MOTN LORE: Isla Nublar (Jurassic Park)

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Tootie Odin, Wash, and Mike G break down the lore of the dangerous yet magical island of Isla Nublar! Home of the original Jurassic Park! Does the first island matter in the whole of Jurassic Park lore?

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Let's just do introductions all around.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Wash Yo, what on? Happy to be here, Thanks for
having me back. Jurassic part nice.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ready to talk some dinosaurs?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, man, I like things that are like seven tons
and eat other things. It's kind of well, I'm glad
I'm not there. Let's put it that.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Way for real, full real and of course the wonderful,
the enchanting to the odin.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
What's going on too?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
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the rar we needed to get this bad way go.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
That's a way better, would have awesome clip.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Sorry you guys back.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Under.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, I know Cam down over there.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Nobody cares. We're talking Jurassic Park people. I'm so excited.
I almost don't even want to do a big preamo.
Let's just jump into it, shall We We're doing mt
and lore Onla New Blar specifically, and for those who
don't know, Isla New Blar is the very first island

(02:47):
that we encounter Jurassic Park. There's a ton of lore
to this place, so I'm happy to break it down
with the astute squadron here before we jump in, does
anybody have anything to say before we opened the giant
gates to Jurassic Park?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
A couple of questions movie going experience. Did you see
it theater?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
You know what, that's a very good segue to our
first slide, welcome.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I did not know. That was not planned, so.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Moviegoing experience.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, I absolutely saw the very first movie
in the theaters with my cousin, Chris Dyren. I saw
it with my mother, I saw with my sisters. It
was a huge memory. It was so funny because there's
a generational gap between us older kids and then the
ones that were like in their early what what would
be in their early thirties now, So it's so funny

(03:51):
that like it's still kind of separated. They have a
totally different memory of Jurassic Park than we do even today,
which is so funny. But yeah, I'll never forget it, right,
So I'll never forget it. It was honestly one of
the best movies we saw that year. I can't remember
if it was in the summer because it was tied

(04:12):
in with a couple of other movies, including Toy Story,
which was epic, and I don't remember if it was
the same year, or if it were just around the
parentheses of that era of years. But like there was
all kinds of amazing movies exploding at the same time,
and my parents happened to have the time to actually
take us to go and see them. So it was
just memory after memory, which is why I still love

(04:33):
the theater today. Anyway, sidebar, that's out. Yeah, Jurassic Park, dude,
it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't just that, Like we
went and saw the movie. We went home and we
played the movie. Me and my cousins got on our bikes.
We rode around the neighborhood and we were looking actively

(04:53):
looking for dinosaurs, as we wrote, around the neighborhood, and
like we we crossed bridges that weren't there because we
went through tiny creeks. And this is in East La,
mind you, I lived in East La at the time
when the movie came out, And like we crossed tiny
little creeks that didn't even exist outside of like ghettos

(05:14):
and like these tiny ditches and stuff like that. Like
we made our own jungle, We made our own dress
of park. And I'll never forget going home and actually
playing it. And my cousin knowing the score when we
came home, my cousin and it was the same exact
day that we came home and saw from seeing the movie,

(05:35):
like it was so funny. Like that's what made it
funny to us in the sense is that my cousin
came home and remembered that part of the movie because
when we found our dinosaur egg, like he lifted it
up and he was doing the score. It was like
it was just perfect. So this entire movie had an
absolute imprint on my brain, the very first one. Anyway, Yeah,

(05:57):
that was that a lot. I feel like that was
a lot.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
You know, shut out the East LA. You know, I
haven't spent a lot of time there, but you know,
you you got a Tar Museum in Los Angeles, which
I've been at least seven times.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
That place is amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
There were all types of gnarly things cruising around the
Los Angeles area once upon a time ago, and if
you were in LA and have not been there, you
need to go there. That place is freaking awesome. They
even still have a live like egg going on that
you can like see the like area of and it's
it just keeps growing, so anyway, shut out La East La.

(06:36):
You know dinosaurs my experience. You know, I don't think
I was driving agent. I think I got dropped off
to go to the movies with my friend. It was
one of those Friday after school, Friday after school things,
because that's what we did in a small town. You
hung out in front of the theater waited to go
to the movie. Yep, all right, and so actually that

(06:58):
knocks into that Friday live or where I got put. Anyway,
all I really remember from the movie going experience is
the sound to this day, that sound I second and
none if you ask me, movie going experience sound wise,

(07:19):
Jurassic parks in the top three, like without a doubt,
like you the thing blows you away. And you know
this isn't a review per se, So I don't feel
that saying this this movie made in nineteen ninety three,
was it? This thing freaking holds up to day Like
you turn on Jurassic Park to day you're like, damn,

(07:42):
this is this is awesome. So anyway, that's my experience.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Absolutely, you knowled it right on the head one on
the holding up into This is one of the first
films that used dobe TXX right, the audience is listening,
you know that. You know that's yeahs got Dobe sound
and freaking heard that t Rex Okay. My experience and
my experience very similar to touts. My grandmother has always

(08:10):
been very big on us going to the movies as
a family, Like all of us, like I don't care
if we have to work that day, We're going to
go see Jurassic Park nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety three,
like to D said, like a just a perfect storm
of great movies, right, Jurassic Park toy Story came out
around that time, the birth of Pixar, right and Jurassic Park.

(08:32):
I think for me it was one of the first
movies I was ever fully immersed in. I was, you know,
I didn't eat, I didn't drink. I was literally elbow
feet on the chair, wrapped curled up like this scared
the entire time and totally immersed, like so frightened. And

(08:54):
it was one of those things like where I think
this is like our generation's Jaws, where I'm literally in
the bathroom of a day like Raptor, there's gonna be
a rap of a stall and it's gonna go for you.
Seeing a little toe click under the thing. I was
terrified of dinosaurs for for years, and it made me
so fascinated into them.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So yeah, Jurassic Park is one of those.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Formative films that just opened your imagination and anybody in
our generation will attest everybody was in the dinosaurs. After
Jurassic Park, they just took completely over. Everybody wants to
know what a raptor was. When I was drawing dinosaurs,
everybody had a favorite dinosaur. This was truly a monumental
film for our generation for sure. Oh, welcome to Jurassic Park.

(09:44):
Speaking of just welcome we have that was our welcome
to Jurassic Park. But speaking of the island itself, how
did you feel like speaking of the sound when they
flew in, he said.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
There it is.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
There, it is kids, and you to see the island
in that booty score by John Williams. Then that then
the whole thing was just a build up to the
first time you saw a dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
How does it?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
How do you guys feel about the opening of this
of the introduction to this island to Jurassic Park.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Okay, I suppose I'll go uh yeah, the opening is
absolutely amazing, from the opening to the ending. The entire
John Williams score is ridiculous, the banner falling at the
end and the dinosaur roaring completely in here. But by

(10:38):
now here's what I'm gonna tell you. Here's what I'm going
to tell you about the score. Family guy ruined a
lot of it because a lot of times when I
hear the Jurassic Park score, I hear Peter Griffin.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
I never thought about it, so you just said it.
As soon as you said it, I hear Peter. I
totally hear.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Ba ba ba.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Ba.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, I totally hear Peter grissin. So I can't I
can't change that anymore. Thank you, Seth McFarlane in shut
out because I was very clever. And by the way,
side note, sidebar, Seth McFarlane is a huge John Williams fan. Huge.
In fact, I met him at a John Williams concert
September of twenty eleven. I want to say I may

