June 22, 2025 • 43 mins
EJ Antoni , Chief Economist, and Richard Aster Fellow, in The Heritage Foundation’s Grover M. Hermann Center for the Federal Budget.
Captain Ross “Rusty” Aimer is the CEO of Aero Consulting Experts and perhaps the most experienced pilot in the world still flying a private jet today.
Captain Ross “Rusty” Aimer is the CEO of Aero Consulting Experts and perhaps the most experienced pilot in the world still flying a private jet today.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, welcome, this is Rich Roffman, your host.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm Made in America. Delighted, just delighted to have you
here today. We have a great show for you. I'm
kind of jazzed about what's going on. We're gonna be
talking about airplanes. We're gonna be talking about Boeing. We're
gonna be talking about the crash in India. And the
reason we're gonna be talking about that is that Boeing
has always been the number one the consummate consummate technology
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firm in the United States, manufacturing right here some of
the most incredible projects ever devised. So that's gonna be
really cool. We're gonna have Captain Ross Rusty Ahmer.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
On the show for that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And then we're also going to be talking about the
Drop report that came out earlier this year this month,
and uh, we're gonna have EJ and Tony on the
on the show from the Heritage Foundation. We'll kind of
break apart some of these numbers and kind of understand
what's going on with the the economy. Uh, and maybe
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we can wind up getting some some fed rate cuts.
We don't know, but first. But first I'm gonna talk
a little bit about the Democrats. I want to talk
about you know, they're uh, they really have nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean they have nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You're listening to what they're saying, and they really don't
have anything to say.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You know, what are they saying that's gonna make life better?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I mean they had that for a while, you know,
and with with you know, whoever Biden was the president.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I don't know who was the president.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I know Biden was there, he slept there, he had
his caretakers there. I don't know who the hell ran
the country. You don't know who ran the country. No
one knows who run the country right now. But we're
gonna find out, by the way. But having said that,
I got to play a couple of cuts and let
you draw your own conclusions, because I think this is
important for maide in America, really important for maide in America.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Delighted to have you on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Let's listen to James Carville, who's been around for a
long long time, at least since the Mesozoic stage in
the Earth. Let's listen to James, and I think you're
going to get an idea where I'm going.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Democratic Party has been the most effective political party in
the history of the world. It started social security, it
bought civil rights, it bought a women's rights it bought
gay rights. It brought up the last party to bring
a balanced budget to the United States of America. Okay,
its shepherd at the United States to the greatest age
of prosperity I've ever had, the nineties. The Democratic Party
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really does not need me to defend it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It has a record.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Does as good as taking imagine any depression.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But that ain't today, James, That's right, that ain't today, James, listen,
I don't know what he's talking. I mean, do know
what he's talking about. We all know what he's talking.
He's talking about history, and he's kind of cloud in
a couple of issues. You know, all the things that
they've done over the generation. And if you look back
on the votes, by the way for civil rights and
giving African American blacks the right to vote, go back
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to the eighteen sixty five and start looking at the numbers,
and you're going to see it was the Republican Party
that pushed the hell out of it and the Democrats
that basically voted it down.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
All along all along, all along.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Even going into the nineteen sixties when we had the
nineteen sixty four to sixty five Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
But I want to discuss that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
They may not need definition from the past, but I
got an understanding for their definition very easily. If you
do remember, which he kind of left out, was that
during World War Two? What did the Democrats do, the
only party I know that ever did that. They took
Japanese Americans and they put them in internment camps. Now,
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where is their rights? Where is their due process? They
just picked them up and said, hey, we're going to
take the Japanese because we're a war of the Japanese. Okay,
we were, there's no question about it. But as you
all well know, and you watch it on in the
History channel, Germany was at war with us. He see
any German Americans being arrested, taken out of their house,
dragged out of their house, getting on a bus, being
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taken away, losing their property, losing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Did you see that one?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
If you, if you do, and you know where that's
to be found. I want you to send me information
to Rich at rich Roffman dot com so we can
get you on the show next week and we'll have
a discussion about it. But did you see any Italian
Wait a minute, we were at war with the Italians.
Granted they had better food, but the Italians. So the
only people I ever saw, you know, have a lack
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of due process was the Japanese.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know. Maybe that's going to say look different.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't know, but I got to tell you I'm
not over overjoy what I'm what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But this is very interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When the when the Democrats are trying to convince you
that the Republicans are going segue, there's sideways on what's
happening in this country. I think you should listen to
Mark Warner because a lot of it is a bunch
of good crap that's putting out there. And the more
they say, the more the reality becomes for what they say,
whether it's true or not, doesn't make any difference. But
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let's listen to Senator Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia, and
he made a comment, and you know, with the Gang
of Eight, listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Okay, see. I'm the member, as you said, of the
Gang of Eight.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
We're supposed to know.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I have no foggy idea what this administration of plans
are or what the foreign policy is.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I want to ask anybody out there, is there anybody
raise your hand, and we're gonna will count you, even
if we're on radio. We're going to just get close
to the microphone. We're going to count you. Does anyone
not have an idea what's going on with this administration,
what they're trying to do with the foreign policy, because
I have a pretty good idea, particularly watching the last
few weeks. Part of the foreign policy is that we're
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going to try and equalize trade. That's kind of obvious,
isn't it That that's I don't think that's very confusing.
And they're going to be using terrorists's leverage and they're
doing that, and that seems to be moving in the
right direction. And the terr is supposed to be so
high that we destroy the economy. In reality, we haven't
and it's growing and thriving and moving and grooving and
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's okay. But having said that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You know, the the the uh moving forward, we have
other things out there that that they're that they're not
talking about. I know what they're talking about. Trump does
not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. He will
do everything he can to make sure Iran doesn't get
a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Anybody confused on that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is there anybody who missed that in the last few months?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Does anybody have any idea what's going on?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Just turning on the news every night and saying some
city and some other city is being bombed and it's
because Israel, of the United States and probably all the
free world except crazy he is on the left don't
want Iran to have a nuclear bomb. Not confused. I'm
not confused. I kind of know where that's going. So
Mark Warner, I have no idea what you're talking about,
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except you fit into all the rest of the crazies
on the left because you've got nothing else to offer.
Give me something that American manufacturers and people right here
can do by get promote that would make life better
for Americans right here in the United States. Because I
don't hear a damn thing coming from anybody on the left,
and I'm really kind of annoyed about that. So when
I hear Mark Warner say, well, I don't know what
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he's saying. I'm really not clearer on what his plans are.
That's a bunch of croc and you know that absolutely,
James Carver, well, we don't have to defend the Democratic Party.
It's the most amazing party in the history of mankind.
Just read Genesis in the Bible. I don't know if
it's exactly that, but that's that's what They're important to us.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But they are complaining.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They are telling us that everything that this president's doing
is nuts, even to the point I couldn't believe I
heard this from a Democrat that they want to try
to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. You know, some Democrat
was trying to get a bill path evoking the twenty
fifth Amendment to take down Trump because he's, you know,
losing his mind. Of course, they didn't do that with Biden,
who actually did lose his mind and got confused, and
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according to certain Secret Service folks that have been leaking
information that he got lost in his closet. I would
like all of you, when we get done with the show,
please go into your closet and please make sure you
can get out of your closet. And I'd like to
know by letting me know, Richard rich Tropan dot com
that you did not get lost in your closet, because
I think most Americans kind of understand since most Americans
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are supporting what's going on a good plurality of Americans,
what we're doing with Israel and what Israel is doing,
and how we're trying to keep it around from getting
a nuclear bomb, the worst terrorist country in the world,
funding everybody else. I think if the plurality of this country,
largest plurality is voting in favor of get them down,
get them out, get straight, get right, make it work,
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then I think, you know, Mark Warner really knows what's
going on, and you know what I do, you do
and everyone else does.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
My dog does.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I can tell you that right now because he's smart
as a whip and he kind of understands.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We have a great show when we come back after
a break, and we're gonna be talking a little bit
about job numbers, good bad that are indifferent, good bad
and ugly. It was a great movie and it's very
interesting with the job numbers, and then we're gonna have
a really good conversation about Boeing. It's been bothering me
for a long long time. The greatest manufacturer in the
United States. I always felt that way. Everyone loved Boeing.
