall, you know, in
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their communities exactly the way this says. And so we
know that we saw this on the first time around
with the tax ten jobs back back in twenty seventeen,
and I know we're going to see it again. And
they are ployised and ready to invest back in their
businesses with a lot of the great provisions from the
one big beautiful Bill two in particular Ridge, which is
one hundred percent immediate expensing game changer, appsolute game changer,
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and also the twenty percent deduction making that permanent. And
so those are two huge benefits for small business owners
and they're ready to go. And even in the hospitality industry,
you know, the no taxes on overtime and the no
taxes on tips, almost two thirds of our small business
owners in that industry say that that's going to be
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a huge help for hiring.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, that's that's true. You know. The the remarkable thing
about this, this whole scenario, is that you just hit
something that made me think of my childhood in New York,
and that was the local small shop and and you know,
New York was an amalgamation of all of those and
you could walk the street in one block you have
the butcher. Another block you have the fish guy. Another
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block you've got the fruit guy. You know, another block
you have the dry cleaner. Another block you have the
you know, the Chinese shirt guy. Another block. You know
what I mean, you have you know, Wegman, you have
the big supermarket. And they came in later in life.
But one of the things I remember clearly that I
always liked, and I think this is important for job
creation and why people like this stuff for small business
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is that they actually care to the community. And it's
really important for the community because a they're part of
the community generally speaking, they live there and they know
the people who are their customers, so they really want
to start their company first. It's so audacious of anybody
to go out there and start a business. I know,
I've done it, and it's really scary at times. You know,
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sometimes you get paid and sometimes you don't. And right,
but someone has a dream, you know, in a way,
what you're talking about, Alfredo is the ultimate American dream.
Don't you think someone coming out and saying I'm going
to move here, I'm gonna do this, that's the American dream.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It absolutely is. And you know, Rich, you know what
people seem to forget is that there's a lot of
talk right now and you know, we're obviously we're all
mourning the loss of a of a great guy from
from yesterday, you know, with with with Charlie. But you know,
I will tell you amongst all that rhetoric, what people
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are talking about is, oh, you know there's a big
racial economic divide. Well, the best way to bridge that
racial and economic divide is entrepreneurialism. It's through free enterprise.
That's been proven time and time again, decade after decade
after decade. That is the absolute best way to break
that economic and racial divide. It's not through more government,
it's through more free enterprise. And so the government just
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has to get out of the way, which is, thank god,
it is what Trump is doing right. He has a
wonderful three legged sool strategy with deregulations, cutting taxes and yes,
actually Paris or which to say, kind of Praye rebalancing
through Terrois because it wasn't it wasn't a fair and
you know, freer market abroad, and now we're going to
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be able to bring in more American jobs. For American
workers and so you know, but but all of this
is part of the American dream.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Well you're you're right, and and when I you know,
I'm I'm in South Florida. You know, remember my partner
and Neil Askia of South Florida, and in South Florida.
Miami particularly is a complete physical examination of the small
business syndrome and the American dream because people who came here, they,
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you know, what made us such a great community, and
we are a great community. I mean, we've had our
problems in the eighties and so forth, but we really
are a dynamic, thriving community. Is that all these different people,
Alfredo came here with their skills and their way of thinking,
and and and then and generally speaking, they came here
not because uh, they came here to do something evil
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or bad to us. They came here because they truly
are immigrants seeking a better way of life. And in
many cases, I mean, when you see, I lived on
Kibiskain for a while and we received the remnants of
rats in the morning. I came. I literally lived on
my home overlook the beach. And if someone's going to
get on a raft, you got to understand this people
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where someone's going to take the risk to get on
a raft made of tires, and you saw that every
month and go through the Florida Strait, which is the
most inhabited waters of the sharks. You know, it's sort
of like the USS Indianapolis to the max. And they're
gonna say, listen, I don't care, I'm getting out of
this country and I'm going to get a better life. Now.
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That's devotion to where they want to be. That's a
witness test, you know. And so they come here. They
over the you know, now it's many decades since nineteen
fifty nine and sixty, because they started coming here the
first wave was in late fifty nine, and because they
saw the handwriting on the wall. I mean, some of
them knew that Castro was a bad guy. A lot
of people did. Eisenhower was duked. But but the point
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of the matter is, you know, how fraider they came here,
and they and they brought their skills and and small
businesses thrived. You know, it's it really made us an
incredibly vibrant, strong, wonderful community and diverse in the right way.
