MOTN TOP TEN: Non Christmas Movies

Wash and Mike G celebrate the holiday season and weigh in on their favorite non traditional Christmas Movies! Does your favorite series make the cut? Watch and find out!

Episode Transcript

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Speaker 1 (00:49):
Happy holidays, nerd Averse. We are back with a long
awaited MLTN Top ten. Marie and Wash put our brains
together and give you the top ten of anything of
all time. This episode is going to be based on
non Christmas Christmas movies. If that makes sense. You know

(01:11):
what I'm saying. We're explain what that means a little
bit further, but introductions all around. I'm of course mastered
the universe. Mike g and with me is the also
Master of the universe, our Jedi counselor, and our very
own jackalope. I've seen them prancing in the hills of Wisconsin, wash.
What's going on? What up?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'm not sure I know what a jackalope is, but
I certainly was not prancing anywhere in Wisconsin this afternoon
as there is you know, five six inches of fresh
powder outside. It is about that time. Note and unfortunately
I figured out at least have up like the Star
Wars stocking and back by now. But yeah, we're lacking

(01:57):
on the decoration side of things. We do have Christmas
non Christmas Christmas movies, so we are feeling the season
around here.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Absolutely. It's funny. Sideshow released a little one six scale
sweater and one little one six scale like like a
sash an accent i hat as a pack. They were
selling for like thirty bucks that you can put on
your figures. Because I wanted to do it for Deadpool.
I wanted to pull in a little sweater. Yeah, we

(02:33):
give them like a little sash with a little hot
cocoa that messow it out like that. Bro. It was
just like I couldn't catch it. They just couldn't catch it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I was like, are they gonna do like Christmas figures?
Like I don't know, can you get like the leg
from a Christmas story lamp as like a one sill?
That'd be kind of interesting, you know what I mean?
If they went like the real life version of some
of these things and put them out there for the
holiday season, probably like a bundle. But man, you don't

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have any problems with that.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Anything is possible on TMU, Bro, it's all there. You
go on TU. You literally find the Holy Girl in
one six scale.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Bro, six emails a day, whether I want them or not.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
You know, I had to get rid of that stuff.
It was like, you have a you have a discount,
you have a refund TMU Temu te moods like, you
know what, It's not worth it, Bro, it's not. I've
never shot there.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
I don't even know how you got me, man, not unsubscribed,
but you keep coming back.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
My friend wanted to get me on TMU, so they
gave she gave TIMU my email address as like a
sponsor or something. And I've been fighting a battling, a
war of hell with Team Whu ever since. And it's
just like even when I try to block it or
call it spam, it just comes back, you know what
I'm saying, speaking of it's Temu, speaking of Timu, other

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other monoliths of consumerism. We're here and it's Christmas time
here around the Nerd of Verse, and this is our
kind of Christmas episode in a bit of a sense.
And I wanted to do something just a bit left
of center because it's real easy to do top ten
Christmas movies of all time, you know what I mean,
It's been done a thousand times. Let's do something different, wash, you.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Know, I mean, I'm cool with being different. I'm cool
with being different. And you know, for me, this non
Christmas movie's kind of hit closer to home because for me,
Christmas has I know a lot of folks like to
spend time with their family and friends, but for me, Christmas,
Christmas Eve and a day after Chris after Christmas has
always been spent playing a new video game, minding my business,

(04:41):
grabbing food as I go. So I was never I
was never big when just sitting there consuming a lot
of Christmas movies. So of course I have my favorites,
but if you say, hey, Brian, let's watch a Christmas movie.
These are some of the ones that I'm gonna go
to that fe like Christmas to me and for whatever

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weird reason that may be, but you know, it gets me.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
There absolutely, And you hit the hit the nail right
on the head about what is the criteria for a
non Christmas Christmas movie? And where my brain was going
was that any movie that takes place around Christmas but
has really nothing to do with Christmas. And a lot
of these movies danced that line of being, no, that's

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not a Christmas movie, but Christmas is happening somewhere in
the background, you know what I mean. And these movies
always feel like Christmas even though they're not Christmas. So
you could sneak it in with a with a how
a Grinch Stole Christmas, or you could sneak it in
with a Nightmare before Christmas and it just feels like home,
you know.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah. I see Edward scissors hands up there, And ironically
I was having this, we were having a conversation like
this at work and someone said Edward scissors hands and
I'm like, that's a that's a christ I don't even
remember I think I've seen it one time in general,
maybe twice, so like I'm interested to see what's what's

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being said on that end.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
So absolutely and definitely a note to self, it's on
my list. Yeah, ever, Sinisterhands, it's one of those weird ones.
I just I just keep coming back to it every
single year. It just feels like a snow globe of
a movie. But we'll get there. Before we get started,
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(06:31):
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Stay and See? Stay and See? Are you ready to
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Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, And now that I'm thinking about it, I didn't
even think about any sports movies that take place around Christmas.
I'm sure there's gotta be, like you know, like I
think Rudy's to be somewhere up in there. That's college
football season.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
So in a way, no spoiler, you picked you picked
the sports movie. In a way, you picked the sports movie,
all right?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh, yeah, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
You know what I mean? So you you you inception yourself. Yeah,
we call that victory wash. Just kind of let's just
get to this list, because this is and how we
do these list people is Watch picks his top five,
I pick my top five, and we kind of boil
that down to a definitive ten if that makes sense,