It's a shame that what's going on. We're gonna have
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to look into that. And we've got Ross Rusty Ahmer
is gonna be on the show in just a few minutes,
So we're gonna take a break, make a few bucks
for the affiliates, and then we're gonna come right back
and talk numbers. Don't go anywhere, You're gonna find out
where the jobs are. Okay, Well, a back to maid
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in America. This is Rich Roff and your host. Delighted
to have you here today.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
We are going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Talking job numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I know this is you know, it's a very interesting
thing to look at job numbers because for me, it's
a GPS.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I like to look at them and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I want to know who's doing what with whom, how
it's working, and then I want to figure out who's
not telling the truth. So it's kind of interesting to
look at that. We have a j and Tony from
the Heritage Foundation. He's a chief economist. So this man knows,
and we're gonna be talking about job numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
EJ. Welcome to MAID in America.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
My pleasure, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Think it's important, you know, EJ. I gotta I always
got to kick out of reading the job numbers. You know,
everyone has their ideas of what's going to happen, and
everyone uses it for the political means that they want.
And I'm just stunned by sometimes things that come out
and then they suddenly change a few months later. So
it is political, and it really shouldn't be political because
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important this isn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You're made as a result of this, EJ.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Tell me a little bit, you know, when you look
at the last job numbers, you know, let's just do it.
Listen to the ten thousand foot look first and then
we'll dig in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So what does it tell you? What did it tell you?
What's your takeaway?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Well, the good news is that we continue to see
a reprivatization of the economy. In other words, you're seeing
fewer government jobs and you're seeing more private sector jobs.
That's a marked change from the Biden years. And again
it's really good news because it means instead of having
people being paid by taxpayer dollars doing unproductive work in
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the public sector. They're now moving to doing productive work
in the private sector. So really good news there. Unfortunately, though,
that's kind of where the good news starts to deteriorate.
We continue to have problems with the actual data where
the reporting has been inaccurate. There's just no other way
to say it. That's a problem that started about three
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years years ago and continues to this day. We're also
not seeing a great mix in terms of the jobs
numbers that are being created, so we're not seeing as
many full time jobs getting created as we would like.
We're seeing a disproportionate number of part time jobs. That
being said, though, the wage growth has been really good,
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so another piece of good news there.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know you would think, now, maybe this is a
little bit of naivete, and I know that the folks
out there on main Street you want to figure this
one out too, But how can the numbers and I
know they're huge, it's an aggregate that's gigantic to play
with and get, you know, kind of embrace it and understand,
But how is it that they come out with numbers
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they being now, who puts the numbers out?
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Just so people know, this is the Bureau of Labor Statistics,
which is part of the Labor Department.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right exactly, So what's empirical? Is anything empirical anymore? I mean,
when these numbers come out?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
How can it be that numbers come out and then
they you know, they tagged them, they go crazy. Obama
did it and he said, well, you know, two thousand
and eight, we had a bad you ever get it,
but we're pulling you out. We created incredible amount of
jobs and people came back to the marketplace. Look at
all the numbers that were out there. And then and
I had some concerns about that, which I'll share in
a second, But how could it be that numbers come
out and then two months later, three months later, they go, well,
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we got to take ninety five thousand out.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Well, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
The other hilarious thing that they would do under Obama
was they would say, this month, the government created or
saved one hundred thousand jobs. How do you save a
job And they'd say, well, if we hadn't done anything,
the economy would have lost even more jobs. So because
we only lost some and not more, we saved jobs,
all all kinds of nonsense. What do you know today, though?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, I cut you forgive.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Me, We'll go ahead. What we're seeing today, though, is
something that began in the spring of twenty twenty two,
and it's been this weird phenomenon in the data where
unfortunately the figures we're getting, at least the initial estimates
are not very accurate. And what's really troubling is that
they are consistently inaccurate in the same direction. So let
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me be clear here. It's perfectly normal that these figures
from the Bureau of Labor Statistics will get revised over time.
But typically what happens is one month the jobs are underestimated,
the next they're overestimated. They're typically small deviations, and at
the end of a year they all just basically average
out to zero, so it's a wash. What we've seen
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the last three years plus, though, has been a consistent
overestimation in the number of monthly jobs, so we end
up constantly seeing downward revisions and they are abnormally large.
That's really problematic because it means that we never have
a good sense, at least not at first of how
many jobs we're actually adding to the economy, and in
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some instances we're probably losing jobs and not adding them
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, yeah, I mean, when when we look back on
the Biden administration in the last four years of it,
didn't they pull like something like four hundred thousand jobs
came out from all the reporting that they realized that
we're overstated.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Am I am I dreaming that?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Oh that was That was in a good year. Some
years were even worse, where you essentially had these annual
revisions take place where they took out about six hundred
thousand jobs, and that was on top of the monthly
reports already being revised down by a couple hundred thousand
in aggregates. So it's no exaggeration to say, for example,
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in a twelve month period under Biden, a full third
of all the jobs we thought we initially added never
even existed in the first place. And the fact that
that problem continues to this day means that there are
statistical issues at the Bureau of Labor Statistics that they
still haven't fixed. There's no excuse for this problem to
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have been going on for three years and to have
not been addressed. Yet, and since we finally have a
new Secretary of Labor, it is incumbent upon her to
look into what the commissioner at the Bureau of Labor
Statistics is doing and to figure out what mistakes he's
making and how to correct it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, interestingly you say that, and yes, it was
like eight hundred thousand jobs were taken out now I
recall exactly. And then Goldman Sachs thought it was even
higher than that. They thought it was close to more
close to a million jobs. We're just didn't exist. Of course,
that wasn't highly reported. That was reported for like a
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nanosecond and then it suddenly disappeared.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Let me ask you a question about this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, when Obama was the president and they were
coming out with these jobs and remarkably that the job
numbers were going up, and for everything that you just said,
we're saving jobs in any way that they can find
a plus, they do that. But having said that, don't
you feel sometimes in some of these reports you're getting
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the same person working two or three jobs, particularly when
the economy is tough. You know, they need to make
more income and they're out there doing multiple jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I mean, people who have night jobs. Sometimes they have
day jobs, they add the weekend, they do other things
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Is they didn't I don't think they accounted for that
to break it out and said these of this gain
of the set gain that we have x percent or
people with multiple jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They don't do that, do they.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
So they do have a separate category where they try
to keep track of how many people from a different survey,
But they do try to keep track of how many
people are working multiple jobs, So that gives us somewhat
of an indication. We don't always get to see exactly
how many jobs those folks are working. In other words,
do they have two jobs or do they maybe have
three or even four in some instances, But if anybody
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who follows me on Twitter, you can see or x
whatever we call it these days, you can see the
breakdown that I do every single month when we get
the next round of numbers where we make these estimates
when we try to figure out, okay, how many of
the jobs that we're adding. Here is just the same
person who's already working getting another job. Maybe they're picking
up another part time gig to try to make ends meet,
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versus somebody who previously was unemployed. Now comes into the
labor force and actually gets a new job, especially a
full time job. So you're absolutely right. That was a
big concern. Under Biden. We saw a disproportionate number of
these jobs that were added or just part time work,
and it was somebody who already had a full time
job picking up a part time one. A lot of
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that was just due to inflation. People, as the saying goes,
there was two much months left at the end of
the money and they had to get additional work to
try to pay all the bills exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So okay, yeah, so now we know that I see
I see these as a GPS. And one of the
things that could tell me is that where's the job market?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Now, where's the growth in the job market?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
If someone's looking for a job and they want to
get out there, because as we talk about, no where
are they going? What would be the best areas of
the economy, what would be the soucioeconomic.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
On that.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
In terms of where people where people should look for
jobs or where we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That right now?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Where's the growth? Where's the growth?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Well, increasingly, and this has been very good. We're not
so much seeing the growth in government anymore. We're seeing
much more growth in leisure and hospitality. We're seeing growth
in the healthcare sector. Now the healthcare sector is not
great in terms of the overall economy because a lot
of those jobs are actually still paid for.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
EJ.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And Tony the chief economist from the Heritage Foundation. Uh,
and we're.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Going to continue on EJ. Thanks a lot man, have
a great week.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Oh thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Absolutely, we'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Promoting American industry.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, welcome back to Made in America. This is just terrific.
We're having a lot of fun today. We've been talking
about numbers and the job report, and you know what's
really going on with the numbers, and the numbers go
up and then a few months later they go down,
and we discussed it how we're related to the Biden
administration and how it related to Obama, and how the
numbers were used for political reasons, which they are from everybody.
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But certainly it doesn't look good when for the last
four years the numbers were reduced by eight hundred thousand.