(11:30):
be really wrong on that, but I didn't meet Seth
McFarlane at a John Williams concert at the Hollywood Bowl,
which was really cool. So he's a legit fan of
John Williams. So like him using the sounds effects and
the Orchestra, ladies and gentlemen, John Williams, and he did
the binary sunset and whatnot. He's a huge fan and
also a huge Star Wars fan. But again I will

(11:51):
digress from that. But yeah, so when it comes to
the score of the Jurassic Park, like, yes, it's amazing,
but family guy kind of ruined it, sort of kind
of for me just a little bit. And that I
hear it in Peter's voice.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Upon first viewing, I had no idea what the hell
I was looking at, you know what I mean. The
helicopter comes cruising in, and you know, you're just like,
what is this view? This is amazing? And I believe
it's somewhere in location in Hawaii in reality, right because
I know a bunch of people who went there and
they say it's freaking gorgeous. But as a repeat viewer,

(12:35):
when you see this island, and even now as we
get into the lore and we start digging deep into it,
it's like, you know how big this island has to be? Like,
this place is freaking big. It's untouched, it's completely remote,
and the the as you know, we're talking talking about

(13:00):
part one, we're talking about isla new blar. I'm gonna
mispronounce that at least seven times today. But as you
get further into the lore, like people were coming to
this island, they were taking things off this island, and
it's like, dude, this island's out here in the middle
of the blanket nowhere. We're going to the island. Oh,

(13:22):
that means I might die. Forget about the dinosaurs. It's like,
where am I? How do I get off? If we
lose a boat? Who we call it? You at the
beginning the dude, he's like, yeah, am I going up there? Yeah,
there's a bunch of death. Sure, but that wasn't about that.
That's like what if my boat gets like what are
we doing swimming? That's funny.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You mentioned that there's a kitshell called Jurassic Park cap Cretaceous,
where it's basically that it's four kids who are left
there after Jurassic World and are left there at the
fence for themselves on camp on Isla New Blar before
the volcano erupts on Falling Kingdom in uh was it
Drassic Park? Falling Falling Kingdom is where the island explodes.

(14:04):
We'll get to that further in the lore, but Yeah,
forget the dinosaurs. I don't want some giant bug to
get me and scoop me in the neck. And now
now I got dysentery story, and that was the story
of me. You know, I'd even get killed by a
cool thing importance to the lore when dinosaurs ruled the earth.

(14:27):
I always like this slide because it's kind of like
our thoughts on this early thoughts, like very high brow
thoughts on how important an island is to a story,
a location is to a story. So we'll start with wash.
How do you feel the actual island itself is important
to the lore?

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Well, I was actually gonna start with you because you
didn't answer the last question. What was the last question?
The interesting? Yeah about it? Your thoughts on it?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Oh man, let me expoure. I get so excited. I'm
like a dog tasting cars. Yeah, I don't know what
to do.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
I got it. You know, I was just gonna throw
it to you first, you know what I mean. Bad,
I get way too excited about this stuff.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, the interest to the movie is just one mystery
box after the other, isn't it a coin? Kind of
like JJ abrams, Just like, Okay, we're on this plane
it takes a plane to get there.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
First of all, that's off you know.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Are a jet. It takes a helicopter to get there.
You see this giant, sprawling island. You've never seen anything
like it before in your entire life. It's such a
weird start to a movie. The music is blaring, it's
just it's just completely immerses you right off the You
see the cool Jurassic Park jeeps, which was like marketing
one O one. It's like you automatically wanted the Jurassic

(15:59):
Park gy, you know what I mean. And you're thrown
into this group of characters, doctor Grant, John, you.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Know, Jeff Goldblum's character.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
You automatically out love, you know, Malcolm, doctor Malcolm the
goat him him if you Dalton, and you automatically kindle
to every single person in the car. Even Doctor Hammond
is very likable. So you're already on board. And that's
just Spielberg, right, that's Spielberg, like automatically make you worry

(16:31):
about these people, you know. So it's like the interesting
It's almost like a master class of how to automatically
throw you in the middle of a situation, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh yeah, likeak baby immediately immediate, nothing you can do.
So when you talk about the importance of the lord
like it first off, when you think about the concept,
and you know, we'll probably get into this little later,
but when you think about the concept, if you were

(17:03):
to be like, hey, I'm gonna bring back the wooly mammoth,
for instance, where are you going to put the wooly mammoth,
much less three hundred of them? You know what I mean?
So when you talk about the importance to the lore
of this island, you have to ask yourself. And you know,

(17:23):
I did not see dominion full disclosure, even though I'm
actually peaked a little bit now, just because the natural
progression of things makes sense when you look at into
a hole versus just kind of clipped out, and it's like, man,
where are we going to do this right? Where can
we make this safe? Where do we have resources? This

(17:46):
is where my mind goes. And you know, I don't
know about food per se, like, because I can't sure
there were a couple of hogs running around, right, but
you don't have like like like you have t rex
food running around. So they made they chose this in
mind with the dinosaurs are obviously going to be carnivores

(18:09):
and feed off each other, which is kind of a
morbid thought when you're bringing this species back. So I
looked at it, or look at the island as as
a whole, as it's hard to have Jurassic Park without
a place to put the damn park. Like imagine if
they wanted to put SeaWorld in at a pool. Hey,
we're bringing SeaWorld to your public pool.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Long Beach aquarium, Like, let's go.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
When are you going to do with that? It's like, hey,
all right, were we putting the whale? Oh, don't worry
about it. Logistics, So the importance to the lore for
me comes to the logistics of the island and the
dinosaurs on it, even though it is a movie and
not you know, DHD ups.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
A fun fact about that, and good to your point
is that apparently the Jurassic Park was originally supposed to
be in San Diego, San Diego Zoo, right, and that
tarkens back to Jurassic Park three. But Hammond said, yeah,
what if something goes wrong? Now we have t Rex's
walking down main Street, you know what I mean, Let's
put this on a secluded island. We're already using Islasorna

(19:17):
to breed them. Its Losorna was the original place that
they were bred. Let's just rent out the adjacent island
and use that as Jurascic Park, because in retrospect, you
know what I mean, have a Jurassic Park in a
metro month and having a brand new idea in a
in a metropolitan area probably not the smartest idea, you know,
at least until you get it all sorted out, Toots,

(19:40):
what's your thoughts on the importance to the lore?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Oh well, as far as the island itself being important
to the lore, I don't consider the island to be
any importance to the Lord, to be honest, given that
the island itself was only a trial and air island.
It was only a leaflet and an entire pamphlet of thesis.

(20:05):
So there was this is one of many. What we're
what we're dealing with here and what we've seen in
these movies, there is only one leaflet of many, you know,
like this person who invested here is only a franchise.
Like let's let's uh, for example, let's take McDonald's or Subway.
This is just a one uh franchise of a bigger

(20:30):
conglomerate or bigger corporation. I don't remember if we actually
have any idea what the corporation is. It doesn't happen
in in the first movie. It may happen in the second,
or third or fourth, I don't remember. I'm coming off
this with I'm raw dogging it tonight, gentlemen, because I
actually enjoy an embracest situation so much. I'm just raw

(20:52):
dogging it by my own theories and thesiss B side whatever.
I don't care. But my my point is is that
this is just one experiment among many. So this one island, Like,
there's plenty of islands that this could happen on in seclusion,
in safety. The way it was done, it was done properly,

(21:14):
if you want to go about it in a scientific way.
This was done absolutely well. The bad part, or the
thing that the wrong choice that was made was inviting
family over to experience this before it was even ready.
So that was that's the whole movie, right. The movie

(21:36):
isn't about oh yeah, human beings come and enjoy this.
The thing was like they were theoretically just trying this out,
and they were going to try this obviously on the
people that said they loved they loved the most that
being said. The only reason why they did that is
because they were so assured that this was going to

(21:56):
be one thousand percent, one hundred percent safe for everybody involved.
This is why they were doing the test run. It's
funny though, that they only chose four people to do
the test run with. And you know what I mean,
as opposed to like a warm one hundred or a
warm two fifty, the way we would probably see today

(22:18):
when it comes to like something like Tiana is by you,
or like the opening of a new ride or something
like that. Excuse me, but like that, that's interesting that
it like we can equate it to that, but it's
probably not that simple. So these guys were actually taking
scientific steps to make sure that this was going to
be done safely, let's put.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
It that way.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
And then it went a ride, you know what I mean.
So everything went haywire in the blink of an eye,
and it didn't actually do that. This was done manipulatively.
But you know, that'll come. I'm sure that'll come in
the next life, I suppose. But but yeah, the importance
to the Lord. Let's go back to the ice post.

