April 2, 2025 • 52 mins
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The Nerdiverse chooses an "Item of Lore" that we will rank to find it's true importance in Pop Culture!
Wash and Mike G pop our claws and dig into one of the most important metals in pop culture!
Adamantium!
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Watch and find out!
The Nerdiverse chooses an "Item of Lore" that we will rank to find it's true importance in Pop Culture!
Wash and Mike G pop our claws and dig into one of the most important metals in pop culture!
Adamantium!
How does it measure up as an object of lore?
Watch and find out!
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Welcome back, nerd Verse. This is mot and lore, and
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watchful eye. Today we're gonna be discussing one of the
most popular medals of all time. Get ready to talk
about Adamantium Today. I am joined with my one of
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my favorite people on Earth, the man we call wash
what's going on, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yo? What up?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I am here and I am ready to talk a
tad bit of Marvel metal with you.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
There are quite a few metals in the world. Is
anti mantium one of.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Them, like in real life or like in the like
in the mar universe. Well, you acts the people, they
will say tell you yes, some people legit think aimantium
is real. If you actually, like on the street. You
know what I'm saying. This stuff is that popular that
people think it's just part of the periodic table or something.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You know what, I wish it was, I really do.
It's it's one of those things that could be real.
That's yeah, So what I mean it could be real,
and in fact it may be real, but we just
don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's not for that's for other eyes. Dog, That's that's
that secret metal. The the F sixteen bombers are made of, Doug,
the real adamantium. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about one
of my favorite things in the world, which is X Men,
and my second favorite thing is Wolverine. My third favorite
thing is adamantium, the metal that has bonded to this
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man's skeleton and made popular through the X Men. Before
we jump into the origins of Adamantium, what's your history
with this metal? What's the when's the first time you
remember hearing the word adamantium.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I mean I couldn't tell you that. I just knew
it was attached to Wolverine and it made Wolverine indestructible,
which is kind of a falsity, you know in general.
As as your young brain hears it and see it,
I will tell you that it's easy to want at
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adam antium. And folks, I'm gonna keep mispronouncing is there
adam at at at? Can I can I shorten this
thing up?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Is there a shortener in the comics that they have
for it?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sadly, no, you have to say the whole.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're like, no, there's five syllable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Word, mister mitzel pitlick, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But when it comes to not necessarily the metal, but
the character Wolverine, it became a lot less desirable once
I realized it hurt him coming out and I was like, yeah,
I don't want to do that all day every day.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That shit hurts every single time. That's what he said
in the first X Men movie. Does it hurt that's
what rogue acts, though, he said every single time, cy well,
that's why he waits. He when he pops the clause,
he's not mad, He's just like crap, shit, yes, ow.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And it's like, let's let's fight Bob. And it's like
you're like, no.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Imagine your skin's trying to grow around it all the
time until it goes back into just heels, so your
skin is trying to crawl up it to heal. Like
the logistics of Wolverine don't make sense. But really, I
think the first time I heard the words adamantium was
like during like the X Men animated series, you know
what I mean, like back in the nineties, And in
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my head, all I can hear is mister Sinister say adamantium.
You know, adamantium as they covet wolverine skeleton for some reason,
because it's made out of the most indestructible metal on Earth.
And we're gonna talk about that because Adamantium's I think,
and we mentioned this in passing. I think adamantium is
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probably one of the most popular minerals in popular culture,
up there with kryptonite. And I can't even think of
another metal that stands up with adamantium. You know what
I mean, It's like like fake mineral, you know what
I mean, like unoptainium from the Core. Remember remember the.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Core, The Core, like the movie The Core.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, where they had to dig to there the earth.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, man, the ship was made of about ye great metal,
the terrible movie.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But maybe up on the m O t X poll,
we should ask the question, what's the most popular metal?
Maybe it adamantium, Maybe a little kryptonite.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I don't know, some versus some versus.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We're gonna be doing versus on random Select coming to
you soon from mt Let's talk about the origins of adamantium. Uh.
The origins of animantium are quite all over the place.
On one hand, it was created by the celestial On
the other hand, it was it's always been here, but
just in a kind of like less concentrated form. But
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the most popular origin starts in World War One where
Captain America's shield is created for a weapon one which
is which is Steve Rogers, and they kind of accidentally
made adamantium in making Captain america shield, which was a
mix of a bunch of different metals. It was a
mix of vibranium, steel, iron, and just a bunch of
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stuff they had. And what happened was is once Captain
America went on ice, they kept trying to reduplicate the
super Soldier program. So that's where you get Weapon one,
Wepon two, Weapon three, all the way up to Wepon ten,
which is X, which is Wolverine. And somewhere along those
early lines, one of the scientists trying to replicate CAP's
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shield accidentally made adamantium the most unbreakable, like unstoppable metal
known to man. And I just want to kind of
get your ideas on just that origin like that that
you know, you know, the idea of that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I'm a huge fan of the origin of it, simply
because it's not a found product, it's a made product
within the universe. Found products can be duped and this, yes,
found products can be duplicated, you know what I mean,
Like you're wandering down the street.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Ah, we found this, Ah, we found that. But in
a lab.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
For adamantium to have been made in a lab accidentally,
with only a certain number of people knowing the secret formula,
the militaries being one, it makes it such an interesting
plot point for other characters who are aspiring to do
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things within the universe.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So it leaves open some.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
To tell some new stories if you want to, simply
because it's it's coveted.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It's it's not We're going to take over a planet
down in Wakanda or a country down in Wakanda, and
you know, just drill it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's coveted. It's like, oh, no, you have to take
this from me.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, it's a finite amount of it that we've created,
and we really don't know what the hell we did,
but we have it. We have and this is the
amount we have. Let's use it. Everyone wants it. It's
the most coveted outside of like vibranium, which can be sought,
which can be Oh, we know it's over there. The
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only problem is getting through Akanda. Good luck with that.
But you know, Amum, we know where it is. But
adamantium could be anywhere, you know what I mean. And
it's honestly, we'll get to the people who use adimantium.
But adamantium is like one of the kind of like
see it used the metals, like all the villains want
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Adamantium for their own nefarious reasons, and everybody kind of
misuses it, you know what I mean. And it's like
the most coveted one of the most coveted things on Earth,
that's constantly in the comics and spread all through Marvel,
not just through the X Men.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So yeah, with doing the research, I had not realized
that it was essentially planet by the Celestials, which you know,
I you think back on it, and this isn't that podcast,
but you really wish that Marvel can clean.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Up this whole thing, cause.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's kind of cool and it's really messy in real life,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So yeah, it's no, you're and we didn't even mention
the MCU explanation of adamantium, which is apparently like the
blood of the celestial are I see? The thing is,
I know they talk about Adamantium in the new Captain
America movie Captain America and a Brave New World, but
I didn't see it, you know what I mean, me
and I skipped it. But I so I wish I
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could speak more to the MCU origins of this thing.
But like I mentioned at the very start of this
particular panel, it's all over the place where this stuff
actually comes from, this MacGuffin and that, like you said,
it would be so nice if the if the MCU
kind of had this at the forefront. But for legal
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reasons and for whatever, adamantium is just we're just getting
it now at the tell it at the end of
all things, at the end.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of all things. It was literally at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, and adamantiam has been here the whole time, celestials
like Caveman, you know, protozoa, you know what I'm saying,
the whole time. So it's just it would it would
have made more sense if kept if adamantium didn't sprinkle
throughout the MCU since iron Man, you know what I
mean for sure, So I want to talk about adamantium
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and application, like how it's normally used, you know what
I mean, how it's how it's manufactured, you know, and
how it's distributed throughout the MCU.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I mean, I mean it is it work time or
we talking supply chain.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The economics of adamantium.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, we were, no, we were. You know, we've been
playing like Stark, you know Starfield, what is what was
it called Starfield? Yes, I was half well, I was
half about to be like, what if we discover adamantium
on some random man's planet. That would be sucking, That
would be so sick, and I can have the bod. Yeah, Like,
it's gotta be out there somewhere, right, it's gonna be
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on some random generated planet. It's gotta have animantium, right,
But no, it's like adamantium such a malleable property that
it's used in a multitude of different ways. The most
popular way is through Wolverine's branded armor adamantium skeleton and where.
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And they talk about this in X two X Men United.
He's like, the only time you can adjust animantium and
its once it's cooled at its molten state. I mean,
what's his liquid at is molten state. That's the only
time automantium can be forged or manipulated. But once it hardens,
that's it. There's no melting it back down, there's no
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you know what I'm saying, reconstituting it. It's it's indestructible.
It can't be broken. And in Wolverine's case, what's funny
is is that they had once they discovered adamantium Their
first thought was, let's just throw it in a body. Right.
