October 9, 2025 • 32 mins
NASA and Blue Origin are preparing to launch two spacecraft to Mars. Dream Chaser is preparing to debut as a free-flying spacecraft in 2026. ESA's TGO has gotten some slightly closer images of 3I/Atlas. And we have new evidence that Enceladus has favorable conditions for life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
that's your own risk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
When made of stars, made them stars, madies. When made
us stars, you could be from high they would new Mexicomas.
Where all stars?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
When we are made of stars.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I'm Wes Carrol, joined by my good friend doctor Sean
Cruise from Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good to be here today.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We got some pretty cool stories today, some update stories.
I guess these are all Are they all follow up stories?
Maybe we got one kind of new story towards the end,
but it's well, it's kind of a follow up story,
I guess in a way, I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I think they might all be follow up stories. So
if you're a regular listener to the podcast, you're going
to have some inside scoops here on the background for
these stories. But we have the latest developments.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
There you go, and at least one of these stories
is when we've been talking about at least since radio.
So I'm excited about that one. That's the second story.
We'll get to that one coming up in a minute. First,
let's start with this double team with NASA and Blue
Origin getting ready to launch two spacecraft Mars YEP.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And so the story about the NASA mission is an
important story. We I think covered it on a previous podcast,
But to me, the the most interesting part of this
story is the Blue Origin part of the story. So
NASA and Blue Origin have teamed up for the launch
of a brand new Mars exploring mission called Escapade. And
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of course this is a strained acronym. This is what
we do, right, So it's the Escape and Plasma Acceleration
and Dynamics Explorers and that's Explorer's plural. There's two of them, right,
So it's one mission, two spacecraft, and the launch date
being targeted right now is early November of this year,
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twenty twenty five, to launch these two vehicles up to Mars.
And yes, there's a very interesting story behind the vehicles,
but most of the really interesting part of the story
to me is the fact that Blue Origin will be
launching its new Glen rocket. This is its massive moon
capable launch vehicle, equivalent in class at least to the
(03:00):
Saturn five rocket to SpaceX's Starship rocket, And so this
is a very important launch vehicle for its own purposes.
And so just knowing that this vehicle is capable of
putting payloads out into the Solar System and on their
way to Mars is a really important development just in
the whole space industry in general. So, so yes, the
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Mars mission from NASA very important, but also very important
watching this brand new heavy lift rocket from Blue Origin
and seeing as it goes through its paces, is it
going to be a reliable heavy lift launch vehicle going
into the future.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, and to call it a you know, moon capable
rocket if they're sending it to Mars, I guess this
is also part of the Well, can we now call
this a Mars capable rocket, which obviously has a slightly
different classification for it. And this is the second test
flight for this vehicle.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, that's right. So the first time vehicle flew, everything
went pretty much flawlessly until they tried to land and
recapture the main stage, and of course that didn't go well.
But everything up to that point went flawlessly, So it's
going to be a very interesting mission to see, of course,
whether the Blue Origin rocket works. But then also these
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two twin spacecraft are heading to the orbit of Mars
to be able to study Mars solar weather. So we
talk a lot about space weather here on the planet Earth. Well,
Mars is also subject to that same space weather due
to its interaction with the Sun, and so these vehicles
are going to go out and really study the effects
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of the solar wind on the Martian atmosphere and magnetic field,
both of which are very very thin and low magnitude
compared to that of the Earth.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
And we talk about this all the different career options
and things, because obviously what you guys do there at
the Cocola Space Science Center it's about creating interest and
excitement things for stem and careers. And I have a
budding meteorologist in my home. I trust him. I want
a Gabby by the way for covering a storm once.
(05:16):
But I have a child in my house who I
trust him with his weather knowledge much better than my own.
And I keep telling him, hey, I know weather is
your thing, but just know that we now have this,
you know, Mars weather is a career option out there
for folks, and it just we like to point those
things out. Career options. You know, there's things out there
(05:37):
that maybe you haven't quite thought of. Most people think, oh,
if I took a job at SpaceX, or if I
took a job at Blue Origin or took a job at.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
NASA, this would be what I would be doing.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I would be you know, you know, I have to
be an astronaut or have to be someone working on
the ground. There's other options, there's other career things when
it comes to working for those companies. That's all I'm
pointing out.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, so a general solid background in science will get
you a lot of different career options and a lot
of different possibilities. And that includes that includes forecasting both
atmospheric kinds of weather but also space weather on the
planet Mars when we go up there and colonize the place. Right, So, yes,
all of those future careers which the future is getting
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closer friends, I mean, the plan is to ever be
full on Mars by twenty thirty five. That's just a
decade away, right, So just in perspective, we're talking about
having boots on the ground, not on the moon only
but also on Mars in the next ten years. So
these are not like some kind of sci fi fantasy
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type career. These are futures that are just right around
the corner in terms of what the proposal for the
American space program is.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
And there's going to be people a need for people
here still on Earth to break down data and all
that stuff. So it's not just about being an astronaut,
all right. This is one that goes back to radio
as We've been talking about this really really cool looking
ship for a while, and I'm glad you included an
image when you sent me over some notes on it
(07:13):
today because i just always like looking at it, and
I'm mad at myself that I haven't been following it
more closely to I don't know, just look at it.
I'm gonna take I'm a save this image right now,
and that way I can maybe even make it my desktop,
and that way I can just look at it anytime.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
It looks like this is that we're and by the way,
we're talking about now this next story about the Dream Chaser,
and I'll let you go into the specifics on this,
but this is a spacecraft that is moving forward yet again,
we're a step closer to this becoming a reality. But
it looks like the Space Shuttle and a dolphin mat
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it and this is what we got, and that's what
That's the only way I can describe what this thing
looks like. But also that has a giant, you know,
rocket attached to the back of it. So this thing
looks cool, and I'm just excited that we're a little
bit closer to the reality of this thing going to space.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So you and I again, for those longtime listeners, they
may have heard us discuss this before, but for everyone else,
Wes and I have been a very big fan of
the of the Dream Chaser space plane for a number
of years, dating even before we did the podcast, all
the way back to when we had our radio show
together on the air. We like it. It's a cool
(08:29):
looking vehicle, and you know, I like your Space Shuttle
and dolphin uh you know, child of uh kind of analogy.
