May 14, 2025 • 62 mins
Welcome to MOTN Random Select! The Nerdiverse randomly chooses 8 films that must battle within a pop culture genre and we pick who will win! Round One: Astro Boy (2009) Vs. Nightmare Alley (2021) Will the CGI retelling of a Anime classic defeat the dark noir thriller of a man losing his grip on sanity? Watch and find out!
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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we goodly hit you with them, stole code facts and
allow me to beat the very first but welcome to
the masters of the Nerdiverse. Welcome back, Nerdiverse. This is
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the second round of mot and Random Select, where we
choose eight random genre films and our group goes through
the gauntlet and figuring out which of these eight films
is the absolute best. I'm, of course Mike g happy
to give introductions all around. First, let's start off with
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the ultimate one herself, toudy odin. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Tod Hey, good afternoon, How are you guys that's fingers
crossed for this one.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, we're already fighting the elements on this one. Secrets.
Speaking of secrets, no one has more secrets than the
Jedi Master himself. Wash, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's a secret?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, everything as well, Mike, thank you. I appreciate that, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
All is well, All welcome. There's peace and serenity in
the light.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Absolutely, let's get happen and wassimile Dasa Sile stays and
washes Dasa Sile exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Is that some kind of like is that some galaxy's
edge Rube, I don't know about. It goes down, It's
going down in the dust style, It's going down, going down.
We got two crazy movies we're talking about. One is
a Giebo dol Toro original, which technically is not original
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because these are all graphic based off graphic novels. So
this is a Giebo dough Toro directed telling of Nightmare
Alley versus. Some would say it's the very first animated
character animation anime character of all time. Two thousand and
nine's own Astro Boy. So I wanted to ask around
the room, starting with Toots, how do you feel about
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these two strange movies going head to head.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
All right, let's do this again. You know what, I
was actually trying to find a common ground between the
two because they are very unique. Obviously, one is animated,
one is not. That's the biggest difference between the two.
One is somewhat of a horror film or thriller, whatever
you want to call it. The other is a fun,
loving kid movie. The only common ground that I can
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find between the two is people die in both, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Interesting, very interesting. That is a comedy denominator that will
be explored. Wash. What is your thoughts on these two
strange movies finding themselves in the gauntlet.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I had never seen either of these movies, So for me,
putting both these movies in a gauntlet and swishing them
around within i want to say, seventy two hours of
each other was a interesting, unique experience. And I did
go with a shot of Astroboy with Nightmare ally as
the chaser, So I don't know if things would have
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went differently. I went the opposite route, but that's where
we're at. So, yeah, the interesting battle. I've been thinking
about it since, you know, it was next up. And
you know, they're just two different but similar films.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Very good call out two different but very similar themes
in these films. And from my experience, I've seen both
movies at some point in my life, but only like
once or twice. I've never like dived into these are
like healing from the rooftops for either, but I enjoyed both.
So these being pinned together, as two said, it's really
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kind of like Apples and Origins, animated versus versus live action,
you know what I mean, your drama versus high tech,
you know, futurism. But there are common ground themes that
make this a fair fight, honestly, So I'm curious to
see what everybody thinks about these films and how they
stack up against each other. And just like before, we've
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already had our picks, correct, everybody has their in mind pick.
And at the end, they're gonna if your mind changes,
we have to devoge that your mind change paper. By
the way, Michael, it's all in here, baby, all right,
I'll put it on my phone. I'll put it on
my phone. Up, I'll put it on my phone.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
As we speak, I'm just gonna write it out here
because I already know which one I want to win. Perfect,
all right, So let's go ahead get this show on
the road, shall we. So let's start off with astro Boy.
Let's do a quick breakdown of astro Boy before we
dive in Astral Boys, a two thousand and nine film
directed by David Bowers. The synopsis is when an android
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replica of a boy is rejected by his aggrieved creator,
he goes off to find his own identity and an
adventure that would make him the greatest hero of his time.
Did you know? The character of astral Boy first appeared
in print as a manga in nineteen fifty two by
Osamo tk Zua. The manga was adopted into television shows
in nineteen sixty three nineteen eighty. In two thousand and three,
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Like I said, this is probably the very first anime
ever made. There's a lot of pedigree that comes behind
this film. So I just wanted to get everybody's initial
thoughts on astral Boy. Let's start with watch what were
your thoughts about this film?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Okay, astro Boy two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
First off, the history that you're talking about, I did
not know at all walking into it. So I went
to the old Roku machine and I typed in astro Boy,
and then like seven different astro boys appear before me,
and I'm like, uh, well, what's all this? So I
went to two thousand and nine and our friend Nick
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Cage from our first Round film was also happened to
be in this, which I was like, hey, I'm stoked.
Fun fact this film cost sixty five million dollars to
make fly. So so my thoughts on it, I liked it.
It's a nice kid friendly film. I thought that when
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we talk about themes, it does deal with some fairly
adult themes, which I thought like they really did grief
very well in this and the depiction of it and
what one might go through if one had the resources.
So that's more the adult ish theme.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But for me, like.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We are literally, I don't know, like two weeks away
from this future in like real time in twenty twenty five.
So when I'm watching it, and then I started thinking
about all this deep lore and what you know, folks
in the nineteen fifties were thinking about the future would
look like we're almost right there. So Astro Boy, for me,
especially someone who's involved or with AI who pays attention
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to robotics. It's like, man, this future is kind of
not too far off, And if this was hiding in
someone's closet and it was on CBS tomorrow, I would
not at all be surprised the movie. I had a
good time with it. I had a good time with it.
I thought that the Earth being removed from the planet
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to save itself. Hey man, I'm not throwing out ideas,
but you know, there may be a population or two
that's like, this isn't a bad idea, And I went,
it's certainly creative.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So I did it like that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I did not like the fact that they threw away
all the robots and kind of made robot trash out
of them, because dude, they're robots, So like, you know,
be nice to robots. Trust me, they may uprise and
you don't want to be fighting astro Boy on the streets.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of LA That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's initial thoughts, perfect perf Toot's late laid on as
what are your digitial thoughts of this film?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Okay, so this is exactly what I wrote down, and
I kind of was my camera. I wrote down Morbid beginning, Hell, middle, Morbid, middle,
and classic. So this is the very first words I
actually wrote when it came to take you knows Astra
because I feel like that's the that's exactly the FORMU
that that that it kind of followed when the first
when the movie first started, I was like, how is
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this for kids? Like, obviously, how is this for kids?
Like kid dies like almost immediately at the beginning, And Uh,
it's it's you know, it's it's sad, but it's not
too sad, you know what I mean, Like, like Brian said,
it's it's kind of done well. And Bill bill Ny
has one of the best lines in the movie to me.
He says, if you lose your son and you don't
go crazy, then there's something wrong with you. Because obviously
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they're they're watching the doctor go nuts and trying to
figure out how to bring his son back in a
robot form, right, which you know eventually becomes astro Boy,
And you know, so there as as taken aback as
they are about his reaction to his son's death, they
are they're letting him. They're they're letting him, They're letting
him do it, which is which I thought was pretty interesting. Uh,
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and then the other aspect that Brian brought up was
was was something that I noticed immediately is that you know,
the majority of Earth is now no longer inhabitable apparently,
and so they moved the part that is is habitable
away from the entire planet. It's literally just floating out
in the air. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
And not the first time we've seen it. We've seen
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it in Wally, We've seen uh, the Simpsons predicted it
similarly in the Treehouse of four episode, And yeah, the
astra Boy, I was trying to see what I can
find common Growtha, and I know the story. I've seen
it before. I think there's a seventies or sixties version
that I that I watched very long time ago, and
that's the only one I've ever seen. That's the only
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thing about Astraboy that I that I really know, to
be honest. Uh, But yeah, Full Little Alchemist is another
one that comes to mind that it kind of reminds
me of just a little bit. But yeah, initially I
I'm really sad, and then not. It's super cute. Actually,
it's a very very cute films for.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sure, absolutely just out of curiosity too. So are you
hearing me clearly by chance? Am I coming in clearly? Okay,
you're you're clear, but you are roboting a little bit,
so no worries. So I just wanted to ask. I'm
gonna give my thoughts if you can hop in and
hop back out and while I might and seve that
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clears it up maybe a little bit. Okay, Yeah, that's
what I'm thinking would helped clear with the with our
roboting issue, you know what I mean. And I'm just
gonna kind of kind of hit on those touch on
your basis as well, because you just hit a lot
of really good notes, especially like with the comparison to
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like other media where the Earth kind of separated from
itself kind of reminds me of the Jetsons in a
weird way, you know what I mean, kind of like
how humanity just stopped messing with the Earth itself and
built sky skycastles, you know what I mean. Also reminded
me of for you. Yeah, everything's done for you. It's
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like Elysium, right, remember that movie Alesia with Matt Damon
where it's like the krem Dela Krem is in the sky,
but everyone on Earth is suffering. And this film in
two thousand and nine touches on that very well. Toots
also alluded this to earlier, so I'll get full credit
to the Odin and comparing this movie to almost like
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pet cemetery, you know what I mean. I wanted to
not let that slip.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Because we accidentally potted on site totally by accident, And yes,
I probably should have said that for the cast, but yeah,
it was. It's definitely not be cemetery. Vibeach, especially at
the beginning. The beginning of this movie is wild.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What would you do if your child was Lord? Yeah,
so that doctor has a lot to answer for. And
if this wasn't in the gaze of a child film,
this would be a horror a body horror film, because
he's discovering his abilities in very Cronenberg like ways. He
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gets thrown out of a window and his legs auto
transform into rockets, you know what I mean. Let that
be spider legs. That we're playing a different game, you
know what I mean, Like as a child, right, there's
themes of a heavy grief, like Brian mentioned, like wash
mention that you can the grief is palpable, and his
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decisions vilify him until they don't he's redeemed kinda, but
he did a horrible thing in creating this monster, which
is astro boy Frankenstein's monster in a bit of a way,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ah, you know what, I hadn't even considered the whole
Frankenstein thing until you're literally just mentioning it. And this
is where like this movie gets kind of weird and
it's like this kid's movie, but there's this much more
adult type of thing that is happening within the movie,
and that Frankenstein theme that's almost makes me.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like, look at Nick Cage's character even worse.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Because from one end, at like like two, Dy's mentioned it,
you know, the grief in It's like, yeah, you feel
for this guy. But then when you start talking about
creating Frankenstein's monster and his reasons, it's like, oh, that's
not that's not super clean cut anymore, is it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, the the father figure, the doctor is very much
Doctor Frankenstein, right. He is trying to use all of
his resources to resurrect his literally dead son. But it's
it's his job too, you not his job.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
It's not like he said, you know, it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Working in his own lab, somewhere in the far depths
of something. He's like working at his lab.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You know what it was. It said it early, say
something too, so I just want to make sure you're
coming in clear hello a little better. So yeah, I
was like, dude, it's I was like, guess what he
gets to do now? He gets to rebuild his son
on the government's dime because his son got killed in
a training accident, you know what I mean. Like, it's
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it's and that's anime and too, it's so anime, right,
it's the childhood themes and what an undercurrent of adult
drama and adult pain. And you got to think about
when this movie, when this character was created in nineteen
fifty two, this is right after World War Two, you
know what I mean? This is on the cusp of
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here of Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima and all that stuff.
