MOTN Random Select: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World (2010) Vs. Old Boy (2003)

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The Nerdiverse randomly chooses 8 films that must battle within a pop culture genre and we pick who will win!

Round One: Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World (2010) Vs. Old Boy (2003)

Will the gritty and disturbing adaptation of a crime thriller manga destroy a light-hearted tale of a young bass player from Toronto?

Watch and find out!

Episode Transcript

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We are recording I am Mike g This is mot
and Random Select where we choose randomly eight genre films
that are pitted against each other randomly as well, and
this trio of three Amigos, two Amigos and one Amiga

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gets to decide who would be the ultimate champion. We're back.
We're in the heat of things. Two films have been
eliminated and we have two up for the fight right now,
Let's do introductions all around for those who are finding
us for the first time. Let's start with the man himself,
the not so evil. I wouldn't say x wash, what's

(01:39):
going on?

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Yo? What up? I don't know what any of those
words mean in that sentence, but I am not evil.
Let's get that that. That's straight. I am not the villain,
which is what you know. I heard in my head
a couple of different times. I don't know if we
have any Razor Ramone fans here, but I'm the villain.
I'm the bad guy. That's what I've been saying. I

(02:01):
know you put the filling in my head. It's like
I am the bad guy. You know. I will never
say that, but yeah, anyway, Hi, welcome back boxing match.
Let's roll.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yes, speaking of boxing, we have Ramona Flowers his own
motivational speaker to d odin. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Hi, guys, are all of you? I'm am tout. Oh,
I'm making you And if Brian's the evil exes, I
mean you guys used to date tell me not yours.
I just thought there was I thought there was attention here.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
If there was any bad blood we made up. I'll
just put very nice. There was ever any bad blood.
At one time he gave me a small piece of
cheese out of the big block. I kind of held
it against him for a while, but I.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Got no no, yeah, the small I mean, I'm from Wisconsin.
I need my block of cheese.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
I feel it man Justified.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Speaking of Justify, we have two unjustly films here and
where there's really no hero or villain in either of
these films. If you want to keep it a buck,
today we will be discussing the two thousand and ten
film adaptation by Edgar Wright Scott Pilgrim Versus the World.

(03:33):
I'm trying to remember this off the top of my dome,
and of course the two thousand and three adaptation of
a manga which is Old Boy by Park Chan Wook.
I don't know where to start with these two.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Can I start with random select? Can I just start
with random select? And how completely random we picked these movies,
eight movies into visually with no rhyme or reason talking
to each other. Then pick them absolutely randomly. And if
you look at the battles that we've had, we have

(04:11):
reoccurring strange themes. We have movies that are both like subtitled.
We have just strange, weird things coming out out of
Random Select, and I'm here for it. But I started
watching these two movies and I'm like, what, out of
all the movies, how do we keep hitting like these

(04:32):
diametric like similarities.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
What do you guys think the main theme is here?
I already have my answer. I just want to know
if you guys are on the same page with it.
Letting them go, I Revenge.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah, it's like it's like the theme of letting to me.
It's like the theme of letting it go, you know,
like they're both both characters in this film need to
just let it go.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
These like I'll go with you, Revenge toutor it's a
film and they're both merch worts films which I didn't
kind of see coming question mark anyway, moving on Kung.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Fu Magic Trey, Let's just start with the old, the
good old Random Select question, what is your history with
these two films? Let's start with Toots. What's your history
with these two films?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
With Old Boy, I watched a very long time ago.
I must have been maybe nineteen, maybe twenty years old,
and full disclosure I was actually watching it. I was
on a date with one of my very first girl
crushes at the time, and I was really trying to
impress her, so I let her just just put on
whatever you want, whatever you want to watch, I'm good.
She happened to choose Old Boy for some reason, and

(05:58):
I remember we watched them. I loved the movie at
the time. I was like, oh my god, that's that's
so brilliant. And then I remember actually she was a neighbor.
I remember actually riding my bike back home to my
mom's house, totally disturbed and fried by it, and and
it just sat with me. But it's still I never
understood it to be anything else, but man, that was
a good movie. What a twist, but also a really

(06:19):
good movie with Scott Pilgrim. I didn't watch it when
it first came out. I didn't really uh watch because
of the hype or anything. It was somewhat popular when
it when it came out. I kind of watched it
a little bit afterward, like randomly on HBO or whatever,
you know when they play movies on. Yeah, it was

(06:41):
just one of those situations, and I remember being extremely
surprised at how much I actually really enjoyed the movie.
Michael Sarah was in his prime at the time when
he made the film. I was what I do remember
walking away with from the movie is he wasn't as
I remember thinking, he wasn't as funny as it wasn't
super bad. But obviously he wasn't playing the same character,

(07:03):
and at the same time he kind of was. He
was kind of just playing the goofy, dorky, very shy,
very timid, insecure, skinny white guy. But yeah, I did
leave the movie fully satisfied. When I want to watch
Scott Pigrim for sure, joyful movie, very.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Cool, very cool. How about you watch where was wash
when Old Boy dropped? I need to know where were
you in the universe?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I that was two thousand and three. I was just
having a conversation about two thousand and three. We call
those the lost years between, like two thousand and three
two thousand and six. I come into consciousness at about
two thousand and six, like, ah, well that was fun.
So anyway, I come into consciousness in two thousand and six.

(07:53):
I did not get The Old Boy until like twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. I I really recently watched this movie and
I was sick, I like delirious six, sitting on my
couch or laying on my couch, and this was just on,
you know what I mean, Like this old boy movie
came on and I was like, all right, well, I'm

(08:15):
too ill to turn the channel, so I will watch it.
And I remember watching it and getting done and going, man,
that was really good. That's all I really remember. Scott Pilgrim.
I had not seen Scott Pilgrim. I had seen, you know,
the clips that people saw. But I like how Tudy

(08:36):
referred to Michael Sarah and his prime because I was like, oh,
this is good, Michael Sarah. That's right, Michael. Just joking
at any rate. So I was not really in the
know except that it was a big, you know, nerdiverse thing.
But I did not really know why. When it started.

(08:58):
I was not informed that it was a musical, and
so my hesitation went up by like fifteen because lord knows,
I was not in the mood for some crappy music
for two hours. So that was my experience with both movies.
Very cool, not experience, but my history with them.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Both. There's something special about the Delirious Sick movie. You know,
the one you watch when you're dying and you're just
in band with eighteen covers and you just put on something.
Those movies stick with you, don't they.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's all you can focus. So you're.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Got a bucket, some Campbell soup and a gatorade and
you're just watching The Fly or something, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
In fact, I'm glad you mentioned that because I remember
getting done with it and I was so intrigued by
it that I went and found the the new version
with Thanos their boy, I can't remember his name. So
when we went back to do this rewatch, I think
I might have got them confused because I thought that

(10:06):
this was much more based about a dude who died
and was brought back the life. But I was sick,
remember now, delirious sick, So when the suitcase kind of
got me thinking about a casket, I thing.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So anyway, man, that reminds me of the spirit. But
also with Samuel Jackson, who's in the remake of the
remake of Old.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Boy, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Did you guys watch the remake?