I think it maybe looks a bit more like an Orca,
you know, like an Orca and the Space Shuttle started dating,
they fell in love, and now we have a Dream Chaser.
Maybe it is maybe.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
They somehow both went into that little teleporting thing from
the movie The Fly, you know, at the same time,
and they both came out on the other side. Maybe
that if you don't want to have to get into
the Birds and the Beast talk, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
If you have no idea what we're talking about, first
of all, it's probably better. But second of all, just
go out and search Dream Chaser and check out this
new space vehicle. It's from Sierra Space. Now it's not
really new, it's just being newly developed for a new contract.
That's the interesting part. The dream Chaser has never really
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flown human beings to space, but the dream Chaser has
been being developed by what used to be the Sierra
Nevada Corporation and they now have changed their name to
Sierra Space. So Sierra Space is a company that is
manufacturing the dream Chaser, which is a small scale space
plane again think of the Space Shuttle, but much smaller
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and a bit more, a bit more aerodynamic and curvy
looking just quite honestly, it's where it gets. It's kind
of Orca dolphin look to it. Anyway. So the vehicle, though,
is made to launch vertically on a rock and then
come down and land on a runway just like the
Giant Space Shuttle did, only on a much smaller scale. Well,
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NASA has been working with Sierra Space to try to
get this vehicle, and it's really unique and important design
into their arsenal in a lot of different ways. And
they had written a contract for Sierra Nevada to go
up and take supplies to the International Space Station, then
to bring garbage back down from the International Space Station
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and burn up in the atmosphere. That wasn't even it
wasn't even going to come back down on land. It
was just simply going to burn up little space dolphins
in the atmosphere. But fortunately that contract is no longer
valid because we don't want to see any space dolphins
burn up in the atmosphere. So what the new reorganized
contract between NASA and Sierra Space is doing is to
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prepare this vehicle to become an independent flyer in space,
or as the wording on the article from New Atlas
dot Com says, it's a free flyer. It's a free
flyer instead of going up and docking with the International
Space Station, it's going to be flying its own missions
to orbit, then coming back down and landing on the
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runway itself. This is for a post International Space Station era,
an era where in low Earth orbit human spaceflight will
not be relying on the International Space Station. They will
be going up in either autonomous vehicles that will just
perform their own missions, or they will go up and
be docking to commercial space stations like those currently being
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constructed by Axiom Space and other space industry contractors. So
that's the new thing for the dream Chaser. And also
it's preparing for work in the defense and intelligence industry.
So that's another part of the new contract with NASA.
It's preparing for it's preparing for those future use scenarios.
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The thing is wes. This thing looks a lot like
the United States Air Forces version of a space plane.
It's called the X thirty seven B, and we've covered
the X thirty seven B here on the podcast. It's
had many successful missions to space already. It doesn't look
entirely unlike that vehicle, right, So there are some similarities
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and there'll be some similar use scenarios for the Sierra
Nevada or i should say, Sierospace Dreamchaser compared to the
Air Force's X thirty seven B.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You and I are big fans of the Shuttle and
the Shuttle program. We were really disappointed when they shut
that down. And I think most people, like especially anybody
my age. I'm a gen X kid. I'm fifty and
I grew up in that time when the Shuttle program
got really hot, a lot of talk about it, a
lot of excitement about it. I just think it's cool
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to see that there's like this, this sort of continuation
of it. I know it's different in so many ways,
but it still just has that feel of that you
see this thing, you know, you look at it and
you kind of it's hard not to think about the Shuttle,
and then when you think about it coming back down,
landing on a runway, I can already imagine it being
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transported around on the back of a plane from one
one spot to another. All those cool things that we
loved about the Shuttle that were so cool, and it
does it's got its own look. It just it feels
like they've you know, taken some old classic car and
refurbished it for use and they've said, yeah, we're going
to release this new version of this car and you're
all going to love it again.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And of course people do.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
They it's hard not to go back to something that
so many people were such a big fan of. So
it's kind of exciting to know that this thing is
a little bit closer to its eventual mission.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
For a period of thirty years, from nineteen eighty one
to twenty eleven, the Space Shuttle was our spaceship. It
was America's space ship. So if you ask any child
from that era to draw a picture of a spaceship,
they we're going to draw something that looked like the
(14:08):
NASA Space Shuttle, right. So that's why I think maybe
just the look of this vehicle kind of resonates with
people like you and me because it looks like what
we would call a spaceship. We don't necessarily think of
a capsule as a spaceship, and yes, certainly capsules are spaceships,
but again that childlike instinct to think of a spaceship
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as something looking like a Space shuttle and has wings.
It can both be in space and in our own
atmosphere and be perfectly at home in either environment. That's
what this looks like, right. So again it's just esthetically
interesting to me. I just like the way the vehicle looks,
and I wish a Sierra space the best of luck
with this new venture with NASA.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Coming up after a quick break, we have a visitor
to our solar system from beyond, a fresh new look
at it. We'll talk about that next. There's been so
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many movies made about things coming to visit us from
beyond our solar system. So whenever we have a story
about something that's visiting us from beyond our solar system,
it's always a good it's always a good day. And
then and when it gets spotted again by something that's
able to get us, you know, a nice close up
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photo of it, that's exciting too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Also exciting. I've seen a couple of these preview photos.
I don't know if I would call them close up,
but they're early photos. How about that? Early photos of
this object? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
They're closer up than we've seen before though, right, I mean,
is this the most close up photo we've got or.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It for sure is in terms of the actual space distance. Yes.
