October 23, 2025 • 47 mins
NASA's voyager 1 is set to make history again. Elon Musk isn't happy with NASA's decision to re-open bidding for Artemis III's Moon landing contract. NASA has awarded Katalyst Space Technologies a contract to raise a satellite's orbit. And three of the world's wealthiest people say people will be living off planet sooner than you might think.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning. The following podcast contains an entertaining look at astronomy, physics,
and space news throughout the known universe. Listeners have been
known to learn about astronomical phenomenon, the scientific method, and
expanded vocabulary to include terms like quasar asterism and uranus. Listen,
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Go ahead. When made of stars, made them stars, madies.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
When made of stars.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You could be from high they would New Mexicomus, where
all stars?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
When we are made of stars, I'm West Carol, joined
by my good friend doctor Sean Cruisan from Columbus State
Universities Coca Cola Space Science Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good morning, Good to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We have Made of Stars Live coming up and a
little over a week as we record this November the first.
We will talk about that a little bit later on
in the show, but we're excited about the opportunity to
sit down in front of an audience and do what
we do.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Wait, you mean there's people who are going to be there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's the plan. There's the open invitation, but we'll go
through some details on that coming up towards the end
of the show. First up, I want to start you
sent me some uh, when I get text messages from
you that then there's photos involved. There's there's a number
of things it could be. It's usually something maybe that's
(01:50):
going to be in the sky, or that it was
just in the sky. Maybe it's you know, like a
historic northern light situation and we're going, oh my god,
and then I got a pile of kids in the
car and drive to your house, which has happened before.
Or it's like, hey, here's an article maybe we could
talk about on meta stars. And then sometimes it's just
some really cool photo that you got from you know,
(02:14):
one of your former students that's you know, working for NASA,
and you go, oh, well, this is pretty cool, and
that happens to be what it is this time.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So before we jump into the connection with my student,
which is the reason, by the way, I wanted to
talk about the story because it's just cool. But NASA
stacked the moon rocket last weekend, right, so that maybe
that's the headline here sure is that the Space Launch
System big NASA rocket to send to the Moon now
(02:47):
has the Orion capsule sitting on top of it. In
other words, the actual sports car sitting atop the giant
launch system, the sports car that will take human beings
around the backside of the Moon for the first time
since the nineteen seventies, is now sitting firmly a top
of a giant rocket. Now, Wes, this is the same
(03:09):
giant rocket main stage booster that you and I got
to go down and see arrived down there at Kennedy
Space Center just you know, a handful of months ago
something like that. So it's something that you and I
already have kind of a connection with through that great
opportunity that NASA afforded us to actually be on site
and watch that main stage booster arrive, and now through
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the hard work of some dedicated NASA employees, it now
has a space capsule sitting on top of it. Now,
this is where I'm going to go ahead and tie
in my former student, because the images I was receiving
over the weekend were just kind of a few a
handful of snapshots that were taken by one of the
people who used to be an intern right here at
(03:51):
Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. His named
Zach Cocher, and Zach is actually leading a team that
working with the integration of the components of the space
Launch System. So Zach's main job is actually headquartered at
the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, but Zach
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had traveled down to the Cape. As Walter Cronkott used
to say, he's down at the Cape. So down at
the Cape, Zach was with his team there and they
were working to put these pieces together that are becoming
the next launch vehicle to send human beings back to
the Moon. And it's just really fantastic. And of course,
(04:33):
you know, he sent me some pretty cool pictures which
are awesome. They're out now out released in the main
space media equivalent photographs of the same thing happening, which
is the Orion capsule being dangled over the main body
of that giant rocket in one of the large ceiling
bays of the vehicle assembly building down there at Kennedy
(04:57):
Space Center. So all of that's really really cool. And Zach,
if you're listening, thank you for sending me those images.
They're great. Thank you for sharing some of the excitement
of you getting to work on this project, which is fantastic.
But for the listeners of the show, we're going back
to the Moon, friends, We're going to do it, and
(05:17):
we're going to take the first Canadian, the first female,
and the first African American on board to go ride
around the backside of the Moon and come back. And
that rocket that's now assembled sitting inside the Vehicle Assembly
Building at Kennedy Space Center is the ride. So this
(05:38):
is happening people, I think, just me and engaging with
the people that come into the Space Science Center, I
can tell that people are somewhat aware that we're kind
of trying to build a rocket or something to maybe
go back to the Moon, and they don't really have
any idea where when it is or when that might happen.
(06:01):
And I have to just say, no, we're doing it now.
We're doing it right now. This is that we're building
the rocket right now, everybody, and it's going to go
up maybe in February, right, so not very many clicks
down the calendar, we're going to try to launch a
moon rocket with people on board around the back side
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of the Moon. It is not some far flung, futuristic,
non realizable activity. It is something that is physically taking
shape and manifesting today in the high days of the
Vehicle Assembly building the VAB at the Kennedy Space Center.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's wild, isn't it to think that there was a
time when and we are and we're going to talk
space race because we have a story coming up about
Artemis three that connects with this, but with the space
race involving China. But the fact that you know, when
you go back to the Apollo era and rockets for
being assembled and people were much more aware of it,
(07:01):
even though it was we were much more limited with
our news options. And now in the social media era,
when there's so many places, i mean, everybody with a
cell phone, which is you know, everybody, you know, three
year olds have their cell phones. Now, it's harder for
people to know this information. And I guess they're just
(07:21):
overwhelmed with so much news that they're missing some of
these stories that you know are there and the fact
that this is something that is in progress and we're
making strides towards this. So it's kind of interesting that
and maybe that's the two sides of it, to be
surprised that they don't know, but then also to kind
of understand because they're being bombarded with everything else, and
(07:45):
even if it's just sports stories with you know, seventy
five different versions of the same.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Field goal or whatever, you know from the people.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
In the attendance, like there's so many different things that
they have to see that they're missing things.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I guess, you know, sometimes I'm not really a media
person except by virtue of the show, and so sometimes
I just refrain from commenting about media because I feel
like I'm not really an expert. But then I remind
myself that, well, actually I'm a minor, tiny component of
the much greater media. But I do think that this
(08:18):
is true that at one time we were all drinking
from the same information streams, so we had the same
sources of information as you mentioned, and I felt like
there's a lot more unity back then. Now. I'm not
saying that more information is a bad thing. Don't hear
what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that, But I
(08:39):
do think that since we've entered into an age of
the information super Highway, we went from a stream of
information that we all drank from to a veritable ocean
or set of oceans of information that we're all drowning in,
and so we don't really know the same. Should I
say the word acts probably shouldn't go that far. Our
(09:03):
information is drawn from so many different sources that the
facts that we find sentient are not necessarily common, right,
that I think is true. And that is a rabbit
hole that we could go down and spend hours talking about,
you know, just probably a podcast right there or something, probably.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
All by itself. But that's it. And because you say
terms like facts and you go, well, and then now
we're in this age of people deciding which facts are
really facts or not facts based on what they want
the facts to be or if they want to be
you know, a flat earther.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Or we didn't go to the moon or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And you know, they'll they'll find ways to pick apart
these these moon trips. But anyway, okay, let's go back
to a time when we had I mean, this is relevant,
but let's go back to the beginning, a time when
we were getting all of our news from the similar stream,
and let's talk about Voyager one, but kind of the
updated modern version of Voyager one one ready to make
(10:01):
history again.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Good old Voyager one. It's still out there and it's
still doing things. And actually Voyager one is slated to
accomplish something that no other spacecraft that ever has And
mind you it's already done that. It did that the
day it left the Solar System officially, which again, if
you haven't, if you haven't been drinking from this information stream,
(10:24):
Voyager one was a spacecraft that launched decades ago to
go out and investigate planets in the Solar System, and
then a few years ago it became the first vehicle
to leave what's called the heliopause, which is a boundary
of influence of the Sun's solar wind field and magnetic
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field combined. And so the heliopause is an important scientific
boundary that Voyager one crossed in August of twenty twelve. Wes,
we did that story, man, we did. We did that
story together. We've been doing this a long time. We
did it on radio. But Voyager one officially departed the
Solar System back in twenty twelve. So the interesting thing
(11:10):
is this that it's been it's been outside the Solar
System investigating what we now refer to as interstellar space
for a number of years. But in November of this
year it will cross yet another really important boundary, which
is a certain distance, a distance that's about sixteen billion
miles from the Earth, but it's equivalent to the distance
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that light can travel in one day or one twenty
four hour period. Now, light travels at a one hundred
and eighty six thousand miles every second, one hundred and
eighty six thousand miles per second. What if you let
it travel for an entire day, well you'll get out
around sixteen billion miles. And that is the boundary that
(11:56):
the Voyager one space probe is going to cross on
the fifteenth of November of next year, twenty twenty six.
