49. What Happens Next

I think we'll try to predict what might happen next in Star Trek, based on what we knew in 2009.

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Hello and welcome to Make It So, Episode number forty nine. Hello,
and that's Richard, and I'm Mike. Hello Mike, Hello Richard. That's

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Mike and I'm rich How after fortynine goes we managed to fuck that up?
I don't know, or more appropriately, how I managed to fuck it
up? I don't know either.Anyway, we are the sci fi super
fan, yeah, somehow somewhere onsky we were. Anyway, So this
week we're taking our suggestion from misterRobert Malts again malt as in halt,

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malt as in halt, not asin malt no with an a with an
ass. Robert malt after his kindprevious suggestion, also suggested that we discuss
what happens after after the diminutive thediminutive word. You don't know what was

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happening in the dominion was? Thedominion was was not the definitive The definitive
word and the dominion was the nextto each other, and the will trust
him to introduced tw with that.Hell, they're welcome to the dominion was.
Yeah, anyway, so they are. They're on the shelf next to

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each other. I picked up Haveyou ever done that thing where you've gone
over to the shelf for a DVD, picked one up and you don't realize
until you're putting the disk in thatyou've picked up the wrong box. No,
you've never done the No, youso have. No, I'm not
just saying you haven't. So Ilook bad and crazy. Now, No,
I've never done that. Never neverdone that. I don't believe you.

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But we'll move on. No,because carefully selecting DVDs to watch it's
something I'm good at. Oh,I carefully select the DVD. It's not
selecting the DVD that's a problem.It's picking that one up off the shelf.
If we've been to a neurologist,maybe no, you should Okay,
So what happens after the minium wasSo this is workin to mister Malt's previous

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suggestion, which was the chess gameof the other quadrant. If I'm not
mistaken, it's close to. It'sclose to. It's another hypothetical, kind
of ish like the hyperthetic one goodspeculation, speculative. It's yeah, it
means we have to use our imaginationsanyway, So how does what do we
end with? We end up withthe wormhole closed. Well, let's think

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about Yeah, let's think about twothings, how we end and what we
know, what we actually know aboutthe war. So first of all,
yeah, the wormhole is open upagain. The Founders have surrendered, right,
and the main founder has gone backto the planet of the Founders and
cured them. Okay, well taken. They've surrendered and that's it, and

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they're just going to stay there aswell, that's sort of the thing.
They're just we've had enough of conquestof the galaxy. Now we're going to
stay at home. Yeah, andlearn about being nice from Odo like Odo
did. So we'll assume they dothat, yes, from that singular act
of kindness. Well, we don'tnecessarily have to assume that they do that.
Now, let's think about that's howwe actually end DS nine. Now,

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let's think about what we know ofafter DS nine. So from Voyager,
we know that at least two orthree years into the future after Deep
Space nine, all out war hasnot broken out. Earth is still there.
They arrive at over at the veryend, Yeah, they do.
You know, Reg Barcley is doingcrazy stuff, and so's Deanna Troy.
So we know the Federation is stillintact. We know that the Dominion haven't

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come back and started another war,or do we No, they haven't,
they haven't. No, Okay,all right, let's assume that they haven't
for the moment. We also knowfrom Nemesis, which is the last stage
in the timeline, the current timelinefor Star Trek from account at far point
onwards, that they haven't come back, and that the situation within the Arpul

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quadrant is pretty much as it wasbefore. Okay, so what I think
would happen, you'd see Cardassia wason its ass. Now we don't know
what happened to Kardassia. I seea sort of big relief sort of effort
taking place on behalf of the Federation. The Romulins seem to have gone back

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home again, as we do seein Nememesis. Yea, and things like
them are pretty much as they havealways been. I do feel that in
Nemesis they sort of neglected any potentials, So I don't know, we could
have been on much better grounds withthe Romulins. They also mentioned the Dominion
wars in Nemesis as well, andwhat did they say, Well, they

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say that Shinson has led many campaignsin the Dominion Wars and made a name
for himself in battle right as Rychmentions that at one point, well,
they sort of make that, Idon't know, the mythical war within Star
Trek for anything that comes after it. It's sort of like the Clone Wars

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in Star Wars. Yeah, alittle bit sort of like you kind of
feeling with the Dominion War. WhatI always liked about the Dominion War was
the fact that there's this sense thatyou don't know what Piccard and his lot
are doing while this is going on, and they're probably having a whole series
of crazy adventures. We're involving theDominion and war and battles and skirmishes of

