MOTN Reviews: Nosferatu (2024)

Tootie Odin and Mike G journey into the unknown with this remake of a horror movie classic!

Does this new Nosferatu rise from the grave? Or does it "Suck" as a remake?

Watch and find out!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Welcome back you Chu, driven of the night. I'm, of
course the un dead Fred that is mostly in his bed,
Mike g and with me today is the infallible one,
the one you would swim oceans of time to find.

(01:09):
Study Oden, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Hi? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Indeed, we can't talk about it because it would date
this episode, and this should be ever green content. Ever
green content. It should not be tied to anything. You know,
it just puts a fire under our seats to do
a really good job, you know what I mean. For sure,
I've been burning to do this episode. I'm so excited,

(01:39):
you know, you know, you know, I'm ready to fire
off the ignition and just get to the races. How
do you feel about it?

Speaker 3 (01:49):
To Oh, I feel like you have full support between
everybody in l A and Elie County all very fired
up right now.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
You know, we're all very fired up. And I think
that it was really nice for LA County to send
an alert that we're recording today, but then take it back,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
They said, yeah, what's up with that?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, they said, to a whole alert that matches the
nerd Verse is recording tonight. And then they just said, no,
it's just for the trice, you know, it's just for
the masses of the nerd Verse area. It's not for
all of LA.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
So you know, I'm just happy we got the same
same alert.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, everyone got to say, of alert that we're recording tonight,
let's stop pussy footing around, shall we Tonight? It's a
very special episode. We haven't done it. MLT and reviews
in a while, because between me and Twots, nothing came
out that really tickled our fancy until we got the
notification for this film, and tonight we are reviewing Robert

(02:47):
Eggert's own remake of a horror classic, because some would
say a benchmark of horror. No Sperratu twenty twenty four.
Are you excited for this one, Toots?

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I am. I very much look forward to this. I've
been wanting to talk to you about it, obviously, so yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yes this. Let's get this show on the road. Ladies
and gentlemen, let's go here we are, No Speratu. Look
at his hand, Doug, that is sick. I don't know
how you do that. Is that comfortable? You think that's comfortable.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
No, it's not comfortable. That's very It's got es.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Is that rheumatis, Doug?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah, got, he's got alra for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
That coat is banging, though. I do want that jacket.
I rocked that jacket in a hot second. I want
that coat, Nosparatu. Let's get to it. Initial thoughts what
were your us, Toots? What were your initial thoughts going
into this movie? What expectations did you have?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I didn't have any like high expectations for the film itself,
and the only thing I knew is that I wasn't
I wasn't going to compare it to the original. There's
no way the original is a silent film like this
one's going to have a hadog kind of dialogue and setup.
And so yeah, there was, there was. There was definitely
not going to be so much as far as comparison

(04:12):
goes to the original. I didn't know Lily Depp was
going to be in the movie, and I thought that
was a pretty interesting choice. I know, I know we'll
end up talking about that in the future, but but
but yeah, initially I went into it, excuse me, completely
open minded, excuse me, and and I remember just throughout

(04:33):
the film every once in a while asking myself, what
the hell am I watching? And uh, and yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Very good. Yeah, Lily Depp, we're definitely going to talk
about her and her performance in this film. What are
my initial thoughts? I was excited for this one. Actually,
I remember the very first time I saw the trailer.
I was like, Toots, we got to I want to
review this, and you were kind of like, I don't know.
At first, you were like, I don't know, you know
what I mean, I'm not really in the mood for

(05:01):
your typical you know, there's always a horror movie that
comes out on Christmas. I don't know, some kind of
conspiracy that they have to put the most in earliest
horror movie on the day of Christ's birth. I don't
know why. It's like, it's kind of like it's like
clockwork when they do this every year, but literally every year.

(05:22):
And I was like, Okay, there's a couple of things
that got me excited. One, it was gonna be directed
by Robert Eckers, and to me, in my humble opinion,
Robert Eggars has yet to make a bad movie. This
is the guy who made The Vivich. I will always
call it the Vivich. He also made The Norseman, which

(05:44):
was really really good, as well as The Lighthouse. And
it's funny I heard that this is the only movie
that he's made at doesn't have the in the title,
which is interesting. You know, it's kind of like a
stupid little factoid. But I was excited for that. I
was excited just to see what the guy's gonna do
with not an original idea. This is his first diving

(06:05):
into kind of the remake someone else's intellectual property and
how he's going to pay homage to it, and the
other second thing I was really excited for. It's like, Okay,
how are you gonna make vampires again? You know, it's
been a while since a vampire made me jump on screen?

(06:26):
You know what I mean. They've become such caricatures of themselves,
you know, from from literally Twilight to Blade. It's just like,
when's the last time a vampire was Gary? So I
was and this this guy's all about this fear of
my cobs. So I was really like, let's see how
it goes. So my my initial thoughts, I was very

(06:47):
up on this movie. I was excited to see it.
Any final thoughts before we move.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Forward, No, I just find it funny that Robert Wagner,
I'm sorry he ended U do doing an adaptation of
nos Faratu and nost Is actually the Originalserato is actually
an adaptation of Dracula, but they couldn't use Dracula for
for fear of copyright infringement, So basically he made a

(07:14):
copy of a copy of a copy. Essentially thought I
think that's pretty The irony there's is humorous.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Absolutely that's a very good set way into our next slide,
A legacy of terror. Right, you hit the nail right
on the head. It's a homage to an homage, right,
it's homage to the original. This film is a homage
to an homage to homage you know, uh, Dracula brom Stokers,
Dracula the Infinite Book, you know what I mean. You know,

(07:42):
I can't say much about it. And he had to
change a couple of things, you know what I mean. One,
this movie is set in Germany, which is interesting. It's
not set in England, Jolly old England. They still go
to the Carpathian Mountains, they still go to Transylvania. But
it can't be Dracula, right, it has to be count Oarlock.

(08:02):
And it can't be Mena. It has to be the
other character, you know. So it's interesting looking back at
the original and this was made in what nineteen twenty one,
twenty two, yeah, twenty two, and just how insane this
was for the time. You know, they haven't even figured

(08:23):
out audio work yet, you know what I mean. And
this movie still to me at least, holds so much power.
Like I watched we were talking about this I saw
the new one and I said, you know what, I
have to see the original again. I have to rewatch it.
I think the last time I saw this was an
art school for a project, you know, back back when

(08:45):
I was super young. So seeing again now, and I
would love to get thoughts on this, Like people must
have been losing their minds in twenty one watching this.
There's like telekinesis and you know what I'm saying, and
like shot beautifully, like you like, what are your thoughts
about the original nineteen twenty two?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
The original had to have been absolutely terrifying. I mean,
I think the fact that it didn't have audio probably
made it even scarier because you had to imagine the screams,
and you had to imagine the terror and the ripping
of the clothes and any other scene that you see.
And the way he moves slowly and how intensely every
movement is. It's so calculated, the way he is. I

(09:30):
remember in one hundred Greatest Movie Moments, they this is
one of the very first movies that they talk about,
and they mentioned how how bizarre his movements were, how
people who are on set were afraid of him in
real life because he would not break character. Max Shrek
stayed in character almost the entire time that they were
making the movie, and I can't that's insane to me. Yeah,

(09:51):
I mean, I mean, we see method acting now, and
we see it. We've seen Jim Carrey do it. We've
seen Robin Williams do it. It seems like this had
to have been a lot different considering the subject matter
and considering the time, Like absolutely had to have been
unheard of to have somebody method acting in the nineteen

(10:11):
twenties like that, you know what I mean. So, yeah,
this movie's phenomenal. The original is absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's funny you mentioned that, and it's like, like you said,
everyone's coming from the theater, so everyone's projecting their voice
and over acting. You don't have a voice, so everything
has to be through body movement, right, And you could
see the main actors in this film and the original
in US fraud wide expressions big sad, big happy. But