So it's it's coming. And the interesting thing is the
Voyager spacecraft, traveling at around thirty eight thousand miles per hour,
has been traveling again for decades. It's just now going
(12:18):
to cross the one light day boundary. So we are
now looking to a time where our spacecraft are out
there exploring the space beyond the stars. And it's just
an interesting thing to be looking forward to, right. We
know that that again, it's it's us as human beings
that kind of like these milestones. There's nothing really special
(12:40):
about that distance from the Earth other than we all
know intellectually that's how far light would travel in one day.
But okay, it's just an interesting milestone that something that
we built has managed to travel that far beyond the
boundary of the Solar System out into inner stellar space,
(13:01):
and now it's clicking off that important milestone within the
next thirteen months, which is just kind of interesting, right,
So we're all looking forward to the countdown that will
occur as Voyager one makes history again. November fifteen, twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
We have talked about a number of companies that have
done work with NASA over the years. Have we talked
about Catalyst Space Technologies before? Is this a new company
or is this somebody who's been around for a while,
And I'm just not remembering stories with Catalyst Space Technologies.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think I would have remembered them because they're headquartered
in Flagstaff, Arizona, which is a town that I've spent
all kinds of time in, particularly at the Lole Observatory,
doing a lot of the research for my for my
various degrees in graduate school. So I don't think that
we have talked about them. Now, somebody out there might
be going, well, Space Technology has been around for a
(13:55):
long time. They've done X, Y and Z. Okay, that's great.
I'm not an expert on that company. I didn't know
they existing. I don't think we've talked about it much
on the podcast, but today's the day, yeah, right, because
we just found out through NASA dot Gov that they
have they've been awarded a very important contract. And so
their contract is is this, They're gonna they're gonna build
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a vehicle that's gonna go up and grab one of
NASA's what we call great observatories. These are observatories that
are orbiting the Earth, right, so these are these are
not earth bound observatories, they're space bound observatories. There's one
called the Nils Garrel's Swift Observatory Neil Garrel Swift Observatory,
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which is a gamma ray observatory. It looks for these
things that we've talked many times about here on the show,
which are called gamma ray bursts, and so it's an
important piece of technology. It's it's running into the friction
of the upper atmosphere. This happens even more during times
of extra solar activity, which we have right now as
(15:01):
we're in solar maximum, because that extra solar activity, in
other words, more activity taking place on the Sun causes
more solar wind and more solar flares. All of those
particles coming from the Sun cause our atmosphere to swell,
and our swelling atmosphere as it rises up, it impacts
spacecraft in orbit around the Earth more. It causes more drag,
(15:21):
and therefore it causes them to start falling out of
the sky. Now, the Swift Observatory has been up there
doing great science since two thousand and four, and even
though it's a still functioning space telescope, it's not cutting
edge technology anymore, just because it's you know, it's a
couple of decades old. However, they're going to use it
(15:43):
as a test case to see if we can go
up and perform the maneuver of docking a spacecraft onto
an already existing satellite that was never designed to be
docked to before. And that's what the Swift Telescope represents.
It's a spacecraft that was never designed to have a
(16:03):
servicing mission where another vehicle went up and docked to
it and performed various component replacements or repairs. It was
just meant for you, built in obsolescence. Once it can't
function anymore than just let it fall out of the sky. Well,
NASA wants to see if it can go up and
grab one of those kinds of spacecraft that was not
(16:23):
necessarily designed to have a different vehicle connect to it,
But can we grab it anyway, boost it back up
in its orbit and therefore extend its life because that
kind of emission could be far less expensive than building
that space telescope all over again. And so it's kind
of a test case experiment and Catalyst Space Technologies of Flagstaff,
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Arizona has won the contract. If they were able to
successfully boost that swift telescope, that would be the first
time that a commercial robotic spacecraft has ever captured an
uncrude satellite or a satellite not DESI tying to be
serviced in space and pushed it back up to a
proper and safe orbit. And so it's a really important
(17:07):
proof of technology, proof of concept. Can we do this?
And we'll be watching. We'll be watching over the next
several months as nath is working with Catalyst Space to
perform that maneuver.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Certainly seems like something that if they can do, this
would be something that they would be able to do
many many times in the future if this works, and
that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Coming up after a quick break, we're gonna talk about
this another elon Musk thing. We'll get to that next,
(17:51):
all right. I kind of teed this up as another
Elon Musk thing. Usually when we have Elon Musk things,
they're very positive things as it relates to SpaceX and
some accomplish or even if they blow something up, it's like, well,
but there's a good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Spin on it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
They blew something up, but it's so that they cannot
blow it up the next time or in three or
four more attempts or whatever. And then every now and
then we get these Elon Musk stories where it's, you know,
Elon having a bit of a social media issue with someone,
and it's been the President before, and in this case
(18:24):
it's you know, somebody in the cabinet, the Secretary of
Transportation who is filling in as the director of NASA
at the moment, Sean Duffy. And I guess now we've
got Elon not especially happy with Sean Duffy or Sean Dummy.
Did he call him sean dummy in the in the
(18:44):
in the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Tweet, Yeah, yeah he did. He used the word dummy
because Witt has no bounds.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, that's right. Maybe maybe the smartest human being on
the planet, Elon.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
If you hear this podcast, You're gonna come after me.
My name is also Sean, but I don't have an
X account, all right, so you have to find some
other way because I'll never see your ex insults of me. Yeah,
and look, Elon, as Wes just said, we talk a
lot of really positive things about SpaceX. I happen to
(19:24):
be a big fan of the company SpaceX. I like
what they do. They do some amazing stuff. I think
that the acting director of NASA, whose name is Sean Duffy,
also thinks a lot of SpaceX because he came out
with this quote. He said, I love this is quote
quote of Sean Duffy with F's Duffy quote. I love SpaceX.
(19:47):
It's an amazing company. The problem is they're behind. They
push their timelines out and we're in a race with
China unquote. Now remember that quote started with the words
I love SpaceX. Yeah. Well, apparently the CEO of SpaceX
does not feel the same, because that would be Elon
(20:08):
Musk and Elon's had another muskasm, and his muscasm was
a tweet where he just referred to the acting director
of NASA as sean dummy. You see what happened. The
witticism here is that you replace the f's with the
letter M and you make a whole new word, and
(20:29):
that word has a different meanings. This is the brevity's
the soul of wit. That's right. It's just two f's
they're out, you put in two m's comedy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So yeah, this thing that's gotten Musk upset though, is
that basically, And then what Sean Duffy is referring to
is by saying that that they're behind, is that now,
according to Duffy, and NASA is going to reopen competition
for the Artemus three moon landing contract. SpaceX already won
this thing back in April of twenty twenty one, and
(21:01):
I guess we also have a quote there as well
from Duffy about about this fact. But the plan is
like it's a space race now, it's a space race
with China, and the plan is to get people back
on the Moon during the Trump presidency.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, as we talked about before the break, we're trying
to launch Artemis two to put human beings around the
back side of the Earth. And when I say we,
I mean the United States of America, the American Space
Program of the Moon. You said the Earth? Did I
say the Earth? It's that's funny. Well, because we've done
that Freudian slip around the back side of the Earth
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and backside of the Moon and back of the Earth.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I can't keep my moons on Earth straight. Hey, this
happened this past summer. I took my family to the
other side of the Earth. So we did that in Australia.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So I'm having my own shot dummy moment right now.
I'm the real shot dummy. Now we're we're sending human
beings around the backside of the Moon.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yes, as early as.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
At nighttime sky the Moon and back to the Earth
for the first time since nineteen seventy two. Okay, so
that's the setup. That's Artemis two. Artemis three is we're
actually trying to land people on the surface of the Moon.
What does SpaceX have to do with any of that.
They're building this giant starship rocket. The plan is for
the Orion Capsule to rendezvous with the starship rocket in
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orbit around the Moon, not the Earth, the Moon, and
then the starship rocket takes the astronauts down to the surface.
They walk around for a while, they take a few pictures,
They buy a couple of postcards, They get back on
the Starship Rocket, go back up into orbit around the Moon,
they get back docked with the Orion spacecraft, and they
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come back home again. So that's the plan. Well, you see,
NASA then needs SpaceX to complete their Starship rocket so
that they can have one waiting in orbit, parked in
orbit around the Moon for the ryancapsule to dock with.
And yeah, it looks like SpaceX has had a few
delays with Starship, and you know, Sean Duffy has voiced
(23:09):
concerns that Starship might not be ready for Artemis three,
which is in the targeted twenty twenty eight time frame,
just a little over two years from now, right ish,
something along those lines. And apparently Elon thinks that they
will be ready. See because that's when Elon pulls out
(23:32):
his big guns and uses words like dummy. So that's
kind of where we're at in America today. This is
how the titans of industry and government communicate with one another.
They get on social media and use words like dummy.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So let's play. I want to play Devil's advocate for
a minute for the guy calling people dummy. His issue
here is that they were awarded the contract, and now
NASA says we're going to open it up again. And
the quote there from Sean Duffy is that I'm going
to let other space companies compete with SpaceX, like Blue Origin.