(07:38):
you know what I mean. So we don't We're not
gonna be here with a list of twenty movies. But
also we can our personalities will shine through our lists.
You could. And I've always said, you learn a lot
about a person about their movie likes and disclikes. Man.
Oh yeah, yeah, that's almost like a date question. You
know what I'm saying? What's your favorite movie?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
You know, I'll walk away from something.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
I'll walk away see something crazy. Yeah, like what.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
We're done?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, we're done. What's your favorite movie? Cannibal Holocaust? Well
on my head out. I'm just gonna go ahead and
take the check via condos. I'll hope you have a beautiful,
fruitful life. All right, speaking of beautiful movies, Watch is
not playing around number five two goat movie of all

(08:27):
time Batman returns. I'm gonna let you take it, my man,
and I'm glad you.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Started it out with Goat Movie of All Time because
I did. I did not do a full rewatch, but
I did revisit enough to where I want to do
a full rewatch. There are a couple of things I
want to take out just for Batman Returns. I'm not
even sure I'm talking about Christmas in this first off,
This movie's freaking awesome. Man like this. You think about

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superhero movies today all level put them all together, I'm
not sure they have the well maybe like the first Avengers,
you know what I mean. It carries the right off
the page of the freaking comic book type of feel,

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and that is Batman Returns. This movie's freaking great. Point two.
You know what, Michael Keaton's the best Bruce Wayne. Why
because he's super passive. He's been the only one to
get Bruce Wayne sort of right. Like Bruce Wayne's not

(09:37):
He's a depressed, upset man with issues, but he's not.
You know, he gives the children's hospitals, he plays with
kids like. He's very approachable as Bruce Wayne, and a
lot of Batman films today want to project Bruce is
just a brooding man.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Brooding man, Okay, go outside.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
So when I'm watching this and I'm watching how like
relatable Michael Keaton missed this character, it got me just
that much further, Like I'm sticking steaks in the ground
right now on Batman Returns because for whatever reason, it
was kind of candy to my eyes and something that's, uh,
Tim Burton's like just something that I haven't felt in

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a minute in regards to a superhero movie. Now to
the Christmas holiday thing. One of the reasons this is
one of my favorite like holiday Christmas movies is not
because it takes place during Christmas, but the lighting, the
way Tim Burton set the stage for the color contrasting

(10:48):
of the black against the white with the clowns like
cruising around in the red. It's it's perfect. It's like
watching the circus. And I was watching some commentary day
where they actually said, yeah, it's too much like a
circus to me, and I'm like, I never saw it.
But when you look at the vibrancy, you know, if

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you want to put some music behind this thing, you
probably could and like have a have a full blown
musical right or wrong, whatever, But that feeling of the Red,
the White, the it rings tones of Christmas to me
when I'm watching it, and thus it makes it really

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feel like a holiday type movie, even though you know
it is taking place during Christmas. There is Christmas trees
and maybe even a present or two.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, absolutely, especially the main the beginning of the movie
where there's a giant present that explodes and all of
the all of the circus games pop out and the
movie starts. I'm gonna try to be as scinct as
possible because I can talk about this all night. This
could be the hour. But this is not a Batman
Returns review. So I will say that you had to

(12:05):
be there for the hype around this movie when this
was coming out back in good old nineteen ninety two.
We're all kids back then that you could not it
was nothing more crazy. I remember watching behind the scenes
clips on EA Entertainment Entertainment Weekly of Catwoman fighting Batman
on the roof and having a conniption fit as like

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a seven year old. It's like a five year old.
It's losing my day of mind. This is a this
was gonna make my list if it didn't make your list,
a thousand like number one. This is why we would
have been number one or number two for me people,
because you know I'm a big Keaton fan. He is
my Batman. You hit the nail right on the head.

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He is the most perfect a live action Bruce Wayne
of all time, where he's just out of the way,
but when he's not Batman, he's a human. One of
my favorite scenes is where he's eating the souper and
he says cold and Alfred says, what a fishy swaster.
He has this blank look on his face, like what
the hell is that it's supposed to be cold, And

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he's like, okay, fine, I'll figure out he was right.
It's like the most human thing ever. And it's like
it's rare that Batman on screen capture that kind of simplicity.
They're either super dark and brooding like the patentson Batman,
or they're the they're too outlandish, they're too trying to

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put up a face, like the Christian Bale Dark Knight
where he's jumping in the swimming pools with women and
they're just doing extras right, and this Bruce Wayne is
so close to the Batman the animated series Bruce Wayne,
where like you said, he's playing with kids. He's like,
he's you know what I'm saying, he's a philanthropist. He's
not a jerk, he's just a he's just out of

