MOTN Random Select: Kingsman: The Secret Service (2014) Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)

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 Round One: The Secret Service (2014) Vs. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1990)

Will the 90's superhero movie about mutant amphibians defeat the razor sharp genre warping spy blockbuster?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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(00:25):
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the masters of the Nerdiverse. This is the return of

(00:51):
random Select. I know you've been waiting with baited breath
for the last round of round one, and we're here
nerd a verse random select where we choose eight random
fields within a certain genre and they fight each other
till the death until one is named victorious. This genre
is comic book adaptations are graphic novel adaptations. Of course,

(01:14):
Mike g with me is the Council of Reads themselves.
Let's do introductions all around, just in case this is
your first episode. Let's start with two t odin the
read Richards from the six to one sixth universe, what's
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Go Ninja, Go Ninja, Go go.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Go sor Yeah, we're getting in the mood. We're getting
tearing off the lights. Watch a turtle. It took me
a second, I'm old. Yeah I got it. And in
the read Richards from the Marvel Zombies Nerd Verse universe,

(01:59):
he'll eat your brain first thing first, till each to braise,
and then they say you about the fucking take for things.
Yeah wash, it's wash wash wash.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
What up?

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Power to you? R t l E.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Power to you?

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Fire soundtrack completely forgot completely for god.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
The Ninja Turtles have never had a bad intro. Remember
the one.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Turtles counted off one two three four one two three
four t t.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Day's Beauty and Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, I don't Fire, I have a lot of properties.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Well, well, we're gonna get into the turtles because I won't.
I'm not going to shut up about them. But let's
talk about our films that we're doing this evening, which
keep being similar. I don't know what it is. It's
so weird how these films keep becoming similar and they're random.
So tonight at the afore mentioned it's so random. So

(03:02):
the nineteen nineties, I mean a film that changed the
generation teenage mutant Ninja Turtles versus one of the best
films in his I would say filmography, Matthew Vaughn's own Kingsman,
The Secret Service. Let's just start by going around and
let's just talk about where we were when each movie

(03:23):
came out, and kind of your approach to it, you know,
across the stars. Anybody could jump in. Let's talk about.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
It, all right, I'll start us off my initial Kingsman.
I had not watched. This is my first watch. And
it's like, Brian, why didn't you watch Kingsman? And it's
like it was one of those things where the hype
was so ridiculously loud. I was like, well, it's just
never going to live up to that expectation, and thus

(03:53):
I just never watched it. So this was my first
time viewing it, and so that was a cool experience.
And in t Power Turtle Power fun fact is Brian's
very first, very first real life Oh I'm gonna watch
this and then in my next fight, I'm gonna try

(04:15):
and throw a kick like the Turtles did on the
Live Street and got my ass beat. So that did happen.
That is a real story. And The Turtles was the
movie that made me think I was a ninja and
well actually I'm kind of amp. But different conversation for
different day, but that it did start me off on

(04:37):
my martial arts journey there and then took it off
from there.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
But yeah, so those.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Are my my histories with them. I watched them in
one day, back to back. Kingsman first, Yeah, Kingsman first,
and then.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
I watched The Turtles.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
So not a bad days viewing, you know what I
mean When you talk talk about back to back viewing,
which I think I did three out of the four
battles on This is probably the one where I was
just like popcorn pizzas, like all right that I don't
have to go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
This is fine.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's a fairly interesting double feature, isn't it. Like I
would go to the movies to see these two back
to back. I go into a theater, you know what
I mean, like easy pas, you know what I'm saying.
I gotta know, Toutes, what's your history with these films.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I have seen both before. Last time I saw TMNT
nineteen ninety was in probably nineteen ninety, so there's that.
Probably watched it with my cousins. Didn't remember a lot
of what I saw when I rewatched it, with the
exception of Casey Jones, nobody can forget Casey Jones, probably
the same way you guys. Probably April was unforgettable for

(05:50):
you guys. So yeah, with Kingsman, I don't remember if
I watched in the theater. If I did not, I
watch it pretty much immediately after the theater.

Speaker 6 (05:59):
It was really.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
High for sure, but it was very at that time,
early twenty two thousands.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, twenty fourteen, I guess.

Speaker 6 (06:10):
I guess, well, I guess that's midteen thousands. I guess.
I don't know. It's still a long time ago from now,
which is weird. Yeah, it was a unique movie, you know,
for for what it was at the time.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
So yeah, very very very fun both movies.

Speaker 6 (06:28):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Absolutely, both of these movies are just really they were
their inspirations. Well, one is a trend setter, I mean one,
I mean one is you know, like going back on
the trends, and one is the trend, one is the hype,
do you know what I'm saying, And one is you know,
being you know, taking from hype things and making in

(06:49):
its own. I'm just gonna talk about Keysmaan first, just
so I could talk about it. I wasn't really hype
on this movie when it first came out. I wasn't
really familiar with Matthew Vaughn's work. I think this is
the first thing he adapted because it went like this
and kick Ass then the sequel to this or something
like that, and it was word of mouth where it
was like, Mike, you got to see this movie. This
movie is sick, and that was kind of like my

(07:12):
gateway to it. I think I just kind of saw
it in the theaters on a random Saturday and was
blown away by this new take on James Bond, this
new take on spy movies, and I just thought it
was really interesting how they just kind of wanted to
turn the genre on its head. And that seems to
be a Matthew Vaughn thing. Like we talked about kick Ass,

(07:35):
it really turns the genre on its head, you know
what I mean. And yeah, teenage mutant Ninja Turtles man.
I mean, I'm a kid of the nineties. It was
like finos, the turtles were inevitable. You were gonna inject
turtles one way or another. In the nineteen nineties if
you were a young man, like like Wash said, you

(07:56):
watched this movie into theaters with your cousins. Four cousins,
we all get a turtle. We're going outside. We're kicking shit,
We're kicking We're kicking cars, We're kicking trash kids, We're
kicking telephone.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Bringeth, pizza, eat.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah. Yeah, we're finding t shirts and cutting up and
making band. Dennis, We're just I'm gonna stop it there
because I can just keep gushing about the turtles because
they were just such an inspirations inspiration and we talked
about it on MLTN Live Friday six pm. Watch us
that there's no more icons and the turtles ate a

(08:34):
chunk of the nineties. It was like from nineteen ninety
to like ninety five, it was just all turtles all
the time. Because shortly after that, TMNT two came out
and it was just like, yeah, that was it. It
was over. It was you know Jordan three, you know
Kobe three P at that point. But Secret of the
Use arguably the better movie, but we'll talk about that

(08:54):
all right. I'm really excited to talk about both of
these films, and like wash, I watched these and The Kingsman,
then I watched TM and t That's the order I
watched them. Cool being anybody want to add anything before
we get into the nitty gritty of these films.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
I will say in my watching of Turtles, I did
my best to put my nostalgia to the side.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
There you go to.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The only point I wanted to bring up is we
are voting out of nostalgia, I mean out of the
what warms are cockles? So yeah, that that that's the
part that I for a lot of movies, I had
to separate myself with that.

Speaker 6 (09:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Or or the idea is that some of these movies
leave bad tastes, tastes in our mouths or you know
what I mean, Like they just leave us feeling so
much differently than than they did the first time around
we watched them.