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That's what's upset him, and it's but it's the nature
of like we're in a space race. I mean, that's
kind of the way things work, right as you use
competition to It's like a team saying, look, we're getting
ready for that beginning of the season. We don't know
who our starting quarterback is yet. You know. It's kind
(24:33):
of that deal where you're trying to push one guy
to be a little better than the other guy and
see what they can do. And even if you already know,
even if most people have a pretty good idea of
who the starting quarterback is going to be. So I mean,
that's kind of what's playing out. So I mean I
can see both sides of this, I really can.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, or you know, maybe Russell Wilson's your starting quarterback, well,
and you come out and say, you know, we're going
to give the rookie a look, yeah we're gonna or
maybe justin fields as your quarterback and and you're an
owner and you come out and say, you know, ten
interceptions in two weeks seems extreme. I don't know, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know, if you're a Giants fan speaking on behalf
of you know, the Giants community. You know, if the
Jets want Russell Wilson, he wouldn't even have to leave
New York. He could. He doesn't even have to like move.
He still comes to work to the same place every day.
It's not really overly inconvenient. There's it makes sense in
(25:39):
a lot of ways. If if they're looking for somebody
and the guy can play lights out against the Cowboys,
we've learned that if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So if if only Sean Duffy were looking for someone
to play lights out against the Cowboys, yea, then we
wouldn't have these Twitter spats. But what he's actually looking
for is a human lunar lander to put people on
the surface of the Moon. And yes, SpaceX is definitely
making progress. But there are other companies who have suggested
that their right to compete was maybe a little bit
(26:10):
pret maturely preempted in the last contract process. That would
be Blue Origin. Of course, they actually filed suits and
so Sean Duffy said, Okay, well, we've decided we might
let them compete. We might let Blue Origin and any
other company that wants to build a lunar lander compete
with SpaceX, and if they happen to get a human lander,
(26:34):
a certifiable human lander completed before SpaceX, we might swap
the contract around. Well, so this is what Elon's very
upset about. Sean Duffy added this quote. By the way,
just to give the proper attributions, these are quotes published
in space on space dot Com. Apparently Sean Duffy did
a sit in on CNBC's The Squat Box, and so
(26:57):
that's where these quotes came from. Shaan duff If. He
went on to say, the President and I want to
get to the Moon in this president's term. Now you
can understand why that would be important. It's kind of
like Kennedy saying we want to do it before the
end of the decade. This is Trump Trump, a Trump spokesman,
person spokesperson saying we want to get it done before
(27:17):
Donald is out right, and so Sean Duffy went on
to say, so I'm going to open up the contract.
I'm going to let other companies compete with SpaceX, like
Blue Origin. Okay, Elon musk another quote from Elon via
X said this quote someone whose biggest claim to fame
(27:39):
is climbing trees, maybe they shouldn't be running America Space program.
This is this is fundamentally what Elon said. What does
that mean? Well, it turns out that Sean Duffy, much
younger in his life, was on a reality TV show
and he also competed in lumber jam competitions. Was a
world We all have various verse life. Celon, come on now.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
World Champion lumberjack. I think I would say, if you
want to criticize me for opening up contracts for competition,
I wouldn't attack me on the thing that I was
a competitor in and apparently good at. I mean, I
don't know a whole lot about lumberjacking as a competitive sport.
(28:22):
I've been to some lumberjacking competitive sports before, and it's
pretty impressive. There was nothing there that I was capable
of doing. I don't know that I could even work
the chainsaw, like lift the chainsaw that they were using
in it. I mean, and like that fair enough, right,
There's some pretty serious stuff that they do, and especially
for Jack.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I've been to Alaska. I've seen some of those.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Scurrying up a tree with one of those chainsaws and
cutting it down, you know, log by log. It's pretty impressive,
you know, Wes.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm gonna go ahead just say this. I wasn't aware
that Sean Duffy's biggest claim to fame was this climbing
trees thing, this lumberjack competition. I was under the impression
that he was the interim director of NASA, Well, which
want to be a bigger claim to fame.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And the Secretary of Transportation. I would think that's probably
first all. That's probably first on his resume. I would
think it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Have the name recognition of NASA, but okay, sure you
can go ahead and use a cabinet post that's mine.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
It's a pretty good one. I don't know that the
lumberjack thing is like at the top, I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I was unaware of that resume point until this Twitter spat, so.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Elon.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Hey, coming up after one more quick break, we're gonna
talk more Elon and Jeff Bezos and Sam Altman and
others and Mars. We'll do that next, all right, So
(30:07):
we we were at this age now where you have
you know, really wealthy people and the people that are
you know, working obviously in technology, and they have their
opinions on where things are heading when it comes to
life off of the planet, they do, and we've got
some of their thoughts on that in this next story.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean, and just as a preference to the
last story. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you know,
billionaires twitter spatting. It's actually a pretty good spectator sport.
I realize my own place in this world. I could
fade off into obscurity at any instant of time with
very little contributions to either America Space Program or I
(30:51):
beg to different in general.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I beg to differ. My friend, if you are inspiring
people that are standing there watching the Artemis to get stacked,
I think you're you're contributing a lot to the future
for Elon and Bezos and all these guys. So you're
making a contribution so well, you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know, and again I appreciate that, but but I'm just saying,
I'm not saying I'm just saying, it's Elon, we love you, baby,
we love SpaceX we Made of Stars thinks Elon's great.
You could call us grounded from his Twitter account. That's all.
Just sometimes mom should step in and say no, I'm
blocking your Twitter account for three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, that's all. That's all.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
If he wants to come on the show at any point,
we'll have him on. He can call us both dummy
and then we can talk about space.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
All manner of names. If he would just appear on
the Space Made of Stars podcast, that's right, we'd love that.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So let's start. I guess you want to start who
do you want to start with? You want to start
with Bezos? Yeah, let's start with Bezos.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Because this story is the uh, the trifecta of egos
that came out and we're quoted in various forms in
a Fortune dot Com, Fortune Magazine Fortune dot com story
about this. Will there be millions of people inhabiting space
by twenty forty five, so Jeff Bezos, well, he sees
(32:15):
a bright future for humanity. According to the Fortune dot
Com story, Jeff Bezos says millions of people will be
living in space by twenty forty five. That's a mere
twenty years that's mere two decades from right now. I
would say that sounds like a long time, except I
remember how short of a time. It feels like the
(32:36):
last two decades were ago. Two thousand and five just
doesn't seem that far away to be, But okay, seems
like plenty of time. How far will the space industry
move forward in the next two decades might be a
kind of a subtitle question to this. I will say
that independent economists have looked at the space economy and
(32:57):
say that it's around the six one hundred billion dollar
mark right now. The global of space economy is slated
to grow, according to these independent economists, to one point
eight trillion dollars by the year twenty thirty five. So
that is a gigantic jump forward. That number is bigger
(33:18):
than the GDP of most countries on Earth, and that's
gross gross domestic product, right of most countries on the Earth.
So space as an industry is absolutely going to grow.
It's just that Jeff Bezos was attending what is called
the Italian Tech Week for twenty twenty five and had
some interesting comments. And so the founder of Amazon and
(33:40):
Blue Origin, that company that's competing with SpaceX now for
a spaceland for a moonlander. By the way, so the
founders of Blue Origin came out and said, I don't
see how anybody can be discouraged. Who's alive right now?
Civilization abundance comes from our inventions. By the way, This
is not me, this is still Jeff talking. Okay, so
(34:00):
quoting Jeff Bezos, civilization abundance comes from our inventions. So
ten thousand years ago or whatever it was, remember of
quoting Jeff Bezos ten thousand years ago or whatever. It
was something like that, somebody invented the plow and we
all got richer. I'm talking about all of civilization. These
(34:23):
are tools. In These tools increase our abundance, and that
pattern will continue. Unquote Okay, I gotta get out of
by Jeff Bezos voice here. All of those things were
said by Jeff Bezos at the Italian Tech Week. It's
an interesting point, right, when we advance technologies that make
for the betterment of all human beings, it's never a
zero sum game. It pushes all of our fortunes forward
(34:48):
and the world wealth grows for everybody because of these inventions.
I would claim that recently the cell phone or the
invention of the Internet, or before that, the invention of
the personal computer, are all examples in relatively recent times
of when the paradigms of all of the Earth's economy
(35:10):
have shifted forward and everyone got wealthier. So that's Jeff
Bezos's point. I'm gonna go back into quoting Jeff one
more time. Back into Jeff voice. Here it comes. Quote
in the next kind of couple of decades, he said that.
By the way, next kind of couple of decades. Okay,
back to Jeff voice. In the next kind of couple
of decades, I believe there will be millions of people
(35:33):
living in space. That's how fast this is going to accelerate.