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the way. He's like, I'm gonna do my thing for
Gotham and that's just what it is. And this movie
just feels like Christmas. It feels cold.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
This movie feels cold. Yes, it feels cold. And I
no shade because when I looked at my lists and
the year like holiday movies, there are a lot of
Hall of Fame goters on my list. I did not
look at your list on purpose, so I could be
surprised along with the audience. But I'm assuming there are
on your list too. And Danny DeVito as the Penguin

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and Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman are no freaking clouches either. Okay, Like, like,
I'm not sure we've gotten a villain like Danny DeVito
back on screen in a Batman film.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Outside of like Heath Ledger bro Like that's it. It
was Daddy DeVito as the Penguin because he's sole literally
every scene it was in and he's Ledgers at the
exact same thing. I have to move on.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yes, costume freaking amazing.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
The color contrast.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
I was shocked at how much it just took, took,
how impressed I was with new viewing because I haven't
watched this movie in fifteen years, you know what I mean,
it's been that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So yeah, before we move on, I watched this movie
like twice a year. Bro, I fucking love this movie.
It just makes me feel like I'm a child. It
takes me to simpler time, Like mind you, I like
Batman nineteen eighty nine that more, but by like a hair,
by like a literal hair, because it's nostalgia just takes over,

(15:24):
like nineteen nineties Ninja Turtles. I can't argue that, you
know what I'm saying. Nostalgia just fights Nostalage is a
god in that.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
But it's it's a conversation I started having in my head.
But I haven't taken to fruition because I was like,
what am I doing right now? And I'm like, no,
it may be Batman turns, bro, sorry.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Hand on the day you asked me, but like, but
nostalgia will not allow me to pick anything other than
eighty nine Batman? Do you see what I mean? What
you mean? Speaking of seeing things? From a certain perspective.
My number five, sticking with Burton, sticking with atmosphere, sticking

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with just the feeling of cold, you know what I mean.
I chose nineteen nineties Edward scissor Hands as my number
five non Christmas Christmas movie. The last movie that Fitsent
Price was in Before He Passed Away, Rest in Peace
as the father of Edward scissor Hands. This was one
of those movies as a kid that was just so

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over my head that at first I didn't like it
because it was I felt like it was slow, you
know what I mean. It's a very meaningful movie by
Tim Burton, who's usually Danny Elfman screaming at you with
the soundtrack and you know, you know this like just
just talking about Batman returns. He's almost like two different
kinds of movies from the same director. But then the.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Carnival going on like in front of your eyes and Whatnot's.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Big adventure is screaming at you. And then he makes
this which is the most somber like almost I could
prelude a nightmare before Christmas, before a nightmare before Christmas,
as you're getting this almost homunculous which is Edward Sis
or hands who was kind of awoken from his from
an infinite slumber and throwing into this weird Beaver esque

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Americana world where the color contrast is so sharp it's
almost like unsettling. It reminds me of the Black Hole
Sun video by his Soundgarden, remember that where it's like
distorted faces and the saturation was turned up to twenty
you know what I'm saying. And you have Winona Ryder
in this Sun Yellow Wig as you know, as his

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love interest in you know, Johnny Depp was just like,
this is when people realize, Okay, this kid is a star.
I think this was the movie, not a Nightmare on
Elm Street. It was this that kind of started to
catapult him in the direction that where he ended up
going being a goat actor because he did so much
with so little in this role. Didn't really speak, was

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very soft spoken, but also had tons of personality and
tons of nuance. And as a kid, I related to
him because he was an outsider, you know what I mean,
no one, you know, he was novel at first, and
then people they quickly turned on him because they thought
he had done something that he didn't do and him
having these signature scissor Hands not being able to touch anyone,

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he can't hook, you know what I mean. It was
just very cathartic for a young man who just felt
like I don't belong anywhere, you know what I mean.
So this movie really spoke to me.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
And is there any holiday seam for you in there?
There's something that rings true to the holiday season for you?

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Very good question. And I like that we're tying this
to each movie, you know what I mean, because there
is a lot of holiday in this movie. Because much
like Batman returns Edward, Scissorhands feels like it's living inside
of a snow globe. You know. Yeah, it has a
very soft, kind of quiet Christmas morning. You remember when
you were a kid and you would wait up at four

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in the morning and the whole house is sleep but
it's Christmas Eve, our Christmas Day, and just waiting around
till mom makes up so you get open gifts and
it's in the world is blue, you know what I'm saying.
And it's cold and you're just sitting there in your
jammis and no food, no water. You're just staring at
the tree, staring at it. You know, just wait waiting
for those painful moments. Some movie just feels like that energy,

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like this almost like this anticipation in the air. I
love the snow scenes. It just makes me feel like Christmas.
A lot of these movies they're not Christmas, but they
make me feel like Christmas just because of the atmosphere
and the non word storytelling that Christmas just kind of
brings out and everything. You know what i mean, Christmas
is not a word. It's a vibe, you know what