(10:39):
Max was on another level. Max. Like you said, people
were getting freaked out by Max because, like you said,
he wouldn't break character, and it almost reminds me of
Heath Ledger in the Dark Knight. How people were really
starting to become unsettled by Heath because he refused to
break only saw him in the makeup, so Heath was
walking around as joker, bothering people in Some say method

(11:02):
acting is kind of obnoxious or pretense. It, yeah, cringe cringy,
But if that's what you need to do to do
an excellent job, then you know it's annoying. But hey,
try working under James Cameron or heard he's a nightmare.
But the man makes epic, epic movies, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I think it depends on the actor, because I
mean Stephen Segal, Stephen Sagull. Method acting is probably hell
of a lot more annoying than let's say Jim Carrey
and Man on the Moon, who was obnoxious because all
he did was play pranks the way he thought Andy Kaufman,
did you know what I mean? He was literally trying

(11:42):
his best to be Andy Kaufman. And I know that
got that rubbed a lot of people in Hollywood the
wrong way. But what a phenomenal performance like Jim Carrey
was absolutely Andy Kaufman, absolutely like insane. I can't really
immediately think of another actor who did something similar and
they got that, they got the best results out of it.

(12:04):
I'm sure there's others, but Jim Carrey and Man on
the Moon is the one that comes immediately to mind.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Want to think about a lot is Daniel day Lewis,
and he's supposedly the best actor of all time and
he is the king of method acting. But I never
hear a discouraging word about him. And maybe just like
you can method act without being an asshole, is what
I think.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know who else? Speaking of Dracula, Gary Oldman, Yeah, he.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Method acts, yeah, I think so. Yeah, And he is
the goat. You know, he is the goat, you know
what I mean. So he is a human, a human
farm animal. And it's funny because I was talking to
you about this is that in the movie I believe
it's called a Shadow of the Vampire or it's it's

(12:50):
a movie about the making of the original Noseratu, and
Willem Dafoe, who is in this film, plays no Sparatu.
So it's an interesting little it's an interesting little callback
to have him in this film, given that he was
playing Max Shrek on that movie and he was you know,

(13:12):
will him to flow? He will? He will still a
scene if you can, if you let him. William the
Foe was still the scene and he was just eating
up that movie. I didn't get a chance to watch
that again before this pot, before this podcast, but I
do want to go back and watch Shatle with the Vampires,
just to really fully ensconce myself. And that's Ferati before
we stopped talking about this for another hundred years, you

(13:33):
know what I mean. Let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
What did you think of his Okay, perfect, yeah, this
is this is good.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, what was your question?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I was gonna ask what did you think of his
performance in the New and ost like his performance as
the Swedish doctor?

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Absolutely, So let's talk about it. Let's talk about setting
a sense of dread right and setting a sense of
just weight. This is a heavy movie, and I'm not
and I'm mean heavy by like thought invoking like it's
not heavy, Like what's what's the what's what's the sci

(14:09):
fi movie? The sci fi movie? Crap with how I
can't remember anyway, not Romulus. It's an older movie. It
was directed by Stanley Krubrick. His sci fi movie, Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
The what's it called something? What's it called?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Tell me in the comments? It's not coming to mind.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I'm gonna have to look it up, but it has
the year two thousand in it, right, Yeah, it's one
of it's called something like that anyway, I know.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I know you do that now.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah, the the monkey throws the the bone into the
sky and two thousand and one space. Thank you, there
we go, Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
That that was gonna bother me.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That was gonna I could can go forward with the
episode until I got that out in my brain. So
William Dafoe as Renfield pretty much as not Renfield as
a van helsing pretty much this film's version of, you know,
as the quote unquote vampire hunter but not really just
more like a student of the macabre, really helps this

(15:22):
this ensemble cast to sell the sense of dread that
has just falling beyond these actors in the setting. And
that's something that Edgars does really well, is this man
loves to almost like showing off his knowledge of a
period and really just putting you in that period and

(15:45):
you can't and he does not let you go. Like
from Wonderfoe's character being the eccentric doctor to the main
character that the Jonathan character, I think his name is,
what's his name? In this film, like Alexander or I
forget his his the husband, the husband, the Germany.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Thomas Thomas, Yeah, his name was Thomas.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, that young man acted his ass off. Dude. Uh, everybody,
everybody really brought their a game, like right to the
point of overacting, you know what I mean. Everybody was right.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
But because, like you said, it was a period piece,
so it's I think it. I think it belongs in
this period. The way the way they were, the way, oh,
you're such a good friend to me, and the way
they they were so intense in the way they spoke
to each other and stuff, you know what I mean.
I think it was like that because again, if this
is a period piece, we're talking diseases of the ass.
We're talking you know, on you know, on top of

(16:50):
these demonic plagues that are happening, they actually have rat plagues.
That was one of my favorite scenes in the entire movie,
which really brought brought it to life, is that they
when the boat crashed, they saw that it was a
boat full of rats, so like, oh shit, they brought
the plate. It was like, dude, that's warfare, right, Like
back then that would be considered warfare. That they brought
all this disease with them and in these rats. It

(17:13):
really like it reminds you, oh, crap, this used to happen,
like for real, this was a thing that actually was
happening back then. Their hygiene was terrible. I mean there's
no plumbing, the infrastructure was primitive. So it's just I
thought it was perfect. I love the overapping it there. Again,
there their lifestand probably hardly ever exceeded fifty or sixty.

(17:35):
So time is short for a lot of these people.
Time is short. So the intensity of love and friendship
and falling in love at a young age and whatnot,
and the importance of cleanliness and virginities and and this
and that, the importance of it back then was exceeds
so much of what it would be today. It's trash today.

(17:55):
All of all of those values and morals that they
had back then aren't seen now because well, we live longer,
We have plenty of more time to repent and start
over and have forgiveness and this and that, And I
just don't think they had it that way back then.
So and I think these actors did a really good
job at portraying the idea that time is short.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, And I think you hit the nail right on
the head. And I think those virtues that were taken
so seriously back then and not so now. It's because
you could die. Back then, if a young woman got pregnant,
you could die during childbirth, you know what I mean.
If you weren't cleanly, you could die from dysenteria, you
could die from probably an std you can die from

(18:38):
an infection, you know what I mean. So, you know,
being Chase in waiting until you meet that one person
that was not strictly out of virtue, that was out
of survival because they're just like you said, it was
so primitive back then that your one fault, one bad
mistake can destroy the rest of your life. And I
think that's a good analogy for our main character for

(18:59):
our life, Rose Lily Rose Death character who made one
mistake that pretty much set her on a path for
the rest of her life, you know what I mean.
And one thing I was going to say about and
I lost it. One thing I was going to say
about just the overall kind of over acting or acting,

(19:20):
but it feels like a stage play, like and I
just got it back. It feels I like what they
do with this film to until the absolute end of
the movie. You can't tell if these are acts of nature,
are acts of supernatural things, because you can very well
say that when the boat crashed, it spread the plague, right,

(19:44):
because that used to really happen. You could say that
these were you know, you could say that her hallucinations
were brought on by the stress of her husband leaving
for weeks and weeks on end, right, you can say
that Nurse Farato is super crazy. It just monologuing to himself,
do you know what I mean, not having a back

(20:04):
and forth with with Nina or her equivalent here until
the very end of the film. And we'll talk about
that later. But I think Egars does a really good
job in setting. You don't see movies like this anymore,
adiatudes like this kind of vibe like.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
No, you know, no, not at all this this because
this was this this It wasn't gore horror, this wasn't
jump scare horde. It was telling a story. It was
telling a terrifying story of a girl who was essentially
being attacked her entire life. And and you know, and

(20:40):
because of the way the way, because of the way
it is it was back then, there were like you said,
there could have been a thousand reasons as to why
she was going through what she was going through from
from a child with terrible memories and terrible traumas that
never happened, but happened, you know what I mean. There's
thousands of reasons why she could have gotten and what
do they what do they do back then? So that