This this is Weapons one two through ten, right, And
every time they tried to put adamantium in someone, they
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just died. Body couldn't handle it. They couldn't take to
the animantium bonding process. Mind you, this is multiple super soldiers,
this is other mutants. The weapon. The Weapon Plus program
was kind of gnarly, even though they were kind of
built to be this good guy organization Weapons Plus up
in Canada, they weren't playing no games. They were like
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taking out thousands upon thousands of test subjects, normal man
to mutant to superhero alike throughout the years. And they
find this Canuck named James Howlett who just regenerates from everything.
The guy can't die, Let's try it on him, and
then he becomes the titular Weapon X, the brainwashed super soldier,
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the unstoppable killing machine. And the claus were just a
byproduct of the experiment because according to origins the Origin
of Wolverine, he always had clause. He had bone claws.
So the clause that he had hidden that we didn't
know because originally in the old nineties origin the clause
came with the with the weapon X program wolver he
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didn't have bone Claus. Originally he didn't have Claus at all,
and it was just like, okay, we just throw some
claws on him. But they rereckconed that like in two
thousands with Origins where apparently Wolverine was born with bone
Claus because his memory loss and all that fun Wolverine
stuff where you can remember who he was from like
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his creation until two thousand and when he got his
memories back. That's when they said no, Wolverines had cost
the whole time. But I really want to talk about
like how it's used in like how just really how
versatile it is because and we'll talk about the users
of adamantium, but it goes from Wolverine to of course
all the other weapon next is like X twenty three
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has animantium, but it's not her whole arm, it's not
her whole skeleton, it's just the clause. Even caps shield
has bits of animantium in it. So curious about your
thoughts just on the logistics of the application.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, talking about the supply chain of it all.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Very no that they only used or they only bonded
it to one human skeleton. Yeah, you know what I mean,
for the rest for the rest of for the rest
of the uses for from my knowledge, you know what
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I mean, the X twenty threes and the other characters
we'll mention in a bit.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's mostly an add on, an extension.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I find it interesting that it's not used more in
application of vehicle, you know what I mean, because it's
fairly damn indestructible, but it's not really used like that.
So how they've chosen to use it is almost as
just an extension of an add on to your character's ability,
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with the exception of Wolverine, where they're like, no, you
get the whole damn skeleton.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's part of it. Yeah, there's no taking this off,
you know what I'm saying. That's clever what you mentioned about, Uh,
like putting it on a vehicle, putting it on a plane,
on a jet, why not? Right? And it's funny and
and I can't wait till we get to the users
of it because so many people use it in different
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various ways. And I like just the idea that well
for me, was the golden child, the golden the golden calf,
who could just be you know, body reborn almost in
adamantium in application?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Is this a wanted product within the Marvel corporate and
villain universe where they literally sit around and they're like
man if only or how do we get our hands
on some adamantium.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
All the time, there's so many storylines of Oscorp rocks
on advanced idea mechanics aim. Everybody seeks out adamantium because
it's it's just the stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
This military is the only entity per se to manufacture
and produce adamantium, not at all.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It technically it would be the Canadians with the Canadians
with the X twenty, with the weapon X program. They
were able to get there because it was kind of
born there. They were able to get the most of it,
and it kind of distributed from that experiment, you know
what I mean. There isn't a There isn't a giant
lab out there pumping out adamantium, you know what I mean,
Like you mentioned earlier, you know, kind of like LSD,
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how it's made by accident, Like they got this stuff
and they only have a finite amount and it gets
spread out through the through the MCU, it gets exchanged
sort of speak. So it's you know, it's up there
with like getting an Infinity Stone, you know what I mean.
It's like we this is on the black market, Adamantium
goes for quin trillions of dollars because it's only so
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much out there, and Wolverene's a walking example of what
this stuff can really do. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's all you need for a poster boy, you know
what I mean. It's like I got a Wolverine. Okay,
we'll buy it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We'll buy it. Dude. Speaking of Wolverine, I know we've
talked about it a bitch. Yeah, the birth of Weapon
X man, we've been talking about it, but really I
want to have a slide just kind of really dedicating
it to the practitioner of Adamantium, Logan himself, you know,
going through the Weapon X program, being brainwashed to be
a killing machine, snapping out of that X flight, finding
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him him be trying to be a legit superhero, and
Charles Exavior finds him and the rest is history, right,
but him having to be that final weapon during his
time frame because it's hard to really gauge when Weapon
X happened because Wolverine is immortal, so that this I
believe it happened around the birth of the X Men,
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like when Jean Gray was Marvel Girl and Cyclops and
Beast were running Aroun before he got mutated. So I
think this was all going around that back in the day,
and Wolverine must have discovered until the X Men like seventies,
you know what I mean, like when the new class
showed up with Storm and night Crawler and Colossus. So
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Wolverine being part of that kind of like experiment, as
you mentioned, the US government being on loan from Canada
kind of to be a part of that processcause I
think now that I think about it, it was like
a joint thing between the US in Weapon X program,
which was in Canada. So and that's where you get,
you know that the US Army.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I mean, you can't do this thing without.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
The USA, Like the entire thing falls apart. Why, I
don't know, but that's just the way the story's written,
you know what I mean, Like the Hawk, all of it.
It just you take the US Army out of Marvel
and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like a lot of stuff doesn't happen. A lot of
stuff doesn't happen. Yeah, you know, like you mentioned that,
but It's funny the experiment at that Bruce Banner was
working on when he turned into the Hulk. What's part
of the Weapon X program. It's part of the Project Rebirth,
you know what I mean. So it all ties to
adamantium in a weird way, like you can pretty much
do like eight what is it, eight degrees of Kevin
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Bacon or six degrees of Kevin Bacon. You could do
six degrees of adam antium with any character in the
Marvel universe and you'll find it connecting through line. So
I don't see, sir, it's a lot n say like
put a counter in the corner. That'd be awesome. Try
say that five times fast. You're just not gonna do it.
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So just this is just this slide is a ode
to Wolverine, the og, the man who created who pretty
much gave adamantium, made that Adamantium my household name. And
I also wanted to talk about the X Men movies
X Men one, X Men two, and X Men Origins,
which really dive into Wolverine and the importance of adamantium.
Really X Men Origins, for as bad as that movie is,
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gives us the closest look on Adamantium, how it's utilized,
how how it grants Wolverine in weird ways superhuman strength.
It increases his endurance, but it also cuts back on
his healing factor because his body is constantly rejecting it,
so he can't heal as fast as he normally could.
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But that's something that they don't really talk about, is
that how it's kind of a plus in a minus.
It's a weapon plus in a minus.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Are there no other fully regentative characters cruising her own marble?
They can't stick this thing on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
They tried with Sabertooth, if I remember correctly, because saber
Tooth has always been like the number one choice from
everybody be Cazabertoo's bigger, stronger, has more faculty than anybody else.
And I don't think it took for Sabertooth. For some reason.
They try to mode it to Deadpool. Wouldn't work, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It has for it not to be a living entity.
It has a.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Very spawn like quality to it, you know what I mean?
It really does.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It chooses who could take it? Such a good pool
now that I think about it, it's like could x
twenty three have taken all of it. What it what
it bond It's a bond like a symbield, right, What
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it bond to Dakin, son of Wolverine. What it bond
to the Incredible Hulk. There's that one character, remember that
stupid character that was a mix of Hulk and Wolverine
that actually had adamantium bonded to him. Oh god, yeah,
it's an ugly it's it's so stupid. It came out
like in the late two thousands. It was called Weapon
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ten thousand or something bullshit. But that thing was able
to take it. And the only other character, and we
can go into users of animantium, that only non mutant
that's actually had adamantium bonded to them is Bullseye from Daredevil.
We talked about that during MLTM Live Friday Night, six o'clock.
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See you there. And what happened with him was is
after Daredevil broke his spine for killing Electra, they put
an antimantium spine in his back so that no matter what,
that's never happening again. So he actually has an adamantium
lumbar on top of being just one of the most
insane you know, assassins of all time. And I would
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like to talk about the users of antimantium that are
less conventionary, you know what I mean. Like Iron Man
has an animantium armor hidden somewhere that he only breaks
out every once in a while.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I mean that would make sense. He would he would
be you know, And again you go back to the
origins and it's like, how did Stark not figure out
what this formula is? It's so the formula is so
dirty that that even like Stark couldn't couldn't like suck
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out the formula.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But for me as far as users go, and I'm
gonna be straight up honest, I'm gonna show my my
my cards here. Look, I did not care. I like
Alpha Flight. I'm a huge Alpha Flight fan. When you
talk about Canada. In fact, when I was doing the
research for this and we're talking about Weapon X and
we're talking about Canada, I was really surprised Alpha Flight's
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name didn't get brought up at some point in time
that said, Lady death Strike is freaking awesome. And I
say that from Marvel Snap.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Purely God's work, you know what I mean? Lady Duth
strike in Luna Snow. You know what I'm saying, you
just wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
No, so out there doing the Lord's work. So that
is awesome to me when I found out her claws
are and it's like, yeah, that makes sense, and that
understands why she busts everything up man, even though they
do need to raise that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Go ahead hashtag buff Lady depth strike, Doug. She needs
to do she needs to do more damage, dude. But no,
it's like adamantium. It's so sparsely used in the MC
in Marvel, but also everywhere every single major group has
interacted with it on some point. Doctor Octopus once had
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adamantium tentacles to fight Spider Man for a while, we mentioned,
which also makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
There's some of these things that make sense. But as mcguffin,
as you call it, it's almost like we can't do this.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It over powers.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Quick and it's taken away quickly, Like Outron had an
animantium body at some point and which is godlike and
just wipe the wipe the floor of everybody. They had
to take him out of effect, you know what I mean, Like,
there's it's adamantium spread all through the MCU and it's
just kind of like you're blinking you miss it. Like
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even in Deadpool and Wolverine the movie, they gave Deadpoole
adamantium Katanas, you know what I mean. And it's just
like that's Cannon as well. He once got adamantium. Katana's
Electra has had adamantium size, you know what I mean.