Speaker 6 (09:43):
Yeah, there was a lot.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's a lot that you have to separate when when
I guess judging you're doing this stuff. So yeah, same,
the nostalgia thing very important to you know, have to
put aside good call out.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, it's so difficult with certain things, you know what
I mean. And it's like watching these in a white room,
you know, isolated from everything else is you know, the
film itself. It's almost impossible sometimes, but we do it.
That's what makes us masters of the nerd of verse.
All Right, speaking of masters manners, maketh Man, that's one

(10:18):
of my favorite sayings of all time. Kingsman The Secret
Service premiered in twenty fourteen, directed by Matthew Vaughn. Said knopsis,
a spy organization recruits a promising street kid, a street
rat like Aladdin, into the agency's training program, while a
global threat emerges from a twisted tech genius. Did you

(10:39):
know Colin Firth did eighty percent of his own stunts,
according to stunt coordinator and second unit director Bradley James Allen. Yeah, apparently,
like Colin Firth got super ripped, you know, like like
the Uncle from from the Last Airbender when he was
in jail. You know, like like Uncle was a jail

(11:03):
and you got super cut in secret Apparently that's what
Colin Firth did, and they were ready to have him
have a scutting toordinator and he just showed his shredded
abs and they were like, all right, you can do it.
He earned that right. Who wants to go first talking
about this film. Let's discuss everything about it.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Mike, start us off. It's a fan favorite of yours.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I like this movie. I've always liked this movie. It's
always a good time, and I like a movie that
tells you what it's about. The second zero, you know,
the film opens up and it's big old America choppers
raining playing like licensed music, and the explosions make words.
It's very wanted. Remember wanted with a Gelina Joe Lee.

(11:52):
It's very wanted where it's like this movie where it's
his heart on its sleeve, it wears his inspirations on
its sleeve. Xy you have to say that, not Eggsy,
but Xy is a street rat. He's a Laddin pretty much.
And his father was an know only part of this
secret Service to Kingsmen, who are the super secret, top
British level for British Eyes only super secret special agency.

(12:18):
And he happens to find himself in a situation where
he can make more of himself. One thing I will
say about this movie is that never lets you breathe.
There's always an action sequence or a funny moment. It's
equal parts mission impossible, equal parts snatch has very guy
ritchie vibes. Oh you take her to piss. You know

(12:38):
you can leary it a lot. You know a lot
of English isms that I'm gonna bother mister Edward. I
got a lot of AMMO shout out to mister ed
that I'm gonna I'm gonna just send you know, send
to him is via toots, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (12:52):
So funny.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I literally just text him that I just watched Kingsman
Secret Service and it's been helping me polish my English
accent all day. Yes, and it's been helping me understand
what the hell they're saying better.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
I'm ed, we don't, we don't understand you.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
We don't watch Hamilton. You'll better understand us.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
I made him watch Hamilton when he was here.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
He need.

Speaker 6 (13:22):
I was like, here, Ed, look America, buddy, America.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And it's like, will we'll watch Kingsmen, you watch Hamilton,
will fight each other in the middle.

Speaker 6 (13:32):
That's funny, that's great.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Twenty Your initial thoughts about this thing.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Okay, initially so one banging soundtrack. This soundtrack in this
film just perfect to me, absolutely perfect.

Speaker 6 (13:46):
It's so playful.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I I absolutely love every every bit of it. It's
the contrast between what a what even even through American eyes,
let's put it that way, what we would think a
posh English gentleman to be right, you wouldn't think it.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
They would be listening to Freebird in.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Any any, any scenario of their life. So the soundtrack
again absolutely polar opposite.

Speaker 6 (14:09):
To what what you would what.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
The gentleman I think is trying to portray. Sam Jackson
killed it in this movie. Not the the lisp that
he has always kind of throws me off. But the
more you get to know him and in this film,
and in fact, the more the more I I witnessed
his acting in this film, the more I saw his

(14:33):
his brain character in Afro Samurai, the his little side
buddy that's just in his head, same same freaking character.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Oh my god, it's it's pretty cool. Another thing I
liked about it was the conspiracy side of it.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I honestly only watched this movie because you know my
tinfoil hat on real quick. There has been conspiracies to
the idea of frequencies, radio frequencies, all kinds of vibration stuff,
being able to mimic things that the human body does,
being able to force the human body to do certain things.
Project what is it monarch butterfly or think I forgot

(15:10):
what it was called. Was suppose supposedly something like this
where they were able to use certain frequencies to make
and trigger people to do certain things. Hence, like like
in the church scene where where everybody just instantly starts
killing each other and they end up being able to bluetooth. Practically,
that technology all over the globe freaking phenomenal, so that

(15:31):
I feel like that technology actually does does exist in
some way, shape or form. I do think the CIA
does actively do experiments on stuff like this, so that
aspect of it was pretty cool. And no better person
to bring that information to light or bring that information
to the governments that are behind it than a spy.
So this movie just all the way around is full

(15:53):
circle works great.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
I love it, very good movie.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Does the vomit gun count in that you know the gun,
the gun that shoots like like sonic waves and it
just makes you automatically vomit?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Okay, And in fact they actually do have something like
that not here. I can't remember which country it was.
I think it was in Italy, but they play a
certain sound wave and they brought it out during protests.
They played a soundwave that you can't hear, but something
about it either makes you shit yourself or you're just
you're It makes you panic instantly. And so there's actually

(16:28):
legit video footage of people running away from silence out
of nowhere. They're just in the middle of a village
in Italy, protesting this and that and the other, and
then suddenly they're screaming and running this way and there's
no nobody knows why, and supposedly it's that technology that
that kind of forces that to come about. So interesting stuff,

(16:49):
pretty interesting. I think the King's been really hints towards
a lot of this stuff. So pretty I loved it. Yeah,
right up my alley.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
This one nice. That's reminds me of that episode of
That Man, the animated series. We had to fight Count Vertigo,
and he was using that Vertigo gun on Batman that
kept throwing off his equilibrium. He was destabilized, so Batman
had to like plug his ears and and fight them,
fight him. Deaf to win and was super sick.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
There was also this other one.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
I still can't, for the life of me remember what
it was, but I thought it was I thought it
was Kingsman. But it was a movie where basically everybody's
cell phone rings at the same time and if you
answer it, you dropped dead.

Speaker 6 (17:27):
That was the call movie.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
No, I don't think so that doesn't know. I don't
think it was that generic of a of a title.
But I've been wrong. I've been wrong before, so I don't.
I don't know, but I'll never forget that scene. And
I still can't. I just don't know what what movie
that is.