They'll mostly be living there because they want to. We
don't need people to live in space. They want to
live there. If you need to do some work on
the surface of the Moon or elsewhere, we will be
able to send robots to do that work, and that
(35:53):
will be much more cost effective than sending humans. Unquote Okay,
out of Jeff voice. Now those were all his thoughts, right,
you know, the things that we need to do, we
can just send robots to do that. The things we
want to do, well, we'll just go to do that ourselves.
So I'm not saying that I completely agree with Jeff
on all of these points. I think an actual, living,
(36:15):
breathing human geologist on the surface of the Moon or
Mars could do more effective work in about fifteen to
twenty minutes than one robot could do in about three years.
But okay, I do get the point to some degree
that there is going to be a robotic component to
our leaving the planet and going out and exploring the
(36:36):
Solar System. In fact, there already is, but it's going
to be followed up with people who just want the
adventure of going out there and exploring space. So that's
the nature of Jeff Bezos quotes, Well.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
My first thing, and I use a piece of technology
that you referenced in that my phone to verify that
the plow was invented about five thousand years ago or
ten or you know, something like that in Mesopotamia. I
was able to find that pretty quickly while you were talking.
So I'd just like to point that out, you know,
I mean, maybe maybe Jeff doesn't surf the.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Web very much.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, and he could probably just ask Alexa. That's my guess,
if you know, I'm thinking he would have. That's not
the new wife, right, that's somebody different.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, no, no, no, that's the little you know, the device.
Actually it's probably triggered actually that I was joking, probably
triggered one of mine just in talking about it. But anyway, well,
what are some of the other rich people think about this?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, what other rich people should we listen to?
I don't know what about Elon I'm sure he's got
something to say. What about what about Sam Altman, the
CEO of open Ai, which is chat GPT's parent company. Right, So,
so okay, so according to space dot Com and the story,
it's not Oh yeah, that's right, isn't it. Where did
(37:54):
the story come from? Again? I gotta get the right
attribution from Fortune. This is Fortune, it's not Space dot Com. Sorry,
according to Fortune that ran the story. So Sam Altman
came out he had some thoughts about this as well.
And Sam Altman said, you know, it's not just Bezo superdictions,
you know, living working in space. Sam Altman and Elon
(38:15):
Musk both have shared similar predictions. Uh, let's see. Sam
Altman says college graduates will be working some completely new, exciting,
super well paid jobs in space. Unquote. Okay, so if
you wonder, you know, if your parents have a college student,
you're wondering where they're going to work, maybe it's space,
because Sam said so. He said, they'll be working some
(38:36):
completely new, exciting, super well paid jobs in space. That's
according to the CEO of the company that created chat gb.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Doesn't doesn't sound so scary the thought of your graduate
moving across country, now, does it?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah? I mean, you know it could they could be
living in Iowa, or they could be living in orbit.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's a little different. So it sounds a little harder
to get home, you know, for the holidays.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Iowa was a little easier to get too. Yeah. So
all right, So chat chat GPT creator said that he's
jealous of young people because his generation's early career jobs
will look boring and old fashioned compared to these new
high tech space jobs. There we go, Sam Altman, let's see.
Elon Musk, richest person on the planet, says he thinks
(39:21):
humans will be on Mars as soon as twenty twenty eight,
with the unmanned SpaceX rockets commencing liftoff for that destination
next year. So he says, you know, he says to say, hey,
you know these starships, which NASA doesn't think we're making
progress enough on. We're not going to be putting people
on the Moon by twenty twenty eight. We're going to
be putting people on Mars by twenty twenty eight. So
(39:44):
you know, yet again a reference to the previous story. Anyway,
So there we go. So what's important about this for
our listeners? What's important about this for the students at
my university, Columbus State University, The space economy. Friends, what
you're having is three tights of industry in the year
twenty twenty five, all three saying the same thing. The
(40:05):
space economy is going to explode. The human presence in
space is going to expand greatly, and there will be
jobs and money associated with it. So what I can
tell you is, if you're not plugged into the space
economy yet and you're still trying to decide what great
degree to have in college, maybe a degree that prepares
(40:28):
you for the new space economy is one of those
degrees you ought to consider. How about a degree like, oh,
I don't know, Astrophysics and planetary geology at Columbus State
University's Department of earthen Space Sciences, or perhaps one of
our brand new robotics engineering degrees, which you heard what
Bezos themselves said. We're gonna be doing a lot of
robotic exploration out there. It's going to be actually assisting
(40:51):
humans in space. You can find out all about these
degree programs at Columbustate dot edu, Columbus State all one word,
do edu, Columbustate dot edu. Or if you just want
to find out more about, you know, the Space Science Center,
we actually have links to these degree programs on our page.
Come visit us at www dot cc s SC dot org.
(41:13):
Charlie Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org. Those initials stand for
Coca Cola Space Science Center And sorry, Wes, I did
the website plug unusually early in our ending of the
podcast there, but there it is.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's okay because you said that they should visit the
website to learn more about it, and I would say
they could also ask questions about it while visiting the
Coca Cola Space Science Center on November first, where we
will be having our first ever Made of Stars live
at six pm Saturday, November first, and it's a free event.
(41:45):
You come in, you watch us through this show live
in front of an audience. You'd be part of that audience.
And then immediately after there's also a free event. It's
Astronomy Night. Doctor Rosa Williams and her team will be
pointing telescopes at the sky, which is the best place
to point telescopes by the way. Yeah, because the neighbors
(42:06):
don't like it so much. The neighbors not big fans
of it. But you know, sometimes you got those neighbors
that are fans of it, in which case, you know,
go crazy whatever you're into. But the point is they
will not be pointing them at neighbors. They'll be pointing
them into the sky, weather permitting, of course, but you'll
get some explanation of what you'll be seeing, what's in
(42:27):
the sky, all those fun things. So it's two back
to back free events. It's all just basically packaged in
one big, giant free event taking place at the Cocola
Space Sign Center and it is a little over a
week away and we're in the final stages of planning
all of this. It's free. You don't need tickets. You
just need to show up and put your backside in
a seat and we will do this show there. Now,
(42:50):
this is the other part of this that I haven't
really talked about. We've talked about this for a few weeks.
The number of times that I have had someone asked me,
and I mean, it's a lot when people say, my
kid wants to be a podcaster, Can they come and
watch you do your show one day or one morning,
(43:13):
or you know, one day or whatever. Or you know,
I've got a friend who, you know, thinks that they
we'd like to do a podcast here. Can we come
and watch you do I get asked this often. My
normal response would be absolutely, But you know, we primarily
are doing this. We do this show. You're in your
(43:33):
office and I am in my home studio. I don't
have the big Joe Rogan home studio. I've got a
significantly smaller studio than Joe Rogan. And I'm not overly
big on people just roaming around in my house. So
that's the other part of it. But this is a
great opportunity for folks to come and watch a podcast
(43:55):
be done live, and it'll be a little different than
what we normally do because we'll be there together, you know,
right there inside the planetarium. But that's another aspect of this.
So if you're one of the many people who've asked, hey,
can my kid come and watch you do a podcast? Yes,
on November the first.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And wes Ostensibly the way this event began, we're actually
doing a part of the lecture series for the Department
of Earthen Space Sciences. And the reason we were asked
to do that is because my good friend, doctor Troy Keller,
who's the department chair, said, hey, we want our students
to see how a podcast is done, because we all
(44:39):
are understanding new media, right. So so those students are
going to be, you know, trained scientists because they're getting
degrees from the Department of Earth and Space Sciences, but
they might want to include that aspect in their future
careers where they're relating to a community an audience via
the internet through something like their very own podcasts. So
(45:00):
this is an opportunity for those CSU students to get
that inside look at how a podcast is actually put together.
And for some crazy reason, that shows us. But okay,
that's fine, we can do it. And so, I mean,
you're an excellent podcaster, don't get me wrong, but you know,
I feel like I'm just the comedy relief on the show.
So so anyway, I'm just happy to be a part
of it, and we do try to have fun on
(45:21):
the show. We probably will have a little extra fun
that night. I'm just guessing that some of the silly
things that Wes and I say along the way will
be enhanced because we're going to be in front of
actual people's, right, and not just looking at each other.
We'll actually have human beings who are reacting to some
of the silly things we say. That's right, It could
be quite a fun evening. So yeah, coming out and
(45:42):
join us. If you've made it to this point in
this podcast, you're a dedicated listener, right, You're the kind
of person that absolutely should come out and see that
podcast recorded live.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And we have now done over two hundred and fifty
episodes of this podcast. This is number two fifty one.
And you know I'm not this is not.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Me, do it.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You mentioned me being a veteran podcaster, like I'm closing
in on two thousand episodes across the board of shows
I do. I do seven shows a week, so this
is one of them. So I got a little tread,
you know, left on the tires. But I've done I've
done some. I've got a little wear and tear on things.