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other ships and stopping only briefly forthe holiday to go wrong. Absolutely,
but you know, you can imaginethere's some quite exciting years going on there.
You know, for some reason,we're going to go and pest through
the suits the Sonar at one point, and and that's probably about all they
take the break for actually. Butyeah, so the Enterprise for the two

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years that the Dominion Wars goes onfor the Enterprise are probably going off and
doing their own thing in the DominionWar, I would imagine. So,
so it's a bit like World Wartwo for terms of I always think the
Dominion War is a bit like WorldWar two anyway. But it's a bit
like World War Two in terms ofthe sheer amount of scope and the things
going on the parties and the nationsand races that are involved in the war.

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Means that there's a lot of thingsgoing on that you never saw in
DS nine. There weren't had tobe. They weren't. They weren't pertinent
to what was going on in theeach place nine. But there were a
lot of stuff. You know,there was a lot of things that must
have been going on behind the scenesand in different places, big battles,
and you heard about all such andsuch as lost at this and blah blah
blah blah blah. It just happenedthat the Defiant was at every key of

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for some reason. It had tobe. It had to be for the
purpose of Deep Space nine. It'sabsolutely true. However, there will have
been a lot of stuff going onin the background. Yeah, like I
said, there had to be.It was a massive thing. In Nemesis,
they imply that Shin's On and theRiemans as such were the front line
for the romulent attacks and they weresort of used as cannon fodder, which

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we never hear and see anything ofinep Space nine. It's just nice and
convenient to write it in for Nemesis. Yeah, by the skin of their
bloody teeth with that one. Yeah, but then again, there were a
whole shitload of Romulan warbirds that wereflying in those big battles, and you
don't know who was, of course, but We's appeared, and you know,

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it's very thin argument. I thinkit's just because there's something that you
can't say wasn't them, means wecan get away with it being them.
Yeah, you know, it's hard. It's just like it's just like Hannah
Solo talking about the millennium falcon makingthe kestle running under twelve past sex and

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everyone then goes, well, itreally means that he doesn't know quite what
he was talking about and he wasboasting about it, and you go,
no, really, really, GeorgeLucas didn't know where wrong? Yeah?
Yeah, and you just because Ican't say, well, no, that
I can prove that he wasn't justboasting. Then you get away with that.
I did the marathon in less thansix miles. Yeah, that's basically

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the statement. It is. Okay, so so so the Romulans are back
home, the Romulins are back home. We know this. We're assuming Cardassia
is fucked. Yeah, and itis. Cardass is a point for speculation,
okay, because because a couple ofpoints for speculation, we've got Cardassia.
We don't know what happens with theKlingons, we don't know what happens

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really with the internal workings of theFederation. We've got a load of stuff
to do with Section thirty one,which is old and of course it is,
you know, so there's there's alittle bit of a political thing though,
and we don't know what happened tothe millions. The billions of gem
had our soldiers, ships, stations, vater who were all set on conquesting

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the galaxy. But then again,if the founders turn around and say,
don't do it, come home,I'm going to assume within the Gamma quadrant
there would have been massive sort ofgenocide against the gemhooda. Why you know,
they live on the Kettrasso White.They need the kettriss a white and
the Founders give them the Cattrasser white. And if the founders can't be asked

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anymore, then there's not going tobe anymore. And they're only bread for
fighting, so there's no fighting.We don't need any more Gemhood and they
can't kill the Founders, so theyjust wither away and die within a matter
of a month or two months.It would be like that. They could
be a lot of way. Jemhad our ships just floating around, and
now maybe the Cardassians would take thisas an opportunity to sort of half rebuild

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a fleet if you like, stealalone stuff. Yeah, now there's an
also an amazing option for this hadbeen more of a sort of World War
One situation with Germany post World WarOne. Now you see where I'm going
with us Imaginar two. No,I mean post World War One Germany post

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World War One, absolutely destroyed,ruined, beat into the ground. New
charismatic leader arrives at Cardassia, hystericalswoop of nationalism, and we bring back
with a new gem Had our fleetand the Cardassians come back, that could
happen. That could happen. Yeah, it's happened before I don't think it

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would though, because you just ruineda really good idea. It wasn't actually
really good. Just a bit ofhistory. I'll go into the because okay,
because the dominion conflict with the Cardassianswas not the first conflict with the
cardass sims have been a couple,if not several sort of Cardassian incidents.