Goldman sacks that it should have been closer to a
million of jobs that never even existed, you know, fantasy jobs.
This is something you can probably bet on and go
to barstool and bet on it. Anyway, I am delighted
to welcome Captain Ross. Rusty Ross, Rusty Aimer and Rusty
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is the CEO of Aero Consulting Experts, which to me
and I'm looking at these numbers, I'm looking at these people.
These are the guys if you're taking it. Next time
I go to Hong Kong, I'm taking this guy. This
guy's got to fly me. Oh my god, just an
amazing amount. Captain, welcome the Maiden America.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Thank you very much. Rich welcome on board.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And don't forget put your trade tables in the upright position.
By the way, I have to tell you this, Ross,
I was married to a flight attendant who was the
in flight supervisor for nine years on an international airline.
And she was the in flight supervisor and she had
thirteen folks working underneath her on a DC ten.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So get you the dates, you know, and that was
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Oh, many guys like you said that was the ugliest
plane that they were embarrassed with the DC ten.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They didn't like the look of the plane, you know,
with that engine.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It was a beautiful airplane. I flew it for a
short time in comparison to the seven four seven, But
there was nothing wrong with the DC ten. It was
a great airplane.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I thought it was great. I mean I flew it.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I mean, I can't even tell you how many times
I passed road. I passed road twenty two times to
London out of Miami. Oh, I mean for.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Thirty three dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Thirty three dollars, I'm going first class round trip to London.
I went there so long, and the customs guys knew me,
and they would say, hey, Rick, you got anything to declare?
And I said no, and they would look at me,
shake their heads and go pity, very pity.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's just it was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Hey, listen, I got to talk. I'm really concerned. There
is a mystique to flying. I know that because I.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Helped my wife become a flight attendant. At least in
that marriage. I helped my wife become a flight attendant.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I got to know all the you know, the
three letter codes, because she had to know all the
codes around the world to get to be where she
was but but there's an energy, there's something very special.
You walk into an airport, there is an energy factor
there that is just unbelievable. And I don't think a
lot of other industries that just don't have that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You can feel it, you inhale it, when you get
into an airport, you feel it on the plane. There's
an attitude about it. Having said that, Captain, I am.
I'm concerned about Boeing, and I want to discuss this
a little bit and then we'll talk about your company too.
I'm concerned about Boeing from my point of view, and
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I have to tell you, I flew all.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Over the world a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I'm a former chair of the World Trade Center, Vice
chair of the World Trade Center, on the board of
the World Trade Center. I know a lot of people
in the building. One that came down just amazing that
I've been around the world and did so much. And
I have to tell you, and this goes with just
about all my fellow buddies who are doing the same
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thing as I did. I would check the equipment ross
and if it was a Boeing, I would take the flight.
If it was you know, you know, a European manufactured
plane airbus, I would probably not take it. It's one
of the reasons that I kind of liked Virgin Atlantic.
But in some ways I didn't like Virgin Atlantic because
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I had a proclivity to fly the you know, the airbus,
different flight, different equipment out of m i A into
a Heathrow, and so I've always had a very good
feeling about Boeing. To me, it was the consummate technology
firm in the United States putting out amazing products. So
it bothers me when I see the media picking up
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on this and all these accidents that suddenly suddenly sprung
up in the last few years and like a tire
coming off and whatever, and then making.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
A big deal about that.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And I guess you should to a degree, but it
upset me that that Boeing took a hit. So let's
talk for a second. Do you feel the same way
about Boeing. Did you have a an embracement to that
form of technology, that company that produced the airplane?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What do you think as.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
An incredibly powerful pilot, what do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I did Rich Boeing, You obviously was my favorite airplane,
first airplane I ever flew in nineteen sixty four as
a twenty year old, brand new second officer. My first
airplane was a seven oh seven. So I grew up
with Boeing, and like you said, the word the saying
(25:32):
was if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going. But badly
that it's changed considerably and Boeing is not the engineering
excellence that it was many years ago. There are a
lot of changes at Boeing, sadly, and what we see
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and hear is now the result of that.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
So when we see these things occurring, you know, I
why do you suppose that happened? How could one of
the most incredible technology company manufacturing companies in the world,
certainly in the top top, top, top tier of the
United States and started and run by some of the
most incredible men in the aviation industry. I mean, who's
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the guy who took the seven oh seven on a
test fight with the pr and he did a barrel
roll with it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm trying to remember the guy's name. Who was the pilot.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I can't right, that's pilot.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I mean this guy was just unbelievable. So and there
was a wonderful plane. I mean, the seven o seven
really set the stage for you know, globalization that we
have today. I would think, you know, we have to
thank the folks who created that.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But how did the industry?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
How did that company? And I'm serious, I mean how
does it go from where it was to today? And
then I have another type of a question to ask
relating to that. But what I mean this is just
these are just you.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Know, opinions, not fact, just opinions. But how do you
feel why did it go that way?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well, in a few short words, it went from an
excellent engineering company to a only for profit run by
being counters. Originally Boeing. Bill Boeing was an amazing engineer,
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and then guys like Joe Sutter, the father of seven
forty seven. These these guys were literally called the incredibles.
There's a story about it. I was in a documentary
a while back talking about Boeing seven four seven and
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this guy, Joe Sutter, was a young engineer, came out
of the Navy and his task was to build literally
from ground upon seven seven in basically less than a
year over a shake a handshake between Bill Boeing and
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Juan Trip of pan App. But sadly all of that
change into quarterly profits, and that fantastic engineering company just
went away and it was just like any other company
that is there only to make profits for the shareholders.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So all right.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So in so doing, you know, they eroded the primary
factor that made it so special. And you could weep
for that because there was so much faith in their product,
I mean incredible. I never doubted for a second about Boeing,
never had second thought, and I said, I don't today.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, I'll tell you what I do.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Get concerned with the same thing that you're talking about
with Boeing caps.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is what I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Concerned when I you know, read about like I'm just
gonna use names of airlines. Done necessarily the one that
had the problem, but it could be you know, American Airlines.
I'm very very close, very close to the folks that
American you know, Peter Delar was a good close friend
of mine, Bob Tronio, whole bunch of guys. So when
they made Miami the second hub, you know for Latin America,
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because we're in the I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
In Miami and we are the gateway and we.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Have the most incredible flights into Latin America and are
in you know, Ralph does. Ralph Cootie does a phenomenal
job at m i A, as did all the others,
going back to Dick Judy when he made it an
international airport. But but you know, I really feel that
when when you hear about some of.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
These problems a door coming off or something.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Like that, that's got to be the It cannot be
Boeming's fault to a degree when it's years later, It
just can't be.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's got to be I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Shouldn't it be the maintenance of the airline that really
is checking this stuff out and making sure that you know,
the tire is a cool, the doors are going to
stay on, windows are going to blow out, part of
the roof's not going to fly off as in Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, am I am?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I listen, I'm in the if I don't know, I'm
lay it to You're not. You're the professional.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The answer is yes or no. Quality control of manufacturing
is the most important part of airplane building or with
anything that you make. You know, but we're talking about
an aircraft in the air We're not talking about a
lawn war. So you need utmost engineering and quality control
(30:38):
and Unfortunately Boeing lost both of those in the past
few years. Yes, maintenance is extremely important with an airline,
and top airlines do think about it all the time.
It's the utmost importance to them. But you have to
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have a product that has been built with quality control
and a good engineering company like Boeing or the best.
At one time, it changed their direction. They lost their
quality controlled. The bean counters were deciding what goes in
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an airplane instead of aerospace engineers. So all those changes
kind of permeated to what we see today. Things falling
off airplanes. We never saw that in the past. Yes,
we did have crashes in the old days, just like
we do now, but technology got better and better. But
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in case of Boeing, they just lost their way.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Can they get it back?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They can get it back. Yes, we needed another shutter
or one of those incredibles Incredibles they actually called those,
that group of Boeing engineers and workers under Joe Sutter
that build the seven forty seven incredibles because they really
achieved an incredible task. What happened was when Juan Tripp
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of PanAm and build Bowing shook hand over the seven
forty seven and they Boeing hired this brand new engineer
out of the Navy by the name of Joe Sutter,
and he performed a miracle. First, he built that enormous
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hangar in Everett, Washington, in one of the wettest winners
in the Pacific Northwest. Literally moved a forest into the
biggest building and it started building the seven four seven
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at the same time. That's why they call those guys incredibles.