We didn't have to force it on somebody. It naturally.
You know, it's almost like God directly naturally given to
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us by all these wonderful people. What do you think
about that? I think it's a great, great moment.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
No, it really is, and that's absolutely true. And look,
I mean we we all, we all know what it
feels like not to have small business in our communities
because we all remember COVID. Still, you know what was
shut down was all of our small businesses, right because
I guess they weren't important enough, but they really were
the backboot of our community, right. We all missed our
restaurants or gyms or dry cleaners. I mean the look,
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I mean, the the impact to small of small businesses
to our communities is beyond words. I mean I just
tell people I go, go, you know, over the weekend
to your either you know soccer league, little league or
you know a minor league is of soccer guys. You know,
I'm playing on the fields. And look at those boards,
look at the jerseys. It's not you know, sponsored by
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Ford Motor Company or Chase Manhattan Bank. I mean, it's
it's like the local pizza guy, the drig right. I mean,
these are the people that support our communities, and so
without small business, I have to tell you, this would
be such a sad country.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well, yes, you're you're very very correct in that, and
and it's interesting. And I'm looking at the piece here
and that that's in Breitbart, and you're saying there are
a couple of guys that you that the folks at
the job created j C n as j C and
Drug Crazers Network that you've been talking about. One of
whom is Carlos Gazatua. I don't know if you remember
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his name. He's a great guy. I know his family.
I actually know his family. Ralph Gazitua was is a
friend of mine, and he owned the World Trade Center,
and not the World Trade Center, he owned the Miami
Free Zone with my other friend Gary Goldfar and others
down here in the in the community, and they did
it a remarkable job in the community and led the
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way into internationalism and so forth. So all right, so
these these these people are out there, what are they doing?
What is happening with these folks? And I think it's dramatic.
I think you're in a really good place. What are
they doing with the money and the opportunities and the
tax breaks and so forth? Real quick and then we'll
come back on the other side of the break.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, well, really really quickly. I mean Carlos, for example,
is investing in their restaurants. You know Surger's restaurant. They
have two new locations that they're opening, plus manufacturing facility
about one hundred people there. We have another member, for example,
out in Illinois, has a manufacturing facility called HM Manufacturing.
She's investing about six and fifty thousand dollars in new
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equipment and hiring five new workers. I mean, these are
just two examples, right, and these folks were poised to
this investment. I see. But we'll tell you what is
holding people back is one big word. It starts with
C and it's called credit. The credit is hard to
find and it's too expensive, and that's why the Fed
has to drop those interest rates. And we keep pushing
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and we're saying half a point next week, not a
quarter point, half a point. We've got to move the
economy again because they are two thirty new job growth
is in their hands, and that's what we're seeing that
that employment kind of stalling out because they've been waiting
for these rates to actually drop and ask the credit
to ease, but it still hasn't believed it not since COVID.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
No, it's it's been, it's been awful. And actually this
is exactly what I want to talk about. So when
we come back with Alfredo Ortiz from the Job Creators Network,
We're going to talk about, you know, Trump's plan in
his teriffs, and how the tax policy works, and very importantly,
what are we going to do with the Fed. What's
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going to happen with the Fed coming up really soon?
And Alfredo's right, is it a quarter point? I think
that would be disappointing. Is it fifty basis points? I hope?
So I think we need to reinvigorate that, you know,
the credit market, the cash market, the money markets that
are out there. So when we come back with Made
in America, we are going to be talking about all
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of that and and how you can fit into that
and and maybe get your company going even faster and
bigger than it is. Right now, We're gonna be right back.
Don't go any Okay, welcome back to Maide in America,
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where right now talking with Alfredo Ortiz, President and CEO
of the Job Creators Network, and we are talking about
job creation. That's that's what this gentleman talks about. He's
done a remarkable job. And when you think of job
creating in this country, the majority of us in the
business down here, the media business talk about Alfredo. Alfredo.
Let me, let me, let me just set the stage
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and I'm gonna set you free on this. You can
go run with it all you want. But one of
the most important environments in Florida is real estate. I mean,
real estate is prime. It's everything, it's wealth creation, it's everything.
