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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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But welcome to the Masters of the Nerdiverse. Welcome back
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to the Masters of the nerd Verse, where we always
have such sights to show you. I'm, of course your
hosts the bike g it back with me is mltm
Alum and our resident keeper of the Jedi Code and
Librarian of the Jedi Text, Brian himself.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
He's back, yo, yo, what up? It's good to be back.
It's bit a minute and it is just great to
see it and great to be back. So thank you
very much for having me here for this conversation that
you wanted to have.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Absolutely and let's set the record straight right now, because
this is going on YouTube and everyone's in every Star Wars,
Super Turbo Labyrinth is going to see this and probably
pick apart every wrong thing we say. And that's okay.
This is a conversation, not an evaluation, and I just
want to make sure that that's clear. And if we
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miss any interesting things, are you have any fun little
tidbits you love to leave in the chat, please do.
This is a conversation, so we want to have it
amongst ourselves and also amongst the nerd of Verse. That
being said, this is a brand new segment for Matches
of the Nerdi Verse, something me and Brian have been
talking about for a couple of weeks now, and lore
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we're gonna pick out particular I would say, artifacts of
power within the Nerdi Verse, like anything from uh Lupsky
Walker's lightsaber, to the Belts of Dolamite, the Belt of
FOODI Tank, you know what I mean. We're gonna talk
about it all.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There you go, everything in the middle. I mean, those
are two drastic separation. So that's cool. Bring me on
for the Masters of the Universe.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, of course we're gonna have to go over like
he Man's sword and you know what I'm saying, and yeah,
you know Cerebro from the X Men. We could talk
about all of it if and we're gonna and what's
cool about it is we're gonna have a ranking at
the end of this. We're gonna rank it how powerful
it is within the lore in the Nerdi verse. So
I could s ranking to f ranking.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, I gotta tell you, you picked one man because not
only is it rare in the universe, you know, it's
it's stupid powerful or it can be.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I love it. And with that, we're going to bring
in our topic for today, which is in the in
the universe of Star Wars, which is a Sith holochron.
These things, man, I've been obsessed with the other I
learned about them. I want do you let's talk about it?
(03:37):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Uh So?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
For those who don't know, because this is something that's
not very heavy in the movies, it's not very heavy
and overall pop culture, you know, but you know, the
Star Wars head snow so what exactly is a sith holocron.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, a sith halocron is a or can be a
wealth of now that has been passed down from someone
who was very powerful, or someone who claimed power and
learned the ways to make it, or you know, it
could just be a random trinket if you don't know
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what you're doing with it, it could just be a mantlepiece.
But as we've learned in the Star Wars universe, and
you know, one of the reasons I say you picked
an interesting topic is because when you talk canon, we
haven't seen a lot of it. We've seen some very
(04:39):
specific episodes, but it is more deeply rooted in the
Legends arena. And so you know, as we're building out
this Star Wars universe, I'm actually, did we see what
in acol Like, did they talk about what? I don't
think so would. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So I was thinking of how many live action do
we have? Any live action interpretation of a holocron? And
it's only once actually, and I just learned this yesterday
doing my research. It's that it's in the back. It's
in the It's like a trinket in the back of
a and or episode. It's in the back you see,
like a little sith holochron deactivated.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And in the dude shop. Yes, there there is back there.
Now that you mentioned it, I had not remembered that
until you said it, so, uh, yeah, it is very
rare in the in live action, we mostly saw it
and heard about it. I believe it's season three of
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Rebels with a mall and Ezra and Thus and Bendu,
who happens to be the original creator of it, which
I did not know, Like, well, deep Ben do not
have bid do WESO?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I guess that right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So when you talk about a seth Halichron, essentially what
you're looking at is finding a book which is magically
sealed and only those with the power of the syth
can open it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's interesting. It's interesting because it reminds me of almost
like the Lament configuration right from Hell Raiser. If you
don't know what it is, it's just a trinket. It's
just a toy. But if you know of it, you
know what it's purpose, and you have the particular desire
and power to open it, you'll learn its secrets, good,
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bad or ugly, you know what I mean. And I
think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and much like it, learning the secrets of the
dark Side often brings terrible, terrible consequences that hopefully you
can handle.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
If you're a Sith, you worry about that later. You know,
you don't worry about that now, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean, if you're a Sith, you're looking forward to
the challenge to prove yourself that you know, I am
the strongest.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
One hundred percent and speaking of like the strongest in
Sith ties. And you know they're holocrons in the Star
Wars universe. That are Jedi holocrons as well, but holocrons,
and it's importance to the law I find more interesting
because they almost take on it completely different I would say,
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behavior than a standard holocron or a Jedi holocron. So
now I'd like to talk about their importance to the
low like it's because they're so behind the scenes, you
would think the importance was low, but no, like behind
every good Sith is a Sith holocron apparently, right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, if you're talking about the entirety of Star
Wars being all media platforms are all transferring different types
of mediums, you're talking that we don't get to the
the the rule of two. If Bain does not come
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across Revens Halocron, and I'm like, so what are we
talking about? Yeah, sith Holocron. So yeah, so we don't
even get that. We don't get here, we don't get
the palpaty an invader if that doesn't happen in the
entirety of it. So it's importance.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's up there one hundred and you know, even across
the Old Republic and even the New republic sif Holocross
have shaped wars and have shaped Jedi, you know that
because they're so powerful and their influence is so strong,
they they've actually, i would say, enslaved weaker Jedi to
the dark side of the forest and enticed them just
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in their nature, you know what I mean. So a
lot of things don't happen without them.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like you said, there's actually a story. Dang it. I
had thought about it till you just mentioned it. There's
actually a story. I want to say, Luke and Lando
the most recent book. Sorry, I don't have that reference,
but I'm sure I'll get it the mike and they'll
put it in the in the notes below. But essentially
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what ends up happening is there's a expedition of archaeologists
and there's this one kid and he's like, I'm gonna
go off over here, and so he walks into this
cave and he comes across the holocron and he's like, oh,
what's this and essentially the holochron just possesses him. You're
mine now, and so the kid starts acting all whack
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and Luke happens to be there, and Luke's like, well,
this is weird, and then all of a sudden, you know,
the story proceeds. But just the wrong person coming across
a SIF holocron can be bad, unlike what we see
with Jedi holocrons or good holocrons, where you know you're
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not gonna stumble the pun being possessed if you pick
one up.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
One hundred percent, And that's a good segue into just
the overall creation of a holo chron is drastically different
than a Jedi holochron in regards to what needs to
be done and the steps that need to be taken
to essentially embody the spirit of a sith lord, and
not even just a standard shith or, but a highly
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powerful Darth Bane level sith Lord has to channel there
pretty much download their brain into this thing so that
they can partake in the secrets of the Syth. And
it's like, yes, it's a ristedastone, but it's a resetta
stone that talks to you. It's a resetted stone that
whispers sweet nothings into your ear and begins the corruption.