(19:43):
I mean. Like Halloween is a vibe, you know what
I'm saying. Like there's not many holidays that are just
a vibe.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Like you know, ah, man, you can be Christmas three
sixty five, you know what I mean. It's it's just
it's vibe. It's it is what it is. So some
people dig it for a day, people dig it for
six months, and some do it the whole damn year.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Some people just don't take their tree down, bro right,
you know. Ever Your Hands is one of those. Oh
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I I to this day, I've seen this film maybe twice,
and I don't think I get it to this day.
As an old man, Brian, I'm still kind of like, yeah,
I didn't. I didn't understand the story that Tim Burton
was telling, Like I understand, like you know, Johnny Depp's

(20:35):
difference from the general population in just his his alonesomeness,
But when you're watching this as a film, it's kind
of depressed. It's really depressing. So for me, it was
never one that grabbed me. But I will agree with you,
this was the movie. And I didn't look up because

(20:57):
I don't want to break my computer. But I think
that this movie was up for some some awards.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Assuming, yeah, this.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Movie did not go unnoticed because it was very original
and it had a whole lot of hype as well
when it came out, but absolutely worth a revisit, I would.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Imagine, Yeah, this movie felt a lot like and I
want to talk about like these these directors that are
kind of lumping in a group now where its directors
Like I want to talk about these directors like like
Tim Burton, like now Giermo del Toro, Clive Barker, where

(21:36):
they aren't horror movie directors, right, they tell dark fantasies,
you know what I'm saying. They're like dark fantasy storytellers
where it's not scary, it just sparks the imagination, you
know what I mean, in a dark you know, macabre setting,
you know, corpse bry type stuff, and uh oh, go on,
go on, you're good.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
In my research, they said Burton specifically like to use
Christmas as a contrast to some of his his story telling,
and how just different, you know, Nightmare before Christmas. Christmas.
It's like, yeah, okay that I wasn't gonna put these

(22:16):
two things together, but now that you did, let's drink it.
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, it makes sense right like and also, like you
mentioned something about it making sense like Christmas wise, this
story always felt like Pinocchio, you know what I mean,
Like yeah and not you know, I want to be
a real boy. And he's always trying to find his heart,
trying to find his trying to validate his existence, you

(22:41):
know what I mean, almost like Ai, you know what
I mean. He's trying to find it. He's trying to
hit the singularity, you know what I mean, and he's
doing it in this small town.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
I would highly recommend for Johnny Depp fans that haven't
seen this because you know, as we talk about some
of these movies, they're they're they're in our Blood. But
at the exact same time as I was going through
and reviewing my list, it's like, sure, there's a lot
of folks who have never watched The Batman Returns or
in Edwards Scissors Hands. They've watched Batman, They've seen a

(23:12):
lot of the New Batman, but they're like, Batman Returns,
What the hell, I'm gonna watch it? Nineteen ninety what? No,
go watch that.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's funny. Watch this.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
If you're a Johnny Depp, say this.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
If you're man, you like Pirates, you want to see
some early Johnny Depp. That's just gonna rock your socks off.
Watch some Edwards, Watch some Edwards. It's really good stuff,
especially around this time. Here give you some Coco. Speaking
of things that you probably should watch at some point
in your damn life. This, I'm telling you, where's this list? Doug,
you're tripping this, dude. This is number four by dude.

(23:45):
It's nineteen seventy six, own Rocky Man, Take it away, dude.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
When you when you brought this topic up to me,
this is one of the movies that popped into my
head because for me, hey love Rocky Like I spent
the summer watching Rocky one through five NonStop, like the
entire summer. That's all that was on, just on repeat.

(24:11):
So I love me some Rocky. But when you talk
about the holiday season, Christmas time, if you're feeling a
tad bit alone, but you like yourself, a good sports story,
a good a good come uppham story, Rocky. Like it's cold,
you talk about cold. This whole movie's freaking cold. You're

(24:33):
you're watching this and you're like, I need a sweater.
In fact, I had my Christmas sweater, but it was
a tad bit too wrinkled, so I didn't wear it.
So you're like, man, I need a Christmas sweater putting on.
So this for me rings true to the holidays for
a couple of reasons. Number one, he wears a Santa

(24:54):
hat for the love of God. Right the fight itself,
I want to say, the fight takes place like Christmas
Eve is when the fight is and it comes up
and the build up for an hour, fifteen hour, thirty hour,
forty five minutes. All of these movies take a tad longer.