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We have the weird war with theCardassians that we only hear about when Chief
our Brand is having an off day, that one episode of Next Gen,
and so I think they are goingto be watched more more closely. Maybe
there would just be permanent Federation presencewithin the Cardassian Empire anyway, maybe it
would eventually lead to Cardassia joining theFederation. Maybe that's the alternative. Basically,

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the way you've got to look atit is whether or not this is
post World War one or post WorldWar two Germany. If it's post World
War two Germany, then Cardassia isgoing to join the ranks of the Federation.
It's going to be an integral partof the Federation. In fact.
Yeah, if we're going along withour previous analogy that the Federation is in
fact more like Europe than the UnitedStates, because it's a collection of independent

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states rather than just in terms ofthe logistics, not necessarily the ideal systems.
Yeah, so if we're going alongwith that, then maybe Cardassia joins
the federation and becomes a more integralpart of it. Doesn't have an army,
isn't allowed to have an army,etc. Etc. And it's sort

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of kept that nationalistic streak is keptin check. Or it could be the
post World War One analogy and they'reactually building up for something far worse.
It could be that, you see, the Carnassians do strike me as the
kind of people who would just keepon trying. Yeah, they really don't
like Bejor. They really don't likeBejor. I think they're going to get

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over stuff. I think they wouldget over stuff. It seems to make
sense that they would just eventually sortof falling with everybody else because they aren't.
I don't know. They always struckme as quite well separated from everyone.
They're a long way out, andI don't know, it just seems
very easy for them to maintain theiridentity and all of that. That whole

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sort of region of space as wellBeijor and things like that. You see
how easily the Federation integrates onto DSnine. Yeah, and so I think
that would happen over and over againin various different places. Maybe the Federation
would take over running part of theCardassian Empire, and then the Klingons might

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take over other bits of it.See that's a Germany after World War two
situation. Yeah. Then we'd havea big wall and the Klingon side would
be really miserable and people would tryand escape over and eventually we'd knock the
wall down. Yeah, and peoplewould forget it was ever there, and
the empire would collapse exactly, andthen they start killing Federation spies and the

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Federation headquarters of Polonium or something likethat. Yeah. I could see the
Klingons joining the Federation as well,though at some point, mind you,
when you think about it hard,and if you can sort of see everybody
joining the Federation, then it's justgoing to be our federation quadrant. Is
well, that's where it gets abit silly. I mean, ideally you
wouldn't want it to end up likethat, because while that's a nice,

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happy living situation for all the citizensof the Federation, it's really boring story
wise. It would be more likelogistically as well, you have It's we've
said before, the Federation and theFederation and the as a collective, and
the Klingon Empire, the Romulan Empireand the Kardashian Empires are all roughly the
same size. So you'd have,like at the end of d S nine,

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you'd have an alliance of all fourmajor players. Rather than this federation,
it would be you know, theFederation would still remain its own identity,
and then they've become allied with eachother. Yeah. You see,
this is you know how people alwaystalk about the fact that all the fighting
on Earth that's taking place today willseem rather stupid when we you know,

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if we get that final bit ofproof that we're not alone in the universe
and that sort of thing, andwe'll move our attitudes from believing that we
are people from a country from aplace to being people of Earth and being
human beings. Commonly, if thefirst encounter with an alien being on this
planet will mean the end of racism, Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm

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talking about. So imagine you takethat one step further, because then you
move into a threat from another partof the galaxy, unifying all the people
in another part of the galaxy.So we could have this threat come from
the Gamma quadrant, and that causesall the in fighting within the Alpha Quadrant
to pretty much cease, and eventuallyeverybody becomes friends and as the Alpha quadrant.

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That's what happened. That's what happenedat the end of the day's night.
Well, yeah, less apart fromcut us yet. So this is
what I'm saying, is that nowthey have this outside threat because space just
got smaller again. Yeah, ineffect, and so you just take that
same theory and you just move itup to the next level. And so
instead of looking at the federation withinthe Alpha quadrant, you're looking at you'd

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eventually be looking at the Alpha Quadrantwithin the galaxy. Star Trek would have
to get bigger. That's how that'swhat the new series should be. There.
You go, well, it wouldhave to get bigger. I mean,
there's an entire you'd have to moveit up. The problem moving around
the galaxy is now is the sameas what was currently considered moving around the

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Alpha quadrant. The problem with thatis the logistics of warp speed and moving
vast distances and everything else. We'reused to this. It takes seventy or
eighty years to get to where Voyagerwas at maximum warp. We're used to
this. That wormhole saves you anawful lot of time taking that. You

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know, it's like the bypass,you know, it's it's it's a lot
quicker getting through that wormhole, andit is traveling to the gamma quadrant.
So we're kind of used to thesemeasures of distance. I think they could
do that though, you just setit, say ten years after the end
of Nemesis and jump in warp technologyor something like that. The problem with
the well, you could do that. The other problem is the quadrants.