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And I think it's super fascinating just how these things
are made. And it's like, yeah, this is no small feet.
You need like the most rare metals and things of
the galaxy, and you need this, and you need that,
and you need to create a horcrux of your soul
pretty much to get this thing locked in. Not a
lot of people did it, but those who did were
able to pretty much technically quote unquote or forever.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I would think, right, well, it depends on the knowledge
that they find, so essentially they are a guide. They
come with a guide. So I also hadn't thought about
this still right now, but you look at rebels that
seth Holocrome that ez Are in Ball that should have
technically had a guide and it had, you know, in essence,
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but we never saw the figure. So when Bain is
going through his explanation of or explore exploration of trying
to learn how to make one of these. You know,
he's watching his guide and he's like, oh okay, and
he's putting together and so essentially when he creates his
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own you know that that comes with the image of
Darth Bain and so they're talking to you, so, uh,
the the essence of making one is is insanely difficult.
Baine was in meditation for days on in at the
peak of his power, and just the simplest mistake over
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the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, what do you what do you like? But it's
but is it worth it? Yes, because it shapes galaxies,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, you get to take your knowledge and you know,
put it into into the storage device. And that's one
of the things I found fascinating about it that they
didn't get into, at least in the legends end of
it that I'm aware of. It is the storage capacity.
You're literally talking like, all right, so everything I know
is going to go into this thing, which also as
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a sith it's like, well rule of two, man, why
are you creating this when you have Zenna? But different
story for a different different company.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
B is like what I like to call it play
b And it's not only their knowledge, right, it's their
it's their dark side essence. It's also imbued in this
thing because like you were mentioning, like that kid who
happened upon it and just got possessed in two seconds.
This these things are so powerful that they emit a
dark side almost miasma in their in their sphere of influence,
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enough to make Jedi sick, enough to kill plants. They're
just they're just bad news. But if you're a Sith person,
they're the best thing you can find. It's like finding
it's like finding gold. It's it's literally the best thing
you could use if you're a Sith at jacent.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And that's That's one of the stories or I think
that Star Wars could dwove into, is how after the
Jedi Sith War, like how the Jedi cleaned up much
like how Palpatine cleaned up all essence of Jedi. How
the Jedi went and took all of these halocurns and
they're like, yeah, Dirk, sod, we're getting rid of that.
(13:58):
So we did see the open side of that, and
essentially Order sixty six, which is one of the most
tragic things ever, but well not ever cut that out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, that's it is the most it's the most trash.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Trail on a different level.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Bro, Yeah, it's trauma. Like everything Past Order sixty six
is just dealing with post traumatic stress, you know, And
every single story is just that until it stops being
a conversation. And that's more towards the original trilogy, but everything,
if you look at any story, even Ahsoka, even Boba Fet,
it's all dealing with the aftermath of that horrid night,
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you know what I mean. And Dark Plague is going
around and clean Dark City is rather going around and
cleaning up all of the Jedi ar taking over Jedi
archives and retrofitting them to be Sith bases. It's kind
of it's dirty work, man, it's you know what I mean.
But that's what you do when you win, right, That's
why you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Got Vader, and Vader's got his people, so go go
deal with that, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Speaking of that, we've been talking about it a bit,
but I didn't want to take a moment to focus
on the dark Side influence, and one of the things
that in our discussions you wanted to really talk about
was the consequences of that influence, you know, just not
just all, not just pretty much. It as a tool,
but it as almost like a almost like a career
path almost just like you get a uniate every little
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bit that comes with playing with these things. And I'm
surprised Ezra was strong enough to resist it. I'm not
very familiar with rebels. And I'll lean on you for
more than that. But how does how strong in the
light side of the forest do you need to be
to not be seduced by a Holly?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, this actually goes back to one of our questions
earlier when Ahsoka had just ended, and you're like, is
that the very evil? And you're going, well, I mean
maybe because you look back on this this photo right here,
and there's a moment when Canaan looks at Ahsoka as
(16:05):
he's like, here, I got this with Halicron, and he
just shakes his head. He's like, yeah, don't tell him
exactly what that is, because like, how are you even
dealing with this in the first place? Yeah, so, you know,
and then for him and Baul to get connected to
it and then share information, you know, you have me
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wondering post Ahsoka, well, did something touch Ezra?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
We haven't went there, and that's in the future. But
when you talk about its influence, my knowledge leads me
to that question of, yeah, something could have absolutely touched Ezra,
whatever voice that was that Ezra was listening to, because
I do not believe that was made clear when she
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it was a she was giving him the power to
send the walker off the the edge of the cliff.
And Sabine's like, Kana didn't teach.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You that, and he's like, no, sus, sus, alert you
know what I mean, And it's, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, so when you look at just even that little
bit of learning, you have to assume he's in some
way been touched. And you know, Luke kind of went
through this same thing when he was messing with the
dark Side, and it's like he got a little touched.
So what essentially that evolves into, we don't know, but
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you get touched and not completely devolve in the dark side,
you got to be pretty dang strong man.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And you know what, and you know what they say,
like every true test of a Jedi is to an
almost in tune with their dark side, because everyone has
a dark side, but you know, you have to face
your dark side, sort of speak like Luke in the Cave, right,
and you have to kind of face that. And maybe
era that was part of him facing his dark side
of the Force was in tuning with this device that's
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giving him untold secrets of the Force, and like you said,
maybe a little bit of that dripped into him and
gave him a bit of a little bit of a
power boost. Is maybe you know, it's like that was
my quote because he was acting super strange in a soca,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But when you said it, I was like, well, I mean,
if you wanted to have room for it, you could
probably make some room for it, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And one thing, and we're going to go into it
with our next segment, I believe in regards to influence,
I just think it's super fascinating how even the most
pious Jedi could be influenced by this thing and not
even know it that, you know what I mean. And
that's kind of going to go into our next topic,
which is kind of like and actually it's the next
topic after, so I'll save it. But I wanted to
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kind of really go into the secrets of the Syth
and how powerful. The things are just in regards to
the transference of information, not just by picking up a
book and reading it, but literally it downloading into your
mind and kind of just giving you automatic io kung
fu type secrets that like Ezra just can utilize. Yeah,
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they just he just utilized it without much training. He
didn't have to practice it. He just kind of just
did it. That's creepy. I think that you can just
access this knowledge and just be like darth Plagus was
just like okay, I mean dartha I always mixed up
Plagas in Citi No. I was right Plagus when he
was kind of trying to build his own he was
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learning from other Siths to kind of figure it out,
you know what I mean. Just automatic download of information
is quite interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And you know, I mean, you know that's kind of
the benefit of being the most powerful is you got
all the secrets. And when you talk about specific secrets
that were found, well, h I mean, the rule of
two was one because it was a powerful secret in
the fact that at that time in legends, the Sith
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had evolved into pretty much just a Jedi order only
made up of Sith.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
They had a bunch of rules and by laws and
people in charge, and they talked about a lot of stuff.