(21:09):
that alone, like it just makes this movie so well
rounded in that, well, oh she's sick, let's let's dump
some of her blood out. What do the vampires do
the same exact thing, you know what I mean? They
took blood from you. So it's just it's just, uh,
it's an interesting time period because all of it seems
extremely feasible. We didn't, we couldn't. We couldn't find a

(21:30):
vampire today and think, ah, yeah, probably, But back then,
I can't imagine it. I can't imagine it not being
a real thing, to be honest, not not necessarily the
supernatural side of it, but I'm pretty sure there was
legit crazy people out there that were sucking the blood
out of other humans thinking it was going to bring.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
Them out a thousand percent, Like, yeah, there were people
out there thinking they were wolfmen and running running around
the countryside. Many people like, Yeah, I think every fantasy
has a little bit of reality to it, you know
what I mean, that's what they that's what they say
at least. And I think that back then that the
fear was super real because the world was so new,

(22:11):
the new world, right, nothing, Everything wasn't explaining under under
a HD camera, you know. And I can very well
believe in vampires if it's the seventeen hundreds and all
of my cattle have been attacked by god knows what,
and it could just be some crazy guy popping me
in the neck with two sticks and it draining out
the blood. But it could also be a vampire, so

(22:33):
I might, I almighty know. Before we move on from
setting a sense of dread, I would like to talk
about the production of this film for a split second,
because I kept saying over and over this is a
beautiful ass movie. The sets are uncomparable. Like the main actor,

(22:58):
him going to the Gypsy hotel and them, you know,
almost kind of like, hey, it's a new guy, let's
get some money off them, them doing like them presenting
to him, you know, and doing that little dance scene,
and it's just it's one shot you know, and it's
just it's so beautifully done. Him walking up to the castle,

(23:20):
the crossroads scene where he's at the crossroads and the
horse and Buggy, the infamous.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Person the carriage comes in and it's.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
A it's a head it's a head on shot of
the horses horsing. They're scooping them, right, But then it
goes around to his head and it does this one
shot and when it comes back around, the horses horizontal
and the doors like this is stupid, dude, They're going,
this is just showing off at this point, what do
you mean?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
How is he not how was he not shooting his
pants like that would get in that.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, what are your thoughts on? Just the costuming, the
sense of dread just built in to the color, the
color temperature, Like this movie is something else, dude.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Well a lot of it reminded me of the Vivich
I mean, like, whoever does is set design and costume,
I mean, don't fire that guy, you know what I mean,
because done well, done so well. Alan's dresses were absolutely insane, inane,
you know what I mean, Like the those those big
puffy everything, and there's there's elegance there and it's like
it doesn't it doesn't feel drawn in by Hollywood. It

(24:29):
feels like, hey, I found this dress from the eighteen hundreds,
why don't you put it on. That's more. That's more
the feel of what a lot of their a lot
of what production did for this movie. To me. Yeah,
the scene, the scene with the horse and carriage was
was insane. The scene where he stumbles upon's or count

(24:50):
orlock whatever his grave and he's in there just taking
a nap and it's like it h that. I think
that was the only jump scare throughout the entire movie.
Mm hmm was was when he when he went in
and he was I guess he's gonna essentially try to
kill him, but he ended up looking up. Uh. Just
the different scenes like there's one where he actually he

(25:13):
gets his way up into when he first gets to
the castle and uh, the count pours him wine and
then the camera turns one direction and he's already on
the other. Absolutely. Yeah, well done.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Subtle camera work where it could be possible because it's
out of our sight line, but it feels supernatural without
being overly showy. That's what I love about this movie.
It's everything's right on the cusp of a fantasy like
like you said, their their dress, their guard, right on
the cusp of being too modern. But it's not. It's

(25:50):
perfect for the for the set, like like Orlocks. And
and actually we've been on a sense of dread for
a while. This this is too. It's too much in
this film. So spoilers ahead. So that's before we get
the spoilers. Did you want to talk anything more about
just the vibe of this movie before we move forward?

Speaker 3 (26:14):
No, I I thought I thought so far. You know,
like you said, production wise, it was well done. The
casting was perfect to me. Costume wise, it was it
was done. It was and and and again, practicality is key,
you know what I mean. There was a lot a
lot more in this film that was practically shot than
elegantly shot or you know, like you said, shot for
the tricks in the trade. It's it was very basic

(26:36):
and just done, done really really well.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Absolutely. Wod you move into that? Would you move into
that castle into Orlox Castle? Would you live there? No?

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It looks absolutely freezing? No, the answer is no.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, the drafty, really drafty drafty. Exactly did you did
you know that? Did you know the dogs? He has
for real ass wolves.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Those words CG yeah, uh yeah, yeah, those were real
freaking gigantic dogs.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Those those are real pup stuffers. Let's talk about the plot.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Wait, we didn't do spoilers.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Oh, I was saying spoilers for the plot. We can
get to spoilers now because we're gonna be talking about
the plot, which is full spoiler.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
The only spoiler I have is that kick asses in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
He killed it though, I really.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Like yeah, but yeah, he did a great job.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
That dude is I want him in more stuff. Aaron
I think his name is Aaron.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
I don't remember Aaron something.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, he's grown, hasn't he? Like you mentioned Kicks in
the movie, and like swag wise, I think he was
the cleanest ilo. Looking at his suits, I wish I
could wear that. Tell like I'd wear that now gone,
just baller out the plot funny enough. I I was

(28:06):
so mixed about after watching this movie. I mentioned earlier
that I went to go watch the original just to
make sure I'm not crazy, right And for the most part,
Edgers follows this tale for beat as the Silent film,
certain lines are said, why did you kill the flowers?
Helen says you know what I mean. Now, they're just
gonna die like everything else. You know, certain lines were

(28:28):
plucked right from the written word of the original Nosferatu,
and all it is really is a retelling of brom
Stokers Dracula, but a couple of a couple of them.
You will talk about that later, a couple of added
little spicy spicy things. You know, it follows the same
beats a perfect couple kind of. You can tell that

(28:51):
there is almost like the shining, like you can tell
there's something going on on the undertow of their relationship,
but it's not on the forefront. And that's because as
we find out that Ellen as a child pretty much
conjured Satan. You know, it's like, hey, she spoke that
out into the ether, but she didn't realize that she

(29:13):
was touched with supernatural abilities and actually got on the
wavelength of non Speratu, and he was like, you know,
he pretty much put out w t F on Facebook
and got a DM. You know what I mean, Satu said, yo,
I'll see you later, and pretty much did you know,

(29:34):
kind of gave her like a little sneak peek of
what's to come. Fast forward into the current and now
they're dealing with that.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Before.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
We can dissect the plot as we talk, But what
were your thoughts overall about this film's plot in a
vacuum in a white room.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Well, the the very first scene was her uh getting
made love to by this by this monster. So it
already implies that there's there's going to be a complicated relationship,
you know, involved in this in this young lady's life.
Turns out there was too. There was one that she

(30:13):
had with the count, and there was the one that
she had with her with her husband. You you have
you have to actually go into it understanding that you're
gonna walk away with knowing that this girl was essentially
tortured from as a child into her adulthood, into her

(30:34):
her adolescence, into her young womanhood in in the most
grossest of ways. Whether it was in the physical world
or not, this this creature was involved in her life
throughout her whole life. Yeah, he was there with her,
whether again like whether it's mental, whether it's actual physical,

(30:57):
She was dreaming it and and it was there, like
she had to literally live with that and in that
I think when when I when I first saw the movie,
I was like, oh my god, why is she so need?
What was wrong with her? Because you know, the husband
would leave and so she's just so like, oh no,
like he's going to leave me again, and you know

(31:18):
all that, And and then I understood because well, she's
always really been alone and this is the first time
she's been with somebody who's made her feel safe. So yeah,
there's there's a lot of that that, to me is
is the thick of the plot. The monster coming in
and and Thomas having to to interact with this monster