(46:22):
I've done it a little bit. So we'd like you
to be part of at least one of those almost
two thousand shows.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Go ahead. When made of stars, made them stars, madies.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
When made of stars.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
You could be from high they would New Mexicomus, where
all stars?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
When we are made of stars, I'm West Carol, joined
by my good friend doctor Sean Cruisan from Columbus State
Universities Coca Cola Space Science Center.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hey Sean, Hey Wes, good morning, Good to be here.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
We have Made of Stars Live coming up and a
little over a week as we record this November the first.
We will talk about that a little bit later on
in the show, but we're excited about the opportunity to
sit down in front of an audience and do what
we do.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Wait, you mean there's people who are going to be there.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
That's the plan. There's the open invitation, but we'll go
through some details on that coming up towards the end
of the show. First up, I want to start you
sent me some uh, when I get text messages from
you that then there's photos involved. There's there's a number
of things it could be. It's usually something maybe that's
(01:50):
going to be in the sky, or that it was
just in the sky. Maybe it's you know, like a
historic northern light situation and we're going, oh my god,
and then I got a pile of kids in the
car and drive to your house, which has happened before.
Or it's like, hey, here's an article maybe we could
talk about on meta stars. And then sometimes it's just
some really cool photo that you got from you know,
(02:14):
one of your former students that's you know, working for NASA,
and you go, oh, well, this is pretty cool, and
that happens to be what it is this time.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
So before we jump into the connection with my student,
which is the reason, by the way, I wanted to
talk about the story because it's just cool. But NASA
stacked the moon rocket last weekend, right, so that maybe
that's the headline here sure is that the Space Launch
System big NASA rocket to send to the Moon now
(02:47):
has the Orion capsule sitting on top of it. In
other words, the actual sports car sitting atop the giant
launch system, the sports car that will take human beings
around the backside of the Moon for the first time
since the nineteen seventies, is now sitting firmly a top
of a giant rocket. Now, Wes, this is the same
(03:09):
giant rocket main stage booster that you and I got
to go down and see arrived down there at Kennedy
Space Center just you know, a handful of months ago
something like that. So it's something that you and I
already have kind of a connection with through that great
opportunity that NASA afforded us to actually be on site
and watch that main stage booster arrive, and now through
(03:30):
the hard work of some dedicated NASA employees, it now
has a space capsule sitting on top of it. Now,
this is where I'm going to go ahead and tie
in my former student, because the images I was receiving
over the weekend were just kind of a few a
handful of snapshots that were taken by one of the
people who used to be an intern right here at
(03:51):
Columbus State University's Coca Cola Space Science Center. His named
Zach Cocher, and Zach is actually leading a team that
working with the integration of the components of the space
Launch System. So Zach's main job is actually headquartered at
the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, but Zach
(04:12):
had traveled down to the Cape. As Walter Cronkott used
to say, he's down at the Cape. So down at
the Cape, Zach was with his team there and they
were working to put these pieces together that are becoming
the next launch vehicle to send human beings back to
the Moon. And it's just really fantastic. And of course,
(04:33):
you know, he sent me some pretty cool pictures which
are awesome. They're out now out released in the main
space media equivalent photographs of the same thing happening, which
is the Orion capsule being dangled over the main body
of that giant rocket in one of the large ceiling
bays of the vehicle assembly building down there at Kennedy
(04:57):
Space Center. So all of that's really really cool. And Zach,
if you're listening, thank you for sending me those images.
They're great. Thank you for sharing some of the excitement
of you getting to work on this project, which is fantastic.
But for the listeners of the show, we're going back
to the Moon, friends, We're going to do it, and
(05:17):
we're going to take the first Canadian, the first female,
and the first African American on board to go ride
around the backside of the Moon and come back. And
that rocket that's now assembled sitting inside the Vehicle Assembly
Building at Kennedy Space Center is the ride. So this
(05:38):
is happening people, I think, just me and engaging with
the people that come into the Space Science Center, I
can tell that people are somewhat aware that we're kind
of trying to build a rocket or something to maybe
go back to the Moon, and they don't really have
any idea where when it is or when that might happen.
(06:01):
And I have to just say, no, we're doing it now.
We're doing it right now. This is that we're building
the rocket right now, everybody, and it's going to go
up maybe in February, right, so not very many clicks
down the calendar, we're going to try to launch a
moon rocket with people on board around the back side
(06:21):
of the Moon. It is not some far flung, futuristic,
non realizable activity. It is something that is physically taking
shape and manifesting today in the high days of the
Vehicle Assembly building the VAB at the Kennedy Space Center.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's wild, isn't it to think that there was a
time when and we are and we're going to talk
space race because we have a story coming up about
Artemis three that connects with this, but with the space
race involving China. But the fact that you know, when
you go back to the Apollo era and rockets for
being assembled and people were much more aware of it,
(07:01):
even though it was we were much more limited with
our news options. And now in the social media era,
when there's so many places, i mean, everybody with a
cell phone, which is you know, everybody, you know, three
year olds have their cell phones. Now, it's harder for
people to know this information. And I guess they're just
(07:21):
overwhelmed with so much news that they're missing some of
these stories that you know are there and the fact
that this is something that is in progress and we're
making strides towards this. So it's kind of interesting that
and maybe that's the two sides of it, to be
surprised that they don't know, but then also to kind
of understand because they're being bombarded with everything else, and
(07:45):
even if it's just sports stories with you know, seventy
five different versions of the same.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Field goal or whatever, you know from the people.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
In the attendance, like there's so many different things that
they have to see that they're missing things.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I guess, you know, sometimes I'm not really a media
person except by virtue of the show, and so sometimes
I just refrain from commenting about media because I feel
like I'm not really an expert. But then I remind
myself that, well, actually I'm a minor, tiny component of
the much greater media. But I do think that this
(08:18):
is true that at one time we were all drinking
from the same information streams, so we had the same
sources of information as you mentioned, and I felt like
there's a lot more unity back then. Now. I'm not
saying that more information is a bad thing. Don't hear
what I'm not saying. I'm not saying that, But I
(08:39):
do think that since we've entered into an age of
the information super Highway, we went from a stream of
information that we all drank from to a veritable ocean
or set of oceans of information that we're all drowning in,
and so we don't really know the same. Should I
say the word acts probably shouldn't go that far. Our
(09:03):
information is drawn from so many different sources that the
facts that we find sentient are not necessarily common, right,
that I think is true. And that is a rabbit
hole that we could go down and spend hours talking about,
you know, just probably a podcast right there or something, probably.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
All by itself. But that's it. And because you say
terms like facts and you go, well, and then now
we're in this age of people deciding which facts are
really facts or not facts based on what they want
the facts to be or if they want to be
you know, a flat earther.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Or we didn't go to the moon or whatever.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And you know, they'll they'll find ways to pick apart
these these moon trips. But anyway, okay, let's go back
to a time when we had I mean, this is relevant,
but let's go back to the beginning, a time when
we were getting all of our news from the similar stream,
and let's talk about Voyager one, but kind of the
updated modern version of Voyager one one ready to make
(10:01):
history again.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Good old Voyager one. It's still out there and it's
still doing things. And actually Voyager one is slated to
accomplish something that no other spacecraft that ever has And
mind you it's already done that. It did that the
day it left the Solar System officially, which again, if
you haven't, if you haven't been drinking from this information stream,
(10:24):
Voyager one was a spacecraft that launched decades ago to
go out and investigate planets in the Solar System, and
then a few years ago it became the first vehicle
to leave what's called the heliopause, which is a boundary
of influence of the Sun's solar wind field and magnetic
(10:46):
field combined. And so the heliopause is an important scientific
boundary that Voyager one crossed in August of twenty twelve. Wes,
we did that story, man, we did. We did that
story together. We've been doing this a long time. We
did it on radio. But Voyager one officially departed the
Solar System back in twenty twelve. So the interesting thing
(11:10):
is this that it's been it's been outside the Solar
System investigating what we now refer to as interstellar space
for a number of years. But in November of this
year it will cross yet another really important boundary, which
is a certain distance, a distance that's about sixteen billion
miles from the Earth, but it's equivalent to the distance
(11:34):
that light can travel in one day or one twenty
four hour period. Now, light travels at a one hundred
and eighty six thousand miles every second, one hundred and
eighty six thousand miles per second. What if you let
it travel for an entire day, well you'll get out
around sixteen billion miles. And that is the boundary that
(11:56):
the Voyager one space probe is going to cross on
the fifteenth of November of next year, twenty twenty six.
So it's it's coming. And the interesting thing is the
Voyager spacecraft, traveling at around thirty eight thousand miles per hour,
has been traveling again for decades. It's just now going
(12:18):
to cross the one light day boundary. So we are
now looking to a time where our spacecraft are out
there exploring the space beyond the stars. And it's just
an interesting thing to be looking forward to, right. We
know that that again, it's it's us as human beings
that kind of like these milestones. There's nothing really special
(12:40):
about that distance from the Earth other than we all
know intellectually that's how far light would travel in one day.