It made was like, yo, I don't this isn't what
the man said. And so he took it upon himself
when he started looking around and going, well, this isn't.
This isn't cohesive to power, right, And thus he gained
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power by following that original blueprint that was laid out
for him. So he also was able to find magic
that he wasn't able to use, but Xana was able
to use. And this Jack like jumped off the page
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like it made you who's the dude from Batman? It
makes them They see the horrors and whatnotes scarecrow? Yes, yes,
it's scarecrows them And Main's like, yeah, here's some knowledge.
I can't use it, but I saw it. I think
you can use it. She's like all right, she's straight
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up rectum and yeah, man, that's the.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Power interesting, you know what I mean? Just I can't
use it, but I can teach others to use it.
It's almost just as daily as him using it, right,
because that's his apprentice, that's his that's his underling, and
he knows.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What's coming, you know. What I mean, they didn't discuss
it at least I haven't read that third book yet
where it concludes, so they may discuss it, but he
would have to have protected himself from it, and I'm
sure that in the Halochron itself they would have explained that.
I mean again, I want one, where where can I
find one?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Now? With hall chrons? Are they accepting to are they
accepting to be dominated by a Sith presence? Are they
just as vitriolic to Sith as they are the Jedi?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Straight up? Yeah? Straight up rage and hate and anger,
those things.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's almost kind of like you have to tame it, right,
You kind of have to tame those things.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And those that don't have necessarily essences, they have traps.
Like when Bain got the orbitalist stuck to him, you know,
He's like, oh, I want this helicron, so he re
just threw grabs it. Orbitliss is like, oh, I'm just
going to live on you now, And yeah, it made
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him more powerful and he got that Holocron and all
that knowledge, but he was literally in pain twenty four
to seven because it was feeding off of him.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Symbiotic relationship and Bain's stuck process was Yeah, well the
knowledge is worth it, so his face hugger rules then,
like you know, And that's one of.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The reasons I'm a big fan of both Bain and
plagueas is because they were such book words. They were
the dudes who were straight up like, let me go
find the Halochron. I think seeing Palpatine's relationship with them
would be super interesting too, because Palpatine he wasn't necessarily
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in the book power. He was into militaristic power.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Different things, so it's like which ones were important to
you and let's hear some of those stories.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, it's very interesting that you mentioned the different like
the different pursuits of power, the different ambitions, like I
want to learn every single thing about the Sith and
how they operate. I just want to rule the galaxy
with an iron fist and a holochron be the solution
for one of the other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You find the right one absolutely, and what's the right run.
The Siths organization at the time did not even know
howl Acron's recruising around, and they thought the Jedi just
cleaned them all up. It was literally Bain's determination to go.
There has to be more knowledge out there, and you
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know I can appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Interesting. Interesting. I want to talk about this for a second,
and this is just we've been talking about Darth Baine,
and we've been talking about Darth Sidius and Darth Plagis
as users. But I want to talk about the users
of the Holocron, like specific lore adjacent people who have
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been touched by Holocrons canonically. And one of my favorite
stories is of a character and Knights of the Overpublic too,
which is I believe her name was. I was just
reading about her earlier day. It's going to kill me
me two seconds. I have to find her name. She
was a I was just looking her up. She was
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a sith uh No, she was a Jedi librarian, she
was a Jedi historian. One second, I'm just gonna pull
up her name. Who's might I pulled this up? What's
some of your favorite outside of the ones we spoke of,
anybody else that comes to mind in regards to like
this users of Holochron.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Honestly, I am a big Bendu fan and Bindu. When
when Canaan gave Bindu the Holochron, Ben Dude looked at
it and he's like, what's this And Cainan's like, it's
very dangerous, and Bendu just laughs. He's like, yeah, okay,
if you say so. And so for me, it's you
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talk about the people who could rule the Holochron, but
what type of being are you to be able to
mess with the Halochron? Both light and dark? And the
simply laugh it off and yeah, the knowledge this is
in knowledge? Oh what you got sight?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, And I think I was able to find the
person I was looking for. And Bendu's are awesome. Bendu's
definitely off an awesome example, But the one that I
was just enamored by was Atrus from Knights of the
O Republics. Yeah. Atreus was a Jedi historian during the
times of the Battle of x Sarcoon and the Mandalorian Wars,
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where she was highly pious in the way of the Jedi,
burying her burying herself in the Jedi text of vote
and feeling like the Jedi of now were just kind
of a bit more laxical. They're a bit you know,
lazy in the Jedi. They should be more strict, right,
you know. So during that time, the Jedi Council had
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decided that, you know, we're not going to interfere with
the Jedi civil war, We're not going to interfere with
the Mandalorian war. And she saw everybody kind of go
to battle, including Revin and Malik, and her decision was,
It's like, Okay, the way I'm going to help with
this is actually tell the courtinet's of a Jedi base
to the syth to wipe out those Jedi so that
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I can create my own Jedi order the way I
think it should be ran And she was after that,
she gathered many Holocrons because she felt, I'm so light side,
I'm so powerful that I can just deal with these
and learn from them too. I'm going to be at
a Storian across the board. And she didn't realize after
years and years that she was incorrupted, just as anybody
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else would, but because she was so blind and so
almost sure of herself, she was being manipulated the whole
time by these Holocrons who are having her do sith
like things under the gaze of Jedi, you know, of
Jedi expectations. And it didn't take until Treya, you know,
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Kreya Darth Treya, to say, nah, man, you're totally sifted out.
You need to come to that realization, like, no, you
don't see what you're doing. Do you hear what they're
telling you? Literally, this woman sits in a room field
with holocrons, like dozens of them, and they're all whispering
to her at the same time like she's terrible corrupted,
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but she just can't see it because she's so pious,
because she believes she's so right. I'm so right. I've
never been wrong ever, And it didn't take it took
a sifth Lord to call out a sith Lord.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And essentially, you know, one of those holocrons is like, yeah,
I'm always right, and they have you know, seeped in
and thus like the power when you look at the
Jedi Temple and why only masters were able to walk
into the deepest, darkest four forges of the Jedi archives
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is because all that power was hanging out. And we
have to ask ourselves who has touched these things. We
know Lucas had a little bit of experience. We know
Ezras had a little bit of experience. You know, has
a thron come across the Halothron holocron? You know what
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I mean, and thus how much of this knowledge and
power is still being seeped out? And considering we get
almost no Palpatine type of holochron real stories. We don't know.
(29:34):
We don't know what they found, We don't know what
they did with them, you know what I mean. We
know Lucas found some stuff, but we don't know. And thus,
you know, people could be using the halochron.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Now that's what I was gonna say, Like, I think
it would be interesting in the time between let's say
a Force awakens and return of the Jedi. What was
Palpatine doing that whole time trying to make his own holochron?
You know why not? It just it would make sense
that he a keeper of holocrons, he collected them himself.