(31:40):
is secondary to the fact that she The entire movie
is about her being tortured by this being that happens
to be her husband's client.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
It's not even a happenstance. That's by design.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
It was my design.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Renfield's Renfield was the employer of Thomas who set the
whole thing up. And because yeah, apparent Renfield apparently was
super no Saratu worshiping the entire time we said I
want that one, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
It was super gay.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, he's super loved. No he was he yeah, yeah,
he needed it, and to the point where he was
almost like a secophant for for uh, for.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
What word did he keep using? Was it providence.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Providence.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I forgot this is he just kept using the Yeah,
he kept using that word, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
This is providence and that's his whole modus operandam like
this is meant to be because it really was meant
to be, you know what I mean? Uh, no spara tu.
And it's funny. Uh Ellen even says, Yeah, my father
found me when I was a little child and he
saw me writhing and you know in fantasy and players,

(33:00):
and my dad said, sin stop.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
That cut that out.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
And ever since then she was kind of like the
outsider in her own family. She was outcasts. And from
that day forward, apparently she kept dreaming about No Sparatu
every single night, you know, just subtle things. And it
wasn't until she met Thomas where it stopped. And that's
why she was so needy for him. In a second

(33:27):
he went off in a way, it started happening again,
you know what I mean, Like you said, she was
so needy because he gave her that piece, and now
Saratu was just almost like grooming her to when he
needed to do what he needed to do and set
the wheels in motion. And he waited until she was
married and kind of like, I hate to use the

(33:49):
word deflowered before he wanted to do a thing, but
there's an indication that they haven't done it. No, she
doesn't they do. She's she's completely wedlocked and good to go, right,
because there's that crazy hallucination scene where she's like making
love to Thomas and she's like, let's show him my love,

(34:09):
let's show him our love, and he kind of just
ravages her, but it's not real. It's the fever dream.
So yeah, like Nosfaratu set all this up in motion
from the jump, and they were all kind of victims
of it, you know. And that kind of takes me
to my question at the end of the day, since
we're talking about the plot of the Voyage of the Demeter, right,

(34:33):
him traveling from boat from Transylvania over to Germany. There's
a whole movie about that called The Voyage of the Demeter,
just about the boat ride of Dracula destroying the people
on that boat getting from Transylvania and to England. The uh,
the Holy Women blessing Thomas, right, and Thomas being really

(34:59):
the only person who's vibes at the end of the movie,
makes you think was his Did they give him protection
from Noatu given the circumstance, because he was the only
one who was truly blessed. He wasn't ravaged by the
plague like everybody else. So it makes you think, like,
was Thomas blessed because they found him and kind of
purged him of the shadow? Is what they said? He

(35:21):
was covered in no Seratu's shadow.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah, they knew, They knew exactly what it was. That's
the thing, you know, they told them straight up what
it was like. He didn't have to explain a word
to them. They already knew. So I mean, honestly, I
would say I would say, yeah, there was. There was
probably a good shield of protection around him, you know,
thanks to thanks to those nuns. You know, who's to say.

(35:45):
I mean, if this whole thing was demonic and supernatural
as as they're saying it is. And even the doctor said, hey,
you know, this isn't the plague as much as the plague.
It's so funny because as much as the plague was
actually was active and many people were around them, he
kept insisting this isn't the plague because and it's what
a ballsy move, because obviously it was the plague. It

(36:08):
was there the rats were there, people were getting bid up,
people were dying. There was no way you can argue that,
argue that. But I don't think that's what he was saying.
I think what he was saying is like, this is beyond.
This is happening because of how much control that this
person has brought into our village now because he's there,
you know what I mean, Like he's he's no longer

(36:29):
in that castle. He's essentially broken free, like quite literally
actually broken free.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
And it's funny, oh, it like it dances the line
of realism and supernatural, Like it could very well be
the plague that's called the Dinomos wrot to. He could
even just be fixated on Ellen. But it's such a
coincidence that he's there at the same time these rats

(36:55):
have gotten loose in the city, and all these rats
are byproduct of him, because even in his castle there
are tons of rats, right, And in the church where
his his coffin is is hidden tons of rats. Right.
And it goes back to Dracula being Dracula slash vampire
slash no Saratu being a bat. It's fairly new the

(37:18):
original kind of analogy to what No sparatu is or
what vampires are are rats, They're a plague, they're a plight,
they're pestilence. And the TV show The Strain takes a lot.
You ever watched The Strain back in the day on FX. Oh,
it's a great show. It's it's based it's based on

(37:39):
it's based on current times, and it's about a vampire
play that takes over New York City and they spread
like rats. They spread through contact and through like a
blood virus, and these rag tag people have to have
to uh stop it before it leaves Manhattan, because once
it leaves man And the earth is pretty much done,

(38:02):
you know what I mean. So when you have a chance,
check out The Strain if you have Hulu. It's it's
really good. It reminds me a lot of what this
film is doing. It's like setting up what.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Year did it come out?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Show? There was the vampires that had the little mouth
thing that will come and get you, you know, saying
they have these little mouth getters and if you it's
so bad, like if it bleeds on you and you
get cut, you just turned into a vampire, a non
thinking vampire. There was like a Nosferatu like Master who
controlled all of it, and they were all telekinetically telepathically connected.

(38:42):
If you like this movie, watch The Strain. It's a
completely compartmentalized series and it's amazing. And it goes back
to nas being a play a pestilence, being got, being
a a demon and when the Foe's character kept calling
him a demon, the demon, you.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Know what I mean, this thing is it was insistent.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
He was assistant, was a demon, this was and he's
dealt with this before, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Like, how yeah, exactly, yeah, which is why he was
essentially ostracized from Sweden because he was crazy scientist guy.
So you know he was he lost his licensing, he
lost everything, and he was still insistent on knowing that
to be the truth. It's so it's so relatable for
a lot of reasons in today's day and age because science, right.

(39:35):
But yeah, that's pretty yeah, it was very like that's good.
And the best vampire show to ever come out of
FX is what we do in the Shadows. That's easy.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Oh that's not fair, you know what I'm saying. That's
would you like some American Chinese food is not fair?
That's so much? Oh, man, like the plot, even with
the doctor, the doctor with a super deep voice who
had to deal with Renfield eating ripping off the ripping

(40:08):
off the head of a pigeon and eating it whole,
you know what I mean, Master gives us lives, you know.
And it's just so Dracula. And I like how that
everybody's trying to ratheralize this where the doctor is like,
we're so caught up in this modern age that we're
losing We're losing the fight spiritually, you know what I mean.

(40:29):
We're so caught up in our in our science that
you guys are going to die because you are you
aren't able to think outside of the box and see
this for what it really is. And I think, and
my favorite line of the movie is when he sees
Ellen for the last time and he says, you know what,
you know, like a thousand years in the past, you
would have been a you would have been an amazing

(40:50):
which you would have been an amazing witch priestess of
some tribe. And you would have been and you would
have been like put on a pedestal, you would have
been you would you would have been the touch. But
now because we live in this this modern science is
modern thought, you're just seen as a kook. You're seen
as someone who's unwell, and it makes you think, you know,

(41:10):
like people who are really spiritually touched seem crazy, they
seem insane because they see the world differently. And Ellen
because the way she was apparently she has always been
kind of had a touch of the other side, you
know what I mean. And I like the metaphor of that,
like you're losing your heart thinking too much with your mind,
and Nosarati took advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Before we move away from the plot, we haven't talked
about Nonceatu at all, like the actual character of him,
and this is where we can get into spoilers. What
was your take on him? How did you feel overall
about the performance for count orlock himself.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I appreciated the performance that that I appreciated who is
it scars Guard? He did. He did an amazing job.
He was He was actually supposed to play the part
of Thomas. I think he auditioned for the role of
Thomas or the friend. I can't remember, but I think

(42:17):
it was Thomas and he didn't get it. So he's like,
oh bummer, and then they called him and they're like, well,
actually you wanna, I want to play most us And yeah,
he absolutely absolutely nailed it. Uh. I I loved I
love the way I love the accent. I think he
nailed the Armanian accent pretty pretty dang good. His voice.