He's he's just about as old as Godzilla, honestly. So
it's like what drives a person to create this pain
whole story about losing a child and using technology to
bring them back. You know, of all those people who
passed away and yeah, Pearl Harbor, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Their stories I've been told of young couples or young
fathers losing their sons, and you know, it seems like
it hits very close to home when it comes to
Japan in that time of that that that era.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, it's a theory. No I I have a straight
through line to that. That's what I'm exactly what I'm
saying is that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Sorry, did I say for Harbor, I meant I meant Hiroshima.
That's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Same. Yes, there lives in Hawaii. So it's like like
the grief of a parent manifested into I will do
anything and what and what's in what's Morris pat Cemetery
that the child Astro is not Timu at all. Yes,
hees glimpses of his son, but it's not as same
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son body without Toby. I'm sorry, did I say t.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Shop this?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Shouted yourself? Your bro just straws.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I got five hundred straws out cheap cheap suits. Uh,
that's not racist at all. But yeah, Toby is not Astro.
And it's like the super pet Cemetery thing where it's
like he brought back the body, but didn't bring back
the soul, you know what I mean. And the father
was disgusted by it and bandished him from the lands,
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you know what I mean, of his own creation. And
that's when Astro went to planet Earth and found out
there's a whole contingency of humans still living down there
and grinding it out with junk part robots and they're
having a good bummy time, you know what I mean.
So there's a lot that goes That's a lot that's
going on in this film, even the Final Boss being
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an amalgamation of just political just bloodthirsty dis all the
guy what it was to get re elected. All the
villain wanting was to just get re elected. You know.
He became a He became a homunculous of negative energy,
which is a weird metaphor to japad Is talking to
somebody right there, I one real quick.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So Donald Sutherland, Donald Sutherland and Nicholas Cage did a
terrible job that was acting this for these roles. So
you guys, this is my own personal opinion. I don't
think Donald Sutherland really wanted to even do the movie
in the first place. I I feel like he barely
looked at the script, barely looked at his lines, and
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just like.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They both.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Good.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
He was great. Yeah, I thought he was great. That
was like Donald's killing it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Man, they slept walked through these rolls. I just wore
a good elected acting the you know what I mean.
But I don't know. Maybe I think I thought that
I thought Ashtoy's voice acting was strong. I thought the
female protagonist's voice acting was strong. Kristen, Kristen Bell.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Kristin Kristen, Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Kirsty anything close to hell Raiser. So, uh my thoughts. Yeah,
just to wrap things up, Yeah, I love ashtrol Boy
has a special place in my heart because that was
the very first s I wrote in art school was
about the birth of anime and it was about astro Boy.
So I've always loved astro Boy. I don't talk about
it a lot, but he is like my very first
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college paper was on astro Boy.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Say, I don't think that there's enough astro Boy love,
especially as Tuty was trying to put together some marketing
for this this, this this reel or this this video,
and it's like you start looking online and it's like, man,
do people even know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
About astro boy really or not so much?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And I mean I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know
and Thus, even after I got done watching it, I
was like, well, let me go check out some of
this old stuff because I don't know anything.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
About this and this dude's kind of cool. So I
will say.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
One of the fun things that it made me think
about this movie, and it doesn't necessarily have much to
do with astro Boy, but just robots versus robots, just
all types of robots versus robots, you.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And I was thinking to myself with the big bad
robot that Donald Sutherland plays versus.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Like the robot from Robotcop. Who's the second RoboCop like
two nine, yeah, at two all nine.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
For some reason, as I was watching the movie, I
was like, dude, this is great, Like this movie just
has a really fun theme and I think they could
get a lot of legs out out of it. You know,
it's gonna want to put some time into it now.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You say that. But there's a lot of RoboCop too
in this movie, where you know, like the a RoboCop
where they made RoboCop two. The main villain, Kane, was
a bad guy whose saul was put into a robot
and he had and he all he wanted was this
drug called nuke, so his chair his chest piece would
open up and like grab for it, and they would
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have to put the duke in his chest, just like
they put the negative energy in the robots chest with it,
and he's fighting the original version of himself is it's
like a lot of RoboCop thinking.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Of Robot Rogue Bowl Cop two.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
When I was watching this movie and just didn't make
like the correlation.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Maybe like in the corners of your mind, like some
kind of weird I didn't. That's some kind of weird
symbiosis of thought, like you just put the bug. You
just put the bug in my head, Doug, you know,
any final thoughts on astro BOYD before we talk about
its combatant?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yep, all right, shout out the RF Squad. I like
those guys.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Those those dudes are real. They had a mission and
they failed, and that's okay. They failed. They were gonna
tickle that guy with a feather.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
They were literally programmed to fail and they could not.
Absolutely impossible for them to just you know, not follow
the It's just really funny. It's just good robot humor.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think the RF Squad rules. I was almost want
a T shirt with those with those ragtag one was
just like a mailbox. That that's flap spoke.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What patriots refrigerator?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think, yeah, they like this. Those those guys are patriots. Dog,
Don't don't get them, don't. They'll talk to me about
the r r F squad, Doug, Uh, speaking of I
don't even know where to start with this damn thing.
All right, Nightmare Alley, directed by Gierbo del Toro. The
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synopsis A grifter working his way from a low ranking
carnival worker to a lauded psychic media matches wits with
a psychologist bent on exposing him. Did you know that?
Bradley Cooper claimed that many of the tabletop props in
the film were actual possessions of the director himself. Makes
if if you see Germo do Toro's house, you know
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exactly how the stuff came from his.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
If you've seen half his films, you're like, what is
what is that show that he show?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It was only very it was good. Uh, yeah, it's
called cured him.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like the Cabinet of something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, the Cabinet of Curiosities or something like that, right, Cabinet.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Of curiosity something. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think
that's yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty neat little show.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah. He was like the crypt Keeper and it's like
this giant like curio cabinet of like stories that Misses
Fire watched that. I think I kind of want to
go first on this one, if it's okay, because I
have I have some things to say about this one.
I've seen this like once once or twice, and lately
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Geirmo's been kind of hit or missed with me, you
know what I mean, just in regards to just maintaining
my interest in his films. Like Crimson Peak was one
that I went into very excited and was just kind
of like, oh man, this wasn't what I kind of
paid for. It was a romance. It was a legit
romance film, but through the lens of Gearmo del Toro.
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And in watching this one, as the police come and
find me because I'm a bad man, I'm a bad
bad I'm sorry, I just got to get that out
by system. This one took me for surprise because I
wasn't sure if it was supernatural or if it wasn't
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til the absolute very end, until it's the cat's completely
out the bag, you know, what I mean. And I
liked that about this film that you don't really know
Bradley Cooper's character until the very the end, and you
realize just how irredeemable he is, and it makes it
kind of hard to root for anybody in this movie,
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you know what I mean. Everybody has kind of like
their agenda that they're trying to push. So, yeah, I
really enjoyed this one. I really enjoyed the themes of
like of like flying too close to the sun. He
was really just icorous, wasn't he. He started smelling, he
started getting high on his own supply, and he left
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around and found out, you know what I mean. I
think that's just really kind of a through line of
this story. So let's start with Toots, what are your
What were your because I've been aching to hear what's
your thoughts arery because you'd be kind of shadow dropping,
like Mike, I can't talk to you about this film, Mike,
I can't talk to you. I can't wait to tell
you what I think. So I need to hear, Toots,
what are your thoughts about this thing?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Okay, let's do this, maybe just just you guys, know,
just question some of the theories along along with it,
but initially films way too so just on a regular
human mom slash old lady, I respect movies to go
them on from me.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It has a super Twilight sots and that Twilight Zone
loves to work backwards and when it in regards to
like the stories and the irony and the twists and
all kinds of stuff. I really love that especially. No,
I'm not going to spoil this because if you're willing
to watch to give your life away for two and
a half hours, it is kind of worth it for
the ending alone, because it's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
No, oh no.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, because it's great. It's an extremely slow build up
and an extremely slow burn, but it absolutely turns itself
around at the end. And honestly, if you were in
Bradley Cooper's shoes throughout this entire movie, you're in it
to win it, and at the end you're like, nah,
I have to I'm bowing out. I can't do this,
I can't, I can't. And the thing is Bradley Cooper
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doesn't have that. His decision is I'm all in because
he's got nuts at this point. And it's interesting that
he was given warnings throughout the entire movie is don't
bite off more than you can chew.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So, uh, it is a fascinating movie, Don't get me wrong,
it's it's a very good movie. Actually, Giamo del Toro
really stretched his arm on this one as far as
creativity is concerned. As far as lengthwise, I can't imagine
as a director being able to direct an hour and
a half movie, let alone to two hours thirty. So
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my hat's off. My hat's off to a director like
that who can actually corral all of these amazing actors
together and do the damn thing the way he did.
Oh sidebar again. Uh. This is his second graphic novel
that he worked with as far as I'm concerned, Right,
how Boy was his first? Yep, So you know, good
for him. This, this is this seems to be the
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his his nightmare, Ellie. It seems to be the things
that he seems to enjoy the most is working with
stories like this, you know, which is really cool.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, Giambo is gonna geek. They're gonna get him to geek.
They're gonna get him to do it. Gable's going geek
it up. Very good points, very very good points. It
was long, This is a long movie. We accidentally paused
halfway Dude's was like the still half of his damn
thing to what They were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like genuinely pissed. It was at an hour thirty and
I was like, how the.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Long is this movie?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I was genuinely upset, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It was good.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Though it was, it was good.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I'm just old.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We're just oldse wash hit hit Me Man, hit Man,
Nightmare Alley.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I can't. I just can't.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
First off, full disclosure, I'm a Bradley Cooper stat I
love Bradley Cooper alias Boy Bradley Cooper's the man.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
This movie.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
The first act is amazing, It is oscar worthy, It
is awesome. The second acts third acts of this movie
are hot freaking messes. There are seven movies wrapped up
in the last let's talk about this too, in a
thirty minute hour of like ordeal that we go through.
(29:13):
Not to say it's not interesting, right, I'm with two dy.
I'm not to say it's not good, but what we're
going through is not cohesive in any real way, shape
or form. They literally take a character, a main character
and just go you walk over here for I don't know,
(29:35):
like forty minutes and then come on back out.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No one will know what will happen.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But like really, like two three months has passed in
real like lifetime, and Judy's like, oh, I have some
questions full disclosure. Your boy Brian had questions too, and
he had to go to the internets to find out
in the nets because missus Claire Blanchett a lover, I
didn't understand, and what the hell happened in that scene?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I was like, what the hell is going on right now?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
When I when I found out, I don't know that,
it made me that much more like impressed with it,
just because like what he wants to do is getting
lost just in this this time and nah, yeah, like
(30:27):
all I can say is duty.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I yelled at the television too. I was like, are
you like I have I have things to do, right.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And and it ended.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I literally just sat for him and I turned everything
off and I sat and I went and here's my
issue with with this film, And Mike said it first
literal thing he said, And it's my issue with films
like this in general. I don't necessar necessarily love films
that have no redeemable characters anywhere in it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You know, what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I like Bradley Cooper's character. I'm an ex salesman, like,
I get it. It's fun. I like mentalism. But the
most redeemable character in this is.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
His wife, who got pushed away in forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
And when you stop and think about if she's redeemable,
it's like, well you win along along with it this
hot mess nonsense. So those are my initial thoughts about
Nightmare Alley. Not to say it's a bad film, but
I can definitely see why. Oh fun fact, sixty million
dollars budget. Thank you for the numbers so versus Aginstro's
(31:49):
boy sixty five. I know, Dudy, I did the same look.