Why would he try to make his own holocron in
(30:07):
the in the situation that he may die so that
the dark side of the forest can live on, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, and essentially he was planning to live on, So
maybe he did not, you know what I mean. But
at the same time, Playgus was obsessed with information hit
quote unquote his master and no legends, don't beat me
up in the Cabins quotes, I get it. I'm going
to live with what we saw in actte just string
(30:36):
it together until someone tells me differently or correct.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Right there you go, Right man, It's interesting, Like these
things are just so the curiosity is just so fascinating.
I just love the idea of these ticking time bombs,
Like you were saying, who's touched them? How much influence
has there been? Could Ben could Luke's attack on Ben
(31:02):
Kenobi in the last Jedi Ben Holocron influenced Could that
have seeped into his mind? You know what I mean, nobody,
Where does idea come in the first place? You know, like,
are these Jedi ticking time bombs of Sith loyalty?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In fact, the more we talk about it, the more
I think how little they told us about the halocron,
because Vader was after that halochron in Rebels, which leads
to you know, the famous I Am no Jedi between
him and Ahsoka. Yes, Ezra gets that halochron, but we
(31:37):
literally only know that halocron is really powerful and it
can power a battle station. That's and now that I think.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About it, it did explode. I guess between when him
and mal Had we're having their interactions it may have
explode in it, but after that there was no mention
of it, so it could possibly be around because I
think they were fairly hard to destroy its, like you
(32:09):
could just I'm going to break this and it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You're not going to break it with the force. Just
thing is, they're damn near indestructible, you know. Yeah, yeah,
So if everything we've discussed this, now come the time
to power rank this thing. And from our conversation from
the power will, it's both physically and mentally, I'm curious,
(32:34):
what is your ranking from S to F S tier
as being the absolute tipity top reality warping device to
F tier being being a food sparking knife set from
a poil loco? What is this thing.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
In in all of war.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And in all of all of deep of War and
in the nerdiverse, not just than Star Wars, but in
all of pop culture.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm going to have to give it and what what's
the third tier?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, let's say no, it's let's go. S tier is
like Infinity Gauntlet almost like you know, reality warping, universe
destroying entity. And let's say A tier is like so
it's a A, B, C, D E F a B
C at the s at the top confused me. It's like, God, tier,
(33:36):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I am going to give the sith halocron a straight
up C plus C plus. The reason being is because
not all sith Holocrons are e. You got one that
can run a battle station, You've got one talking about
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a planet, and you know that Sith's life where he
didn't do too much, you know what I mean. So
also the fact, well, you know what, I'm gonna up
it to a B minus because it can seep. It
can seep. So if you are the unlucky soul that
comes walking up on a Sith hologrin and it decides
(34:22):
to grab you, it's much like that Poltergeist movement where
you're like, I don't want this anymore, and it's like
I'm not going away.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm not going anywhere. That's where I'm at. I'm like,
I understand that not all sith holocons are created equal,
but it really is a crap shoot on what you
come across you, Like you said, you can come across
one where it was just some Sith nerd who really
loved listening to music, and that's what his sith or
it's powering you up to become a galaxy threat. You know,
(34:54):
you just don't know what you're good to get. So
I would have given it like a beat, like an
A and just our influenced you gave it a B minus.
Would you meet me in the middle and say, this
is a solid B A bery.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I can I can move up to a bee simply
because there's a lack of usage within Star Wars that
we've seen and heard about. We get glimpses but not
a full package. So yeah, I'll give it a bee
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out and we can move up.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
To a bee one hundred. You heard it here first, folks,
we're gonna have a lot of lower episodes and we're
gonna have a season of twelve. At the end of
the day, we're gonna rank them all. We're gonna do
a shuffling of all twelve items of power that we
discuss in speaking of that as settling and setting with
a bee for the sith Holocrons. So what I'm going
(35:52):
to do for b for sif Holochron, I'm with that.
I'm with that. We're gonna run a poll. We're gonna
pick four objects of power, and I'm a can you
the Nerdi verse to choose which one you want us
to do next, and depending on the results of that poll,
that's the next lower item that we're going to discuss
and then rank amongst against the holocron. They see you
(36:13):
where at falls on these powts here ranking. We're gonna
continue to collect these until we collect all the gems
at the Infinity Stone, snap our fingers and MLT and
would have taken the taken over the galaxy.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean, anything that's gonna rank above a B is
something I want to get out of my chair and
go get now if it was made available to me,
you know what I mean. And it's like if you
told me there was a seth alan crime down the street.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna go, yeah, go hundred, Please take a shot.
You know. It's like, you know, Astuary lads in your backyard,
You're not gonna go poke it. You don't know, you know,
it could be the blob, it could be a green
lantern ring. You just don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Next thing, you know, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You ever seen slool? Have you ever seen slither? You
go poe? Next next thing, you know, you become a
gelatinous blob of death. And destruction, or or you find
a guy ver and become a fighting hension. A go
go man, you know what I mean, our lady, So
so you go for it right.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Absolutely, man what I go for it? Whatever jumps in
front of you. If it's B level, if you got
to work for it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
If you're a d F, then there's gonna be some
c d F things. We're not going to keep it
all god t here. Like I said, we're gonna you know,
the Belta pooti tang may be a topic if you
choose it, because that's a pretty enchanted object. If you
ask me, that's funny. Brian, Where can we find you?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You can find me at Brian J. Wash And you
can also find me on eBay at wash his shop
or Rebels Collectibles Archive.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And thank you for having me get stuff from Brian.
You may look up one day he may have a
used sith holocrod for sale. If it was about arts
and crafts, he didn't need it, so.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That you have Yes, yeah, it will not be a
B level.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It's gonna be Yeah, it's gonna be like getting you know,
like those uh you know, it's like getting trading cards
they're not all gonna be Jordan's rookie cards. It's gonna
be something. So it's gonna be a seat here, Hollow
Crowdy finds the one on the one on pottery. You
know what I yah, Sith pottery, Sith pottery. You know
what we used to eat out of these bulls, The
(38:40):
Dark side of the spoon, The Dark Side of the Spoon. Brian,
it's been amazing having you on. There's gonna be many
more episodes with you. Like I said, you've been here
for You've been here in this nerdive Verse since since
my body. It's inception, and you've been a genuine delight.
So it's good to talk with you. It's good to
fellowship with you and to me any more.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Right, Hey, thanks for having me and bring me in anytime.
I always love to talk a little star Wars and
a little nerd Verse.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Speak, got it? Thank you so much, nerd of Verse.
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Speaker 2 (01:15):
He's back, yo, yo, what up? It's good to be back.
It's bit a minute and it is just great to
see it and great to be back. So thank you
very much for having me here for this conversation that
you wanted to have.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Absolutely and let's set the record straight right now, because
this is going on YouTube and everyone's in every Star Wars,
Super Turbo Labyrinth is going to see this and probably
pick apart every wrong thing we say. And that's okay.
This is a conversation, not an evaluation, and I just
want to make sure that that's clear. And if we
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miss any interesting things, are you have any fun little
tidbits you love to leave in the chat, please do.
