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Now establishing data link accessing. Helloand welcome to Make It So, episode
number forty six. I'm Mike Dawsonand with me today. Hi, I'm
Mike Stora, Michael Stora. Soyou have two mics for the price of
one. No will trust from thisweek and no Richard Smith unfortunately, but
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we shall make do. Thanks.So, Michael, you come up with
a very interesting idea for a showtoday. We were a bit stumped,
weren't we. We were sifting foran idea. We were sifting like more
may I dare I say legitimate ideasif you know what I mean? More
based within the actual series. Well, we were looking and we were thinking,
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and then there were there was acouple that I suggested that you weren't
quite comfortable with because yeah, yeah, best levels of geek knowledge not quite
up to it and stuff like that. So we thought we would go for
something a little bit more arbitrary,something a little bit more subjective, left
field, slightly left field, abit of a curveball here for you.
Okay, what we're basically going todo to mix our sporting metaphors and continue,
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We're gonna be swimming on the wrongside of the tracks. And we're
gonna be talking about I don't knowwhere that one came from anyway, We're
I don't know where either of nono idea and the blackest thing that's that's
not sporting, wrong side of wrongside of tracks swimming anyway, Who gives
a ship? Not me. Sowe have a list of actors and we're
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basically going to go through them oneat a time and talk about if they
were in Star Trek, who wouldthey have played? Yeah, you know,
because obviously Star Trek, you know, it's got some cracking actors in.
You know, Patrick's Jurt, youknow, Will Wheaton, what's his
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name, every Brooks, Garrett Whang. But it's got some bad actors in
as well, you know what Imean. Most of the cast is a
bit and it just if you gotthe chance to get any actor in any
role for a series or a film. Basically, this was the concept.
Well, this isn't a wish listso much because if we had time to
come together a wish list crew,that would be quite interesting. We should
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do that for another show at sometime. But this is a sort of
this is just a list of Hollywoodstars or well stars of films and what
they would what they would be doingin Star Trek if they were theoretically to
ever be in Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. First
on the list Kevin Spacey. Nowthis is a good one because he has
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the word space in his name.This is this one was one of what
one of my ones. Basically,you know, the guys that came back
in time to meet Archer in Enterprise. Yes, we really like very very
tight little fringes and they've been clean, very yes, neat and slightly like
a kind of I don't know,and almost in comedy vision of the future,
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you know what I mean. You'vegot the Alec Guinness sort of reserve
there. Yeah, you can imagineGivin Spacey being a very interesting sort of
mini middle manager, sort of captainof the Enterprise, but with the subtleties
and kind of with his charisma aswell, he could get through it quite
well, I think, in theway that someone like Alec Guinness can get
through a role that could be quitedull. Are you seeing him sort of
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like one of the temporal agents thenone of the people who goes back in
time and message I mean, I'mreally that just that setting it in that
vision of the future. Really.Well, he's got the superiority, hasn't
he. He's got that smug sortof superior look about him, which,
well he can he can have that, he can have that air about him,
which would certainly lend himself to thatthat. I mean, he is
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obviously an actor that could blame manyroles in Star Trek. He could a
very good actor. But yeah,no, I saw him as that.
I just think he could do theclean, anal sort of administrative type well,
but still in charge of something likea starship or traveling through time and
doing her right things. But it'sa British Empire sort of way. I'm
sort of seeing him in a LeicesterBurnham in a Starfleet uniform, Lester Burnham
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American beauty character, the chapoo sortof that. That kind of that mixed
with the kind of slightly neuroticness,only slight neuroticness of usual suspects. But
yeah, that Lester Burnham thing,but more more straight laced. Yeah,
not smoking pot and doing the weightsand buying a five fire bird is it
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or tebird teabird tea bird, Idon't know. Um, yeah, I'm
chucking plates across the room. Yeah, No, it's not stuff, not
having histy fits and stuff. I'vebeen very kind of control control, maybe
a bit like the sort of morecontrolled side of his character and swimming with
sharks, that sort of thing,you know, a little bit like is
it rape Finds or Ralph or oneof the finds that's in the English patient,
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but without the annoying German nous andover the topness. Right, so
really kind of trim, and youknow his mannerism is very controlled, right
do you see what I mean?Yeah, with the Germans? Okay,
So Kevin Spacey as a temporal agentor captain or a just of that era,
okay, next on the list,Next on the list, a brit
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Terrence Stamp again could play anyone,couldn't he really play almost anyone? I
couldn't see him as a betazoid,but no, no, I couldn't.
Yeah, I sense he's lying tome. Tell him I'm coming. He'd
make a cracking romulent. He'd makea cracking vulcan, He'd make a cracking
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he'd make a brilliant cling on,a little noisy cling on, sitting on
the I am constant as an ovenstar. Yeah, that sort of thing,
like really yeah, I can justsee Terrence Malick sort of dull,
I'm coming fire. He make abad cardassion, He wouldn't make a bad
cardassion. There's someone later on thatI'm I'm heading my bets on that score
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for But yeah, no, hewouldn't make a bad cardassion. You can't
see him as you could see himas one of the founders as well,
true true shape shifter. Yeah,even a very old gem hard ah,
one of the well, one ofthe Dominion. Then just generally yeah,
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right, okay, yeah, Isuppose there's there's that element. I'm sort
of picturing all of the ones thatwe're saying here with the captain's uniform on
first. It's really weird. SeeI think if I'm shoving them in the
captain really because it's it's kind ofan obvious Patrick Stewart choice, if you
know what I mean. Yeah,it's getting the established britis just a little
bit of aggression. Yeah, obviouslyhe's a different character. He would play
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a different character, and obviously he'sgood enough factors to play any character.
But I'm just getting just to gomental in some other alien race, you
know what i mean? Now thatyou're saying it, though, I really
want to see turn and Stamp asa cat, you know, the Enterprise.
I don't know why, it's justone of those just because he'd be
different. I don't know, youwant him to be. Yeah, he
would be different, but i'd wanthim to be really mean, and I
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don't think i'd want the Captain ofthe Enterprise to be really mean. I
think they need to do that.Who said it before, but like they
need to do something the brutal captain. I really want to see that bit
of torture, bit of torture,but a yeah you know that sort of
thing plunder, Yeah, going offViking? Yeah, why not? Okay,
so that's mister Stamp. Next onthe list James Earl Jones, who,
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along with Tony Tard and Alexander Sadig, was in the running to play
Captain Cisco. Apparently, I addthat vocally wouldn't have been bad. I
couldn't use Tom Brew, Yeah,no, definitely. I mean I could
couldn't have seen him in a uniformwithout looking really that. No, Yeah,
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that would have been difficult when he'snot like Ryker Fat where he's kind
of holding his chest out. It'skind of his chest out and cover that
they didn't really have many old man, fat guys wandering around. It's pretty
lean, yeah, but I mean, even like all the Admiralty and everything
else, there wasn't sort of theyeah, the middle Age spread the gut,
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but not not the you know,not actual sort of James sort of
style. Yeah, so I couldsee James Earl Jones as some form of
a Yeah. At one point Idid actually think he was in it,
playing a romulent in an episode calledPegasus. But it wasn't him at all.
But I didn't think it was actuallyhim for a while. But it
wasn't him. Can make an interestingclingon, very interesting cling on. I
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feel that not typical though. Yeah, even though not all of the actors
who play clingons are black, Ialways think that if we're choosing black actors
and then saying they could play goodclingons, it's a teeny bit racist.
Think you get. But what wesay about Terrence Stamp being a good one,
he's not black, that's true,that's true. But then again I
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don't know, I don't know.Yeah, it could be a good,
good click on. Um trying tothink, but cling on that big it
didn't Oh no, the first like, he's not yeah. The first Emperor
was like, was that big?Wasn't What if he's not you know,
he's not warrior chance, you couldmake good yeah, chancellor or something like
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yeah, yeah, one of theretired warrior doctor. Yeah, he could
do that all right. Yeah,but what about some of the more unusual
races for him to be brain Yeah, it was the biggest helmet and the
biggest suit. Oh no, that'sbeen done. Yeah, you wouldn't want
to play up to that stereotype.What about playing something I don't know,
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bizure and spiritualist or something like that. That would be really that would fit
very easily into you know what Imean, Yeah, something like that.
Anyway, I think that that wasjust one of those ones. He'd be
perfect for an alien. Yeah,he'd probably be an alien that you didn't
actually see. Again, you justto want to avoid him playing a dark
claude. Really, that would bewhat you'd be sort of like looking as
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a kind of It could be acue a really interesting QueQue. He's certainly
got the voice. He's cut thepower. He's got the power and that
voice. He just had a differentperspective on being a cute. Yeah,
maybe maybe one who actually is kindof ambivalent and like not not just one
that's not as childish, not aschildish, is actually kind of growing up
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about it and doesn't actually bother peoplethat much. But then you'd have trouble
working him in all the time.Probably be a one off guest star.
Really, wouldn't it have to be? Yeah? Okay, Chow Young Fat
again, could play a lot ofcharacters, could play a lot of different
ones to make a really good likeenterprise captain or something like that. I
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think he'd make a I think allof the people on this list more or
less would make excellent captains. Again, I don't see James Earl Jones as
a captain. I could, Icould see him as a captain. And
there's the ones later on that Iwould argue blindly or not are not captain
material. We'll see, we'll seeas we get to them. But yeah,
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I could see well, actually,yeah, the next one, the
one after the next one. Yeah, there's definitely a couple like no,
you're right, But the first fewpeople on this list I could certainly see
is all being captain chatting fact,yeah you could. Yeah, it could
do a lot of things, really, I mean, it'd make a good
bad and make a good romulin,make a good would make an interesting romulin
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as well. It's quite a kindof I don't know the characters he plays.
He often plays a very kind oftrustworthy sort of character, and the
Romulans don't give that off, youknow what I mean, they're not.
He also plays a lot of cockycharacters as well, Like certainly in his
Hong Kong stuff he plays the cockycharacter quite well. Uh no, no,
no, say as a medic tomorrowtwo or attribute to But there's really
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he's there's a certain amount of energyto him. But then things like Crashing
Tiger, Hidden Dragon, that energyis kind of like more focused internally,
whereas in his earlier stuff it's sortof more exuberant. Because that's the thing.