But okay, it's just an interesting milestone that something that
we built has managed to travel that far beyond the
boundary of the Solar System out into inner stellar space,
(13:01):
and now it's clicking off that important milestone within the
next thirteen months, which is just kind of interesting, right,
So we're all looking forward to the countdown that will
occur as Voyager one makes history again. November fifteen, twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
We have talked about a number of companies that have
done work with NASA over the years. Have we talked
about Catalyst Space Technologies before? Is this a new company
or is this somebody who's been around for a while,
And I'm just not remembering stories with Catalyst Space Technologies.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think I would have remembered them because they're headquartered
in Flagstaff, Arizona, which is a town that I've spent
all kinds of time in, particularly at the Lole Observatory,
doing a lot of the research for my for my
various degrees in graduate school. So I don't think that
we have talked about them. Now, somebody out there might
be going, well, Space Technology has been around for a
(13:55):
long time. They've done X, Y and Z. Okay, that's great.
I'm not an expert on that company. I didn't know
they existing. I don't think we've talked about it much
on the podcast, but today's the day, yeah, right, because
we just found out through NASA dot Gov that they
have they've been awarded a very important contract. And so
their contract is is this, They're gonna they're gonna build
(14:18):
a vehicle that's gonna go up and grab one of
NASA's what we call great observatories. These are observatories that
are orbiting the Earth, right, so these are these are
not earth bound observatories, they're space bound observatories. There's one
called the Nils Garrel's Swift Observatory Neil Garrel Swift Observatory,
(14:40):
which is a gamma ray observatory. It looks for these
things that we've talked many times about here on the show,
which are called gamma ray bursts, and so it's an
important piece of technology. It's it's running into the friction
of the upper atmosphere. This happens even more during times
of extra solar activity, which we have right now as
(15:01):
we're in solar maximum, because that extra solar activity, in
other words, more activity taking place on the Sun causes
more solar wind and more solar flares. All of those
particles coming from the Sun cause our atmosphere to swell,
and our swelling atmosphere as it rises up, it impacts
spacecraft in orbit around the Earth more. It causes more drag,
(15:21):
and therefore it causes them to start falling out of
the sky. Now, the Swift Observatory has been up there
doing great science since two thousand and four, and even
though it's a still functioning space telescope, it's not cutting
edge technology anymore, just because it's you know, it's a
couple of decades old. However, they're going to use it
(15:43):
as a test case to see if we can go
up and perform the maneuver of docking a spacecraft onto
an already existing satellite that was never designed to be
docked to before. And that's what the Swift Telescope represents.
It's a spacecraft that was never designed to have a
(16:03):
servicing mission where another vehicle went up and docked to
it and performed various component replacements or repairs. It was
just meant for you, built in obsolescence. Once it can't
function anymore than just let it fall out of the sky. Well,
NASA wants to see if it can go up and
grab one of those kinds of spacecraft that was not
(16:23):
necessarily designed to have a different vehicle connect to it,
But can we grab it anyway, boost it back up
in its orbit and therefore extend its life because that
kind of emission could be far less expensive than building
that space telescope all over again. And so it's kind
of a test case experiment and Catalyst Space Technologies of Flagstaff,
(16:46):
Arizona has won the contract. If they were able to
successfully boost that swift telescope, that would be the first
time that a commercial robotic spacecraft has ever captured an
uncrude satellite or a satellite not DESI tying to be
serviced in space and pushed it back up to a
proper and safe orbit. And so it's a really important
(17:07):
proof of technology, proof of concept. Can we do this?
And we'll be watching. We'll be watching over the next
several months as nath is working with Catalyst Space to
perform that maneuver.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Certainly seems like something that if they can do, this
would be something that they would be able to do
many many times in the future if this works, and
that's pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
All right.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Coming up after a quick break, we're gonna talk about
this another elon Musk thing. We'll get to that next,
(17:51):
all right. I kind of teed this up as another
Elon Musk thing. Usually when we have Elon Musk things,
they're very positive things as it relates to SpaceX and
some accomplish or even if they blow something up, it's like, well,
but there's a good.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
Spin on it.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
They blew something up, but it's so that they cannot
blow it up the next time or in three or
four more attempts or whatever. And then every now and
then we get these Elon Musk stories where it's, you know,
Elon having a bit of a social media issue with someone,
and it's been the President before, and in this case
(18:24):
it's you know, somebody in the cabinet, the Secretary of
Transportation who is filling in as the director of NASA
at the moment, Sean Duffy. And I guess now we've
got Elon not especially happy with Sean Duffy or Sean Dummy.
Did he call him sean dummy in the in the
(18:44):
in the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Tweet, Yeah, yeah he did. He used the word dummy
because Witt has no bounds.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Yeah, that's right. Maybe maybe the smartest human being on
the planet, Elon.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
If you hear this podcast, You're gonna come after me.
My name is also Sean, but I don't have an
X account, all right, so you have to find some
other way because I'll never see your ex insults of me. Yeah,
and look, Elon, as Wes just said, we talk a
lot of really positive things about SpaceX. I happen to
(19:24):
be a big fan of the company SpaceX. I like
what they do. They do some amazing stuff. I think
that the acting director of NASA, whose name is Sean Duffy,
also thinks a lot of SpaceX because he came out
with this quote. He said, I love this is quote
quote of Sean Duffy with F's Duffy quote. I love SpaceX.
(19:47):
It's an amazing company. The problem is they're behind. They
push their timelines out and we're in a race with
China unquote. Now remember that quote started with the words
I love SpaceX. Yeah. Well, apparently the CEO of SpaceX
does not feel the same, because that would be Elon
(20:08):
Musk and Elon's had another muskasm, and his muscasm was
a tweet where he just referred to the acting director
of NASA as sean dummy. You see what happened. The
witticism here is that you replace the f's with the
letter M and you make a whole new word, and
(20:29):
that word has a different meanings. This is the brevity's
the soul of wit. That's right. It's just two f's
they're out, you put in two m's comedy.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
So yeah, this thing that's gotten Musk upset though, is
that basically, And then what Sean Duffy is referring to
is by saying that that they're behind, is that now,
according to Duffy, and NASA is going to reopen competition
for the Artemus three moon landing contract. SpaceX already won
this thing back in April of twenty twenty one, and
(21:01):
I guess we also have a quote there as well
from Duffy about about this fact. But the plan is
like it's a space race now, it's a space race
with China, and the plan is to get people back
on the Moon during the Trump presidency.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, as we talked about before the break, we're trying
to launch Artemis two to put human beings around the
back side of the Earth. And when I say we,
I mean the United States of America, the American Space
Program of the Moon. You said the Earth? Did I
say the Earth? It's that's funny. Well, because we've done
that Freudian slip around the back side of the Earth
(21:41):
and backside of the Moon and back of the Earth.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I can't keep my moons on Earth straight. Hey, this
happened this past summer. I took my family to the
other side of the Earth. So we did that in Australia.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So I'm having my own shot dummy moment right now.
I'm the real shot dummy. Now we're we're sending human
beings around the backside of the Moon.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Yes, as early as.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
At nighttime sky the Moon and back to the Earth
for the first time since nineteen seventy two. Okay, so
that's the setup. That's Artemis two. Artemis three is we're
actually trying to land people on the surface of the Moon.
What does SpaceX have to do with any of that.
They're building this giant starship rocket. The plan is for
the Orion Capsule to rendezvous with the starship rocket in
(22:25):
orbit around the Moon, not the Earth, the Moon, and
then the starship rocket takes the astronauts down to the surface.
They walk around for a while, they take a few pictures,
They buy a couple of postcards, They get back on
the Starship Rocket, go back up into orbit around the Moon,
they get back docked with the Orion spacecraft, and they
(22:46):
come back home again. So that's the plan. Well, you see,
NASA then needs SpaceX to complete their Starship rocket so
that they can have one waiting in orbit, parked in
orbit around the Moon for the ryancapsule to dock with.
And yeah, it looks like SpaceX has had a few
delays with Starship, and you know, Sean Duffy has voiced
(23:09):
concerns that Starship might not be ready for Artemis three,
which is in the targeted twenty twenty eight time frame,
just a little over two years from now, right ish,
something along those lines. And apparently Elon thinks that they
will be ready. See because that's when Elon pulls out
(23:32):
his big guns and uses words like dummy. So that's
kind of where we're at in America today. This is
how the titans of industry and government communicate with one another.
They get on social media and use words like dummy.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
So let's play. I want to play Devil's advocate for
a minute for the guy calling people dummy. His issue
here is that they were awarded the contract, and now
NASA says we're going to open it up again. And
the quote there from Sean Duffy is that I'm going
to let other space companies compete with SpaceX, like Blue Origin.