Like it's just it's like these are characters have nothing
to do with the X Men, you know what I mean,
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nothing to do with the weapon program.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You're just like, oh no, this thing can break through whatever.
So I need it because I slice in nice things,
so I need it, you know what I mean. Iron
Fish being like, yeah, man, I want you to take
my hand and cover it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And to Manio, please Kim.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Jimmy, there's another one. Take a drink. Every time you
ruin adamantium, dog, you will be blitzed by the end
of this end of this episode. No, man, it's just
Adamantium is so much fun, only because it's like the
secret sauce to a lot of heroes, mostly villains, that
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have used adamantium. And I'm trying to think of other
instances where it's popped up, and that's pretty much it
from my Nerdi Verse knowledge. Are those major characters? I
do know, and I would like to go into kind
of like I know, we're kind of just speeding through,
(27:47):
uh this one, but I wanted to go over just
for fun, Adamantium versus vibranium and just for fun, just
because we're talking about the lore of it, and it's like,
these are the two most like powerful metals in the
Marvel universe, you know, outside of like space ship like
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what whatever silver surfer is made out of. Things like that.
We don't count that. That's not fair, you know what
I mean. But in regards to like sought after metals,
adam antium versus vibranium, what are you taking in this fight?
The metal that is that is instructible, are the or
that could absorb anything and doesn't take damage.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I have to take vibratium because of the kinetic the
kinetic property of it. Yeah, put property of it. Do
you think about that shot? I can't remember which movie
because lord knows, there's been enough now, but the bullet goes,
it hits and it just absorbs all of the the
energy from it and It's like, nah, man, that's that's
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what's needed. Don't get me wrong. Adamantium's cool, but I'd
rather not feel it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I rather not feel it. Wolverin feels all of it.
That's his problem, that's his big that's his major problem.
But adamantiums I would. It's funny I would take adamantium
because there's a breaking point to vibranium. You can only
absorb so much energy before it pops, and then it
kind of temporarily weakens. Black Panthers happened before happened in
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the movies, you know what I'm saying, Like, if Juggernaut
was to suck the Black Panther full force at his chest,
he's gonna absorb ninety percent of that, but that ten
is gonna get him and it may take him out
the game. Whereas there's only so many things that can
touch adamantium in the Marvel Universe outside of like Galactus
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or the Molecule Man or like Franklin Richards. I'm talking
about multiversal, cosmic scale intervention. It's the only thing that
really even budgets this stuff. What's disheartened Wolverine had scratched
Thanos He's cut Captain America's shield, you know what I mean,
He's pierced Wolf. He's pierced the whole multiple times. So
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it's like, if this stuff is in the right hand,
it's damn near impossible to defeat, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So where Wolverine is a thing, isn't it me and maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Me meal?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like so there's not another weapon really.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But that is the count. That doesn't even count because
that's YOURU that's not even that's space metal. That's a
whole other cat of worms there. Like, I don't think
Wolverine can slice Okay, yeah, anything that's terrestrial. Nothing's better
with adamantic That's why it's so sought after you go
into space. Even then, there's certain things that can't. Like
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I don't think Wolverine can scratch Thor's hammer. I don't
think that's ever happened. And Thor's hammer can't shatter adamantium
because they've they've tussled in the past. Yeah, and it
just doesn't work. It's just ademantium. Like you said, it
was been it was kissed by the celestials, the stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yes, I was in research.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I was Thor had they had a vial of adamantium,
and they let Thor hit it with his hammer and
it did.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, that's saying it takes people who can break down Adams,
you know, I'm saying, like dark Phoenix type stuff, or
when we're gonna allude to it with our importance to
the lore, people who can manipulate metal, which is why
I'm Wolverine's best friend is Magneto, who completely owns him
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every single time they meet, because what are you gonna do?
And we're not gonna We're gonna get into fatal attraction,
which is probably the most the only time Adamantium has
been made to look like a joke, you know what
I mean in the entirety of comic book history is
that fight that gets every where. He had enough, you know.
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But if you know adamantium versus vibranium, mind you, they
have their strengths. Vibranium, I hate to say, it is
more like we talked about earlier. It's easier to access
because there's a who damn country full of it and
if you're sneaky enough, ain't clever enough, you can get
a hold of it too. But Adamantium is like, you
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know what I mean, It's like that rare shiny Pokemon.
You're not gonna just come across it, you know what
I mean. You gotta know people who know people who
know people who know people, and then talk to the
kingpin who knows somebody. You might get like a vile
and figure out, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
They have so much room to run with this idea
if they wanted to, because.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's not completely overused.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And when you stop and think about it, it's like
Ultron if he had had a bunch of Ultrons covered
in adamantium.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
How you lose? How do you lose? You know? Like
some people have adamantium bullets, you know what I mean.
I think the Punisher, you know what, and someone we
didn't mention, Hawkeye has adamantium tipped arrows to take down
the big hit the heavy hitters. We don't pull those
out unless it's like, unless it's literally a the you know,
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super scroll is here or something crazy, are you know,
Rulin the executioner or something wild.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
He's like a hawk is after me and I Am
not gonna win this fight.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Man right to the dome piece. It'll slow him down,
It'll slow him down a little bit. So yeah, like
adamantium is versus vibranium. You know, if you were to
ask me who went on a fight between Black Panther
and Wolverine, I'll probably take Black Panther. Pan I was
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actually gonna take Wolverine. Let's talk about it. About it.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Look, I think that's interesting that you take adamantium, I
take vibranium. But then I'm gonna take Wolverine and you're
gonna take Black Panther.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Like it simply comes down to.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Durability, durability, and I just I can just see both
of them being bloody and Wolverine being like, yeah, Bob,
let's go and.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
With with the with the skeleton.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's gonna give him that extra just length and durability
to outlast Black Panther.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
You see. And Black Panthers kind of not fair because
Black Panther is equal parts Captain America, equal parts Tony Stark,
equal parts Doctor Strange because he has the whole magic
thing going on on top of the vibranium in equal
parts Batman, you know what I mean. So it's like,
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if these two were to fight, I think Black Panther
would figure out a way to immobilize, you know, Wolverine,
like he's not gonna beat him through brute forts, He's
gonna have to outsmart him outthink him out in he's
faster than Wolverine. I would at least think, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Based on yes that I would give you yes, I
would think that, you know, we're splitting hairs when we
talk fast because the Wolverine's still gonna right, but you know,
Panthers got him.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I think Panther's got him. If they were just a
straight up like brawl, just duke it out fighting game style,
Wolverine's gonna win because who's gonna be Wolverine in that
he just can't stop. He never gets tired, his stamina
never goes low. You know, there's this great scene where
Daredevil was trying to fight Woverine, and like you said,
they get bloodied and Daredevil's like, I just I just
(35:59):
can't keep up. Is like dancing, like I give you
this Holliday, pretty boy, It just heels up like nothing happened,
And Darede was like, you got it, man, you got
it all.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right, Let's start this all day.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, And that's yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Know what I'm saying. So interesting fight, interesting fight, importance
to the Lord. Now this is tricky because I was
at first going to say, let's do lore based upon
the Marvel universe, all lore, and I think that's not
fair because there's a lot going on in Marvel universe,
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and this may not be as big as a deal
as the Super Soldier serum, or as big as a
deal as you know what I'm saying, the birth of
the Fantastic Four, or you know what I'm saying. But
let's limit the lore to the X Men based upon
X Men lore? How important it is it to Charles
(36:58):
Xavier Magneto, polarizing forces, X Men, equality meetings, all that stuff.
Just what are your thoughts on that? Should we base
it on on the Marvel comics? Are?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I like what you did there with simplifying it down
to the X Men. But we started by saying, and
you know, I don't know if this is this one
or not top two or top three, you know what
I mean in popular culture, So you know, to take
it down that just X Men kind of limits that
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a little bit for its power.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
So for me, I would.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Say the whole the whole kit, and kaboot the hold Angelaa,
except for you know, Captain Marvel. We know, as you said,
the extraterrestrial is going to be terrestrial all day, every day.
So being reasonable about it, I would say, yes, you
have to put it to.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
The whole universe as a.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Whole perfect let's talk about it. So pitting Adimantium up
against mind you objects of Lord, not necessarily Lord in general.