So here's what's happening, friends. It's all relative, baby, that it is.
It's all relative. Right now as we speak, there's this
weird interstellar comment called three I Atlas. And if you're
on Facebook at all and you do anything with space,
you realize that a lot of people think it's a spaceship,
(16:21):
you know, that made to look like a rock. I guess.
I guess they think the Aliens would have to disguise
their spaceship as rocks. So, for some reason, I don't
know why, I.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Think we've hit a point. And we don't do politics.
This is just me throwing out an observation. In general,
I think we've officially hit a point in society where
our starting line, our baseline, is conspiracy, and then we
have to like back ourselves down from it, if we're
even capable. In many cases, we can't even do that,
(16:52):
so we have to start at well, clearly, it must
be an alien spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know. My favorite such news stories are the ones
that include the phrase you know, some people say, yeah,
some people say some people say that comment three Eye
Outlis is actually a spacecraft. Well, you can find some
people that'll say just about anything, friends. So I'm here
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to say it's my expert opinion that I do not
believe in any manner that commet three Eye Outlis is
a spacecraft. But people would say, well, some people say,
but it could be.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I mean, that's the real I love that as the
defense of it. There's a story that's floating around online
now about somebody stealing people's credit cards, a waitress stealing
credit cards and buying little phone games or something with it,
and people have been sharing it. When people point out
it's fake, the response has been, but it could have happened.
It could have You can't art. You're right, you've just
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made a point that can't be disputed. It could be
that very thing. This could be. There's a chance it
could be full of little green men. Well, let's maybe
we'll start with this. Did this closest up photo that
we've gotten give us a look at little green men?
Can we start there? And if not, and we can
say it could just be a rock.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, NASA already knows there's aliens West. They would
never show you the picture of them waving from the
point from the rock shaped spacecraft from another solar system,
but they could.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Show us the photo, well they could.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I mean, they probably already have these photos, but they're
not going to share them with us ever. No, no, no, well,
I'm sorry, that's a different podcast. Let's get back to
this podcast. It's not an alien vehicle, it's a comment. Okay,
But it did come from another solar system. It's pretty cool.
And over the last several days it's been making a
near pass to the planet Mars. Now, when we say
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near pass, nineteen million miles, So I mean, you know,
I wouldn't want to run that distance on Earth. No,
I wouldn't want to run that. But nineteen million miles
in terms of space, well, you know that's relatively nearby, right,
That's that's you know, like a tenth of mars distance
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from from Mars to the Sun for instance, right, So
so in terms of Mars distances, yeah, it's close by.
And so all the vehicles, all the little spacecraft on Mars,
they turned the little cameras which are normally used for
taking pictures of little rocks and geological features and things
like that, and they pointed them up skyward and they
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tried to catch pictures of the interstellar comet three iye
Atlas as it was zipping by the red planet. And
so this was particularly done by a suite of European
Space Agency spacecraft. The first one is the Exo Mars
Trace Gas Orbiter, we know it as TGO. So Exo
Mars TGO focused its camera up toward the sky and
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got a quote unquote close up of three I Atlas. Now, friends,
if you go at actually look at these images, yes
you can tell it's a comet, but that's about all
you can tell. It's not resolved well enough to actually
see the little green arms of the Aliens from another
star system waving out the windows, so you're not going
to see that. But you know, the interesting thing is
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is gathering data that helps us understand the vehicle better.
And also the Mars Express Orbiter, another European Space Agency
spacecraft which has been circling the red planet since two
thousand and three, it also attempted to photograph the comet.
They're still downloading those images. We don't have confirmation whether
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or not the Mars Express captured it. But the Space
Agency has a third vehicle out there, and this one's
not a Mars vehicle. This one's actually on the way
to Jupiter, but it's going to get a glimpse of
three I Atlas on the second of November. That vehicle
is called JUICE. That's an acronym. It is a acronym
(21:00):
for Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer. Juice.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, JAYU I'm still struggling a little bit with that one.
But well, where's the X, where's the R? I don't know, Juice.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I'm looking at it written out and I'm just seeing
those capital letters in there, going okay, well that works,
I mean kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I mean, you know, it's not that we're above making
fun of various space agency acronyms on this show.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So this may be the most strained one. I don't
know that we've seen a more strained one.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But that's a good way to say it. Yeah, this
is among the most strained acronyms that we have ever
seen from a space agency. But anyway, the Juice vehicle
will be taking pictures of three I atlas on its
way to Jupiter on November second, So there you have
that going for you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
And just as far as this distance, the nineteen million
miles passing by Mars, I think that may be a
way to describe this, to say that it's not you know,
it's close, but it's not really close. I think if
you're on Mars and you're in a vehicle, it's probably
safe to put your arms out, you know, and they
tell you keep your arms in if you're going to
pass by something really close. You're probably safe on Mars
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to go ahead and just put your arms out the
window if you want to, You'll be fine. I think
that's I think that's safe.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think Mark Wattley would agree with you. You know,
space pirate, Mark Wattley's based pirate would stick his arms
out the window. Absolutely, that's right, all right.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
We like to cover stories that talk about possible life
in our Solar system, not necessarily on the rock that's
come from beyond our solar system, but favorable conditions at
least for life in our solar system. And we've been
tracking one particular moon where there's a possibility, and we're
getting some more evidence now that says it's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
There's there's a new study out of Germany from University
of Stuttgard and from the Freer University in burn In. Anyway,
this is a new study of ice geysers from the
moon of Saturn called Enceladus. So an ice geyser is
kind of like a volcano made of watery ice. So
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the little moon gets close enough to Saturn that Saturn's
gravity contorts the inner portion of the Moon with tidal forces.