(25:14):
I noticed that as well. And then the white print
comes up and it's like New Year's Eve and they're
at the Arena in nineteen seventy six, Ding Ding Ding,
and the bell goes, And if you haven't seen it,
even if you have seen it, as soon as that
do rings, you're like, yup, this is good. This is

(25:37):
freaking good for the next however long it lasts. So
Paul's melt down about the freaking.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Turkey, that's my favorite scene of the movie.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Can pick a freaking He's just losing his freaking just
sitting there drinking his bourbon, a bunch of down on
your luck type. Character's just normal human beings in the
Christmas holiday season, doing the best they can with what

(26:09):
they got. And for me, this is one of those movies.
It's like Christmas movie is put on Rocky especially if
you've got a couple of people around you know you
want to keep it a tad bit lighter in the house.
Great way of doing it.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I can't what do you say about damn Rocky Man,
Like it's like one of the greatest movies of all
time And it's so it's one of those movies. Though
I've never I haven't seen a lot. Our house was
a Rocky two house, You were in a Rocky one house.
We're a Rocky four, and we're a Rocky two. You

(26:45):
know what I mean? It was Ivandrago all day, every day,
so Rocky one. Was it really in the rotation like that?
But I'm a human being. I've seen Rocky you know
what I mean, the perfect coming of each story that
down on your luck. The everyman, every single actor in
this movie does not look like an actor. They look

(27:06):
like real ass humans that just happened to be put
a camera on. They're even even Stallone himself looks not
like it. Mind you, this is before he became so
FESTI salone, right, Uh you look every day every man,
every day man from Philly. You know what I mean?
In regards to Christmas, it is kind of a Christmas

(27:27):
movie man. Like you said, the atmosphere is all around,
and this movie does what movies don't do anymore, which
is make you wait for it. The entire name they
build up and this is so the fight.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
It's the entire thing's taking place around the holiday. And
I think about when Rocky's yelling at Mickey as Mickey's
walking down the stairs after after he's tried to get
Rocky back, and Rocky's like, my legs, you said, my
legs are so good, you know what I mean. And
it's that frustration of of life, and this movie captures that,

(28:04):
but with it taking place around the holiday, it makes
it feel a tad more special, so that when you
get to that ding ding ding, you get that payoff
because Rocky does the spoilers, folks, he doesn't let you down.
It's a good movie. Watch Rocky too.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Watch Rocky, Please watch them all. Rocky is one of
those theories where they're all good, even even the even
the newer ones. Even I don't think I've.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
Seen that that late late last last one that came out.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You know, yeah, the most most the most recent one, right.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
That the Creed and Creede to watch, Yes, yes, I
have watch.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
It's not Rocky, but it's Rocky. It's not Rocky, but
it's Rocky. It's blocky. It's blocky. Oh man, Adria and
they put we were talking about last week about how
they're putting fictional characters as monuments and cities because they
need so much to people that you know, Rocky's on

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the steps for all eternity, Doug, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm going to tell you, God, if you did like
a man on the street type of like thing. I
bet one out of three. It's Rocky a real person. Yeah, Yeah,
Rocky was real.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Let's go Rocko, Yeah, let's go rock Go.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Let's go slowly.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Rocky's real.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, dude, love Rocky. Great house a millennial.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, Rocky was real. Right, Rocky lost like Rocky Rocky one?
Dug So my number four?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
What what?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Wow? My favorite Christmas movies of all time nineteen sixty
eight's own Rosemary's Baby, directed by Roman Polanski. They may say, Mike,
why is this movie on a on Christmas Christmas list?
I say, because it's a non Christmas Christmas movie, you
know what I mean. The movie takes place during the holidays.

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Rosemary is moved into a new apartment with her with
her husband Richie, who is an actor and who's you know,
a big name, and she is surrounded by people who
mean her not the best, but mean her all the best.
And this is probably one of my favorite horror movies
of all time. Mind you just a precursor. I grew

(30:34):
up in a horror house. Then this is mostly by
Mama ge you know what I mean. She loved her
some horror movies, especially around the holidays. They just tend
to sprout up, and the most scariest idea was like, yeah,
Christmas time is not always kind of you know, the
most joyous occasion for most people, and you kind of

(30:55):
I learned at early age Christmas time could be very
almost like dreadful and down for a lot of people,
you know. And Rosemary's Baby is probably one of the
most I would say dread field films you're gonna watch
anytime soon. Now, how does this fit into Christmas for me?
Why does it make it feel like Christmas? Because with

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this movie, Christmas is on the periphery of the movie,
just like the plot is on the periphery of the movie.
It is snowing, they are driving around, you know what
I mean, Gifts are in the air. She's pregnant, you
know what I mean. So it is a sort of
kind of like birth, rebirth, but of the worst possible guide.
You know. It's like the most juxtaposition of the holiday

(31:41):
I could you know, you could have right, Christmas celebates
the birth of Christ, So what's happening during the birth
of Christ is the birth of Satan, you know what
I mean. It's the craziest kind of like who thinks
like this? I guess Roman Polanski does so in my house,
this was all in rotation, you know what I mean,
It was just a I don't know. No one asks
me why, you know what I mean. This is not

(32:03):
a dream, This is really happening. Yeah, this movie was
really happening in the Mikey house. So yeah, this is
my number four. I love this movie. I'll watch it
once a year around this time. It just makes me
feel like Christmas. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
I did not see this coming, but I can see
why it's on the list. It definitely does have a
holiday theme going in the background in the nineteenth, early nineteenth,
late nineteen seventies and middle seventies, whatever they're doing as
far as costuming goes. Mike, I had never we've never
spoken about this movie, but we probably have to do