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I tried, I couldn't get through it. I liked it.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
There's no way I already knew there was no way
it was going to top the original. So aside from
I mean, I mean, the selling point is it's in English, so.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I don't have to think it's okay. I could straight
up straight up. So for me, Old Boy was one
of those movies where the hallway scene caught up to
me before the movie. That was the big clip that
was going on YouTube back in the day.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Literally I wrote it down as my favorite scene.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Yes, it's the most scene in the whole film, right,
the single shot halways scene, the tiredness, the bloodiness, the visceralness.
You can see it. You can see shades of it
in Daredevil and another movie on this list, The Kingsman,
And it's just one of those scenes where out of

(11:32):
context it's beautiful, but in the context of the film
we'll go into it further later, it's just heart wrenching.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
And so are we doing spoilers by the way, yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think with selects we can go full spoiler.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, I gotta be the only person on the
face of the planet who hadn't seen Scott Pilgrim, So yeah,
we're good to go there.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Cool being. So just to wrap up, Oh Boy, I
saw it way back into one of those college films
you're just kind of like, you're hoity toity, smart friend,
you gotta watch you gotta watch Old Boy. You know.
It was like okay and I and I kind of
watched it debriated. I can't lie. I watched it drunk
back in the day, not drunk, but I buzzed, you know,

(12:12):
So I didn't get the meaning of it. I was
just like, oh, that's gross, and I moved on and
none of it hit me like it did this the
next watch. So I watched this inebriated in college with
my jerk pastry chef college friend and we were just
like laughing and just trying to read while drunk is
not fun. Yeah, I didn't know half of what they

(12:35):
were talking. I was drifted off checking my phone. It
was bad. But for Scott Pilgrim, I was extremely weary
of this film because this was one of the very
first films that this film that Scott Pilgrim Versus the
World was one of the very first books I read
from start to finish. Bought every single volume, read top

(12:58):
the bottom back in the day. Jeffrey's Comics Shout Out.
Jeffrey's Comic Shout Out Jeffrey would do comic club nights
on Tuesdays where he would pick a graphic novel and
we would all buy it in a fun way for
him to make money and shout out to jeff and
we would all just talk about the book, and he
got and he loved Scott Pilgrim Versus the World. So
that was one of the ones that I picked up.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And I just loved it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Absolutely loved the book and manga style, black and white.
It was amazing. I love the story of Scott Pilgrim.
Fun fact, all the songs they put the baseline in
the books, so if you wanted to learn how to
play it on bass, you can.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
That's dope.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah. So when I was in high school and I
was learning how to play bass, I learned how to
play most of the basslines in Scott Pilgrim and that
helped me practice. So every time I bought it, I
do it.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
You went in high school when it came out?

Speaker 1 (13:46):
No, not in high school. No the manga.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Oh oh okay, that meant the movie. Oh yeah, no,
that makes sense because it's not in the movie. Okay, No, yeah,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
No worries.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Okay, can I ask you a question in regards to
the manga, like what is the time period of the manga?
Like how long does this take place over?

Speaker 1 (14:05):
In like reality, it's like over a year almost. Because
one of the main things that is not present in
this film is Canada in Montreal or is it Toronto.
I think it's Montreal, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Toronto, Like
Toronto is a big character in the book. They accurately

(14:27):
draw the city, the scapes, the malls, all the stuff
that they've torn down by now. So Toronto was a
big character in the book, and that kind that's kind
of left out in this movie, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I think it's very possible they didn't want to alienate
the audience into oh it's a Canadian film, you know
what I mean. I think Michael Sarah himself is Canadian.
I think a lot of the other actors are are
themselves Canadian born. I wouldn't have seen it that way,
but you know, they were trying to reach a certain demo,
and a lot of that demo happens to have a
lot of pool in the United States, so I can
see they wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yeah, if you were in scott Pilgrim and have not
made a million dollars since. I'm sorry, because everybody hit
this movie. This movie's like, uh like ten people are
all like now like household names. Wow, that's pretty impressive.
You guys are all like nineteen to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Let's get into it. Just just to end my history
of the movie. Yeah, I loved it and didn't because
there was it's hard. We read the book. It's hard
not to be a snob and love the movie more
than the book, you know what I mean. But you know,
we'll talk about that. Let's get into Scott Pilgrim twenty
ten director Edgar Right. Synopsis. A young man must must

(15:40):
defeat his new girlfriend seven evil x's who are willing
to do anything to prevent her happiness with someone else.
Fun fact, did you know the forecast members made made
up the band sex Babom spent several weeks learning how
to play together as a band. Mark Webber, Alisa Peel,
Johnny Simmons had to learn their instruments from scratch, while

(16:02):
Michael Sarah had to dumb down his bass playing in
order to not outshine his bandmates. That's cool, Pretty cool,
that's cool.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
That's really cool.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Let's get into it. It's good.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's funny. He didn't really like play the bass then much. Yeah,
looks like a.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Two or three records in the entire film.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, it's just yeah, it just kind of interesting what
they chose to focus on in this film and what
they chose not to focus on from the from the
manga or from the and you know, the book, so
to speak.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Can I tell you one thing that I did not
like about this film, and it might be because I'm
an old, crotchety woman now, I didn't like how pretentious
they were. I hope I wasn't like that when I
was nineteen to twenty two, and I probably was. We
were probably super assholes at nineteen twenty two. I could not.
I couldn't. I couldn't do it. Like I wanted to,

(17:03):
like find the character so cute and so daring, and
I did not. They were very fucking annoying to me,
every single one of them. Every single one of them
was absolutely annoying. It was really hard to keep up with,
especially the drummer. The drummer was I could not stand her.
I didn't like her attitude and like how negative she
was and didn't like how I didn't like any of it, Like, wow,
what a bitch like I would I would have definitely

(17:23):
not hung out with somebody like that who was always
a wet blanket for no reason, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
I just I couldn't the pretentiousness of this film. Overall,
not a fan, But again, the film was. It was
really good, really good. It gradually gets better and better

(17:44):
as it goes on because it doesn't stick to the
introduction is how shitty these kids are. It doesn't stick
to it. They actually become their own, actual individual people,
which is really nice, which is really good to see.
And it all the way to the end, good stuff,
all the way to the end.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh yeah, and there's a lot of Catharsis in this movie.
I think he just hit then on the head, like
a lot of people have like a through line of
their character, even like knives child to Scott himself, freaking child, dude.
It's hard not to gush about Scott Pilgrim because it

(18:22):
holds such a special place in my heart because I was,
you know, I could see a lot of myself in
Scott back in the day. You know, you know, you're
trying to navigate relationships as a as a teenager, you
know what I mean, and it doesn't always go your way.
But the sucond you think about Scott is that Scott
was in college dating a high schooler, which was ill.

(18:46):
Even back then it was super It's always been ill, right,
but it's like they're making an emphasis to make it
ill in this in this storyline, and it kind of
tells you right up front where Scott is in his maturity,
you know what I mean, and how he has to
grow throughout this entire storyline, you know what I mean.

(19:09):
Any thoughts.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Uh these kids, I found myself torn because I was
I felt strongly like Touty does about the kick ass kids.
I felt as strongly about what Touty says about these kids,
about those kids, Whereas I was watching these kids and
yes they are little assholes, but I wasn't as offended

(19:32):
by them for whatever reason. And I think for me,
it comes down to Scott Pilgrim, like again, I'm gonna
go back to the bad music. When this started, I
was like, oh no, AREM I about to get like
terrible music? And look, I'm a proud guy and the
music was freaking great. To go the band sex Ba Pops.

(19:56):
They were good, and thus it pulled the whole d
thing together right if they had not been good, if
the background music had been bad, like even places in
the movie where it just went like Batman and Robin
nineteen seventies, oh wam, and you're like all right, well

(20:18):
that came out of nowhere. The music in the background.
It was so fitting to every scene that for me
watching this, it kind of took over for me, Like
the Sexs kind of took over for me. And it's
not that I was following their journey, but I was

(20:39):
more interested in kind of like this band as like
a group, as a unity going through all this drama.
Like yeah, dude, there's no girls allowed at band practice, Bro,
I'm trying to get a sign. I've worked in music.
This dude's over here trying to like get his band sign,

(21:00):
and your jackass basis is just like, yeah, I'm never around, bro,
I'm never around. It wouldn't work if they were bad,
but they were good, So for me that comes together
and brings some of the charmingness out of these little
pretentious ales. I get it too, dude, I get it.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Yeah, Yeah, I wasn't trying to be old lady. I
promise I was, Like I said, I still enjoyed the movie.
The movie is actually extremely adorable. But again I was
watching it, I was putting myself in their shoes, and
I was kind of grossed.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Out, Like, yo, was I like that?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
And yeah, probably I was probably, Oh god, I was
probably like that, you know what I mean, how embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
I have to say. There are not a lot of
things that make me want to go back to, like
you know two thousand and six that I was talking about,
But this movie, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember
going to clubs with my friends to watch the band
like that was a good time, you know what I'm mean.
And I thought that. I thought that it had a

(22:03):
lot of heart. And let me not forget Harrison Dula,
which I have to be honest, I was just like
Harrison Dullah the entire time. Ramota, Yes, Mary Elizabeth Winstead,
thank you very much?