I was like, I didn't expect that at all. So well, yeah,
my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's funny, like I think this film would have been
better served as a series like on FX or something
like that, you know what I mean, Like a series
on HBO, and let Germo really breathe with these characters
and let them develop a bit stronger, because Washington.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Really dreadful vibes.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, like petty dreadful evil. You said the Twilight Zone
where it's where it's kind of like lessons learned right,
And I think a lot of these characters because there's
and Wash said it like, it's just it's kind of jarring.
The time jumps, right, the time jumps are kind of
nuts because he's like, he gets to the carnival and
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then he's just part of the family. How long did
that take? Months? Years? They decide to leave the carnival,
he's completely set up doing big, giant shows. How long
did that take? Aunts? They said two years?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right, there were certain scenes that were way too slow,
and certain scenes that they were.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Way too quick.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I've always loved you, I've always had my eye on you.
Let's walk away, Let's.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Run away together.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, because I thought he was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They did make it obvious, to be fair, to be
fair to the movie, they did make it obvious that
the second he got to the carnival, the first thing
he did was he looked at her and he noticed her,
you know what I mean. So they kind of did
imply that that was going to be a thing. Speaking
of those since we're there, my question, Tony Collette, she
just the ho or like what's going on there? She
(33:37):
saw just like have sex with men? Or is it
just that she found Bradley Cooper attractive, and was her
husband Phil or Paul or whatever his name was, okay with.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Paul, I think I think Paul. I think Tony Collett's
character was looking for uh to something to vamp up
her amp her, vamp up her act. And this is
the this is the prettiest face that came to the
carnival and god knows when. And her husband was this
old lush that wasn't paying her really any attention. And
(34:09):
he was mentally checked out because he he broke the
rules that Bradley Cooper broke and so he was kind
of like just defeated, right. He didn't even have a show.
He was just down there helping her out. So I
think she saw young blood and jumped on it as
a as a as a like enchantress almost.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And to the I'm gonna go the opposite route a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
He's I don't want to use the the the word
you use because it seems disrespectful to me. But wow, no, man,
it's it's the carnival. Like you know what, it's thedel.
(34:52):
What happens in.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
The hay barrel stays in the hay barrel. The sad clown. Yeah,
no way, he's sad. It's you know, it's very Venice
beach vibes. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You're walking on the tennis beach on the boardwalk, and
it's like, well, what happened last night?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Oh well, you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Know he got out hit. The geek got out man.
You don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yes, yes, I did enjoy the carnival setting, like, oh,
beautiful films take advantage of this nineteen forties like Carnival,
like just just the wild West if if that's a thing,
like it feels Old West in the nineteen forties, nineteen
thirties late and thus, yeah, I did really enjoy the
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time period.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, thank you for mentioning the time period. In the
stage production and the dread and the costuming. It's Giermo
del Toro. He paid. He spares no expense with this
kind of stuff, right, he always knocks it out the park.
But to watch his point, I love movies in this timeframe,
like ever since I was a kid. I love remember
(35:58):
The Shadow with Alec when where he played that superhero.
It was it was set in the nineteen twenties and
rowing thirties, in the forties and stuff, and like Billy
Zane with the Shadow. I mean that shadow. The Phantom
also set like a pulp action hero. So this being
like a pulp horror film is right up my nightmare alley,
so to speak, where it almost has a horror film. No,
(36:22):
I would say it it's like a suspense sawmost it's
like a crime.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's like a suspense suspense er.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, because and that was kind of like my things,
like definitely noir. Yeah, like it's Giemo has this beautiful
way of grounding something so much but still making you
feel like you're in another world. And that Carnival always
makes you feel like you're in another world. Walking into
the mouth of the funhouse, you know what I mean.
(36:49):
What a beautiful shot of that demon mouth rising up
with the water, you know what I mean, the his
the Roamy Marra character in the electric chair being shocked
in putting on the show and tricking that that that
sheriff beautifully written.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, that's That's my favorite scene of the entire film
is when Bradley Cooper absolutely fucking reads him like that
was pure genius. I thought that was Bradley Cooper absolutely
just coming out of his shell and understanding, you know
what I can do this but it makes me wonder
he has been reading the book the entire time. Then
for him to be able to do that, he's been
(37:24):
lying he's been reading the book the entire time, you
know what I mean. So, yeah, that's that's wild to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And it's like, we have to watch the.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Movie to understand exactly what I'm talking about, because there's
the Paul character, the Tony Kolletz husband character. He has
this book that just has all the tricks and trades
of the magic world and how how to become an
actual mentalist, and it's very obvious Bradley Cooper has been
cheating and studying this book. So yeah, it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You earned it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's so gross to me.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's like and it's like, oh, I feel icky like
watching the film and it's like you're.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Trying to have a good time watching the movie and
you're like.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's the passing of an economicon, it's the passing of
the monkeys. Paul, right, it's a gifted, a curse. And
he was and the Frenchman was trying to tell him
the entire time. Never don't get high on your own supply,
don't do spook shows, don't do this, don't do that,
learn from me. But Braddy Cooper was the entire film.
(38:30):
He's been extremely ambitious, and he was drunk on his
own ambition. I don't drink until he starts drinking, right,
you know what I mean? Like his ambition grows so
much that it's a hole in his heart and nothing,
like they mentioned, nothing can feel it, not even his wife,
not even the show. He just wants more and more.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I always felt that a Claire blandcheit character was unnecessary,
but she actually was extremely vital the story. Like, yes,
she extended the movie a lot longer, but now we
understand why he's doing the things he does. Now we
understand we ended up going coming full circle into understanding
the beginning as to why he had to get rid
(39:13):
of the person in the beginning. I don't know if
I should spoil it or not spoiling.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, this is we have to we okay, because
this If this movie loses, this is the last time
we're ever talking about it.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, m oh, that's true. Okay. So in the beginning
of the film, it opens up with probably confer throwing,
tossing a body and burning the house down with the body.
It turns out that the body that he was burning
was his father, right. That's that's why I gathered from it.
What I liked about the movie is its cut when
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Kate Lunchett, who is apparently a psychologist in the film,
she's she's trying to figure him out because she knows
for a fact she can get over on him. Fuck
you that you're a mentalist. I got you. She was
playing his game the entire time he went in. He
read her, you have a gun, and I bet you
have it because you don't like yourself so much and
(40:03):
you're gonna harm yourself. She pretended to be pretended to
be amazed. The power of a woman, a seductive woman
is absolutely insane and amazing. I love your films because
those are the ones, Those are the nor films are
the ones that love to sorry, love to tackle that
that idea that a woman is a Soultier seductress who's
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going to sit there and convince you and be able
to make you weak and and question your integrity and
absolutely throw away your morals. She became his mistress for
crying out loud, you know so I mean, and I
rel that actually has happened. We've had senators who have
fallen uh to Chinese spies because they slept with them.
(40:49):
This is real life ship that actually happens in the CIA.
So like, it's beautiful to see that that kind of
correlation to Martyn World and how they actually do it,
because it kind of confirms that it does happen. It
does happen on the smallest level, on the largest scale,
it does happen. So it's it's evil to see that
this woman really did jump jump the hoops and fences
(41:11):
and all kinds of shit to make sure that she
can figure him out. She even poked to him, somebody
sexually touched you. You must have been the lesson as
a kid, and not in those words, but she she
alluded to a lot of things that triggered him to say,
fuck you, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. We
had a deal, you have to do this. We had
a deal. I have to take care of you as
you're psychologist, and I will give you the information you
(41:34):
need on my patience in order for you to be
able to mind fuck them. That was their deal, right,
That was the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Was like, huh and the money and yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Well exactly exactly it's really well, I mean, did she
though you know what I mean? So it's like she
was very adamant on and it's and even a bigger
mindfug is that she tells him the money he's not
a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's a big deal to you because you're a small man.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
After she does what he does, exactly after she does
what she does and says what she says, she still
works in his face that I don't need your money.
You need your money one I do. It's more important
to you than it is to me. I'm just teaching
you a lesson.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Wild it's the lesson too. It's it's like to said,
she had him clock from day one, and she was
the perfect.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I want to hear Brian, because Brian looks.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Like he's like, I don't have anything to say. It's no, no,
we're all good.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's just when you talk about the movie and bring
up certain scenes, it's just like I feel dirty, Like
I feel like I got out of a bad sales meeting.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That's the point.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
And they're like, hey, look.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
If you don't go sell this old person and take
all of their money, your job is lost. You're like, oh, okay, sir,
let's go do it well, man, trust me, it's gonna
run well for you.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
It's gonna run all the days of your life.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And then she like literally drives off the lot and
everything breaks and it's like, damn, well bye, it's you.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Know what it is.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's like And to mention that electric scene was her
Electrictra scene was her favorite scene. My favorite scene is
the climax of the film where they're doing the actual
seance and the old rich scary man. It's in the snow,
in the snowfield. Are the snow the snow mas And
Roney Marra's character is not Ruoney Mara. What's her name, Yeah,
(43:35):
Rooney Rooney Mara, thank you. She's she's playing the she's
playing the ghost of his of that man's wife who
shot herself in the face when she found out her
son was killed in World War One. I want to say,
and that that's what happened pretty much. There's a whole
scene where the mom just shoots herself in the face,
(43:55):
like on camera, it's fucking crazy, but the jig is
up right. The old man figures out he's just crying,
you cocksucker, you motherfucker dude. That this whole time. Whole time,
I'm gonna I'm going to ruin you, dude. It just
and it just falls apart so quickly, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And look, I don't want to come out and you know,
have people yelling at me, salesmen all around the world like.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
You, you bastard, You're a betrayer. Look I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
And you know what, Bradley Cooper did provide a tad
bit of hope. In my eyes, he's like, to his
initial reasons, Oh well, we're giving him hope. What's wrong
to let him hope? You know what, it came from
a good place.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Verbally, Okay, you never meant any of it.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Well, but he did say it, So that's all I'm saying.
In his defense, he was aware that. Yeah, I'm at
least giving him.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Bradley Cooper was trying to better.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
All three of us have been impacted by losing somebody
very close to us. How do we feel about somebody
telling us, hey, he's right there, he's right next to you,
he can touch you, he's feeling you right now, Like,
how do you feel about that? I personally, for me,
I find that extremely pandering. I find that extremely insulting.
(45:22):
But when you're lost and you're still grieving, you want
something to hold on to and you want something to
grab right when you're hopeless, you want anything to give
you that hope that also provides an ugly feeling.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Right you know, as someone and let me say this
as someone who's literally going through the grieving process right now,
I ignorance is bliss. Right. If you're ignorant and you
don't understand how these things work, you're looking for anything
to latch on to to have that person come back
into your life. You'll listen to anything that gives you
(45:55):
some kind of glimmer of an idea, of a of
a of a glimpse of the person that you mess
with your whole heart and spirit. But like Tudy said,
if you even have a lick of sense and you
can see through the bs, it's pandering, It's it's condescending,
(46:16):
and it's downright ghoulish to to bring something to literally
bring someone back from the dead that shouldn't be there.
You know what I mean, Like, I don't I don't
like being sold up. I don't like being sold a
bill of goods, you know what I'm saying? Like and
I don't like feeling stupid. And it's like, like, because
(46:37):
someone wants to say your your mom is here right
now and her arm is on her, like, no, she's
in heaven, dude, No, she's she's sore in the spaceway.
She's at the next adventure. She's doing whatever she is,
but she's not doing what you're saying she's doing. And
it's like, I wouldn't want that. That's super daky. It's
like it's bullshit, you know. It's like, but those who
(46:58):
aren't educated are are willing to fall, are willing to
latch on in though it's not even a matter of education.