(24:11):
That's what's upset him, and it's but it's the nature
of like we're in a space race. I mean, that's
kind of the way things work, right as you use
competition to It's like a team saying, look, we're getting
ready for that beginning of the season. We don't know
who our starting quarterback is yet. You know. It's kind
(24:33):
of that deal where you're trying to push one guy
to be a little better than the other guy and
see what they can do. And even if you already know,
even if most people have a pretty good idea of
who the starting quarterback is going to be. So I mean,
that's kind of what's playing out. So I mean I
can see both sides of this, I really can.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, or you know, maybe Russell Wilson's your starting quarterback, well,
and you come out and say, you know, we're going
to give the rookie a look, yeah we're gonna or
maybe justin fields as your quarterback and and you're an
owner and you come out and say, you know, ten
interceptions in two weeks seems extreme. I don't know, what
do you think.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
You know, if you're a Giants fan speaking on behalf
of you know, the Giants community. You know, if the
Jets want Russell Wilson, he wouldn't even have to leave
New York. He could. He doesn't even have to like move.
He still comes to work to the same place every day.
It's not really overly inconvenient. There's it makes sense in
(25:39):
a lot of ways. If if they're looking for somebody
and the guy can play lights out against the Cowboys,
we've learned that if nothing else.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
So if if only Sean Duffy were looking for someone
to play lights out against the Cowboys, yea, then we
wouldn't have these Twitter spats. But what he's actually looking
for is a human lunar lander to put people on
the surface of the Moon. And yes, SpaceX is definitely
making progress. But there are other companies who have suggested
that their right to compete was maybe a little bit
(26:10):
pret maturely preempted in the last contract process. That would
be Blue Origin. Of course, they actually filed suits and
so Sean Duffy said, Okay, well, we've decided we might
let them compete. We might let Blue Origin and any
other company that wants to build a lunar lander compete
with SpaceX, and if they happen to get a human lander,
(26:34):
a certifiable human lander completed before SpaceX, we might swap
the contract around. Well, so this is what Elon's very
upset about. Sean Duffy added this quote. By the way,
just to give the proper attributions, these are quotes published
in space on space dot Com. Apparently Sean Duffy did
a sit in on CNBC's The Squat Box, and so
(26:57):
that's where these quotes came from. Shaan duff If. He
went on to say, the President and I want to
get to the Moon in this president's term. Now you
can understand why that would be important. It's kind of
like Kennedy saying we want to do it before the
end of the decade. This is Trump Trump, a Trump spokesman,
person spokesperson saying we want to get it done before
(27:17):
Donald is out right, and so Sean Duffy went on
to say, so I'm going to open up the contract.
I'm going to let other companies compete with SpaceX, like
Blue Origin. Okay, Elon musk another quote from Elon via
X said this quote someone whose biggest claim to fame
(27:39):
is climbing trees, maybe they shouldn't be running America Space program.
This is this is fundamentally what Elon said. What does
that mean? Well, it turns out that Sean Duffy, much
younger in his life, was on a reality TV show
and he also competed in lumber jam competitions. Was a
world We all have various verse life. Celon, come on now.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
World Champion lumberjack. I think I would say, if you
want to criticize me for opening up contracts for competition,
I wouldn't attack me on the thing that I was
a competitor in and apparently good at. I mean, I
don't know a whole lot about lumberjacking as a competitive sport.
(28:22):
I've been to some lumberjacking competitive sports before, and it's
pretty impressive. There was nothing there that I was capable
of doing. I don't know that I could even work
the chainsaw, like lift the chainsaw that they were using
in it. I mean, and like that fair enough, right,
There's some pretty serious stuff that they do, and especially
for Jack.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I've been to Alaska. I've seen some of those.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Scurrying up a tree with one of those chainsaws and
cutting it down, you know, log by log. It's pretty impressive,
you know, Wes.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm gonna go ahead just say this. I wasn't aware
that Sean Duffy's biggest claim to fame was this climbing
trees thing, this lumberjack competition. I was under the impression
that he was the interim director of NASA, Well, which
want to be a bigger claim to fame.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
And the Secretary of Transportation. I would think that's probably
first all. That's probably first on his resume. I would
think it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Have the name recognition of NASA, but okay, sure you
can go ahead and use a cabinet post that's mine.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
It's a pretty good one. I don't know that the
lumberjack thing is like at the top, I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
I was unaware of that resume point until this Twitter spat, so.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
So thanks for bringing that to our attention.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Elon.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Hey, coming up after one more quick break, we're gonna
talk more Elon and Jeff Bezos and Sam Altman and
others and Mars. We'll do that next, all right, So
(30:07):
we we were at this age now where you have
you know, really wealthy people and the people that are
you know, working obviously in technology, and they have their
opinions on where things are heading when it comes to
life off of the planet, they do, and we've got
some of their thoughts on that in this next story.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, I mean, and just as a preference to the
last story. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you know,
billionaires twitter spatting. It's actually a pretty good spectator sport.
I realize my own place in this world. I could
fade off into obscurity at any instant of time with
very little contributions to either America Space Program or I
(30:51):
beg to different in general.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I beg to differ. My friend, if you are inspiring
people that are standing there watching the Artemis to get stacked,
I think you're you're contributing a lot to the future
for Elon and Bezos and all these guys. So you're
making a contribution so well, you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know, and again I appreciate that, but but I'm just saying,
I'm not saying I'm just saying, it's Elon, we love you, baby,
we love SpaceX we Made of Stars thinks Elon's great.
You could call us grounded from his Twitter account. That's all.
Just sometimes mom should step in and say no, I'm
blocking your Twitter account for three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, that's all. That's all.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
If he wants to come on the show at any point,
we'll have him on. He can call us both dummy
and then we can talk about space.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
All manner of names. If he would just appear on
the Space Made of Stars podcast, that's right, we'd love that.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
So let's start. I guess you want to start who
do you want to start with? You want to start
with Bezos? Yeah, let's start with Bezos.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Because this story is the uh, the trifecta of egos
that came out and we're quoted in various forms in
a Fortune dot Com, Fortune Magazine Fortune dot com story
about this. Will there be millions of people inhabiting space
by twenty forty five, so Jeff Bezos, well, he sees
(32:15):
a bright future for humanity. According to the Fortune dot
Com story, Jeff Bezos says millions of people will be
living in space by twenty forty five. That's a mere
twenty years that's mere two decades from right now. I
would say that sounds like a long time, except I
remember how short of a time. It feels like the
(32:36):
last two decades were ago. Two thousand and five just
doesn't seem that far away to be, But okay, seems
like plenty of time. How far will the space industry
move forward in the next two decades might be a
kind of a subtitle question to this. I will say
that independent economists have looked at the space economy and
(32:57):
say that it's around the six one hundred billion dollar
mark right now. The global of space economy is slated
to grow, according to these independent economists, to one point
eight trillion dollars by the year twenty thirty five. So
that is a gigantic jump forward. That number is bigger
(33:18):
than the GDP of most countries on Earth, and that's
gross gross domestic product, right of most countries on the Earth.
So space as an industry is absolutely going to grow.
It's just that Jeff Bezos was attending what is called
the Italian Tech Week for twenty twenty five and had
some interesting comments. And so the founder of Amazon and
(33:40):
Blue Origin, that company that's competing with SpaceX now for
a spaceland for a moonlander. By the way, so the
founders of Blue Origin came out and said, I don't
see how anybody can be discouraged. Who's alive right now?
Civilization abundance comes from our inventions. By the way, This
is not me, this is still Jeff talking. Okay, so
(34:00):
quoting Jeff Bezos, civilization abundance comes from our inventions. So
ten thousand years ago or whatever it was, remember of
quoting Jeff Bezos ten thousand years ago or whatever. It
was something like that, somebody invented the plow and we
all got richer. I'm talking about all of civilization. These
(34:23):
are tools. In These tools increase our abundance, and that
pattern will continue. Unquote Okay, I gotta get out of
by Jeff Bezos voice here. All of those things were
said by Jeff Bezos at the Italian Tech Week. It's
an interesting point, right, when we advance technologies that make
for the betterment of all human beings, it's never a
zero sum game. It pushes all of our fortunes forward
(34:48):
and the world wealth grows for everybody because of these inventions.
I would claim that recently the cell phone or the
invention of the Internet, or before that, the invention of
the personal computer, are all examples in relatively recent times
of when the paradigms of all of the Earth's economy
(35:10):
have shifted forward and everyone got wealthier. So that's Jeff
Bezos's point. I'm gonna go back into quoting Jeff one
more time. Back into Jeff voice. Here it comes. Quote
in the next kind of couple of decades, he said that.
By the way, next kind of couple of decades. Okay,
back to Jeff voice. In the next kind of couple
of decades, I believe there will be millions of people
(35:33):
living in space. That's how fast this is going to accelerate.
They'll mostly be living there because they want to. We
don't need people to live in space. They want to
live there. If you need to do some work on
the surface of the Moon or elsewhere, we will be
able to send robots to do that work, and that
(35:53):
will be much more cost effective than sending humans. Unquote Okay,
out of Jeff voice. Now those were all his thoughts, right,
you know, the things that we need to do, we
can just send robots to do that. The things we
want to do, well, we'll just go to do that ourselves.