He could play from your Vulcan,your most moved and internal to your
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gem headr or your cling On.He could play from one to another with
you know, just equally as good. I think. Yeah, especially Jem
Hadar. I think you'd be moreJem Hadda than cling On. Yeah.
I don't know why. Again,I could still see him as the captain
of the Enterpriser, Yeah, yeah, because him is a really good captain.
Yeah, Okay, Jack Nicholson,see this if you're going to say
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what I think you're going to say, greats on my I do not see
him as a captain of any kindof right, No, now this yeah,
this is a this is one thatdoesn't kind of doesn't fit in.
And yeah I can't see him in. He's because he would be like a
Kirk on speed, Yeah, akirk on acid and speed. Yeah.
Let's say, you know Gorilla tranquilizes, punk, speedballs, you know the
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lot he's on everything. Yeah,and he's traveling around in charge of a
spaceship. Yeah, it's dangerous stuff. Yeah. You can just imagine him
sort of malevolently growling at someone acrossthe ins of common just sort of you
know, yeah, how do youblow up ships? So well, I
think of a ship and I takeaway oxygen and gravity something like that.
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You know, you just wouldn't orjust plugged into it somehow. You'd imagine
wiring himself in and screaming as heflowed himself into a sun, do you
know what I mean? Running throughhim. It's that sort of a thing.
Yeah, something like that. Ijust sort of another one that's not
on the list, Keith Richards wouldmake an interesting one. Keith Richards in
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the Star Trek at some point.No, no, you're thinking he popp
played the water, which is anodd choice but an interesting one. Again.
Yeah, but no, no,I'd like Keith Richards as some kind
of So mister Nicholson, who doyou reckon? Then, mister Nicholson further
part, I don't know you.It's one of yours. Well, I
was going to say something like areally sadistic for Angie, something a sadest,
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really good idea. I really wantto see that. I'd love I'd
love to see. But I can'tpicture him with the years though. That's
the thing. I can't picture withthe makeup. I can just picture him
sort of being that sort of wireda little bit. I can picture him
with the team. Yeah, Ican definitely picture him with the team.
And yeah, the big grin jokerhe is. How tall is he?
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I don't know him as tall allsort. No, it's about your I
reckon you're about average. So youcould play for ENGI yeah, definitely,
definitely, I think yeah, Ithink it would be a very interesting part
for him. Unfortunately, he mightoutshine Harmon shim Woman for the best for
Angie if he ever ever did that. Yeah, and you don't want to
do that because he's a I'm goodfor a Yeah he would, Yeah,
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you won't want to out out QuarkQuark, but he'd be more of a
mental he'd just be a real sortof scary gangster kind of friend. Maybe
that's like saying that, Oh no, you don't want someone like every Brooks.
Could he he'd outshine someone like PatrickStewarts. You know what I mean.
It's like, no, he's not. They're different. They'll have their
different aspects to being a captain.Yeah, that's true, you know what
I mean, Like he'll have hisdifferent aspects of being a frengie. Right,
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next one was one of yours.Arguably not an actor, Buster rhymes.
No, not an actor has beenin films, has been, does
not necessarily equate being an actor.No, this one or two can be
mutually exclusive, just to point thatout, borg Borg Yeah, Buster rhymes.
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Yeah. Look, imagine those dreadswith wires piling out. He wouldn't
need to do much, that's true, And he wouldn't need to act because
hell he would all those dreads andthose wires coming out, and just his
face would look real with the kindof pallid color and really like you know,
bits sticking out of him. He'dlook brilliant as a ball. That's
another one. I can't see asthe Captain of the Enterprise here. Oh
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god, No, I can't seehim as many other characters. I mean
too, he's not that tall.I don't know whether he's tall or not.
No, I think he's quite tall, actually normal. But yeah,
no, I don't know. Icouldn't see him as anything else. Really,
Yeah, captain of the Enterprise woulkind of be a bit, you
know, not the pans with thestereotypes, but he's asking the popper cap
and the ass of the Romulan warbirdingmight be obsessing. He's not that bad.
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He's pretty bad, He's not.He always plays gangsters in every film.
I've not seen him in any films. I'm talking about his music,
but all right, and like seeinghim in interviews. To be honest,
I've only heard that one sag wherehe goes yo yo yo yo, yo
yo yo yo. You must haveyou just don't know it. Probably.
Yeah, he's done some really goodtunes. Anyway, that's not what we're
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here, No, but no,I reckon you'd make a mean bag.
He'd look really good as a borg. It's an interesting choice, Michael,
it's an interesting choice. I likeit. You see it. I can
see it. No, I cansee it. But he'd be kind of
a distinguished Borg, which kind ofmakes well, it goes back, because
that's that winds me up that theborg are very he'd just being it for
one scene then like just a normaljust a just normal to a normal borg.
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And just happened to all the borgsto look like they're from different races
rather than a lot of humans orhuman like characters. Yeah, you don't
really, Well, the problem isthat the I mean, the Star Trek
budget is the main thing that getsin the way with that is the fact
that not only if I got tomake an alien, that I've got to
make an alien that looks like adifferent alien, and so kind of that's
why they left it for first contentbefore you ever saw a Kardashian Borg or
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stuff like that. But that wasreally cool. Okay. Next on the
list, for those of you whohaven't yet seen Christopher Worlk and reading the
Three Little Pigs on YouTube, whatyou doing with your life? I've seen?
Oh you have to see it.It's the best ten minutes on YouTube.
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I am standing by this fact.It's brilliant. It's absolutely we're watching
it after dark. Horrible. Ohit's so dark, That's what it sounds
like. It's just saying, youknow, there's wolf. It's a bit
bad wolf. It's just saying,now the pig has a chin I don't
know, came to kill you.Should like show you how he's going to
kill you. It's just like thewolf he forced down, the Chimney wolf
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he burns. It's brilliant. ChristopherWalker. So who were having a meme
cardassion? What he would be onemain cardassion? You would make the best
obsidian order, right, really highlevel, not like Garrick, not really
subtle, really kind of dark efficientsort of no almost no need to pretend,
because he knows he can just go. You know, he's not that
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callous, doesn't he He's got thecallous to sort of. He's not the
spy, he's the hitman. He'sthe assassin's interrogator. Yeah, the interrogator,
the dark what they called almost likean inquisition sort of character, you
know what I mean. You couldimagine him doing well, obviously imagine him
doing horrible things. Yeah, oryeah, you know he looks like he's
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a bit more Section thirty one secuallythought you want I could see him.
I could definite, don't think so, sort of Sloanesque character with a bit
more malice. Yeah, yeah,I could see that, or again even
a head a boss of the sectionthey want. Yeah, but no,
I don't think Tellsia. I know, I don't think he would be Romulans.
He's got a bit too much goingon, if you know what I
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mean, to be kind of reservedand cool about the arrogance. Yeah,
arrogance isn't his thing. That's thething. Like whereas the Romulans are always
generally arrogant, whereas the Cardassians canbe kind of like, yeah, they
can go matter malicious rather than justit's just that they've got this dark side.
Yeah, because you've got your veryrigid, normal Cardassians, like who's
the guy becomes the savior of Cardassireand oh dear, Yeah, he's very
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kind of stern and rigid. Andthen the cats very kind of quite playful
at times, you know what Imean, but with more sick sense of
pleasure in in other people's pain.Yeah, well, he just wants to
fuck here. It doesn't hear theend of the day. Now I can
see I can see Christopher walk Anddoing any of those again, you know,
in the sort of the same waythat I could see Terren Stamp doing
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a kind of more a more Bruceor Captain. I could see him almost
doing a captain and that sort oftake it too far. It would just
be too much like I think againsttype, like for Christopher Walkin would be
brilliant to see. Can you playa cling on? He's a bit too
stylish for a cling on. He'sa bit too skinny for a cling on
as well. No, No,you can. You can make him.
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You can make him look bigger.H you make him look he's quite a
tall chap. He looks pretty bigin th cling ons are subtle enough to
go with his anerisms or that speech. Yeah, as you say, speech
patterns a bit too. Today isa good day to die. You know,
it doesn't quite work, does itfor my family? An Now I'm
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imagining him in the makeup doing it. It's just and now I'm imagining that
fat Boy Slim video with him inthe makeup dancing like that. Yeah,
that's really weird and you've taken itto another one. Now, okay,
right, next one, This oneis one of mine, and you don't
really know who he is. He'scalled Klaus Kinskey for those of you out
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there who don't know, and I'msure there are a few who don't.
He's a German actor, is acomplete nutcase. He worked with director well
one director primarily called He's unfortunately dead. So this is completely out of the
realms of reality. But then therest of the list is as well,
so who cares but the but hewas, Yeah, he was an absolute
nutcase and just had this real sortof ferocious sort of anger about him.
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And like the Hurtzog and Kinsky likethreatened to kill each other and Kinsky wants
threatened to walk off his set.Well, I was going to get a
boat and travel off his set inthe middle of the Amazon, and Hurtzog
grabbed the gun and said, ifyou get on that boat before you hit
the river bend, there's going tobe seven bullets in the back of your
head and one bullet in mine,and like that kind of real intense relationship
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and it's really sort of mad,and I can just see him as a
cling on. I'm not even goingto try with any of the other ones.
I can just see him as anabsolute nut case of a cling one.
I'll have to show you a gear. He's just he's just such a
dark energy. I'll show you thatas well. Yeah, but he's Yeah,
he's really good. That's a quickone, really, because it's a
bit you don't have a clue heis, So there's no room for banter.
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Okay, now we're on two actresses, Angeline. Oh no, actually,
let's not go there. Yeah,Morgan Freeman, we've got one.