Is education and grief that you're just willing to do
whatever it takes to feel something that's normal and you
hear something that's familiar. So it's it's preying on sad,
pained people and it's a horrible business.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
And I would like to say that, you know, I
don't know if it's been said, but that is what
makes these two movies so completely separate and together. But
they like both deal with this theme of grief in
this totally different phrase, but each way is like very
(47:41):
real and substantial, and you're like, oh, I kind of
get that, you know what I mean, and thus, yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
That's what makes it interesting.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
What are you willing to do to bring your loved
one back or to feel their presence? Are you going
to create a robot child it's a pet cemetery, or
to bring your child back? Are you going to let
this man swindled you out of hundreds of thousands of
dollars to give you a glimpse of hopes simply because
you missed your loved ones. Very good, very good conversation.
(48:16):
But you know what, in the time it is, it's
time to break this bad boy down. It's time to say,
who do you have. In the past, it would be
me in Wash breaking our heads together, and one of
us would have to concede to the other to have
a victor. Now that Toots is the wild card. Toots
(48:37):
is the breaking of the backs. We will have a
victory on one way or another, and I love that.
That makes it so much more dynamic. So I will
let Wash go first by saying who he thought, who
he wanted to win, and who now he's choosing to win.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Ah, it has not changed. I did think about this
straight up until the final minutes of this cast, because
for me, astro Boy is fantastic, but it's a kid's
movie and a lot of kid ways and I am
a forty six year old man, so that's rough. Nightmare
(49:17):
Ally first act is fantastic. The rest of the movie
is just a hot freaking mess. So it did leave
me a lot to leave with that said, I did
enjoy both, but for me, and after I finished my
nightmare Ally viewing, I happen to speak with a friend
(49:37):
and they're like, well, which one would you recommend?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
And I was like, astro Boy two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
There you go, astro Boy two thousand died. All right,
I guess this is my turn, then, astro Boy. That's
one for ashtro Boy. Yeah. I think Wash kind of
hit the nail on the head. Astro Boy was a
fun watch with some deeper tones and went pretty quick.
(50:10):
It was a pretty quick watch, you know. It kind
of kept its pace. And I think what's destroying a
lot of our choices is pace. Like a lot of
these movies don't have good pace, and it's and it's
breaking their backs. That's what happened with Persepiblely, you know
what I mean, That's what happened, and that's kind of
what's happening with Nightmare Alley is that I feel like
this is a great premise. I feel like this is
(50:32):
a smart film. And I love both of these movies.
I think they're both great, But I just feel like
Nightmare Alley was bid off. Nightmare Alley bid off more
than they can chew, you know what I mean in
regards to all everything, and they went to cover Wash
mentioned there's seven movies in one movie with Nightmare Alley,
and it's trying to do a lot. It's trying to
(50:52):
tell a lot of stories at the same time, like
you could have had a whole arc of Rooney Merris's
character and how she was going through and from our
point of view, you can have a whole art. I
would love to know more about the Clayte Manchett, the
manchet character, what's her background, why is she so? Why
is she the last boss of everything?
Speaker 4 (51:10):
You know?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
But at the same time, Astro Boy holds a very
special place tomorrow, So it's almost nostalgia bait in a way.
And I like the idea of the kind of like
grief turn horribly wrong in the astral Boy. I think
that was done a bit more tastefully than in Nightmare Alley,
(51:31):
where he's literally gooling out people. There's not one redeeming
quality amongst the entire cast outside and everybody's dirty. But
Astro was kind of as a character. Astro is kind
of not innocent, but he's just but he's not also
a brand new human. He has the thoughts of the
original child, so it's not like he's like new to
(51:54):
the world. He's kind of he knows how things are going.
So to give an answer as my answer hasn't changed
between these two films, and it may surprise you, but
I gotta go Astro Boy. I'm going astrol Boy with
this one. I just feel like it's I think it.
I think it has legs in this and this I
think has legs in this tournament. I think it's a
(52:16):
more concise I think both stories are trying to tell
the same story, but Astro Boy tells it better. Probably
thought I was gonna go to Nightmare Ally, but no,
I wanted to go Astro Boy. So, Toots, what was
your choice? What is your what was your choice between
these two films?
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Okay, well, I am a huge fan, like like is amazing.
I don't think there's anything that he can do that's
that's extremely wrong. There's not one thing that he's done
that I have not enjoyed. Like that was terrible. I've
never said that was terrible about anything that Carmona too
has done, including Night Rally. It's only long because I'm
old and maybe I have of h what is it
(53:01):
called a ADHD, you know, undiagnosed. We'll see, but uh yeah,
I loved nimer Ali Actually it was an an extremely
slow burn, a slower burn then then I'm actually used
you to be honest, but nimer Alley was really really good. However,
my pick was an Astro Boy. I don't know if you
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guys can see it.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
But sweep our first sweep.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Boy absolutely wins hands down because, like Mike said, like
bright alluding to this movie, well, this movie is just
absolutely more relatable, to be honest, than nimer Alley. It's
really weird because Nimra Alley deals with the past. Astro
Boy deals with the future, and I think we as
human beings are kind of cleaning closer to what's happening
when Astro Boy, you know, we already know Elon Musk
(53:48):
is willing and ready to set a ship off some
people to Mars, you know, so like we're we're trying
to get off this planet one play or another. So
there's like this weird reality involved in it. So on
top of the way that it deals with grief, and
because it's the children's movie, like like we alluded to
and kick ass with the last review, kids need to
(54:09):
understand how to grief properly. Unfortunately, parents are passing away
more suddenly and more used to than we're expecting because
of health and diets and et cetera, et cetera and whatever.
But you know, times are changing. The morality, the mortality
of a hum adult is actively changing as we sit
here for unfortunately and for many reasons. So we don't
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have a lot of children to have and are going
to do a lot of grief. And the Astra Why
adds an element of hope that is not false. The
way night alliant night allies an absolute lyme merit. It's
a beautiful title for an actually one. A nightmare too
lives in this revolving door of lives. Nobody, no liar
is happy. Nobody who constantly lies is happy in real life.
(54:54):
In movies and wherever you can write the character you
cannot write a happy character who lies constantly. It's impossible.
So yeah, astra Boy hands down. As far as like
Mouli ratings are concerned, I gave my Rally a six
out of ten. I gave astro Boy out of ten Brian.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Something eight out of ten. All right, Uh, they were
still about sex six six six point two for me,
so they were they were close. It was a tight, tight,
tight race for me.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
But yeah, ultimately astro Boy, if I had a number eight,
I would give like Ally like a three point five
out of five, and I would give astrol Boy, give
Astual like a four. You know what I mean, I
got a perfect film up and you know, but but
you know, like I said, they both talked, it's so
strange that these got paired because they have the same themes.
(55:38):
You know what I mean that the their themes are grief,
the themes of really wild. That's super weird, right, I
promise you people, this is random select. We did not
choose the random select.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
We recorded it recorded.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
So you just losing somebody, you know what I mean,
Like our our our little Emma Can family just lost
a very valuable player and in our family. You know
what I mean, so we're literally griefing right now in
our own way, and all three of us have experienced
greef already in losing our parents or just it doesn't
really matter who it is. Grief is grief, and losing
somebody very important to you is really hard to get through.
(56:13):
So it's an interesting thing what this is. And it
maybe you know, uh, the Internet gods, the constant gods
just reading down us and like giving us shitty, shitty stream,
but also giving us this idea that we that you know,
of opening our minds or expanding our minds to what
these movies are trying to tell us. So it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
I want interesting. I just want to say that whatever
Internet gods are listening, we get it, you know what
I mean. You don't need to you don't need to think.
You don't need to sabotage our stream to make a point,
you know what I mean. Tudy is such a champion,
you know, robiding through Astro Boy. That is hilarious in
retrospect Astro Boy. It's like, it'll be funny if it
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wasn't so frustrating, you know what I mean. But we
but this is m O T N we're we're tough
over here. We muscle through and we figure that when
something bad happens, we figure it out and roll with
the next punch because we're champions over here. You know
what I'm saying. We get ship done, you know what
I'm saying. And like this episode, this bad Boy is done,
(57:19):
Astro Boy is going on to the next round to
fight kick Ass. Is how that's gonna line up. So
in round two it's gonna be Astro Boy versus kick Ass.
We're gonna have to rewatch these.
Speaker 4 (57:32):
Movies again and have to re watch them again.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
We have to watch these movies are good because it
has to be fresh the brain.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
That's a little too much.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
We still got two other rounds.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Right, No, But if night Mara were to win, were
you about to sit out and watch two and a
half hours at night?
Speaker 1 (57:53):
See, I'm committed, I'll watch. I'll eat the ship. I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
There was no way. I'm like, I'll watch it.
Speaker 4 (58:01):
Fine.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Fine. I would like to just say, as you're talking
about the next match up in round two, we still
have next uh next cast round one battle and that
is going to be a good one.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Pilgrim versus the World versus Old Boy.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I don't even know what that's gonna be. Dark, God, Yeah,
it's gonna be rough, be literally rough, perfect. This was
a I cannot wait. I don't even know what that's
going to amount to. Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, O G
(58:40):
O G O G O G version. Yeah, Korean version,
in Korean versus Scott pilgrin versus the World with Captain
America and in Ramona Flowers and all that stuff. Dog,
it's gonna be fucking fire because I read all the
graphic novels. I love some Scott Pilgrim, so I'm been
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trying to put my bias to the side. You know,
I swung my body to the side. You know. These
random selects are so much fun and it's so good
talking points, and I'm so happy to be able to
do this with you guys for this MLT and event
that happens. What once a year we're gonna do these
random selects and just choose something or twice year, depends
(59:22):
on what our fancy is. So what I would like
to do is just ask the team, is there any
final thoughts on this challenge, on this versus any final
thoughts on Nightmare? Ali because we're probably never gonna talk
about this thing ever again.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Way to go, Toby. I did not think you had
it in you. I thought I was coming in here
swinging by myself in the corner, gonna lose big time.
I am super happy with the turniverse today.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
So it's smiled upon you a thousand blessings on your head.
Speaker 5 (59:58):
Yeah, good boy, boy had all the marks in the
right places.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
They had all the marks in the right places.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, told story, followed it through. They didn't have to
wiggle waggle, didn't have to go through all these twist
and turns. You got it, and you and you root
it for the kid all the way through Morbid Dark, we're.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Dealing with a dead child. We're literally like we are.
The kid's dead the entire time, and we're still interacting
with him. Very morbid movie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
The kid was not dead.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
It's dead.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Just like there's an Oscar winner when that other billboard,
by the way, it's two times two time Oscar. I
don't give a ship man and she got smoked, and
I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Not fair, it's not fair. They weren't an astro boy dog,
they didn't tell noyone told them not to be an
astro boy. They could have been a robot and they
could have been like a dust pan or something and
killed it. But hey, it's blood thirsty out here in
the nerd Verse. Baby, it's blood thirsty and random select,
so let's go ahead close this out. We hit the hour,
bark through the fire, through the windows to the walls,
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Welcome to the Nerdiverse. Go ahead, sit and listen to
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the masters of the Nerdiverse. Welcome back, Nerdiverse. This is
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the second round of mot and Random Select, where we
choose eight random genre films and our group goes through
the gauntlet and figuring out which of these eight films
is the absolute best. I'm, of course Mike g happy
to give introductions all around. First, let's start off with
(01:15):
the ultimate one herself, toudy odin. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Tod Hey, good afternoon, How are you guys that's fingers
crossed for this one.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, we're already fighting the elements on this one. Secrets.