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yes, uh so?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
And Obi Wan Kenobi's actual real life wife, So I
do have to throw that in there, because you know,
Star Wars, But at any rate, watching her in this
like it was so much better than I thought it
was going to be. I was so much more pleasantly
happy with the writing, and Edgar writes other films. I'm

(22:42):
not a huge fan of you said one super Troopers.
I don't really like that, Like it's not my thing.
I love it, Yeah, Edgar.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Wright, shann of the Dead, No Dead, Okay, just making sure.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, no, I don't. I don't think he did. I
don't think he did.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Who did the Dead?

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Then the Dead?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
I looked it up.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure. It's like his breakthrough.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Oh, you're right, You're absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Oh,
I wonder I like him so much, man, dog.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
You know you mentioned the music Watch he did progressively
get worse until he was ousted out of Hollywood. Shout
outs Edgar Right, if you're listening.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
The music is a Star Wars film.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Who is it is directing a Star Wars film. Mike
g is directing a Star Wars film. It's gonna be horrible.
It's gonna have nothing but ewoks, Jedi ewoks. It's gonna
be amazing. The music is definitely a pillar of this film.
You know, It's like it's like video game tropes, relationship

(24:09):
issues music, and it's like one of those things where
I'm sure in the in the writing room. It's like,
we gotta nail the music in a Scott Pilgrim versus
the world music based manga. It's like, so you saying like, oh, no,
is this gonna be cringey music that it's gonna have
to power through? No, I think they had an obligation

(24:29):
to write some really sick ass music, you know what
I mean, everything, you know, So I'm really happy that
as a fan they nailed the sound. And it's what's
craziest when you read the manga. When you read the
manga and you and you read there's no music to
the book, so you have to read the lyrics and
imagine what it sounds like. And it's one of those

(24:50):
things like the Pets, you know, when when you read
pet Cemetery and then see pet Cemetery is how you
imagined it in your mind. The music playing is as
I imagined it when read it in the book, and
that gave.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
And that's one of the really creative things about it
because I wasn't familiar with the comic book, but I
am familiar with the video game, right, and the video game,
the eight Big video game, Like yeah, you know what
I mean? It had a cool freaking soundtrack to the
back of it. But when you talk about like comic books, yeah,
you can't do that. So before the movie, before the

(25:25):
video game, how do you have the balls to be like,
I'm going to write a musical and put it on paper,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (25:35):
No?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
I no, no, okay, no, they were not singing, right, yeah,
they weren't singing. No, I'm not going to consider it
a music.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
I wouldn't. I don't. I love musicals, so I wouldn't
consider it so much.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
As it's a high fidelity you know what I'm saying.
It's a high fidelity where music is the core. But
it's not a music for sures.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know what I do love about the movie is
the entire time, literally from the very beginning, from the
very first word that's ever spoken, the entire film is
full of vulnerability, full of teenage angst or the leftover
of what teenage angs would be when you're in college.
Such done so brilliantly. Those actors, like you said, Brian,
they really did hit the mark absolutely. Yeah, issues.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Like everybody was in the freaking film. Everybody was in
that film. In fact, a bunch of people haven't seen
in a while we're in that film. I'm assuming that's
where Allison Allison Pell came from from Heroes. I don't
want to like quote myself, but didn't Heroes come on
and like shortly thereafter this, give or take it.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
About the same time, ish, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
At the same time, yeah, because I was like, oh,
Ellis and Peel, I haven't seen her in a while.
At any rate, the one down that I had with
this film is going to be the fact that the timeline,
Like I love the idea, the seven Evil Axes, and yeah,
you gotta go through these dudes if you want to
shot at me, cool whatever, you know, kind of weird,

(27:14):
but whatever, I get it. Everybody's got baggage. So at
any rate, like, it's hard to do that in a
two hour movie. And by our one thirty eight, I
was like, we're on like number five, Like, what are
we doing? How are we gonna get this done? And
they and they clocked it out with the twins. I

(27:36):
was like, oh, that's creative, ad you did the twin thing,
and then they really got to the end of the movie.
So that's one of my questions about the time span.
If this was something, if we saw this over God
forbid over a god forbid, like a Netflix series of
a season of like eight episodes, each episode being a

(27:58):
boyfriend building up to something. Yeah, that could him putting
together the league, like that could be super cool. But yeah,
it just was a little short.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
A couple of things on that. It's funny you mentioned
the Netflix show, because there is a Scott Pilgrim animated
Netflix show where all the cast of this movie come
back and do the season. Yeah, it's total differently, all
the tasks from this specific movie come back to from
this ani an animation form.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So if you want to but they what do you
mean the story is told differently? Yeah, it's like a
guy or is it just a different story?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'll say this. The very first episode Scott dies.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Oh yeah, no, I'm not interested change. I mean he
does die in the movie as well.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
But of course that's not the end of Scott Pilgrim.
But it's boiler spoiler. But you know, things happen. But yeah,
like Chris Chris Evans is in this Oscar Award winning
hearing Hulkien is in this film Oscar.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
He did do that.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
He did that, though he.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Did he also he carried a lot of weight in
this film too, was freaking hilarious.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
In this he was actually probably the probably my favorite
character in the entire movie. He probably was apologized for
Scott respectively accidentally seeing other man Wang because it was
just so adorable. It was the cutest thing.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, Young Neil is my favorite character because I like
young Neil Neil.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
You are now Neil Neil who became Neil.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
Yeah, real ship. But also also, like in the book,
you can see the seasons change in the book, like,
so there is a progression of time that I think
what you're looking for Wash is that it takes a
while and his relationship gets weirder and weirder with Ramona
and Knives kind of rather than Knives going from zero

(29:59):
to crazy, you kind of see her go from like
almost like a almost like a like a sight shining.
You get to see her kind of descend into I
hate Ramona. She took my man, you know what I mean,
And it's a little bit more interesting and playing out.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I honestly like the way they did it in the
movie though, because that's what a seventeen year old in
love would do. That that'd be an impulsive move, especially
she brought the Asian and Japanese influences to the entire character,
Like this is what you would expect a cartoonish not
no disrespect to the role obviously, but a cartoonish anime
female character to do. You would expect her to revenge automatically,

(30:41):
like no, you broke the heart of the man who
broke mine, you know what I mean, like as a
seventeen year old, like who's full of energy? Yeah, I
expected her to act exactly the way she did, aside
from all the video game stuff obviously, which was brilliantly
done by the way. I love the fight scenes. Every
fight scene was so good. But no, she came correct.

(31:02):
I think I love knives. She came correct.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah she's too.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Cool for him, you know she is?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
And yeah, dude, all the everybody's too cool for him.
I mean, Ramona has her issues too, Miss Harrison Nola
has her issues as well. But you know, it's like
Scott is not a good guy.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
And that's the point. Scott is kind of a scumbag,
and you see it leak like it's like I guess,
like if they made a movie about you know, at
till of the Hunt and he's the hero, Like what, like,
why are we putting until of the hunt in this light,
you know what I mean? Whereas Scott is like, now

(31:50):
we start the movie with infinity, We start the movie
with him dating underage people that he cheats on her
immediately after he sees Ravona Flowers And what did he say,
I'm not cheating on you were voted, I'm cheating on
knives with you? Right?