(32:39):
a review on this because this low key next to
Extressist is one of my favorite movies. It's so it's
it's it's uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable that it's good and
you're just like, damn, this is this poor lady.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
But yeah, it's so unsettling that you're on the outside
looking in and there's nothing you can do. You can't help.
As an audience, you can't help her, and she's so
oblivious to what's going on. It's so like you said,
it's it's it goes over boundaries and then it pulls
it back a little bit. It hips a boundary, it

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goes back a little bit, so you're never so appalled
like an exorcist where you just have to leave. It
never forces you to leave, but you're just sitting and
you're on comfort. Like. I hope things work out for
her and get and spoiler alert, they kind of done
and they kind of do, depends on your perspective. It's
super messed up. It's super Christmas. I absolutely love this movie.
And yes, I do want to do a deeper dive

(33:41):
into this film. Can we do a Laura on a baby?
Is that rough?

Speaker 3 (33:49):
I think so? Yeah, I'm gonna say yes, just as
a as a reaction, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Not, maybe not maybe not Lore Damien. No, that's a
that's the that's the other one. That's the omen. But yeah,
I absolutely love this movie. It's just Christmas to me.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
I hadn't I hadn't pegged it as a holiday movie
when I was doing my list and running through different ideas.
This was never one that comes in, so very very
nice to see it on the list, like super interesting.
And again, folks, if you haven't seen Rosemary's Baby, because
this is movie's old. Hey, look here in the archives
during the holiday season, I'm going through some old movies

(34:35):
and it's like nineteen sixty eight. Man, we're getting up there,
We're getting up there. I got a couple of hundred
year old film sitting here and it's like that wasn't
that long ago, but here we are.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, a lot of these movies are going to be
older because you know, Christmas is a child's It's really
a child's holiday, you know what I mean. So most
of my memories of good Christmas feeling times when I
was little, when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
And I guess, you know, as a little intermission, let
me ask you and kind of break and break in,
what is the latest newest Christmas or how what is
the most recent recently made Christmas movie you have watched?

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Oh? Man, I hate to say it, but it's like
Red One with Damn Dwayne the Rock Johnson and Chris
Evans Netflix where they have to save Santa Claus and
it's super dumb and just the worst kind of like
Netflix slop. Thank you for buying WB By the way, Netflix,
I'm really excited for the feature of film. But that's

(35:40):
the most recent I gotta call it red one though,
where it's an action movie and you know, Jim what's
j J and the Jamison from Spider Man plays, you know,
Santa Claus and that's you know, it's whacked.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, JK so Ak Simmons.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, so you know, Lucy lewis in it. It's a
good movie. It's a horrible movie, but it feels like Christmas.
And that's most recent newest Christmas movie I've sat down
and watched just for sheer curiosity, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
It did get terrible ratings, and I will say I
didn't want to watch it, but I did watch it,
and that was bad. Sanna and frankly, you know who
I am with comedies. It was fine.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Yeah, it's a very growdy movie. So I can see
how you're not feeling that. It's a little little ghost,
I would say, but yeah, speak so I feel that.
So we're on number three and this is one that
I once like your surprise with Rosemary's Baby nineteen ninety eight,
Enemy of the State, Expound Wash, Expound bro.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
All right, A couple of things about this movie. Well,
Young will Smith was the man. Young Will Smith was
a g in this movie with Gene Hackman. When it
came out was the tip of technology. The internet was
brand spank and new. We didn't know what a modem
versus router was. Most of us didn't even have a

(37:11):
computer yet. And here we are with this super and
I forgot how just deep this spy story goes. And
they keep you in suspense. I'm certainly not gonna ruin
it here because I'm sure a lot of folks have
not seen this movie, because this can easily be passed

(37:31):
as a B type of that's a B movie, you know,
that's not. This was freaking awesome and it's still good.
It still holds up. Essentially what we have is spy movie.
Some stuff gets recorded, people have to find the recording.

(37:55):
Cia Will Smith plays a lawyer, high end lawyer, out
of his league within this tech film and shenanigans in two.
I want to say this thing clicks in at a
solid two hours. It's a great action movie, it's a
great spy movie. It's a great Young Will Smith movie.
I go on and on and on about Young Will Smith.

(38:16):
That dude is a g So why is this a
holiday movie? For me? And the holidays is all over
this thing. Like the first thing he's doing at the
opening scene of the well, the second part of the
opening scene is he's shopping in Victoria's secrets for Christmas.
He hides presence within the house, so there's a lot
of holiday going on in the background. So for me,

(38:39):
that is always just kind of stuck with me as
a holiday type of film. But when you get into
the film itself, it fits the holiday. It it fits
what's going on as far as the background and the
timing of these situations. And that had me because I

(39:02):
was thinking, could this movie have been made during July fourth?
I might good. I mean, yeah, it could have been
made during July fourth, but it would have ruined some
of the relationships that were going on. It would have
ruined Gene Hackman's character of just a a CIA agent

(39:27):
that doesn't want to be bothered anymore. When he's walking
into the bar and you see the bar Christmas lit
and he's talking to the bartender very quickly, it makes
him more approachable. Christmas makes everybody more approachable. Everybody. You
know what, ding ding ding, You walk up, you give
him a bus, You're happy to do it. Some people

(39:47):
stick a twenty in there. Everybody's a tad bit more
charitable and approachable during the holiday season. So when you're
taking like Gene Hackman's character in this which was a
very straightforward mean I don't want to talk to anybody,
much like Tommy Lee Jones and Men in Black, when

(40:07):
you look at his character, the wrapping of the holiday
season allows the relationship for Will Smith and Gene Hackman
to grow, bringing forth the end of the movie. Y'all
may think him crazy. You may be like, you're whack.
You're talking a bunch of nonsense about Eddie Misstate. No,
go watch this movie, man. Gene hack Paintment is a goat.