See this one would be ultimate cheese, but then you could take it to
even bigger lengths of cheese. Ithink I was thinking Marquis, which is
quite you know, he's wholesome,he's good, he's lovable. But he'd
narrate the entire episode. So youjust feel warm. But you're doing that,
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you know you're in the Marquis,you're doing the right thing. No
more narration, No more narration,Morgan, leave the narration alone. Oh,
it would be lovely. Step awayfrom the narration. Morgan. Yeah,
no, I could see him doingthat. Could never be a FERENGI
could never know. No, couldnever be Jemper obviously be a founder,
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could be a Cube. But I'monly thinking that because of Bruce Almighty could
be a founder, could be Icould imagine him if he acted like a
nasty guy, being quite a goodfounder, because he's got that kind of
nice and then you know what Imean, associate something nice but then he's
brutal. Yeah, But then atthe same time, I don't think his
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niceness could be Cardassian Obsidian Order orteam, you know, I mean,
I don't think he could then fitinto that unless mm hmm. I've never
seen him act like that. Yeah. See, the founders think they're good.
That's the thing they're not. Theydon't sit there think arrogance. Morgan
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arrogance that stops them. Thing we'vesaid on movies you should see a couple
of occasions is that Morgan Freeman doesn'tdo bad guys very well. And we've
seen seen him Lucky Number seven.He's he's supposed to be a bit of
a nasty bastard, really, andI think it's sort of a misstep in
the direction in that film. Butthey're sort of like him and Ben Kingsley
are these gangsters and you're just sittinglook at it's like you're Morgan Freeman.
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You're not a gangster, and you'reand you're yeah, and you're gandy off.
So but then again, I've seensexy beasts, so I don't need
to question. And he's in thatis yeah, attribute to what a good
actually is. And he also playshimself on The Sopranos in one episode and
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brilliant absolutely insists to everyone calls himsir in the episode things like that,
and he no, God, no, I don't know. I'd sort of
walk around and then if someone likesaid it to me every now and then
I'd be, oh, that's niceif I was, if I was knighted,
but if if I wouldn't go aroundat Actually it's sir, Michael Dawson.
I know you can't acquire these things, but I wouldn't like, I
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wouldn't mind something like Baron Baron.It's something ridiculous. Baron's story. You
can put Sarah in front of yourname. It's quite reserved, you know,
quite sensible. You know, youjust happened to be honored. Baron's
story. It's pretty good account onCount Viscount Viscount, like the Chocolate Viceroy.
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Well, yeah, but then I'dhave to kind of rule somebody over.
I could be a viscount and bekind of a puppet viscount. I
don't want to be a viceroy becausethen I'd have to kind of govern people
quite harshly. I think. Yeah, look, okay, so now onto
the actresses. Now onto the actresses. Okay, So given away slightly by
the first syllable I said, beforeI realize we still had Morgan Freeman Angelina
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Jolie years and now are you sayingthat because she's a bit to polish,
because that was your suggestion, wasn'tit. What she's a bit to Polish?
Okay, to paul to Paula topolish. She's not a bit too
polish. Yeah, some way ofsaying she's fit. She's a bit to
polish. She's a bit to polish, isn't she. Yeah, gosh,
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we should start that around Tristan.Yeah. He picks things up quick,
he picks things up thing. Yeah, So Tristan, if you're listening to
Polish now it's she's a bit topolish. Yeah, yeah, No,
Angelina Jolie, I was thinking asa Romulu. Really yeah, yes,
she's a bit to polish. No, she can't act, but she can
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do. Yes, I can docold and blank. Yeah, she can
do cold and blank. She isalso a bit meaner. And you could
imagine her with a nice v thingand not with it in a forehead the
ving a hair. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to make a green
or anything too green, but unfortunatelythat is a prerequisite of being a romula.
You can be orange. Yeah,it could be an orange one Dinah
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Murray and Dena Meyer, Dena Meyerin Nemesis. I don't know. There's
a few orange ones. There's acouple of orange ones banging around as well.
But I think she don't. Youthink she'd make a good at least
looks wise, I mean acting wiseas well. She doesn't really need to
act much. She can be coldand blank and yeah destrition list, which
is why she's pretty good. Andshe's not good enough or logical. I
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couldn't imagine her kind of spouting logicto me. No, I couldn't see
it as a vulcan. And Ithink that's why romulin kind of fits the
bill. Just a bit meaner.It's just a bit meaner than a vulcan.
Lips on a romulin as well,it's always a good thing. Yeah,
okay, it's got lips. Shedoes have lips. You can't really
deny that she's got lips. Um, okay, all right, so Raduloli
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gets romulan treatment. Naomi Watts whois? Naomi Watts is the blonde English
slash Australian girl who was in twentyone Grahams. You know who I mean?
You see any different film now,I'm struggling to name one that she's
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been in. Hang on, I'lljust grab the case. You mutter something.
Yeah, anyway, Um, Angelina'sJolie's lips are lovely and there's no
decent picture of her on the case, but that's the one that she's in.
So yeah, she's she's really good. She's yeah, she in.
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I heart huckerb is yes, probablyyeah. Very talented actor, Yeah she
she is. She's got a nicecharm to her as well. It's kind
of like the like the way youlike Tom Hanks. It's kind of a
charm and that shows. Believe me, I don't like Naomi. What's in
the way I like Tom Hanks?No, but you know what I mean.
You can see a charm to heract Yeah, Okay, I'm not
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saying that she's the same sort ofactor as Tom Hanks. I've seen her
do much more kind of out therestuff than Tom Hanks. But yeah,
okay, and she's fit and TomHanks isn't. That's true. This is
sort of where I was going withit. She'd make an interesting again,
going back to the whole captains ofthe Enterprise thing, I'd love to see
because the thing is like with there'sno rule that says that the captain of
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a ship in Star Trek, ifshe be female, has to be old
and has to be Kirk wasn't old? How old wasn't old? You know
they were probably I mean Kirk inthe sixties was probably about the same age
as Naomi what's his now? Sothere's no sort of there's no reason why
that has to be that way,And so I sort of say, like,
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because we'll get onto that later onbecause we've got a couple more on
this list too, would sort offit that bill, but there's yeah,
I think she'd be an interesting choicefor sort of a starfleet captain because she's
young, kind of like Shelby andbest of both worlds, you know,
that annoying blonde one who beats Rykerat poker and he wants to die all
the way through both episodes, butthen she doesn't, and you think she's
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going to come back and she doesn't, thank God. But yeah, she's
kind of like that, but likeless annoying. And do you think she
could command the gravitas to command people? You know what I mean? I
think she could. I think ifyou're certainly are given what I've never think,
I don't think. No, Idon't. Well, you need to
watch that film, because she's I'veseen her acting things. I've never seen
her acting in anything that's that kindof the thing. Is like, she's
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not I've never seen her player commandingpart. But I don't think she'll ever
she's ever been given one. Yeah, to be fair, given how good
she is in that film twenty oneGrams and given how good she is and
other stuff that I've seen, Iimagined that she could do that. Per
se. I can't believe we justsaid that. How would you direct her
in it? Then? Would youmake her a very aggressive sort of female
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captain? Would you make her avery authoritarian? Quite? Trip depends on
what the character, depends on whatthe character is. I mean, I
think what would how would the captainhas to have some element of I mean
all of the captains and star Trekhave had elements of aggression. They've got
to have all of those at someyou know, at some stages, in
different levels. I wouldn't have heras the typical because there's always that knee
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jerk reaction to make them overly maternal. And again it's all no, because
well, yeah, Janeway's like she'smaternal and she's kind of like looking after
them all and horrible. I've neverthought she was maternal. Well, she's
sort of softly spoken and like,oh, I've ever kind of you know,
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well, because if that's because ifshe spoke up, you'd think she
was barking. That's true, that'strue. Maybe that's a bit. I
mean, i've met your mum.She'sn't. No, I don't mean my
idea of maternal. They try tothat element far more than any of the
other met my mom. That's moreassociatable. But yeah, it's like,
god, that's quite I couldn't.I don't ever see her as very maternal.
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I don't see No, I don'tsee her is my ideal of maternal.
Yeah, more of a matrony kindof thing. But I think that
they tried to push you in amaternal kind of way, especially with what's
his name, useless guy Garrett Wang, the other guy, not Garrett Wang,
because he's the actor, the characterKim, Harry Kim, you know,
trying to push him in. Youknow that their relationship was very sort
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of maternal in that kind of respect, whereas it doesn't have to be that
kind of parent figure, and itdoesn't have to be and it doesn't necessarily
to be like just going out toexplore kind of like that sort of thing
really kind of gun. Again,it depends on what the character is,
but I don't you know, there'sthat instant knee jerk reaction with making strong
female in even making even making theminto internal characters or making them into somehow
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overly sexual characters, which is sortof you know, any militaristic sort of
characters, like what was her namefirst security. Yeah, but even tashi
Ya was over sexed compared to them, only the male characters in that sort
in that sort of area. Andit's again, it just sort of harks
back to either a woman a femalewriter trying to push it in the other
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direction too. Far or a malewriter not really knowing what the hell to
do with a woman in authority,and so oh well, let's make it,
let's make her of it sexy,whereas actually you can just actually maybe
try writing a real woman for achange, and that would maybe help your
show a little bit. But hey, nah, just bring back those little
skirts. Yeah that the men wereas well. That wasn't redd okay.
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So next on the list is amore is now this is from the actual
you said it actually without even readingthe thread on the forum. There is
there is one on the forum aboutrecasting Voyager, and somebody put in straightaway
Helen Mirren perfect perfect, and I'dnever even thought of it until I read
it, and then I just suddenlyjust of course saying that she's also another
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one that could play anyone. Thatis true, she could. I could
see us playing a good Forerengie.I've seen her play very weak, sort
of almost broken and slightly bitter characters, and I could see him playing cling
On as well, I mean femalecling On. She's not big that would
need to do it. She's quitebig in certain areas, but not big
in height wise, so that needto be doctored a bit. But you
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could cheat that, what you couldcheat that exactly, exactly, and she
could make a pretty you know,they made Jonathan Frakes look handsome, so
I mean, I'm sure they cancheat that. I don't know they so
this day was that a little admitJonathan two takes freaks two takes. So
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yeah, I think I think HelenMirren will be an absolute cracking one for
that. But given the fact thatshe's won Best Actress at the Emmy's the
other day, and she won BestActress the Oscars earlier this year, might
be out of the price bracket.She might also be slightly out of the
caliber. I mean, even nextto Patrick Stewart and Avery Brooks, she
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might still be a little bit outof the caliber, a little bit out
of the price range. But she'sfantastic. Have you ever watched Prime Suspect?