Speaker 6 (17:45):
I don't think it's that basically a title, but it's
ropes right there we go. Now we're back to that.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
Wow, that's.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Country music. When I hear it, turn around and I
run start even I run as far away as humanly
possible as I can get from it. So comments want it?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (18:08):
So my thoughts on Kingsman as a first time watch.
I had a little idea what I was in for
again in the hype, and and you know I was.
I was very surprised at the amount of oscars that
are in this movie.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
There's a lot of Oscars.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So you know, it wasn't treat to see Michael Caine,
like just just to see Michael Caine.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
It was a treat on screen.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
I thought that Colin Colin Worth first, Colin Firth, thank you,
Colin Firth did a fantastic like acting job.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
As we dive deeper.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Into just the sequels of it all, you know, I
know that he comes back spoilers and I'm just kind
of like, well, I wonder how that happens, but that's
kind of there. But for for my money, I was entertained.
Out of all the two plus hour movies we've watched
for Random Select, this was the shortest two plus hour

(19:14):
movie that we've watched. I didn't really feel it at all, Mike,
Like you said, the pacing is there. I did get
a little lost in there's a there's a conflicting contrast,
which I guess when you put it with the graphic
novel of scenes like the church scene and how it

(19:37):
was edited and cut, like it was just a little
harsh on the eyes the way it moved for me.
And there's also an issue that I took with just
the church scene, which is cool, right, great church scene,
like great, great scene. In fact, i'd pick if we
were picking fighting scenes out of the random select, I'd

(19:58):
probably picked this church scene over our boy friend last
week who did the one shot, and this was heavily edited, right,
but it was the better scene. That said, I kind
of got let down at the end because you go
with this super hyper visual, like you know, violent movie,
and then when you get to the end, like I'm

(20:21):
watching balloons pop off. And don't get me wrong, I
don't necessarily need to see heads being popped off. But
I didn't write this script, you know what I mean.
So there was a contrast to me of how they
built everything up and then at the end they're like, ah,
we're we're gonna tone it down to mortal kanbat like

(20:41):
you know, PG version.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And I like that they did that to be honest,
because it kind of just one it's brave, and two
it gives you it gives you the idea or it
gives you the knowing that not everything has to be bloody.
We already it's already been implied with it. What were
there supposed to be showing us?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
But again I didn't write it, like I didn't write
the church scene, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Like, I didn't put that in my movie.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
So when you put that, and this is where I'm
talking about, there is a push and pull for me
where it's like, oh, you're doing this, but then you're
not doing this. And that's one instance I thought the
plot itself, I kind of wish they would have did
a tad bit more with it, but I mean, you know,

(21:26):
what are you gonna do? But like, they didn't really
go into the father. They didn't besides, like he has
the metal, he's his son. They didn't really build any
attachment there for me to why. Well, frankly, they were
like either you live or die or you know whatever
that I don't know what was gonna happen to them,

(21:46):
but they said no one died, So okay, no one died.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
They went to go work in computer processing or the
sales office. That's cool. But there was no real build.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Up as to why, you know, all right, your father
saved my life.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Is that enough? Sure? Sure, I'm not saying it isn't.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
But when I think about like the movie and my
reflections on it, these are some of the things I
wish that were fleshed out, and also some of the
things that have me intrigued about part two and three
and lastly, Sam Jackson. I'm look, Sam Jackson makes all
the money in the world. He pops up and everything,

(22:30):
and until his latest comments where he says, which helped
me I make movies? I want to go see and
I was like, you know what, I can one hundred
respect that. So Sam Jackson being in this movie almost
I won't say it irritated me, but that was done
with him by the end of it. I was like, dude,

(22:51):
just just you could have picked anyone else, anyone else,
but there's Sam Jackson being Sam Jackson, just with a list,
and it's like, all right.

Speaker 6 (23:02):
I thought it was iconic.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I mean, he's he's in I don't know a handful
of comic book movies, you know, I don't know, he's
he's black Mark Hammel to me, but is this.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
An iconic performance for Sam Jackson out of all the performances.
It's like, no, man, you were there? And what I
call him again? And no hate, I'm not hating. Do
I call him? You know, money bag man?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
If there's a check out there, Sam Jackson's like, yeah,
I'm here. What what do you need me to say?
I'm not mad at it.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I'm just saying, but what's this money bag era Sam Jackson?
And was that a little bit after the Avengers? I
don't think this was money Bags era fifteen? So this
is right about, uh, the after Revenge of the Sith.
This was like a little bit after Revenge of the Sith. Right,
you know, it's a movie he wanted to make. It's cool,

(23:51):
it's stylized. You know, I get it. I get it.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I'm just saying, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Can get why he could be a bit grating. But
when I saw his character, and like Toot said, he
kind of grows on you a little bit as the
film progresses. You know, I detest Violin. I don't like Violin.
That would just projectile.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Or when he when he shoots Colin first spoilers and
she's like, you kill the man? How does that feel?
That does not feel good?

Speaker 6 (24:21):
He's like, no, that's awful. It's just so it's so
charming to it's cute.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
I did like her with the with the legs and
the I can love her this the first film Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
She went on to play the Mummy in that horrible remake.
You just can't catch a break. But that's a shame,
but yeah, I think he even mentioned Sam that he
modeled his villain character after Ron's after what's his name,
the owner of deaf jam Ron Simmons. You know what
I'm saying, Simmons Russell Simmons. Yeah, he modeled his character.

(25:01):
It's the wrestler, that's for Uke. Shout out Compton Media.
I think this film is like it's it's a love letter, right,
It's it's it's He's And I think Matthew Vaughn is
one of those directors where he's gonna have fun no
matter what he's doing. And I like seeing an I

(25:21):
like seeing a director's energy on screen. There's not many
directors where you can feel that, you know what I mean.
I put him up there with like Quentin Tarantino. You
can feel his vibe on the screen, and Matthew Vaughn
is going to give you a good time kind of
almost every single time. Michael Kaine, I think did a

(25:42):
really okay job. He kind of stepped through the sleep
walk through the world kind of how you feel about
Sam in this movie. I kind of feel about Michael
Kain like I feel like he could have he could
have had more steaks he's the he's the obvious villain.
The second you see him on screen, you know, this
guy's a douchebag. They're not even trying the high that
he's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like you think about Michael Caine, it's like you can
think about in your head and project like the prequels
to The Kingsman, when Michael Caine was still like fifty
nine year old Michael Caine and doing bad things to
bad people, like Michael Kaine's a pimple like that.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
So you know, that's kind of where I saw most.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
You didn't necessarily have a very rivetying role in Cider
House Rules, yet that was still it's still one of
my favorite Michael Kain characters. So good night, Princes of England.

Speaker 6 (26:37):
So good you Kings of you York. Oh god, it's
so good.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I like how all the Kingsmen were named after like
the Knights of the Round Table. You're the next Galahad,
You're the next Arthur, you know what I mean. I
like that kind of I think anime does that a
lot with like Bleach. You are the representation of death,
you are the representation of greed, and it's like, okay,
you are the next in line, like Merlin was one
of my favorite characters of the movie, played by Mark

(27:03):
Strong who played Sinestro in that Horrible Green Lantern film,
and a guy Richie Staple. You know what I mean.
I wanted to talk about and kind of go back
to what you're saying watch about the end about it
being a bit pete toned down. But then at the
end we get that that excellent fight with Eggsy versus Gazelle,

(27:25):
and it's set to that like that disco music with
the lights going off and she's busting multiple backflips and
it's choreographed so well. Like if there wasn't the Chert scene,
that would be the best fight of the film, you
know what I mean, Like because Gazelle.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Has said but then when they blow everybody's heads off
and they do it in slow motion, we're looking at
balloons and change. I'm not saying I want it again.
I'm not saying I needed to see that name. If
you've been around in their diverse, you know I'm not
the one tooting around for more violence necessarily on screen
in the world that we currently live in.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
But if you're gonna go go.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
And to that point, that church scene, now even feels
more kind of weird because it's like, so you did
this one church scene, the eggsy scene with legs, he
got like she got cut on her arm, That's what
that was, the one like wound.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
So it comes to me it's like, so where did
this church scene come from?