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Isn't it the same thing? No?

Speaker 2 (32:09):
And that's one one other thing I'll give this movie.
And Mike knows this. He's heard me complain about romance
in my movies, like if it's not gone with the wind,
like I don't necessarily need it. And thus it's like
it worked, like the relationships worked. I didn't find myself
rolling my eyes like it like, oh god, what are

(32:29):
we doing? It seemed genuine in its complexities of relationships
at that age, is what I guess exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah, Okay, I have to ask a question before we
close out our thoughts on this. Who's your favorite evil X?
And Scott doesn't count?

Speaker 3 (32:55):
H Well, for me, it would be uh Chris Evans
that that that very very first fight scene where Scott
actually shows his stuff was very good. If you don't
understand the movie, it's you don't really know what's going on.
Even by not knowing what's going on, it's still amazing
scenes that are happening and that entire thing. So you

(33:16):
can just clip that that whole act and just see, like,
oh shit, this movie's probably really good. I loved it.
I loved every second of it. Chris Evans played the
cocky He's so good at at playing cocky guy. I
saw his character being very similar to Captain America, to
be honest, so I thought that was kind of cool.
And I don't it's not that he's typecast. I just

(33:39):
think that these roles just happened to coincide because well, one,
they're both kind of fantasy comic roles. So he was
really like pouring himself into all of it and also
parroting the role of an actor. He acted the way
an actor would act, an actor who was broken hearted,
an actor who had an ex leave him. He was
perfect for it. Yeah, Chris Evans hands down my favorite X.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
And it's like, there's girls here, there's girls here, that's
all damn it. Who was his first fight with I
can'tnot remember.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Trying.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I'm trying to think. I can't remember I remember watching
that and I was like, this is freaking cool, and
it's funny that I don't remember like the villain, but
that was my favorite fight, whatever that first one was.
But I did find the Vegan funny, just that whole
Vegan thing and what was that? Oh damn super Superman,

(34:44):
super ship. That's funny. I didn't catch that. I didn't
even catch that. That's funny. Yeah, Vegan cops come in
youate you ate pork? On May seventeenth, he's like, did
you really.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Funny? One of those cops is Thomas Jane the Punisher.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yes, yes it is. I caught that because I know
him from The Bug Show where he plays like a
maintenance guy or something. In this small little community that's
filled looks like UFOs and whatnot. I'll figure it out
another day.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Moving on perfect If I had to pick one, it's
probably her lesbian lover who was not by curious but
by furious, you know what I mean, And so I
think she was super cool. And also I gotta love
the last boss, Gideon. Gideon is super cool because Gideon's
so unlikable and so likable at the same I love

(35:39):
bosses like that. If you went a trope. I love
the bad guy who was who was like neat, like
the bad guy you can have a beer with, you know,
like they had of Elector Doctor Doube type where it's like, yeah,
he's evil, but I could probably. This guy's kind of cool, right,
Like I'm a little envious. This guy's got a swaggy
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
I love that, But he had the razor from my
own think going. He's like I'm the bad guy, Like, yeah,
I know what I am. He's sitting on this Dennis
frigging little chair at the club like it's like, bro,
get out of here. It's so irritated. I was upset.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
He looks like he was from Latveria, you know what
I'm saying. Like he literally looked like a Marvel villain.
And I love I love like outside of Scott and
he was one of the only characters that could break
the fourth wall, you know what I mean, and like
understand what he's in. And I think, like a special
shout out to Nega Scott because Negars Scott is goaded

(36:37):
and Negga Scott's a pretty alright chill guy.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
You know.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Negus Scott, the very very secret the secret character last
boss of the movie, how do you Fight Yourself?

Speaker 3 (36:49):
Well introduced in the video game.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Nega Scott, Yeah, just talking.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, I like that part when he comes walking. I'm like,
that's very Michael Sarah like, all right, have a good day.
I'll catch you for lunch next week.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Yeah, he's all right. God, we have a lot in common.
Any last thoughts on Scott Hilgrim. We got we got
some good talking out on this one.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Surprisingly surprisingly fun watch, surprisingly fun watch, I will I
was shocked at myself when it ended, and I was like,
that was two hours. I don't even think I paused.
I think I watched it straight through too, So yeah,
cool beings.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
How about you, tutes?

Speaker 3 (37:33):
I was less satisfied. It's very good movie, Like I said,
very joyful, very fun, very full circle and that's exactly
what you want in the movie.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
So I don't think we've done it. But like top
five comic book adaptations, I mean top ten comic book adaptations,
comic book movie ads.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
This may be on the list, It would probably be
on the list, but it wouldn't be very high up
on my list because there's way too many good ones.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
It's way too many Batman nineteen eighty nine. Then Scott
Pilgrim like blasphemy, what well, we have some.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
City, we have the friend data, we have we have
the Watchmen for crying out loud. Yeah, No, there's too
many good ones that people are really missing out on
because they're so focused on the Marvel universe, which is.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
It's a shame. It's a shame. You're I can. I
could talk for hours about the hitt and gems of
comic book adaptations that, like you said, people just aren't
on right. I'm okay, watch.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
The V and watch V and Watchman Rocketeer. Holy crap,
wrote to Tradition. Get out of town, Get out of town.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
We have two Rocketeer people in the same room because
I cannot stand that movie. That is absolutely awful.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
You know what Michael was.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Michael was upset. Michael was upset.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
What I said, set Now, I.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Don't love that. That's one of That's a very good movie. Actually,
I got a rocket.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
Tracy and Out and al Pacino and ship. I have
a Rocketeer back there in the village Dog.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
And you can catch more of this banter on n.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
A six pm Pacific standard. Watch might get mad again
because someone will upset. Speaking of upsetting things, let's roll
right into this this bag of candy. Let's roll right
into this big ass bag of candy. Old Boy based
off the manga UH. Two thousand and three is when
this came out, directed by Park Chan walk synopsis. After

(39:43):
being kidnapped and in prison for fifteen years, Old day
Soul is released, only to find that he must track
down his captor in five days. Did you know that
Choi men sick the main character? They Sue trained for
six weeks and lost twenty pounds to get in shape

(40:04):
for the role of day Sue and then most of
his own stunt work.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Nice twenty pounds. That's nothing. Well, it's nothing for a
fat person. I guess that's nothing.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
Bed and shed twenty pounds. Calm downbe lost that weight
he got cut. We'll show off he was in They
put him in that room for fifteen years. You lost.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
That's it, Michael.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Why don't you start us off? Man?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
There you go?

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Why don't you start us off?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Why do I get the hard work or starting off
with this so intellectually like complex kaleidoscope of emotion?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Oh, you named the podcast.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I did name the podcast.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
That's why dang it.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
By my own batar. Old Boy is one of those
films where it's one of those movies you don't it's
not like, oh, I have an evening free, let me
watch Old Boy. Hey, we're having friends over, Let's watch
Old Boy. Like I'm surprised to says date you guys
watched Old Boy. It's like, hey, we have an evening

(41:16):
for you, let's watch Barters all right, reck Creem for
a Dream, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's not like, well, at the time it had just
come out, right, so it was maybe twenty oh three,
twenty oh four, so it must have been a movie
that was super like mind blow and she's like, you
gotta watch this. So not not that dykey. She wasn't
like that, but yeah she was like you have to
watch this. No, no, she wasn't like that, but yeah
she really meant it, like she was like, yeah, let's
so obviously Like I said, what was I gonna say? Now,

(41:42):
I don't feel like it. No, man, like I'm interested
in this girl. I wanted to, you know what I mean.
It was it was our first date. So I was like, yeah,
let's yeah, I'm down, bro. I the day the date
was over the day was over, like pretty much halfway
through the film, you know what I mean. So yeah,
and again like no, we're still friends even to this day.
She's she's a good she's a good old lady like
I am now. But but yeah, yeah, Like I I

(42:06):
went into it just a fresh face, move on nothing
of the nature of the subjects, and walked out extremely disturbed.
And I'm even well, I think I mentioned in the
chat the other day that this movie stuck in my teeth.
Because it did, I could not let go of it.
I had to process the entire things like as an adult,
like as a full blown adult that raised a family,

(42:28):
and you know what I mean that that went through
dynamics of of of of husbandry and domestic domestication and
all kinds of stuff. So I went through it in
a different filter throughout, with a different filter, not the
filter of a college kid who was just there to
you know, go on a day and have and impress,
impress somebody, you know what I mean. It was totally
different vibe, and so it stuck with me this time,
and I just recently watched it to do the homework.