It heats up the frozen water oceans underneath the surface
of Enceladus and it causes watery geysers to shoot off
into space. And we've known about these geysers since twenty
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seventeen when NASA's Cassini spacecraft was out there at Saturn
taking pictures. But the data from that spacecraft largely has
been archived, and so in this new study out of
these two German universities was to go back and look
at all the data from from Enceladus using the Cassini
spacecraft that data a bit more closely, and what they
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found is they've found some very interesting things inside the
plumes of water jetting off Enceladus and it includes organic molecules. Friends,
that's the important story here, So it's not just water.
That water actually contains the building blocks for life here
on the Earth, organic molecules and other things in the
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ice grains like precursors for amino acids. So there are
some important life building compounds that have been discovered from
these data from the Cassini spacecraft from many years ago.
With a reanalysis by two German universities, and they have
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come up with this very interesting finding. So a comment
from the spokesperson for the study says this Cassini was
detecting samples from Enceladus all the time it flew through
Saturn's e ering. That's one of the rings around Saturn.
So the quote goes on to say, we had already
found many organic molecules in these ice creams, including precursors
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from amino acids, and now they're able to verify some
of those some of those findings from before, and so
this is a really interesting and important study from that
moon Enceladus. It could be friends that as we search
for life out there in the universe, somewhere that those
destinations were actually finding the first life not from the
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Earth might be right here in our own solar system,
in either the moon Enceladus around Saturn, or in Court
of course in the or in the moon Europa around Jupiter.
Both of these have similar kinds of environments where they
have frozen water and other kinds of compounds in there.
And so this is a really interesting find making yet
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another location in our solar system a possible place to
find evidence of life.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
You guys, just a couple of days ago there at
the Cocola Space Science Center had the latest music under
the dome always a great time, always a fantastic show.
If you miss the first one for this season, guess what,
there's another one coming up next month.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There is, and I'm happy to announce that we will
have the same visual artist for the November show that
we had for the October show, and that's our very
own Lance tankers Lee, our director of our planetarium here
at Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. Lance
will also be doing the show all of the visuals
for the show on November fourth, which is the next
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upcoming concert, and it will be all the visuals will
be set and choreographed to the beautiful music being played
by the Schwobes School of Music faculty and students performing
live inside the Atmosphere Theater. Friends, if you've not been
to one of our Music under the Dome concerts, that
is a really great experience and you should buy tickets
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right away because they do tend to sell out. There
are tickets available right now for that November concert. Get
on our website www dot cc SC dot org, Charlie
Charlie Samsamcharlie dot org and get tickets for November fourth.
By the way, Wes you and I have a kind
of an exciting event coming up before November fourth.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
We do November first, just a few days before the
next music under the Dome, we will be taking Made
of Stars on location, or actually just bringing it there.
It's still a bit of a home game. We do
this show me from my studio at my home and
you from your office there at the Coca Cola Space
Science Center. So I mean we do half of the
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show each week basically from there anyway, but this time
we'll both be there and we'll be live inside the
planetarium there under the Dome. I mean, that's what we're
going to be doing. We'll be right there doing Made
of Stars live. We've not done this before with an audience.
We've had a small group of people around before, but
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we've never had a big group of people before to
do this. So we're hoping to fill up the auditorium there,
and we would love to have you. It's free. I mean,
we you know, want to pack the place out. We'd
love to get as many of you there as possible.
We've heard from many of you interested in coming to
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actually check out the show, so we're we're excited about
the folks. We've already heard from, but November the first
will be our very first Made of Stars Live. We
hope to make this a regular event, so if we
get a nice attendant, it's a nice turnout.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
No reason we can't do this again.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
It will be very similar to the show as far
as content goes, but obviously we'll have some things there
for those they'll be there attending live. So we're looking
forward to having you guys come out and check out
the show for us from Made of Stars Live. Now,
this is the other good part of this because you're
getting a two fer. Not only is it free for
you to come check out Made of Stars Live. Immediately
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after there's Astronomy Night, which will also go for the
great lolo price of free, so you can check out
Doctor Rosa Williams and her team will be showing you
the nighttime sky weather permitting, but also giving you a
breakdown on what's in the sky and what you'll have
a chance to look at there. So it'll be like
(29:28):
a full night of things. But we'll go back to back.
We'll do Made a Stars Live followed by Astronomy Night
there at the Coca Cola Space Science Center, and we
hope to see you there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Imagine this podcast as performance art. There you go, that's
what it's going to be. And by the way, for
those of you who have made it this far through
the podcast today, thank you for listening all the way
to the end. I promise to stop singing karaoke and
blowing out my voice before the next Before that live
podcast on the first of November, I will rehabilitate my voice.
(30:00):
I appreciate your patience getting this far. But yeah, we're
we're going to be you know, I imagine, you know,
Made of Stars as a stage performance. It's a first
for us and it's gonna be kind of interesting. We're
gonna have absolutely as much fun as we possibly can,
and then we're gonna go look at the sky with telescopes.
How bad could it be for the low price of
free ninety five? As Wes said, it's gonna be. It's
(30:21):
gonna be free of charge, and we're hoping you come
out and join us for that really fun event on
November first, here at the Space Sign Center. That is
a Saturday, by the way, so you know it's not
it's not like a workday for the majority of folks.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I would just like to also point this out speaking
of your voice, and I appreciate you were a trooper
to do this today with your your voice being a
bit strained. I just want to point out that like
a month ago, I had surgery on my neck that
involved a human being navigating medical instruments and implements around
all of my like esophagus and all of my voice box,
(30:57):
everything just moving around in there to get it to
my spine and do this surgery. My voice was a
little raspye, and we did the next show after that
with a little bit of rasp in my voice. And
I don't talk nearly as much as you do, and
yours sounds quite a bit more strained than I think
mine did back then, and you do the majority of
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Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
that's your own risk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
When made of stars, made them stars, madies. When made
us stars, you could be from high they would new Mexicomas.
Where all stars?
Speaker 4 (00:43):
When we are made of stars.
Speaker 5 (00:57):
I'm Wes Carrol, joined by my good friend doctor Sean
Cruise from Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good to be here today.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We got some pretty cool stories today, some update stories.