And we need a bunch of incredibles again, somebody like
Joe Sutter to take Boeing back to where they were,
bring back those engineers from the Pacific Northwest that were
incredible workers with great work ethics. It can be done,
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but it's a big task. But they need somebody other
than a bean counter at the helm.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's one of
the things that I do. The show Made in America.
I did it for many, many years, many years, you know,
fifteen years with my partner Neil Asberry, and we're very
proud of America. We talk about American manufacturing job creation.
You know, in the day, American manufacturing was the key
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manufacturing location in the world. You wanted products made in America.
We have the highest standards, the best workforce, you know,
incredible energy. I mean, it's just a wonderful, wonderful place
to work, and I'm very proud of it. That's why
I do the show. But when we see this happen,
you would hope. I think it's very important that Boeing
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gets it together because Boeing is very visible everyone. I mean,
if you think about the people, the number of people
that touch their products, it's millions of people every day.
It's not like someone's going to go out and buy
a case of coke or something like that. This is
serious stuff and this is stuff that lives depend on it.
You know, when you're flying at forty seven thousand feet
forty five thousand feet, thirty seven thousand feet, you want
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to know you have dependability and you have faith and
integrity of the product that you're on.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You can't play around with that. You cannot play around
with that.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So having said that, yeah, let me just really quick,
what's your take on India?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Why did that? I looked at the video, it's horrific.
Why did that plank look like it never got up?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Do you think we don't know yet? And I don't
want to speculate. In fact, there's an incredible amount of
false information on the Internet. Everybody is now pretending to
be and the aviation expertise load and experienced pilots have
YouTube channels, every one of them, and they claim they
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know exactly what happened. Right now as we speak, we
don't know yet. The good thing is that they've discovered
both the data and the voice recorder. Also a particular
thing that is unique to the seven eighty seven. They
have an outside camera for the pilots to look in
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the wheels and the tail and everything, and also has
a camera that records what happens in the cabin of
the aircraft, not the cockpit cabin and the outside. So
they have these three items in their position the investigators,
and hopefully they will discover exactly what happened. But as
(36:04):
of Dispin it all is congestion and we don't know
what happened yet, but we will find out what happened.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I have no doubt and I'm probably in four years
from now on air disaster because I watched that. I'm
going to read about it and watch it and understand it.
But just it just broke my heart when I saw that.
You know, I knew a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I still do. A lot of people in the industry.
A good number of them.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Are retired because this goes back to the eighties when
they were flying a lot of military cats.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
A lot of guys who are in the military.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Some people that I mean, I want if there's a
problem in a plane, I want.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Them in the left seat. They're just remarkable guys.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Rusty real quick, give me, give me the fifteen second speech.
Aero consulting experts. Who are you guys?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
We're a bunch of mainly retired pilots. We have a
few current pilots, airline pilots, military commercial that got together
and made this company, basically for in case of aviation litigation.
(37:15):
They use us as expert witnesses. We also do obviously
anytime there's a crash, they call one of us. They
think I know something. I must have fooled them somewhere,
and I.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Love about that. You know a lot, But I.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Always say, in cases of the brand new crash, we
don't know yet. And in many cases, whatever we say
the first couple of days it turns out to be
completely wrong. But all you hear these days, like I said,
is misinformation and it's for some reason it's exploded on
(37:57):
social media. And every one of these guys claims that
they know exactly what happened to that Air India crash,
that seven eight seven, But so far they don't. Nobody
knows that. But fortunately r MTSB, British Air Investigation and
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Indian they're working together. Also, Boeing is involved in this
crash investigation because that was their airplane. He will be
involved because it was their engine. And hopefully we'll find
out exactly what happened to that aircraft. But you know,
saying I know exactly what happened, and by the way,
(38:42):
I do have my theory, but I don't want to
tank the process by saying no, no, no, we'll.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Cut you back on. We're going to get you back.
You're cool anyway. I love the ABA industry. We're going
to get to be friends. Rustly, Hey, real.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Quick, five seconds. Did they call you for the movie Sully?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
They didn't. They didn't call me. But I'm one of
the things I do is I'm a TA technical assistant
in some aviation movies. I think I'm getting too old
to use me personally. But no, they didn't call me for.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Sally great film. I just that was amazing. I mean,
I grew up in New York.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I can't imagine landing in the Hudson River in the wintertime,
in freezing cold water and everybody walks away kind of
that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Well, the joke was that Sully took landed in the
in the river because he didn't want to go to Newark, right,
But no, you could have got.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The Teterborough didn't. He didn't think he'd make it. I
guess that's what he said in the film. Anyway, he
didn't like I said.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
The joke was the a traffic controller said Newark is
to your right. He says, hell, no, I'm going into
the river.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But great, fantastic, great life.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, you're right anyway, Captain Ross Rusty Ahmer, CEO of
Aero Consulting Experts, just just bloody great that you're on
the show. Really enjoy talking to you. We're gonna have
to get you back soon.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Thank you, pleasure, Rich, thank you, all right, you all take.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Care, thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
We're going to be right back with some forwards. Okay,
welcome back to MEADI in America. This is Rich Roffman.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm delighted to have you here. It was a great
show today.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, I'm very intrigued with the numbers and the
job numbers, and you know that we continue to grow.
We're not creating the full time jobs that we want,
but you're creating a heck of a lot of part
time jobs. And interesting, they were really cutting back on,
you know, government jobs, and I think that's spectacular. You know,
if in fact we're going to cut back on expenses
in the government. You know, the government are not job
creators as such, and that's supposed to be job creators.
(40:54):
It's the small, mid sized companies in the private sector.
Those are the ones that create the most number of
jobs in this country. And I'm really interested that, you know,
e J and Tony, the chief economist from the Heritage Foundation,
was coming on the show. I also find it interesting
that captains such as Captain Ross Rusty Eimer, the CEO
of Aero Consulting Experts, he was on and we talked
(41:16):
about bowling and uh, what happens when you take Since
we're called made in America and Boeing is the ultimate
made in America, how do you how does a company
that's at the pinnacle of success doing so spectacularly well,
then suddenly turn it around and go onoin to eighty
(41:37):
and go ying to the yang and they start putting
out you know, so they tell us in the media,
and I'm concerned about that because I think the media
really talks in certain ways that they shouldn't. You know that,
you know, Boeing's are just not the company that we
thought it was. And because of all the reason and
you know, Rusty was telling us. Captain Rusty was telling
us that, you know, they went they went for the
(41:59):
bottom line first, and they let the mission of the company,
the statement of the company, the mission statement of the company,
which is to produce the best of the best of
the best for those who are forty thousand feet. Because
when you're flying at forty thousand feet and you're approaching
you know, you know, five hundred and ten miles an hour,
and particularly and I've flown the concord twice, let me
(42:20):
tell you something. When you're flying the concord and you're
going one three hundred and eighty miles an hour, which
is twice basically depending upon the height and the heat
that's outside the plane, you're twice the speed of sound.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And you want to have the best of the best
of the best.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
And because it's very unforgiving when you're going that fast,
that high, if something happens, it's unforgiving. So you really
want to get that back. And I think it's very.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Important for America for those of us who are.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Listening get back behind Boeing, and those are boeing, get
your act together, change what you're doing, because you are
what we are all about. You're a physical manifestation of
why we say Made in America is the best play
too well manufactured goods. So I guess we're running out
of time. We're gonna see you next week. Right here,
We've got incredible stuff coming up for you. If you
(43:08):
want to get a hold of me, it's Rich at
rich Roffman dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
R O F F M A N. Send me a
note and now I'm gonna be delighted.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I will get back to you if you get me
your emails, and I will listen to what you're saying.
If there are topics, if there are really interesting companies
that you want to have me cover and bring some
of these CEOs on the show, I'm delighted to do
it for you all. You've got to do is send
me a note at rich at rich Roffman dot com
and I'll follow up for you and I'll make things happen.
(43:35):
But I want to thank you so much for being
with us today on the show. We're gonna be back
next week and we're gonna have some incredible material for you.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So you take care, see you next week.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
Fine,
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Hey, welcome, this is Rich Roffman, your host.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm Made in America. Delighted, just delighted to have you
here today. We have a great show for you. I'm
kind of jazzed about what's going on. We're gonna be
talking about airplanes. We're gonna be talking about Boeing. We're
gonna be talking about the crash in India. And the
reason we're gonna be talking about that is that Boeing
has always been the number one the consummate consummate technology
(00:44):
firm in the United States, manufacturing right here some of
the most incredible projects ever devised. So that's gonna be
really cool. We're gonna have Captain Ross Rusty Ahmer.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
On the show for that.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
And then we're also going to be talking about the
Drop report that came out earlier this year this month,
and uh, we're gonna have EJ and Tony on the
on the show from the Heritage Foundation. We'll kind of
break apart some of these numbers and kind of understand
what's going on with the the economy. Uh, and maybe
(01:16):
we can wind up getting some some fed rate cuts.