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Which was awesome? Was people like, yeah, let's just do it,
and he's like all right, or was he not there
that day? And the second ad is like we're gonna
bag this, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's almost like it's almost like they wrote the church
scene and wrote things around it. Is that where you're
talking about kind of like that church scene is so
damn good that it was like so damn.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Good, But what I didn't even know what was going on.
For a minute.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
I was like, is he affected or is he just
reacting to what's going on around him? Which I thought
would have actually been cooler. And I guess in a
way he was if he wasn't affected.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
But I I thought he figured it out because he
heard he heard the humming.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
I think he figured out when you heard the humming.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
But then when he's walking out and he's like, what
the hell struck me?

Speaker 6 (29:10):
Mm hmmm, Oh yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
And then I'm like, okay, so were you under control?
This is what I was.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
That's where I was like, I don't know, but either way,
it was freaking cool. I'm not gonna argue it's one
of the top fight scenes I've seen this year in anything.
So yeah, well maybe not X Men, maybe not definitely
almost anything out of Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
And I like what you said about like thinking about
like Michael Kain as like a Kingsman, like Michael Kain
his in his prime, you know what I mean, Like
the Kingsman back in the day and that scene where
Colin Firth is in his room and he has all
these newspaper clippings of everything he stopped, but it was
a different article. It's like the timeline they play with,
and like I love things that build lore, you know,

(29:58):
multy and lore. You know, you kind of you start
playing like you you start playing with it, like, man,
where were they during the Berlin Wall? Where were they
during nine to eleven? Like what were the King's been doing?
And like you know, and that kind of goes to
the third movie where it's like the very first time
they were joined, and truth be told, I've seen the
first one I've seen the third one, but I've never
seen the second one, Like I just it just was

(30:19):
not on my radar. I don't know. And I saw
the third one with Rasputant where they have to fight
Rasputant during World War one or something crazy like that.
But I think in a in a vacuum, this is
like a perfect like like you said, popcorn and beer
and pizza movie where it's like, we're gonna have a
good time. Know. Anything I didn't like, which was really
strange was the absolute last scene of the film, where

(30:43):
it's pretty much the last scene is like a bear
ass for no reason, you know, because he bags the
princess James Bond style, and that's how the movie goes out,
you know what I mean to the Slave to Love,
you know, but it does because you know, it's just
it's kind of tone death in that way a little bit.

(31:06):
But it's fun.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
It just has some random scenes.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
But you know, but my final thought is it is
it is fun, And that is my final thought is
I did not have a bad time with this movie.
I wouldn't tell anyone not to watch this movie, Like, yeah,
this is a good movie, is it?

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (31:23):
The hype in twenty fifteen that I heard. I don't know.
I don't know because I guess I didn't have any
real expectations on that type of level. I went in
just thinking, Hey, I'm gonna watch an entertaining spy movie.
When it went on batshit crazy and stylized in the
church scene, I was sitting here like, oh my god,

(31:45):
this is great.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Like what the hell is the cool le's? I get
it though?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
All right, very dust toal down type flip you know,
like now the movie started. Welcome to the film. What
are your final thoughts?

Speaker 6 (31:59):
Toots agreed.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I thought it was extremely, extremely fun, very very little
to complain about.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
On my end.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Some of the scenes were a little a little gritty
and a little animated because I guess the CG I
just wasn't wasn't what it is now with AI and whatnot.
But so you can just tell you could just tells
its dated movie and look like you said, it's it's
it's a love letter to spy films.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
That it was very good, absolutely and and I'd like
to piggyback off that love letter to spy films as
part of my final thoughts as well. It's like I
look like Matthew Vaughan did that with like Kick as
that was his love letter to superhero films in a
weird way where he in this one kind of just
takes every single trope and physically turns it on his head.

(32:48):
And I think that's fun and Q, like you mentioned,
why is a British spy dude playing free bird? You
know what I mean? Like it's the most like what's
the word I'm looking for it? It turns expectations on
their head, you know what I mean. It's just the
part where I'm gonna give you accomplated, I'm gonna be
my commulated playing uh, incredibly more convolated way to defeat me.

(33:10):
This isn't that, you know. And it's like, yeah, we're
returning this on our returning all this on its head.
And I applauded for that. And honestly, this is one
of those it's hard to follow up. I think this
movie is worst flaw. It's hard to follow up that
that's hurt scene. It's really hard to kind of like,
you know, after that, I said, it's like I like

(33:30):
that it kind of melt out after that because that's
the crescendo of the film, you know, what I mean,
And then it kind of like became a bit morty. Gee,
but yeah, I did this film. It's always a good
time watching this movie. The one is not so much,
but this one is like.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
The other one. All right, well.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
I didn't see there.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Okay, they had two was Goody didn't have done in
that movie. Remember you watch it just for John?

Speaker 6 (34:02):
I forgot. I forgot Mark Camel was in this one.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Yeah, I was gonna say why she didn't even bring
his boy. Luke Skywalker was in this movie.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I was for a minute, but he didn't last.

Speaker 6 (34:10):
He didn't last very long, right, right?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Is it me?

Speaker 6 (34:13):
Or did he not sound exactly like joking?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah? Yeah, I love that. I love it. It warns
the cockles, it worms the cockles here, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Exactly like I didn't even hear it. I was too
caught up and like Luke Skywalker.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Speaking wrong, speaking of fan going out to the wrong movie.
It is time to you are e l e why
it's not happen? Are you gonna let me go to
the next life?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
No?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yes, patientsago, patients, patients, my young viob and patients. I
can't go first, I oh no, my computer.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Want to go. I'll knock it out on the Turtles.
I didn't think so. All right, So teenage Mutant Ninda Turtles,
don't you have this? Oh yes, you're right.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
You're right at my if my computer will at right
at the forty minute mark every single time the podcast
takes a shit. Okay, perfect, here we are. Teenage Turtles
did do nineteen nine directed by spar And I can't
go of anything else he's done. Synopsis four teenage na Turtles.
Their name is their description like lizard Man emerge from
the shadows to protect New York City from a gang

(35:31):
of criminal ninjas. Did you know Robin Williams, who was
a big fan of the franchise, provided judih Hold with
his with information regarding her character. I think judiph Hold
played April O'Neill through his combok collection. The two were
starting in cadollac Man in nineteen ninety Reaturtles that went
into production April O'Neill. April did not know.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Yeah, big big part of this movie, you know, part
of growing up. I suppose it didn't, right, Mutan Ninja
Turtles is a very quote. It's a very cool movie.
As I said, I had his three I've probably watched
the thing at least two hundred times in my childhood years.
Like literally it was one of those things that was

(36:18):
just going back to back to back to back, and
for me going to back to rewatch it. The first
thing I took notice of is how awesome like every
like the Turtles looked for n eighteen ninety, Like everything
was like real life, like had to be just murdering
some of those suits out of imagine. For sure, they

(36:38):
look terribly, terribly odd. But I thought that the the
costume held up to what I would expect from a
t ninja turtle. And I have kept having to go
back as I was watching the movie and go, you know,
what do you expect from a movie out Turtles?