Yeah, yeah, Bits and Bob'sI love it. I think she's
amazing. I was watching her inElizabeth, the TV one. It's really
good in that, the TV versionof Elizabeth. I haven't seen the Elizabeth
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first story. Yeah, I knowshe's played both Elizabeth's. Yeah, but
yeah, no, the it's reallyshe's really good. I mean, not
taken away from how does she doit in Lizzie One? You're quite fiery.
Yeah, she's very more Judi Denchrather than in No Shakespeare Alo or
Cape Elizabeth. No, No,not Cape Blanchet either. She's not as
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removed as Cape Blanchet. She's muchmore. You see the Queen as a
person. I see the reasons whyshe, you know, wanted Lancaster gone
then wanted him back again. Andis it Lancaster or is it Leicester or
is it I don't know, Leicester, I can't remember whatever his name is.
Um, yeah, Robert m Yeah, Walter Raleigh's in it somewhere.
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Yeah, someone pissed on the floorsis Walsingham who was very dark and Bill
Shakespeare apparently of our doubt that everhappened. Um, but yeah, no,
it's yeah, she's really you know, you see why she reacts to
certain things. You see why atcertain times she's the kind of playful lover
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sort of character, and why atother times she's the screaming harpy character.
You know what I mean, shecan she just plays it really, really
well. Next on the list,Helen marrin so very good, very good
actor, maybe too good but ohmy god, if she'd played Jane Way
anyway, Holly Hunter Yesh is oneof yours again, Yes, and I
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was thinking, again, I don'tsome people have a go at acting.
I think I think she's all right, you know, I mean, I
don't have an issue with her,but she'd make a really good vater.
Yeah, really interesting water, Ireckon. Definitely. She's certainly got the
voice. She's got the voice tosort of a distinctive voice, which kind
of I think all the Waters sortof have very distinctive voice. Again,
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the southern tones can kind of lullyou a bit, and all the Vaters
have been able to kind of,you know, whisper nice were you know,
they've all got quite soft, croakyvoice, so it kind of growls
purse at you. She's got avery kind of she could you know,
a very political voice, let's say. Yeah, No, I could definitely
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see it. And given the otherfemale Vaters that they've had in this series,
it makes sense. I've not seenany other female Waters. I mean
in way Union, Oh there's therewas a couple of the female Orders who
turned up, and she sort offits the bill, doesn't. Yeah,
definitely interesting. It makes me feelless less impressive, and you could keep
killing her off and then bringing herback and stuff like that. You know
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that'd be really good, and it'sbeen perfectly honest. I haven't seen Harleygan
too in very many films. OnlyRaising Arizona springs to mind. And what
was the other one? A lifelessordinary? Oh yeah, and a lifeless
that's the one I'm thinking of specificallyfor this when she's an angel with del
Roy Lindo. But she's a veryadministrative angel. Again, I can't even
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I saw that film once in thecinemas Bard and stuff, and you could
imagine her kind of coming in aswith the hands crossed in front of that
wasn't the end of that film justcompletely insane and didn't make much sense.
I can't remember either, but I'msure it just it just went nuts at
the end. In fact, Ithink I'm getting confused, and I think
she's nothing like what I just said. Anyway, Yeah I could have.
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I think she's not anything like whatyou just said. I think she's kind
of she's just a weird angel withdel Roylendo is really weird. It might
even be del quite emotional at onepoint. I think I can't remember anything
about that film anyway at all?What would you? Could you see her
because she's not one that's far offa star Trek Captain Holly Hunter. Yeah,
I could. I could see heras a pretty short it's short again,
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can be faked true. We're notgoing right. Height's not going to
come into it unless it's ridiculous,unless we'd like talking Gary Coleman or Tom
Cruise, Yeah, which we're not, thankfully obviously. I want to think
when you say Gary colemanly you meanGary cole who's a completely different person anyway.
Carrie Anne Moss, which is thetrinity from the Matrix, and she'd
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take a bitch from Memento. Yeah, she'd be quite good. She'd be
good in both Starfleet as a asa human. She'd also be good as
a vulcan. I think she getsall right carry on. Moss as an
actor kind of gets slated a lotfor being shit. But to be perfectly
honest, most people are judging heron the Matrix trilogy, which barely anyone
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apart from Hugo Weavings, came outof that alive. So I mean it's
it's a sort of a tough oneto judge her. On that. But
I've seen her in another film calledSnowcake, where she's very very good,
and Memento obviously, where she's verygood. I haven't seen her anything else,
but I know that those Old RedPlanet as well. But she's certainly
not bad in that either. No, I think she's actually she is very
(40:30):
good. And I think although Iwouldn't peg her as a captain and I
don't want to just make a captain, she could make a captain. I
could imagine her commanding men. Icould see Naomi, I could imagine doing
it easier. I can see them. But personally she's not. I'm not
saying she couldn't do it. Shejust saying it's not the one that jumps
to mind. She could make areally good battle captain. Like this isn't
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someone going off into space to yeah, to to you know, discover.
Well, this is sort of whatI was king of Terrence Terrence Stamp as
well, yeah again, sort ofyeah, yeah, although Terrence Stamp could
be kind of doing it as akind of oh, I'm going off into
spaces to explore and I'm going tokill a lot of things. You know,
you could see him with the handsort of thing. Whereas he cut
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Yeah, you're cutting her carry onMuss's hair back a bit and made a
bit more militaristic and everything. Yeah, she's got the angular face as well.
She's got very straight lines down.Yeah sort of, Yeah, definitely,
And I mean that's the thing withher. I don't I don't find
her attractive as Trinity at all,but in Snowcake and in Memento, I
think she's much more sultry with herhair down and long and everything. So
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yeah, just get rid of thatand put it back to sort of not
not Trinity esque style, but likecertainly more efficient and military. Yeah,
not not to Tashia or either,but that kind of don't know. I
still think she could make it withwith the long hair kind of wow,
because it would have to be pulledup, it would have to be always
be looking quite you know, quiteregimented. And then when she could have
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a scene, you know, sceneswho see the lovely scenes that they're going
to put in because she's a girlcool of course it well actually know,
to be fair, they normally haveat least one or two lovely scenes for
most of the men, and allof them pretty much. Yeah, Cisco
got married, so I mean,yeah, there's definitely that's the thing though
when they did it with me,when they put in what it goes back
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to what I was saying again aboutthem putting in a young attractive woman in
the part of or you know,moderately young woman into the captain. It
kind of makes you instantly think,oh god, that if they put in
naughty scenes or if she has arelationship with someone else, just it just
instantly makes them feel like thing becauselike they didn't right twist it, do
a real kind of honest lesbian thing, like not not on a kind of
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a lesbian thing at all, ourplayboy, a real lesbian sort of thing
where she's like, you know againthat knows he's que cut that even if
you wanted to do it real,and even if you wanted to actually do
it like honestly, you'd still seelesbian in Star Trek Commanding and Yip.
Okay, first of all, howmany PC boxes do you want to take?
And second of all, how manycliches do you want to take?
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At the same time, Even ifyou were doing it honestly, you'd still
have those. You'd have so manypeople giving you shit about it. Lesbian
cling on lesbians in space, comeon, Not a chance. I wasn't
thinking b movie. I was thinkingjust making it a bit more real.
Not a chance, even if youtry, if it was real, even
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if you try to make it morereal. Not a chance anyway. So
we have been make it so forthe week and we've come to the end
of our list. That was it. That was it. The full list.
We went through all of them.Oh we had more than I thought
we had more than that as well, but no we didn't. So yeah,
if you liked this show, andI hope you did, then you
can listen to other shows on thenetwork and they're all great. This week
(43:52):
on Definitive Word, we're talking aboutmatch on Us and masculinity, and on
movies you should see we are talkingabout the wonderful film glad Iata and you
can listen to us try to talkabout that for more than five minutes.
Also, if Richard's done it,then there's a or do you think that's
just bollocks? And weekend watches,I don't know if there is going to
(44:14):
be one this week, but theremight be or Man of the House.
You can listen to those all onsimply here, and you can check out
stuff on the website, which issimply syndicated dot com. I'll go there.
Oh and albums you should hit theone. Yeah, that album one
albums you should hear. Probably don'tmention that one since they got mentioned in
the Guardian and they've topped the fuckingmusic charts. Bastard. You only been
(44:35):
around six episodes. You're already kickingour ass. You know, quality not
quantity. Yeah, and as Isay, no, i've been deserted.
It's been I'm you wouldn't want toshow just with me. I've been trying
a black Craig to do one.I'll happily do one. You could do
a good one. I'll happily doone. Just what can I do it?
I need to get calling up fromMilton Keynes and obviously we're basing leads
(44:58):
and things are a bit tight fortime basically with people, so sorry about
that. But there will be onesoon in the pipeline. We've got things
like Charles Mingus. No, youand I can do one at some point.
Yeah, man, No, Idon't know an EEno very well.
You could do a good eno,I reckon. Yeah, anyway, I
(45:19):
mean that's the thing I've got toreserve radiohead for Colin. There's no chance
that we can do a radiohead withoutColin. God damn it. We could
do a radiohead if we go himup. Okay, all right, anyway,
so yeah, listen to the othershows and check us out and do
that lovely stuff that you do,and we will see you next week.
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And I think it will you bejoining me again week. You will excellent.