Speaking of secrets, no one has more secrets than the
Jedi Master himself. Wash, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It's a secret?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yes, everything as well, Mike, thank you. I appreciate that, buddy.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
All is well, All welcome. There's peace and serenity in
the light.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Absolutely, let's get happen and wassimile Dasa Sile stays and
washes Dasa Sile exactly.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
All right?
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Is that some kind of like is that some galaxy's
edge Rube, I don't know about. It goes down, It's
going down in the dust style, It's going down, going down.
We got two crazy movies we're talking about. One is
a Giebo dol Toro original, which technically is not original
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because these are all graphic based off graphic novels. So
this is a Giebo dough Toro directed telling of Nightmare
Alley versus. Some would say it's the very first animated
character animation anime character of all time. Two thousand and
nine's own Astro Boy. So I wanted to ask around
the room, starting with Toots, how do you feel about
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these two strange movies going head to head.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
All right, let's do this again. You know what, I
was actually trying to find a common ground between the
two because they are very unique. Obviously, one is animated,
one is not. That's the biggest difference between the two.
One is somewhat of a horror film or thriller, whatever
you want to call it. The other is a fun,
loving kid movie. The only common ground that I can
(03:10):
find between the two is people die in both, which is.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Interesting, very interesting. That is a comedy denominator that will
be explored. Wash. What is your thoughts on these two
strange movies finding themselves in the gauntlet.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Here in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I had never seen either of these movies, So for me,
putting both these movies in a gauntlet and swishing them
around within i want to say, seventy two hours of
each other was a interesting, unique experience. And I did
go with a shot of Astroboy with Nightmare ally as
the chaser, So I don't know if things would have
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went differently. I went the opposite route, but that's where
we're at. So, yeah, the interesting battle. I've been thinking
about it since, you know, it was next up. And
you know, they're just two different but similar films.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Very good call out two different but very similar themes
in these films. And from my experience, I've seen both
movies at some point in my life, but only like
once or twice. I've never like dived into these are
like healing from the rooftops for either, but I enjoyed both.
So these being pinned together, as two said, it's really
(04:30):
kind of like Apples and Origins, animated versus versus live action,
you know what I mean, your drama versus high tech,
you know, futurism. But there are common ground themes that
make this a fair fight, honestly, So I'm curious to
see what everybody thinks about these films and how they
stack up against each other. And just like before, we've
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already had our picks, correct, everybody has their in mind pick.
And at the end, they're gonna if your mind changes,
we have to devoge that your mind change paper. By
the way, Michael, it's all in here, baby, all right,
I'll put it on my phone. I'll put it on
my phone. Up, I'll put it on my phone.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
As we speak, I'm just gonna write it out here
because I already know which one I want to win. Perfect,
all right, So let's go ahead get this show on
the road, shall we. So let's start off with astro Boy.
Let's do a quick breakdown of astro Boy before we
dive in Astral Boys, a two thousand and nine film
directed by David Bowers. The synopsis is when an android
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replica of a boy is rejected by his aggrieved creator,
he goes off to find his own identity and an
adventure that would make him the greatest hero of his time.
Did you know? The character of astral Boy first appeared
in print as a manga in nineteen fifty two by
Osamo tk Zua. The manga was adopted into television shows
in nineteen sixty three nineteen eighty. In two thousand and three,
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Like I said, this is probably the very first anime
ever made. There's a lot of pedigree that comes behind
this film. So I just wanted to get everybody's initial
thoughts on astral Boy. Let's start with watch what were
your thoughts about this film?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
Okay, astro Boy two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
First off, the history that you're talking about, I did
not know at all walking into it. So I went
to the old Roku machine and I typed in astro Boy,
and then like seven different astro boys appear before me,
and I'm like, uh, well, what's all this? So I
went to two thousand and nine and our friend Nick
(06:44):
Cage from our first Round film was also happened to
be in this, which I was like, hey, I'm stoked.
Fun fact this film cost sixty five million dollars to
make fly. So so my thoughts on it, I liked it.
It's a nice kid friendly film. I thought that when
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we talk about themes, it does deal with some fairly
adult themes, which I thought like they really did grief
very well in this and the depiction of it and
what one might go through if one had the resources.
So that's more the adult ish theme.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
But for me, like.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
We are literally, I don't know, like two weeks away
from this future in like real time in twenty twenty five.
So when I'm watching it, and then I started thinking
about all this deep lore and what you know, folks
in the nineteen fifties were thinking about the future would
look like we're almost right there. So Astro Boy, for me,
especially someone who's involved or with AI who pays attention
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to robotics. It's like, man, this future is kind of
not too far off, And if this was hiding in
someone's closet and it was on CBS tomorrow, I would
not at all be surprised the movie. I had a
good time with it. I had a good time with it.
I thought that the Earth being removed from the planet
(08:16):
to save itself. Hey man, I'm not throwing out ideas,
but you know, there may be a population or two
that's like, this isn't a bad idea, And I went,
it's certainly creative.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So I did it like that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I did not like the fact that they threw away
all the robots and kind of made robot trash out
of them, because dude, they're robots, So like, you know,
be nice to robots. Trust me, they may uprise and
you don't want to be fighting astro Boy on the streets.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Of LA That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
That's initial thoughts, perfect perf Toot's late laid on as
what are your digitial thoughts of this film?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Okay, so this is exactly what I wrote down, and
I kind of was my camera. I wrote down Morbid beginning, Hell, middle, Morbid, middle,
and classic. So this is the very first words I
actually wrote when it came to take you knows Astra
because I feel like that's the that's exactly the FORMU
that that that it kind of followed when the first
when the movie first started, I was like, how is
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this for kids? Like, obviously, how is this for kids?
Like kid dies like almost immediately at the beginning, And Uh,
it's it's you know, it's it's sad, but it's not
too sad, you know what I mean, Like, like Brian said,
it's it's kind of done well. And Bill bill Ny
has one of the best lines in the movie to me.
He says, if you lose your son and you don't
go crazy, then there's something wrong with you. Because obviously
(09:49):
they're they're watching the doctor go nuts and trying to
figure out how to bring his son back in a
robot form, right, which you know eventually becomes astro Boy,
And you know, so there as as taken aback as
they are about his reaction to his son's death, they
are they're letting him. They're they're letting him, They're letting
him do it, which is which I thought was pretty interesting. Uh,
(10:13):
and then the other aspect that Brian brought up was
was was something that I noticed immediately is that you know,
the majority of Earth is now no longer inhabitable apparently,
and so they moved the part that is is habitable
away from the entire planet. It's literally just floating out
in the air. So I thought that was pretty interesting.
And not the first time we've seen it. We've seen
(10:34):
it in Wally, We've seen uh, the Simpsons predicted it
similarly in the Treehouse of four episode, And yeah, the
astra Boy, I was trying to see what I can
find common Growtha, and I know the story. I've seen
it before. I think there's a seventies or sixties version
that I that I watched very long time ago, and
that's the only one I've ever seen. That's the only
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thing about Astraboy that I that I really know, to
be honest. Uh, But yeah, Full Little Alchemist is another
one that comes to mind that it kind of reminds
me of just a little bit. But yeah, initially I
I'm really sad, and then not. It's super cute. Actually,
it's a very very cute films for.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Sure, absolutely just out of curiosity too. So are you
hearing me clearly by chance? Am I coming in clearly? Okay,
you're you're clear, but you are roboting a little bit,
so no worries. So I just wanted to ask. I'm
gonna give my thoughts if you can hop in and
hop back out and while I might and seve that
(11:32):
clears it up maybe a little bit. Okay, Yeah, that's
what I'm thinking would helped clear with the with our
roboting issue, you know what I mean. And I'm just
gonna kind of kind of hit on those touch on
your basis as well, because you just hit a lot
of really good notes, especially like with the comparison to
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like other media where the Earth kind of separated from
itself kind of reminds me of the Jetsons in a
weird way, you know what I mean, kind of like
how humanity just stopped messing with the Earth itself and
built sky skycastles, you know what I mean. Also reminded
me of for you. Yeah, everything's done for you. It's
(12:18):
like Elysium, right, remember that movie Alesia with Matt Damon
where it's like the krem Dela Krem is in the sky,
but everyone on Earth is suffering. And this film in
two thousand and nine touches on that very well. Toots
also alluded this to earlier, so I'll get full credit
to the Odin and comparing this movie to almost like
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pet cemetery, you know what I mean. I wanted to
not let that slip.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Because we accidentally potted on site totally by accident, And yes,
I probably should have said that for the cast, but yeah,
it was. It's definitely not be cemetery. Vibeach, especially at
the beginning. The beginning of this movie is wild.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What would you do if your child was Lord? Yeah,
so that doctor has a lot to answer for. And
if this wasn't in the gaze of a child film,
this would be a horror a body horror film, because
he's discovering his abilities in very Cronenberg like ways. He
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gets thrown out of a window and his legs auto
transform into rockets, you know what I mean. Let that
be spider legs. That we're playing a different game, you
know what I mean, Like as a child, right, there's
themes of a heavy grief, like Brian mentioned, like wash
mention that you can the grief is palpable, and his
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decisions vilify him until they don't he's redeemed kinda, but
he did a horrible thing in creating this monster, which
is astro boy Frankenstein's monster in a bit of a way,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Ah, you know what, I hadn't even considered the whole
Frankenstein thing until you're literally just mentioning it. And this
is where like this movie gets kind of weird and
it's like this kid's movie, but there's this much more
adult type of thing that is happening within the movie,
and that Frankenstein theme that's almost makes me.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like, look at Nick Cage's character even worse.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
That's what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Because from one end, at like like two, Dy's mentioned it,
you know, the grief in It's like, yeah, you feel
for this guy. But then when you start talking about
creating Frankenstein's monster and his reasons, it's like, oh, that's
not that's not super clean cut anymore, is it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
No, the the father figure, the doctor is very much
Doctor Frankenstein, right. He is trying to use all of
his resources to resurrect his literally dead son. But it's
it's his job too, you not his job.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
It's not like he said, you know, it was like.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Working in his own lab, somewhere in the far depths
of something. He's like working at his lab.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You know what it was. It said it early, say
something too, so I just want to make sure you're
coming in clear hello a little better. So yeah, I
was like, dude, it's I was like, guess what he
gets to do now? He gets to rebuild his son
on the government's dime because his son got killed in
a training accident, you know what I mean. Like, it's
(15:27):
it's and that's anime and too, it's so anime, right,
it's the childhood themes and what an undercurrent of adult
drama and adult pain. And you got to think about
when this movie, when this character was created in nineteen
fifty two, this is right after World War Two, you
know what I mean? This is on the cusp of
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here of Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima and all that stuff.
He's he's just about as old as Godzilla, honestly. So
it's like what drives a person to create this pain
whole story about losing a child and using technology to
bring them back. You know, of all those people who
passed away and yeah, Pearl Harbor, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Their stories I've been told of young couples or young
fathers losing their sons, and you know, it seems like
it hits very close to home when it comes to
Japan in that time of that that that era.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, it's a theory. No I I have a straight
through line to that. That's what I'm exactly what I'm
saying is that.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Sorry, did I say for Harbor, I meant I meant Hiroshima.
That's what I meant.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Same. Yes, there lives in Hawaii. So it's like like
the grief of a parent manifested into I will do
anything and what and what's in what's Morris pat Cemetery
that the child Astro is not Timu at all. Yes,
hees glimpses of his son, but it's not as same
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son body without Toby. I'm sorry, did I say t.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Shop this?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Shouted yourself? Your bro just straws.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I got five hundred straws out cheap cheap suits. Uh,
that's not racist at all. But yeah, Toby is not Astro.