Speaker 1 (36:56):
Right?

Speaker 4 (36:56):
What do you expect from well, you expect to see
teenage ninja turtle when scream doing stuff, and what we got.
What I will say is I kind of wish that
the script had a rewrite. There were three separate occasions
where they were saying random words like righteous cowabunga, we separate.

(37:16):
I got it, I was there, I was there, I
was there, But there on three separate occasions like that
lasted for It's had been too long, and I was
like all right, that gotcha.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
That's cool. So other thing I'll say is.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
The story for me, held up, shredder, held up. I
forgot all about the kids Club. I used to want
to be a part of that freaking kids club, so
damn bad. I was like, there's gotta be a place
like this good. I loved nineteen nineties, like New York City,

(37:51):
like the field, like they got all of that right,
like the kids, Thievin and you know, the foot Clan
for what it is, it worked in nineteen ninety, and
it looked as it probably as good as it probably
could in nineteen ninety, with the exception of maybe putting
stockings over people's face and being like, you're a footsoldier now.

(38:15):
But when you've got a thousand of them, you need
something that's cost.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Effective, right.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
Everybody can't get something else, I mean, so it's like,
this is the best we can do. So for me,
especially coming off watching The Kingsman, one of the things
I was paying attention to is the martial arts, because
for me, that is what was the hook in the.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
First place, was the martial arts.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
And unfortunately, the martial arts do not look as good
as my memory thought. They looked like there's a couple
of decent kicks made. You know, Raphael does some cool stuff,
but for the most part they're fort grown men or
women moving around kind of throwing people around. So that
was a tad bit off, but I still enjoyed it.

(39:04):
It was still a good hour and a half. And
I'm glad it was an hour and a half. I'm
glad it was.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Minutes. You know, got to it.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I got to hear of thoughts on this man
after revisiting it after all these years.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Okay, you guys ready, so okay, so lookin just like
with Kingsman, very fun movie.

Speaker 6 (39:33):
It's funny. I mentioned to you guys.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Earlier in our group chat that was I'm watching the
same fucking movie.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
Like they're literally the same, like.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
The To me, the fight scenes were almost similar in
many ways. A lot of flips, a lot of throwing
of bodies, like all kinds of kinds of the same
choreography that that you know, you see in fighting movies.
I just thought that was kind of cool because we've
had this running theme of our movies having so much
in common just at random, So that's pretty cool. Splinter's

(40:04):
costume sucks, Sorry, guys, it's terrible. The riff raft monsters
that they fight terrible. They don't they're motionless. They move
like this like power Ranger monsters. They have expressionless faces.
They're just awful.

Speaker 6 (40:21):
I don't I don't know what they are. I don't
know what the hell they call them.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
With the watch one or two, I watched one, Yeah,
because Tokien rays are are in secret in the US
and they're not in one.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Oh oh, maybe I'll watched the wrong one.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
I don't think so.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
I don't think so. I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I don't think I watched the wrong I might be
mixing it with clips that I that I've been pulling
them because I've been pulling clips took maybe maybe.

Speaker 6 (40:49):
Maybe that might be it.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
But uh, Also, it brought in the pizza dude, the
very first introduction to the dude bro era.

Speaker 6 (40:58):
Oh you know what I mean. Yeah, so when Mikey's
said something.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
About it, it reinvented the nineties. No, I think it
actually sculpted a generation. It sculpted what the nineties were
going to be for the first I.

Speaker 6 (41:11):
Mean six years at least. So yeah, yeah, pizza dude,
the pizza dude era came about.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
Then.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
I didn't realize it til today that Corey Feldman is
one of the Turtles. I just I recognized his voice
right off the bat. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole
thing screamed nineties. So because of that, I only saw
it as a nineties film, like all the cheese, all
the terrible costuming, the funky music part of it, so

(41:47):
didn't necessarily take me out of the movie, didn't necessarily.

Speaker 6 (41:49):
Be like, well, I couldn't it have been better? You
know what I mean? I thought it was very fun.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
The dialogue was awesome, considering the dialogue itself wasn't as cheese.
While the jokes were pretty funny, a lot of the
jokes would would he would hold up today? Uh, you know,
the turtles were pretty witty and sarcastic.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
And yeah, it's when.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
April saw the turtles and started screaming. I like was
literally like ping myself, like wedging myself.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
I was laughing so hard.

Speaker 6 (42:19):
Because she had no reaction, staring at her. Good you're good,
no reaction. Yeah no, he didn't have any time for
that ship.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Conversation. Good yeah, you're not having a guy bar.

Speaker 6 (42:41):
Vanilla ice? Is that the second one? Okay? See I
told you.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I lost the Squadron. They have dropped out as they
are wont to do any bring them back very quickly.
I will bring them back very quickly. They will return,

(43:51):
and Avengers Age of Ultron too. So Tusca finished saying
her point about mixing up of the of the sequels.
They shall return. Yes, I'm definitely gonna give my thoughts
on this movie because this is a This is definitely

(44:14):
a cornerstone of my young life. So let's bring them back.
I think they're just about to come back right now.
Show on stream, Show on stream.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Wow, it's like, let's.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
Go to the lobby. Forty five minutes in. It's gonna
take a ship.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Toutes.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
Yes, well, just just to finish it off. Like I said,
very very very fun movie. I kind of wish I
didn't pull clips now, like looking for reels and stuff
so I can like promote the episode. I did get
confused a little bit, which kind of just tells me
there's consistency there, because I really, I really the movies do.

(45:04):
I mean, there's there must be a continuation there. I
don't remember Secret of the Use so much either. I
remember the title. I remember that the marketing for this
movie I remember more than the movies themselves.

Speaker 6 (45:15):
Nina, Turtles were everywhere.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I think Burger King took over the promos for this
movie back then, if I remember correctly, Am I am
I wrong?

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Pizza in Dominoes? Was it pizza?

Speaker 5 (45:28):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (45:28):
That's right? And it was? And pizza places? Yeah, pizza
Hut maybe maybe have been it? Uh yeah, yeah, that
that's it. That's it.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Fun movie. Epic fight scenes, synchronization was okay. The turtle
costumes were okay. The wittedness was great.

Speaker 6 (45:44):
Casey Jones hot Hot.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Isn't that a law and order dude? Now?

Speaker 6 (45:50):
I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
I couldn't. I didn't want to look up.

Speaker 6 (45:52):
Yes, but I think, isn't this order dude? Christopher Mellon, Yeah,
I think Malone Malany or whatever? Yeah, okay, all right, yeah,
my okay. Only issue, huge issue are all of them
are trying to fuck April.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
You know what's funny?