(23:02):
I don't think the island itself is very important to
the lore, and I haven't said that very much in
the lore. I've always assumed that the things that we
were discussing were very absolute, fundamental to the lore. In
this case, not so much, not even close. We don't
need the island in order for the lore and the
science behind the dinosaurs to exist. They can exist anywhere,

(23:23):
like you said, in Manhattan, like Brian said, they were
ready to go, and they were not ready for it.
So that's it.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, And it's funny to hearing Brian's importance take in
your importance take and kind of I don't want to
be the median, but at the same time, I like
both of your tastes, Like, well, you tell me where
the very first McDonald's is, you know what I mean,
I don't know. I don't know if the top of
my head where the very first McDonald's is.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Think it's funny that you mentioned that, because I thought
about that as Judy was talking, and I'm like, you're right,
but there was a first McDonald's, you know what I mean.
There was a first McDonald's and that location probably mattered.
But this is the sales business. Side of Brian talking.
You know, and you know they get corporate Jurassic Park

(24:12):
billions of dollars. It's like, yeah, logistics, maybe logistics, go ahead, Yeah,
no worries, I definitely.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
You're higher. No, and I kind of the job. No,
you got it, you're that guy. No, I'm kind of
I hate to say, I'm kind of between both of you.
Like importance to the lore. Yes, there's a lot of
Jurassic Park that happens after one, right, there's a whole
lot of experiments. There's a whole there is. There is

(24:44):
locations after locations at the locations to secure this location,
you know what I mean. Hammond was so positive that
this was where he would invite his own grandchildren for
the not for the not even like the first run.
They were just they were just invited to the park
to see how things were going. The park was still
like three months out of being like torrible. You know,

(25:08):
we see even in this picture, you're seeing like workers
and contractors walking around cleaning and stuff up. They got
sick dinosaurs. What did Malcolm say. It's like it's the
problems of having a zoo in an amusement park. At
the same time, like It's it's like this perfect storm
of issues that can happen on top of that peak.
Speaking of perfect storms, I think you you welcome to

(25:33):
FRII fast.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Would you like some fries?

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Sure, you know.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And it's kind of like Isla isla new bar is
important just because it boomerangs in the series. It's not
just in this first movie. They build Jurassic World on
this on the skeleton of Jurassic Park in Jurassic World.
And I think that these events don't happen if it's

(26:00):
not on it's on a new blar only because of
the tropical storm that happens at the exact same time Newman,
you know, booby traps the park at the exact same
time they bring these innocent bystanders to the science experiment,
you know what I mean. So I think there is
ample lore to be had and stories to be told

(26:23):
from this island even before the dinosaurs got there. There's
a lot of backstory lore to this particular island and
why it was chosen for this isolated location just in
case anything happened. It's almost like welcome to Zombie Island.
Would you like a slushie? We're just gonna let zombies
loose on this island because you know, for a fact,

(26:44):
first case the ear, they're not going anywhere, you know
what I And overall it might have went.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Well, but someone stumbled on the island and you know,
God eaten and it's like, oh damn, what do you
got over here? Nothing? Nothing? Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
It's funny in Juratz. After the events of this movie,
it was a cool decade before anybody came back to
this island because they covered it up. No one the
world still didn't know Jassic Park even happened. Everybody had
to sign NDA's up the yazoo. No one could talk
about it. That's a lot what Jassic Park two was about.
Malcolm was like, I can't really talk about it because

(27:22):
I'll just still as sue me to death if I
talk about this island and exactly what transpired that cost
the lives of dozens of people and threatened all four
of us, and by the grace of God, we all escaped.
But speaking of just the Sure and Dutes mentioned it,
like the sure almost Hubrius of this, of this entire idea,

(27:43):
Let's talk about doctor Hammond's dream, you know what I mean.
It's like, this is probably one of my second favorite
part of the movie because it's so it's so storytelling,
but at the same time, it's so fun and cute. Nina,
mister DNA. You guys, it's like a little cue cards
and everything, but it's so cute, you know what I mean?
In your blood, you know, I just want to I

(28:07):
just want to do with the DNA voice for the
rest of this segment. But I would have asked you
dinosaurs in the map.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
But it's like.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
One of the most intimate scenes is doc is doctor
Hammond talking with what's her name, Sarah and they're at
the dinner table and he's just explaining why he did
this ship. It's like, man, I just go to the
fleet circus and you know it's all fake. You know,
it's not real. I just wanted to create something that
was actually real, you know that people can touch. And
what did you guys thoughts on was doctor was Doctor

(28:44):
Hammond's dream like completely out of pocket? Was there any
merritor to what he wanted to do? What are your
thoughts on this?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I would go because I don't have a lot to
say about his dream, Like, yeah, I man, and you
know his dream? What I think it's funny that you
bring up this clip because this clip covers up like
a ton of science that's going on in the background,
and it's like, uh, prick of the blood. You know,

(29:16):
it's a very surface level, And for me, doctor Hammond's
dream was a very surface level, like I just want
to bring I just want something that's real. I just
want to touch and see a real dinosaur. I got
the means, I got a spot, so yeah, let's do it. Meanwhile,

(29:37):
there's like mad scientist level crap going on behind the
scenes and he's just like one, two, three, Oh, I
got what I made. So for me, his dream was,
you know, shortsighted to say the very least in fact
to your point, Yeah, here's what we're gonna do. I'm

(29:58):
gonna bring back dinosaurs. My first thought is let's take
them to San Diego. That's the first thought. So yeah, automatic, right,
you know what, short sighted Not to interrupt. It reminds
me of that one Spider Man panel where Spider Man
is fighting Saurron from The X Men, you know, giant
stegosaurus looking dude, terod actor looking guy, and he's like

(30:20):
he's like he's like, saur On, You're brilliant you can
cure cancer, why do you Why is it all you
ever do is try to turn people to the dinosaurs.
And he's like, because I don't care about cancer. I
just want to turn people to the dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
Like okay, god, okay, you could have used this infinite
resource to do anything else in the world.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
But he was so like you said, it's like so
high level. I went to dinosaurs and that's as far
as he thought it through. You know, he's not showing
off the science of it all. He's not up there
ego stroking himself. He's like, no, I just want to
play it, man. Just check this out.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
That's a SECA source over there.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Isn't that cool? Check this out? No, it's not, man like,
you just want to break to let's see the plants. Cool.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
But but you know you're gonna make a zoo. It's
not gonna be a petting zoo. You want to see
a lion is here's the that's the problem.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yes, this is the problem. That's the problem. You know
it gets you know, it gets turbo boring. Uh dude,
what are your thoughts on doctor Hammond's dream?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Okay, well, I'm sorry, but Brian is one thousand percent right,
John Hammond is the lu John Hammon has no idea
what's going on in real life. But at the same time,
like you said, behind the scenes, theyse are scientists that
are taking advantage of doctor Hammond's money, that are absolutely