(42:42):
His voice was absolutely just just like just vibrant, just
like you just feel it. You don't hear it, you
feel it. I I can't imagine, like outside of of
the movie itself, like if this was a real lot
of situation, that person would have scared the ship out

(43:02):
of me. There's no way in hell I would have
stayed overnight, you know, let alone twenty minutes. And the
way he was persuasive was it was awesome. Uh the
way he had Thomas basically signed Alan's life away, you know,
for for gold and he didn't he really obviously he
didn't realize what he was doing until it was too late,

(43:24):
and only because he was so desperate to get the
hell out of there. So I didn't even really the
cunning the count was cutting. No, he didn't read it
at all to guard you know. Yeah, and he that's
that's another thing, is he never he didn't hide the horror.
He wasn't like he didn't sneak it up on Thomas.

(43:44):
He it was right then and there. I'm I'm a
really messed up monster. It is what it is. Take
it or leave it. And he actually didn't leave him
any choice. He had to take it, you know what
I mean. So yeah, he he was come as you are.
There was no sneaking up on you. There was no
hiding behind the red robe. And you know, like the

(44:05):
persuasive voice, that was all then and there, all at
the same time. The evil, the persuasiveness, the fake good
if you want to call it that. There was really
hardly any of that in this character. But yeah, overall,
I thought it was done done perfectly as far as
the character is concerned.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
That is such a great point. I'm just taken back
by that point. The difference between us Varatu or Lock
and Dracula, Right, Dracula had bore many masks. Dracula was
the old fart in the castle with the robe, like
you said, with the big you know, the big hair buns.
But also Dracula was the suave, young version of himself

(44:46):
that courted Mina. It made himself very attractive and very
you know, international man of mystery. But there's also the
butt naked vampire bat Dracula that hissed fire on the cross.
So it depends on his mood where Orlock was himself
the entire time, dude, Orlock the time he was he

(45:10):
was suave, he was imposing, he was he was confident.
Anything he was he commanded every single scene. And for
a while, are we getting too much Orlock voice? He's
talking a lot. He's talking a lot in this movie.
Diaculin usually is more action than words. But no, Or's

(45:31):
gonna talk to you, you know with that Like you
said that that voice of his is very Yeah, no,
it's it gets under your skin. It's almost like, you know,
rest in peace, Tony Todd candy Man levels of let's
just vibrate the audience into a sense of security, of insecurity.

(45:55):
And like you said, the scene where Jonathan is like,
I need to go home. Now. You know we've done
our business, you signed the paperwork. It's time for me
to go. You are unwell. You will stay the night
and rest in my abode. Not I really need to go, bro,
like I could figure you will be rested. And he

(46:16):
just kind of closes the door on him and he's
locked in and now you're in the cave and it's
like you can't argue with the guy. And then Jonathan
starts to see the weirdness of the castle, like outside
of the overall weirdness, like you're starting to, you know,
see the super weirdness where you know, the wolves, and

(46:38):
he goes down and investigates. He tries to leave and
finds Dracula's tomb, the tomb of Dract, the tomb of Orlock,
and it's like, okay. One of the most iconic scenes
of the original nineteen twenty one is where Orlock's on
the boat and he and the coffin just flips up
and he comes out and just raises up, Right, how

(47:00):
did they do that in twenty one? How do you
top that? Right? So, no, sparatu peenug. It's it's so
you're so taken aback by it, like what the fuck?
Before you can think about it, the wolves are on them,
you know. He sees scooching the wolves bro and you're like,

(47:22):
did I just see vampire dick?

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Did I just see? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I didn't want that, you know, And it's so sexual.
It's like, okay, it's almost like it's like very Rosemary's baby,
like where the camera is playing with you. You're not Jonathan,
you know, Thomas is upright, and then he's the camera
turns and he's on the side and he's hallucinating. But

(47:47):
you see the real shot of ass naked oorlock drinking
his chest. He's doing this weird undulation and there's no music,
there's no sound. It's just a sound from swirping on him.
Now that's don't isolate that, the sound of him drinking
him and his body undulating on top of him. You're
the fuck like you said, what am I watching? You

(48:09):
know what I mean? When exactly I.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Asked myself several times.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, And it's just the way his characters portrayed. It's
he It's almost like he's so smart, you know, like
you have three you have three nights to to say
yes to me, or I will take away a member
of your love your love circle. And he goes to
visit his discaretakers and he does what He destroys that

(48:37):
family for no reason, almostly just to get Ellen to
submit to him, because apparently she has to willingly submit
to him. He can't she can't be stolen, you know
what I mean, That's what he.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Says, that's the one thing that that's the one the
one thing in the movie that was a little bit
predictable is once you saw those two little girls already gone, their.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Goose was too adorable. They're like the most difficult, like atypical. Mama,
don't let Papa take to him. There's a monster in
my room. Mama like, oh these what what horror is
going to be? Fail these children? You know what I mean?
And then you get the black and silhouette him drinking
one with one hand, like a damn monster energy drink,

(49:27):
you know what I mean. And it's so rough and
you're like, gosh, okay that girl. We get it, man,
we get it, bro. And it's like, since we're in spoilers,
it's like even the fate of the kick Ass like
him just giving into his his his him giving in
to his dread, his his lemon. Yeah. You know, my

(49:50):
favorite word is lamentation. He's giving into his lamentation and
literally saying he literally and you know, he literally said
fuck it.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
He did such a good job though, he did such
a good job at portraying grief the way he did,
like he was he had nothing left to.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Lose, you know, he was done. He was so done.
The acting in this movie is just so insane. So
let's talk about the undertones and the overtones of this film.
And I'm gonna that you. I'm not gonna say anything.
I'm gonna let you take it too. What are your
thoughts just on this slide here? What what is this

(50:32):
conveyed for you?

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Well, undertones and overtones, I think they're both one and
the same. Nostu is a peede.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Pretty much.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
He is He is a He is a uh person
attracted to and not just attracted to, absolutely interested in
defiling little girls.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Them.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
That was a really hard pill to swallow in this movie,
because one you have to you were sitting there watching
a movie that is again I can't say condoning that
type of behavior. Obviously, It's just a rough watch when
you go into it. She's going through all of the
same traumas and insecurities that a little girl would actually
go through if she were defiled and her innocence was

(51:22):
taken away. She's the PTSD she has is real. The neediness,
like I mentioned earlier, of her constantly meeting Thomas or
otherwise she's just completely devastated is real. She the signs
of her panic attacks, which which you know, we see
them through the moved through movie eyes as her her

(51:45):
demonic hallucinations and whatnot, you know what I mean. But
these are all real things that children genuinely go through
in order for them to cope with things that are
done to them. So it's so funny this undertone, It
wasn't really that much of an undertone. It was right
then in their front and center, in your face. And

(52:06):
it doesn't really come full circle until the very last
scene where she already she knows, like she knows that
the only way that this is going to end is
with her, and she knows what she has to do
to end it. She has to do the one thing
that she's had nightmares of doing all of her life,
the one thing that kept her from from having an

(52:27):
amazing relationship with her husband, the one thing that blocked
her from probably even trying to bear children. You know
who who Who's Who's to say? So she had to
she essentially had to let herself go go about it
one more time with him in order for this story
to end the way it did. And I can't imagine
that that that would have been, that would have been easy.