So keeping in mind Thor's hammer, iron Man's armor, Spidey Spie,
Spidey's web shooters for that matter, you know, just across
the Marvel universe. How important is adamantium to the grand
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scheme of things?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think? And what do we zero one out of five?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
How we do this? Top top B in the five?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Oh yeah, those ten fifty fourteen days go by so quick.
I'm like, what how do we score this thing again?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No, we're gonna we're gonna say that for the power
ranking stuff, for the power.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That's oh the important that ship or we're not there yet,
okay there, just okay. I was all right, Yeah, I'm
gonna say it's pretty dang high. And the reason I
say that is not Unfortunately, Adamantium is tied with Wolverine
you know what I mean, it's hard to separate the
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two two. So in that instance, if you're telling me
that Adamantium is gone now and thus Wolverine is no
longer part of the landscape, I think that changes how
many things ultimately play out within the universe. So I'm
gonna say the importance is kind of high. It also
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changes some motivations of some folks, like mister sinister.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Adamantium. It's funny you mentioned the importance how important the
X Men are, how important Wolverine is, because I think
the biggest flaw, no matter how much money the mc
you made, how many billion dollar movies are produced, all
we were ever asking from I am iron Man to
I am iron Man, is where the X Men? Where
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is Wolverine? Where's Sydeclops, Where's Storm? You know? And it's
almost like this eight hundred pound elephant in the room
of the MCU that we've that's been on the back
of all of our minds, and you feel that emptiness
when they're not there. If the X Men should have
been an endgame, the X Men should have been in
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Infinity War, you know what I mean. The X Men
should have been in the MCU this whole time. It
would and it would, and it would have enriched that
journey so much more if Wolverine was there and Amantium
was there, if the Claws were there. Like so many
fans missed that out to a point where there's a
whole generation who are like, who are the X Men?
(40:42):
And that's sad, dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I'm gonna take it one step further than what you're
saying and like piggyback on it. It's so popular that
they brought them back, picking and screaming, they like, Nah,
everybody's got to come back because it's it's it's what's missing.
We're not talking about that new school. They're like, no,
(41:09):
we need the X Men back. And trust me, we've
went through a reiteration of X Men already. Guess who
they aren't bringing back the new x Men. Guess who they.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Are bringing back? The original X Men?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And how important to the Lord? How oh yeah, how
important to the how important to the dollar? Let's talk
about that. And I want to bring up that Disney
spent how many billion dollars to buy Fox because they
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understood the importance of bringing these people back into the
phote mind you, Fox is a big company, but the
Simpsons haven't necessarily the zeit guys start Alien Versus Predator. No,
they spent that money to get these guys back, to
get Wolverine back, and they were never gonna do it
otherwise we're gonna get crappy X Men movie after crappy,
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after the X Men movie, Dark Phoenix, Like you mentioned,
nobody cared. They spent like two point six billion dollars
to secure the Shining Light of Marvel. And it's been
like that since the nineties. Dude, it's been.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's like thirty years old, bro.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like, So, like you ask me how important they are
to the lore, how important Adamantium is to the lore,
It's pretty damn important. And they've and Marvel has proven
it time after time again that once they got these guys,
they couldn't wait to use them to sprinkle them through
the MCU. They've been chomping at the bit to get
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them to us. And we just saw in that damn
Tarithon that they're bringing everybody back the Tarithon. So I
hate the tariffon. So it's like, I think animantium is
pretty demn important, not just to arms manufacturers, not just
to multiple multiple companies and then the then Marvel not
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even just a Wolverine, but to the landscape of Marvel Comics.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
And I mean brave new world like it.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh, I think we lost Brian for this live, so
we're just gonna get him back going real quick fasted
in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
A brave New World.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It is a centerpiece to the story, so they know
how important Adamantium is to to not only their vision
but to the lore in general.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, one hundred brave New World from my understanding, that
is the like I mentioned earlier, the mcguffin to the
entire story, and as it should be because Adamantium is
a big deal and Wolverine is probably on the mount
rushmore of Marvel characters, you know what I mean to
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a lot of people. Spider Man, Wolverine, Venom, Venom Captain.
You know, Venom's a big one.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, I'm just talking like when you talk like the
Big Three and Big Four and we're going way off
like like the lore of Adamantium right now, but you know,
like like Venom, like you know, do you remember nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
When you couldn't get enough of Venom freewhere they made
maximum carnage bro apropos of nothing. No movie was coming out. No,
they made a maximum carnage game so you can play
as Venom. You know what I'm saying. And like you
said earlier, Wolverine is Adimantium. Adamantium. It is Wolverine, and
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that's why Adamantium is now a household name. Like I
was saying, people think this ship is real because they
just think, oh, yeah, that's part of the periodic table Edimantium.
Wolverine has it right, Yeah, I just can't get it over.
Reid has it right.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
You're just like, you know that's not real.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Don't you know that's not real? Dog man. I was
a science class in the third grade and we were talking,
wed have to do a report on adamantium. Like it's busted, Doug.
Like this stuff is is a you know, it's up
there with damn. It's it's up there with damn, A
cream of wheat, Dug. You know, pepsi, pepsi coke, adamantium, Doug.
(45:43):
You know what I'm saying. Let's see whereby appoints to
the lore power ranking. But I think that I'll make
that lore power ranking. So let's rank this bad boy.
I'll start with you. Watch where are you ranking this on?
From zero to five claws, you.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Know, on on the cover it. I think it's very
easy to look at Adamantium and just you know, it's metal,
like it's in Wolverine and like move on. But when
you dig into Adamantium, who's the people surrounding Adamantium, especially
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the big power players who have ruined thousands of lives
trying to experiment millions, millions of lives just just no,
we gotta we gotta get.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It to work. I'm going to put this kind of high.
I think I'm gonna give this thing.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Like a four. I almost want to give it a five,
but I think I'm gonna come in at like a four.
Yea four on this, maybe like a four point two,
just because it's it's a one commodity, man, and when
you have it, you are at the top and your
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heart to beat.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, you make a good point, dude, that it's such
a like you said on its face, Ovverine has it.
It's a woverine thing. But and we talked about it
in the Grand Scheme of Marvel Comics, it's so widespread
and touches so many characters from Spider Man all your
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all your favorite Spider Man, the Avengers of course, the
X Men, even the Defenders including Daredevil. Everybody is being
not only sought after this metal, but have felt it sting,
you know what I'm saying, and have endured it. Thor
has endured it, you know what I mean. And it's
like it's almost like, like you said, it almost has
a mind of its own. It's almost like it's almost
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like a symbiot, you know what I mean, like on
who will allow it to wield it like thorest Hammer
in a weird way. Not everybody can get it, just
not through sure necessity but through sure application and implementation.
Some people just can't handle it. Like I was think
about Omega Red, who was supposed to be made of adamantium,
but they got the cheap cousin of it, which is carbondamium,
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Like you know, the best value adamantium. I don't want
to upset any Omega Red fans out there, but let's
call a spade a spade. There's a bootleg adimantium is
out there that just don't cut it. Like titanium man
who thought he was a shit until he felt with
the Red where he went skunk and he learned real
quick what real metal is. You know what I mean.
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There's a lot of outliers Adamantium. It's as synonymous with
the X Men as kryptonite is to Superman, you know
what I mean. So I would rate it, I'd say
a let's get let's get washed back. I don't want
to wait until he clicks back in here. But just
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more thoughts on why I'm gonna rank it so high
is because I think Adamantium is just one of those metals,
one of those things, one of those things that just
exists in the Marvel universe, that branch that branches so
well and applies to so many characters, especially our Bora
w overread Deadpool, and of course you know the rest
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of the weapons program. As Brian mentioned, his favorite user
is Lady death Strike, whose claws are made of adamantium.
You can literally see it jutting out of her skin
because the implementation didn't take so with that, definitely would
like to rate this one if I had to give
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it from a scale from the zero clause out of
five claws. There's an importance to all of Marvel. I
think I'm gonna match Brian's four only because it's not
the end all be all of Marvel. In regards to
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items of lore, I think there are certain items in
Marvel that get that coveted five out of five. Like
Captain America's shield is a five out of five lore
defining industry defining weapon. Captain iron Man's armor is also
a five out of five just overall armor, I mean,
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overall item of lore, whereas Adaman Team is more like
a means to an end. And it's kind of not
fair because we could do a lore on Wolverine's clause
alone and that'll be an object of law. But Adamantium
into itself, it's a whole different conversation. What Wolverine's clause
rank higher than Adamantium itself. That's a whole nother lore
(50:52):
for a whole other episode. But for this one, I'm
going to give Adamantium a solid for Brian conked out
on us. Unfortunately, we are having some strange weather here
in the West Coast, so I think the Internet just
kind of died. But that's okay. We were able to
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get to the end of our episode here, We're going
to go ahead and just let's see if I can
get Brian back and see if we can pick back up.