Okay, goodbye bye,
Now establishing data link accessing. Helloand welcome to Make It So, episode
number forty six. I'm Mike Dawsonand with me today. Hi, I'm
Mike Stora, Michael Stora. Soyou have two mics for the price of
one. No will trust from thisweek and no Richard Smith unfortunately, but
(00:21):
we shall make do. Thanks.So, Michael, you come up with
a very interesting idea for a showtoday. We were a bit stumped,
weren't we. We were sifting foran idea. We were sifting like more
may I dare I say legitimate ideasif you know what I mean? More
based within the actual series. Well, we were looking and we were thinking,
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and then there were there was acouple that I suggested that you weren't
quite comfortable with because yeah, yeah, best levels of geek knowledge not quite
up to it and stuff like that. So we thought we would go for
something a little bit more arbitrary,something a little bit more subjective, left
field, slightly left field, abit of a curveball here for you.
Okay, what we're basically going todo to mix our sporting metaphors and continue,
(01:07):
We're gonna be swimming on the wrongside of the tracks. And we're
gonna be talking about I don't knowwhere that one came from anyway, We're
I don't know where either of nono idea and the blackest thing that's that's
not sporting, wrong side of wrongside of tracks swimming anyway, Who gives
a ship? Not me. Sowe have a list of actors and we're
(01:30):
basically going to go through them oneat a time and talk about if they
were in Star Trek, who wouldthey have played? Yeah, you know,
because obviously Star Trek, you know, it's got some cracking actors in.
You know, Patrick's Jurt, youknow, Will Wheaton, what's his
(01:52):
name, every Brooks, Garrett Whang. But it's got some bad actors in
as well, you know what Imean. Most of the cast is a
bit and it just if you gotthe chance to get any actor in any
role for a series or a film. Basically, this was the concept.
Well, this isn't a wish listso much because if we had time to
come together a wish list crew,that would be quite interesting. We should
(02:15):
do that for another show at sometime. But this is a sort of
this is just a list of Hollywoodstars or well stars of films and what
they would what they would be doingin Star Trek if they were theoretically to
ever be in Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. First
on the list Kevin Spacey. Nowthis is a good one because he has
(02:37):
the word space in his name.This is this one was one of what
one of my ones. Basically,you know, the guys that came back
in time to meet Archer in Enterprise. Yes, we really like very very
tight little fringes and they've been clean, very yes, neat and slightly like
a kind of I don't know,and almost in comedy vision of the future,
(03:00):
you know what I mean. You'vegot the Alec Guinness sort of reserve
there. Yeah, you can imagineGivin Spacey being a very interesting sort of
mini middle manager, sort of captainof the Enterprise, but with the subtleties
and kind of with his charisma aswell, he could get through it quite
well, I think, in theway that someone like Alec Guinness can get
through a role that could be quitedull. Are you seeing him sort of
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like one of the temporal agents thenone of the people who goes back in
time and message I mean, I'mreally that just that setting it in that
vision of the future. Really.Well, he's got the superiority, hasn't
he. He's got that smug sortof superior look about him, which,
well he can he can have that, he can have that air about him,
which would certainly lend himself to thatthat. I mean, he is
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obviously an actor that could blame manyroles in Star Trek. He could a
very good actor. But yeah,no, I saw him as that.
I just think he could do theclean, anal sort of administrative type well,
but still in charge of something likea starship or traveling through time and
doing her right things. But it'sa British Empire sort of way. I'm
sort of seeing him in a LeicesterBurnham in a Starfleet uniform, Lester Burnham
(04:10):
American beauty character, the chapoo sortof that. That kind of that mixed
with the kind of slightly neuroticness,only slight neuroticness of usual suspects. But
yeah, that Lester Burnham thing,but more more straight laced. Yeah,
not smoking pot and doing the weightsand buying a five fire bird is it
(04:32):
or tebird teabird tea bird, Idon't know. Um, yeah, I'm
chucking plates across the room. Yeah, No, it's not stuff, not
having histy fits and stuff. I'vebeen very kind of control control, maybe
a bit like the sort of morecontrolled side of his character and swimming with
sharks, that sort of thing,you know, a little bit like is
it rape Finds or Ralph or oneof the finds that's in the English patient,
(04:55):
but without the annoying German nous andover the topness. Right, so
really kind of trim, and youknow his mannerism is very controlled, right
do you see what I mean?Yeah, with the Germans? Okay,
So Kevin Spacey as a temporal agentor captain or a just of that era,
okay, next on the list,Next on the list, a brit
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Terrence Stamp again could play anyone,couldn't he really play almost anyone? I
couldn't see him as a betazoid,but no, no, I couldn't.
Yeah, I sense he's lying tome. Tell him I'm coming. He'd
make a cracking romulent. He'd makea cracking vulcan, He'd make a cracking
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he'd make a brilliant cling on,a little noisy cling on, sitting on
the I am constant as an ovenstar. Yeah, that sort of thing,
like really yeah, I can justsee Terrence Malick sort of dull,
I'm coming fire. He make abad cardassion, He wouldn't make a bad
cardassion. There's someone later on thatI'm I'm heading my bets on that score
(06:06):
for But yeah, no, hewouldn't make a bad cardassion. You can't
see him as you could see himas one of the founders as well,
true true shape shifter. Yeah,even a very old gem hard ah,
one of the well, one ofthe Dominion. Then just generally yeah,
(06:27):
right, okay, yeah, Isuppose there's there's that element. I'm sort
of picturing all of the ones thatwe're saying here with the captain's uniform on
first. It's really weird. SeeI think if I'm shoving them in the
captain really because it's it's kind ofan obvious Patrick Stewart choice, if you
know what I mean. Yeah,it's getting the established britis just a little
bit of aggression. Yeah, obviouslyhe's a different character. He would play
(06:48):
a different character, and obviously he'sgood enough factors to play any character.
But I'm just getting just to gomental in some other alien race, you
know what i mean? Now thatyou're saying it, though, I really
want to see turn and Stamp asa cat, you know, the Enterprise.
I don't know why, it's justone of those just because he'd be
different. I don't know, youwant him to be. Yeah, he
would be different, but i'd wanthim to be really mean, and I
(07:10):
don't think i'd want the Captain ofthe Enterprise to be really mean. I
think they need to do that.Who said it before, but like they
need to do something the brutal captain. I really want to see that bit
of torture, bit of torture,but a yeah you know that sort of
thing plunder, Yeah, going offViking? Yeah, why not? Okay,
so that's mister Stamp. Next onthe list James Earl Jones, who,
(07:32):
along with Tony Tard and Alexander Sadig, was in the running to play
Captain Cisco. Apparently, I addthat vocally wouldn't have been bad. I
couldn't use Tom Brew, Yeah,no, definitely. I mean I could
couldn't have seen him in a uniformwithout looking really that. No, Yeah,
(07:57):
that would have been difficult when he'snot like Ryker Fat where he's kind
of holding his chest out. It'skind of his chest out and cover that
they didn't really have many old man, fat guys wandering around. It's pretty
lean, yeah, but I mean, even like all the Admiralty and everything
else, there wasn't sort of theyeah, the middle Age spread the gut,
(08:18):
but not not the you know,not actual sort of James sort of
style. Yeah, so I couldsee James Earl Jones as some form of
a Yeah. At one point Idid actually think he was in it,
playing a romulent in an episode calledPegasus. But it wasn't him at all.
But I didn't think it was actuallyhim for a while. But it
wasn't him. Can make an interestingclingon, very interesting cling on. I
(08:43):
feel that not typical though. Yeah, even though not all of the actors
who play clingons are black, Ialways think that if we're choosing black actors
and then saying they could play goodclingons, it's a teeny bit racist.
Think you get. But what wesay about Terrence Stamp being a good one,
he's not black, that's true,that's true. But then again I
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don't know, I don't know.Yeah, it could be a good,
good click on. Um trying tothink, but cling on that big it
didn't Oh no, the first like, he's not yeah. The first Emperor
was like, was that big?Wasn't What if he's not you know,
he's not warrior chance, you couldmake good yeah, chancellor or something like
(09:26):
yeah, yeah, one of theretired warrior doctor. Yeah, he could
do that all right. Yeah,but what about some of the more unusual
races for him to be brain Yeah, it was the biggest helmet and the
biggest suit. Oh no, that'sbeen done. Yeah, you wouldn't want
to play up to that stereotype.What about playing something I don't know,
(09:52):
bizure and spiritualist or something like that. That would be really that would fit
very easily into you know what Imean, Yeah, something like that.
Anyway, I think that that wasjust one of those ones. He'd be
perfect for an alien. Yeah,he'd probably be an alien that you didn't
actually see. Again, you justto want to avoid him playing a dark
claude. Really, that would bewhat you'd be sort of like looking as
(10:13):
a kind of It could be acue a really interesting QueQue. He's certainly
got the voice. He's cut thepower. He's got the power and that
voice. He just had a differentperspective on being a cute. Yeah,
maybe maybe one who actually is kindof ambivalent and like not not just one
that's not as childish, not aschildish, is actually kind of growing up
(10:35):
about it and doesn't actually bother peoplethat much. But then you'd have trouble
working him in all the time.Probably be a one off guest star.
Really, wouldn't it have to be? Yeah? Okay, Chow Young Fat
again, could play a lot ofcharacters, could play a lot of different
ones to make a really good likeenterprise captain or something like that. I
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think he'd make a I think allof the people on this list more or
less would make excellent captains. Again, I don't see James Earl Jones as
a captain. I could, Icould see him as a captain. And
there's the ones later on that Iwould argue blindly or not are not captain
material. We'll see, we'll seeas we get to them. But yeah,
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I could see well, actually,yeah, the next one, the
one after the next one. Yeah, there's definitely a couple like no,
you're right, But the first fewpeople on this list I could certainly see
is all being captain chatting fact,yeah you could. Yeah, it could
do a lot of things, really, I mean, it'd make a good
bad and make a good romulin,make a good would make an interesting romulin
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as well. It's quite a kindof I don't know the characters he plays.
He often plays a very kind oftrustworthy sort of character, and the
Romulans don't give that off, youknow what I mean, they're not.
He also plays a lot of cockycharacters as well, Like certainly in his
Hong Kong stuff he plays the cockycharacter quite well. Uh no, no,
no, say as a medic tomorrowtwo or attribute to But there's really
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he's there's a certain amount of energyto him. But then things like Crashing
Tiger, Hidden Dragon, that energyis kind of like more focused internally,
whereas in his earlier stuff it's sortof more exuberant. Because that's the thing.