(42:50):
It stuck it. In fact, it stuck so much I
literally last night had one of the worst dreams I've
ever had in my life. So this movie, this movie
is disgustingly sick, and we'll get there. For anybody who
hasn't watched it, there is going to be spoilers, but
it's still really worth the watch if I'm being honest,

(43:11):
because it's it's a very brilliant film. The soundtrack is
incredible in this entire movie. There's tension behind the classical
songs that they choose. This movie is absolutely, excuse me,
impressive to say the least, but also very disturbing. And
if you're not ready for the disturbing part the way
I wasn't as I approached it as a full grown adult,

(43:32):
it's gonna stick with you. It's gonna stay in your brain,
and it's gonna be like ew, why why do I
do that to myself?

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah? I completely concur Please don't get me when I
mentioned movies like Martyrs. Don't watch Martyrs in it reverse.
Please don't don't search that movie out like I lost
friendships over Martyrs. I like it. People stop talking to
me because I do what that was. It's no, I
can't be responsible. I'm not I on Mike, I'm not responsible.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
But here's the thing. Okay, here's the thing. Just because
a movie subject matter isn't our favorite or it's a
little bit taboo, if the movie's brilliant, you have to
acknowledge the brilliance of its direction and you know, and
the actors and their full commitment to what they're actually

(44:23):
going through and what they're actually doing. That's the part
that makes the movie brilliant. Oh, I didn't like it
because it was about murder. Like so, like, did you
actually watch the movie?

Speaker 2 (44:34):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (44:35):
So it is one of those films like Centipede. A
lot of people, it's a more popular one. A lot
of people are put off by Centipede because of the
subject matter and because of the visuals in the movie.
Think about the actors that had to do all of that, though,
and how committed they were to that role. These are
the things, These are the footprints that make a movie
as brilliant as it is, you know so, and I

(44:57):
feel the same about Old Boy hands down.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
These are a few of my favorite things. Missing tooth,
a blood hammer. Yeah, I think you can't. It's almost
like having a really you know what it is. These
movies are spicy dishes, right, Like think about it like this,
Like this movie it's.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
A kimchi movie.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
It's it's a spicy film, right, Like a lot of
people can't handle the heat, so they can't taste the flavor,
you know what I'm saying, Like you can't handle the heat,
so you don't even think about the dance of aromas
and flavors in the kimchi. We're not doing this. So
movies like Back on Toots, No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Superman.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
No here, you know it.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
It's just this movie is so smart and so beautifully shot,
and I like the use of hands in this movie.
They really have a beautiful emphasis on just creeping and
reaching and it's it's just the way it's shot is
so left of center than anything that's that that came
out in the US at that time. Like like watch Mention,
like I think you mentioned too, the music is amazing,

(46:13):
but the subject matter is not for the faint of heart.
Like I would ask anyone to watch Audition, which is
one of my favorite foreign films. It's not necessarily horror.
It's kind of like in the same vein almost but
the roles are reversed. You ever seen audition wash no ooh,
we gotta watch all some audition. But I think though

(46:36):
that is a whammy whammy. That is definitely a whammy.
But I think if you can get past the heat
of the subject matter, you can see the beauty in
this film, in the beauty, like to said, the beauty
and the performances, because everybody's killing it.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Where a lot of these actors are now, but everything
from the from the villain to his cool blonde haired
henchman that didn't really say a word and DUTs was like,
he's gonna do something cool. Check it out. Look at him.
He's just standing there. You know he's badass. You just
know it because he's just standing there. You know, down

(47:15):
to the titular day Soon, who could literally see lose
his mind throughout the course of this film to the
point of full psychotic break. Spoilers coming up soon, and
it's just something to be applauded. I think this is
one of those movies. It's a passion of the Christ
right watch it.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I think we need to actually spoil the movie now
instead of hinting to it, because that's not fair to
the audience.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, so let's do the synopsis real quick and with
the spoiler in mind, right right, So with that done,
him being kidnapped for fifteen years, meeting a girl immediately after,
which should have given out red flags, them falling in love,
and him going on this quest to find out why

(48:01):
in the course of what was it five days? That's
what I missed in the translation. He had five days
to figure it out or he was gonna die? Am I?
Am I wrong in that? What was the ultimatum given
to him by the by the main villain?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, he had about five days figured out, and they
were they were gonna take him back. Basically, they were
gonna capture. We turned him back into yeah, captivity. Yeah right?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
So who wants to spoil it? Because I can spoiled.
I don't want to. I don't I talk too much.
Who wants to spoil it?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Here's and now let Tudy say her piece. Here's what
I'm gonna say in regards to just this and the theme,
not even the theme. Do you when we did our
Silent Hill flore did?

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Did? Did?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Because I know Mike did, I don't remember Toody's answer.
Did you watch the place Silent Hill three, The Room.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, I did not.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
This gave me Silent Hill three, the Room vibes four
four that they came out afterwards. Then okay, because Silent
Hill three came out in two thousand and three, and
so the whole damn thing pretty much for me felt
like a horror flick from the word go again. My
second watch through, first time, I was ill. I found

(49:19):
that there's some holes that I'm gonna bring up, just
just the plot hole or two where I'm just left going,
ah what, But okay, but I I agree with everything
that has been said. I did not even notice the music,
Like I don't even remember music except for maybe the

(49:41):
hall the hallway scene. It was a brutal, brutal film
to watch, just from if you're putting yourself in the
in the place of this person, which is what film
wants us to do, is to put ourselves in their place.
Just the torture, the trauma, the I don't know why

(50:05):
I'm here, just that feeling alone is suffocating in this film,
and they do a great job of building that intensity.
And by the time we get to the end and
it's the I'm the bad guy, this dude's like a
villain out of a freaking comic book, you know what
I mean. Like he is a villain and he's literally

(50:27):
about to walk out the door. And I'm sitting here
and I'm like, wait, I said what this is an
awesome movie. I'm like, I'm like this, I don't know
what the word is, but I can no longer go
and be like, oh, yeah, old boy, that's an awesome movie.
I can't say that word with it. So on that

(50:50):
note to d go on, oh, I'm spoiling this.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Yeah, if you want to, you have teeth, so oh,
ready to spill the tea of this movie. This movie is,
as we've mentioned previously, just like Scott Program with the
common denominateds movies about revenge all the way around. Actually,
it actually starts off as a revenge film as we
find our protagonist in captivity who we find out it

(51:16):
has been in captivity for fifteen years, being captive by
a mysterious stranger who he has no idea who. He
has five days to find out who and why they
did what they did. In those five days, he randomly
finds himself on a very grassy hillside in a suitcase.
Pops a suitcase open. He has been released for whatever reason,

(51:39):
for very random reasons in his opinion, in his eyes,
he has been released. So he realizes that he has
a job to do. My job is to get revenge.
My job is to find out who did this. My
job is to find out who took my family from me.
And at the time, Dice Made was married to a