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what's going on, sir?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Yo? What up?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
I am here and I am ready to talk a
tad bit of Marvel metal with you.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
There are quite a few metals in the world. Is
anti mantium one of.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Them, like in real life or like in the like
in the mar universe. Well, you acts the people, they
will say tell you yes, some people legit think aimantium
is real. If you actually, like on the street. You
know what I'm saying. This stuff is that popular that
people think it's just part of the periodic table or something.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
You know what, I wish it was, I really do.
It's it's one of those things that could be real.
That's yeah, So what I mean it could be real,
and in fact it may be real, but we just
don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
That's not for that's for other eyes. Dog, That's that's
that secret metal. The the F sixteen bombers are made of, Doug,
the real adamantium. Yeah, we're gonna be talking about one
of my favorite things in the world, which is X Men,
and my second favorite thing is Wolverine. My third favorite
thing is adamantium, the metal that has bonded to this
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man's skeleton and made popular through the X Men. Before
we jump into the origins of Adamantium, what's your history
with this metal? What's the when's the first time you
remember hearing the word adamantium.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I mean I couldn't tell you that. I just knew
it was attached to Wolverine and it made Wolverine indestructible,
which is kind of a falsity, you know in general.
As as your young brain hears it and see it,
I will tell you that it's easy to want at
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adam antium. And folks, I'm gonna keep mispronouncing is there
adam at at at? Can I can I shorten this
thing up?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Is there a shortener in the comics that they have
for it?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Sadly, no, you have to say the whole.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
They're like, no, there's five syllable.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Word, mister mitzel pitlick, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
But when it comes to not necessarily the metal, but
the character Wolverine, it became a lot less desirable once
I realized it hurt him coming out and I was like, yeah,
I don't want to do that all day every day.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That shit hurts every single time. That's what he said
in the first X Men movie. Does it hurt that's
what rogue acts, though, he said every single time, cy well,
that's why he waits. He when he pops the clause,
he's not mad, He's just like crap, shit, yes, ow.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
And it's like, let's let's fight Bob. And it's like
you're like, no.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Imagine your skin's trying to grow around it all the
time until it goes back into just heels, so your
skin is trying to crawl up it to heal. Like
the logistics of Wolverine don't make sense. But really, I
think the first time I heard the words adamantium was
like during like the X Men animated series, you know
what I mean, like back in the nineties, And in
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my head, all I can hear is mister Sinister say adamantium.
You know, adamantium as they covet wolverine skeleton for some reason,
because it's made out of the most indestructible metal on Earth.
And we're gonna talk about that because Adamantium's I think,
and we mentioned this in passing. I think adamantium is
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probably one of the most popular minerals in popular culture,
up there with kryptonite. And I can't even think of
another metal that stands up with adamantium. You know what
I mean, It's like like fake mineral, you know what
I mean, like unoptainium from the Core. Remember remember the.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Core, The Core, like the movie The Core.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, where they had to dig to there the earth.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, man, the ship was made of about ye great metal,
the terrible movie.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
But maybe up on the m O t X poll,
we should ask the question, what's the most popular metal?
Maybe it adamantium, Maybe a little kryptonite.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I don't know, some versus some versus.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
We're gonna be doing versus on random Select coming to
you soon from mt Let's talk about the origins of adamantium. Uh.
The origins of animantium are quite all over the place.
On one hand, it was created by the celestial On
the other hand, it was it's always been here, but
just in a kind of like less concentrated form. But
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the most popular origin starts in World War One where
Captain America's shield is created for a weapon one which
is which is Steve Rogers, and they kind of accidentally
made adamantium in making Captain america shield, which was a
mix of a bunch of different metals. It was a
mix of vibranium, steel, iron, and just a bunch of
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stuff they had. And what happened was is once Captain
America went on ice, they kept trying to reduplicate the
super Soldier program. So that's where you get Weapon one,
Wepon two, Weapon three, all the way up to Wepon ten,
which is X, which is Wolverine. And somewhere along those
early lines, one of the scientists trying to replicate CAP's
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shield accidentally made adamantium the most unbreakable, like unstoppable metal
known to man. And I just want to kind of
get your ideas on just that origin like that that
you know, you know, the idea of that.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I'm a huge fan of the origin of it, simply
because it's not a found product, it's a made product
within the universe. Found products can be duped and this, yes,
found products can be duplicated, you know what I mean,
Like you're wandering down the street.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Ah, we found this, Ah, we found that. But in
a lab.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
For adamantium to have been made in a lab accidentally,
with only a certain number of people knowing the secret formula,
the militaries being one, it makes it such an interesting
plot point for other characters who are aspiring to do
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things within the universe.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So it leaves open some.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
To tell some new stories if you want to, simply
because it's it's coveted.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
It's it's not We're going to take over a planet
down in Wakanda or a country down in Wakanda, and
you know, just drill it.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
It's coveted. It's like, oh, no, you have to take
this from me.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, it's a finite amount of it that we've created,
and we really don't know what the hell we did,
but we have it. We have and this is the
amount we have. Let's use it. Everyone wants it. It's
the most coveted outside of like vibranium, which can be sought,
which can be Oh, we know it's over there. The
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only problem is getting through Akanda. Good luck with that.
But you know, Amum, we know where it is. But
adamantium could be anywhere, you know what I mean. And
it's honestly, we'll get to the people who use adimantium.
But adamantium is like one of the kind of like
see it used the metals, like all the villains want
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Adamantium for their own nefarious reasons, and everybody kind of
misuses it, you know what I mean. And it's like
the most coveted one of the most coveted things on Earth,
that's constantly in the comics and spread all through Marvel,
not just through the X Men.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
So yeah, with doing the research, I had not realized
that it was essentially planet by the Celestials, which you know,
I you think back on it, and this isn't that podcast,
but you really wish that Marvel can clean.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Up this whole thing, cause.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's kind of cool and it's really messy in real life,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So yeah, it's no, you're and we didn't even mention
the MCU explanation of adamantium, which is apparently like the
blood of the celestial are I see? The thing is,
I know they talk about Adamantium in the new Captain
America movie Captain America and a Brave New World, but
I didn't see it, you know what I mean, me
and I skipped it. But I so I wish I
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could speak more to the MCU origins of this thing.
But like I mentioned at the very start of this
particular panel, it's all over the place where this stuff
actually comes from, this MacGuffin and that, like you said,
it would be so nice if the if the MCU
kind of had this at the forefront. But for legal
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reasons and for whatever, adamantium is just we're just getting
it now at the tell it at the end of
all things, at the end.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of all things. It was literally at the beginning.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, and adamantiam has been here the whole time, celestials
like Caveman, you know, protozoa, you know what I'm saying,
the whole time. So it's just it would it would
have made more sense if kept if adamantium didn't sprinkle
throughout the MCU since iron Man, you know what I
mean for sure, So I want to talk about adamantium
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and application, like how it's normally used, you know what
I mean, how it's how it's manufactured, you know, and
how it's distributed throughout the MCU.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
I mean, I mean it is it work time or
we talking supply chain.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
The economics of adamantium.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
No, we were, no, we were. You know, we've been
playing like Stark, you know Starfield, what is what was
it called Starfield? Yes, I was half well, I was
half about to be like, what if we discover adamantium
on some random man's planet. That would be sucking, That
would be so sick, and I can have the bod. Yeah, Like,
it's gotta be out there somewhere, right, it's gonna be
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on some random generated planet. It's gotta have animantium, right,
But no, it's like adamantium such a malleable property that
it's used in a multitude of different ways. The most
popular way is through Wolverine's branded armor adamantium skeleton and where.
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And they talk about this in X two X Men United.
He's like, the only time you can adjust animantium and
its once it's cooled at its molten state. I mean,
what's his liquid at is molten state. That's the only
time automantium can be forged or manipulated. But once it hardens,
that's it. There's no melting it back down, there's no
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you know what I'm saying, reconstituting it. It's it's indestructible.
It can't be broken. And in Wolverine's case, what's funny
is is that they had once they discovered adamantium Their
first thought was, let's just throw it in a body. Right.
This this is Weapons one two through ten, right, And
every time they tried to put adamantium in someone, they
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just died. Body couldn't handle it. They couldn't take to
the animantium bonding process. Mind you, this is multiple super soldiers,
this is other mutants. The weapon. The Weapon Plus program
was kind of gnarly, even though they were kind of
built to be this good guy organization Weapons Plus up
in Canada, they weren't playing no games. They were like
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taking out thousands upon thousands of test subjects, normal man
to mutant to superhero alike throughout the years. And they
find this Canuck named James Howlett who just regenerates from everything.
The guy can't die, Let's try it on him, and
then he becomes the titular Weapon X, the brainwashed super soldier,
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the unstoppable killing machine. And the claus were just a
byproduct of the experiment because according to origins the Origin
of Wolverine, he always had clause. He had bone claws.