And as a matter of fact, my family was involved
in building homes and communities and you know, golf courses
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and all this other stuff, and that took money. And
I remember what happened back in the seventies when they
were building a major community called Pembroke Lakes on the
west side of Brower County. It was two and a
half square miles Alfred. It was a really big project
and the market went nuts because the interest rates went
to nineteen percent. If you remember during Jimmy Carter. It
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was really bad. And what happened is that we destroyed
the real estate market because the small guys couldn't hang
in there, they couldn't afford they bought the place. They
couldn't afford the investment anymore, so they default in the
money and the I mean the land went back to
you know, like including my family went back to my
family and others because they couldn't afford to handle it.
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Now we're in a position and it bothers me. People
are having trouble getting mortgages. Right, I mean, that's I
believe I'm writing in that. That's a big deal because
one of the most important job creators in this country
is everything that goes into building a home that creates
the multiple is unbelievable. Can you talk about that? So
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people understand why the FED has to do the right
thing and we've got to jump start what's happening in
construction and real estate and other things to expand business.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, well absolutely, well, you know, trying to break down
some very nerdy stuff here. But bottom line, the set
has two mandates, right, watching employment and watching basically what
I will call basic of economic growth. Right and so,
but the employment numbers, I'm sure you heard, just got
bratcheted down by almost a million jobs over the past year. Basically,
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so most of the Biden administration jobs they said he
created really didn't exist. It was a million down, right.
So the fact that's saying, well, you know everything, you know,
there no reason going to drop the rates because employments
looking great, well it's not looking great and a can
I've told you that because small business owners can access
the credit, right like I said, or if they can,
and they're paying too much for it. And so you know,
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the thing that the said now needs to do is
to really drop these rates because once we start dropping
these races, it starts freeing up markets, like you said,
the mortgage market for example. Right, we need to get
those rates down. We are right now still at about
two points ahead of the rest of the world in
terms of where we are on our interest rates, so
there's plenty of room to drop those down. Inflation is
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basically not there, you know. Unfortunately the Dems played up
this whole tear thing and you know it's going to
be the end of the world and tears are going
to be you know, the death of us and inflation
it didn't exist, right, it didn't. It doesn't ever have
this never didn't. It didn't happen, right, it didn't happen.
And so what's happening is the job market has often
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are small business owners have stopped hiring because they can't
afford it right now because they can't access that credit.
Credit is so necessary to make everything flow, and that
is why we need to make this credit cheaper for them.
And that will also drop when it When it that
drops those rates, it will drop those mortgage rates down
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right out. People are stuck, right because a lot of
these people had these great mortgage rates of three percent
three to a half percent, right, and so now they
can't get out of those because if they get into
another home, as they sell value in another home, their
rate is six seven percent, right, double what they were paying.
And so they basically can move to to you know,
if they were to move to the exact same size house,
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it probably can retain double what they did because of
the doubling of the rate. And so we've got to
drop those rates. And I think once you see those rates,
it starts kind of getting people feel a little bit
better about buying and the sellers about selling, and it
will get things unstuck, because right now kind of stuck.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, I agree with that, and and what people have
to understand, and you're one hundred percent correct if you're
sitting at three point two interest rate that you've had
for a number of years. You know, there is no
way you're switching for a six plus percent mortgage rate,
you know, going out another thirty years. You're just not
going to do it. And so that's not going to happen.
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So even those who have primary homes and want to
get a secondary home for investment purposes, that's not going
to happen right now for most Americans because it's just
too bloody expensive. So they're not going to do it.
But you know what, Alfreddy, You're so right. And it's
not just real estate. You know, if you think about
what you do when you have a company's let's just
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you know, I'm really big on internationalism and I understand
it really well. All my pro bona work has been
in the international markets for like thirty seven thirty eight years,
and everything that you need to become an international or
globalist or export import or two way trade, all this
other stuff that's really important and I think we want
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and we excel at it. Uh And and by the way,
you know, two way trade and development of trade and
countries over receipt separate thing, it's very important. I've seen
it in Latin America. It really makes dictatorships a relative.