I guess these are all Are they all follow up stories?
Maybe we got one kind of new story towards the end,
but it's well, it's kind of a follow up story,
I guess in a way, I think it is.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I think they might all be follow up stories. So
if you're a regular listener to the podcast, you're going
to have some inside scoops here on the background for
these stories. But we have the latest developments.
Speaker 5 (01:32):
There you go, and at least one of these stories
is when we've been talking about at least since radio.
So I'm excited about that one. That's the second story.
We'll get to that one coming up in a minute. First,
let's start with this double team with NASA and Blue
Origin getting ready to launch two spacecraft Mars YEP.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
And so the story about the NASA mission is an
important story. We I think covered it on a previous podcast,
But to me, the the most interesting part of this
story is the Blue Origin part of the story. So
NASA and Blue Origin have teamed up for the launch
of a brand new Mars exploring mission called Escapade. And
(02:14):
of course this is a strained acronym. This is what
we do, right, So it's the Escape and Plasma Acceleration
and Dynamics Explorers and that's Explorer's plural. There's two of them, right,
So it's one mission, two spacecraft, and the launch date
being targeted right now is early November of this year,
(02:34):
twenty twenty five, to launch these two vehicles up to Mars.
And yes, there's a very interesting story behind the vehicles,
but most of the really interesting part of the story
to me is the fact that Blue Origin will be
launching its new Glen rocket. This is its massive moon
capable launch vehicle, equivalent in class at least to the
(03:00):
Saturn five rocket to SpaceX's Starship rocket, And so this
is a very important launch vehicle for its own purposes.
And so just knowing that this vehicle is capable of
putting payloads out into the Solar System and on their
way to Mars is a really important development just in
the whole space industry in general. So, so yes, the
(03:22):
Mars mission from NASA very important, but also very important
watching this brand new heavy lift rocket from Blue Origin
and seeing as it goes through its paces, is it
going to be a reliable heavy lift launch vehicle going
into the future.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
Well, and to call it a you know, moon capable
rocket if they're sending it to Mars, I guess this
is also part of the Well, can we now call
this a Mars capable rocket, which obviously has a slightly
different classification for it. And this is the second test
flight for this vehicle.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, that's right. So the first time vehicle flew, everything
went pretty much flawlessly until they tried to land and
recapture the main stage, and of course that didn't go well.
But everything up to that point went flawlessly, So it's
going to be a very interesting mission to see, of course,
whether the Blue Origin rocket works. But then also these
(04:19):
two twin spacecraft are heading to the orbit of Mars
to be able to study Mars solar weather. So we
talk a lot about space weather here on the planet Earth. Well,
Mars is also subject to that same space weather due
to its interaction with the Sun, and so these vehicles
are going to go out and really study the effects
(04:42):
of the solar wind on the Martian atmosphere and magnetic field,
both of which are very very thin and low magnitude
compared to that of the Earth.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
And we talk about this all the different career options
and things, because obviously what you guys do there at
the Cocola Space Science Center it's about creating interest and
excitement things for stem and careers. And I have a
budding meteorologist in my home. I trust him. I want
a Gabby by the way for covering a storm once.
(05:16):
But I have a child in my house who I
trust him with his weather knowledge much better than my own.
And I keep telling him, hey, I know weather is
your thing, but just know that we now have this,
you know, Mars weather is a career option out there
for folks, and it just we like to point those
things out. Career options. You know, there's things out there
(05:37):
that maybe you haven't quite thought of. Most people think, oh,
if I took a job at SpaceX, or if I
took a job at Blue Origin or took a job at.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
NASA, this would be what I would be doing.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I would be you know, you know, I have to
be an astronaut or have to be someone working on
the ground. There's other options, there's other career things when
it comes to working for those companies. That's all I'm
pointing out.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, so a general solid background in science will get
you a lot of different career options and a lot
of different possibilities. And that includes that includes forecasting both
atmospheric kinds of weather but also space weather on the
planet Mars when we go up there and colonize the place. Right, So, yes,
all of those future careers which the future is getting
(06:21):
closer friends, I mean, the plan is to ever be
full on Mars by twenty thirty five. That's just a
decade away, right, So just in perspective, we're talking about
having boots on the ground, not on the moon only
but also on Mars in the next ten years. So
these are not like some kind of sci fi fantasy
(06:44):
type career. These are futures that are just right around
the corner in terms of what the proposal for the
American space program is.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
And there's going to be people a need for people
here still on Earth to break down data and all
that stuff. So it's not just about being an astronaut,
all right. This is one that goes back to radio
as We've been talking about this really really cool looking
ship for a while, and I'm glad you included an
image when you sent me over some notes on it
(07:13):
today because i just always like looking at it, and
I'm mad at myself that I haven't been following it
more closely to I don't know, just look at it.
I'm gonna take I'm a save this image right now,
and that way I can maybe even make it my desktop,
and that way I can just look at it anytime.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I want to.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
It looks like this is that we're and by the way,
we're talking about now this next story about the Dream Chaser,
and I'll let you go into the specifics on this,
but this is a spacecraft that is moving forward yet again,
we're a step closer to this becoming a reality. But
it looks like the Space Shuttle and a dolphin mat
(07:50):
it and this is what we got, and that's what
That's the only way I can describe what this thing
looks like. But also that has a giant, you know,
rocket attached to the back of it. So this thing
looks cool, and I'm just excited that we're a little
bit closer to the reality of this thing going to space.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
So you and I again, for those longtime listeners, they
may have heard us discuss this before, but for everyone else,
Wes and I have been a very big fan of
the of the Dream Chaser space plane for a number
of years, dating even before we did the podcast, all
the way back to when we had our radio show
together on the air. We like it. It's a cool
(08:29):
looking vehicle, and you know, I like your Space Shuttle
and dolphin uh you know, child of uh kind of analogy.