So the clause that he had hidden that we didn't
know because originally in the old nineties origin the clause
came with the with the weapon X program wolver he
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didn't have bone Claus. Originally he didn't have Claus at all,
and it was just like, okay, we just throw some
claws on him. But they rereckconed that like in two
thousands with Origins where apparently Wolverine was born with bone
Claus because his memory loss and all that fun Wolverine
stuff where you can remember who he was from like
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his creation until two thousand and when he got his
memories back. That's when they said no, Wolverines had cost
the whole time. But I really want to talk about
like how it's used in like how just really how
versatile it is because and we'll talk about the users
of adamantium, but it goes from Wolverine to of course
all the other weapon next is like X twenty three
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has animantium, but it's not her whole arm, it's not
her whole skeleton, it's just the clause. Even caps shield
has bits of animantium in it. So curious about your
thoughts just on the logistics of the application.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, talking about the supply chain of it all.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Very no that they only used or they only bonded
it to one human skeleton. Yeah, you know what I mean,
for the rest for the rest of for the rest
of the uses for from my knowledge, you know what
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I mean, the X twenty threes and the other characters
we'll mention in a bit.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
It's mostly an add on, an extension.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
I find it interesting that it's not used more in
application of vehicle, you know what I mean, because it's
fairly damn indestructible, but it's not really used like that.
So how they've chosen to use it is almost as
just an extension of an add on to your character's ability,
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with the exception of Wolverine, where they're like, no, you
get the whole damn skeleton.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's part of it. Yeah, there's no taking this off,
you know what I'm saying. That's clever what you mentioned about, Uh,
like putting it on a vehicle, putting it on a plane,
on a jet, why not? Right? And it's funny and
and I can't wait till we get to the users
of it because so many people use it in different
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various ways. And I like just the idea that well
for me, was the golden child, the golden the golden calf,
who could just be you know, body reborn almost in
adamantium in application?
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Is this a wanted product within the Marvel corporate and
villain universe where they literally sit around and they're like
man if only or how do we get our hands
on some adamantium.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
All the time, there's so many storylines of Oscorp rocks
on advanced idea mechanics aim. Everybody seeks out adamantium because
it's it's just the stuff.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
This military is the only entity per se to manufacture
and produce adamantium, not at all.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
It technically it would be the Canadians with the Canadians
with the X twenty, with the weapon X program. They
were able to get there because it was kind of
born there. They were able to get the most of it,
and it kind of distributed from that experiment, you know
what I mean. There isn't a There isn't a giant
lab out there pumping out adamantium, you know what I mean,
Like you mentioned earlier, you know, kind of like LSD,
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how it's made by accident, Like they got this stuff
and they only have a finite amount and it gets
spread out through the through the MCU, it gets exchanged
sort of speak. So it's you know, it's up there
with like getting an Infinity Stone, you know what I mean.
It's like we this is on the black market, Adamantium
goes for quin trillions of dollars because it's only so
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much out there, and Wolverene's a walking example of what
this stuff can really do. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
That's all you need for a poster boy, you know
what I mean. It's like I got a Wolverine. Okay,
we'll buy it.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
We'll buy it. Dude. Speaking of Wolverine, I know we've
talked about it a bitch. Yeah, the birth of Weapon
X man, we've been talking about it, but really I
want to have a slide just kind of really dedicating
it to the practitioner of Adamantium, Logan himself, you know,
going through the Weapon X program, being brainwashed to be
a killing machine, snapping out of that X flight, finding
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him him be trying to be a legit superhero, and
Charles Exavior finds him and the rest is history, right,
but him having to be that final weapon during his
time frame because it's hard to really gauge when Weapon
X happened because Wolverine is immortal, so that this I
believe it happened around the birth of the X Men,
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like when Jean Gray was Marvel Girl and Cyclops and
Beast were running Aroun before he got mutated. So I
think this was all going around that back in the day,
and Wolverine must have discovered until the X Men like seventies,
you know what I mean, like when the new class
showed up with Storm and night Crawler and Colossus. So
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Wolverine being part of that kind of like experiment, as
you mentioned, the US government being on loan from Canada
kind of to be a part of that processcause I
think now that I think about it, it was like
a joint thing between the US in Weapon X program,
which was in Canada. So and that's where you get,
you know that the US Army.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
I mean, you can't do this thing without.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
The USA, Like the entire thing falls apart. Why, I
don't know, but that's just the way the story's written,
you know what I mean, Like the Hawk, all of it.
It just you take the US Army out of Marvel
and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Like a lot of stuff doesn't happen. A lot of
stuff doesn't happen. Yeah, you know, like you mentioned that,
but It's funny the experiment at that Bruce Banner was
working on when he turned into the Hulk. What's part
of the Weapon X program. It's part of the Project Rebirth,
you know what I mean. So it all ties to
adamantium in a weird way, like you can pretty much
do like eight what is it, eight degrees of Kevin
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Bacon or six degrees of Kevin Bacon. You could do
six degrees of adam antium with any character in the
Marvel universe and you'll find it connecting through line. So
I don't see, sir, it's a lot n say like
put a counter in the corner. That'd be awesome. Try
say that five times fast. You're just not gonna do it.
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So just this is just this slide is a ode
to Wolverine, the og, the man who created who pretty
much gave adamantium, made that Adamantium my household name. And
I also wanted to talk about the X Men movies
X Men one, X Men two, and X Men Origins,
which really dive into Wolverine and the importance of adamantium.
Really X Men Origins, for as bad as that movie is,
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gives us the closest look on Adamantium, how it's utilized,
how how it grants Wolverine in weird ways superhuman strength.
It increases his endurance, but it also cuts back on
his healing factor because his body is constantly rejecting it,
so he can't heal as fast as he normally could.
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But that's something that they don't really talk about, is
that how it's kind of a plus in a minus.
It's a weapon plus in a minus.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Are there no other fully regentative characters cruising her own marble?
They can't stick this thing on.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
They tried with Sabertooth, if I remember correctly, because saber
Tooth has always been like the number one choice from
everybody be Cazabertoo's bigger, stronger, has more faculty than anybody else.
And I don't think it took for Sabertooth. For some reason.
They try to mode it to Deadpool. Wouldn't work, you
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know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It has for it not to be a living entity.
It has a.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Very spawn like quality to it, you know what I mean?
It really does.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
It chooses who could take it? Such a good pool
now that I think about it, it's like could x
twenty three have taken all of it. What it what
it bond It's a bond like a symbield, right, What
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it bond to Dakin, son of Wolverine. What it bond
to the Incredible Hulk. There's that one character, remember that
stupid character that was a mix of Hulk and Wolverine
that actually had adamantium bonded to him. Oh god, yeah,
it's an ugly it's it's so stupid. It came out
like in the late two thousands. It was called Weapon
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ten thousand or something bullshit. But that thing was able
to take it. And the only other character, and we
can go into users of animantium, that only non mutant
that's actually had adamantium bonded to them is Bullseye from Daredevil.
We talked about that during MLTM Live Friday Night, six o'clock.
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See you there. And what happened with him was is
after Daredevil broke his spine for killing Electra, they put
an antimantium spine in his back so that no matter what,
that's never happening again. So he actually has an adamantium
lumbar on top of being just one of the most
insane you know, assassins of all time. And I would
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like to talk about the users of antimantium that are
less conventionary, you know what I mean. Like Iron Man
has an animantium armor hidden somewhere that he only breaks
out every once in a while.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
I mean that would make sense. He would he would
be you know, And again you go back to the
origins and it's like, how did Stark not figure out
what this formula is? It's so the formula is so
dirty that that even like Stark couldn't couldn't like suck
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out the formula.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
So I think that's fascinating.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But for me as far as users go, and I'm
gonna be straight up honest, I'm gonna show my my
my cards here. Look, I did not care. I like
Alpha Flight. I'm a huge Alpha Flight fan. When you
talk about Canada. In fact, when I was doing the
research for this and we're talking about Weapon X and
we're talking about Canada, I was really surprised Alpha Flight's
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name didn't get brought up at some point in time
that said, Lady death Strike is freaking awesome. And I
say that from Marvel Snap.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Purely God's work, you know what I mean? Lady Duth
strike in Luna Snow. You know what I'm saying, you
just wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
No, so out there doing the Lord's work. So that
is awesome to me when I found out her claws
are and it's like, yeah, that makes sense, and that
understands why she busts everything up man, even though they
do need to raise that.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Go ahead hashtag buff Lady depth strike, Doug. She needs
to do she needs to do more damage, dude. But no,
it's like adamantium. It's so sparsely used in the MC
in Marvel, but also everywhere every single major group has
interacted with it on some point. Doctor Octopus once had
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adamantium tentacles to fight Spider Man for a while, we mentioned,
which also makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
There's some of these things that make sense. But as mcguffin,
as you call it, it's almost like we can't do this.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
It over powers.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Quick and it's taken away quickly, Like Outron had an
animantium body at some point and which is godlike and
just wipe the wipe the floor of everybody. They had
to take him out of effect, you know what I mean, Like,
there's it's adamantium spread all through the MCU and it's
just kind of like you're blinking you miss it. Like
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even in Deadpool and Wolverine the movie, they gave Deadpoole
adamantium Katanas, you know what I mean. And it's just
like that's Cannon as well. He once got adamantium. Katana's
Electra has had adamantium size, you know what I mean.