This is a conversation, so we want to have it
amongst ourselves and also amongst the nerd of Verse. That
being said, this is a brand new segment for Matches
of the Nerdi Verse, something me and Brian have been
talking about for a couple of weeks now, and lore
(02:14):
we're gonna pick out particular I would say, artifacts of
power within the Nerdi Verse, like anything from uh Lupsky
Walker's lightsaber, to the Belts of Dolamite, the Belt of
FOODI Tank, you know what I mean. We're gonna talk
about it all.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
There you go, everything in the middle. I mean, those
are two drastic separation. So that's cool. Bring me on
for the Masters of the Universe.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, of course we're gonna have to go over like
he Man's sword and you know what I'm saying, and yeah,
you know Cerebro from the X Men. We could talk
about all of it if and we're gonna and what's
cool about it is we're gonna have a ranking at
the end of this. We're gonna rank it how powerful
it is within the lore in the Nerdi verse. So
I could s ranking to f ranking.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Well, I gotta tell you, you picked one man because not
only is it rare in the universe, you know, it's
it's stupid powerful or it can be.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I love it. And with that, we're going to bring
in our topic for today, which is in the in
the universe of Star Wars, which is a Sith holochron.
These things, man, I've been obsessed with the other I
learned about them. I want do you let's talk about it?
(03:37):
Do you?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Uh So?
Speaker 1 (03:39):
For those who don't know, because this is something that's
not very heavy in the movies, it's not very heavy
and overall pop culture, you know, but you know, the
Star Wars head snow so what exactly is a sith holocron.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, a sith halocron is a or can be a
wealth of now that has been passed down from someone
who was very powerful, or someone who claimed power and
learned the ways to make it, or you know, it
could just be a random trinket if you don't know
(04:16):
what you're doing with it, it could just be a mantlepiece.
But as we've learned in the Star Wars universe, and
you know, one of the reasons I say you picked
an interesting topic is because when you talk canon, we
haven't seen a lot of it. We've seen some very
(04:39):
specific episodes, but it is more deeply rooted in the
Legends arena. And so you know, as we're building out
this Star Wars universe, I'm actually, did we see what
in acol Like, did they talk about what? I don't
think so would. It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
So I was thinking of how many live action do
we have? Any live action interpretation of a holocron? And
it's only once actually, and I just learned this yesterday
doing my research. It's that it's in the back. It's
in the It's like a trinket in the back of
a and or episode. It's in the back you see,
like a little sith holochron deactivated.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
And in the dude shop. Yes, there there is back there.
Now that you mentioned it, I had not remembered that
until you said it, so, uh, yeah, it is very
rare in the in live action, we mostly saw it
and heard about it. I believe it's season three of
(05:46):
Rebels with a mall and Ezra and Thus and Bendu,
who happens to be the original creator of it, which
I did not know, Like, well, deep Ben do not
have bid do WESO?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Well, I guess that right.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So when you talk about a seth Halichron, essentially what
you're looking at is finding a book which is magically
sealed and only those with the power of the syth
can open it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
It's interesting. It's interesting because it reminds me of almost
like the Lament configuration right from Hell Raiser. If you
don't know what it is, it's just a trinket. It's
just a toy. But if you know of it, you
know what it's purpose, and you have the particular desire
and power to open it, you'll learn its secrets, good,
(06:43):
bad or ugly, you know what I mean. And I
think that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, and much like it, learning the secrets of the
dark Side often brings terrible, terrible consequences that hopefully you
can handle.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
If you're a Sith, you worry about that later. You know,
you don't worry about that now, you know.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I mean, if you're a Sith, you're looking forward to
the challenge to prove yourself that you know, I am
the strongest.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
One hundred percent and speaking of like the strongest in
Sith ties. And you know they're holocrons in the Star
Wars universe. That are Jedi holocrons as well, but holocrons,
and it's importance to the law I find more interesting
because they almost take on it completely different I would say,
(07:32):
behavior than a standard holocron or a Jedi holocron. So
now I'd like to talk about their importance to the
low like it's because they're so behind the scenes, you
would think the importance was low, but no, like behind
every good Sith is a Sith holocron apparently, right.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, if you're talking about the entirety of Star
Wars being all media platforms are all transferring different types
of mediums, you're talking that we don't get to the
the the rule of two. If Bain does not come
(08:11):
across Revens Halocron, and I'm like, so what are we
talking about? Yeah, sith Holocron. So yeah, so we don't
even get that. We don't get here, we don't get
the palpaty an invader if that doesn't happen in the
entirety of it. So it's importance.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
It's up there one hundred and you know, even across
the Old Republic and even the New republic sif Holocross
have shaped wars and have shaped Jedi, you know that
because they're so powerful and their influence is so strong,
they they've actually, i would say, enslaved weaker Jedi to
the dark side of the forest and enticed them just
(08:50):
in their nature, you know what I mean. So a
lot of things don't happen without them.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like you said, there's actually a story. Dang it. I
had thought about it till you just mentioned it. There's
actually a story. I want to say, Luke and Lando
the most recent book. Sorry, I don't have that reference,
but I'm sure I'll get it the mike and they'll
put it in the in the notes below. But essentially
(09:16):
what ends up happening is there's a expedition of archaeologists
and there's this one kid and he's like, I'm gonna
go off over here, and so he walks into this
cave and he comes across the holocron and he's like, oh,
what's this and essentially the holochron just possesses him. You're
mine now, and so the kid starts acting all whack
(09:38):
and Luke happens to be there, and Luke's like, well,
this is weird, and then all of a sudden, you know,
the story proceeds. But just the wrong person coming across
a SIF holocron can be bad, unlike what we see
with Jedi holocrons or good holocrons, where you know you're
(09:59):
not gonna stumble the pun being possessed if you pick
one up.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
One hundred percent, And that's a good segue into just
the overall creation of a holo chron is drastically different
than a Jedi holochron in regards to what needs to
be done and the steps that need to be taken
to essentially embody the spirit of a sith lord, and
not even just a standard shith or, but a highly
(10:24):
powerful Darth Bane level sith Lord has to channel there
pretty much download their brain into this thing so that
they can partake in the secrets of the Syth. And
it's like, yes, it's a ristedastone, but it's a resetta
stone that talks to you. It's a resetted stone that
whispers sweet nothings into your ear and begins the corruption.
(10:46):
And I think it's super fascinating just how these things
are made. And it's like, yeah, this is no small feet.
You need like the most rare metals and things of
the galaxy, and you need this, and you need that,
and you need to create a horcrux of your soul
pretty much to get this thing locked in. Not a
lot of people did it, but those who did were
able to pretty much technically quote unquote or forever.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I would think, right, well, it depends on the knowledge
that they find, so essentially they are a guide. They
come with a guide. So I also hadn't thought about
this still right now, but you look at rebels that
seth Holocrome that ez Are in Ball that should have
technically had a guide and it had, you know, in essence,
(11:31):
but we never saw the figure. So when Bain is
going through his explanation of or explore exploration of trying
to learn how to make one of these. You know,
he's watching his guide and he's like, oh okay, and
he's putting together and so essentially when he creates his
(11:52):
own you know that that comes with the image of
Darth Bain and so they're talking to you, so, uh,
the the essence of making one is is insanely difficult.