(40:29):
Will Smith is a goat. These two were doing Michael
Bay was a goat. Was pretty tight, like this is
this is good stuff right here. Regina Regina, Regina, Regina
Hall goat, Yeah, fight me on it. So there's a

(40:54):
they do a lot of Christmas stuff in this flick.
There's a lot of Christmas background going on. So it
is very much right in your face. So, uh, Christmas
with a high tech edge man.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
That's funny. This movie is when I've just I've been
on a very big like spy kick lately, you know
what i mean, like everything spy with me, Like it
went from comic book movies, the spy stuff. So I've
been watching Tinker Taylor, Soldier Spy. I started rewatching, you know,
I started rewatching Day of the Jackal, which was a
see a series based on The Jackal, Night Agent all

(41:31):
that stuff. So hearing that this is a you know,
a spy movie based on Christmas, directed by Michael Bay,
starring a young Will Smith, and they goat you know,
Lex Luthor, Gene Hackman, and you know what I mean,
Like I'm probably I'm gonna watch this after them, after
the show, like this is what it's not on my radar.
I've never seen it before, so I'm very excited about this.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
And they're gonna fire up the tech and Gene Hackman's
gonna get to talking and you're gonna be like, yo, bro,
it's twenty twenty five. Some of those where its still
aren't just regularly thrown around. People still don't know which
is what's really kind of impressive about this movie is
how they keep the the surveillance because it's a movie

(42:14):
about surveillance obviously with a little grid and whatnot. They
and how just how far advanced they were talking even
today you're still like, man, that's that's cool. It is
probably not, you know it is.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Technology is always like thirty or at least thirty to
fifty years in advanced in military application and before the know,
that's scrubs, grab it, you know what I.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
Mean, sh I had the good stuff.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
They're like eating PlayStations and having the experience in their dreams.
In the military application, we're still using controllers and ship
so you know what I'm saying. So I'm very excited
about this one. Is it? And much like I feel
like I kind of defend myself about Rosemaries Baby because
it's such left of center, I could see why you
feel like gift it to thing yourself about enemy of state.
But you're absolutely right. It is about our non Christmas

(43:08):
Christmas movies. And that's the whole point of a non
Christmas Christmas movie is that it's not a Christmas movie,
but it feels like a Christmas.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Movie, and it takes place during the holidays, so it
gets hardwired in your head when you're watching it that
first time. It's not like I've had a lot of
extensive conversations about Enemy of the State being a top
ten Christmas movie of all time. I haven't. But when
you go top ten non non Christmas movies and you

(43:39):
see him shopping in the Victoria Secrets Store for his girlfriend,
and you're like, yeah, if you've been shopping for your
girlfriend a Victoria's Secret Store, you know exactly what's going on. Yeah, Christmas,
it's good. It's a great flick. Watch this, Mike, if

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you haven't seen, I think you're gonna dig it, man,
I think you will absolutely dig it.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I'm gonna have words for this come Friday night, six
pm on YouTube and Twitch for MLTN episode four four seven.
I think we're on right now, So I'm definitely gonna
be watching this tonight because I need to watch something
brand new. So my number three this is where my
gloves start to come off a little bit. All my
number three non Christmas Christmas movie, Steven Spilperk Presents but

(44:29):
directed by Joe Tante nineteen eighty four. Let's Go Grimlins
bro like absolute Grimlins. This is another one I don't
get to talk about on this channel all that often,
but effing Grimlins, Grimlins two the New Batch are just
like this brick of continuity that's just untouchable in the

(44:50):
in the Mike g House movies. And I'm going I'm
eating my dirt first before I eat my Christmas dinner.
This movie breathes Christmas. It's all about Christmas. The whole
point of the movie is that a father goes into
an exotic kind of like thrift short shop in his

(45:11):
local town to buy his son at Christmas gift and
he wants something different, so he finds gizmo. He finds
a magua, which is this exotic animal that is not
for sale because it's just too the responsibility is too
high to own one of these things the US. It's
like it's like owning a Bengal tiger, you know what
I mean, Like it's not for the faint of heart.