Like it's just it's like these are characters have nothing
to do with the X Men, you know what I mean,
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nothing to do with the weapon program.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
You're just like, oh no, this thing can break through whatever.
So I need it because I slice in nice things,
so I need it, you know what I mean. Iron
Fish being like, yeah, man, I want you to take
my hand and cover it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
And to Manio, please Kim.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Jimmy, there's another one. Take a drink. Every time you
ruin adamantium, dog, you will be blitzed by the end
of this end of this episode. No, man, it's just
Adamantium is so much fun, only because it's like the
secret sauce to a lot of heroes, mostly villains, that
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have used adamantium. And I'm trying to think of other
instances where it's popped up, and that's pretty much it
from my Nerdi Verse knowledge. Are those major characters? I
do know, and I would like to go into kind
of like I know, we're kind of just speeding through,
(27:47):
uh this one, but I wanted to go over just
for fun, Adamantium versus vibranium and just for fun, just
because we're talking about the lore of it, and it's like,
these are the two most like powerful metals in the
Marvel universe, you know, outside of like space ship like
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what whatever silver surfer is made out of. Things like that.
We don't count that. That's not fair, you know what
I mean. But in regards to like sought after metals,
adam antium versus vibranium, what are you taking in this fight?
The metal that is that is instructible, are the or
that could absorb anything and doesn't take damage.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I have to take vibratium because of the kinetic the
kinetic property of it. Yeah, put property of it. Do
you think about that shot? I can't remember which movie
because lord knows, there's been enough now, but the bullet goes,
it hits and it just absorbs all of the the
energy from it and It's like, nah, man, that's that's
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what's needed. Don't get me wrong. Adamantium's cool, but I'd
rather not feel it.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Yeah, I rather not feel it. Wolverin feels all of it.
That's his problem, that's his big that's his major problem.
But adamantiums I would. It's funny I would take adamantium
because there's a breaking point to vibranium. You can only
absorb so much energy before it pops, and then it
kind of temporarily weakens. Black Panthers happened before happened in
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the movies, you know what I'm saying, Like, if Juggernaut
was to suck the Black Panther full force at his chest,
he's gonna absorb ninety percent of that, but that ten
is gonna get him and it may take him out
the game. Whereas there's only so many things that can
touch adamantium in the Marvel Universe outside of like Galactus
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or the Molecule Man or like Franklin Richards. I'm talking
about multiversal, cosmic scale intervention. It's the only thing that
really even budgets this stuff. What's disheartened Wolverine had scratched
Thanos He's cut Captain America's shield, you know what I mean,
He's pierced Wolf. He's pierced the whole multiple times. So
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it's like, if this stuff is in the right hand,
it's damn near impossible to defeat, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So where Wolverine is a thing, isn't it me and maybe.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Me meal?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like so there's not another weapon really.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But that is the count. That doesn't even count because
that's YOURU that's not even that's space metal. That's a
whole other cat of worms there. Like, I don't think
Wolverine can slice Okay, yeah, anything that's terrestrial. Nothing's better
with adamantic That's why it's so sought after you go
into space. Even then, there's certain things that can't. Like
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I don't think Wolverine can scratch Thor's hammer. I don't
think that's ever happened. And Thor's hammer can't shatter adamantium
because they've they've tussled in the past. Yeah, and it
just doesn't work. It's just ademantium. Like you said, it
was been it was kissed by the celestials, the stuff.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Yes, I was in research.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I was Thor had they had a vial of adamantium,
and they let Thor hit it with his hammer and
it did.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, that's saying it takes people who can break down Adams,
you know, I'm saying, like dark Phoenix type stuff, or
when we're gonna allude to it with our importance to
the lore, people who can manipulate metal, which is why
I'm Wolverine's best friend is Magneto, who completely owns him
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every single time they meet, because what are you gonna do?
And we're not gonna We're gonna get into fatal attraction,
which is probably the most the only time Adamantium has
been made to look like a joke, you know what
I mean in the entirety of comic book history is
that fight that gets every where. He had enough, you know.
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But if you know adamantium versus vibranium, mind you, they
have their strengths. Vibranium, I hate to say, it is
more like we talked about earlier. It's easier to access
because there's a who damn country full of it and
if you're sneaky enough, ain't clever enough, you can get
a hold of it too. But Adamantium is like, you
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know what I mean, It's like that rare shiny Pokemon.
You're not gonna just come across it, you know what
I mean. You gotta know people who know people who
know people who know people, and then talk to the
kingpin who knows somebody. You might get like a vile
and figure out, you know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
And this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
They have so much room to run with this idea
if they wanted to, because.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
It's not completely overused.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
And when you stop and think about it, it's like
Ultron if he had had a bunch of Ultrons covered
in adamantium.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
How you lose? How do you lose? You know? Like
some people have adamantium bullets, you know what I mean.
I think the Punisher, you know what, and someone we
didn't mention, Hawkeye has adamantium tipped arrows to take down
the big hit the heavy hitters. We don't pull those
out unless it's like, unless it's literally a the you know,
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super scroll is here or something crazy, are you know,
Rulin the executioner or something wild.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
He's like a hawk is after me and I Am
not gonna win this fight.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Man right to the dome piece. It'll slow him down,
It'll slow him down a little bit. So yeah, like
adamantium is versus vibranium. You know, if you were to
ask me who went on a fight between Black Panther
and Wolverine, I'll probably take Black Panther. Pan I was
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actually gonna take Wolverine. Let's talk about it. About it.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Look, I think that's interesting that you take adamantium, I
take vibranium. But then I'm gonna take Wolverine and you're
gonna take Black Panther.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Like it simply comes down to.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
Durability, durability, and I just I can just see both
of them being bloody and Wolverine being like, yeah, Bob,
let's go and.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
With with the with the skeleton.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
It's gonna give him that extra just length and durability
to outlast Black Panther.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
You see. And Black Panthers kind of not fair because
Black Panther is equal parts Captain America, equal parts Tony Stark,
equal parts Doctor Strange because he has the whole magic
thing going on on top of the vibranium in equal
parts Batman, you know what I mean. So it's like,
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if these two were to fight, I think Black Panther
would figure out a way to immobilize, you know, Wolverine,
like he's not gonna beat him through brute forts, He's
gonna have to outsmart him outthink him out in he's
faster than Wolverine. I would at least think, you know.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Based on yes that I would give you yes, I
would think that, you know, we're splitting hairs when we
talk fast because the Wolverine's still gonna right, but you know,
Panthers got him.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I think Panther's got him. If they were just a
straight up like brawl, just duke it out fighting game style,
Wolverine's gonna win because who's gonna be Wolverine in that
he just can't stop. He never gets tired, his stamina
never goes low. You know, there's this great scene where
Daredevil was trying to fight Woverine, and like you said,
they get bloodied and Daredevil's like, I just I just
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can't keep up. Is like dancing, like I give you
this Holliday, pretty boy, It just heels up like nothing happened,
And Darede was like, you got it, man, you got
it all.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right, Let's start this all day.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, And that's yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Know what I'm saying. So interesting fight, interesting fight, importance
to the Lord. Now this is tricky because I was
at first going to say, let's do lore based upon
the Marvel universe, all lore, and I think that's not
fair because there's a lot going on in Marvel universe,
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and this may not be as big as a deal
as the Super Soldier serum, or as big as a
deal as you know what I'm saying, the birth of
the Fantastic Four, or you know what I'm saying. But
let's limit the lore to the X Men based upon
X Men lore? How important it is it to Charles
(36:58):
Xavier Magneto, polarizing forces, X Men, equality meetings, all that stuff.
Just what are your thoughts on that? Should we base
it on on the Marvel comics? Are?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
I like what you did there with simplifying it down
to the X Men. But we started by saying, and
you know, I don't know if this is this one
or not top two or top three, you know what
I mean in popular culture, So you know, to take
it down that just X Men kind of limits that
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a little bit for its power.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
So for me, I would.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Say the whole the whole kit, and kaboot the hold Angelaa,
except for you know, Captain Marvel. We know, as you said,
the extraterrestrial is going to be terrestrial all day, every day.
So being reasonable about it, I would say, yes, you
have to put it to.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
The whole universe as a.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Whole perfect let's talk about it. So pitting Adimantium up
against mind you objects of Lord, not necessarily Lord in general.
So keeping in mind Thor's hammer, iron Man's armor, Spidey Spie,
Spidey's web shooters for that matter, you know, just across
the Marvel universe. How important is adamantium to the grand
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scheme of things?
Speaker 3 (38:32):
I think? And what do we zero one out of five?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Is this?
Speaker 3 (38:36):
How we do this? Top top B in the five?
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Oh yeah, those ten fifty fourteen days go by so quick.