We don't know, but first. But first I'm gonna talk
a little bit about the Democrats. I want to talk
about you know, they're uh, they really have nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean they have nothing.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
You're listening to what they're saying, and they really don't
have anything to say.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You know, what are they saying that's gonna make life better?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I mean they had that for a while, you know,
and with with you know, whoever Biden was the president.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
I don't know who was the president.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I know Biden was there, he slept there, he had
his caretakers there. I don't know who the hell ran
the country. You don't know who ran the country. No
one knows who run the country right now. But we're
gonna find out, by the way. But having said that,
I got to play a couple of cuts and let
you draw your own conclusions, because I think this is
important for maide in America, really important for maide in America.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Delighted to have you on the show.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Let's listen to James Carville, who's been around for a
long long time, at least since the Mesozoic stage in
the Earth. Let's listen to James, and I think you're
going to get an idea where I'm going.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Democratic Party has been the most effective political party in
the history of the world. It started social security, it
bought civil rights, it bought a women's rights it bought
gay rights. It brought up the last party to bring
a balanced budget to the United States of America. Okay,
its shepherd at the United States to the greatest age
of prosperity I've ever had, the nineties. The Democratic Party
(02:39):
really does not need me to defend it.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It has a record.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Does as good as taking imagine any depression.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
But that ain't today, James, That's right, that ain't today, James, listen,
I don't know what he's talking. I mean, do know
what he's talking about. We all know what he's talking.
He's talking about history, and he's kind of cloud in
a couple of issues. You know, all the things that
they've done over the generation. And if you look back
on the votes, by the way for civil rights and
giving African American blacks the right to vote, go back
(03:12):
to the eighteen sixty five and start looking at the numbers,
and you're going to see it was the Republican Party
that pushed the hell out of it and the Democrats
that basically voted it down.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
All along all along, all along.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Even going into the nineteen sixties when we had the
nineteen sixty four to sixty five Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
But I want to discuss that a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
They may not need definition from the past, but I
got an understanding for their definition very easily. If you
do remember, which he kind of left out, was that
during World War Two? What did the Democrats do, the
only party I know that ever did that. They took
Japanese Americans and they put them in internment camps. Now,
(03:53):
where is their rights? Where is their due process? They
just picked them up and said, hey, we're going to
take the Japanese because we're a war of the Japanese. Okay,
we were, there's no question about it. But as you
all well know, and you watch it on in the
History channel, Germany was at war with us. He see
any German Americans being arrested, taken out of their house,
dragged out of their house, getting on a bus, being
(04:15):
taken away, losing their property, losing their jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Did you see that one?
Speaker 5 (04:19):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I didn't see any of that.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
If you, if you do, and you know where that's
to be found. I want you to send me information
to Rich at rich Roffman dot com so we can
get you on the show next week and we'll have
a discussion about it. But did you see any Italian
Wait a minute, we were at war with the Italians.
Granted they had better food, but the Italians. So the
only people I ever saw, you know, have a lack
(04:45):
of due process was the Japanese.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't know. Maybe that's going to say look different.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't know, but I got to tell you I'm
not over overjoy what I'm what I'm hearing.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
But this is very interesting.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
When the when the Democrats are trying to convince you
that the Republicans are going segue, there's sideways on what's
happening in this country. I think you should listen to
Mark Warner because a lot of it is a bunch
of good crap that's putting out there. And the more
they say, the more the reality becomes for what they say,
whether it's true or not, doesn't make any difference. But
(05:19):
let's listen to Senator Mark Warner, Democrat from Virginia, and
he made a comment, and you know, with the Gang
of Eight, listen to what he has to say.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Okay, see. I'm the member, as you said, of the
Gang of Eight.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
We're supposed to know.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I have no foggy idea what this administration of plans
are or what the foreign policy is.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I want to ask anybody out there, is there anybody
raise your hand, and we're gonna will count you, even
if we're on radio. We're going to just get close
to the microphone. We're going to count you. Does anyone
not have an idea what's going on with this administration,
what they're trying to do with the foreign policy, because
I have a pretty good idea, particularly watching the last
few weeks. Part of the foreign policy is that we're
(06:02):
going to try and equalize trade. That's kind of obvious,
isn't it That that's I don't think that's very confusing.
And they're going to be using terrorists's leverage and they're
doing that, and that seems to be moving in the
right direction. And the terr is supposed to be so
high that we destroy the economy. In reality, we haven't
and it's growing and thriving and moving and grooving and
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's okay. But having said that.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You know, the the the uh moving forward, we have
other things out there that that they're that they're not
talking about. I know what they're talking about. Trump does
not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. He will
do everything he can to make sure Iran doesn't get
a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Anybody confused on that?
Speaker 3 (06:42):
Is there anybody who missed that in the last few months?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Does anybody have any idea what's going on?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Just turning on the news every night and saying some
city and some other city is being bombed and it's
because Israel, of the United States and probably all the
free world except crazy he is on the left don't
want Iran to have a nuclear bomb. Not confused. I'm
not confused. I kind of know where that's going. So
Mark Warner, I have no idea what you're talking about,
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except you fit into all the rest of the crazies
on the left because you've got nothing else to offer.
Give me something that American manufacturers and people right here
can do by get promote that would make life better
for Americans right here in the United States. Because I
don't hear a damn thing coming from anybody on the left,
and I'm really kind of annoyed about that. So when
I hear Mark Warner say, well, I don't know what
(07:31):
he's saying. I'm really not clearer on what his plans are.
That's a bunch of croc and you know that absolutely,
James Carver, well, we don't have to defend the Democratic Party.
It's the most amazing party in the history of mankind.
Just read Genesis in the Bible. I don't know if
it's exactly that, but that's that's what They're important to us.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
But they are complaining.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
They are telling us that everything that this president's doing
is nuts, even to the point I couldn't believe I
heard this from a Democrat that they want to try
to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. You know, some Democrat
was trying to get a bill path evoking the twenty
fifth Amendment to take down Trump because he's, you know,
losing his mind. Of course, they didn't do that with Biden,
who actually did lose his mind and got confused, and
(08:15):
according to certain Secret Service folks that have been leaking
information that he got lost in his closet. I would
like all of you, when we get done with the show,
please go into your closet and please make sure you
can get out of your closet. And I'd like to
know by letting me know, Richard rich Tropan dot com
that you did not get lost in your closet, because
I think most Americans kind of understand since most Americans
(08:37):
are supporting what's going on a good plurality of Americans,
what we're doing with Israel and what Israel is doing,
and how we're trying to keep it around from getting
a nuclear bomb, the worst terrorist country in the world,
funding everybody else. I think if the plurality of this country,
largest plurality is voting in favor of get them down,
get them out, get straight, get right, make it work,
(09:00):
then I think, you know, Mark Warner really knows what's
going on, and you know what I do, you do
and everyone else does.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
My dog does.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I can tell you that right now because he's smart
as a whip and he kind of understands.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
You know what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
We have a great show when we come back after
a break, and we're gonna be talking a little bit
about job numbers, good bad that are indifferent, good bad
and ugly. It was a great movie and it's very
interesting with the job numbers, and then we're gonna have
a really good conversation about Boeing. It's been bothering me
for a long long time. The greatest manufacturer in the
United States. I always felt that way. Everyone loved Boeing.
It's a shame that what's going on. We're gonna have
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to look into that. And we've got Ross Rusty Ahmer
is gonna be on the show in just a few minutes,
So we're gonna take a break, make a few bucks
for the affiliates, and then we're gonna come right back
and talk numbers. Don't go anywhere, You're gonna find out
where the jobs are. Okay, Well, a back to maid
(10:00):
in America. This is Rich Roff and your host. Delighted
to have you here today.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
We are going to be.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Talking job numbers.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I know this is you know, it's a very interesting
thing to look at job numbers because for me, it's
a GPS.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I like to look at them and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I want to know who's doing what with whom, how
it's working, and then I want to figure out who's
not telling the truth. So it's kind of interesting to
look at that. We have a j and Tony from
the Heritage Foundation. He's a chief economist. So this man knows,
and we're gonna be talking about job numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
EJ. Welcome to MAID in America.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
My pleasure, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
It's yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Think it's important, you know, EJ. I gotta I always
got to kick out of reading the job numbers. You know,
everyone has their ideas of what's going to happen, and
everyone uses it for the political means that they want.