Speaker 6 (46:13):
One sor and they're teenager.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Of course the horny is ship. They're teenagers, Doug. She's
the first girl I'd ever talked to them ever.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
But she's kind of a literally too. She like edges
them the entire movie.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Michael Angelo calls her sis once towards the end of
the movie, and I think that's where the transition changed
because at the end where she just falls in love
with Casey Jones and they're like, yeah, maybe to get your.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
Dick away, bro, let's go. You know that they're on
the roof, you gotta be while they're making out. It's
so weird.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It's like, you know, the turtles understand they can never have,
but they're good to live vicariously through Casey Jones. So
it's so nineties coded dude the nightties to give a shit.
Oh man, so this movie man to go to WASH's
point and to try to objectively review this film as

(47:05):
they drop out once again, and I'm just gonna hold
my thoughts until i can get them back. I don't
know why this happens. I think it's the it's either
my connection or it's the servers, but I'm not sure
why it blinks out this way and ruins our content.
But that's okay. Here at MLTN, we soldier on. I'm

(47:28):
just waiting for them to come back. There they are,
so let's bring them back once again and try to
get through this episode. Thank you so much everyone who's
going through and hanging out with us on this evening.
We're bringing them back in pog form, you know, the
we fight against the tide here, ladies and gentlemen, we

(47:51):
fight against the Internet gods who what to destroy us.
But like the Turtles, wherever vigilant is, can everybody hear me?
Is everybody back?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (48:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Okay, So I don't know, I'm gonna leave out Orange
and co little buger O my toe, my toe, so
all I'm you know, I'm gonna try to keep this
as short as possible. I'm gonna try because I love
the Turtles so so so much. It's it's what it's

(48:25):
It's like a generational I see you theretoots I saw
on Mike. I saw on Mike the did the Turtles
mean a lot to be? Okay, Turtles and Time Super Nintendo.
You know, everybody picked the favorite turtle. This movie was huge,
But I'm trying to see it in a in a
in a in a glass cannon. What did I like

(48:46):
about this film? I like that there's tender moments in
this movie. I like that the turtles emote and they're
not just pizza and and and you know, just screaming
all the time. They they have emotions and foibles and
this character her growth in In the Turtles, Rafael has
a whole arc where he grows to be a better person,
you know what I mean. You know, there's a scene

(49:08):
where Michael Angelo cries because he's he misses his dad, Like,
why is there so much heart in this film? You know,
there's it's strangely heart filled this movie, and it kind
of hit me in my heart because it's like how
you miss someone you know, and you're not whole until
they until you can find a way to fill that hole,
you know what I mean. I love the atmosphere of

(49:29):
this movie. It screams New York before you know's it
screams pre nine to eleven New York. You know, smoke's
coming out of the sewers and people are getting cut off.
There's a scene where remember to See where Rafael rose
that the taxi and the guy's like, was that a
giant animalphized human turtle? Yeah? You go into you going

(49:50):
to laguardiare right? Like New York is still give it ship, dude.
I love it. You know, crime is rampant. I love that.
It's a perfect blend of the comic book gritty Dark
Eastman and Lord Turtles with the nineteen eighty seven cartoon
Kawa Buga. You know, it's it's a perfect blend of that,

(50:11):
you know what I mean, And they give you both
where there's those subtle dark moments like Shredder being taken
hot held hostage and having to talk to Danny and
mentor him in pretty much raffy Rafael being beaten to
death and being in a coma for like three or
four days too, you know, goofy scenes where my favorite

(50:33):
scene of the movie is the is the Ninchuck off
where he's having a Ninchuk battle with the Foot clan member.
It's it's goaded, you know what I mean, a fellow
checker ah. And you know Michael Angelo's gonna He's gonna
cook him up, you know what I mean. I love
how grounded this movie is. It reminds me a lot
of Batman begins, you know what I mean, where it's
like we can't do everything we want to do. There

(50:55):
is no Kraying, there is no techno drone, there is
no turtle limp, you know what I mean. All the
outlandish cartoon stuff had to take a take a backseat
because it's the nineteen ninety there was no way they
were going to pull that off. So they ground it
and ground it and ground it. It's like we're in
New York City. The tech the Foot Clan aren't these
robots that you slice it half and they explode their kids,

(51:17):
their runaways. They're kung Fu practitioners. So we ground it.
You know. The turtles aren't driving around in the Turtle Van,
even though there's a hint at the Turtle Van, which
is April O'Neill's van, it's kind of like turtle van ish,
so there's like little easter eggs. April O'Neill wears the
yellow jacket for a split second in one scene, you

(51:39):
know what I mean. Wash brought up shredders Layer, which
what I was going to bring up, which is the
coolest place on human history, and had skateboards and liquor
and smoking, and it's like, as a kid, that was
like Nirvana, no rules, never ever Land type vibes, you
know what I mean. And of course the Shredder, who

(52:00):
was the scariest thing on earth when you were like
eight years old, you know what I mean. That just
I just like the heart of this movie. I like
I like the costuming which Wash mentioned. Each turtle's face
is just a little different, you know what I mean.
It gives some personality. I like the I noticed the
vein work and their musculature, you know what I mean.

(52:22):
Like these were top of the line suits back in
nineteen ninety. Even though watching this in HD, you know,
it kind of spoils all that. You see all the
scenes in the neck and you can see the eye
cuts in HD. But back in the day, I don't
know about you watch, but we thought the Ninja Turtles
were real. Being from California, were legit. There's a whole

(52:44):
generation of kids who could swear. If you can go
to New York and go to the sewers, you will
find these guys down there and they'll show your.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
Good times were in the sewers. Freddy grew with me.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Thank you all the time. I thought about that when
it was real, the Ninja Turtles were real.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, dead ass, I can't.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
We would go to school there, Yeah, I know, I
never I would never know.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Yeah, there was always that hen that that New Kids
Brother is a joint Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
When we go wrong, and this is my point, this
is the one to say you just see you just
piggyback or a piggyback off what you said and say,
like you when you're watching the film and you really
sit back, it's easy to go Kingsman, James Bond spy movie.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Right.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
But if I gave you a budget of thirteen million dollars,
which was the budget of this movie, and I told
you to go make a movie about Ninja Turtle teenagers,
what in the world.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Are you going to put on the screen perfection? Like,
so for what we got into.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
As I watch it with like adults, I'm like, this
was actually super creative on us. This was the best
they could part that they were able to pull this off.
And just a why this movie made like two hundred and.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Fifty million dollars in nineteen ninety In.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Nineteen ninety so it did pretty well for its.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Uh a, you know, in a white room trying to
be subjective. This was the birth of the comic book movie.
This was the rebirth ye had nineteen in Batman, and
then the next year we were eating this comic book
fan this inspired a year later. No, I mean it
was a birth kind of You're right, it was kind

(54:37):
of the birth of the hero film because I mean
eighty nine we had in Burton Batman nineteen ninety we.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
Had this would be the birth, that.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Would be the not the rebirth. I stand corrected. The birth.
It's the refright beings of superhero movies, you know what
I mean. It's just it was just a good time
to be alive, dude. You know. It was just it
was this good vibe and it's at the trend for
so many films.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Confort, I also have a question. I was just thinking
about that.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Besides the Fantastic Mister with George Clooney, which is a
fantastic family film if you've never seen it, how many
movies are there about like live action, which that is not,
but it is like I think perhaps I don't remember,
but Foxing movies are there about animals. We're just at
like like but Ninja turtles, you know what I mean,