I think it maybe looks a bit more like an Orca,
you know, like an Orca and the Space Shuttle started dating,
they fell in love, and now we have a Dream Chaser.
Maybe it is maybe.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
They somehow both went into that little teleporting thing from
the movie The Fly, you know, at the same time,
and they both came out on the other side. Maybe
that if you don't want to have to get into
the Birds and the Beast talk, maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
If you have no idea what we're talking about, first
of all, it's probably better. But second of all, just
go out and search Dream Chaser and check out this
new space vehicle. It's from Sierra Space. Now it's not
really new, it's just being newly developed for a new contract.
That's the interesting part. The dream Chaser has never really
(09:22):
flown human beings to space, but the dream Chaser has
been being developed by what used to be the Sierra
Nevada Corporation and they now have changed their name to
Sierra Space. So Sierra Space is a company that is
manufacturing the dream Chaser, which is a small scale space
plane again think of the Space Shuttle, but much smaller
(09:46):
and a bit more, a bit more aerodynamic and curvy
looking just quite honestly, it's where it gets. It's kind
of Orca dolphin look to it. Anyway. So the vehicle, though,
is made to launch vertically on a rock and then
come down and land on a runway just like the
Giant Space Shuttle did, only on a much smaller scale. Well,
(10:09):
NASA has been working with Sierra Space to try to
get this vehicle, and it's really unique and important design
into their arsenal in a lot of different ways. And
they had written a contract for Sierra Nevada to go
up and take supplies to the International Space Station, then
to bring garbage back down from the International Space Station
(10:31):
and burn up in the atmosphere. That wasn't even it
wasn't even going to come back down on land. It
was just simply going to burn up little space dolphins
in the atmosphere. But fortunately that contract is no longer
valid because we don't want to see any space dolphins
burn up in the atmosphere. So what the new reorganized
contract between NASA and Sierra Space is doing is to
(10:54):
prepare this vehicle to become an independent flyer in space,
or as the wording on the article from New Atlas
dot Com says, it's a free flyer. It's a free
flyer instead of going up and docking with the International
Space Station, it's going to be flying its own missions
to orbit, then coming back down and landing on the
(11:14):
runway itself. This is for a post International Space Station era,
an era where in low Earth orbit human spaceflight will
not be relying on the International Space Station. They will
be going up in either autonomous vehicles that will just
perform their own missions, or they will go up and
be docking to commercial space stations like those currently being
(11:39):
constructed by Axiom Space and other space industry contractors. So
that's the new thing for the dream Chaser. And also
it's preparing for work in the defense and intelligence industry.
So that's another part of the new contract with NASA.
It's preparing for it's preparing for those future use scenarios.
(12:01):
The thing is wes. This thing looks a lot like
the United States Air Forces version of a space plane.
It's called the X thirty seven B, and we've covered
the X thirty seven B here on the podcast. It's
had many successful missions to space already. It doesn't look
entirely unlike that vehicle, right, So there are some similarities
(12:21):
and there'll be some similar use scenarios for the Sierra
Nevada or i should say, Sierospace Dreamchaser compared to the
Air Force's X thirty seven B.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
You and I are big fans of the Shuttle and
the Shuttle program. We were really disappointed when they shut
that down. And I think most people, like especially anybody
my age. I'm a gen X kid. I'm fifty and
I grew up in that time when the Shuttle program
got really hot, a lot of talk about it, a
lot of excitement about it. I just think it's cool
(12:55):
to see that there's like this, this sort of continuation
of it. I know it's different in so many ways,
but it still just has that feel of that you
see this thing, you know, you look at it and
you kind of it's hard not to think about the Shuttle,
and then when you think about it coming back down,
landing on a runway, I can already imagine it being
(13:16):
transported around on the back of a plane from one
one spot to another. All those cool things that we
loved about the Shuttle that were so cool, and it
does it's got its own look. It just it feels
like they've you know, taken some old classic car and
refurbished it for use and they've said, yeah, we're going
to release this new version of this car and you're
all going to love it again.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And of course people do.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
They it's hard not to go back to something that
so many people were such a big fan of. So
it's kind of exciting to know that this thing is
a little bit closer to its eventual mission.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
For a period of thirty years, from nineteen eighty one
to twenty eleven, the Space Shuttle was our spaceship. It
was America's space ship. So if you ask any child
from that era to draw a picture of a spaceship,
they we're going to draw something that looked like the
(14:08):
NASA Space Shuttle, right. So that's why I think maybe
just the look of this vehicle kind of resonates with
people like you and me because it looks like what
we would call a spaceship. We don't necessarily think of
a capsule as a spaceship, and yes, certainly capsules are spaceships,
but again that childlike instinct to think of a spaceship
(14:30):
as something looking like a Space shuttle and has wings.
It can both be in space and in our own
atmosphere and be perfectly at home in either environment. That's
what this looks like, right. So again it's just esthetically
interesting to me. I just like the way the vehicle looks,
and I wish a Sierra space the best of luck
with this new venture with NASA.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Coming up after a quick break, we have a visitor
to our solar system from beyond, a fresh new look
at it. We'll talk about that next. There's been so
(15:21):
many movies made about things coming to visit us from
beyond our solar system. So whenever we have a story
about something that's visiting us from beyond our solar system,
it's always a good it's always a good day. And
then and when it gets spotted again by something that's
able to get us, you know, a nice close up
(15:42):
photo of it, that's exciting too.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Also exciting. I've seen a couple of these preview photos.
I don't know if I would call them close up,
but they're early photos. How about that? Early photos of
this object? Anyway?
Speaker 5 (15:54):
They're closer up than we've seen before though, right, I mean,
is this the most close up photo we've got or.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It for sure is in terms of the actual space distance. Yes.
So here's what's happening, friends. It's all relative, baby, that it is.
It's all relative. Right now as we speak, there's this
weird interstellar comment called three I Atlas. And if you're
on Facebook at all and you do anything with space,
you realize that a lot of people think it's a spaceship,
(16:21):
you know, that made to look like a rock. I guess.