And it's like the super pet Cemetery thing where it's
like he brought back the body, but didn't bring back
the soul, you know what I mean. And the father
was disgusted by it and bandished him from the lands,
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you know what I mean, of his own creation. And
that's when Astro went to planet Earth and found out
there's a whole contingency of humans still living down there
and grinding it out with junk part robots and they're
having a good bummy time, you know what I mean.
So there's a lot that goes That's a lot that's
going on in this film, even the Final Boss being
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an amalgamation of just political just bloodthirsty dis all the
guy what it was to get re elected. All the
villain wanting was to just get re elected. You know.
He became a He became a homunculous of negative energy,
which is a weird metaphor to japad Is talking to
somebody right there, I one real quick.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So Donald Sutherland, Donald Sutherland and Nicholas Cage did a
terrible job that was acting this for these roles. So
you guys, this is my own personal opinion. I don't
think Donald Sutherland really wanted to even do the movie
in the first place. I I feel like he barely
looked at the script, barely looked at his lines, and
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just like.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
They both.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Good.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
He was great. Yeah, I thought he was great. That
was like Donald's killing it.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Man, they slept walked through these rolls. I just wore
a good elected acting the you know what I mean.
But I don't know. Maybe I think I thought that
I thought Ashtoy's voice acting was strong. I thought the
female protagonist's voice acting was strong. Kristen, Kristen Bell.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Kristin Kristen, Kirsten.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Kirsty anything close to hell Raiser. So, uh my thoughts. Yeah,
just to wrap things up, Yeah, I love ashtrol Boy
has a special place in my heart because that was
the very first s I wrote in art school was
about the birth of anime and it was about astro Boy.
So I've always loved astro Boy. I don't talk about
it a lot, but he is like my very first
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college paper was on astro Boy.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Say, I don't think that there's enough astro Boy love,
especially as Tuty was trying to put together some marketing
for this this, this this reel or this this video,
and it's like you start looking online and it's like, man,
do people even know.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
About astro boy really or not so much?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
And I mean I didn't, I didn't, I didn't know
and Thus, even after I got done watching it, I
was like, well, let me go check out some of
this old stuff because I don't know anything.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
About this and this dude's kind of cool. So I
will say.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
One of the fun things that it made me think
about this movie, and it doesn't necessarily have much to
do with astro Boy, but just robots versus robots, just
all types of robots versus robots, you.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
And I was thinking to myself with the big bad
robot that Donald Sutherland plays versus.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Like the robot from Robotcop. Who's the second RoboCop like
two nine, yeah, at two all nine.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
For some reason, as I was watching the movie, I
was like, dude, this is great, Like this movie just
has a really fun theme and I think they could
get a lot of legs out out of it. You know,
it's gonna want to put some time into it now.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You say that. But there's a lot of RoboCop too
in this movie, where you know, like the a RoboCop
where they made RoboCop two. The main villain, Kane, was
a bad guy whose saul was put into a robot
and he had and he all he wanted was this
drug called nuke, so his chair his chest piece would
open up and like grab for it, and they would
(21:12):
have to put the duke in his chest, just like
they put the negative energy in the robots chest with it,
and he's fighting the original version of himself is it's
like a lot of RoboCop thinking.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Of Robot Rogue Bowl Cop two.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
When I was watching this movie and just didn't make
like the correlation.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Maybe like in the corners of your mind, like some
kind of weird I didn't. That's some kind of weird
symbiosis of thought, like you just put the bug. You
just put the bug in my head, Doug, you know,
any final thoughts on astro BOYD before we talk about
its combatant?
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yep, all right, shout out the RF Squad. I like
those guys.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Those those dudes are real. They had a mission and
they failed, and that's okay. They failed. They were gonna
tickle that guy with a feather.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
They were literally programmed to fail and they could not.
Absolutely impossible for them to just you know, not follow
the It's just really funny. It's just good robot humor.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I think the RF Squad rules. I was almost want
a T shirt with those with those ragtag one was
just like a mailbox. That that's flap spoke.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
What patriots refrigerator?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I think, yeah, they like this. Those those guys are patriots. Dog,
Don't don't get them, don't. They'll talk to me about
the r r F squad, Doug, Uh, speaking of I
don't even know where to start with this damn thing.
All right, Nightmare Alley, directed by Gierbo del Toro. The
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synopsis A grifter working his way from a low ranking
carnival worker to a lauded psychic media matches wits with
a psychologist bent on exposing him. Did you know that?
Bradley Cooper claimed that many of the tabletop props in
the film were actual possessions of the director himself. Makes
if if you see Germo do Toro's house, you know
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exactly how the stuff came from his.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
If you've seen half his films, you're like, what is
what is that show that he show?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
I forgot what it's called.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
It was only very it was good. Uh, yeah, it's
called cured him.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Like the Cabinet of something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah, the Cabinet of Curiosities or something like that, right, Cabinet.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Of curiosity something. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I think
that's yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty neat little show.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah. He was like the crypt Keeper and it's like
this giant like curio cabinet of like stories that Misses
Fire watched that. I think I kind of want to
go first on this one, if it's okay, because I
have I have some things to say about this one.
I've seen this like once once or twice, and lately
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Geirmo's been kind of hit or missed with me, you
know what I mean, just in regards to just maintaining
my interest in his films. Like Crimson Peak was one
that I went into very excited and was just kind
of like, oh man, this wasn't what I kind of
paid for. It was a romance. It was a legit
romance film, but through the lens of Gearmo del Toro.
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And in watching this one, as the police come and
find me because I'm a bad man, I'm a bad
bad I'm sorry, I just got to get that out
by system. This one took me for surprise because I
wasn't sure if it was supernatural or if it wasn't
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til the absolute very end, until it's the cat's completely
out the bag, you know, what I mean. And I
liked that about this film that you don't really know
Bradley Cooper's character until the very the end, and you
realize just how irredeemable he is, and it makes it
kind of hard to root for anybody in this movie,
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you know what I mean. Everybody has kind of like
their agenda that they're trying to push. So, yeah, I
really enjoyed this one. I really enjoyed the themes of
like of like flying too close to the sun. He
was really just icorous, wasn't he. He started smelling, he
started getting high on his own supply, and he left
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around and found out, you know what I mean. I
think that's just really kind of a through line of
this story. So let's start with Toots, what are your
What were your because I've been aching to hear what's
your thoughts arery because you'd be kind of shadow dropping,
like Mike, I can't talk to you about this film, Mike,
I can't talk to you. I can't wait to tell
you what I think. So I need to hear, Toots,
what are your thoughts about this thing?
Speaker 6 (25:51):
Okay, let's do this, maybe just just you guys, know,
just question some of the theories along along with it,
but initially films way too so just on a regular
human mom slash old lady, I respect movies to go
them on from me.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It has a super Twilight sots and that Twilight Zone
loves to work backwards and when it in regards to
like the stories and the irony and the twists and
all kinds of stuff. I really love that especially. No,
I'm not going to spoil this because if you're willing
to watch to give your life away for two and
a half hours, it is kind of worth it for
the ending alone, because it's like, oh.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
No, oh no.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
No, because it's great. It's an extremely slow build up
and an extremely slow burn, but it absolutely turns itself
around at the end. And honestly, if you were in
Bradley Cooper's shoes throughout this entire movie, you're in it
to win it, and at the end you're like, nah,
I have to I'm bowing out. I can't do this,
I can't, I can't. And the thing is Bradley Cooper
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doesn't have that. His decision is I'm all in because
he's got nuts at this point. And it's interesting that
he was given warnings throughout the entire movie is don't
bite off more than you can chew.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
So, uh, it is a fascinating movie, Don't get me wrong,
it's it's a very good movie. Actually, Giamo del Toro
really stretched his arm on this one as far as
creativity is concerned. As far as lengthwise, I can't imagine
as a director being able to direct an hour and
a half movie, let alone to two hours thirty. So
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my hat's off. My hat's off to a director like
that who can actually corral all of these amazing actors
together and do the damn thing the way he did.
Oh sidebar again. Uh. This is his second graphic novel
that he worked with as far as I'm concerned, Right,
how Boy was his first? Yep, So you know, good
for him. This, this is this seems to be the
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his his nightmare, Ellie. It seems to be the things
that he seems to enjoy the most is working with
stories like this, you know, which is really cool.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, Giambo is gonna geek. They're gonna get him to geek.
They're gonna get him to do it. Gable's going geek
it up. Very good points, very very good points. It
was long, This is a long movie. We accidentally paused
halfway Dude's was like the still half of his damn
thing to what They were.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Like genuinely pissed. It was at an hour thirty and
I was like, how the.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Long is this movie?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I was genuinely upset, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It was good.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Though it was, it was good.
Speaker 6 (28:27):
I'm just old.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We're just oldse wash hit hit Me Man, hit Man,
Nightmare Alley.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I can't. I just can't.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
First off, full disclosure, I'm a Bradley Cooper stat I
love Bradley Cooper alias Boy Bradley Cooper's the man.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
This movie.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
The first act is amazing, It is oscar worthy, It
is awesome. The second acts third acts of this movie
are hot freaking messes. There are seven movies wrapped up
in the last let's talk about this too, in a
thirty minute hour of like ordeal that we go through.
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Not to say it's not interesting, right, I'm with two dy.
I'm not to say it's not good, but what we're
going through is not cohesive in any real way, shape
or form. They literally take a character, a main character
and just go you walk over here for I don't know,
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like forty minutes and then come on back out.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
No one will know what will happen.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
But like really, like two three months has passed in
real like lifetime, and Judy's like, oh, I have some
questions full disclosure. Your boy Brian had questions too, and
he had to go to the internets to find out
in the nets because missus Claire Blanchett a lover, I
didn't understand, and what the hell happened in that scene?
Speaker 4 (30:02):
I was like, what the hell is going on right now?
Speaker 3 (30:07):
When I when I found out, I don't know that,
it made me that much more like impressed with it,
just because like what he wants to do is getting
lost just in this this time and nah, yeah, like
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all I can say is duty.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
I yelled at the television too. I was like, are
you like I have I have things to do, right.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
And and it ended.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I literally just sat for him and I turned everything
off and I sat and I went and here's my
issue with with this film, And Mike said it first
literal thing he said, And it's my issue with films
like this in general. I don't necessar necessarily love films
that have no redeemable characters anywhere in it.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You know, what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
And I like Bradley Cooper's character. I'm an ex salesman, like,
I get it. It's fun. I like mentalism. But the
most redeemable character in this is.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
His wife, who got pushed away in forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
And when you stop and think about if she's redeemable,
it's like, well you win along along with it this
hot mess nonsense. So those are my initial thoughts about
Nightmare Alley. Not to say it's a bad film, but
I can definitely see why. Oh fun fact, sixty million
dollars budget. Thank you for the numbers so versus Aginstro's
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boy sixty five. I know, Dudy, I did the same look.
I was like, I didn't expect that at all. So well, yeah,
my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
It's funny, like I think this film would have been
better served as a series like on FX or something
like that, you know what I mean, Like a series
on HBO, and let Germo really breathe with these characters
and let them develop a bit stronger, because Washington.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Really dreadful vibes.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Yeah, like petty dreadful evil. You said the Twilight Zone
where it's where it's kind of like lessons learned right,
And I think a lot of these characters because there's
and Wash said it like, it's just it's kind of jarring.