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Right now, we're looking at thequadrants as four quadrants, and let's say
it's cube like and the cube isdivided into four pieces. Yeah, okay,
alpha quadrant has to be in onecorner. It corners on three sides
with the beat quadrant, the gammaquadrant, and the delta quadrant. Yeah

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right, Okay, there's another loadaround it on the other side. So
there's a whole load of other peoplewho can come from god knows where.
Ah. But no, But becausethe galaxy isn't a cube, it's a
disc, it's a flat disc.No, but it's you can make a
cube out of anything. That's whatI mean. So that the area of

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space that the quadrants are measuring couldbe in fact cubicle they never actually specify.
Possibly, maybe it doesn't have tobe, but it could be.
I don't know. It could bebecause the universe it's like a circle.
Yeah, and the alph quadrant isa quarter of that circle. But space
has no debt for perceptions. Youcan measure it in the galaxy. Wanted

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to, but the galaxy does.Yeah, but we're not looking at the
galaxy. Yeah, well, well, well, smaller than the galaxy.
All right, you're smaller than theall right, I'm with you. The
universe still smaller than the galaxy.We're not talking about the Milky Way.
The alp quadrant was like a quarterof the Milky Way. Now, I've
I've always thought the Alpha quadrant waslike a quarter, just even of those

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four quadrants. Smaller than that,much smaller than the Milky Way. I
don't know, I don't know.I'm confused. Now. I'm sure there's
a picture on a website somebody cansend us or something like that. Probably.
I mean, the thing is thatthere's stupid amounts of distance. Anyway,
with what I've always thought of whatwas covered within those four quadrants as
being really quite small when you compareit to the rest of it, that

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the rest of the galaxy, letalan the rest of the universe. So
there's an in forgiven the amount ofaliens that are already in the Star Trek
Universe as present, the actual overallentirety of the Star Trek Universe is incredibly
big. You could go to somany different directions with it. Good.

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We're sort of onto a new seriesnow, that one that always comes up.
But let's maybe we should drag itback from wherever we ended up on
this one. So we're looking atso that the Gemadar of Dead right,
them are gone? They're gone?Okay? Would we be going through into
the Gamma quadrant, sorry, throughthe wormhole? Would we be doing that

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anymore? Would in fact, wouldthe founders give it up? Would they
not give up? Right? Wouldthey? Okay? It's one thing to
withdraw your tchoots from the Alpha quadrantand stop your conquest of the Alpha Quadrant.
It's quite another, and never actuallyspecified at the end of Days nine
to then give up. You're alreadyexisting dominion empire within the Gamma quadrant.

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That's quite a bigly interesting idea.I think I'm for the purpose of my
mind, they do right, Okay, they don't give up and go home.
No, they don't have to.They don't have to. But then
again, if we're running with thewhole idea that they've suddenly become nice,
then all of these planets which areenslaved under the dominion are suddenly free,

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and we have an entire quadrant worthof refugees. We'd have an entire quadrant
worth of chaos. They wouldn't necessarilybe refugees. But when you think about
when you suddenly just remove the governingpower of a planet, yeah, into
a lot of turmoil all of them. Now that assuming that sort of happens
just overnight, that's bloody interesting.And so you're going to have lots of

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civil war. You're going to havelots of war on planet, war between
planets. We're going to have somerises of some new empires as well,
because all of that old dominion technologyain't going anywhere exactly. So this is
ah this it would be amazing.You'd be a great ship. This is
a new series exactly. Star treGamma quadrant. Yeah that, Oh,

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this would be a mate and youcould make it especially politically sort of pointing
of today, basing a lot onthe current state of Iraq. That's what
it is. Yeah, my god, why aren't they're making this right now?
We've just come up with we've juststumbled on the best idea for a
star trek. Thank you, Robert, Thank you, Robert. See that's

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what they need. That's all weneed. Yeah, higher us paramount.
It would be sort of like thebeginning of series three of Battlestar. Yeah,
a little bit seriously seriously where they'reon the planet. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, that's sort of thing,because that was the best bit after
that battlestaff was shit. It wasit wasn't it was, it was.