(55:25):
like nine Yeah, I'm not talking about the teenage mutant
ninja turtles outside of that, or they're like flying Dolphin
movies where they're like, you know, okay, you got a
talking bear. Okay, You've got a couple of dog movies
out there that like Incredible Journey, which is you know,
tear jerker I.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Mean it's like dozens, right, like have not hundreds of
a couple. I mean it's hard to be subjective.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
I mean, turtles are anamorphs, are not necessarily animals.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Animorphs a morph's that's what I meant, Thank you too,
Yeah atam rphic.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I mean, turtles was kind of the birth of you know,
we were just watching Tank Girl and there was kangaroo
men in that one was iced tea, you know what
I mean, drew inspiration and they were pretty much the
ninja turtles like kangaroos, you know what I mean, all
have different little personal these Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
That's yeah, that's essentially what I'm talking about. Yeah, properties
like that, because I'm not familiar with a bunch of them.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
So yeah, the truth there were so many Ninja turtle
clones from nineteen ninety and what's called the Turtles is
that every generation has their turtles, every single generation from
the birth of it all the way either it's emptition
are filmed. Because I personally like the Secret of the
US more than this that kind of dope, because this
one has more heart than the turtles kind of jumped

(56:44):
to shark and ooze. We're not going to talk about three,
you know, three three back in time?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
If I'm sorry, but what is up with the eight
nineties movies where eventually they go back in time?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Like?

Speaker 6 (56:55):
Is there no other idea?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (56:58):
Was that? What is the one I'm feeling? Bruce Campbell?

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Don't you say Army of Darkness?

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Bruh, darkness was terrible? Sorry, that was stupid. Indiana Jones,
don't they do the same. I'm not needing Jones back
to the future, but they end up in in like
Western It was just yeah, I don't know. I'm just
it's just not it's just it's just not a formula
that I would go with for a third film. But
you know, it is what it is. I just don't
get it.

Speaker 6 (57:22):
I don't get it. I don't find interest in that.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
It's a lot of it's a lot of atudes to
your point. It's a lot of like creative bankruptcy where
it's like, oh, this is hot, we need all back
to the future. All right, this is what we're gonna do.
Turtles are hot right now, this is We're gonna make
street Sharks, We're gonna make the biker BCE for bars, right,
you know what I mean? And whatever, it's hot. They
just kind of jump on and just make supreme. Clientele too,

(57:45):
has nothing to do with anything, But it's just a
just an example of like creative bankruptcy, you know what
I mean. And that's just how it is. Sadly, rip
out at the our mark and I think it's that
time of night where it's time to pick a damn movie.
We've all written down our choices for this who we

(58:08):
want to win. We're gonna show it to the camera
and we're gonna have a winner one way or another.
I know Toots is the wildcard. Toots is the wildcard,
so she goes last. She's the tie breaker. She is
the earth breaker like the Hulk. So I did it's time?
Your time to go first?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Are you sure I think I went first?

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Yeah? Yeah? I went first?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Yeah, Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it.
Uh So I have it on the back of this
little card here. Oh, I'm not showing the answer, making
sure I about a complete Dudits This week was tough
because I tried my I'll want it to be as
subjective as possible in my enjoyment of each film, and

(58:55):
we all kind of watch these back to back, which
I don't know if it's the best format, but it
really at the end of watching a back to back,
you kind of know which film you enjoyed more, you
know what I mean, Like you automatically know. And Kingsman
is extremely fun. The Turtles is just a blast from
the past. But there only could be one winner, you
know what I mean. And between these two films, you know,

(59:17):
I hate to be captain obvious, but I gotta go with.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It's gonna be that's interesting, that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
And this is like and you know what's so and
I just what it took it over for me because
they're both fun films. Two said it, These are the
same damn movie. It's about a young person or people's
trying to find their way in the world through kung
fu action, you know what I mean. And it's like
it's kind of the same movie. So what took it
from me is that the heart of this movie and
the quiet moments are to me are so good. The

(59:51):
time at the farm, you know what I mean. I
believe it's one of the more unsung moments of this
film where it's like it didn't need to have that,
it just made you care about them so much more
that the moment where when Rath woke up and Leo
started crying, like, dude, I'm so sorry I said nasty
things to you. He was like, Leo, don't and they

(01:00:11):
hug it. They hug it out like brothers, Doug. That's
it his emotion though, Bro, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Yeah, that's only eighties and nineties, like training like come
Back Kid Mona montages that they had in almost every movie,
and when they would hit the turtles. I was like,
oh yeah, that was a thing man, that what every
movie had, Like I come back. I gotta go sit
quietly and meditate and come back. I mean even Roadhouse.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
You know it's Roadhouse. I work at the bar.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I gotta go figure myself out and then come back
and take care of business.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Then South Park do that. We're good to have a montage.

Speaker 4 (01:00:52):
Absolutely, So, oh that's interesting, Mike. I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Pardon me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
As the person who's going next, I will say that
it for me too. To d I don't want to
say I said that they were the exact same movie,
but as soon as you texted it, I was like, yeah,
they really kind of are the exact same Damn movie
and it's kind of weird. And so this was tough
for me because I did take nostalgia out of it,

(01:01:23):
and as I did not, I enjoyed them both very much.
If you told me I had to watch one of
them again next week, I'd be like, cool, Yeah, either
way it went, you know what I mean. But at
the same time, I'm like, someone's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Got to win this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
And ultimately I was like, well, if I seen Kingsman
three hundred times, like I have Turtles, what would I pick?
And I'm like, well, I probably picked the Turtles, but
I haven't seen Kingsman three hundred times.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Look, I've seen the Turtles.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And so it left me with what do I want
to watch again right now, this very moment. And if
I had to watch another movie right now, this very moment,
It's gonna be Kingsmiths All because the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Script of the Turtles, it just takes it. It's just
hard to listen.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
To in some certain moments, and for me, that stood
out more so than the cutting, editing, the editing food
pars of Kingsmen. That kind of itched the back of
my head. So, yeah, Kingsmen, Kingsman interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
That surprised me. But it's like picking your children. Man,
Like I like both movies on their own merit, you
know what I mean, And it's like I just I
just can't under nostalgia Turtles like, I have such a
good time watching it. I love the music, I love
all the little quips and things like that. It's fun
for me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
I will also say that both movies have sequels worth watching.
Right Obviously, Kingsman has two more sequels. Turtles has three
more live action sequels. For me, the Secret of the US.
If if we had been this had been Secret of Ooz,
Turtles would have one hands down because for me, that
movie they I haven't seen it in thirty years, and

(01:03:21):
I'm assuming that that movie still holds up to what
my memory thought it was, which was a better Turtles
movie than this was. We just got everything they couldn't
do because we had more of a budget in Secret
of the U's So that's that's where that'll go. But
both sequels. In fact, I'll probably watch Secret the US.
I got the four discs, the four DVD disc if

(01:03:44):
you guys want to buy it, it is on EVA.
But I will probably go ahead and watch Time at
least one time through Yeah, and Uh yeah, I'll be
done with it, but I'll check out Kingsman too.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Not a bad movie here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
All right too. It's about one TM and t one Kingsman.
You are the decision maker who's going to win this
random select.

Speaker 6 (01:04:05):
Very good. Okay. So, like I said, both movies equally fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
It's very weird how very similar they were in many
many ways, super weird. I enjoyed the I mean, he's
going a little bit too deep if you ask me
on TMT, But I did enjoy some of the vulnerability
kind of reminded me a little bit of X Men,
to be honest, the idea that they're offended at the
idea being called freaks and knowing that they're different and
eventually being accepted. They had to like become superheroes practically

(01:04:35):
to be accepted.