And I'm just stunned by sometimes things that come out
and then they suddenly change a few months later. So
it is political, and it really shouldn't be political because
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important this isn't.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You're made as a result of this, EJ.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Tell me a little bit, you know, when you look
at the last job numbers, you know, let's just do it.
Listen to the ten thousand foot look first and then
we'll dig in a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So what does it tell you? What did it tell you?
What's your takeaway?
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Well, the good news is that we continue to see
a reprivatization of the economy. In other words, you're seeing
fewer government jobs and you're seeing more private sector jobs.
That's a marked change from the Biden years. And again
it's really good news because it means instead of having
people being paid by taxpayer dollars doing unproductive work in
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the public sector. They're now moving to doing productive work
in the private sector. So really good news there. Unfortunately, though,
that's kind of where the good news starts to deteriorate.
We continue to have problems with the actual data where
the reporting has been inaccurate. There's just no other way
to say it. That's a problem that started about three
(11:59):
years years ago and continues to this day. We're also
not seeing a great mix in terms of the jobs
numbers that are being created, so we're not seeing as
many full time jobs getting created as we would like.
We're seeing a disproportionate number of part time jobs. That
being said, though, the wage growth has been really good,
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so another piece of good news there.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know you would think, now, maybe this is a
little bit of naivete, and I know that the folks
out there on main Street you want to figure this
one out too, But how can the numbers and I
know they're huge, it's an aggregate that's gigantic to play
with and get, you know, kind of embrace it and understand,
But how is it that they come out with numbers
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they being now, who puts the numbers out?
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Just so people know, this is the Bureau of Labor Statistics,
which is part of the Labor Department.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Right exactly, So what's empirical? Is anything empirical anymore? I mean,
when these numbers come out?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
How can it be that numbers come out and then
they you know, they tagged them, they go crazy. Obama
did it and he said, well, you know, two thousand
and eight, we had a bad you ever get it,
but we're pulling you out. We created incredible amount of
jobs and people came back to the marketplace. Look at
all the numbers that were out there. And then and
I had some concerns about that, which I'll share in
a second, But how could it be that numbers come
out and then two months later, three months later, they go, well,
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we got to take ninety five thousand out.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
How does that happen?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Well, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:28):
The other hilarious thing that they would do under Obama
was they would say, this month, the government created or
saved one hundred thousand jobs. How do you save a
job And they'd say, well, if we hadn't done anything,
the economy would have lost even more jobs. So because
we only lost some and not more, we saved jobs,
all all kinds of nonsense. What do you know today, though?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry, I cut you forgive.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
Me, We'll go ahead. What we're seeing today, though, is
something that began in the spring of twenty twenty two,
and it's been this weird phenomenon in the data where
unfortunately the figures we're getting, at least the initial estimates
are not very accurate. And what's really troubling is that
they are consistently inaccurate in the same direction. So let
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me be clear here. It's perfectly normal that these figures
from the Bureau of Labor Statistics will get revised over time.
But typically what happens is one month the jobs are underestimated,
the next they're overestimated. They're typically small deviations, and at
the end of a year they all just basically average
out to zero, so it's a wash. What we've seen
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the last three years plus, though, has been a consistent
overestimation in the number of monthly jobs, so we end
up constantly seeing downward revisions and they are abnormally large.
That's really problematic because it means that we never have
a good sense, at least not at first of how
many jobs we're actually adding to the economy, and in
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some instances we're probably losing jobs and not adding them
at all.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Well, yeah, I mean, when when we look back on
the Biden administration in the last four years of it,
didn't they pull like something like four hundred thousand jobs
came out from all the reporting that they realized that
we're overstated.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Am I am I dreaming that?
Speaker 6 (15:19):
Oh that was That was in a good year. Some
years were even worse, where you essentially had these annual
revisions take place where they took out about six hundred
thousand jobs, and that was on top of the monthly
reports already being revised down by a couple hundred thousand
in aggregates. So it's no exaggeration to say, for example,
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in a twelve month period under Biden, a full third
of all the jobs we thought we initially added never
even existed in the first place. And the fact that
that problem continues to this day means that there are
statistical issues at the Bureau of Labor Statistics that they
still haven't fixed. There's no excuse for this problem to
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have been going on for three years and to have
not been addressed. Yet, and since we finally have a
new Secretary of Labor, it is incumbent upon her to
look into what the commissioner at the Bureau of Labor
Statistics is doing and to figure out what mistakes he's
making and how to correct it.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You know, interestingly you say that, and yes, it was
like eight hundred thousand jobs were taken out now I
recall exactly. And then Goldman Sachs thought it was even
higher than that. They thought it was close to more
close to a million jobs. We're just didn't exist. Of course,
that wasn't highly reported. That was reported for like a
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nanosecond and then it suddenly disappeared.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Let me ask you a question about this.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
You know, when Obama was the president and they were
coming out with these jobs and remarkably that the job
numbers were going up, and for everything that you just said,
we're saving jobs in any way that they can find
a plus, they do that. But having said that, don't
you feel sometimes in some of these reports you're getting
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the same person working two or three jobs, particularly when
the economy is tough. You know, they need to make
more income and they're out there doing multiple jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I mean, people who have night jobs. Sometimes they have
day jobs, they add the weekend, they do other things
like that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Is they didn't I don't think they accounted for that
to break it out and said these of this gain
of the set gain that we have x percent or
people with multiple jobs.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
They don't do that, do they.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
So they do have a separate category where they try
to keep track of how many people from a different survey,
But they do try to keep track of how many
people are working multiple jobs, So that gives us somewhat
of an indication. We don't always get to see exactly
how many jobs those folks are working. In other words,
do they have two jobs or do they maybe have
three or even four in some instances, But if anybody
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who follows me on Twitter, you can see or x
whatever we call it these days, you can see the
breakdown that I do every single month when we get
the next round of numbers where we make these estimates
when we try to figure out, okay, how many of
the jobs that we're adding. Here is just the same
person who's already working getting another job. Maybe they're picking
up another part time gig to try to make ends meet,
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versus somebody who previously was unemployed. Now comes into the
labor force and actually gets a new job, especially a
full time job. So you're absolutely right. That was a
big concern. Under Biden. We saw a disproportionate number of
these jobs that were added or just part time work,
and it was somebody who already had a full time
job picking up a part time one. A lot of
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that was just due to inflation. People, as the saying goes,
there was two much months left at the end of
the money and they had to get additional work to
try to pay all the bills exactly.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
So okay, yeah, so now we know that I see
I see these as a GPS. And one of the
things that could tell me is that where's the job market?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Now?
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Now, where's the growth in the job market?
Speaker 3 (19:01):
If someone's looking for a job and they want to
get out there, because as we talk about, no where
are they going? What would be the best areas of
the economy, what would be the soucioeconomic.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
On that.
Speaker 6 (19:12):
In terms of where people where people should look for
jobs or where we're seeing.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
That right now?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Where's the growth? Where's the growth?
Speaker 6 (19:20):
Well, increasingly, and this has been very good. We're not
so much seeing the growth in government anymore. We're seeing
much more growth in leisure and hospitality. We're seeing growth
in the healthcare sector. Now the healthcare sector is not
great in terms of the overall economy because a lot
of those jobs are actually still paid for.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
EJ.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
And Tony the chief economist from the Heritage Foundation. Uh,
and we're.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Going to continue on EJ. Thanks a lot man, have
a great week.
Speaker 6 (19:50):
Oh thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Absolutely, we'll be right back.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Don't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Promoting American industry.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
This is Made in America with Rich Rothman.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Well, welcome back to Made in America. This is just terrific.
We're having a lot of fun today. We've been talking
about numbers and the job report, and you know what's
really going on with the numbers, and the numbers go
up and then a few months later they go down,
and we discussed it how we're related to the Biden
administration and how it related to Obama, and how the
numbers were used for political reasons, which they are from everybody.
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But certainly it doesn't look good when for the last
four years the numbers were reduced by eight hundred thousand.