(52:50):
It wouldn't have been my first thing to do, my
first thing to do it, but well, come on, let's
kill on, let's get a stake, and you know.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Do the thing.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But no, she actually she kind of gave it because
she figured that was going to be the only way.
And again back to back to almost a realistic view
of it. Did she do that because of uh, because
of narcissistic gaslighting? Did she just think that this was

(53:19):
going to be the only way because Nosfatu kept telling
her how much he needed her and how much they
loved each other and how much he was in love
with her, and you know, was he just not giving
her other options? Or was it that she was believing
only the options that he was giving her? You know
what I mean? For her to have ended it the
way that she did, I can't. I there's I don't

(53:41):
have an answer to that, to be honest. It could
be one one or the other. It could just be, oh,
it's a movie, that's how it's supposed to end. But
but yeah, I just wonder like maybe she thought she
was convinced some way, somehow this was going to be
the end, because this, this was going to help me
end him when he was basically just getting what he
wanted out of it to a point where he got
lost in it.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
I was I have a lot of thoughts on this,
but I have to ask a question before I move
on to kind of capstone your amazing point. Did Orlock win? Yes,
yes he did. That was my thought. Or like, got
what he wanted at the end. What he wanted he

(54:26):
saw because he knew, like what was happening. He knew
that his place was getting raided. That's why he put
Renfield in the coffin instead. He knew he was going
to die because this was the because at the end
of the day, he wanted to break the curse, right,
whatever curse he had placed on him, and the only
way who's gonna break the curs was through her. So
he got what he wanted. In the end, the curse

(54:48):
was broken. They were together in death and he won
at the end of the If you like calling a
spade a spade, do you concur like that's that's what
That's what I took away from.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Yeah, he got exactly what he wanted, and that's.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Why I felt weird about it. I felt so weird
at the end of this movie. I was like wait
a minute, Like, I need to watch the original again
because I can't see that being the through line of
the original. And it's not because she lives at No,
she died at the end of that one too, But
there's no like okay, okay, okay, okay, undertones and overtones

(55:26):
and undertones right like the whole side story of her
being betrothed to him since the child and all that,
that's not in the original, you know what I mean.
He just happens to say, hey, your wife has a
very beautiful neck, and he just starts geeking on her
right as a grown woman. One thing I don't like

(55:47):
about this film is they really push the overtone of
like you said, the child predator grooming actions of count Orlock,
where let's just called a spade a spade. Lily Rose
Depth is a very young looking actress actor, you know
what I mean. She looks life, She looks she looks

(56:08):
very young, you know what I'm saying. On top of
the indication that as a child or a Lock was
like locked into her the entire time and pretty much
giving her these almost Stockholm syndrome levels of constant titillation
and like just like swet dreams, I hate to say,

(56:30):
her entire life to the point like at the very
end of the film, she's surrounded by men telling her
that this is the only way. She never had really
a decision in this because if it wasn't orlock, it
was Van helsing saying, by the cocks crow, you have
to he has to hit the sunlight and the only
way that's going to happen is and if you lock
him in, well, I kind of don't want to die,

(56:51):
but this is the only way. You're destined for death
no matter what you do, and if you don't do it,
you're scring us all to endless. Plaguel gonna die. So
what are you gonna do? And it's like was it
part of her hubrist to be like this man has
told me since I was zero years old, since whenever too,
that he's gonna be my betrothed and he loves me

(57:11):
so much in Woop the Woop de Woop and even
at the end of the film, she's like, you don't
really know how to love man, You're full of shit, right,
you know? And he's like, no, no, nah do, Like
at this point that doesn't even matter because you're already
you already agreed to give yourself to me, so it's over.
I don't care what you think this is going down,
you know what I mean. And her giving, like you said,
her giving in felt so icky to me because it's

(57:34):
like and that was the solution, right like her, her
giving into those weird like urges that she's had this
entire time, whether she likes to admit it or not.
She was drawn into him because he's been grooming her
the entire damn time, So it's almost.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
There was definitely a mutual attraction.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Yes, I didn't like that because it's like, yes, you're
gonna be attracted to someone who's telling you you're ready forever,
and in infiltrating your dreams and infiltrating who you are
give you this emotional feeling that she tells Thomas, you
can never do to me what he makes me. You
can never make me feel how he makes me feel.
It's a dream. But it's in her head, is you know,

(58:16):
she's starting to think that when she lets herself go
and gives into her inhibitions. And I think this movie
is really about he said, I am appetite and nothing more.
I am lest I am appetite I am urge and
she giving into that feels like a loss. It feels
like a bad end, you know what I mean. And
all you have is Jonathan and the doctor left to

(58:39):
live with this. We save the world, but at what cost?
Type feeling.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
Not just that, but the way it ended. I mean,
the actual literal ending was okay. So they get down,
he dies on top of her. After climax and the
sun comes up. The end. That's the end, literally the
end of the movies. There wasn't even that. There wasn't

(59:04):
even anything like that. It just ended right then and there.
You just have to It's not even it's it's almost
implied that that they're both dead and that, you know
what I mean. Like, it's just the way it ended.
It was just like it was the scene and then
all of a sudden, it's like, oh, okay, credits. I
don't know. I wasn't a fan of the shoot to shoot.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
To shoot the movie Bell, that's how the original ended.
To shoot the movie Bell, That's how the original ended.
Watching one from macteen twenty two twenty one, Literally he's
drinking her, he sees the sunlight, he evaporates. She has
enough life in her to say one thing to Thomas
and she dies and he's crying over her, and you see,
you see the doctor just entire defeat, like man, it's

(59:47):
just crazy this film. You see the shriveled version of Nasaratu,
like you said, literally on top of her dad from
drinking from from the sun. And you see the doctor.
It's a beautiful shot of the sudden cresting his head
from the backshop. But there's a mirror on the side
of him where you see his face only in the mirror,

(01:00:09):
his reflection, and he's just like man, that was rough.
This this is a rough time. And the movie ends
with another quoting of you know, by the by the
cocks crow, the evil will be lifted in the plate.
You know what I'm saying. It's just it's not a
feel good ending. And I guess we're kind of programmed.

(01:00:31):
We're kind of programmed as audience members and as cinemaphiles
to expect, you know, the positive ending. Even Dracula has
more of a positive ending than this, because at least
Mina lives, right. Mina became a vampire. Mina experienced all
that stuff and gave it to her lust or whatever,
but she made it out the other side. No, in

(01:00:52):
Dracula failed, he lost, Orlock didn't lose, or Lock got
exactly what he wanted and manipulated everybody around him and
worked everybody. And that sucks. That is not but the
bad guy won and I just don't know how to
feel about that, you know what I mean? Yeah, with

(01:01:17):
that being said, the final verdict, the final verdict on
this beautifully depressing film, Toots, take it away. Give me
your final verdict and your score?

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
What are we? Are we doing? Letter grade or how
do you want to do it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
This is zero? Oh? What am I going to call
this one?

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Uh? Zero out of five chest punctions? Yeah, not sparatu pens?
How many? Zero out of five? No speratu pens? Would
you give this one? And why.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
I'm going to give it? Uh out of five wieners?
Because it was done. It was It was a very,
very very good movie as far as entertainment is concerned.
It wasn't that it wasn't necessarily an entertaining film. It
was a film you had to actually pay attention to
because there was a story there. So, like I said that,

(01:02:17):
it's very quiet, not a lot of jump scares. It
was a period piece, so you're learning about what these
people actually went through at the same time getting this
getting your your horror rock soft no put intended with
the Nosti side of the story. I thought, I thought
it was done. I thought the casting was phenomenal again.
The costuming was great. Kick ass, kicked ass stars. Guard

(01:02:42):
did an amazing job as Nostrati. I'm telling you, I
I love the wording, the dialogue, the the uh uh.
The way the English language is used in this film
is pretty cool, like old old English.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
It was pretty neat to read that. Read those words
in the subtitle subtitles and again it's it's it's a
three because because I, like you said, I think a
lot of us are programmed to find a better way
to end things, you know what I mean. Like when
it comes to a movie with with a not happy
any but another movie that doesn't have a happy ending