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It just lost me as soon asthey got off the planet. It was.
It was boring. Apart from thatepisode where the two people were trapped
in the airlock, that was allright, right, anyway, that's not
what we're talking about. Okay,So we have a load of stuff going
on. Yeah, that's far moreinto sing that the Cardassian is just taking
it over. So let's say theCardassians are now definitely back part of the

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alliance. Let's say the Alpha Quadrantis an alliance. Now, okay,
yeah, everyone's everyone's friends. Okay, we're not all in the Federation.
They've still got there. It's likethe cling ons in the Federation are now
everyone's the same and they're all gettingalong all right. You know, you
still have to sort of keep thecling on in the romure and away from
each other in the room. Butthey're okay, and that breaks down over

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time. Yeah, ten fifteen yearsgo by, no one can really be
bothered anymore. It's just name callingnow. There's no wars, there's no
fighting now, it's just a littlebit of mockery. So okay. Yeah,
and then we've got this new situation. So all that technology, all
of these species finally liberated, empowered. Someone's going to kill the Founders,

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of course, yeah, someone's Yeah, someone's going to do so the Founders
are wiped out by people that they'vereleased from slavory. Yeah, interesting thought.
Maybe that's why they never come back. Yeah except Odo, because I
don't want to kill Odo. No, we couldn't kill Odo, So maybe
he dies with them. Maybe maybeI'd be sad, though it would be

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sad, but it's a sad moment. It is essentially the eradication of an
entire species. Yeah, and infairness, it would be a bit a
bit dark thematically as well as theentire time they were trying to maintain their
empire to stop them being enslaved orbeing wiped out by solids, and then
they lose the empire, and that'sexactly what happens. Yes, irony,

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Yeah, we go the dramatic ironyfor you there. So the alphacord and
it's fine, forget the alphacordro quadron, it's fine, But the gamma coording
it's going to become the alpha coordinate'sproblem again, but a different way.
You see, you'd have sort ofdifferent warring factions over who should be running
stuff. I suppose different planets wouldwant to run themselves and other planets would

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try and be part of an alliance. Maybe you'd see some sort of gamma
quadrant equivalent in a sort of thing. Yeah, do we know much about
the travel within the gamma quadrant betweenplanets within the dominion? How restricted that
was? Is they just sort offree travel throughout as long as everyone's behaving
themselves. No, well, therewasn't any traveling you couldn't. That was

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what started the Dominion War in thefirst place, was in peaching on their
territory. No. I mean,like, you know, if you lived
in the Dominion anyway, could yougo and see your mate on another planet?
I doubt it? Or did youhave to stay away late? Wouldn't
you do what you're told? Yeah? Yeah, so maybe they that's what
would happen. Let's give the peopleof the Dominion the benefit of the doubt

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and say that they go exploring space, but friendly, like cautiously cautiously but
friendly. Not all of them,though, I I envision a race that
enslaved the voter their for their nastyways. Yeah, and they're like sort
of like your Klingons again but different. Maybe the voter try and sees the

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opportunities to take the power back themselvesand then are just wiped out, maybe
maybe all then most of them are, and then they become sort of second
class citizens. See what have weseen throughout history of slaves being Oh we
could have we could have changelings thatsurvive and then hide, pretending to be
interesting, idea, tending to besolid. So every now and then,
like you know, but not withoutnot with their empire, their powerful empire

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behind them, and then we seea renaissance. You see when they freed
all the slaves in America. Yeah, did the slaves then go and slaughter
all the people who kept them?No? No, they didn't. So
maybe we're assuming a lot by sayingthat all these newly freed slaves from the
Gamma quadron would then automatically go andblow up the founder's own world. That
said, with it being such seeminglya straightforward thing, Yeah, I mean

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for freed slaves to then go andwipe out white men in the time that
it happened was a bit more ofa complicated thing to do than for a
whole quadrant to the galaxy destroy oneplanet. And it's not like you're talking
about your house, You're talking abouta planet itself. Yeah, so you've
got your planet, it's over there, it's okay. And then those nasty

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guys who are fucking if you are, so you can just go and blow
that up. It doesn't really matter. Drop a load of bleach on it
space, you know what, Thereis the difference between war and civil war.
Their liquid people, So just dropa load of sand, sawdust,
sawdust. They never tried that didthat. No, twentieth and twenty first