(31:58):
using it to their advantage to advance the actual research.
John Hammond thinks it's all him, like I have this
bright idea to do this dirt for dirt. He does
what he has to do. He does his ones, twos
and threes, and he adds them up and he sends
it to the science lab research in order for them
to be like yeah, like legit, like we're gonna do this,

(32:20):
and he ends up like obviously funding the entire thing.
Whatever John Hammond does, that's different. Lore. I think John
Hammond Lord, John Hammond Lord is different. This man makes
money somehow, so there's that, okay. But that being said,
doctor Ian Malcolm, not only do I have a mad

(32:41):
ass crush on doctor Ian Malcolm, but doctor Ian Malcolm
knew the entire time that this was never going to work.
And that's what makes this movie and this lored so
cryptically amazing is that he came in with a warning.
He came in paid helicopter ride, all expenses paid. He

(33:01):
already knew that John Hammond expressively said no, what was
his phrase, spared no expense, Spared no expense. He said
it at least three or four times in the movie.
So Ian Malcolm knew all this, took full advantage of it,
and still decided that he was going to voice what
was going to happen. Chaos was going to happen. And

(33:24):
that is insane to me, is that he was the
song bird of our generation in that this isn't going
to go well, just so you know, life's going to
find a way, blah blah blah blah blah, et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera. He knew that this wasn't going
to go well. His money went against what John Hammond's
money did. So what regardless of doctor Hammond's dream, he

(33:47):
hated Ian Malcolm, regardless of how much he paid for
him to be there, He hated the fact that he
was there because he knew already that he was going
to be against his dream. And I think that very
brilliant and very very like sidewinded and bizarre by Steven
Spielberg's aspect, because what a weird thing to do to

(34:10):
add such a conflict into your movie, where if you
understood that people were going to theorize what you were
actually doing with this very scientific movie. And shout out
to Michael Crichton. If you're going to read anything, if
you don't read it all, but if you read anything,
Michael crichton novels are amazing, including Jurassic Park. There's at
least three or four of them. But Michael Crichten is amazing.

(34:33):
Shout out to him. But this is the book audible,
oh audio books also that. Yes, but this is the clash.
This is the clash that people were afraid of. And
then it was right then and there, right then and
there with Ian Malcolm. What an amazing thing to do.
So yeah, doctor Hammond's dream was squashed the second Ian

(34:53):
Malcolm entered the scene.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
If you ask me, you know, think there would be
some dinosaurs or your dinosaur tour, they might be some dinosaurs. Exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
I really hate that man. You know, it's like it's
it's okay, doctor Hammonds stream.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
It's like he invited people to kind of not be
to not be lost in the sauce sort of speak
he thought he was doing. Everything right, right, I'm gonna
invite two archaeologists, they're gonna be great, a legal guy
to make sure that we don't get sued Ian Malcolm
because he's hot. We're inviting in all these people to
check out my dream and to pretty much secure the

(35:46):
destiny a thousand years Jurassic Park. And everybody said this
was a bad idea from the jump, except the legal guy,
who was just like, I'm just kind of a consciences objector.
I'm not gonna say anything. I'm gonna make sure that
everything's on the up and down. And you could see
it starting to eat away at Hammond to the point
where he sees his grandchildren again and the little one

(36:08):
is all shocked. All the hell is you know, the
little girl is all, you know, shell shocked, and and
he's just like, yeah, this is probably not a good idea,
you know what I mean. And everyone's against him from
the start. But the scientist, we're just having fun, having
infinite money to do something that to do the impossible,
you know what I mean. And it goes I think
it goes perfectly into our next segment. And we've been

(36:31):
talking about it, science gone wrong. Well, you're you're scientists.
We're so preoccupied enough they could they just have to
think that they should, you know what I mean, This
is probably the worst idea ever and could have ramifications
that can literally end the world, you know.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
And we see from the future films when they get
out and they're just out in the world that this
is a major problem. You know, we now have We're
not the creatures on Earth anymore. You know, there's big
as t rex is running the countryside. So it's like
this man may have insul facto terminated the human race

(37:09):
without even knowing, just just because he's just like like
you guys both said, you're just so heading the clouds naive,
you know what I mean, Like I just want I
just want to see it happen, and I have the
money to do it. Let's start with you, Toots. How
do you feel about them? And we've been talking about it,
but how do you feel Do you have any further
further thoughts about the mad science and how this movie

(37:30):
kind of harkens back to the old fifties movies science
gone wrong, you know what I mean, Like, what.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Are your thoughts on that? Well?

Speaker 3 (37:38):
I think for sure it was a Hasten endeavor. If
I had a billion trillion dollars that I wanted to
do something with and I was curious as to what
to do with it, I'd probably try to experiment with
something like this. This is a fourth, fifth or sixth
grade endeavor that John Hammon is actually doing. He's just

(38:01):
outliving his childhood experiences without understanding the consequences of those experiences.
So it's very dangerous. And again Ian Malcolm for some
reason understood that. And it's so beautiful that they even
pinpointed the idea that he was childless and that he

(38:22):
was from woman to woman or whatever that he had
even if he I don't remember if he was childless
or that he had multiple women with multiple children. Either way,
he was involved. He yeah, you know, he was divorced
multiple times. Yes, but he was uninvolved regardless, you know

(38:44):
what I mean. So he didn't hold those ties. So
in a sense, you can say Ian Malcolm had no
idea what it was like to even understand the childhood
endeavors of wanting to be curious about what dinosaurs are
be like if they were here. Now. The same thing
would go for trains, right, some kids are into trains

(39:06):
and some kids are into astrology where they're into space
and like astronauts and this math. So it didn't seem
like Ian Malcolm even understood anything of that nature. He
was just one sided, one minded. This isn't going to happen.
You're trying to make this happen. This isn't going to happen.
And that's all there is to that. This isn't going
to happen. You're trying to make this happen. This isn't

(39:28):
gonna happen. And he just left it at that. So
there was no connection to the imagination of being a child.
Whereas John Hammond understood the entire connection. He understood the
assignment of being theoretical and understanding what if we did this,
what if blah blah blah, blah blah. He had the
right amount of money, obviously he had the right amount

(39:50):
of ideas. He understood that science and money went together
in certain forms, and he was able to be alcohel
in that sense where he just understood that like if
I just mix this and this and that we can
make something. And obviously he produced a dinosaur, if not many.

(40:10):
So with that, like I think there's a certain power
when it comes to that, like even if by accident,
and to be honest, John Hammond, that was all by accident.
Science only happens by accident. It's all theory. And then boop,
cruel it works. So science is all accident. So boop,
here we go. Here we have dinosaurs all of a sudden,

(40:32):
and if I'm being honest, right here at twenty twenty five,
we definitely have the technology for dinosaurs. They're here there now,
they're working on them. They probably have mechanical arms, they're
probably doing something, they're probably walking backwards, probably you know,
they're doing crazy shit. So we we definitely have the
technology for that. If not, if not, Michael Crichton would

(40:54):
never have written about that. Now that's another theory. But yeah,
so there's that. But if we are, if we're to
understand that this is gonna be the way from this
point on, I I don't think that's gonna be that's
gonna be a thing. I don't think that's gonna be
a thing. I don't think that, like dinosaurs are actually

(41:15):
going to be a thing. So like when it when
it comes to science going wrong, I guess there's that.
I guess that there's there's no reality in that, like
we're gonna we're gonna see dinosaurs happen. They've already happened. Like,
as far as we're concerned, it's beautiful to understand them
for what they are, but it's not gonna happen from

(41:36):
this point on. But yeah, the science going wrong there
is that that it's already been done. I think it's
already been opened. Yeah, it's already kind of happened there.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
I mean, because this isn't the first time anyone has
seen a dinosaur born in this shot. They've been experimented
with this for years in the in the apparently they
were working on this in the eighties, in the seventies,
they were working on the technology for Jurassic Park. Getting
the science down right. Him has been funding this for decades,
you know what I mean, and building in creating this

(42:12):
island where dinosaurs are going to roam the earth again.
And going back to doctor Grant was like, yeah, we
were all kind of enchanted with the magic of this place,
but like you said to there's a power to that
science and we've all abused it being a part of
this and now it's gotten out of control, you know,
Nidrei's is that his name?