He could play from your Vulcan,your most moved and internal to your
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gem headr or your cling On.He could play from one to another with
you know, just equally as good. I think. Yeah, especially Jem
Hadar. I think you'd be moreJem Hadda than cling On. Yeah.
I don't know why. Again,I could still see him as the captain
of the Enterpriser, Yeah, yeah, because him is a really good captain.
Yeah, Okay, Jack Nicholson,see this if you're going to say
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what I think you're going to say, greats on my I do not see
him as a captain of any kindof right, No, now this yeah,
this is a this is one thatdoesn't kind of doesn't fit in.
And yeah I can't see him in. He's because he would be like a
Kirk on speed, Yeah, akirk on acid and speed. Yeah.
Let's say, you know Gorilla tranquilizes, punk, speedballs, you know the
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lot he's on everything. Yeah,and he's traveling around in charge of a
spaceship. Yeah, it's dangerous stuff. Yeah. You can just imagine him
sort of malevolently growling at someone acrossthe ins of common just sort of you
know, yeah, how do youblow up ships? So well, I
think of a ship and I takeaway oxygen and gravity something like that.
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You know, you just wouldn't orjust plugged into it somehow. You'd imagine
wiring himself in and screaming as heflowed himself into a sun, do you
know what I mean? Running throughhim. It's that sort of a thing.
Yeah, something like that. Ijust sort of another one that's not
on the list, Keith Richards wouldmake an interesting one. Keith Richards in
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the Star Trek at some point.No, no, you're thinking he popp
played the water, which is anodd choice but an interesting one. Again.
Yeah, but no, no,I'd like Keith Richards as some kind
of So mister Nicholson, who doyou reckon? Then, mister Nicholson further
part, I don't know you.It's one of yours. Well, I
was going to say something like areally sadistic for Angie, something a sadest,
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really good idea. I really wantto see that. I'd love I'd
love to see. But I can'tpicture him with the years though. That's
the thing. I can't picture withthe makeup. I can just picture him
sort of being that sort of wireda little bit. I can picture him
with the team. Yeah, Ican definitely picture him with the team.
And yeah, the big grin jokerhe is. How tall is he?
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I don't know him as tall allsort. No, it's about your I
reckon you're about average. So youcould play for ENGI yeah, definitely,
definitely, I think yeah, Ithink it would be a very interesting part
for him. Unfortunately, he mightoutshine Harmon shim Woman for the best for
Angie if he ever ever did that. Yeah, and you don't want to
do that because he's a I'm goodfor a Yeah he would, Yeah,
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you won't want to out out QuarkQuark, but he'd be more of a
mental he'd just be a real sortof scary gangster kind of friend. Maybe
that's like saying that, Oh no, you don't want someone like every Brooks.
Could he he'd outshine someone like PatrickStewarts. You know what I mean.
It's like, no, he's not. They're different. They'll have their
different aspects to being a captain.Yeah, that's true, you know what
I mean, Like he'll have hisdifferent aspects of being a frengie. Right,
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next one was one of yours.Arguably not an actor, Buster rhymes.
No, not an actor has beenin films, has been, does
not necessarily equate being an actor.No, this one or two can be
mutually exclusive, just to point thatout, borg Borg Yeah, Buster rhymes.
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Yeah. Look, imagine those dreadswith wires piling out. He wouldn't
need to do much, that's true, And he wouldn't need to act because
hell he would all those dreads andthose wires coming out, and just his
face would look real with the kindof pallid color and really like you know,
bits sticking out of him. He'dlook brilliant as a ball. That's
another one. I can't see asthe Captain of the Enterprise here. Oh
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god, No, I can't seehim as many other characters. I mean
too, he's not that tall.I don't know whether he's tall or not.
No, I think he's quite tall, actually normal. But yeah,
no, I don't know. Icouldn't see him as anything else. Really,
Yeah, captain of the Enterprise woulkind of be a bit, you
know, not the pans with thestereotypes, but he's asking the popper cap
and the ass of the Romulan warbirdingmight be obsessing. He's not that bad.
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He's pretty bad, He's not.He always plays gangsters in every film.
I've not seen him in any films. I'm talking about his music,
but all right, and like seeinghim in interviews. To be honest,
I've only heard that one sag wherehe goes yo yo yo yo, yo
yo yo yo. You must haveyou just don't know it. Probably.
Yeah, he's done some really goodtunes. Anyway, that's not what we're
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here, No, but no,I reckon you'd make a mean bag.
He'd look really good as a borg. It's an interesting choice, Michael,
it's an interesting choice. I likeit. You see it. I can
see it. No, I cansee it. But he'd be kind of
a distinguished Borg, which kind ofmakes well, it goes back, because
that's that winds me up that theborg are very he'd just being it for
one scene then like just a normaljust a just normal to a normal borg.
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And just happened to all the borgsto look like they're from different races
rather than a lot of humans orhuman like characters. Yeah, you don't
really, Well, the problem isthat the I mean, the Star Trek
budget is the main thing that getsin the way with that is the fact
that not only if I got tomake an alien, that I've got to
make an alien that looks like adifferent alien, and so kind of that's
why they left it for first contentbefore you ever saw a Kardashian Borg or
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stuff like that. But that wasreally cool. Okay. Next on the
list, for those of you whohaven't yet seen Christopher Worlk and reading the
Three Little Pigs on YouTube, whatyou doing with your life? I've seen?
Oh you have to see it.It's the best ten minutes on YouTube.
(18:06):
I am standing by this fact.It's brilliant. It's absolutely we're watching
it after dark. Horrible. Ohit's so dark, That's what it sounds
like. It's just saying, youknow, there's wolf. It's a bit
bad wolf. It's just saying,now the pig has a chin I don't
know, came to kill you.Should like show you how he's going to
kill you. It's just like thewolf he forced down, the Chimney wolf
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he burns. It's brilliant. ChristopherWalker. So who were having a meme
cardassion? What he would be onemain cardassion? You would make the best
obsidian order, right, really highlevel, not like Garrick, not really
subtle, really kind of dark efficientsort of no almost no need to pretend,
because he knows he can just go. You know, he's not that
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callous, doesn't he He's got thecallous to sort of. He's not the
spy, he's the hitman. He'sthe assassin's interrogator. Yeah, the interrogator,
the dark what they called almost likean inquisition sort of character, you
know what I mean. You couldimagine him doing well, obviously imagine him
doing horrible things. Yeah, oryeah, you know he looks like he's
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a bit more Section thirty one secuallythought you want I could see him.
I could definite, don't think so, sort of Sloanesque character with a bit
more malice. Yeah, yeah,I could see that, or again even
a head a boss of the sectionthey want. Yeah, but no,
I don't think Tellsia. I know, I don't think he would be Romulans.
He's got a bit too much goingon, if you know what I
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mean, to be kind of reservedand cool about the arrogance. Yeah,
arrogance isn't his thing. That's thething. Like whereas the Romulans are always
generally arrogant, whereas the Cardassians canbe kind of like, yeah, they
can go matter malicious rather than justit's just that they've got this dark side.
Yeah, because you've got your veryrigid, normal Cardassians, like who's
the guy becomes the savior of Cardassireand oh dear, Yeah, he's very
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kind of stern and rigid. Andthen the cats very kind of quite playful
at times, you know what Imean, but with more sick sense of
pleasure in in other people's pain.Yeah, well, he just wants to
fuck here. It doesn't hear theend of the day. Now I can
see I can see Christopher walk Anddoing any of those again, you know,
in the sort of the same waythat I could see Terren Stamp doing
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a kind of more a more Bruceor Captain. I could see him almost
doing a captain and that sort oftake it too far. It would just
be too much like I think againsttype, like for Christopher Walkin would be
brilliant to see. Can you playa cling on? He's a bit too
stylish for a cling on. He'sa bit too skinny for a cling on
as well. No, No,you can. You can make him.
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You can make him look bigger.H you make him look he's quite a
tall chap. He looks pretty bigin th cling ons are subtle enough to
go with his anerisms or that speech. Yeah, as you say, speech
patterns a bit too. Today isa good day to die. You know,
it doesn't quite work, does itfor my family? An Now I'm
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imagining him in the makeup doing it. It's just and now I'm imagining that
fat Boy Slim video with him inthe makeup dancing like that. Yeah,
that's really weird and you've taken itto another one. Now, okay,
right, next one, This oneis one of mine, and you don't
really know who he is. He'scalled Klaus Kinskey for those of you out
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there who don't know, and I'msure there are a few who don't.
He's a German actor, is acomplete nutcase. He worked with director well
one director primarily called He's unfortunately dead. So this is completely out of the
realms of reality. But then therest of the list is as well,
so who cares but the but hewas, Yeah, he was an absolute
nutcase and just had this real sortof ferocious sort of anger about him.
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And like the Hurtzog and Kinsky likethreatened to kill each other and Kinsky wants
threatened to walk off his set.Well, I was going to get a
boat and travel off his set inthe middle of the Amazon, and Hurtzog
grabbed the gun and said, ifyou get on that boat before you hit
the river bend, there's going tobe seven bullets in the back of your
head and one bullet in mine,and like that kind of real intense relationship
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and it's really sort of mad,and I can just see him as a
cling on. I'm not even goingto try with any of the other ones.
I can just see him as anabsolute nut case of a cling one.
I'll have to show you a gear. He's just he's just such a
dark energy. I'll show you thatas well. Yeah, but he's Yeah,
he's really good. That's a quickone, really, because it's a
bit you don't have a clue heis, So there's no room for banter.
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Okay, now we're on two actresses, Angeline. Oh no, actually,
let's not go there. Yeah,Morgan Freeman, we've got one.