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century things that are lethal to reallydangerous. Twenty fourth century things include bullets
to bog completely more lethal than anytwenty fourth century weapon, and sawdust on
the Founders, I was liking yoursand idea better. I think sand then
accompanied by mass heat and turn theentire planet into a big glass sheep.
Yeah, what if you boil ita change link then put it in the

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tape modern? Yeah, what ifyou boil it? What if you drink
one? What if you fry it? If you drink it then it just
rips around inside of you and killsyou, And then I think that would
happen. Of course it does.That's frightening, it, isn't it.
They never tried that in Star Trek. They should have done they should have
done that. Well maybe, ohno, what I there? What if
you drank it in bits? Whatif you bit a bit off? I
would still do it, would it? Yeah? I once it's separated,

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it can still move around on it. But what's controlling it of itself?
Founders are weird. It's mind iseverywhere? Is it? Though? Is
it everywhere everywhere? That's crazy?I don't know what to make of that?
Really? No, so well Ithink about that. Yeah, But
then again, why did Odo notjust split into two people and like,

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you know, he's got two crimesto deal with, and then he could
just split and split into two midges. They'd both be half as size and
then run away and that would beawesome, would have been great, But
they never did that. Or incase of a security emergency, tens of
thousands of minute microscopic Odo is runningaround teeny little ones. That would be
fantastic, all the size of theborrowers. Yeah, he should have done

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that. There could have been coloniesof little Odos living on the station.
I don't think Odo was mass specificbecause there is the one where he becomes
big, isn't there? Yeah,and then he turns into a smaller thing
at one point, so a Tone thousand. Now, I think he
could have split himself into and wouldquite happily, because I think it is
all you have to do is holleryourself out. That's true. What we

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never really saw the limit on that, did we know. I mean,
you'd ideally want to get him downto a planet and just go, oh,
how big can you get? Yeah, because on the station you'd have
to find a room for him,and that that's limits. Or you just
put him out of the airlock andsee if you can you just cover the
station? How big can you?How small can you? Just? Yeah
and yeah? See how can youget down to a molecule? Interesting idea.

(29:47):
She never really pushed it far enough. They never did, you see,
And he could have done some weirdcrazy stuff in squashed places, like
you could go into somewhere as liquidand just make an arm come up out
of the liquid. If you neededto do something cramp space. You'd fuck
with people, wouldn't you. Howcreepy would that be? Yeah, pretend
to be somebody's bathwater. You'd waitin the replomat and see if anyone came

(30:10):
in and asked for a Busted CD, and you pretend to be the computer
surface. I'd like a couple oftracks from that twentieth century band Busted,
and then his big hand would comeout of the consoles, slap you around
the face a few times and goback inside. I'd like a track from
Nellie Fotado Slap, slap, slap. Not loving the Nellie fto, No

(30:32):
really, no, I'm not abig fan myself, and don't you don't
normally hear a group with busted though. No, to be fair, but
I am intensely unfair. So bustedstill going? Didn't they break up?
I don't know. Isn't it McFly? Now? Is it McFly? Slap
slap slap? Odo? Do yousee what the music keep? It's like
McFly liking back to the future?All right, it's a very clever name.

(30:53):
Is that what it is meant tobe? Yeah? Where else are
they going to get? Call yourselfDoc Brown? That's better or anything?
Why don't they just fuck off?I asked this about them daily. Why
don't you just go away? Rightof all the You know, it's not
fair, yea. When you thinkof innocent people that are being hurt all

(31:15):
around the world right now and flysit at home, safe and comfortable.
I don't think that's fair. Yeah, I don't think that's fair at all.
Tens of thousands of people die everyday. How come they're not one
of them? It's not fair?Or two or three or four of them.
It's just not fair. No,not that I wish them harm,
No, you do them? Yeahyou do. I'm sorry. Okay,
So we're on ODO special here.Okay, I think we come to the

(31:40):
end, I can't think of anythingelse to talk. Well, there's loads
of want to talk about. Whatwhat happens to Beijo? Does it join
the Federation at last? Do youknow what? I was fed up at
Beijo, But not really that important. I don't want to enjoy. I
do like the prophets and the slashyour teens get a grip. You just
want to Cisco to set them downand go. Look, you're one shuffing

(32:06):
planet. Do you know how muchattention we are from Yorkshire? He's from
Yorkshire. You're one planet. Whydo you think we're giving this much attention
to one planet? We were justbeing nice in the beginning, and then
after that we were just being abit polite. But now we've been here
for seven years and you're still going. I don't know if I wanted to