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Nidri?

Speaker 2 (42:34):
The uh ah uh you know you know he shut
down all the Ndri shut down all the power in well,
I hte being right? What did Malcolm say?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Man?

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I hit being right all the time, And that's the
infamous t Rex scene. And now Ish has hit the
fan officially, you know what I mean, like officially effing
around his meat had met on the Venn diagram finding out,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
And now that's a whole other subject. His betrayal of
the entire system is a whole other subject on.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
The that's part of it.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
It's the human.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Nederie's betrayal on the entire system is ridiculously different than
what the science. Has nothing to do with what he did.
That's man error, right, Yeah, that's right. Like that's a
man conspiring against the entire system of what's going on.
So it's nothing to do with science. Man, that's insane. Anyway, Sorry,

(43:31):
it's beautiful that you brought up Nndrie.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Yeah, because I think Ndrie is the catalyst of all
this said. Yeah, as you said, this was so meticulously
planned out that doctor Cambill was sure that he can
bring his grandchildren and they'll be perfectly fine. Every single
minute detail had been planned out. This is the perfect place.
We're gonna have a good time this weekend. But Nidri

(43:55):
was the fly in the ointment, and what's the spy
that through the monkey into everything and cause the island
to literally haywire and show how bad of an idea
this is because not of the science, but the men
behind the science. It's not the gun, it's the man
holding it.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
It's the abusive power.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
It's the abuse of science.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
And that's what Malcolm's whole point is, the chaos of
man that caused this whole thing to go awry, and
that's where the science goes wrong. It's not the science,
it's the men behind the science. You know what I'm saying, Yes,
And I think this whole story is about the abuse
of power. It's about the abuse of it's deduction of
the innocent. It's so many things tied into this one

(44:39):
little story about dinosaurs on an island to where you
just you get lost at it until it bites you
right in the ass. And that's where the t rex
scene happens, and that's where the impossible virus is put
into the system and Jurassic Park is never going to
be the same, you.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
And to go and just give you my two cents
on the science gone wrong, It's like, yeah, the science
is so perfect that we're not perfect. The sciences more
perfect than we are, and we're not responsible enough to
hold this. We're not responsible enough to hold Prometheus's fire,
which is pretty much what this is. You know what
I mean, the second we get it, we're already burning
each other down. And that's what Nitry did. He immediately,

(45:19):
he immediately disobated direct you disobeyed a direct order, and
he just ruined the entire thing forever. Jasic Park was
never going to recover from this.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It's way I know it is. It's starting to just
bleed into every part of your life. It's happening. It's happening.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
That's this is your fault, Brian, I know what you're
talking about. On Friday six six pm, six p episodic Standard,
we got a score set. It's starting to its starting
to bleed.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
But I understand. But back to my point, it's it's
the science gone wrong.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's not the sciences. The men behind the science. We
were never mature enough to handle the city Way and
the island itself. Going back to isla new blar was
the Petri dish in which the virus let loose. This
was the location in which the science does go wrong
and the world is never never the same again, before
we skip, Before we move on Brian science gone wrong?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
What are your thoughts? I have a couple of thoughts. First,
on two d's. If you have one hundred billion zillion dollars,
why does no one say be Batman? If I had
one hundred billion billion dollars, only do is be Batman?

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Like?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Can I raise my hand? Can I raise my hand?

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Go ahead, because I can't fight, and I'll get my
ass well, brollillion dollars. Go make yourself a batmobile man.
One of my earliest jokes that I've ever heard my
father is that Batman cannot be real because his very
first night out someone would have shot him and shot
him in the face.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Batman can't.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
All right, man, fair enough, I don't care how much
money you got, bullets of cheap, all right, and you
can trade all across the world and learn all your techniques.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
But when this happens, g because that's the really ship
I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Kid, I would jump off stuff as a kid like thirty.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Well take out a billion.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
It just happened. I don't know when this episode is
going up, but tune in to Friday Night Live for
more kind of another situation. Yeah, I can't go tomorrow.

(47:46):
I would be remiss if I didn't mention doctor Henry
Ruth because really is his brainchild. And it starts way
before Jurassic Park. It just starts as a simple biological
chromosome type of Yeah, man, I'm just trying to slice
chromosomes and make this, make that evolve, and they kind

(48:10):
of accidentally fall on to oh wait, we can splice
this and do this and take that, and we got boom.
And so this is why he's a through line in
many of the movies. I can't say all, but I
want to say he makes an appearance in almost all
of the films, and he's low key, but really this

(48:33):
is all his science that's been funded by doctor Hammond,
and so you're like, hey, scientists just out there running
a muck. And he has a character arc within the
films that show, you know, yeah, the arc kind of
runs a muck. My point to the science gone wrong

(48:53):
is back to the corporations. So the first Jurassic Park
fails is the new blar it fails. It could have
easily have died. Corporate like, no, we took a loss.
We need to make up this money. Do you know
how much this project costs? And actually, I want to

(49:14):
say in the films doctor who, doctor who?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Yeah who who whoo? Doctor who? Uh talks about Yeah, dude, like,
I'm this has to work. I have no choice for
this to work. Life's work. They keep repeating the exact
same mistake to your point Twoty about Malcolm coming in
and being like, yeah, this is this is not the

(49:39):
way any of this, Yeah this is. And so between
the two of them and throughout the research, I was like, man,
Malcolm's point of this isn't gonna work. Who's insistence of
this science? And then Hammond's money and corporation just kept

(49:59):
it the doomed from just kept this freaking thing cruising.
Bad decision after bad decision, and two and one last point.
And I don't have to make a comment on this
because you know, I just kind of tied it in
to your point touting are they making dinosaurs? I know
they're trying to make Willie Mammon's Okay, I'm not quite
sure the point because the open a eyes involved in that,

(50:22):
uh just made a They just made a sable too tiger.
They just made a stable two tiger. Hadn't heard that?
We're really dumb. If someone's like, yeah, man, let's break
back all the dinosaurs, that's gonna work out, because that's

(50:42):
a terrible, terrible idea. It's literally like, hey, what was it, Megladon,
here's what we're gonna do. The Megladon's real, but we're
gonna give it legs and let it walk around shoot
it with. How am I supposed to defeat this?