(01:03:19):
is Hereditary, I go I go to that one a
lot because it's one of my favorite movies. It was
an ending that was that was sad, but also like, ah,
that was so good. I don't feel that in this one.
I don't feel that, Oh that was really good. I
don't feel that. And I think a lot of it
does have to do with the subject being that all

(01:03:41):
he really wanted to do was take over, and he
coveted this one person, this one person from child to adulthood.
So I mean it leaves a bad taste in your
mouth because he got it, she got what he wanted.
At the end of the day, she died. She's she's gone.
You know, she never got a chance to even overcome

(01:04:02):
any of the shit that she was going through mentally, physically, emotionally.
So I think that's what makes it different. Is Hereditary
is a movie. This seems more of a torture piece
when it comes to child victims, you know what I mean.
And I think it hits close to home to anybody

(01:04:25):
who has actually physically been victimized by somebody who's groomed them.
And it's such a gutsy story to tell. That's a
hard story to tell, and he told it and he
did a good job at it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
Yeah, it's funny and thank you. And I think I
want to touch on a lot of your points because
I went from a four vampire peenes out of five
listening to you talk and listening to your final vertict,
I went to a three because I started like, you
know what, yeah, yeah, and then I jumped back to

(01:05:02):
a four because four out of five because that's the point,
isn't it. Uh, it's the point to kind of gut
wrench us, you know, for those who are paying attention,
you know what I mean. And like you said, it
reminds me like you mentioned Hereditary, I'd like to mention seven,

(01:05:24):
where that movie has a horrible ending. The villain wins,
he gets he executes his plan, but you're like, but
there's a difference. It's like, God, that was such a
good movie, you know what I mean. It got us
where this is really just like a sucker punch, you
know what I mean, like that it doesn't feel good

(01:05:47):
like and because it wasn't like a riveting action packed
what we're used to. It's a slow burn the entire time.
Sometimes the pacing is slow just because of just the
general I have to build atmosphere. If I were to
give that the movie a negative, it's I think the
pacing is a little slow. I feel like you're kind

(01:06:14):
of damned if you do and damned if you don't,
because you can't just change the ending, you know what
I mean. It's kind of like Planet of the Apes.
Remember that Planet of the Apes remake when Mark Wahlberg
and they just changed the ending and pissed everybody off.
You know, it's a remake. We could do whatever we want.
You can't do that, right, But I think adding the

(01:06:36):
undertone of yes, he's been stalking this child since she
was little and pretty much been watching her grow this
entire time and waiting for his opportunity moment to seize
her and do what he has to do, is so
disturbing and like you said, so ballsy to do that. Yeah,

(01:07:02):
like who does this nowadays? You don't. They don't make
movies like this anymore, where I wouldn't show this to
a child, Like I wouldn't show this to a kid.
You know, this is not a child. What was this rated?
Was this rated PG thirteen or is it rated R?
I think it was rated AR?

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
No, I think yeah, I think it was RADAR.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
So it's like, this is an I don't plan to
ever watch this again. It's one of those horror movies,
you know what I mean. But it's almost where it's
like I don't need I don't need to see this again,
you know, But that does not say I would not
recommend it because the acting above par, the atmosphere above par.

(01:07:41):
The main villain you love to hate him. He's really
likable and then he's not, and then he is right,
and then he's not. So I wasn't gonna give it
a three because I was like, I'm kind of bummed out.
I don't like that. I don't think I want to
condone with the story is telling me. But if you're
if you look at it from a lens of that's
the point. This is not this is a villain in

(01:08:01):
and out. This is not Hannibal Lecter, you know what
I mean. This is just a he is a creature.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
It's he's not Dracula either, not Dracula either. So I
mean there there isn't a story that I can think
of immediately where Dracula took virgins. But it doesn't necessarily
say that Dracula took children. Mm hmm, you know what
I mean. And I think a lot of that does
have to do with the fact too that he only

(01:08:32):
mentions it once. But the doctor mentions this is the occult.
He only says at one time in the film, just
so you guys know this is the occult. Well, what
do they do in the occult, they sacrificed children one
way or another. He happened to he happened to be
doing it. Probably one of the sickest ways you can
when it comes to taking the innocence of children. So
uh so, yeah, as far as I know, Dracula was

(01:08:53):
not an underage trophy winner. You know. So this man, this,
this critic vampire is not is not a lot. It's
not Dracula. It's so weird. This he's he's sick. He's
just he's worse. Actually, to me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Even Orlock of the original was not that this is
an added foil for this film. Remember Orlock just said, Oh,
your wife's hot. I want your wife now, you know
what I mean? That was it. It wasn't. Yeah, the
child called to me, So I took the child and
I'm going to wait the child out and by the
time it's all set and then I'm going to have
the child and she'll be a woman by now. But

(01:09:33):
it doesn't matter. She's mine. And you know, and I
hate to say it, but that ship was going around
a lot back in those days. That shit's still going
around a lot right now. And it's disgusting and it's
unsettling and it hits a little too close to home
and to make that into a film is ballsy and
it's unsettling, and I think that's the point. And I

(01:09:57):
don't like it. But I'm not supposed to like it,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Right, you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
And that If that's the case, then kudos. You did
your job. But do I have to like it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Do I have to ever watch this again? No? But
damned if it's not a great film. I was like
passionate with the christ. I don't need to see I
don't need to see this again. You know what I mean.
It's a one and donner you know same?

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah, I don't know how to feel about it too,
So I'm really like that's why. And now that we've
talked this out thoroughly, when you first spoke about the movie,
he said, I saw it, Go see it, and you're like,
do you give me anything? It's because I was at
a loss for words. I didn't know how to feel
about it. I have to watch the original because I'm
missing something, right, watch the original? Saw what I missed?

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Okay, that's what makes this fucked up? Okay, you know
what I mean? And it's like, now I can put
it in his own box and say that was neat.
Don't need to watch that again. But god, the guy
did a good job and got the point across. And
before we before we close out and I take the
slide away, can we just give Rose Rose depth her flowers,

(01:11:11):
literally her cut flowers, because they asked a lot of
that act actor and she delivered across the board. Thoughts
on her performance.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
She did so good, that was that was wild. The hallucina,
who's the scenes where she's hallucinating and she's contorting and
oh my god, they they she was. There was scenes
where it was almost almost to the point where it
was a little bit cheesy. But I think it was
supposed to be kind of on purpose because there's moments
where she's bursting out and laughter while she's doing it,

(01:11:46):
you know what I mean. So it's just it's it's crazy.
It's obviously not I'm having fun laughter, it's I'm going insane,
you know. Oh my god, I think she she did
a funenomenal job. Yeah, it doesn't help that she looks
like she's twelve years old, Like she's tiny and just

(01:12:07):
very young looking, and yeah, it's I think she did.
She did really really well. Good job, Johnny.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Depp, Good job, Donny, Johnny Depp. In is that the
is that the Amber heard Johnny Depp child, No.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
That is. Her mom is a model. Her mom's name
is Lily Rose also, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
I think so she's like a junior. She's one of
those rare female juniors, and she's kind.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Of a junior type thing. Yeah, her mom's a model.
The Actually she looks exactly like her mom, only her
mom has blondish hair. I think.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Okay, her name where she contorts her face and she
opens up her mouth and her tongue swings to a
side and her eyes are shot right up the tide
of her head. That's practical. She did that herself to
get that shot. There's scenes where she's contorting in bed
and she's doing full gyrations and vibrating and shaking, and

(01:13:04):
she's having this huge panic attack where her whole body
she rips soap and her her like her Boustier dog.
And I'm just like, she's really going at it, man,
she's giving it one hundred and ten percent, and like
you said, it doesn't help. Like I said, in Undertoes
and overtones. Like you just said, it really doesn't help
the fact that just naturally she looks the way she looks,

(01:13:27):
and it just adds to the gross factor of this film.
Maybe that's my choice. It's funny. One of the kids
from One Direction, I think it was, was supposed to
play Thomas, but we got the other guy instead, And
I'm like, thank thank goodness for that, because how Dodle
know that guy would have sewed it like this other guy?
Did you know what I mean? Yeah, the guy who's
the guy who's playing Lex Luthor in the New Superman

(01:13:48):
movie is Thomas. So look forward to that brand.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Oh okay, okay, yeah. I think all the actors were
spot on. All the actors that they picked for it
were on there. They had the English period accents down,
and they looked the part, you know what I mean,
with the sort of curly hair that's wavy and coming
down like, they just totally looked it. They totally looked
like old English, like old eighteenth century Jack the Ripper English,

(01:14:19):
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
So I love that period. It's like very you know,
like dark souls, almost like blood born kind of macabre England,
you know what I'm saying. So whenever a movie comes
out Christmas Carol, Muppet, Christmas Carol's goat it wats that shit?