I guess they think the Aliens would have to disguise
their spaceship as rocks. So, for some reason, I don't
know why, I.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Think we've hit a point. And we don't do politics.
This is just me throwing out an observation. In general,
I think we've officially hit a point in society where
our starting line, our baseline, is conspiracy, and then we
have to like back ourselves down from it, if we're
even capable. In many cases, we can't even do that,
(16:52):
so we have to start at well, clearly, it must
be an alien spacecraft.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know. My favorite such news stories are the ones
that include the phrase you know, some people say, yeah,
some people say some people say that comment three Eye
Outlis is actually a spacecraft. Well, you can find some
people that'll say just about anything, friends. So I'm here
(17:18):
to say it's my expert opinion that I do not
believe in any manner that commet three Eye Outlis is
a spacecraft. But people would say, well, some people say,
but it could be.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
I mean, that's the real I love that as the
defense of it. There's a story that's floating around online
now about somebody stealing people's credit cards, a waitress stealing
credit cards and buying little phone games or something with it,
and people have been sharing it. When people point out
it's fake, the response has been, but it could have happened.
It could have You can't art. You're right, you've just
(17:53):
made a point that can't be disputed. It could be
that very thing. This could be. There's a chance it
could be full of little green men. Well, let's maybe
we'll start with this. Did this closest up photo that
we've gotten give us a look at little green men?
Can we start there? And if not, and we can
say it could just be a rock.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I mean, NASA already knows there's aliens West. They would
never show you the picture of them waving from the
point from the rock shaped spacecraft from another solar system,
but they could.
Speaker 5 (18:27):
Show us the photo, well they could.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
I mean, they probably already have these photos, but they're
not going to share them with us ever. No, no, no, well,
I'm sorry, that's a different podcast. Let's get back to
this podcast. It's not an alien vehicle, it's a comment. Okay,
But it did come from another solar system. It's pretty cool.
And over the last several days it's been making a
near pass to the planet Mars. Now, when we say
(18:50):
near pass, nineteen million miles, So I mean, you know,
I wouldn't want to run that distance on Earth. No,
I wouldn't want to run that. But nineteen million miles
in terms of space, well, you know that's relatively nearby, right,
That's that's you know, like a tenth of mars distance
(19:10):
from from Mars to the Sun for instance, right, So
so in terms of Mars distances, yeah, it's close by.
And so all the vehicles, all the little spacecraft on Mars,
they turned the little cameras which are normally used for
taking pictures of little rocks and geological features and things
like that, and they pointed them up skyward and they
(19:31):
tried to catch pictures of the interstellar comet three iye
Atlas as it was zipping by the red planet. And
so this was particularly done by a suite of European
Space Agency spacecraft. The first one is the Exo Mars
Trace Gas Orbiter, we know it as TGO. So Exo
Mars TGO focused its camera up toward the sky and
(19:55):
got a quote unquote close up of three I Atlas. Now, friends,
if you go at actually look at these images, yes
you can tell it's a comet, but that's about all
you can tell. It's not resolved well enough to actually
see the little green arms of the Aliens from another
star system waving out the windows, so you're not going
to see that. But you know, the interesting thing is
(20:18):
is gathering data that helps us understand the vehicle better.
And also the Mars Express Orbiter, another European Space Agency
spacecraft which has been circling the red planet since two
thousand and three, it also attempted to photograph the comet.
They're still downloading those images. We don't have confirmation whether
(20:38):
or not the Mars Express captured it. But the Space
Agency has a third vehicle out there, and this one's
not a Mars vehicle. This one's actually on the way
to Jupiter, but it's going to get a glimpse of
three I Atlas on the second of November. That vehicle
is called JUICE. That's an acronym. It is a acronym
(21:00):
for Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer. Juice.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, JAYU I'm still struggling a little bit with that one.
But well, where's the X, where's the R? I don't know, Juice.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I'm looking at it written out and I'm just seeing
those capital letters in there, going okay, well that works,
I mean kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I mean, you know, it's not that we're above making
fun of various space agency acronyms on this show.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
So this may be the most strained one. I don't
know that we've seen a more strained one.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
But that's a good way to say it. Yeah, this
is among the most strained acronyms that we have ever
seen from a space agency. But anyway, the Juice vehicle
will be taking pictures of three I atlas on its
way to Jupiter on November second, So there you have
that going for you. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
And just as far as this distance, the nineteen million
miles passing by Mars, I think that may be a
way to describe this, to say that it's not you know,
it's close, but it's not really close. I think if
you're on Mars and you're in a vehicle, it's probably
safe to put your arms out, you know, and they
tell you keep your arms in if you're going to
pass by something really close. You're probably safe on Mars
(22:17):
to go ahead and just put your arms out the
window if you want to, You'll be fine. I think
that's I think that's safe.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think Mark Wattley would agree with you. You know,
space pirate, Mark Wattley's based pirate would stick his arms
out the window. Absolutely, that's right, all right.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
We like to cover stories that talk about possible life
in our Solar system, not necessarily on the rock that's
come from beyond our solar system, but favorable conditions at
least for life in our solar system. And we've been
tracking one particular moon where there's a possibility, and we're
getting some more evidence now that says it's a possibility.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
There's there's a new study out of Germany from University
of Stuttgard and from the Freer University in burn In. Anyway,
this is a new study of ice geysers from the
moon of Saturn called Enceladus. So an ice geyser is
kind of like a volcano made of watery ice. So
(23:18):
the little moon gets close enough to Saturn that Saturn's
gravity contorts the inner portion of the Moon with tidal forces.