(52:00):
woman and they both had a daughter. They gave birth
to a little girl. It turns out that the revenge
is actually reversed. This person who kidnapped Yso was putting
revenge on him, and the reason why is because this
person who is the absolute villain, super hot villain by

(52:23):
the way he's super hot, but super like way way
Asian influenced way like the most Korean thing you can
ever see, honestly, and the way this villain actually reduces
Dyso to a to a dog almost literally, it's insane.
But the reason for the revenge is that Dyso was

(52:46):
as when they were children. He grew up with this
person apparently, which he finds out and discovers later on
in the movie. He found him being ancestral with his
sister that turned into something where the sister ended up
becoming pregnant, and it was a rumor that was spread
around their village or around their town. So what ended

(53:07):
up happening when they were in high school is that
the sister ended up killing herself. She ended up unliving herself.
As we say, so, we don't God forbid to we
get monetized for speaking about a movie. So the whole
thing is that the villain wants revenge on Diysol because
he's the reason why she's dead. Apparently he caught them

(53:28):
in the act. He started spreading the rumor about them,
and this is how the story begins. The revenge on
Dice is absolutely insane because this was not a choice
that he was given, and yet it was at the
same time. So as he was released. In the five
days that he was released, he runs into this female

(53:50):
in a sushi restaurant. He almost instantly falls in love
with her. She helps him, she for some reason falls
in love with him. At first, kind of starts off
as her being really sorry, feeling really sorry for him,
but yeah, they end up falling in love. They developed
this beautiful, amazing relationship and towards the end of the
movie he finally catches up to his villain. He sees

(54:14):
him and encounters him throughout the movie, but the villain's like, no, no, no,
you can't kill me yet because we're not done. No no, no,
you can't kill me yet because we're not done. Several
times throughout the film he meets up with him and
he's ready to kill him. Doesn't happen. For some reason,
he logically understands no, no, no, he's right, I need
this revenge. So at the end of the movie he

(54:37):
finds out exactly what is going on and what actually
ends up happening is this villain somehow was able to
trick and hypnotize both Daisau and this young woman into
falling in love with each other, which is why it
was instant. It took trigger words, it took trigger people,
it took an entire orchestrated agenda for them for for

(55:00):
this to actually fall into place, and it falls into
perfect place for this entire thing to play out. Turns
out when he finds him disaw he's gifted. He's gifted
this photo album. He opens a box, starts rummaging through
the photo album, and then he realizes that the person
he's been in love with this entire time is his

(55:21):
own daughter. So they've developed this physical relationship, they developed
this emotional relationship, and it's very disturbing, and Dysau understands
how disturbing it is, hence him begging his villain and
I wish I remember him to name. I don't remember
the name. I just know he's hot. But he begs
his villain to never let her know because he understands

(55:44):
that if she knew, she'd probably end her life as well.
It would ruin her life regardless one way or another.
So he tells him, I will be your dog. I
beg you, I will do anything you want me to,
et cetera, et cetera. At the end of the film,
the villain ends up killing himself, so there's really no
revenge to be taken place. After that, Daisu finds himself

(56:09):
in the middle of the snow. His worried girlfriend finds him,
and he decides, this will be the rest of my life.
For the rest of my life. He decides to continue
the relationship with his daughter, and it's absolutely horrifying and

(56:29):
disturbing to understand that this man, this innocent man, was
broken to the point where if he's going to find
anything worth living for, it's going to be that and
at least it's that absolutely disgusting. So these are the spoilers,
ladies and gentlemen. It is what it is. It's a

(56:49):
movie that leaves you feeling extremely helpless and hopeless. Honestly.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, because and that was my question to you twotes.
You mentioned that he had some that there was a
choice made by daw Sue, but was there I don't
think he had much of a choice in any of
his actions because it was so orchestrated by the villain
through like you said, suggestive hypnosis, you know, you know,

(57:18):
and they were both, like you said, they were both hypnotized,
so it was kind of like a puppetry. He was
a puppeteer, this villain, and you know, even to the
point where it was almost like the game with Michael Douglas,
Michael Douglas, where there's nothing he could have done, There's

(57:40):
no there is no other scenario. It played out exactly
like the villain wanted it to, exactly to the millisecond,
down to every single waking moment that they had was
orchestrated and conducted. And you found that out when after
they made love, they gassed the room that they were
in was like they would got them every back when

(58:01):
he was in captain captivity and he laid down in
bed with them just to say how close he was
to the situation. And they had no idea. He was
screwed from the start. There's nothing. It's very Rosemary's Baby right,
where Rosemary had no real action in the entire film
because she was screwed from the start.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
That's true. No control, and the same with Ice out,
no control, no control, just having to have no choice
but to be arrested to the situation.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
And two d One of my issues with the film
is he did have like two other times to take
the dude out. And I mean if he had locked
me in a room for fifteen years, I was I'm
taking you out revenge. Yeah, dude, there is no like
explain they I don't care. I don't know now, I
don't know in the future. But you did maybe just

(58:56):
answer one of my questions in regards to why that
didn't happen. And I think back now and I go, well,
maybe he was hypnotized not to which is why the
villain was never really that worried about it.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
I didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Maybe he was just yeah, he was like what were whatever?
And thus it didn't happen, So okay, that does still
that hole. Yeah. My other plot hole is there's a
shot towards the end when we get to see the
facility he's in. There are like twenty five other dudes

(59:33):
in their single rooms. He didn't have like issues with
all of them. So for me, that huge plot hole,
that one little scene was left me going, so what's
he doing just holding people kidnapped?

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Because I don't I don't think there were all his
hostages though. I think this was a business for hire.
Different Yeah, they belonged to different clients basically, is what
I was gathering from the entire.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Thing, So that there's a business where if you want revenge,
they will go grab this person off the street and
do what needs to be done. Or maybe that was
okay because there is I just wish that that was
cleaner for me to just because you're like motivations, revenge,

(01:00:22):
all of this. He did it for this reason, but
yet there's twenty five other dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
No, I think that was his business because there's a
scene where there's a box of tapes and it's different people.
He had to find his tape, you know what, I'm saying, like, so,
maybe he was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
So, then what's the villain doing. Let me get this
dude's name because I can't reach.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
It because I know he's so stuck on revenge. Maybe
his business because the dude was turbo rich, right, the
guy was super insane.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
There's no explanation as to how wealthy. There's no explanation
for his wealthy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
So I'm thinking he's kidnapping people. Lee wou Zhen Lee
Lee Lee wuz. Let's say his business is, Hey, rich guy,
I know, do you have someone that you hate? You know,
I will kidnap them for you and run them through
the gauntlet and base will taylor your revenge based upon
how you wanted to and and and I think day

(01:01:15):
Sue was his personal project because, like dude said, there's
no real explanation to why this kid was turbo rich
or this guy was super like, comically in control, comically wealthy,
you know what I mean to where he had no spare,
no expense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
You literally had a shower in the middle of the room.
He had a shower in the middle of the room.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Was the was the closet cube or the closet clube,
the closet cube.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
But separate now exactly, get out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I want that. I want to open floor closet cube,
you know what I'm saying. He had him being gang
stalked throughout the film. Member when he crawled out from
from the titular hallway scene and the guy's like, hey, buddy,
you look so much. Yeah, getting to the getting to
the taxi see later, day Sue, That's when you knew
he was fucked. Dude, Like like, okay, this is going

(01:02:13):
too crazy. Like he has hired henchmen all over the
city keeping tabs on Day Sue and his wife child.
Oh Jesus, that's so weird. Fuck this movie. So it's like, Mama,
he had really And it's like, is he innocent because