Baine was in meditation for days on in at the
peak of his power, and just the simplest mistake over
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the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, what do you what do you like? But it's
but is it worth it? Yes, because it shapes galaxies,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Well, you get to take your knowledge and you know,
put it into into the storage device. And that's one
of the things I found fascinating about it that they
didn't get into, at least in the legends end of
it that I'm aware of. It is the storage capacity.
You're literally talking like, all right, so everything I know
is going to go into this thing, which also as
(12:47):
a sith it's like, well rule of two, man, why
are you creating this when you have Zenna? But different
story for a different different company.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
B is like what I like to call it play
b And it's not only their knowledge, right, it's their
it's their dark side essence. It's also imbued in this
thing because like you were mentioning, like that kid who
happened upon it and just got possessed in two seconds.
This these things are so powerful that they emit a
dark side almost miasma in their in their sphere of influence,
(13:23):
enough to make Jedi sick, enough to kill plants. They're
just they're just bad news. But if you're a Sith person,
they're the best thing you can find. It's like finding
it's like finding gold. It's it's literally the best thing
you could use if you're a Sith at jacent.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And that's That's one of the stories or I think
that Star Wars could dwove into, is how after the
Jedi Sith War, like how the Jedi cleaned up much
like how Palpatine cleaned up all essence of Jedi. How
the Jedi went and took all of these halocurns and
they're like, yeah, Dirk, sod, we're getting rid of that.
(13:58):
So we did see the open side of that, and
essentially Order sixty six, which is one of the most
tragic things ever, but well not ever cut that out.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, that's it is the most it's the most trash.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Trail on a different level.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Bro, Yeah, it's trauma. Like everything Past Order sixty six
is just dealing with post traumatic stress, you know, And
every single story is just that until it stops being
a conversation. And that's more towards the original trilogy, but everything,
if you look at any story, even Ahsoka, even Boba Fet,
it's all dealing with the aftermath of that horrid night,
(14:42):
you know what I mean. And Dark Plague is going
around and clean Dark City is rather going around and
cleaning up all of the Jedi ar taking over Jedi
archives and retrofitting them to be Sith bases. It's kind
of it's dirty work, man, it's you know what I mean.
But that's what you do when you win, right, That's
why you.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Got Vader, and Vader's got his people, so go go
deal with that, all right.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Speaking of that, we've been talking about it a bit,
but I didn't want to take a moment to focus
on the dark Side influence, and one of the things
that in our discussions you wanted to really talk about
was the consequences of that influence, you know, just not
just all, not just pretty much. It as a tool,
but it as almost like a almost like a career
path almost just like you get a uniate every little
(15:28):
bit that comes with playing with these things. And I'm
surprised Ezra was strong enough to resist it. I'm not
very familiar with rebels. And I'll lean on you for
more than that. But how does how strong in the
light side of the forest do you need to be
to not be seduced by a Holly?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Well, this actually goes back to one of our questions
earlier when Ahsoka had just ended, and you're like, is
that the very evil? And you're going, well, I mean
maybe because you look back on this this photo right here,
and there's a moment when Canaan looks at Ahsoka as
(16:05):
he's like, here, I got this with Halicron, and he
just shakes his head. He's like, yeah, don't tell him
exactly what that is, because like, how are you even
dealing with this in the first place? Yeah, so, you know,
and then for him and Baul to get connected to
it and then share information, you know, you have me
(16:27):
wondering post Ahsoka, well, did something touch Ezra?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
You know, we don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
We haven't went there, and that's in the future. But
when you talk about its influence, my knowledge leads me
to that question of, yeah, something could have absolutely touched Ezra,
whatever voice that was that Ezra was listening to, because
I do not believe that was made clear when she
(16:54):
it was a she was giving him the power to
send the walker off the the edge of the cliff.
And Sabine's like, Kana didn't teach.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
You that, and he's like, no, sus, sus, alert you
know what I mean, And it's, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, so when you look at just even that little
bit of learning, you have to assume he's in some
way been touched. And you know, Luke kind of went
through this same thing when he was messing with the
dark Side, and it's like he got a little touched.
So what essentially that evolves into, we don't know, but
(17:37):
you get touched and not completely devolve in the dark side,
you got to be pretty dang strong man.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
And you know what, and you know what they say,
like every true test of a Jedi is to an
almost in tune with their dark side, because everyone has
a dark side, but you know, you have to face
your dark side, sort of speak like Luke in the Cave, right,
and you have to kind of face that. And maybe
era that was part of him facing his dark side
of the Force was in tuning with this device that's
(18:06):
giving him untold secrets of the Force, and like you said,
maybe a little bit of that dripped into him and
gave him a bit of a little bit of a
power boost. Is maybe you know, it's like that was
my quote because he was acting super strange in a soca,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
But when you said it, I was like, well, I mean,
if you wanted to have room for it, you could
probably make some room for it, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
And one thing, and we're going to go into it
with our next segment, I believe in regards to influence,
I just think it's super fascinating how even the most
pious Jedi could be influenced by this thing and not
even know it that, you know what I mean. And
that's kind of going to go into our next topic,
which is kind of like and actually it's the next
topic after, so I'll save it. But I wanted to
(18:56):
kind of really go into the secrets of the Syth
and how powerful. The things are just in regards to
the transference of information, not just by picking up a
book and reading it, but literally it downloading into your
mind and kind of just giving you automatic io kung
fu type secrets that like Ezra just can utilize. Yeah,
(19:17):
they just he just utilized it without much training. He
didn't have to practice it. He just kind of just
did it. That's creepy. I think that you can just
access this knowledge and just be like darth Plagus was
just like okay, I mean dartha I always mixed up
Plagas in Citi No. I was right Plagus when he
was kind of trying to build his own he was
(19:38):
learning from other Siths to kind of figure it out,
you know what I mean. Just automatic download of information
is quite interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
And you know, I mean, you know that's kind of
the benefit of being the most powerful is you got
all the secrets. And when you talk about specific secrets
that were found, well, h I mean, the rule of
two was one because it was a powerful secret in
the fact that at that time in legends, the Sith
(20:09):
had evolved into pretty much just a Jedi order only
made up of Sith.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
They had a bunch of rules and by laws and
people in charge, and they talked about a lot of stuff.
It made was like, yo, I don't this isn't what
the man said. And so he took it upon himself
when he started looking around and going, well, this isn't.
This isn't cohesive to power, right, And thus he gained
(20:42):
power by following that original blueprint that was laid out
for him. So he also was able to find magic
that he wasn't able to use, but Xana was able
to use. And this Jack like jumped off the page
(21:02):
like it made you who's the dude from Batman? It
makes them They see the horrors and whatnotes scarecrow? Yes, yes,
it's scarecrows them And Main's like, yeah, here's some knowledge.