Speaker 6 (01:04:36):
But again, somebodre the X Men.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
So that aspect of it, that aspect of that vulnerability
as teenagers was cool.

Speaker 6 (01:04:44):
And it was done very nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
There's nothing deep about it, Like, there's nothing super serious
and heart heart touching about it, you know. To me,
it just was nineties nineties there there, That's all it
was to me. But yeah, but it was there subtly
there because in the nineties, when you know, when we fell,
we were told to get her asses back up, and

(01:05:07):
we were told, if you cry, I'll give you something
to cry about.

Speaker 6 (01:05:10):
So the Turtles had to be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Tough guys, and as nineties kids, we grew up being
tough guys.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
So there's that. So, like I said, this really wasn't
much of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
That sentimental specialness that that I saw, that Mikey saw.

Speaker 6 (01:05:21):
Not not for me. Kingsman, same thing, same same type
of story. Lost lost kid, lost kid has to find
a way, somebody rescues him to help him find his way.
So uh yeah, good stuff, very very similar. I did,
of course, end up going with Kingsman's Secret Service. I
don't know if you guys can see it there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Because honestly, hands down it was the better film I didn't.
I didn't go into either one with with nostalgia or
with memories or with anything of that nature to hold
on to you. I didn't even go into it with
the idea that I'm gonna like it because it'll confirm
all my conspiracy theories and this, and that.

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
It actually was a really good film.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
The dialogue was great, the pace was was absolutely perfect.
If I was going to recommend this film versus TMNT
to anybody, I would say, hey, watch Kingsman before you
waste your time watching a movie that barely is clinging
at the fingertips to hold up, especially because we do
have the other the other TMNT movies that came out,

(01:06:23):
and I actually appreciated those, to be honest, they are
pretty funny, same formula, So don't get me wrong, this
movie is this. This TMNT is a good movie, same formula.
They're witty, they have one liners, they're silly, they're teenagers.
The only my only problem with the with the most
recent ones is that they were just gigantic and buff.
And that's that's weird, Like they're supposed to be teenagers

(01:06:44):
and they're just like super beefed out. But yeah, a
good movie overall doesn't hold up, not not to me,
I'm a girl or whatever you want to say.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I don't care. Kingsman Secret Service.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Oh tmn T two point five out of five, Kingsman three.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
Three out of five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Okay, that the gap seemed bigger, you know what I mean,
Like from a five point differential, you know what I mean?
That means No, just the way you were saying that
this that the that TMNT was just kind of seems
like it was. It didn't age well for you. Is
that kind of No, it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Not for me, it doesn't. But again, it's a good movie.
It's still a damn good movie. Still silly. I would
if my kids were still six, seven, eight years old,
then I would sit their asses down and have them
watch it. Learn something, kid. But you know, aside from that, no,
I don't think any adult should be watching it unless
it's holds.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
If you're l A.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
If you're in LA, maybe do that. If you're currently
a Los Angeles, maybe do that. Making some stuff done,
get some change, be the change you want to see
in the world. I can see both of your points
in regards to Kingsmen. I uh, what just happened? My
screen just went black. Okay, I'm back, and I think

(01:08:11):
you guys are muted. Say something people's oh I fucking
love it? Yeah, okay, hold on, hold on, it's nothing.
It's everything completely down. During this recording of this episode,
I can hear me, I can't hear them. Try coming

(01:08:34):
out and going back in for me. Please thank you
as we figure this out. As always so teenage mutant Ninja.
Turtles did not make it. It is going to be kingsmen,
and of course this aches my turtle loving heart, but

(01:08:56):
that is the nature of random select. All right, Toots,
are you back? There's anybody back, Let's go, Let's bring
them all back. It's everybody. There's double toots, there's another Toots.

Speaker 6 (01:09:17):
Why is there so many?

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Me? Me, me, me, me too.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I'm a star baby, I'm a star baby.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Life is better cabaret.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Jerry, grab my wine, Jerry, Jerry.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Why isn't Wash here? Dog?

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
He is looking at him?

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
This thing is so fucked. Why he's not on screen?

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
On my ar? He heard my lies of an Ali
impression and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
I hate everything, dude. Why is this ship the way
it is? You're not showing live on the chair.

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
He just left. He just left, and he's gonna bounce
back in right now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Why must my life be so j Jerry.

Speaker 6 (01:10:05):
We're having problems, Jerry, we're having problems.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Jerry. I'm never gonna never got to make it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:16):
Why don't you love me?

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Why don't you love You do that pretty well?

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Actually I know I do it all the time, jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
For no reason for Wash is not coming back.

Speaker 6 (01:10:27):
Doug, he's here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
He's not he's here, he's here, but the nerd can't
see it.

Speaker 6 (01:10:35):
Doug, he said, go ahead and wrap.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
That's wrap, all right, fair enough. There's always some kind
of technical difficulty with us, and that's just the way
things are for right now. And that's freaking okay. We
are wrapping this, and there's always a strange wrap at
the end of random selects. But that's okay. We make
it work. We get our point A damn cross. I

(01:11:01):
try what word? Time? Hide on stream? So on stream?
Are we? Nope? Fine? All right, So this is the
end of round two. Round one is the.

Speaker 6 (01:11:14):
End of round one and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Of round one. So we have our stages set for
round two, which will be starting soon, which I believe
will be help me out here too. It's Round two
will be.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Kick asss versus Kingsman.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Kick Ass versus Scott Pilgrim and the Pilgrim. Yes, and
then it will be astro boy versus Kingsman. Right right,
mm hmmm, a lot of Matthew Vaughn.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Right, that's weird. Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Scott just makes a good movie. I guess I suppose.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Versus Scott Scott Pilgrim. That's gonna be interesting.

Speaker 6 (01:11:53):
That's that's that's that is the same movie.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yes, so that is pretty much to say literal and
kingsman versus secrets.

Speaker 6 (01:12:02):
Hold on, hold on, say it again Brian speak, he said,
let me let me translate, let me just transfer this message,
he said. At least we don't have to watch them again.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
That's you, guys. I'm gonna watch them again because that's
what I do. Do you a favorite go oh, welcome
the Bride's sock it to us from the other.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
Side, Doug, I feel like me and Brian are about
to make a pottery like like pottery, and.

Speaker 6 (01:12:41):
I feel like, all right, wrap it up, wrapping up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
This is m O. T. N. Radham select or literally
everything that can happen will happen. Thank you so much
for being a part of this. If you want to
follow along, you probably have already seen these movies, but
watch them again. We're gonna be doing this again in
two weeks, time for round two, where two where four
films are going to go head to head against each
other and have victorious winnings. Any final thoughts toutes before

(01:13:09):
we close this bad way out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
Uh no, just make sure to be there every Friday
six pm for our livestream on YouTube MLTM line and
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Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
For Tuti's toy Box where she does things with action figures,
and be fair for Watch's cade where he just played
Marvel Snap out of sheer insanity. He wants to play.
He played Marvel Snap, and I am doing figure it
out where I'm losing my mind to action figures and
giving you gut make it and giving you the opportunity

(01:13:38):
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(01:14:22):
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