It heats up the frozen water oceans underneath the surface
of Enceladus and it causes watery geysers to shoot off
into space. And we've known about these geysers since twenty
(23:40):
seventeen when NASA's Cassini spacecraft was out there at Saturn
taking pictures. But the data from that spacecraft largely has
been archived, and so in this new study out of
these two German universities was to go back and look
at all the data from from Enceladus using the Cassini
spacecraft that data a bit more closely, and what they
(24:02):
found is they've found some very interesting things inside the
plumes of water jetting off Enceladus and it includes organic molecules. Friends,
that's the important story here, So it's not just water.
That water actually contains the building blocks for life here
on the Earth, organic molecules and other things in the
(24:27):
ice grains like precursors for amino acids. So there are
some important life building compounds that have been discovered from
these data from the Cassini spacecraft from many years ago.
With a reanalysis by two German universities, and they have
(24:48):
come up with this very interesting finding. So a comment
from the spokesperson for the study says this Cassini was
detecting samples from Enceladus all the time it flew through
Saturn's e ering. That's one of the rings around Saturn.
So the quote goes on to say, we had already
found many organic molecules in these ice creams, including precursors
(25:13):
from amino acids, and now they're able to verify some
of those some of those findings from before, and so
this is a really interesting and important study from that
moon Enceladus. It could be friends that as we search
for life out there in the universe, somewhere that those
destinations were actually finding the first life not from the
(25:34):
Earth might be right here in our own solar system,
in either the moon Enceladus around Saturn, or in Court
of course in the or in the moon Europa around Jupiter.
Both of these have similar kinds of environments where they
have frozen water and other kinds of compounds in there.
And so this is a really interesting find making yet
(25:57):
another location in our solar system a possible place to
find evidence of life.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
You guys, just a couple of days ago there at
the Cocola Space Science Center had the latest music under
the dome always a great time, always a fantastic show.
If you miss the first one for this season, guess what,
there's another one coming up next month.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
There is, and I'm happy to announce that we will
have the same visual artist for the November show that
we had for the October show, and that's our very
own Lance tankers Lee, our director of our planetarium here
at Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. Lance
will also be doing the show all of the visuals
for the show on November fourth, which is the next
(26:41):
upcoming concert, and it will be all the visuals will
be set and choreographed to the beautiful music being played
by the Schwobes School of Music faculty and students performing
live inside the Atmosphere Theater. Friends, if you've not been
to one of our Music under the Dome concerts, that
is a really great experience and you should buy tickets
(27:02):
right away because they do tend to sell out. There
are tickets available right now for that November concert. Get
on our website www dot cc SC dot org, Charlie
Charlie Samsamcharlie dot org and get tickets for November fourth.
By the way, Wes you and I have a kind
of an exciting event coming up before November fourth.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
We do November first, just a few days before the
next music under the Dome, we will be taking Made
of Stars on location, or actually just bringing it there.
It's still a bit of a home game. We do
this show me from my studio at my home and
you from your office there at the Coca Cola Space
Science Center. So I mean we do half of the
(27:44):
show each week basically from there anyway, but this time
we'll both be there and we'll be live inside the
planetarium there under the Dome. I mean, that's what we're
going to be doing. We'll be right there doing Made
of Stars live. We've not done this before with an audience.
We've had a small group of people around before, but
(28:06):
we've never had a big group of people before to
do this. So we're hoping to fill up the auditorium there,
and we would love to have you. It's free. I mean,
we you know, want to pack the place out. We'd
love to get as many of you there as possible.
We've heard from many of you interested in coming to
(28:26):
actually check out the show, so we're we're excited about
the folks. We've already heard from, but November the first
will be our very first Made of Stars Live. We
hope to make this a regular event, so if we
get a nice attendant, it's a nice turnout.
Speaker 4 (28:42):
No reason we can't do this again.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
It will be very similar to the show as far
as content goes, but obviously we'll have some things there
for those they'll be there attending live. So we're looking
forward to having you guys come out and check out
the show for us from Made of Stars Live. Now,
this is the other good part of this because you're
getting a two fer. Not only is it free for
you to come check out Made of Stars Live. Immediately
(29:08):
after there's Astronomy Night, which will also go for the
great lolo price of free, so you can check out
Doctor Rosa Williams and her team will be showing you
the nighttime sky weather permitting, but also giving you a
breakdown on what's in the sky and what you'll have
a chance to look at there. So it'll be like
(29:28):
a full night of things. But we'll go back to back.
We'll do Made a Stars Live followed by Astronomy Night
there at the Coca Cola Space Science Center, and we
hope to see you there.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Imagine this podcast as performance art. There you go, that's
what it's going to be. And by the way, for
those of you who have made it this far through
the podcast today, thank you for listening all the way
to the end. I promise to stop singing karaoke and
blowing out my voice before the next Before that live
podcast on the first of November, I will rehabilitate my voice.
(30:00):
I appreciate your patience getting this far. But yeah, we're
we're going to be you know, I imagine, you know,
Made of Stars as a stage performance. It's a first
for us and it's gonna be kind of interesting. We're
gonna have absolutely as much fun as we possibly can,
and then we're gonna go look at the sky with telescopes.
How bad could it be for the low price of
free ninety five? As Wes said, it's gonna be. It's
(30:21):
gonna be free of charge, and we're hoping you come
out and join us for that really fun event on
November first, here at the Space Sign Center. That is
a Saturday, by the way, so you know it's not
it's not like a workday for the majority of folks.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
I would just like to also point this out speaking
of your voice, and I appreciate you were a trooper
to do this today with your your voice being a
bit strained. I just want to point out that like
a month ago, I had surgery on my neck that
involved a human being navigating medical instruments and implements around
all of my like esophagus and all of my voice box,
(30:57):
everything just moving around in there to get it to
my spine and do this surgery. My voice was a
little raspye, and we did the next show after that
with a little bit of rasp in my voice. And
I don't talk nearly as much as you do, and
yours sounds quite a bit more strained than I think
mine did back then, and you do the majority of
(31:20):
the talking. So I appreciate you for doing this today,
and Sean and I do appreciate you listening, and we
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