(32:27):
join the Federation, make up yourmind, just just do it, or
let me get on with the restof my day. No wonder he left,
you'd have left, but well heleft to become one of their gods.
So I don't know. And hopefullyjust told them to put up a
shut up, put up a shutup. I know. Cryptic prophecies from
Cisco. Cisco, Cisco Profit comesdown and go join the shut up,

(32:51):
join it, shut up. I'mnot making this ambiguous. Yeah, what
did he mean by join the federation? It would happen. It would happen.
Eat potatoes. What does that mean? It means eat potatoes and you
have the right to too, barearms. Yeah, you think people will
get that now that couldn't possibly getsconstituted family guy. So so that's what

(33:16):
happens. That's what happens. Theyget a big slap from Profit Cisco and
then they and they a lot ofslapping today, a lot of people slapping
a lot of people doing the slapmovement. I know every time. If
I wish I had a video camera, I can put out a view of
you from the slashing people who buyBustard fly. So I think maybe Bejo
then sort of came back after thedeath of kai Win and say, actually,

(33:38):
can we be in the federation now? And then the man went and
you know, you can't meet inthe federation now security And that was the
last we heard from Beja. Andthen they go, well we've got that
wormhole stool, all right, okay, you can join. I think maybe
the Federation just take over Bejo orone afternoon. Nobody knows, no one

(33:59):
says anything, no notices, butthen there's just suddenly no more. Kind
of like how China is just goingto make North Korea disappear. I'm starting
to wonder that. I don't know, it's just gonna happen. It's just
you're just you're just gonna wake upand then the news will come out.
Was like North Korea is not thereanymore. Everyone in China took a step
to the left and they're running NorthKorea. Yeah. I don't know,

(34:23):
honestly, that's all it would take. The people worry about the Americans going
into North Korea, US having togo into North Korea. No, and
if anyone is going to need togo into North Korea, it's going to
the Chinese. And you're not goingto get an advanced warning and you're not
going to know about it. Yeah, it's just going to happen one day,
and then it will be called NorthChina. Yes, and no where

(34:46):
we called North China, it willbe called China, just China, the
North Korean province. And mainly thatwould even be best for the North Koreans
as well. Maybe they all tryand escape to China or anyway. Yeah,
well better you just imagine the guyat customs there's a knock on the
door one day. Yeah, hello, hello, Hello, where China.

(35:07):
We've we've come to invade you.Okay, just a minute, just a
minute. You're not on the list. We were expecting anyone but you.
Oh no, I'm sure George Bushisn't back there. No, just okay,
okay, And then they'd run away. But that's that's We should do

(35:27):
a politics show, the most simpleview of politics in the world ever.
We do that. It's called thedefinite of word. Anyway, that's true,
that's very true. Well, definitedof word is either space, weird
things, or politics or cartoon ladiesyou'd like to have sex. Yeah,
it's such an odd show that anyway, let's get on with it, then,

(35:51):
do we Do you have anything moreto add? I don't think speculate
any further would be speculating on speculation, which could get a little bit.
Well, this could eventually lead anywhere. He could lead anywhere, and we're
just we'll go off on a massiveone. But we'd like to hear your
views on the matter. What doyou think would happen. I do believe
William Shatner himself wrote a book onthe topic. Did he. I believe

(36:16):
he did? Did he? Now? Do you know? I got that
one audio book of his like afterGenerations, Yeah, when Cook comes back.
Yeah, yeah, he doesn't.Well he's dead in Generations, he's
not. He didn't die. No, but hours after that the Romulans take
his body and reanimate it with borgnanoprobes. Yeah. He then wrote it's

(36:38):
a series of like ten books,and he comes back later to be mates
with Picardon hangout. They'd become besymates and sort of like the boys from
the Enterprise, they go out clubbingand pulling chicks together and stuff like that.
Yeah, but who uses the line? Oh, Kirk uses the line.
He's the intro guy, right,He's the sort of the icebreaker,

(37:00):
and it's have you met my friendJean Luke. That's that's how he gets
it. So Captain Picard just sortof stands in the background while Kirk goes
and chats up the ladies. Yeah. Sometimes he falls over his a bit
drunk, and God helps him,takes him home, puts a blanket over
his legs, curses at him inFrench. Yeah, that's what happens.
Excellent the future of Star Trek andRyker's beard eventually goes back, and alarmingly,