Speaker 3 (51:07):
There's nothing that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
It's awesome.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
You mentioned because he is literally like the main villain
of this film, Loki, not the not the Australian like
you know culture.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
That is the quote.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Okay, okay, pause, I don't think he's the main villain
of this film. He eventually becomes the main villain of
the entire Jurassic Park lore. You yes, absolutely not this
film in particular. For sure, he's still a good guy.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Right, It's so crazy, right, Like he's the good guy. Yeah,
because he's the willy Wonka. He figured it out.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
But when you go back and watch in retrospect, you
understand that he's he's very crazy from the beginning. He's
the Lulu from the very first movie, and he just
happens to have the hutspuck to actually make it happen,
and that gives him the confidence and this weird ooze

(52:10):
of desire to continue what he's doing because it worked
one time. Because it worked one time, regardless of the failures.
He ignored the failures from the one time. He ignored
the failures and and the people that died because of
the first one that he kept going. So yeah, he
eventually becomes the villain.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, hell yeah, you know it reminds me of Toots.
Is anybody here seeing Reanimator?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah we watched.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You watched it for a random select? Hell yes, shout
outs to shout outs to random select. He is that doctor.
He is the Jeffrey Comes character. What's a few deaths.
We're changing the world, dude, We're going to save the world.
We're going to make times come back and they're gonna
be rad as shit. What's a few deaths?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Man? What's the dinosaurs?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (53:09):
So he keeps the same mistake over, over it over.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
If they even bring and just circle back to isla
new blar, they go back and.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Create, they create brand new dinosaurs because they're so drunk
off of power. We're just gonna make this adominus Rex.
What is it mixed with? What isn't it mixed with?
The damn thing almost had wings. We're gonna make this
the ultimate killing machine. Why because we can. And it's
gonna look rad and we're gonna sell toys, it's gonna
be great. We're gonna build Jurassic World on the skeleton

(53:42):
of Jurassic Park, and we're gonna just reopen everything. We're
not gonna learn a damn lesson. We're just gonna try
it all over again. I bet it works this time.
And they they short change the adominous Rex because that's
the crux of that whole movie. It's so smart, because
it has the raptor brain. It literally just breaks out
and causes havoc all over the park. And here we

(54:03):
go right back again. And that was a bigger failure
because the dinosaurs actually got out at the end of
Jurassic World, right, that so starts falling the Falling Kingdom,
and you know, a pack of the Laposors is running
in Dakota and ship like that. You know what I'm saying,
Like the earth gets really bad when it's slow, New Bar.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
No, don't spoil Dominion for me. I'm literally gonna watch
it this weekend.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I'm gonna spoil it. But it directly ties into this lore.
All right, I'll be gentle, I'll be gentle. But due
from the start we've been talking about it this whole show,
this island is might as well be like just the Cradle,
might as well just be the gates of Hell pretty much.
You know what I mean, This whole island. It's just

(54:49):
like Doctor Maroon.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, it's Monster Island, Godzilla. Yeah, you got a bad idea,
go ahead, the islet New this is where you below.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Uh, let's compound a bad idea with money and human
greed and and and in nature because nature. Nature conspired
against this island too. Because what made Jurastic, what made
the Night of the Deception the worst, is that the
tropical storm was there and they didn't have their full
group of people. Tons of people left the island because
of the storm, So this could have been maybe contained

(55:24):
if they were a full staff on a Sunday night,
you know what I mean, on a Sunday day. But no,
half the staff left to go back on mainland because
of the storm. Nobody knew NIDRII was gonna flip the switch.
So you're working with the skeleton crew based barely no
one there, and all the dinosaurs get out, not just one,
all of them.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
They all get out. And now what do we do?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
You know what I mean, We're gonna die. We're all
gonna We're all going to die, you know. And it's
and they didn't learn from that mistake. And they were
so high, like Tuty said, on their own supply, that
they just kept trying to make they kept trying to
make Fetch happen. You know this pro tip, Fetch never happened,
and Fetch will never happen. So let's just keep talking

(56:05):
about this doom from the start idea like man's avarice
in man's just own you know, uh, just highness on
themselves to the point where we were just going to
destroy our entire race off of what Ain't that cool?
But do you think it was more ain't that? Do
you think it was just ain't that?

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Is there more to it than that?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I know there's a business side that you mentioned wash
where you know, corporations are tied into this, and we
took a loss and we need to recoporate our losses.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
When it comes down to your hubrious your your favorite
word in all of like history, hubrius. Like they did
not problem anything was going to go wrong at all.
All from the top down was like, yeah, this is fine.
It took everyone coming in from the outside, and it

(56:56):
didn't take them long. It took Doc Sarah, Doctor Allen Well.
Sarah was on board, but she was like, yeah, you know,
healths things of this nature, right, like someone needs to
be here to look over this. Everybody else was like
you did.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
What Wow, historic diseases you may have just unearthed.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
And and everybody involved with the project, and we've all
worked at those places. We've all worked at those places.
We're from the top down. I was like everybody, and
there's like three people over in the corner now negative
nancies blah blah blah part of the culture road. And

(57:39):
it's like, oh, oh yeah, all right, well we're changing
some things. You're gonna we're gonna back up, We're gonna
take some time to reflect on some decisions and decide
how we move forward. And this was you know it engine,
Who's worst? And this is very who's worst? Engine? Our umbrella?

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Umbrella Corporation? Our engine? When it comes to this overall neglect,
neglect of the human race.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Actually, look, I actually would prefer a like, bro, give
me all of resident evil versus what are you doing?
What are you doing? You're just gonna die? Clever, get you.

(58:33):
I'm going I'm going Engine.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
They're gonna scoop you, Doug. I have to say school
police one episode. They're gonna scoop you. They're gonna get you.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Dudes. We're just rambling. What are your thoughts here? Jump in?

Speaker 3 (58:46):
What's the question? Umbrella or engine?

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, who's worse? Umbrella? Our engine.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
I'm gonna disagree with Brian. I think umbrella is so
much worse. I'm okay with dealing with too clever the
girls as opposed to dealing with twelve dozen zombie who
said they're going to surround me. Eventually.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
You have a point.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
I can probably if the kids can get away from
a raptor, I could get away from a raptor.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Maybe my big ass, but I'm not fighting tiring. I'm
just not good at I don't think I'm gonna be.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
At least I get to say clever girl if I'm
fighting dinosaurs. At least I get to quote things.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Before I die versus Locket Watcher stars. I'm just gag,
you know. At least maybe I could resident.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Evil directors cut?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
What is this? What is.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
What is?

Speaker 4 (59:53):
Alright?

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I'm sorry, this is I love you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I love you guys, you guys, Jesus Grid not just
only imagine ness with a raptor head and we just
and that's just the end of all you asked.

Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
You guys asked the questions. I only ask hey, you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Know what you're not You're not okay?

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Before before we get into the consequences of chaos theory,
and it seems to be a theme on just the
lore of this island and how messed up it really is.
Do you remember seeing this scene as a kid and
it wrecking you because that's a real thing in the
shot and not CG and not some fucking cartoon that
that was a real machine that was built, that that
made that looked up and looked at him like a

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damn Okay, it's the feeling you have where you're walking
home from school, you see a stray dog that you
don't know, and the dog makes eye contact with you.
You don't know if the dog is friendly or not,
and the dog is sizing you up, and you get
that apprehension in your chest like do I run?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Do you know what got me about this scene? It
wasn't necessarily the noise, And yes, the noise was not
I saw this movie in the theater like on purpose.
My dad took us to see this movie because of
how loud he knew it was going to be. So
what got me about this scene was the jaws. But

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this part when the dinosaur stretched his mouth and you
saw those muscles expand you knew that they weren't just
expanding because there was extra skin. They were expanding because
that animal was telling you fuck off, because expanding those

(01:01:42):
jaws as wide as he could so that he could
express his Ah. You know, I can't do dinosaurs, but
he was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Genuinely that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
You got the entire thing in your faces, to the
point where you felt the slobb pop off of his teeth.
Oh my god, that was insane to me. If you're
not looking at his teeth and being terrified and shitting
yourself you're looking at the expansion of the jaw, because

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that thing was so realistic and it went so wide.
That was what got me about the entire scenes, like,
oh my god, that's a real dinosaur that actually really happened.
And I'll tell you this sidebar. Side note. They used
URTV buses at the time to make the dinosaur noise.