The time jumps, right, the time jumps are kind of
nuts because he's like, he gets to the carnival and
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then he's just part of the family. How long did
that take? Months? Years? They decide to leave the carnival,
he's completely set up doing big, giant shows. How long
did that take? Aunts? They said two years?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Right, there were certain scenes that were way too slow,
and certain scenes that they were.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Way too quick.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
I've always loved you, I've always had my eye on you.
Let's walk away, Let's.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Run away together.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Yeah, because I thought he was.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
They did make it obvious, to be fair, to be
fair to the movie, they did make it obvious that
the second he got to the carnival, the first thing
he did was he looked at her and he noticed her,
you know what I mean. So they kind of did
imply that that was going to be a thing. Speaking
of those since we're there, my question, Tony Collette, she
just the ho or like what's going on there? She
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saw just like have sex with men? Or is it
just that she found Bradley Cooper attractive, and was her
husband Phil or Paul or whatever his name was, okay with.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Paul, I think I think Paul. I think Tony Collett's
character was looking for uh to something to vamp up
her amp her, vamp up her act. And this is
the this is the prettiest face that came to the
carnival and god knows when. And her husband was this
old lush that wasn't paying her really any attention. And
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he was mentally checked out because he he broke the
rules that Bradley Cooper broke and so he was kind
of like just defeated, right. He didn't even have a show.
He was just down there helping her out. So I
think she saw young blood and jumped on it as
a as a as a like enchantress almost.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
And to the I'm gonna go the opposite route a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
He's I don't want to use the the the word
you use because it seems disrespectful to me. But wow, no, man,
it's it's the carnival. Like you know what, it's thedel.
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What happens in.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
The hay barrel stays in the hay barrel. The sad clown. Yeah,
no way, he's sad. It's you know, it's very Venice
beach vibes. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
You're walking on the tennis beach on the boardwalk, and
it's like, well, what happened last night?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Oh well, you.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Know he got out hit. The geek got out man.
You don't you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
Yes, yes, I did enjoy the carnival setting, like, oh,
beautiful films take advantage of this nineteen forties like Carnival,
like just just the wild West if if that's a thing,
like it feels Old West in the nineteen forties, nineteen
thirties late and thus, yeah, I did really enjoy the
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time period.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Yeah, thank you for mentioning the time period. In the
stage production and the dread and the costuming. It's Giermo
del Toro. He paid. He spares no expense with this
kind of stuff, right, he always knocks it out the park.
But to watch his point, I love movies in this timeframe,
like ever since I was a kid. I love remember
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The Shadow with Alec when where he played that superhero.
It was it was set in the nineteen twenties and
rowing thirties, in the forties and stuff, and like Billy
Zane with the Shadow. I mean that shadow. The Phantom
also set like a pulp action hero. So this being
like a pulp horror film is right up my nightmare alley,
so to speak, where it almost has a horror film. No,
(36:22):
I would say it it's like a suspense sawmost it's
like a crime.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
It's like a suspense suspense er.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, because and that was kind of like my things,
like definitely noir. Yeah, like it's Giemo has this beautiful
way of grounding something so much but still making you
feel like you're in another world. And that Carnival always
makes you feel like you're in another world. Walking into
the mouth of the funhouse, you know what I mean.
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What a beautiful shot of that demon mouth rising up
with the water, you know what I mean, the his
the Roamy Marra character in the electric chair being shocked
in putting on the show and tricking that that that
sheriff beautifully written.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Yeah, that's That's my favorite scene of the entire film
is when Bradley Cooper absolutely fucking reads him like that
was pure genius. I thought that was Bradley Cooper absolutely
just coming out of his shell and understanding, you know
what I can do this but it makes me wonder
he has been reading the book the entire time. Then
for him to be able to do that, he's been
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lying he's been reading the book the entire time, you
know what I mean. So, yeah, that's that's wild to me.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
And it's like, we have to watch the.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Movie to understand exactly what I'm talking about, because there's
the Paul character, the Tony Kolletz husband character. He has
this book that just has all the tricks and trades
of the magic world and how how to become an
actual mentalist, and it's very obvious Bradley Cooper has been
cheating and studying this book. So yeah, it's it's it's.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
You earned it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's so gross to me.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It's like and it's like, oh, I feel icky like
watching the film and it's like you're.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Trying to have a good time watching the movie and
you're like.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's the passing of an economicon, it's the passing of
the monkeys. Paul, right, it's a gifted, a curse. And
he was and the Frenchman was trying to tell him
the entire time. Never don't get high on your own supply,
don't do spook shows, don't do this, don't do that,
learn from me. But Braddy Cooper was the entire film.
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He's been extremely ambitious, and he was drunk on his
own ambition. I don't drink until he starts drinking, right,
you know what I mean? Like his ambition grows so
much that it's a hole in his heart and nothing,
like they mentioned, nothing can feel it, not even his wife,
not even the show. He just wants more and more.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I always felt that a Claire blandcheit character was unnecessary,
but she actually was extremely vital the story. Like, yes,
she extended the movie a lot longer, but now we
understand why he's doing the things he does. Now we
understand we ended up going coming full circle into understanding
the beginning as to why he had to get rid
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of the person in the beginning. I don't know if
I should spoil it or not spoiling.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
I mean, this is we have to we okay, because
this If this movie loses, this is the last time
we're ever talking about it.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
Yeah, m oh, that's true. Okay. So in the beginning
of the film, it opens up with probably confer throwing,
tossing a body and burning the house down with the body.
It turns out that the body that he was burning
was his father, right. That's that's why I gathered from it.
What I liked about the movie is its cut when
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Kate Lunchett, who is apparently a psychologist in the film,
she's she's trying to figure him out because she knows
for a fact she can get over on him. Fuck
you that you're a mentalist. I got you. She was
playing his game the entire time he went in. He
read her, you have a gun, and I bet you
have it because you don't like yourself so much and
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you're gonna harm yourself. She pretended to be pretended to
be amazed. The power of a woman, a seductive woman
is absolutely insane and amazing. I love your films because
those are the ones, Those are the nor films are
the ones that love to sorry, love to tackle that
that idea that a woman is a Soultier seductress who's
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going to sit there and convince you and be able
to make you weak and and question your integrity and
absolutely throw away your morals. She became his mistress for
crying out loud, you know so I mean, and I
rel that actually has happened. We've had senators who have
fallen uh to Chinese spies because they slept with them.
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This is real life ship that actually happens in the CIA.
So like, it's beautiful to see that that kind of
correlation to Martyn World and how they actually do it,
because it kind of confirms that it does happen. It
does happen on the smallest level, on the largest scale,
it does happen. So it's it's evil to see that
this woman really did jump jump the hoops and fences
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and all kinds of shit to make sure that she
can figure him out. She even poked to him, somebody
sexually touched you. You must have been the lesson as
a kid, and not in those words, but she she
alluded to a lot of things that triggered him to say,
fuck you, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. We
had a deal, you have to do this. We had
a deal. I have to take care of you as
you're psychologist, and I will give you the information you
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need on my patience in order for you to be
able to mind fuck them. That was their deal, right,
That was the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Was like, huh and the money and yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:46):
Well exactly exactly it's really well, I mean, did she
though you know what I mean? So it's like she
was very adamant on and it's and even a bigger
mindfug is that she tells him the money he's not
a big deal to me.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It's a big deal to you because you're a small man.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
After she does what he does, exactly after she does
what she does and says what she says, she still
works in his face that I don't need your money.
You need your money one I do. It's more important
to you than it is to me. I'm just teaching
you a lesson.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Wild it's the lesson too. It's it's like to said,
she had him clock from day one, and she was
the perfect.
Speaker 5 (42:27):
I want to hear Brian, because Brian looks.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Like he's like, I don't have anything to say. It's no, no,
we're all good.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
It's just when you talk about the movie and bring
up certain scenes, it's just like I feel dirty, Like
I feel like I got out of a bad sales meeting.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
That's the point.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
And they're like, hey, look.
Speaker 3 (42:48):
If you don't go sell this old person and take
all of their money, your job is lost. You're like, oh, okay, sir,
let's go do it well, man, trust me, it's gonna
run well for you.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
It's gonna run all the days of your life.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
And then she like literally drives off the lot and
everything breaks and it's like, damn, well bye, it's you.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Know what it is.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
It's like And to mention that electric scene was her
Electrictra scene was her favorite scene. My favorite scene is
the climax of the film where they're doing the actual
seance and the old rich scary man. It's in the snow,
in the snowfield. Are the snow the snow mas And
Roney Marra's character is not Ruoney Mara. What's her name, Yeah,
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Rooney Rooney Mara, thank you. She's she's playing the she's
playing the ghost of his of that man's wife who
shot herself in the face when she found out her
son was killed in World War One. I want to say,
and that that's what happened pretty much. There's a whole
scene where the mom just shoots herself in the face,
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like on camera, it's fucking crazy, but the jig is
up right. The old man figures out he's just crying,
you cocksucker, you motherfucker dude. That this whole time. Whole time,
I'm gonna I'm going to ruin you, dude. It just
and it just falls apart so quickly, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
And look, I don't want to come out and you know,
have people yelling at me, salesmen all around the world like.
Speaker 4 (44:21):
You, you bastard, You're a betrayer. Look I get it.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
And you know what, Bradley Cooper did provide a tad
bit of hope. In my eyes, he's like, to his
initial reasons, Oh well, we're giving him hope. What's wrong
to let him hope? You know what, it came from
a good place.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Verbally, Okay, you never meant any of it.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Well, but he did say it, So that's all I'm saying.
In his defense, he was aware that. Yeah, I'm at
least giving him.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Bradley Cooper was trying to better.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
All three of us have been impacted by losing somebody
very close to us. How do we feel about somebody
telling us, hey, he's right there, he's right next to you,
he can touch you, he's feeling you right now, Like,
how do you feel about that? I personally, for me,
I find that extremely pandering. I find that extremely insulting.
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But when you're lost and you're still grieving, you want
something to hold on to and you want something to
grab right when you're hopeless, you want anything to give
you that hope that also provides an ugly feeling.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
Right you know, as someone and let me say this
as someone who's literally going through the grieving process right now,
I ignorance is bliss. Right. If you're ignorant and you
don't understand how these things work, you're looking for anything
to latch on to to have that person come back
into your life. You'll listen to anything that gives you
(45:55):
some kind of glimmer of an idea, of a of
a of a glimpse of the person that you mess
with your whole heart and spirit. But like Tudy said,
if you even have a lick of sense and you
can see through the bs, it's pandering, It's it's condescending,
(46:16):
and it's downright ghoulish to to bring something to literally
bring someone back from the dead that shouldn't be there.
You know what I mean, Like, I don't I don't
like being sold up. I don't like being sold a
bill of goods, you know what I'm saying? Like and
I don't like feeling stupid. And it's like, like, because
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someone wants to say your your mom is here right
now and her arm is on her, like, no, she's
in heaven, dude, No, she's she's sore in the spaceway.
She's at the next adventure. She's doing whatever she is,
but she's not doing what you're saying she's doing. And
it's like, I wouldn't want that. That's super daky. It's
like it's bullshit, you know. It's like, but those who
(46:58):
aren't educated are are willing to fall, are willing to
latch on in though it's not even a matter of education.
Is education and grief that you're just willing to do
whatever it takes to feel something that's normal and you
hear something that's familiar. So it's it's preying on sad,
pained people and it's a horrible business.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
And I would like to say that, you know, I
don't know if it's been said, but that is what
makes these two movies so completely separate and together. But
they like both deal with this theme of grief in
this totally different phrase, but each way is like very
(47:41):
real and substantial, and you're like, oh, I kind of
get that, you know what I mean, and thus, yeah.