Goldman sacks that it should have been closer to a
million of jobs that never even existed, you know, fantasy jobs.
This is something you can probably bet on and go
to barstool and bet on it. Anyway, I am delighted
to welcome Captain Ross. Rusty Ross, Rusty Aimer and Rusty
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is the CEO of Aero Consulting Experts, which to me
and I'm looking at these numbers, I'm looking at these people.
These are the guys if you're taking it. Next time
I go to Hong Kong, I'm taking this guy. This
guy's got to fly me. Oh my god, just an
amazing amount. Captain, welcome the Maiden America.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Thank you very much. Rich welcome on board.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
And don't forget put your trade tables in the upright position.
By the way, I have to tell you this, Ross,
I was married to a flight attendant who was the
in flight supervisor for nine years on an international airline.
And she was the in flight supervisor and she had
thirteen folks working underneath her on a DC ten.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So get you the dates, you know, and that was
a big deal.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Oh, many guys like you said that was the ugliest
plane that they were embarrassed with the DC ten.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
They didn't like the look of the plane, you know,
with that engine.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It was a beautiful airplane. I flew it for a
short time in comparison to the seven four seven, But
there was nothing wrong with the DC ten. It was
a great airplane.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I thought it was great. I mean I flew it.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I mean, I can't even tell you how many times
I passed road. I passed road twenty two times to
London out of Miami. Oh, I mean for.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Thirty three dollars.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Thirty three dollars, I'm going first class round trip to London.
I went there so long, and the customs guys knew me,
and they would say, hey, Rick, you got anything to declare?
And I said no, and they would look at me,
shake their heads and go pity, very pity.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's just it was fun.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Hey, listen, I got to talk. I'm really concerned. There
is a mystique to flying. I know that because I.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Helped my wife become a flight attendant. At least in
that marriage. I helped my wife become a flight attendant.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So I got to know all the you know, the
three letter codes, because she had to know all the
codes around the world to get to be where she
was but but there's an energy, there's something very special.
You walk into an airport, there is an energy factor
there that is just unbelievable. And I don't think a
lot of other industries that just don't have that.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It really is.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
You can feel it, you inhale it, when you get
into an airport, you feel it on the plane. There's
an attitude about it. Having said that, Captain, I am.
I'm concerned about Boeing, and I want to discuss this
a little bit and then we'll talk about your company too.
I'm concerned about Boeing from my point of view, and
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I have to tell you, I flew all.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Over the world a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I'm a former chair of the World Trade Center, Vice
chair of the World Trade Center, on the board of
the World Trade Center. I know a lot of people
in the building. One that came down just amazing that
I've been around the world and did so much. And
I have to tell you, and this goes with just
about all my fellow buddies who are doing the same
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thing as I did. I would check the equipment ross
and if it was a Boeing, I would take the flight.
If it was you know, you know, a European manufactured
plane airbus, I would probably not take it. It's one
of the reasons that I kind of liked Virgin Atlantic.
But in some ways I didn't like Virgin Atlantic because
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I had a proclivity to fly the you know, the airbus,
different flight, different equipment out of m i A into
a Heathrow, and so I've always had a very good
feeling about Boeing. To me, it was the consummate technology
firm in the United States putting out amazing products. So
it bothers me when I see the media picking up
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on this and all these accidents that suddenly suddenly sprung
up in the last few years and like a tire
coming off and whatever, and then making.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
A big deal about that.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And I guess you should to a degree, but it
upset me that that Boeing took a hit. So let's
talk for a second. Do you feel the same way
about Boeing. Did you have a an embracement to that
form of technology, that company that produced the airplane?
Speaker 2 (25:05):
What do you think as.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
An incredibly powerful pilot, what do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I did Rich Boeing, You obviously was my favorite airplane,
first airplane I ever flew in nineteen sixty four as
a twenty year old, brand new second officer. My first
airplane was a seven oh seven. So I grew up
with Boeing, and like you said, the word the saying
(25:32):
was if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going. But badly
that it's changed considerably and Boeing is not the engineering
excellence that it was many years ago. There are a
lot of changes at Boeing, sadly, and what we see
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and hear is now the result of that.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
So when we see these things occurring, you know, I
why do you suppose that happened? How could one of
the most incredible technology company manufacturing companies in the world,
certainly in the top top, top, top tier of the
United States and started and run by some of the
most incredible men in the aviation industry. I mean, who's
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the guy who took the seven oh seven on a
test fight with the pr and he did a barrel
roll with it.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I'm trying to remember the guy's name. Who was the pilot.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I can't right, that's pilot.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I mean this guy was just unbelievable. So and there
was a wonderful plane. I mean, the seven o seven
really set the stage for you know, globalization that we
have today. I would think, you know, we have to
thank the folks who created that.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But how did the industry?
Speaker 3 (26:49):
How did that company? And I'm serious, I mean how
does it go from where it was to today? And
then I have another type of a question to ask
relating to that. But what I mean this is just
these are just you.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Know, opinions, not fact, just opinions. But how do you
feel why did it go that way?
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Well, in a few short words, it went from an
excellent engineering company to a only for profit run by
being counters. Originally Boeing. Bill Boeing was an amazing engineer,
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and then guys like Joe Sutter, the father of seven
forty seven. These these guys were literally called the incredibles.
There's a story about it. I was in a documentary
a while back talking about Boeing seven four seven and
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this guy, Joe Sutter, was a young engineer, came out
of the Navy and his task was to build literally
from ground upon seven seven in basically less than a
year over a shake a handshake between Bill Boeing and
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Juan Trip of pan App. But sadly all of that
change into quarterly profits, and that fantastic engineering company just
went away and it was just like any other company
that is there only to make profits for the shareholders.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
So all right.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So in so doing, you know, they eroded the primary
factor that made it so special. And you could weep
for that because there was so much faith in their product,
I mean incredible. I never doubted for a second about Boeing,
never had second thought, and I said, I don't today.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
You know, I'll tell you what I do.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Get concerned with the same thing that you're talking about
with Boeing caps.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Is what I'm.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Concerned when I you know, read about like I'm just
gonna use names of airlines. Done necessarily the one that
had the problem, but it could be you know, American Airlines.
I'm very very close, very close to the folks that
American you know, Peter Delar was a good close friend
of mine, Bob Tronio, whole bunch of guys. So when
they made Miami the second hub, you know for Latin America,
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because we're in the I'm.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
In Miami and we are the gateway and we.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Have the most incredible flights into Latin America and are
in you know, Ralph does. Ralph Cootie does a phenomenal
job at m i A, as did all the others,
going back to Dick Judy when he made it an
international airport. But but you know, I really feel that
when when you hear about some of.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
These problems a door coming off or something.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Like that, that's got to be the It cannot be
Boeming's fault to a degree when it's years later, It
just can't be.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
It's got to be I mean, am I wrong?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Shouldn't it be the maintenance of the airline that really
is checking this stuff out and making sure that you know,
the tire is a cool, the doors are going to
stay on, windows are going to blow out, part of
the roof's not going to fly off as in Hawaii.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, am I am?
Speaker 3 (30:06):
I listen, I'm in the if I don't know, I'm
lay it to You're not. You're the professional.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 1 (30:14):
The answer is yes or no. Quality control of manufacturing
is the most important part of airplane building or with
anything that you make. You know, but we're talking about
an aircraft in the air We're not talking about a
lawn war. So you need utmost engineering and quality control
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and Unfortunately Boeing lost both of those in the past
few years. Yes, maintenance is extremely important with an airline,
and top airlines do think about it all the time.
It's the utmost importance to them. But you have to
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have a product that has been built with quality control
and a good engineering company like Boeing or the best.
At one time, it changed their direction. They lost their
quality controlled. The bean counters were deciding what goes in
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an airplane instead of aerospace engineers. So all those changes
kind of permeated to what we see today. Things falling
off airplanes. We never saw that in the past. Yes,
we did have crashes in the old days, just like
we do now, but technology got better and better. But
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in case of Boeing, they just lost their way.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Can they get it back?
Speaker 1 (31:56):
They can get it back. Yes, we needed another shutter
or one of those incredibles Incredibles they actually called those,
that group of Boeing engineers and workers under Joe Sutter
that build the seven forty seven incredibles because they really
achieved an incredible task. What happened was when Juan Tripp
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of PanAm and build Bowing shook hand over the seven
forty seven and they Boeing hired this brand new engineer
out of the Navy by the name of Joe Sutter,
and he performed a miracle. First, he built that enormous
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hangar in Everett, Washington, in one of the wettest winners
in the Pacific Northwest. Literally moved a forest into the
biggest building and it started building the seven four seven
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at the same time. That's why they call those guys incredibles.