(37:23):
he then learns that in later lifeand women, women also grow beards.
That would be one surprise for him. Everyone's maybe. Yeah. Data
tries to reinstall this positronic net withthe latest version of Windows. It crashes
and he dies. He's already done. He's already dead. Sorry, I'm

(37:45):
just thinking before loads of Vista andactually gets slightly done. Yeah, okay,
that's what happens. Thank you.You can join in the Windows bashing,
now, can't you? Yeah?I can because I have a Mac
Michael does using Apple products. Indeedlovely because now I'm sucking on my own

(38:06):
cock. So you can get ontothe website simpasyndicate dot com. You can
get into the forums. Tell uswhat you think would happen after the arter
D Space nine. If anyone's readthe books, I'm going to get more
of the book the D Space nineseason eight books. I haven't seen that
which were written. Season eight waswritten in book form. I've never read
it. If you can get itinto audio book form, I will experience.

(38:30):
Or if you could just give usthe abridged version. That would be
nice if someone can write in asummary. Yeah, that's that's good.
That's good. That's good enough forme. That's enough for me. Okay,
so yeah you can. If youcan do that, that'd be great.
If not, I don't really mind. So yeah, get onto the
website, tell us about what youthink was going to happen. Afterwards,
tell us what actually happens in theofficial Catalog of Star Trek Fiction, and

(38:52):
listen to our other shows. Wehave movies you should see. Just to
interrupt you briefly, okay, speakingof other shows and talking about Star Trek
books. Okay, we have anothershow on the way, do we now?
Well, you were there when wetalked about I know I was asking
being rhetorically the rhetorical guy. I'mbeing that rhetorical guy. Books you should
read. Books you should read comingalong soon. That sounds amazing, Richard,

(39:15):
tell me more. I'll tell youmore about it. The premise of
this show isn't like movies. Youshould see our albums. You should hear
where we have a group of peoplediscussing a book for an hour. Right.
In fact, this this show willbe five to ten minutes long.
Feature, but one person, butone person, that's quite a radical sidestone.
Richard giving a review of a bookformula on the end's quite a clear

(39:39):
reason dangerous living. There's a veryobvious gain the fact that collectively we've all
read six books. Yeah, sowe don't possess the ability individually to know
this. We don't have the power. So we need you. We need
all of you, every one ofyou that's teaching, every one of you.
We are going to make a interactivepodcast, an interactive podcast in that

(40:02):
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should set up an email address forthis. I'll do it books. You
should read it simply syndicated dot commakes sense, it's going to be there
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a week of any book. Audioquality ain't so important, just so long

(40:24):
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you can write a review and thenyou can request one of us to read
it out as a show. Twothings about that. First of all,
make sure it's really long, yes, because it struck me the other day
that ten minutes have written text.We might actually be able to collect it

(40:45):
and do it. You know,we might read through yourself, time it
and make sure it's about ten minuteslong. Five to ten minute okay,
and also don't try and be cleverand put in little things like we're reading,
so we're reading the way and thenthe line I'm a poopoo face or
something like that, so we readthat out. I hope that you'd read

(41:05):
it before you read it on justreading it, Yeah, just just get
it all right. They moved intothe kitchen. It was night. I
have a small peis the wind wasblowing. What was that? Yeah,
I don't want that. No,no, that because we're not that right.
You'll trick us with stuff like fuckyou San Diego. That's what it
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(41:53):
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Big One episode fifty two, fifty, fifty, fifty fifty Big one.
Do we then have to do ahundred? We didn't do the movies you

(42:15):
should see fifty? No, wedidn't. No. I don't know why
we were doing a fifty because it'sa big one. It's a big number.
It's big round number. Hundred isa big number. It's a big
round fund number. You want todo a fifty, Yeah, I want
to do a fifty. People wantto do a fifty. You want to
do a fifty? All right,But I'm doing another Christmas movies you should
see this year? Well, likeyou weren't going to well, okay,

(42:37):
I'm doing another review of the yearthis week. Year then okay, okay,
okay, okay, Well, andwe'll do a fifty of this one
all right, okay, but noseventy five. No, no, we're
gonna miss Why people do seventy fiveand twenty five. I don't know.
They're ship well, they're just tooexcited about celebrating things. I think fifties
too many. We need to goto one hundred fifties, five fifty fifties.

(42:59):
Okay, okay, okay, thankyou, by bye, by bye,

(44:00):
wish to the gin.