(01:02:33):
he was a kid and made a bad decision spreading
rumors about this guy's girl sister.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Yes, yes, absolutely, he's innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Because that's kids ship, right, the guy in the villain had.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
It's not his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
It's not his fault. Lee wu Jin was having sexual relationship,
actually a solid relationship. It wasn't even just about sex
with them. They were in love with each other, Yeah,
they were. They were in love with each other, and
he wanted day Sue to figure out what it's like
to be in love with somebody you're related to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
So he did so he dis Mike said at the start,
let it go, Let it go. That's my little drastic
You ever have that one, that one person who does
like a bad but she died, she killed herself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
That's his guilt. That's that's agreed. I agree, that's not
Dave Sue's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
And it's gas lighting to the infinite degree. Right, you
spread this rubor he wouldn't be saying, you're I you know,
she didn't get pregnant by a man. She got pregnant
by the rumor. The rumor is what got her pregnant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
You're you're the.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Reason why she got pregnant. Yeah, that's that's literally what
he said.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Yeah, gaslight death sue jutsu, you know. And it's like
that much unaccountability to the point where you're going to
orchestrate a fifteen year camp pin to ruin this man's life.
The punishment may not fit the crime. There there's a
little it's a little cartoony, a little drastic. You know,

(01:04:10):
maybe you could have just.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Killed his wife like planet the you know what I mean,
It is super comic bookie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
But yeah, go on, it's very much most of the
name of that kid, Scott Kennison in South Park where.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Uh yeah, where Cartman makes him eat his own parents.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Yeah, it's like, Bro, Mary Penny very petty. It's a
petty is the word for this village. Because Bro, how
many millions of dollars in two thousand and three did
you spend to make this guy's life a living hell
like and then to have a five day like.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Super fifteen years?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Yeah, dude, just a dumplings alone at eight ninety nine
or eight ninety nine. Yeah, you know, Tom's fifteen years, Like,
come on, there's a lot of cash.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
That Greek goblin sleep gas couldn't have been cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Kind of makes me wonder how many of these buildings
in downtown La actually are holding the same type of
things that are actually happening in real life. The Cisa Hotel,
I can't imagine the Ciso Hotel is one of those
places that is holding people hostage and Captain grows.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
The last thing I'm going to say to d and
this was my takeaway unfortunately, is oh ship. I wonder
how often this actually like hapen in like life type
things and I was I was left with that going.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
This, Yeah, outside of the money, this is super possible, dude,
this is so outside of just the infinite money it
would take to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Disturbed, Disturbed that that's my final.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Just recently in LA there was that sign that you
could see from a helicopter that would just help in
that one empty lot downtown LA. But remember that shit, Yeah,
they were doing the traffic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
It was literally January. Yeah, that was in January.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
The whole they they literally made help out of rocks
or out of something like it was. It was just
a big ass help. Yeah, there's tons of people being
trashed tons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
And like you know, there was the the girls in
Ohio that were captive in a house like for twenty
three years, like in a basement, and there's a family
of like there's a family that kept like six or
eight kids locked up for twenty freaking years. So it
does happen, you know what I mean, And you know
I I that's a terrible that's a terrible fate.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
And what's what's interesting is a lot of all of
those situations, as far as I remember, more ancestral yep. Yeah,
these these these young women were having the babies of
the Father.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
On that note, yeah, on.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
That note, a final thoughts before we move on. Final thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Okay, well yeah, this movie again memorable as as as
memorial as ever, and again it left me with a
feeling of hopelessness. It left me with a feeling of
this guy's doomed. Everybody in this situation, their lives are
over one way or another. Movie left me feeling extremely hopeless.

(01:07:35):
I'm down to get to common denominators on on between
between the both. But yeah, as far as Old Boy,
absolutely hopeless.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
M yeah, yeah, not feeling great on this one. So
we have to choose a winner. We do have to
choose a winner. That is why we're here. We have
to choose a winner. So so last week I went first.
I think between me and Brie and Toots is the

(01:08:05):
wild card. She's the tiebreaker if somehow we split hairs
on this. So wash make your choice.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Uh my choice, it was not. It was a difficult
one till it wasn't a difficult one. That is what
I'm going to say. And unfortunately, when I say that, yeah,
Old Boy's awesome, I can't use that word for this movie.

(01:08:37):
I can't look at someone and go you should watch
Old Boy. Yes, it is a fantastic film, right, but
as far as a recommendation goes, I can't do it.
And thus Scott Pilgrim wins.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Scott Pilgrim wins.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
Wrote it on an unblow, wrote it on mail.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Okay, there you go, Scott Pilgrim.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Anything else? No? Why why does Scott Pilgrim win?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Oh? All right? Oh uh? You know because I had
a much more enjoyable time with the movie, Like I
got done with Scott Pilgrim, and it's like I was
pleasantly overwhelmed surprise. In fact, I was like stir Scott
Pilgrim too, like like do these characters grow up? When

(01:09:32):
when Old Boy ended? I did not feel that way.
I felt, yeah, no, I don't need to see this
again with my eyes and with us. That's that's where
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Very good, very good Scott Pilgrim. Since Nightmare Alley versus
Astral Boy, I've been of two minds on how I
choose my movies. Right, It's like one part of my
brain is like, is this an excellent film? It's just
well made? It is this something that it should be
studied and watched? It is this a spectacular film, and

(01:10:09):
the other brain is like, did I enjoy myself? It's
just something I would watch again. It's just something like
watch it I would I would recommend to someone if
they're looking for a good time. So my brain kind
of came up and said, maybe it should be a
little out of column A, a little bit of an
out of column B in which film kind of reaches
that the most right, because that's kind of I was.

(01:10:34):
I was because I just don't. I didn't. I had
a movie I was going to pick by the end
up changing my mind simply because of our conversations here,
and not to be too long wind No, that's the
that's the whole point of writing it down, right, You
write it down.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
That is the whole point.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Yeah, yeah, so you do know, don't know what to
do that, but no, like just to call it out front,
I wrote down old boy, I gotta go Scott Pilgrim
on this one. I gotta go Scott. I gotta go
Scott Pilgrim. Only now, why the why it's not a

(01:11:16):
cop out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Because you wrote down one, you're going with the other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
But isn't that the point of writing down your choice
to maintain your mind that was the misstatement in the
first episode. Am I wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Wash a little? It was a little misconstrued. But it
doesn't matter, you know what I mean? No one's no
one's making money off this thing. So but but it's
just that, you know, uh, when you come in with
it's more not letting the conversation dictate your pick, you

(01:11:50):
know what I mean? That that that's that's more because
you know, all three of us are gonna be debatable
in whatever it is we talk about. We're gonna be
influential in whatever it is we talk about. And thus,
well maybe you know what, I liked it because of that,
and thus writing it down kept the the honesty in

(01:12:10):
it all. But you just said you you had, old boy.
But you know what I'm going with, Scott Pilgrim, Now
why we are interested to hear the tooty this thing
of a cop out? I have, no, I'm not there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I misconstrued the spirit of writing it down. I misconstrued
the spirit of writing it down. I thought that writing misconstrued.
I thought that writing it down gives you the opportunity
to say, ooh, discussing what my friends changed my mind. No,
it does, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
You're you're allowed to change your mind. It's just you
know what I'm saying, that's all you're allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, absolutely, No, it's just I originally wanted Old Boy
to win because I thought it was the better made film.
I found my stuff going in and out of Scott Pilgrim.
Maybe because I've seen it before, Maybe because Old Boy
had subtitles so it forced me to focus and to
read and to watch. But I was glued to my
seat when it came to Old Boy Scott Pilgrim. I

(01:13:14):
found myself looking at my phone, you know what I mean,
kind of trailing off mentally, and it just didn't keep
my attention. Maybe because I've seen it and I love
the content so much. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
So so you're saying Old Boy wins? Is that what
you're saying?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
No, I think he's going with Scott Pilgrim.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Oh okay, but all right, But that being said, I've
seen it before and I remember the experience of seeing it,
and I love the content, and I love the idea
of Scott, and I love the baselines, and I love Toronto,
and I love the video game, you know, continuation screens.
I love everything about Scott Pilgrim, and I enjoyed it.