So I'm not saying that I completely agree with Jeff
on all of these points. I think an actual, living,
(36:15):
breathing human geologist on the surface of the Moon or
Mars could do more effective work in about fifteen to
twenty minutes than one robot could do in about three years.
But okay, I do get the point to some degree
that there is going to be a robotic component to
our leaving the planet and going out and exploring the
(36:36):
Solar System. In fact, there already is, but it's going
to be followed up with people who just want the
adventure of going out there and exploring space. So that's
the nature of Jeff Bezos quotes, Well.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
My first thing, and I use a piece of technology
that you referenced in that my phone to verify that
the plow was invented about five thousand years ago or
ten or you know, something like that in Mesopotamia. I
was able to find that pretty quickly while you were talking.
So I'd just like to point that out, you know,
I mean, maybe maybe Jeff doesn't surf the.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Web very much.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Yeah, and he could probably just ask Alexa. That's my guess,
if you know, I'm thinking he would have. That's not
the new wife, right, that's somebody different.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah, no, no, no, that's the little you know, the device.
Actually it's probably triggered actually that I was joking, probably
triggered one of mine just in talking about it. But anyway, well,
what are some of the other rich people think about this?
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, what other rich people should we listen to?
I don't know what about Elon I'm sure he's got
something to say. What about what about Sam Altman, the
CEO of open Ai, which is chat GPT's parent company. Right, So,
so okay, so according to space dot Com and the story,
it's not Oh yeah, that's right, isn't it. Where did
(37:54):
the story come from? Again? I gotta get the right
attribution from Fortune. This is Fortune, it's not Space dot Com. Sorry,
according to Fortune that ran the story. So Sam Altman
came out he had some thoughts about this as well.
And Sam Altman said, you know, it's not just Bezo superdictions,
you know, living working in space. Sam Altman and Elon
(38:15):
Musk both have shared similar predictions. Uh, let's see. Sam
Altman says college graduates will be working some completely new, exciting,
super well paid jobs in space. Unquote. Okay, so if
you wonder, you know, if your parents have a college student,
you're wondering where they're going to work, maybe it's space,
because Sam said so. He said, they'll be working some
(38:36):
completely new, exciting, super well paid jobs in space. That's
according to the CEO of the company that created chat gb.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Doesn't doesn't sound so scary the thought of your graduate
moving across country, now, does it?
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah? I mean, you know it could they could be
living in Iowa, or they could be living in orbit.
That's right.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
That's a little different. So it sounds a little harder
to get home, you know, for the holidays.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Iowa was a little easier to get too. Yeah. So
all right, So chat chat GPT creator said that he's
jealous of young people because his generation's early career jobs
will look boring and old fashioned compared to these new
high tech space jobs. There we go, Sam Altman, let's see.
Elon Musk, richest person on the planet, says he thinks
(39:21):
humans will be on Mars as soon as twenty twenty eight,
with the unmanned SpaceX rockets commencing liftoff for that destination
next year. So he says, you know, he says to say, hey,
you know these starships, which NASA doesn't think we're making
progress enough on. We're not going to be putting people
on the Moon by twenty twenty eight. We're going to
be putting people on Mars by twenty twenty eight. So
(39:44):
you know, yet again a reference to the previous story. Anyway,
So there we go. So what's important about this for
our listeners? What's important about this for the students at
my university, Columbus State University, The space economy. Friends, what
you're having is three tights of industry in the year
twenty twenty five, all three saying the same thing. The
(40:05):
space economy is going to explode. The human presence in
space is going to expand greatly, and there will be
jobs and money associated with it. So what I can
tell you is, if you're not plugged into the space
economy yet and you're still trying to decide what great
degree to have in college, maybe a degree that prepares
(40:28):
you for the new space economy is one of those
degrees you ought to consider. How about a degree like, oh,
I don't know, Astrophysics and planetary geology at Columbus State
University's Department of earthen Space Sciences, or perhaps one of
our brand new robotics engineering degrees, which you heard what
Bezos themselves said. We're gonna be doing a lot of
robotic exploration out there. It's going to be actually assisting
(40:51):
humans in space. You can find out all about these
degree programs at Columbustate dot edu, Columbus State all one word,
do edu, Columbustate dot edu. Or if you just want
to find out more about, you know, the Space Science Center,
we actually have links to these degree programs on our page.
Come visit us at www dot cc s SC dot org.
(41:13):
Charlie Charlie SamSam Charlie dot org. Those initials stand for
Coca Cola Space Science Center And sorry, Wes, I did
the website plug unusually early in our ending of the
podcast there, but there it is.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
It's okay because you said that they should visit the
website to learn more about it, and I would say
they could also ask questions about it while visiting the
Coca Cola Space Science Center on November first, where we
will be having our first ever Made of Stars live
at six pm Saturday, November first, and it's a free event.
(41:45):
You come in, you watch us through this show live
in front of an audience. You'd be part of that audience.
And then immediately after there's also a free event. It's
Astronomy Night. Doctor Rosa Williams and her team will be
pointing telescopes at the sky, which is the best place
to point telescopes by the way. Yeah, because the neighbors
(42:06):
don't like it so much. The neighbors not big fans
of it. But you know, sometimes you got those neighbors
that are fans of it, in which case, you know,
go crazy whatever you're into. But the point is they
will not be pointing them at neighbors. They'll be pointing
them into the sky, weather permitting, of course, but you'll
get some explanation of what you'll be seeing, what's in
(42:27):
the sky, all those fun things. So it's two back
to back free events. It's all just basically packaged in
one big, giant free event taking place at the Cocola
Space Sign Center and it is a little over a
week away and we're in the final stages of planning
all of this. It's free. You don't need tickets. You
just need to show up and put your backside in
a seat and we will do this show there. Now,
(42:50):
this is the other part of this that I haven't
really talked about. We've talked about this for a few weeks.
The number of times that I have had someone asked me,
and I mean, it's a lot when people say, my
kid wants to be a podcaster, Can they come and
watch you do your show one day or one morning,
(43:13):
or you know, one day or whatever. Or you know,
I've got a friend who, you know, thinks that they
we'd like to do a podcast here. Can we come
and watch you do I get asked this often. My
normal response would be absolutely, But you know, we primarily
are doing this. We do this show. You're in your
(43:33):
office and I am in my home studio. I don't
have the big Joe Rogan home studio. I've got a
significantly smaller studio than Joe Rogan. And I'm not overly
big on people just roaming around in my house. So
that's the other part of it. But this is a
great opportunity for folks to come and watch a podcast
(43:55):
be done live, and it'll be a little different than
what we normally do because we'll be there together, you know,
right there inside the planetarium. But that's another aspect of this.
So if you're one of the many people who've asked, hey,
can my kid come and watch you do a podcast? Yes,
on November the first.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And wes Ostensibly the way this event began, we're actually
doing a part of the lecture series for the Department
of Earthen Space Sciences. And the reason we were asked
to do that is because my good friend, doctor Troy Keller,
who's the department chair, said, hey, we want our students
to see how a podcast is done, because we all
(44:39):
are understanding new media, right. So so those students are
going to be, you know, trained scientists because they're getting
degrees from the Department of Earth and Space Sciences, but
they might want to include that aspect in their future
careers where they're relating to a community an audience via
the internet through something like their very own podcasts. So
(45:00):
this is an opportunity for those CSU students to get
that inside look at how a podcast is actually put together.
And for some crazy reason, that shows us. But okay,
that's fine, we can do it. And so, I mean,
you're an excellent podcaster, don't get me wrong, but you know,
I feel like I'm just the comedy relief on the show.
So so anyway, I'm just happy to be a part
of it, and we do try to have fun on
(45:21):
the show. We probably will have a little extra fun
that night. I'm just guessing that some of the silly
things that Wes and I say along the way will
be enhanced because we're going to be in front of
actual people's, right, and not just looking at each other.
We'll actually have human beings who are reacting to some
of the silly things we say. That's right, It could
be quite a fun evening. So yeah, coming out and
(45:42):
join us. If you've made it to this point in
this podcast, you're a dedicated listener, right, You're the kind
of person that absolutely should come out and see that
podcast recorded live.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
And we have now done over two hundred and fifty
episodes of this podcast. This is number two fifty one.
And you know I'm not this is not.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Me, do it.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
You mentioned me being a veteran podcaster, like I'm closing
in on two thousand episodes across the board of shows
I do. I do seven shows a week, so this
is one of them. So I got a little tread,
you know, left on the tires. But I've done I've
done some. I've got a little wear and tear on things.
(46:22):
I've done it a little bit. So we'd like you
to be part of at least one of those almost
two thousand shows.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (46:29):
So join us on November first, Sean and I thank
you for listening, and we will do this again next week.
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