I can't use it, but I saw it. I think
you can use it. She's like all right, she's straight
(21:22):
up rectum and yeah, man, that's the.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Power interesting, you know what I mean? Just I can't
use it, but I can teach others to use it.
It's almost just as daily as him using it, right,
because that's his apprentice, that's his that's his underling, and
he knows.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
What's coming, you know. What I mean, they didn't discuss
it at least I haven't read that third book yet
where it concludes, so they may discuss it, but he
would have to have protected himself from it, and I'm
sure that in the Halochron itself they would have explained that.
I mean again, I want one, where where can I
find one?
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Now? With hall chrons? Are they accepting to are they
accepting to be dominated by a Sith presence? Are they
just as vitriolic to Sith as they are the Jedi?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Straight up? Yeah? Straight up rage and hate and anger,
those things.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
It's almost kind of like you have to tame it, right,
You kind of have to tame those things.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
And those that don't have necessarily essences, they have traps.
Like when Bain got the orbitalist stuck to him, you know,
He's like, oh, I want this helicron, so he re
just threw grabs it. Orbitliss is like, oh, I'm just
going to live on you now, And yeah, it made
(22:40):
him more powerful and he got that Holocron and all
that knowledge, but he was literally in pain twenty four
to seven because it was feeding off of him.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Symbiotic relationship and Bain's stuck process was Yeah, well the
knowledge is worth it, so his face hugger rules then,
like you know, And that's one of.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
The reasons I'm a big fan of both Bain and
plagueas is because they were such book words. They were
the dudes who were straight up like, let me go
find the Halochron. I think seeing Palpatine's relationship with them
would be super interesting too, because Palpatine he wasn't necessarily
(23:25):
in the book power. He was into militaristic power.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Different things, so it's like which ones were important to
you and let's hear some of those stories.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah, it's very interesting that you mentioned the different like
the different pursuits of power, the different ambitions, like I
want to learn every single thing about the Sith and
how they operate. I just want to rule the galaxy
with an iron fist and a holochron be the solution
for one of the other, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You find the right one absolutely, and what's the right run.
The Siths organization at the time did not even know
howl Acron's recruising around, and they thought the Jedi just
cleaned them all up. It was literally Bain's determination to go.
There has to be more knowledge out there, and you
(24:17):
know I can appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Interesting. Interesting. I want to talk about this for a second,
and this is just we've been talking about Darth Baine,
and we've been talking about Darth Sidius and Darth Plagis
as users. But I want to talk about the users
of the Holocron, like specific lore adjacent people who have
(24:40):
been touched by Holocrons canonically. And one of my favorite
stories is of a character and Knights of the Overpublic too,
which is I believe her name was. I was just
reading about her earlier day. It's going to kill me
me two seconds. I have to find her name. She
was a I was just looking her up. She was
(25:01):
a sith uh No, she was a Jedi librarian, she
was a Jedi historian. One second, I'm just gonna pull
up her name. Who's might I pulled this up? What's
some of your favorite outside of the ones we spoke of,
anybody else that comes to mind in regards to like
this users of Holochron.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Honestly, I am a big Bendu fan and Bindu. When
when Canaan gave Bindu the Holochron, Ben Dude looked at
it and he's like, what's this And Cainan's like, it's
very dangerous, and Bendu just laughs. He's like, yeah, okay,
if you say so. And so for me, it's you
(25:42):
talk about the people who could rule the Holochron, but
what type of being are you to be able to
mess with the Halochron? Both light and dark? And the
simply laugh it off and yeah, the knowledge this is
in knowledge? Oh what you got sight?
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Yeah, And I think I was able to find the
person I was looking for. And Bendu's are awesome. Bendu's
definitely off an awesome example, But the one that I
was just enamored by was Atrus from Knights of the
O Republics. Yeah. Atreus was a Jedi historian during the
times of the Battle of x Sarcoon and the Mandalorian Wars,
(26:29):
where she was highly pious in the way of the Jedi,
burying her burying herself in the Jedi text of vote
and feeling like the Jedi of now were just kind
of a bit more laxical. They're a bit you know,
lazy in the Jedi. They should be more strict, right,
you know. So during that time, the Jedi Council had
(26:50):
decided that, you know, we're not going to interfere with
the Jedi civil war, We're not going to interfere with
the Mandalorian war. And she saw everybody kind of go
to battle, including Revin and Malik, and her decision was,
It's like, Okay, the way I'm going to help with
this is actually tell the courtinet's of a Jedi base
to the syth to wipe out those Jedi so that
(27:11):
I can create my own Jedi order the way I
think it should be ran And she was after that,
she gathered many Holocrons because she felt, I'm so light side,
I'm so powerful that I can just deal with these
and learn from them too. I'm going to be at
a Storian across the board. And she didn't realize after
years and years that she was incorrupted, just as anybody
(27:35):
else would, but because she was so blind and so
almost sure of herself, she was being manipulated the whole
time by these Holocrons who are having her do sith
like things under the gaze of Jedi, you know, of
Jedi expectations. And it didn't take until Treya, you know,
(27:55):
Kreya Darth Treya, to say, nah, man, you're totally sifted out.
You need to come to that realization, like, no, you
don't see what you're doing. Do you hear what they're
telling you? Literally, this woman sits in a room field
with holocrons, like dozens of them, and they're all whispering
to her at the same time like she's terrible corrupted,
(28:18):
but she just can't see it because she's so pious,
because she believes she's so right. I'm so right. I've
never been wrong ever, And it didn't take it took
a sifth Lord to call out a sith Lord.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And essentially, you know, one of those holocrons is like, yeah,
I'm always right, and they have you know, seeped in
and thus like the power when you look at the
Jedi Temple and why only masters were able to walk
into the deepest, darkest four forges of the Jedi archives
(28:53):
is because all that power was hanging out. And we
have to ask ourselves who has touched these things. We
know Lucas had a little bit of experience. We know
Ezras had a little bit of experience. You know, has
a thron come across the Halothron holocron? You know what
(29:14):
I mean, and thus how much of this knowledge and
power is still being seeped out? And considering we get
almost no Palpatine type of holochron real stories. We don't know.
(29:34):
We don't know what they found, We don't know what
they did with them, you know what I mean. We
know Lucas found some stuff, but we don't know. And thus,
you know, people could be using the halochron.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Now that's what I was gonna say, Like, I think
it would be interesting in the time between let's say
a Force awakens and return of the Jedi. What was
Palpatine doing that whole time trying to make his own holochron?
You know why not? It just it would make sense
that he a keeper of holocrons, he collected them himself.
Why would he try to make his own holocron in
(30:07):
the in the situation that he may die so that
the dark side of the forest can live on, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Well, and essentially he was planning to live on, So
maybe he did not, you know what I mean. But
at the same time, Playgus was obsessed with information hit
quote unquote his master and no legends, don't beat me
up in the Cabins quotes, I get it. I'm going
to live with what we saw in actte just string
(30:36):
it together until someone tells me differently or correct.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Right there you go, Right man, It's interesting, Like these
things are just so the curiosity is just so fascinating.