I'm like, what how do we score this thing again?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
No, we're gonna we're gonna say that for the power
ranking stuff, for the power.
Speaker 4 (38:48):
That's oh the important that ship or we're not there yet,
okay there, just okay. I was all right, Yeah, I'm
gonna say it's pretty dang high. And the reason I
say that is not Unfortunately, Adamantium is tied with Wolverine
you know what I mean, it's hard to separate the
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two two. So in that instance, if you're telling me
that Adamantium is gone now and thus Wolverine is no
longer part of the landscape, I think that changes how
many things ultimately play out within the universe. So I'm
gonna say the importance is kind of high. It also
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changes some motivations of some folks, like mister sinister.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Adamantium. It's funny you mentioned the importance how important the
X Men are, how important Wolverine is, because I think
the biggest flaw, no matter how much money the mc
you made, how many billion dollar movies are produced, all
we were ever asking from I am iron Man to
I am iron Man, is where the X Men? Where
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is Wolverine? Where's Sydeclops, Where's Storm? You know? And it's
almost like this eight hundred pound elephant in the room
of the MCU that we've that's been on the back
of all of our minds, and you feel that emptiness
when they're not there. If the X Men should have
been an endgame, the X Men should have been in
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Infinity War, you know what I mean. The X Men
should have been in the MCU this whole time. It
would and it would, and it would have enriched that
journey so much more if Wolverine was there and Amantium
was there, if the Claws were there. Like so many
fans missed that out to a point where there's a
whole generation who are like, who are the X Men?
(40:42):
And that's sad, dude, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
I'm gonna take it one step further than what you're
saying and like piggyback on it. It's so popular that
they brought them back, picking and screaming, they like, Nah,
everybody's got to come back because it's it's it's what's missing.
We're not talking about that new school. They're like, no,
(41:09):
we need the X Men back. And trust me, we've
went through a reiteration of X Men already. Guess who
they aren't bringing back the new x Men. Guess who they.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Are bringing back? The original X Men?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
And how important to the Lord? How oh yeah, how
important to the how important to the dollar? Let's talk
about that. And I want to bring up that Disney
spent how many billion dollars to buy Fox because they
(41:49):
understood the importance of bringing these people back into the
phote mind you, Fox is a big company, but the
Simpsons haven't necessarily the zeit guys start Alien Versus Predator. No,
they spent that money to get these guys back, to
get Wolverine back, and they were never gonna do it
otherwise we're gonna get crappy X Men movie after crappy,
(42:11):
after the X Men movie, Dark Phoenix, Like you mentioned,
nobody cared. They spent like two point six billion dollars
to secure the Shining Light of Marvel. And it's been
like that since the nineties. Dude, it's been.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
It's like thirty years old, bro.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Like, So, like you ask me how important they are
to the lore, how important Adamantium is to the lore,
It's pretty damn important. And they've and Marvel has proven
it time after time again that once they got these guys,
they couldn't wait to use them to sprinkle them through
the MCU. They've been chomping at the bit to get
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them to us. And we just saw in that damn
Tarithon that they're bringing everybody back the Tarithon. So I
hate the tariffon. So it's like, I think animantium is
pretty demn important, not just to arms manufacturers, not just
to multiple multiple companies and then the then Marvel not
(43:15):
even just a Wolverine, but to the landscape of Marvel Comics.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
And I mean brave new world like it.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Oh, I think we lost Brian for this live, so
we're just gonna get him back going real quick fasted
in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
A brave New World.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
It is a centerpiece to the story, so they know
how important Adamantium is to to not only their vision
but to the lore in general.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, one hundred brave New World from my understanding, that
is the like I mentioned earlier, the mcguffin to the
entire story, and as it should be because Adamantium is
a big deal and Wolverine is probably on the mount
rushmore of Marvel characters, you know what I mean to
(44:19):
a lot of people. Spider Man, Wolverine, Venom, Venom Captain.
You know, Venom's a big one.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Yeah, I'm just talking like when you talk like the
Big Three and Big Four and we're going way off
like like the lore of Adamantium right now, but you know,
like like Venom, like you know, do you remember nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1 (44:43):
When you couldn't get enough of Venom freewhere they made
maximum carnage bro apropos of nothing. No movie was coming out. No,
they made a maximum carnage game so you can play
as Venom. You know what I'm saying. And like you
said earlier, Wolverine is Adimantium. Adamantium. It is Wolverine, and
(45:03):
that's why Adamantium is now a household name. Like I
was saying, people think this ship is real because they
just think, oh, yeah, that's part of the periodic table Edimantium.
Wolverine has it right, Yeah, I just can't get it over.
Reid has it right.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
You're just like, you know that's not real.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
Don't you know that's not real? Dog man. I was
a science class in the third grade and we were talking,
wed have to do a report on adamantium. Like it's busted, Doug.
Like this stuff is is a you know, it's up
there with damn. It's it's up there with damn, A
cream of wheat, Dug. You know, pepsi, pepsi coke, adamantium, Doug.
(45:43):
You know what I'm saying. Let's see whereby appoints to
the lore power ranking. But I think that I'll make
that lore power ranking. So let's rank this bad boy.
I'll start with you. Watch where are you ranking this on?
From zero to five claws, you.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Know, on on the cover it. I think it's very
easy to look at Adamantium and just you know, it's metal,
like it's in Wolverine and like move on. But when
you dig into Adamantium, who's the people surrounding Adamantium, especially
(46:29):
the big power players who have ruined thousands of lives
trying to experiment millions, millions of lives just just no,
we gotta we gotta get.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It to work. I'm going to put this kind of high.
I think I'm gonna give this thing.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
Like a four. I almost want to give it a five,
but I think I'm gonna come in at like a four.
Yea four on this, maybe like a four point two,
just because it's it's a one commodity, man, and when
you have it, you are at the top and your
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heart to beat.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Yeah, you make a good point, dude, that it's such
a like you said on its face, Ovverine has it.
It's a woverine thing. But and we talked about it
in the Grand Scheme of Marvel Comics, it's so widespread
and touches so many characters from Spider Man all your
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all your favorite Spider Man, the Avengers of course, the
X Men, even the Defenders including Daredevil. Everybody is being
not only sought after this metal, but have felt it sting,
you know what I'm saying, and have endured it. Thor
has endured it, you know what I mean. And it's
like it's almost like, like you said, it almost has
a mind of its own. It's almost like it's almost
(47:56):
like a symbiot, you know what I mean, like on
who will allow it to wield it like thorest Hammer
in a weird way. Not everybody can get it, just
not through sure necessity but through sure application and implementation.
Some people just can't handle it. Like I was think
about Omega Red, who was supposed to be made of adamantium,
but they got the cheap cousin of it, which is carbondamium,
(48:20):
Like you know, the best value adamantium. I don't want
to upset any Omega Red fans out there, but let's
call a spade a spade. There's a bootleg adimantium is
out there that just don't cut it. Like titanium man
who thought he was a shit until he felt with
the Red where he went skunk and he learned real
quick what real metal is. You know what I mean.
(48:41):
There's a lot of outliers Adamantium. It's as synonymous with
the X Men as kryptonite is to Superman, you know
what I mean. So I would rate it, I'd say
a let's get let's get washed back. I don't want
to wait until he clicks back in here. But just
(49:04):
more thoughts on why I'm gonna rank it so high
is because I think Adamantium is just one of those metals,
one of those things, one of those things that just
exists in the Marvel universe, that branch that branches so
well and applies to so many characters, especially our Bora
w overread Deadpool, and of course you know the rest
(49:27):
of the weapons program. As Brian mentioned, his favorite user
is Lady death Strike, whose claws are made of adamantium.
You can literally see it jutting out of her skin
because the implementation didn't take so with that, definitely would
like to rate this one if I had to give
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it from a scale from the zero clause out of
five claws. There's an importance to all of Marvel. I
think I'm gonna match Brian's four only because it's not
the end all be all of Marvel. In regards to
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items of lore, I think there are certain items in
Marvel that get that coveted five out of five. Like
Captain America's shield is a five out of five lore
defining industry defining weapon. Captain iron Man's armor is also
a five out of five just overall armor, I mean,
(50:32):
overall item of lore, whereas Adaman Team is more like
a means to an end. And it's kind of not
fair because we could do a lore on Wolverine's clause
alone and that'll be an object of law. But Adamantium
into itself, it's a whole different conversation. What Wolverine's clause
rank higher than Adamantium itself. That's a whole nother lore
(50:52):
for a whole other episode. But for this one, I'm
going to give Adamantium a solid for Brian conked out
on us. Unfortunately, we are having some strange weather here
in the West Coast, so I think the Internet just
kind of died. But that's okay. We were able to
(51:15):
get to the end of our episode here, We're going
to go ahead and just let's see if I can
get Brian back and see if we can pick back up.
If not, we can just close out the episode for
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this evening of MLT and Lore, just going to go
ahead and thank everyone for watching. And we do lures
every other almost every two months. We do a lore
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