Nobody wants to go back to anyone with a dictatorship
that they're having a really good economy and there and
they have a good life for their family. But the
point is, you cannot buy product without credit. Yeah, I mean,
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you just it's just it is. You have credit to
do to do work overseas. You don't have that. You
got nothing not gonna happen. You cannot be seamless. Everything's digital,
nothing is done in my paper anymore. You need a
credit line, and you've got to be able to have
the access to those funds to facilitate whether it's logistically speaking,
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shipping or it's getting your products. So are you seeing that, Alfredo?
When you go to other you know, smaller businesses or
small to mid sized businesses that you know really want
to be involved in the Internet, they just can't get
the funds to buy the product, to expand their base,
to go into other countries. You think you see any
of that?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, and that's that's
what I'm saying. Because rates are just as high as
they are. I mean, everything, everything is kind of basically
stuck right now. That is my Our primary focus, by
the way, is getting these right down, and we keep
we keep, you know, kind of counting this point because
it's impacting every aspect of our lives right both, you know,
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from your mortgages to your credit cards, your auto loans,
to the business loans and again the acts of the credit.
First of all, remember when a couple of those big
banks goes down, things really tighten up, and just really
haven't loosened up since then. And so yeah, I mean,
these small business owners need a break. And you know,
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the one big, beautiful bill is a huge, huge break.
Those two text provisions that I mentioned already earlier are
huge h But to get them to take advantage of those,
they have to be able to access credit, and they
have to be able to access credit affordably.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Exactly. Well, listen, you know we're up against the wall
right now, in a hard break. So I want to
you know, I just can't thank you enough. Alfredo Ortis
president's CEO of the Job Creators Network. We're delighted you're here.
We love having it comeback.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Thank you so much. I always love being here. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Take care, Okay. One of the things that you know,
we always learn something you know, you have to learn.
When you stop learning, you're dead. So you always have
to learn. So I hope today when we were talking
about energy, I want to get back to energy for
a second. And that affects Alfredo by the way, because
the more energy you have, the more manufacturing you have.
(40:46):
Them more manufacturing you have them where jobs are going
to need we have we have. We're in the situation
right now where if we get our act together, and
I really hope the Feds do the right thing coming
up soon, they really need to lower the rate, and
they need to seriously load the rate. It's got to
say into strong signal, because that is going to you're
going to create a golden environment for this country for
(41:09):
things to be made, made, made in America, which is
what we're all about. This is what we want. I
don't want to have made in the Ukraine. I want
to have made in America. I want American people. I
want all of us and that includes legal immigrants that
are here that they have an opportunity to do really well.
And because that's what America is all about. So when
(41:31):
I when I was we were listening to Jack Spencer
earlier today and we're talking about you know, creating energy.
We are sitting on the opportunity right now for all
sorts of good things. And by the way, by the way,
that includes EV vehicles and batteries that can be made
right here in the United States. And what did Trump do?
(41:52):
President Trump do and just remarkable is that he's allowing
us to dig for to get the rare earth minerals.
By the way, Alaska has tons of them. I think
they discovered more in the Midwest and in the West.
It's just trillions of dollars worth of that, you know,
sitting there waiting to be used if in fact we
(42:13):
want to go that route. I'm not a big EV guy.
I have to be honest with you, if you've listened
to me for the last ten fifteen years, I'm not
big into EV cars. I just don't think they're there yet.
But you know, but I think, you know, we have
an opportunity for some economies to come online. So we're
in a good place. We've got some good people here,
(42:35):
guys like Alfredo Ortiz out there, you know, watching our
back and helping people create jobs. We've got a president
that's very pro what we're doing. We've got a vice
president that's out there doing the right thing. We have,
you know, the DOJ's doing the right thing. We're doing
what we need to do if we could just be
allowed to do it. And that's going to include, by
(42:57):
the way, nuclear energy, because we're going to have to
have nuclear energy because let me tell you something. The
AI that you're hearing about. And I know a lot
of us are confused and saying, oh my god, what
is AI? And do we really need people anymore? I
don't know. According to Rod Serling, we don't because in
some of the stories that I saw with Rod Serling
that the probots are doing better than we were. Same
(43:18):
thing with Isaac Asimov. You know, he told us and
he warned us. So we're going to see where we go.
AI is going to lead the way. Energy is going
to be needed for AI and the future progression of
building things. And guess what, it's all going to be
made right here in America, made in America. That's what
(43:39):
we're all about. We'll see you next week. Take care,
God bless Bye bye,
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