See this one would be ultimate cheese, but then you could take it to
even bigger lengths of cheese. Ithink I was thinking Marquis, which is
quite you know, he's wholesome,he's good, he's lovable. But he'd
narrate the entire episode. So youjust feel warm. But you're doing that,
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you know you're in the Marquis,you're doing the right thing. No
more narration, No more narration,Morgan, leave the narration alone. Oh,
it would be lovely. Step awayfrom the narration. Morgan. Yeah,
no, I could see him doingthat. Could never be a FERENGI
could never know. No, couldnever be Jemper obviously be a founder,
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could be a Cube. But I'monly thinking that because of Bruce Almighty could
be a founder, could be Icould imagine him if he acted like a
nasty guy, being quite a goodfounder, because he's got that kind of
nice and then you know what Imean, associate something nice but then he's
brutal. Yeah, But then atthe same time, I don't think his
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niceness could be Cardassian Obsidian Order orteam, you know, I mean,
I don't think he could then fitinto that unless mm hmm. I've never
seen him act like that. Yeah. See, the founders think they're good.
That's the thing they're not. Theydon't sit there think arrogance. Morgan
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arrogance that stops them. Thing we'vesaid on movies you should see a couple
of occasions is that Morgan Freeman doesn'tdo bad guys very well. And we've
seen seen him Lucky Number seven.He's he's supposed to be a bit of
a nasty bastard, really, andI think it's sort of a misstep in
the direction in that film. Butthey're sort of like him and Ben Kingsley
are these gangsters and you're just sittinglook at it's like you're Morgan Freeman.
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You're not a gangster, and you'reand you're yeah, and you're gandy off.
So but then again, I've seensexy beasts, so I don't need
to question. And he's in thatis yeah, attribute to what a good
actually is. And he also playshimself on The Sopranos in one episode and
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brilliant absolutely insists to everyone calls himsir in the episode things like that,
and he no, God, no, I don't know. I'd sort of
walk around and then if someone likesaid it to me every now and then
I'd be, oh, that's niceif I was, if I was knighted,
but if if I wouldn't go aroundat Actually it's sir, Michael Dawson.
I know you can't acquire these things, but I wouldn't like, I
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wouldn't mind something like Baron Baron.It's something ridiculous. Baron's story. You
can put Sarah in front of yourname. It's quite reserved, you know,
quite sensible. You know, youjust happened to be honored. Baron's
story. It's pretty good account onCount Viscount Viscount, like the Chocolate Viceroy.
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Well, yeah, but then I'dhave to kind of rule somebody over.
I could be a viscount and bekind of a puppet viscount. I
don't want to be a viceroy becausethen I'd have to kind of govern people
quite harshly. I think. Yeah, look, okay, so now onto
the actresses. Now onto the actresses. Okay, So given away slightly by
the first syllable I said, beforeI realize we still had Morgan Freeman Angelina
(26:11):
Jolie years and now are you sayingthat because she's a bit to polish,
because that was your suggestion, wasn'tit. What she's a bit to Polish?
Okay, to paul to Paula topolish. She's not a bit too
polish. Yeah, some way ofsaying she's fit. She's a bit to
polish. She's a bit to polish, isn't she. Yeah, gosh,
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we should start that around Tristan.Yeah. He picks things up quick,
he picks things up thing. Yeah, So Tristan, if you're listening to
Polish now it's she's a bit topolish. Yeah, yeah, No,
Angelina Jolie, I was thinking asa Romulu. Really yeah, yes,
she's a bit to polish. No, she can't act, but she can
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do. Yes, I can docold and blank. Yeah, she can
do cold and blank. She isalso a bit meaner. And you could
imagine her with a nice v thingand not with it in a forehead the
ving a hair. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to make a green
or anything too green, but unfortunatelythat is a prerequisite of being a romula.
You can be orange. Yeah,it could be an orange one Dinah
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Murray and Dena Meyer, Dena Meyerin Nemesis. I don't know. There's
a few orange ones. There's acouple of orange ones banging around as well.
But I think she don't. Youthink she'd make a good at least
looks wise, I mean acting wiseas well. She doesn't really need to
act much. She can be coldand blank and yeah destrition list, which
is why she's pretty good. Andshe's not good enough or logical. I
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couldn't imagine her kind of spouting logicto me. No, I couldn't see
it as a vulcan. And Ithink that's why romulin kind of fits the
bill. Just a bit meaner.It's just a bit meaner than a vulcan.
Lips on a romulin as well,it's always a good thing. Yeah,
okay, it's got lips. Shedoes have lips. You can't really
deny that she's got lips. Um, okay, all right, so Raduloli
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gets romulan treatment. Naomi Watts whois? Naomi Watts is the blonde English
slash Australian girl who was in twentyone Grahams. You know who I mean?
You see any different film now,I'm struggling to name one that she's
(28:27):
been in. Hang on, I'lljust grab the case. You mutter something.
Yeah, anyway, Um, Angelina'sJolie's lips are lovely and there's no
decent picture of her on the case, but that's the one that she's in.
So yeah, she's she's really good. She's yeah, she in.
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I heart huckerb is yes, probablyyeah. Very talented actor, Yeah she
she is. She's got a nicecharm to her as well. It's kind
of like the like the way youlike Tom Hanks. It's kind of a
charm and that shows. Believe me, I don't like Naomi. What's in
the way I like Tom Hanks?No, but you know what I mean.
You can see a charm to heract Yeah, Okay, I'm not
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saying that she's the same sort ofactor as Tom Hanks. I've seen her
do much more kind of out therestuff than Tom Hanks. But yeah,
okay, and she's fit and TomHanks isn't. That's true. This is
sort of where I was going withit. She'd make an interesting again,
going back to the whole captains ofthe Enterprise thing, I'd love to see
because the thing is like with there'sno rule that says that the captain of
(29:38):
a ship in Star Trek, ifshe be female, has to be old
and has to be Kirk wasn't old? How old wasn't old? You know
they were probably I mean Kirk inthe sixties was probably about the same age
as Naomi what's his now? Sothere's no sort of there's no reason why
that has to be that way,And so I sort of say, like,
(30:00):
because we'll get onto that later onbecause we've got a couple more on
this list too, would sort offit that bill, but there's yeah,
I think she'd be an interesting choicefor sort of a starfleet captain because she's
young, kind of like Shelby andbest of both worlds, you know,
that annoying blonde one who beats Rykerat poker and he wants to die all
the way through both episodes, butthen she doesn't, and you think she's
(30:21):
going to come back and she doesn't, thank God. But yeah, she's
kind of like that, but likeless annoying. And do you think she
could command the gravitas to command people? You know what I mean? I
think she could. I think ifyou're certainly are given what I've never think,
I don't think. No, Idon't. Well, you need to
watch that film, because she's I'veseen her acting things. I've never seen
her acting in anything that's that kindof the thing. Is like, she's
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not I've never seen her player commandingpart. But I don't think she'll ever
she's ever been given one. Yeah, to be fair, given how good
she is in that film twenty oneGrams and given how good she is and
other stuff that I've seen, Iimagined that she could do that. Per
se. I can't believe we justsaid that. How would you direct her
in it? Then? Would youmake her a very aggressive sort of female
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captain? Would you make her avery authoritarian? Quite? Trip depends on
what the character, depends on whatthe character is. I mean, I
think what would how would the captainhas to have some element of I mean
all of the captains and star Trekhave had elements of aggression. They've got
to have all of those at someyou know, at some stages, in
different levels. I wouldn't have heras the typical because there's always that knee
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jerk reaction to make them overly maternal. And again it's all no, because
well, yeah, Janeway's like she'smaternal and she's kind of like looking after
them all and horrible. I've neverthought she was maternal. Well, she's
sort of softly spoken and like,oh, I've ever kind of you know,
(31:51):
well, because if that's because ifshe spoke up, you'd think she
was barking. That's true, that'strue. Maybe that's a bit. I
mean, i've met your mum.She'sn't. No, I don't mean my
idea of maternal. They try tothat element far more than any of the
other met my mom. That's moreassociatable. But yeah, it's like,
god, that's quite I couldn't.I don't ever see her as very maternal.
(32:15):
I don't see No, I don'tsee her is my ideal of maternal.
Yeah, more of a matrony kindof thing. But I think that
they tried to push you in amaternal kind of way, especially with what's
his name, useless guy Garrett Wang, the other guy, not Garrett Wang,
because he's the actor, the characterKim, Harry Kim, you know,
trying to push him in. Youknow that their relationship was very sort
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of maternal in that kind of respect, whereas it doesn't have to be that
kind of parent figure, and itdoesn't have to be and it doesn't necessarily
to be like just going out toexplore kind of like that sort of thing
really kind of gun. Again,it depends on what the character is,
but I don't you know, there'sthat instant knee jerk reaction with making strong
female in even making even making theminto internal characters or making them into somehow
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overly sexual characters, which is sortof you know, any militaristic sort of
characters, like what was her namefirst security. Yeah, but even tashi
Ya was over sexed compared to them, only the male characters in that sort
in that sort of area. Andit's again, it just sort of harks
back to either a woman a femalewriter trying to push it in the other
(33:25):
direction too. Far or a malewriter not really knowing what the hell to
do with a woman in authority,and so oh well, let's make it,
let's make her of it sexy,whereas actually you can just actually maybe
try writing a real woman for achange, and that would maybe help your
show a little bit. But hey, nah, just bring back those little
skirts. Yeah that the men wereas well. That wasn't redd okay.
(33:47):
So next on the list is amore is now this is from the actual
you said it actually without even readingthe thread on the forum. There is
there is one on the forum aboutrecasting Voyager, and somebody put in straightaway
Helen Mirren perfect perfect, and I'dnever even thought of it until I read
it, and then I just suddenlyjust of course saying that she's also another
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one that could play anyone. Thatis true, she could. I could
see us playing a good Forerengie.I've seen her play very weak, sort
of almost broken and slightly bitter characters, and I could see him playing cling
On as well, I mean femalecling On. She's not big that would
need to do it. She's quitebig in certain areas, but not big
in height wise, so that needto be doctored a bit. But you
(34:31):
could cheat that, what you couldcheat that exactly, exactly, and she
could make a pretty you know,they made Jonathan Frakes look handsome, so
I mean, I'm sure they cancheat that. I don't know they so
this day was that a little admitJonathan two takes freaks two takes. So
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yeah, I think I think HelenMirren will be an absolute cracking one for
that. But given the fact thatshe's won Best Actress at the Emmy's the
other day, and she won BestActress the Oscars earlier this year, might
be out of the price bracket.She might also be slightly out of the
caliber. I mean, even nextto Patrick Stewart and Avery Brooks, she
(35:15):
might still be a little bit outof the caliber, a little bit out
of the price range. But she'sfantastic. Have you ever watched Prime Suspect?