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If you have ever sat in public transportation and listened
to the noises, they used semi treks and they used
the acceleration of buses, which very much sound like the
ahhhh of a dinosaur if you hear it. The acceleration
of a bus is the same thing. And all they
did was expand that And I thought that was really
cool that they use such a basic noise for that noise.

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But yeah, very intimidating. It's very nerdy. Side note. I'm
sorry if I ruined the illusion for everybody. But this
is a terrifying combination. It's a terrifying combination, is it not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
No, it's, to quote one hundred greatest movie moments, one
of the greatest things ever. It goes, it hits the
chill factor of your DNA. It's like a wild animal.
While it's the chill factor of a wild animal, and
because it looks so effing real, like your caveman brain

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activated when you saw that ship, because it was in
the shot, it's there, and it made this unhumanly extreme
roar that shook the aisles, and it's so realistic. What
it's Stanston say, We in our studio did not create
scary dinosaurs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
We created real.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Dinosaurs, real dinosaurs.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yes, yes, And we sat down and made a real
t rex that was three million billion years whatever, and
you could cold. You couldn't convince me otherwise, nerdy side note.
You know what was scarier than the t rex was
climbing down that tree. Climbing down that big ass tree

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with the with the with the jeep in it. That
was scarier to me because I had had a fear
of heights as a kid, and I automatically thought if
I was that kid, I would have never got out
that tree. That's why I would have stayed there. I
was so scary. I was so scared of that damn tree.
And and the car was following faster, must go faster,
you know, the car is following him down and when

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they when they crash, it lads right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
On top of them. I was I was tearing up. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Uh, this is probably the top five scenes of all
time in all film if you ask me, humbly. Just
the rain, the freaking goat legs slamming on the windshield
of course, the iconic cup with the tremor of the
t Rex coming closer. Oh my goodness, it's just perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Are the consequences of the chaos there?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
And I was gonna say, this is the perfect consequence
of the chaos. Theory is that what what what will happen?
What you want, what you do not want to happen,
will happen.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Of course, if you drop your toast, it's gonna land,
you know. Butter side up, It's just these are the
things that happen. And and it just never stops. Once
the roller coaster starts, It just never stops in this film.
What are your thoughts? I'm sorry, I just who what
are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
I'll just go as far to say, like this is
where you know Malcolm Malcolm had it right, like he
wasn't sure how it wasn't gonna work, but he was
just sure it wasn't going to work. Because generally speaking,
when you hear a bad idea. As a person, you're like,

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none of that's gonna work out for you, but good
luck the question mark. Malcolm was like that, you know what.
He was a tad bit more adamant than I am
in real life. In real life, I'm like, oh, all right, well,
good luck with that. That sounds great, And you know,
I walk away thinking to myself, Oh, that's gonna go

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wrong in a million different ways. And that was this
from the moment of conception of let's have a park
filled with dinosaurs, or pardon me, let's just bring back
dinosaurs in general. Much like if you still oh, they're
just both big saber tooth tigers. You know, man, that's

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a lot of meat. That's a lot of meat. A
lot of meat, A lot of meat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Man. It's like the idea at its core is flawed,
and then you add on the attraction side, which makes
it even it takes it from being flawed dangerous, you
know what I mean. And it's like, no one decided
to think this to its logical conclusion. And I think
that was what doctor Grant's issue was. It's like, you

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guys didn't think this, so is logical conclusion the one
you're bringing dinosaurs back in an age where they're not
supposed to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
They've had their time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Dinosaurs have come and gone, and you're bringing them back
into the modern day to interact with us, who aren't
dinosaur killing creatures.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
We can't handle this, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
On top of that, you're gonna create a damn theme
park but popcorn and sprite, and you're gonna have children
be around these breakers machines.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
This you imagine you wake up tomorrow and you go
to work and they're like, oh, by the way, next weekend,
we're having dinosaur survival training. We all need you to
come in shorts and a T shirt with a couple
of gym and bring a spear with you just in case.
And you know, we're going to really get into this.

(01:07:59):
Like no, no, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
But that's what happens in Jurassic World. In Falling Kingdom.
It's like, hey, guys, guess a bit of a problem. Yeah,
there was some alasauruses found out by Canoga Park. Yeah,
they're just around. So if you're going to your car,
make sure you carry your weapon. No big deal, you
know what I mean. And it's like, this is the
future that the chaos story brought and that was the.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Consequence of just a terrible idea from ten twelve years early.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
You know what I mean, like the t Rex Jurassic
Park two, the t Rex walking down San Diego and
being a people's backyards and shit, remember when it ran
into the blockbuster in Jurassic Park two. You know what
I mean, Like chaos stery in essence, you can't get
any more, you know, like the consequences of your actions

(01:08:53):
than it eating Timmy the dog in someone's backyard, you
know what I mean, cat South the bag, you know
what I mean, the cats out the back at that point,
and like we was talking about earlier, that it's just
the opening up pandemic, up Pandora's box. You can't there's
no going back after that. The world knows you guys
are playing mad scientists and this is just the way

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it is now. And now, on top of that chaos theory,
you're adding in the chaos of people wanting more, people
wanting to see it. I want to see a dinosaur.
It killed forty five people, I still want to see
a dinosaur, you know what I mean. And companies taking advantage.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Of that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
So it's chaos and perpetuity. It's never gonna stop until
just the end of all things. That's kind of my
thoughts on just the consequences of in the movies tell
the story in a logical conclusion up until the newest
one that's coming up. It's Scartti Johansson. I think she's
playing a dueloposaurus, but we'll see. It depends on how
what the script looks like. Toots, what are your thoughts

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on the consequences of chaos theory.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
The consequence since our self asplin story, they're already there.
The chaos theory obviously didn't work. And again they didn't
go into this entire thing thinking that chaos was going
to ensue. They only went into it specifically careless in

(01:10:19):
the event that they brought their own loved ones into it.
If strangers were brought into this endeavor, it wouldn't have
been the same. It wouldn't have been the same tragedy
that it was. There would have been no movie about
twelve strangers who went into experiment and they died because

(01:10:42):
it didn't go well, that's just science. This only made
history as far as the Jurassic Park, soaka is concerned
because it was family members that were in trouble and
family members that needed to be saved, which is why
it was documented in the first place, the only reason
why it was stocking. Again, let's go back and understand

(01:11:05):
on paper, this is only science, Isla Nebler is only science.
So the chaos theory failed at the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
End of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:11:14):
If you want a short answer for me long it failed.
The chaos theory is a failure, and the only reason
why it's being documented, as I said, is because family
was involved. John Hammond specifically his family was involved. He
was so confident in his project, mind you, innocently enough,

(01:11:35):
but very confident in his project enough to understand that, hey, yeah,
they're gonna be fine. Let me bring my beautiful grandkids
into this aspect, and all hell brokeers right to the
point where people die. People died, people died, arms, limbs
were found. Like the movie documented all of this right,

(01:11:57):
Movie one documented all of this, movie too documented, Uh
the idea that Ian Malcolm almost lost his daughter in
the second one. So like this, this entire thing is.
This chaos theory idea is failure after failure after failure.
Let's throw the kitchen sink at science and see what happens.

(01:12:19):
Because dinosaur DNA it never works out, So that never happens.
It never happens in a successful way as of yet.
Let's include a New World or you know, Jurassic World
or whatever it's called, doesn't happen and the island changes
for crying out loud, and we're not talking about those islands.