(01:13:53):
Can I say I enjoyed Old Boy hard hard?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
I appreciate it? And I it's it's like do I
want escar go or do I want some party wings?
You know what I'm saying, Like I could appreciate the
scar goal in the flavored layers of tastyness, but I'll
kill some wings right now live, you know what I mean.
I may kind of WinCE a little bit at the

(01:14:21):
s carg My screen went completely black. That's crazy. Hopefully
that didn't catch on this on the thing. But okay,
I'll be mister cop out. I'll be mister lay. I
wrote down Old Boy, but after hearing you guys talk
about it, every trauma of that movie, it being like
when you gonna watch on a Saturday night, Mike, are

(01:14:43):
you gonna watch Old Boy or Scott Pilgrim. I'm watching
Scott Pilgrim with a with a Papa John SHACARONI and
a big old PEPSI. You know what I'm saying. I'm
not gonna sit there and bum myself up watching Old Boy. Dude,
It's not happening. So if I want in a movie,
to go for it in this competition, it's gonna be
Scott Pilgrim, and that's my answer. Are you guys muted?

(01:15:11):
Wait everything is muted? Hold on, hold on, hold on,
before you say anything. I don't know why everything's muted.
Everything just muted out of nowhere. All right, say something, somebody,
And this is the time of the episode where everything
messes up. Thank you Internet gods for giving us this

(01:15:31):
much time where it's completely What if I do this
and refresh one second, somebody say something. I don't know

(01:15:55):
what happened. I don't know. Just to keep the episode going,
would you guys mind jumping out umping back in, see
if that fixes it while we close out the show.
I don't know what happened. But this is part for
the course with MLT and random Select just seems to
be that sometimes we have fun, little technical difficulties as

(01:16:18):
we close out to final pick well for this episode.
So now I'm just waiting for them to sign back
in so we can re establish our connection and it
should be popping in any second. And this is where
I get to go nuts, and it's ISO on Mike
until they show back up into the episode. I think

(01:16:42):
they're back. I think they're back. I think they're back.
Show on screen Toots is back wash show on straight.
We're' yes, yes, your flip.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Two d's all right, let's get this one before we're
absolutely fucked once more. Right. Okay, So the common denominated
between the two films. They're both a story about love
at first sight, they're both a story about revenge, and
they both have Asian honor involved and Asian influences in
both movies where you have to absolutely move out of

(01:17:20):
respect and honor in order to take the next step.
In both movies, all of these aspects do exist. My pick,
so that we're not going without further ado, is Old Boy. See,
I pick Old Boy, And the reason why I picked
Old Boy is honestly because it is absolutely the better film.
And without apologies. I'm not gonna choose a film because

(01:17:41):
I don't like the subject matter. I'm gonna choose a
film who's absolutely fundamental, fundamentally better. That's better, better done,
better dialogue. But I mean we don't even speak Korean,
we speak English, right, We only read the subtitles of
the film. Better dialogue, just just better direction, better music,
better cut scenes. Everything about this movie was better. Scott

(01:18:02):
Pilgrim amazing movie, fun movie, A little bit too chaotic
for me. I will absolutely any any potential filmmaker, any
potential actor, any potential anybody who's actually trying to get
involved in anything where other people have to see you,
I will one thousand percent recommend Old Boy. So while
I lose in in this, I'm in this round, and

(01:18:24):
Scott Pilgrim continues to move forward, I will absolutely, one
thousand percent, hands down recommend that you watch Old Boy
at least once. And the truth is, for this movie,
it only takes once, so you have to you gotta
go with it. Thank you that I did not lose
my integrity and how to crash out and try to
choose something else because it's not the right subject matter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
No, I'm good on that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
I'm fine with it. I choose Old Boy, and I
lost this round.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
It was some icy hot for that sore head to Todd.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Absolutely Ice solitudes, absolutely not, because you know what, Old
Boy is a very good movie. So there's nothing nothing
about that is going to change the fact that this
movie was. It's not better. It's not I can't say
it's better than Scott Pilgrim. It's not. It's just a
film that takes film making to a whole different level exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Does it And you know, right, we can go into
you know what, you can put it on the schedule,
we go into like a full death review of Old
Boy the film, but you know that whole taking it
to the whole next level.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
And you know, I mean, how do you walk into
a green room and how do you walk into time?
And and and actually, uh well it's not the first.
You can you can argue the same thing about Scott Pilgrim.
It's not necessarily the first of its type. We already had.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
For the first time, and I enjoyed it. I watched
the Old Boy for the second time. I enjoyed it
the first time. I join it the second time. It's
just not what I want to watch again.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
It's it's exactly your sentiment for Old Boy was my
sentiment for It's like, I thought it was a superior film, right.
I was passionate and I felt crunching as hell about
that loss. I was like, wait, how is losing? What
the hell crunch I feel? I felt? And I'm still right.

(01:20:29):
But that's why we have random select select guys.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Is that's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Here's the thing. I don't mind that Scott Pilgrims moving forward.
It's a good movie. We did We've done good with
these picks fellas.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yes, there's no bad, no bad focus thus far. Well,
the end of Nightmare ally is debatable. At the end,
just the last thirty forty five minutes of us.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
It's already dead.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Just too long.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
It was just too other than that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Yeah, yeah it was.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
It was a good movie, Yeah, Scott Pilgrim. I gave
it three out of five. Old Boy get a four
out of five. Just you guys, know, just throw it out.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
There, solid and what sucks. It's like picking your children.
And it's like, you know what I'm saying, Like, because
Old Boy is great, it's like picking your weird, revenge
driven children.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I love both of the legacies. Like I said, you
know we're going in that thought a little boy. I
thought the boy was gonna just crush this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
I literally.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Batible. But at the end of Old Boy, I was like, oh,
there's a conversation to be had. This is going to
be interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
So yeah, on that note, it's such a wins random
select this round.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Of random select Old Boys. It's such a one hitter.
It's such a one it's a one punch man, you
know all it takes this one punch for you to
feel the weight of Old Boy, you know what I'm saying.
It's such a strong film God, and I'm happy we
gave it his flowers. I think a lot of times
I'm happy that the loser gets their flowers because this

(01:22:05):
is a godlike film. It's not bad on any level.
And like to said, I highly recommend this movie to
anybody who wants to have their brain blown out and
see some beautiful visuals and some artistic moments and like
the music. Watch it again, just for the music. It's
so subtle and so good. The hallway scene is goaded,
you know what I'm saying, And it is the scene. Oh,

(01:22:30):
there's so many good scenes in this film. The scene
where he's holding where the guy's trying to commit suicide
right after he gets out of the trunk and he's
holding them by his tie and he's like, you know,
he says that thing where he's like, I'm no good,
I'm no better than beasts. But don't I deserve to live?
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
That's a lot of Yeah, yes, I don't have our
next battle in front of us. So if everyone does
have that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
For the next random Select, it's going to be Matthew
Vaughan's own Kingsmen and the Same Service versus iconic nostalgia
bait Classic nineteen eighty four. When did that movie come out?
I may be wrong with eighty nine eighty nine, that's
Batman eighty something. I have to catch the date. Teenage

(01:23:19):
Mutant Ninja Turtles ninety ninety such a good year, TGRI.
So we have these two films that I think, what
is gonna get washed? And it breaks my heart. I
just almost don't want to do it. I'm so scared
for one film. I'm so scared.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
I don't want to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Random select Select, Random Select. The universe shows these so
Scott Pilberch, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
She's going to come out of it happily surprised, as
we always do out of red right, I'm gonna that
is the point of random Select is you learn something
about about yourself, you learn something about the movies, and
you get to have a decent conversation.

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Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Congratulations on your wins. Gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
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