I just love the idea of these ticking time bombs,
Like you were saying, who's touched them? How much influence
has there been? Could Ben could Luke's attack on Ben
(31:02):
Kenobi in the last Jedi Ben Holocron influenced Could that
have seeped into his mind? You know what I mean, nobody,
Where does idea come in the first place? You know, like,
are these Jedi ticking time bombs of Sith loyalty?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
In fact, the more we talk about it, the more
I think how little they told us about the halocron,
because Vader was after that halochron in Rebels, which leads
to you know, the famous I Am no Jedi between
him and Ahsoka. Yes, Ezra gets that halochron, but we
(31:37):
literally only know that halocron is really powerful and it
can power a battle station. That's and now that I think.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
About it, it did explode. I guess between when him
and mal Had we're having their interactions it may have
explode in it, but after that there was no mention
of it, so it could possibly be around because I
think they were fairly hard to destroy its, like you
(32:09):
could just I'm going to break this and it's over.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You're not going to break it with the force. Just
thing is, they're damn near indestructible, you know. Yeah, yeah,
So if everything we've discussed this, now come the time
to power rank this thing. And from our conversation from
the power will, it's both physically and mentally, I'm curious,
(32:34):
what is your ranking from S to F S tier
as being the absolute tipity top reality warping device to
F tier being being a food sparking knife set from
a poil loco? What is this thing.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
In in all of war.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
And in all of all of deep of War and
in the nerdiverse, not just than Star Wars, but in
all of pop culture.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I'm going to have to give it and what what's
the third tier?
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Okay, let's say no, it's let's go. S tier is
like Infinity Gauntlet almost like you know, reality warping, universe
destroying entity. And let's say A tier is like so
it's a A, B, C, D E F a B
C at the s at the top confused me. It's like, God, tier,
(33:36):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
I am going to give the sith halocron a straight
up C plus C plus. The reason being is because
not all sith Holocrons are e. You got one that
can run a battle station, You've got one talking about
(34:01):
a planet, and you know that Sith's life where he
didn't do too much, you know what I mean. So
also the fact, well, you know what, I'm gonna up
it to a B minus because it can seep. It
can seep. So if you are the unlucky soul that
comes walking up on a Sith hologrin and it decides
(34:22):
to grab you, it's much like that Poltergeist movement where
you're like, I don't want this anymore, and it's like
I'm not going away.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
I'm not going anywhere. That's where I'm at. I'm like,
I understand that not all sith holocons are created equal,
but it really is a crap shoot on what you
come across you, Like you said, you can come across
one where it was just some Sith nerd who really
loved listening to music, and that's what his sith or
it's powering you up to become a galaxy threat. You know,
(34:54):
you just don't know what you're good to get. So
I would have given it like a beat, like an
A and just our influenced you gave it a B minus.
Would you meet me in the middle and say, this
is a solid B A bery.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I can I can move up to a bee simply
because there's a lack of usage within Star Wars that
we've seen and heard about. We get glimpses but not
a full package. So yeah, I'll give it a bee
(35:29):
out and we can move up.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
To a bee one hundred. You heard it here first, folks,
we're gonna have a lot of lower episodes and we're
gonna have a season of twelve. At the end of
the day, we're gonna rank them all. We're gonna do
a shuffling of all twelve items of power that we
discuss in speaking of that as settling and setting with
a bee for the sith Holocrons. So what I'm going
(35:52):
to do for b for sif Holochron, I'm with that.
I'm with that. We're gonna run a poll. We're gonna
pick four objects of power, and I'm a can you
the Nerdi verse to choose which one you want us
to do next, and depending on the results of that poll,
that's the next lower item that we're going to discuss
and then rank amongst against the holocron. They see you
(36:13):
where at falls on these powts here ranking. We're gonna
continue to collect these until we collect all the gems
at the Infinity Stone, snap our fingers and MLT and
would have taken the taken over the galaxy.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I mean, anything that's gonna rank above a B is
something I want to get out of my chair and
go get now if it was made available to me,
you know what I mean. And it's like if you
told me there was a seth alan crime down the street.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I'm gonna go, yeah, go hundred, Please take a shot.
You know. It's like, you know, Astuary lads in your backyard,
You're not gonna go poke it. You don't know, you know,
it could be the blob, it could be a green
lantern ring. You just don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Next thing, you know, I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
You ever seen slool? Have you ever seen slither? You
go poe? Next next thing, you know, you become a
gelatinous blob of death. And destruction, or or you find
a guy ver and become a fighting hension. A go
go man, you know what I mean, our lady, So
so you go for it right.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Absolutely, man what I go for it? Whatever jumps in
front of you. If it's B level, if you got
to work for it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
If you're a d F, then there's gonna be some
c d F things. We're not going to keep it
all god t here. Like I said, we're gonna you know,
the Belta pooti tang may be a topic if you
choose it, because that's a pretty enchanted object. If you
ask me, that's funny. Brian, Where can we find you?
Speaker 2 (37:46):
You can find me at Brian J. Wash And you
can also find me on eBay at wash his shop
or Rebels Collectibles Archive.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And thank you for having me get stuff from Brian.
You may look up one day he may have a
used sith holocrod for sale. If it was about arts
and crafts, he didn't need it, so.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That you have Yes, yeah, it will not be a
B level.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
It's gonna be Yeah, it's gonna be like getting you know,
like those uh you know, it's like getting trading cards
they're not all gonna be Jordan's rookie cards. It's gonna
be something. So it's gonna be a seat here, Hollow
Crowdy finds the one on the one on pottery. You
know what I yah, Sith pottery, Sith pottery. You know
what we used to eat out of these bulls, The
(38:40):
Dark side of the spoon, The Dark Side of the Spoon. Brian,
it's been amazing having you on. There's gonna be many
more episodes with you. Like I said, you've been here
for You've been here in this nerdive Verse since since
my body. It's inception, and you've been a genuine delight.
So it's good to talk with you. It's good to
fellowship with you and to me any more.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Right, Hey, thanks for having me and bring me in anytime.
I always love to talk a little star Wars and
a little nerd Verse.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Speak, got it? Thank you so much, nerd of Verse.
With that, you can find us on YouTube, Please like,
comment and subscribe. Tell us about your ideas of Sith Holocross.
Tell us about what particular artifact of power you would
like us to discuss. I'm gonna get a lot of
my ideas are gonna come from you. We're gonna come
from your responses, so please let me know in the
(39:29):
comics below. I'm gonna use that as a basis to
create that list, So please do that on YouTube. If
you're on with us on Spotify, check us out on Spotify,
Apple Podcasts, and of course our website, Masters of the
nerdverse cast dot com. I've been, of course, your host
Mike g he's been Brian. It would like to thank
(39:49):
you for your time and talk to you later. I
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