And we need a bunch of incredibles again, somebody like
Joe Sutter to take Boeing back to where they were,
bring back those engineers from the Pacific Northwest that were
incredible workers with great work ethics. It can be done,
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but it's a big task. But they need somebody other
than a bean counter at the helm.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it's one of
the things that I do. The show Made in America.
I did it for many, many years, many years, you know,
fifteen years with my partner Neil Asberry, and we're very
proud of America. We talk about American manufacturing job creation.
You know, in the day, American manufacturing was the key
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manufacturing location in the world. You wanted products made in America.
We have the highest standards, the best workforce, you know,
incredible energy. I mean, it's just a wonderful, wonderful place
to work, and I'm very proud of it. That's why
I do the show. But when we see this happen,
you would hope. I think it's very important that Boeing
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gets it together because Boeing is very visible everyone. I mean,
if you think about the people, the number of people
that touch their products, it's millions of people every day.
It's not like someone's going to go out and buy
a case of coke or something like that. This is
serious stuff and this is stuff that lives depend on it.
You know, when you're flying at forty seven thousand feet
forty five thousand feet, thirty seven thousand feet, you want
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to know you have dependability and you have faith and
integrity of the product that you're on.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
You can't play around with that. You cannot play around
with that.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So having said that, yeah, let me just really quick,
what's your take on India?
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Why did that? I looked at the video, it's horrific.
Why did that plank look like it never got up?
What happened?
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Do you think we don't know yet? And I don't
want to speculate. In fact, there's an incredible amount of
false information on the Internet. Everybody is now pretending to
be and the aviation expertise load and experienced pilots have
YouTube channels, every one of them, and they claim they
(35:20):
know exactly what happened. Right now as we speak, we
don't know yet. The good thing is that they've discovered
both the data and the voice recorder. Also a particular
thing that is unique to the seven eighty seven. They
have an outside camera for the pilots to look in
(35:41):
the wheels and the tail and everything, and also has
a camera that records what happens in the cabin of
the aircraft, not the cockpit cabin and the outside. So
they have these three items in their position the investigators,
and hopefully they will discover exactly what happened. But as
(36:04):
of Dispin it all is congestion and we don't know
what happened yet, but we will find out what happened.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
I have no doubt and I'm probably in four years
from now on air disaster because I watched that. I'm
going to read about it and watch it and understand it.
But just it just broke my heart when I saw that.
You know, I knew a lot.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I still do. A lot of people in the industry.
A good number of them.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Are retired because this goes back to the eighties when
they were flying a lot of military cats.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
A lot of guys who are in the military.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Some people that I mean, I want if there's a
problem in a plane, I want.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Them in the left seat. They're just remarkable guys.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
Rusty real quick, give me, give me the fifteen second speech.
Aero consulting experts. Who are you guys?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
We're a bunch of mainly retired pilots. We have a
few current pilots, airline pilots, military commercial that got together
and made this company, basically for in case of aviation litigation.
(37:15):
They use us as expert witnesses. We also do obviously
anytime there's a crash, they call one of us. They
think I know something. I must have fooled them somewhere,
and I.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Love about that. You know a lot, But I.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Always say, in cases of the brand new crash, we
don't know yet. And in many cases, whatever we say
the first couple of days it turns out to be
completely wrong. But all you hear these days, like I said,
is misinformation and it's for some reason it's exploded on
(37:57):
social media. And every one of these guys claims that
they know exactly what happened to that Air India crash,
that seven eight seven, But so far they don't. Nobody
knows that. But fortunately r MTSB, British Air Investigation and
(38:20):
Indian they're working together. Also, Boeing is involved in this
crash investigation because that was their airplane. He will be
involved because it was their engine. And hopefully we'll find
out exactly what happened to that aircraft. But you know,
saying I know exactly what happened, and by the way,
(38:42):
I do have my theory, but I don't want to
tank the process by saying no, no, no, we'll.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Cut you back on. We're going to get you back.
You're cool anyway. I love the ABA industry. We're going
to get to be friends. Rustly, Hey, real.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Quick, five seconds. Did they call you for the movie Sully?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
They didn't. They didn't call me. But I'm one of
the things I do is I'm a TA technical assistant
in some aviation movies. I think I'm getting too old
to use me personally. But no, they didn't call me for.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Sally great film. I just that was amazing. I mean,
I grew up in New York.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I can't imagine landing in the Hudson River in the wintertime,
in freezing cold water and everybody walks away kind of
that's unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Well, the joke was that Sully took landed in the
in the river because he didn't want to go to Newark, right,
But no, you could have got.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
The Teterborough didn't. He didn't think he'd make it. I
guess that's what he said in the film. Anyway, he
didn't like I said.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
The joke was the a traffic controller said Newark is
to your right. He says, hell, no, I'm going into
the river.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
But great, fantastic, great life.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Yeah, you're right anyway, Captain Ross Rusty Ahmer, CEO of
Aero Consulting Experts, just just bloody great that you're on
the show. Really enjoy talking to you. We're gonna have
to get you back soon.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Thank you, pleasure, Rich, thank you, all right, you all take.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Care, thank you.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
We're going to be right back with some forwards. Okay,
welcome back to MEADI in America. This is Rich Roffman.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
I'm delighted to have you here. It was a great
show today.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, I'm very intrigued with the numbers and the
job numbers, and you know that we continue to grow.
We're not creating the full time jobs that we want,
but you're creating a heck of a lot of part
time jobs. And interesting, they were really cutting back on,
you know, government jobs, and I think that's spectacular. You know,
if in fact we're going to cut back on expenses
in the government. You know, the government are not job
creators as such, and that's supposed to be job creators.
(40:54):
It's the small, mid sized companies in the private sector.
Those are the ones that create the most number of
jobs in this country. And I'm really interested that, you know,
e J and Tony, the chief economist from the Heritage Foundation,
was coming on the show. I also find it interesting
that captains such as Captain Ross Rusty Eimer, the CEO
of Aero Consulting Experts, he was on and we talked
(41:16):
about bowling and uh, what happens when you take Since
we're called made in America and Boeing is the ultimate
made in America, how do you how does a company
that's at the pinnacle of success doing so spectacularly well,
then suddenly turn it around and go onoin to eighty
(41:37):
and go ying to the yang and they start putting
out you know, so they tell us in the media,
and I'm concerned about that because I think the media
really talks in certain ways that they shouldn't. You know that,
you know, Boeing's are just not the company that we
thought it was. And because of all the reason and
you know, Rusty was telling us. Captain Rusty was telling
us that, you know, they went they went for the
(41:59):
bottom line first, and they let the mission of the company,
the statement of the company, the mission statement of the company,
which is to produce the best of the best of
the best for those who are forty thousand feet. Because
when you're flying at forty thousand feet and you're approaching
you know, you know, five hundred and ten miles an hour,
and particularly and I've flown the concord twice, let me
(42:20):
tell you something. When you're flying the concord and you're
going one three hundred and eighty miles an hour, which
is twice basically depending upon the height and the heat
that's outside the plane, you're twice the speed of sound.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
And you want to have the best of the best
of the best.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
And because it's very unforgiving when you're going that fast,
that high, if something happens, it's unforgiving. So you really
want to get that back. And I think it's very.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
Important for America for those of us who are.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Listening get back behind Boeing, and those are boeing, get
your act together, change what you're doing, because you are
what we are all about. You're a physical manifestation of
why we say Made in America is the best play
too well manufactured goods. So I guess we're running out
of time. We're gonna see you next week. Right here,
We've got incredible stuff coming up for you. If you
(43:08):
want to get a hold of me, it's Rich at
rich Roffman dot com.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
R O F F M A N. Send me a
note and now I'm gonna be delighted.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
I will get back to you if you get me
your emails, and I will listen to what you're saying.
If there are topics, if there are really interesting companies
that you want to have me cover and bring some
of these CEOs on the show, I'm delighted to do
it for you all. You've got to do is send
me a note at rich at rich Roffman dot com
and I'll follow up for you and I'll make things happen.
(43:35):
But I want to thank you so much for being
with us today on the show. We're gonna be back
next week and we're gonna have some incredible material for you.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
So you take care, see you next week.
Speaker 5 (43:45):
Fine,
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