Yeah, yeah, Bits and Bob'sI love it. I think she's
amazing. I was watching her inElizabeth, the TV one. It's really
good in that, the TV versionof Elizabeth. I haven't seen the Elizabeth
(35:36):
first story. Yeah, I knowshe's played both Elizabeth's. Yeah, but
yeah, no, the it's reallyshe's really good. I mean, not
taken away from how does she doit in Lizzie One? You're quite fiery.
Yeah, she's very more Judi Denchrather than in No Shakespeare Alo or
Cape Elizabeth. No, No,not Cape Blanchet either. She's not as
(35:58):
removed as Cape Blanchet. She's muchmore. You see the Queen as a
person. I see the reasons whyshe, you know, wanted Lancaster gone
then wanted him back again. Andis it Lancaster or is it Leicester or
is it I don't know, Leicester, I can't remember whatever his name is.
Um, yeah, Robert m Yeah, Walter Raleigh's in it somewhere.
(36:22):
Yeah, someone pissed on the floorsis Walsingham who was very dark and Bill
Shakespeare apparently of our doubt that everhappened. Um, but yeah, no,
it's yeah, she's really you know, you see why she reacts to
certain things. You see why atcertain times she's the kind of playful lover
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sort of character, and why atother times she's the screaming harpy character.
You know what I mean, shecan she just plays it really, really
well. Next on the list,Helen marrin so very good, very good
actor, maybe too good but ohmy god, if she'd played Jane Way
anyway, Holly Hunter Yesh is oneof yours again, Yes, and I
(37:07):
was thinking, again, I don'tsome people have a go at acting.
I think I think she's all right, you know, I mean, I
don't have an issue with her,but she'd make a really good vater.
Yeah, really interesting water, Ireckon. Definitely. She's certainly got the
voice. She's got the voice tosort of a distinctive voice, which kind
of I think all the Waters sortof have very distinctive voice. Again,
(37:30):
the southern tones can kind of lullyou a bit, and all the Vaters
have been able to kind of,you know, whisper nice were you know,
they've all got quite soft, croakyvoice, so it kind of growls
purse at you. She's got avery kind of she could you know,
a very political voice, let's say. Yeah, No, I could definitely
(37:52):
see it. And given the otherfemale Vaters that they've had in this series,
it makes sense. I've not seenany other female Waters. I mean
in way Union, Oh there's therewas a couple of the female Orders who
turned up, and she sort offits the bill, doesn't. Yeah,
definitely interesting. It makes me feelless less impressive, and you could keep
killing her off and then bringing herback and stuff like that. You know
(38:12):
that'd be really good, and it'sbeen perfectly honest. I haven't seen Harleygan
too in very many films. OnlyRaising Arizona springs to mind. And what
was the other one? A lifelessordinary? Oh yeah, and a lifeless
that's the one I'm thinking of specificallyfor this when she's an angel with del
Roy Lindo. But she's a veryadministrative angel. Again, I can't even
(38:34):
I saw that film once in thecinemas Bard and stuff, and you could
imagine her kind of coming in aswith the hands crossed in front of that
wasn't the end of that film justcompletely insane and didn't make much sense.
I can't remember either, but I'msure it just it just went nuts at
the end. In fact, Ithink I'm getting confused, and I think
she's nothing like what I just said. Anyway, Yeah I could have.
(38:55):
I think she's not anything like whatyou just said. I think she's kind
of she's just a weird angel withdel Roylendo is really weird. It might
even be del quite emotional at onepoint. I think I can't remember anything
about that film anyway at all?What would you? Could you see her
because she's not one that's far offa star Trek Captain Holly Hunter. Yeah,
I could. I could see heras a pretty short it's short again,
(39:20):
can be faked true. We're notgoing right. Height's not going to
come into it unless it's ridiculous,unless we'd like talking Gary Coleman or Tom
Cruise, Yeah, which we're not, thankfully obviously. I want to think
when you say Gary colemanly you meanGary cole who's a completely different person anyway.
Carrie Anne Moss, which is thetrinity from the Matrix, and she'd
(39:45):
take a bitch from Memento. Yeah, she'd be quite good. She'd be
good in both Starfleet as a asa human. She'd also be good as
a vulcan. I think she getsall right carry on. Moss as an
actor kind of gets slated a lotfor being shit. But to be perfectly
honest, most people are judging heron the Matrix trilogy, which barely anyone
(40:08):
apart from Hugo Weavings, came outof that alive. So I mean it's
it's a sort of a tough oneto judge her. On that. But
I've seen her in another film calledSnowcake, where she's very very good,
and Memento obviously, where she's verygood. I haven't seen her anything else,
but I know that those Old RedPlanet as well. But she's certainly
not bad in that either. No, I think she's actually she is very
(40:30):
good. And I think although Iwouldn't peg her as a captain and I
don't want to just make a captain, she could make a captain. I
could imagine her commanding men. Icould see Naomi, I could imagine doing
it easier. I can see them. But personally she's not. I'm not
saying she couldn't do it. Shejust saying it's not the one that jumps
to mind. She could make areally good battle captain. Like this isn't
(40:52):
someone going off into space to yeah, to to you know, discover.
Well, this is sort of whatI was king of Terrence Terrence Stamp as
well, yeah again, sort ofyeah, yeah, although Terrence Stamp could
be kind of doing it as akind of oh, I'm going off into
spaces to explore and I'm going tokill a lot of things. You know,
you could see him with the handsort of thing. Whereas he cut
(41:15):
Yeah, you're cutting her carry onMuss's hair back a bit and made a
bit more militaristic and everything. Yeah, she's got the angular face as well.
She's got very straight lines down.Yeah sort of, Yeah, definitely,
And I mean that's the thing withher. I don't I don't find
her attractive as Trinity at all,but in Snowcake and in Memento, I
think she's much more sultry with herhair down and long and everything. So
(41:35):
yeah, just get rid of thatand put it back to sort of not
not Trinity esque style, but likecertainly more efficient and military. Yeah,
not not to Tashia or either,but that kind of don't know. I
still think she could make it withwith the long hair kind of wow,
because it would have to be pulledup, it would have to be always
be looking quite you know, quiteregimented. And then when she could have
(41:59):
a scene, you know, sceneswho see the lovely scenes that they're going
to put in because she's a girlcool of course it well actually know,
to be fair, they normally haveat least one or two lovely scenes for
most of the men, and allof them pretty much. Yeah, Cisco
got married, so I mean,yeah, there's definitely that's the thing though
when they did it with me,when they put in what it goes back
(42:22):
to what I was saying again aboutthem putting in a young attractive woman in
the part of or you know,moderately young woman into the captain. It
kind of makes you instantly think,oh god, that if they put in
naughty scenes or if she has arelationship with someone else, just it just
instantly makes them feel like thing becauselike they didn't right twist it, do
a real kind of honest lesbian thing, like not not on a kind of
(42:45):
a lesbian thing at all, ourplayboy, a real lesbian sort of thing
where she's like, you know againthat knows he's que cut that even if
you wanted to do it real,and even if you wanted to actually do
it like honestly, you'd still seelesbian in Star Trek Commanding and Yip.
Okay, first of all, howmany PC boxes do you want to take?
And second of all, how manycliches do you want to take?
(43:07):
At the same time, Even ifyou were doing it honestly, you'd still
have those. You'd have so manypeople giving you shit about it. Lesbian
cling on lesbians in space, comeon, Not a chance. I wasn't
thinking b movie. I was thinkingjust making it a bit more real.
Not a chance, even if youtry, if it was real, even
(43:28):
if you try to make it morereal. Not a chance anyway. So
we have been make it so forthe week and we've come to the end
of our list. That was it. That was it. The full list.
We went through all of them.Oh we had more than I thought
we had more than that as well, but no we didn't. So yeah,
if you liked this show, andI hope you did, then you
can listen to other shows on thenetwork and they're all great. This week
(43:52):
on Definitive Word, we're talking aboutmatch on Us and masculinity, and on
movies you should see we are talkingabout the wonderful film glad Iata and you
can listen to us try to talkabout that for more than five minutes.
Also, if Richard's done it,then there's a or do you think that's
just bollocks? And weekend watches,I don't know if there is going to
(44:14):
be one this week, but theremight be or Man of the House.
You can listen to those all onsimply here, and you can check out
stuff on the website, which issimply syndicated dot com. I'll go there.
Oh and albums you should hit theone. Yeah, that album one
albums you should hear. Probably don'tmention that one since they got mentioned in
the Guardian and they've topped the fuckingmusic charts. Bastard. You only been
(44:35):
around six episodes. You're already kickingour ass. You know, quality not
quantity. Yeah, and as Isay, no, i've been deserted.
It's been I'm you wouldn't want toshow just with me. I've been trying
a black Craig to do one.I'll happily do one. You could do
a good one. I'll happily doone. Just what can I do it?
I need to get calling up fromMilton Keynes and obviously we're basing leads
(44:58):
and things are a bit tight fortime basically with people, so sorry about
that. But there will be onesoon in the pipeline. We've got things
like Charles Mingus. No, youand I can do one at some point.
Yeah, man, No, Idon't know an EEno very well.
You could do a good eno,I reckon. Yeah, anyway, I
(45:19):
mean that's the thing I've got toreserve radiohead for Colin. There's no chance
that we can do a radiohead withoutColin. God damn it. We could
do a radiohead if we go himup. Okay, all right, anyway,
so yeah, listen to the othershows and check us out and do
that lovely stuff that you do,and we will see you next week.
(45:39):
And I think it will you bejoining me again week. You will excellent.
Okay, goodbye bye,
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