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Yeah, so the Christmas Carol vibes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Would do ever want Egars to do a modern film?
Or should he just play in his sandbox of of
like miladies in period pieces? Should he ever? I want
to see futuristic Give this man like aliens. Give this
man an alien film and see what he does with
like alien or aliens or something like that. That would
be fucking tight.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I'm a huge fan of If it's not broke, don't
fix it. I love them, bitch. I thought that was
well done. And he's he's really good at modern slow burns,
like you know what I mean, like it's it. I don't.
I don't think the burn is so slow where it's like, no,
this movie sucks. I think. I know you had a
problem with the pacing. I kind of didn't have a
problem with the pacing at all, but the exception of

(01:15:21):
the way it ended so abruptly. M it went from
story to story to story. Oh it's over, you know
what I mean. So aside from that, and and again
I don't I didn't remember it. But but you said
the other the original ended that same way. So very Yeah,
I I like I like him and and and this
time period. He's very obviously he knows a lot about

(01:15:42):
this stuff. I don't know what books he's reading, but yeah,
he cares about it. Yeah, I like it. I like
it right because you know what period pieces like this
are are are good for slow burn movies. Though you
couldn't slow burn alien. You can't slow burn a movie
like like, the future is not about lighting a candle

(01:16:04):
and walking down the hallway. The future is like, bhoom,
the light's already on, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
it's it'd be hard to do a slow burn with
a futuristic movie in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
Yeah, I think these movies every once in a while
it's like just hits the nail right on the head, right.
I would I wouldn't want like a Emcu you know
that Sparazzi Cinematic Universe where every month, every year there
was like two movies that were like this, Like that
would drive me crazy, but like every maybe ten years,

(01:16:37):
give us something like this that's good and provocative and
like just kind of give us that different kind of vibe.
It's like a Western you know, what I mean, like,
like I don't need Westerns all the time, but every
once in a while, are you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:52):
Saying you don't want to see nosfop Pool Wolverine?

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I am dead Pool. My guns are made of step
forward wives.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Oh I want to hear him say, bub.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Wolverine, I like your pants shut up. My guns are
made of violence. Yeah, we understand. That's rock to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Theos.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
I was just gonna say the proposal. She was right.
We never see like there's two times you and I
know we wrought to close this, wrap this up. There's
two times we see him just straight up. That's the
very beginning of the movie where it's the jump scare.

(01:18:03):
He's literally on top of our our protag and then
there's the full nude scene that none of us asks
for it. But now you get to have the good
graces having that burn into your psyche. But this movie
is so well lit that there's sometimes he's like standing
in a in like a doorway, and he's just so

(01:18:23):
all shoulders in that stupid puffy jacket like domes the mountain.
He's so imposing. Yeah, he's so freaking imposing. God, it's
such a good selo way. I want that jacket dutes.
This is a good episode. I feel I feel good
about this one. This movie is not a feel good movie,
but I feel good about this review, you know what

(01:18:45):
I mean? Any last thoughts before we close this bad
Boy up?

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
No, like you said, I'm never gonna watch this movie again.
It was a one and done deal. Uh. Thank you
everybody who's involved in it. Well done.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
It's such a bittersweet, isn't it. It's like I hate
when movies do that to me. It's like I would
love to say I can watch this every year like
Trimmers and enjoy for different reasons, but no, I enjoy
it for what it is and I will never see
it again. It's gonna come on on demand, It's gonna
find this way on Max or something. And I have
no desire to see any of this nonsense again because

(01:19:27):
it gets under my skin, the subject matter, in the undertones,
and I don't like it and I don't want it
to be part of like my daily So it's like
I appreciate everything about it from now from a distance,
you know what I mean. I appreciate. I appreciate the
redesign of Nosferatu once again, Ballsy, because how do you

(01:19:51):
It's like that look is so iconic that you had
to go far left. You have to go so left
of center because it's like that, no Saratu look, the
bald head, the big eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
The little twenty ears and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Twenty ears right, it's been done to death, right, SpongeBob
makes fun of it, you know what I mean. So
what do you do to make this guy creepy? You
make him look like vampire hitler, I guess is the idea,
big old Jim Brown mustache. He has like a little
half bob, you know what I mean. He's so progressive,

(01:20:28):
you know what I mean. And he's he's kind of
he's fancy dude. He has a little coat in here, you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
Know, I mean, it sounds like he was humanized. I
think makes it a little bit more terrifying even, you
know what I mean, Like it's hard. It's you can't
no Saratu original. That's for sure a demon. The guy
who's doing this and blah blah blah, this one you're
not sure. His name is count. He's a lord. So
he's just a weirdo. He's just a hoarder, you know

(01:20:54):
what I mean. Like he's not he's not quite well
done scary enough.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Yeah, he's he's off putting from a distance, and the
closer you get, the more you realize this isn't a
human being, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
It's so well done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
He's he's a head and a coat, right, and it's like,
it's the perfect example of that, and we're running late,
but I'm sorry. The perfect example of that is Thomas
meeting him for the first time at the castle. You
see him from a far distance and he just looks
very imposing and off putting. And the more you talk

(01:21:31):
to this guy, the more he's speaking, the way he
shows up on one side of the camera or the other.
His hands are really long and skeletal, you know what
I'm saying. He just keeps getting weirder, like what is
under that jacket? You know what I'm saying, Right, And
he keeps getting more and he's and he's so eloquent
and well spoken and well educated and well read, and

(01:21:53):
he's just so enticing. He's like a predator. He draws
you in and next thing you know, he's on top
of you. But yeah, he's in multiple different facets and
next thing you know, he's but making on top of you,
drinking your chest and then then where are you? And
then where are you? You know what I mean, let's
close this out. My final thoughts is I love this

(01:22:14):
I love this movie. I never see it again. Love
this movie. I never see it again. I stick with
my four point five. It's just this is just not
my cup of tea. I'm not gonna watch this on
a Saturday night with a pizza and a beer, which
is not gonna happen. Well, I recommend this to anyone
who's a horror film who wants to see like real
dread and macabre. Yeah, I recommend this for a one
time shot. So that's my thought. That's my take. Toots,

(01:22:40):
Where can we find you?

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Yes, you can find me on Instagram at two dy
dot odin zero zero three Instagram and only Instagram. I'm
not really plugging anything at the moment except more m OTN.
We will be on the live this Friday, though I
guess that doesn't matter. This is coming up later. But
it feels good to be back back in the range
with you and eventually Brian. So yeah, Tuty dot Odin

(01:23:04):
series three Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Yes, I'm happy you're back from your holiday sabbatical. It's
not it feels so empty without you, so it's good
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(01:23:28):
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(01:23:50):
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we want to get back. There's a lot of good
movies coming out this year. I may I may have
the force Toots to watch Fantastic Four. I don't know
if you want to see that, but I have to
review that movie, so I'll big drag you or Brian

(01:24:11):
to watch that you're you are, depends on how you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
The Superman. Superman supposed to come out this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
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