Speaker 4 (47:47):
That's what makes it interesting.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
What are you willing to do to bring your loved
one back or to feel their presence? Are you going
to create a robot child it's a pet cemetery, or
to bring your child back? Are you going to let
this man swindled you out of hundreds of thousands of
dollars to give you a glimpse of hopes simply because
you missed your loved ones. Very good, very good conversation.
(48:16):
But you know what, in the time it is, it's
time to break this bad boy down. It's time to say,
who do you have. In the past, it would be
me in Wash breaking our heads together, and one of
us would have to concede to the other to have
a victor. Now that Toots is the wild card. Toots
(48:37):
is the breaking of the backs. We will have a
victory on one way or another, and I love that.
That makes it so much more dynamic. So I will
let Wash go first by saying who he thought, who
he wanted to win, and who now he's choosing to win.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Ah, it has not changed. I did think about this
straight up until the final minutes of this cast, because
for me, astro Boy is fantastic, but it's a kid's
movie and a lot of kid ways and I am
a forty six year old man, so that's rough. Nightmare
(49:17):
Ally first act is fantastic. The rest of the movie
is just a hot freaking mess. So it did leave
me a lot to leave with that said, I did
enjoy both, but for me, and after I finished my
nightmare Ally viewing, I happen to speak with a friend
(49:37):
and they're like, well, which one would you recommend?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
And I was like, astro Boy two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
There you go, astro Boy two thousand died. All right,
I guess this is my turn, then, astro Boy. That's
one for ashtro Boy. Yeah. I think Wash kind of
hit the nail on the head. Astro Boy was a
fun watch with some deeper tones and went pretty quick.
(50:10):
It was a pretty quick watch, you know. It kind
of kept its pace. And I think what's destroying a
lot of our choices is pace. Like a lot of
these movies don't have good pace, and it's and it's
breaking their backs. That's what happened with Persepiblely, you know
what I mean, That's what happened, and that's kind of
what's happening with Nightmare Alley is that I feel like
this is a great premise. I feel like this is
(50:32):
a smart film. And I love both of these movies.
I think they're both great, But I just feel like
Nightmare Alley was bid off. Nightmare Alley bid off more
than they can chew, you know what I mean in
regards to all everything, and they went to cover Wash
mentioned there's seven movies in one movie with Nightmare Alley,
and it's trying to do a lot. It's trying to
(50:52):
tell a lot of stories at the same time, like
you could have had a whole arc of Rooney Merris's
character and how she was going through and from our
point of view, you can have a whole art. I
would love to know more about the Clayte Manchett, the
manchet character, what's her background, why is she so? Why
is she the last boss of everything?
Speaker 4 (51:10):
You know?
Speaker 1 (51:10):
But at the same time, Astro Boy holds a very
special place tomorrow, So it's almost nostalgia bait in a way.
And I like the idea of the kind of like
grief turn horribly wrong in the astral Boy. I think
that was done a bit more tastefully than in Nightmare Alley,
(51:31):
where he's literally gooling out people. There's not one redeeming
quality amongst the entire cast outside and everybody's dirty. But
Astro was kind of as a character. Astro is kind
of not innocent, but he's just but he's not also
a brand new human. He has the thoughts of the
original child, so it's not like he's like new to
(51:54):
the world. He's kind of he knows how things are going.
So to give an answer as my answer hasn't changed
between these two films, and it may surprise you, but
I gotta go Astro Boy. I'm going astrol Boy with
this one. I just feel like it's I think it.
I think it has legs in this and this I
think has legs in this tournament. I think it's a
(52:16):
more concise I think both stories are trying to tell
the same story, but Astro Boy tells it better. Probably
thought I was gonna go to Nightmare Ally, but no,
I wanted to go Astro Boy. So, Toots, what was
your choice? What is your what was your choice between
these two films?
Speaker 5 (52:39):
Okay, well, I am a huge fan, like like is amazing.
I don't think there's anything that he can do that's
that's extremely wrong. There's not one thing that he's done
that I have not enjoyed. Like that was terrible. I've
never said that was terrible about anything that Carmona too
has done, including Night Rally. It's only long because I'm
old and maybe I have of h what is it
(53:01):
called a ADHD, you know, undiagnosed. We'll see, but uh yeah,
I loved nimer Ali Actually it was an an extremely
slow burn, a slower burn then then I'm actually used
you to be honest, but nimer Alley was really really good. However,
my pick was an Astro Boy. I don't know if you
(53:21):
guys can see it.
Speaker 1 (53:23):
But sweep our first sweep.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
Boy absolutely wins hands down because, like Mike said, like
bright alluding to this movie, well, this movie is just
absolutely more relatable, to be honest, than nimer Alley. It's
really weird because Nimra Alley deals with the past. Astro
Boy deals with the future, and I think we as
human beings are kind of cleaning closer to what's happening
when Astro Boy, you know, we already know Elon Musk
(53:48):
is willing and ready to set a ship off some
people to Mars, you know, so like we're we're trying
to get off this planet one play or another. So
there's like this weird reality involved in it. So on
top of the way that it deals with grief, and
because it's the children's movie, like like we alluded to
and kick ass with the last review, kids need to
(54:09):
understand how to grief properly. Unfortunately, parents are passing away
more suddenly and more used to than we're expecting because
of health and diets and et cetera, et cetera and whatever.
But you know, times are changing. The morality, the mortality
of a hum adult is actively changing as we sit
here for unfortunately and for many reasons. So we don't
(54:29):
have a lot of children to have and are going
to do a lot of grief. And the Astra Why
adds an element of hope that is not false. The
way night alliant night allies an absolute lyme merit. It's
a beautiful title for an actually one. A nightmare too
lives in this revolving door of lives. Nobody, no liar
is happy. Nobody who constantly lies is happy in real life.
(54:54):
In movies and wherever you can write the character you
cannot write a happy character who lies constantly. It's impossible.
So yeah, astra Boy hands down. As far as like
Mouli ratings are concerned, I gave my Rally a six
out of ten. I gave astro Boy out of ten Brian.
Speaker 3 (55:09):
Something eight out of ten. All right, Uh, they were
still about sex six six six point two for me,
so they were they were close. It was a tight, tight,
tight race for me.
Speaker 1 (55:18):
But yeah, ultimately astro Boy, if I had a number eight,
I would give like Ally like a three point five
out of five, and I would give astrol Boy, give
Astual like a four. You know what I mean, I
got a perfect film up and you know, but but
you know, like I said, they both talked, it's so
strange that these got paired because they have the same themes.
(55:38):
You know what I mean that the their themes are grief,
the themes of really wild. That's super weird, right, I
promise you people, this is random select. We did not
choose the random select.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
We recorded it recorded.
Speaker 5 (55:51):
So you just losing somebody, you know what I mean,
Like our our our little Emma Can family just lost
a very valuable player and in our family. You know
what I mean, so we're literally griefing right now in
our own way, and all three of us have experienced
greef already in losing our parents or just it doesn't
really matter who it is. Grief is grief, and losing
somebody very important to you is really hard to get through.
(56:13):
So it's an interesting thing what this is. And it
maybe you know, uh, the Internet gods, the constant gods
just reading down us and like giving us shitty, shitty stream,
but also giving us this idea that we that you know,
of opening our minds or expanding our minds to what
these movies are trying to tell us. So it's really weird.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
I want interesting. I just want to say that whatever
Internet gods are listening, we get it, you know what
I mean. You don't need to you don't need to think.
You don't need to sabotage our stream to make a point,
you know what I mean. Tudy is such a champion,
you know, robiding through Astro Boy. That is hilarious in
retrospect Astro Boy. It's like, it'll be funny if it
(56:57):
wasn't so frustrating, you know what I mean. But we
but this is m O T N we're we're tough
over here. We muscle through and we figure that when
something bad happens, we figure it out and roll with
the next punch because we're champions over here. You know
what I'm saying. We get ship done, you know what
I'm saying. And like this episode, this bad Boy is done,
(57:19):
Astro Boy is going on to the next round to
fight kick Ass. Is how that's gonna line up. So
in round two it's gonna be Astro Boy versus kick Ass.
We're gonna have to rewatch these.
Speaker 4 (57:32):
Movies again and have to re watch them again.
Speaker 1 (57:36):
We have to watch these movies are good because it
has to be fresh the brain.
Speaker 4 (57:43):
That's a little too much.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
We still got two other rounds.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Right, No, But if night Mara were to win, were
you about to sit out and watch two and a
half hours at night?
Speaker 1 (57:53):
See, I'm committed, I'll watch. I'll eat the ship. I
don't care.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
There was no way. I'm like, I'll watch it.
Speaker 4 (58:01):
Fine.
Speaker 3 (58:02):
Fine. I would like to just say, as you're talking
about the next match up in round two, we still
have next uh next cast round one battle and that
is going to be a good one.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Pilgrim versus the World versus Old Boy.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I don't even know what that's gonna be. Dark, God, Yeah,
it's gonna be rough, be literally rough, perfect. This was
a I cannot wait. I don't even know what that's
going to amount to. Ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, O G
(58:40):
O G O G O G version. Yeah, Korean version,
in Korean versus Scott pilgrin versus the World with Captain
America and in Ramona Flowers and all that stuff. Dog,
it's gonna be fucking fire because I read all the
graphic novels. I love some Scott Pilgrim, so I'm been
(59:01):
trying to put my bias to the side. You know,
I swung my body to the side. You know. These
random selects are so much fun and it's so good
talking points, and I'm so happy to be able to
do this with you guys for this MLT and event
that happens. What once a year we're gonna do these
random selects and just choose something or twice year, depends
(59:22):
on what our fancy is. So what I would like
to do is just ask the team, is there any
final thoughts on this challenge, on this versus any final
thoughts on Nightmare? Ali because we're probably never gonna talk
about this thing ever again.
Speaker 3 (59:38):
Way to go, Toby. I did not think you had
it in you. I thought I was coming in here
swinging by myself in the corner, gonna lose big time.
I am super happy with the turniverse today.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
So it's smiled upon you a thousand blessings on your head.
Speaker 5 (59:58):
Yeah, good boy, boy had all the marks in the
right places.
Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
They had all the marks in the right places.
Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Yeah, told story, followed it through. They didn't have to
wiggle waggle, didn't have to go through all these twist
and turns. You got it, and you and you root
it for the kid all the way through Morbid Dark, we're.
Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Dealing with a dead child. We're literally like we are.
The kid's dead the entire time, and we're still interacting
with him. Very morbid movie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
The kid was not dead.
Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
It's dead.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Just like there's an Oscar winner when that other billboard,
by the way, it's two times two time Oscar. I
don't give a ship man and she got smoked, and
I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Not fair, it's not fair. They weren't an astro boy dog,
they didn't tell noyone told them not to be an
astro boy. They could have been a robot and they
could have been like a dust pan or something and
killed it. But hey, it's blood thirsty out here in
the nerd Verse. Baby, it's blood thirsty and random select,
so let's go ahead close this out. We hit the hour,
bark through the fire, through the windows to the walls,
(01:01:12):
so the sweat runs down anyway. You know the song?
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Are we all wrong? It's probably goaded? Are we all
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this one out with me saying I am, of course
your host, Mike Gee. We thank you for watching. We'll
see you next time. All random select, you no need
to beat the very first to Welcome to the Masters
(01:01:55):
of the nerder Verse.
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