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But the chaos theory itself does not work. It'll never work.
It's not going to happen. We're making fetch happen and
it's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Thank you, doctor wu. ISLA New Blar was a complete disaster.
Science it though, you know what, you got a point
Jurassic part two, Yeah, a t Rex eight, a human
being on main Street in San Diego. More science though,
When when you make a point and it's more science,

(01:13:13):
it Draassic World. This is a this is an this
is a perfect, perfect situation. The dominis rex was a
horrible idea. We didn't science it enough. Oh, we didn't
science it enough. Okay, make it smaller though, no, it's
more deadly now. Its smaller equals more deadly. It's just

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they never will they will never learn and isla New
Blar is really just the beginning of just a never
ending cycle of hubris. It's like, just stop, can we
just stop making dinosaurs? You know, well late now they're breeding.
That's one thing about ISLA New Blar. It's like when
they left it alone and it was like, oh yeah,

(01:13:54):
you know the lycene contingency. They kept staying talking about
the lycene contingency. They're all female.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
They're just gonna die off. They're just just let it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
This is this is the contingency we put in place
so that dinosaurs won't just leave and swim away and
cause troubled. But no, nature found a way because you
mixed it with amphibi and DNA. The dinosaurs when they
needed to turn mail they turn. Isn't that crazy? You
didn't think about that, doctor, didn't you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
You know what I mean? Now we got dinosaur you
see hear that, hear that ad bears bears.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Now we got damn things floating around and there's nothing
any of us can do about it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
But it's we've hit that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
If we hit that, time, ladies and gents, it's time
for the low rankings too. This is our mathematician, so
she will tally up our scores because I can't, because
I can't do it. But I don't have a I
don't have a math a brain. I don't have a
math for brain.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
That's what I wanted to say. So I'll just go first.
I'll go first.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Mind you were we're ranking of the lore of the island,
everything that happened, all the events that happened, uh, the
genesis of the Jurassic Park universe. And after talking about
it and thinking about it, from zero out of four
dinosaur eggs are are?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I would give it five five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Sorry, sorry, it's been a long day, ladies and gents,
zero out of five. Thank you watch for being uh,
for for being my rock. You know what I mean,
you from the bottom of your system. It's not mine,
it's all none.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
Of this damn all right? How many dinosaur I don't know?
I'm old and tired.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Uh oh, I'm so burked out. I apologize, nerd a
verse Uh five five five. I will give this island
of four out of five. I only and reason I
knock it off a score because so much happened elsewhere.
To Tout's point, she kind of really brought that home
with me, like, yeah, it's Lesorna was a problem, you know,

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you know what I mean, everyone else was a problem
and it just all went haywire after falling Kingdom. So,
but it's the new Blar is the is the ground zero.
If that's not hope, that's not too insensitive. It is
the testing bed. It is where it is where dinosaurs
ruled the earth, you know what I mean. This was
the It was so important to the lore. They came

(01:16:35):
back and built Jurassic World on it, you know what
I mean, and created a whole nother you know, creation
of lore. Can't spoil what happens to the island at
the end of the day, because I don't want to
spoil Brian or Washing. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
I had no interest in Dominion until left Iron Back. Now, okay,
it makes some sense, but look, as you know, a
film every six years, you're like, what the hell am
I watch it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Sadly, that's what Jurassic Park is devolved to, right, It's
just like, I don't want to see these movies anymore.
But at the end of the day, Jurassic Park one,
it's the New Blar, holds a special place in my heart.
It will always it just transformative film I'm giving it
a four out of five. That's what that's where I'm sticking.

(01:17:24):
It's super important to the lore. I believe it's where
everything went down. There's tons of history, tons of tons
of experiences that happened there, and it's unforgettable. Jurassic Park
doesn't happen without this experiment. It doesn't happen without this
experience that happened. If everything went off without a hitch,
it's a new blar would still be important to the

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lore because that's where Jassic Park is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
You know what I mean. You can't work around it.
It's an it is inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Next next, next, Lonk.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
Sorry, yes, I'm going to go with it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Out of five.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
I am in agreement generally with these lures. I like
to have something that's a tad bit more textile than
just say an island, because Tuty makes a valid point
that you know, their sight bees it's could have happened
anywhere a bunch of different islands. Yes, that being said,
they kept coming back to this island and even now

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like like we's, I don't know in the lore does
this island still exist? There is that that uh spoiler
for dominion. So this island is still around, and we
can probably assume that there's probably still a dinosaur roman around,
which is bad news for anyone who goes to this island.

(01:18:46):
So I'm going with four out of five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Okay, I'm actually going to disagree with both of my
cohorts respectfully. I'm going with a two. To be honest,
I don't think Isla New Bar has much to do
with the lore. They can easily have done any of

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this on any island, and I don't think the island
specifically has anything to do with the fact that this
science evolved the way it did. That being said, we
have seen that they've used this on other islands and
it felt it felt just the same on Isla New Bar,
So there's no real argument there. But yeah, I'm going

(01:19:34):
to go ahead and say too. So, yeah, it's a
different ranking for me because I'm so actually very much
involved with equating the lore to what we're actually talking about.
But in this instance, because it's science, I do not
think the island has very much to do with the
lord itself.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
So fair enough, and with the averages, whereas that put
us for the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
That leaves us with four, four and eight. That leaves
us with a ten, so it leaves us with an
average of three point five or three point four to
be honest. So uh, the between a one and five ranking,
it'd be a three three, So it's still in the
middle of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
Number, you know what I mean, definitely respectable number there
for a Jurassic Park, Jassic Park itself. But as we learn,
Jurassic Park is not just this island. It's everything Jurassic
Park is in all of our spirits. That was one
hell of an episode. I think this was a good

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deep dive into crazy. Yeah, this was a great episode.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Great. We all kind of just lost it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
It got a little crazy, didn't it Any last thoughts
on this is our Jurassic What are your last thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Low Key? Lost World maybe better than Jurassic Park. You
shut your mouth. I said it up. I said it blasphema.
I can't with that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
I don't disagree, but I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
At the same time, say it like a more classic movie.
I just said, Avie Like, don't get me wrong, I'm
not I'm not out here shaping the Jurassic Park. I
got the memories, I got the fields. I love the movie.
But when you watch Lost World, you're like, you know this,
this is a little better. There's more people like anyway,

(01:21:44):
this is not a review. The final thought, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Sorry, my feathers now, maybe better They did have h
you know, a gymnastic scene where she dropped kicked the raptor.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Can't you can't beat that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
So Ian Malcolm's daughter did that sick move on that
raptor kicked the grown ass raptor out of a damn
three story building.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
I mean, that's totally because Jeff gold Blue Man and
Lost the World. Like, Jeff Goldbloom's awesome in this, you
know what I mean, And he is the lead, so
it's like it's kind of a cooler movie, even the
first one, just because it's freaking Jeff Goldbloom like doing
his thing, like you all right, I'm done now, I'm

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really done.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
These are these are hot takes coming from wash ballid
to valid Fine, I'm not going to fight you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
What are your thoughts? Final thoughts too?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Oh no, I I I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
I didn't really agree with you guys. To be honest,
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. I'm just saying,
like I think scientifically, I don't think the island was necessary.
So that's my final thought.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Your point is one hundred a valid and it's just
looking at it from different angles. And that's one good
thing about having a panel. Well, now you just ruined it.
Now you're just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
You see.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
How you're just flat wrong and you're and you're the judge,
you're Simon cow and now little was his name?

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
No, this is a great episode.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
This is why we do MLT and laws. Now we
finally kind of have a good idea where Jurassic Park
stands in the nerd verse. Any last thoughts before we
close this bad boy app You guys are just Mom's
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Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Out