(45:34):
Excuse me. And once he once he talks to Guy
in not buying it, all wackiness ensues in this dark, dark,
dark horror movie that's based around Christmas.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Sorry you got one rule.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
There's one freaking rule. That three there's three rules. The
three rules, And this is one thing I love about
Grimlins movies. Don't do it rules. So one you don't
you do not put them in sunlight because they'll just die.
They explode in sunlight, right like little vampires. Two, don't

(46:11):
get them wet. Whatever you do, do not get these
little dudes wet. And last, and most importantly, do not
feed it after midnight. These are the three rules of
all magway. And it's pretty simple if you're not an idiot.
But sadly he gives it to his child, and mind you, Zach,
Zach Gaffagan in this movie looks thirty, but he's playing

(46:34):
like a fifteen year old or something like that, you know,
just eighty style stuff. And of course what's the first
thing he damn does is get the thing wet. And
of course Gizmo is the most almost likable but almost
like standoffish creature. This is before like marketing just started
eating the world, and this would have been a baby Yoda.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Back in the day, you know, made a ton of
money back.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, mogwise, Yeah, the marketing machine on this. If you
bring back Gremlins now, it would make a ton of money.
I don't know why they haven't thought they are. They
are the animated version, right, they are.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
They're bringing something back.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
What, but I've seen Steven Spielberg's name won this.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Bro. Gremlins one is just one of the weirdest movies
because it's a dark comedy set on Christmas and it's
all about Christmas. Like it it's snowing outside, they're putting
up the tree, you know what I mean. It's just
this snowy Christmas vibe in this small town. They just
ran a muck by these gremlins that are just almost

(47:43):
like an apocalyptic event that they need to get a
hold of now because if these Grimlins spread outside of
this town, much like the movie a Rachnophobia is one
of my favorite you know, they call it a horremedy,
you know what I mean. The world would just end
if these things got out of control, you know what
I mean. So there's steaks, there's Christmas, there's stripe, there's blood,

(48:06):
there's death. Like it's crazy how weird this movie is,
but it's also a Christmas staple.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Little Grimlins are wrecking shopping the store or something like. Yeah,
it's been some years since I watched me some grimlods, but.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
They hung up the family dog with Christmas lights. Bro.
There's one scene where the mom gets one and throws
it into the microwave, hits popcorn, and that shit literally explodes.
No cuts on screen. I'm like Jesus Christ's graphic ass scene.
They literally shoot somebody's grandma out of a second story

(48:43):
fucking window at high speeds. That woman did not make it.
Are dying. And this is a Christmas movie, man, this
control this was it hit both spots for me. It's
like horror, Great, there's Christmas. My dad, Mike Prime, is
such a jerk. His nickname for me when I was

(49:04):
growing up was he used to call me a Maguay
because I was little. I was light skinned and I
had giant ears, so I looked just like a magua
as a baby. So this movie is irreputably tied to
my spirit of all time, you know, because Gizmo and
Gizmo also is best boy. I mean, Gizmo's the best.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
You know what I mean, you know, good friend, way
better than.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
He's way better than Chucky. Chucky's not a friend, man,
He's a phone.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Like if you're gonna have a best buddy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Yeah, he's not William. He's not William de Friend, He's
William Dafoe. Have you ever any history with Remlins.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
As a holiday movie, not not as much as a
fun filled like Grimlin activity. Yeah, I've seen this movie
a couple of times. Another one in the archive that
I have not seen in a long time, And actually
I don't after what you just said, I would like
to revisit what you just with about Krimlins of like, yeah,

(50:08):
I got a couple of shades in the background of
the Christmas of the Grimlins laughing of the lights. There's
there's really like movies, but it's lit well. No, but
it's lit well. And part of that lighting has to
do with the Christmas lighting that they have happened, like around.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
The town, illuminating the Grimlin faces. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
It does work in that aspect, so super cool. But yeah, no,
Grimlins goaded, that's cool. Grimlins two go.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
To it, even Golden even goaded Earth, which is funny
because I thought about it. I was like, man, Grimlins
one takes place on Christmas, Grimins two takes place on
New Year's so you know thematically, this all happened within
the same time frame. You know what I'm saying, Like
these movies have there were years apart, but they felt

(51:00):
like they were almost like back to back, Like the
Grimmas just wouldn't go away. This problem kept becoming a problem.
I was about to.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Say two weeks later they had the same problem Grimlins.
This just happened, and it's like, damn, that's a problem.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
He had to move to the big city, man, because
he couldn't work at the town because the town was
still destroyed.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Were they in New York in Grimlins.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Yeah, they were in New York at this giant conglomerate building.
Remember where it was like a It was like a
building that was just Hollywood in one building. It was
so weird. Hulk Hogan was there. Bro sit is stupid?
That make no sense. We're getting it down to the
navy gritty here. Man. You picked the movie that was
in my top five. This is one of those I

(51:41):
would have picked it if you didn't pick it. But
nineteen eighty seven Leath the Weapon Take It Away.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Uh, this is one of those movies where you were
talking about earlier. You don't get the like talk about
this is one of those movies. I don't get the
gush about because no one talks about leitha weapon for
some freaking reason except for what I've been seeing one
with leith a weapon. Five. I don't know if I
believe it, but five it happens cool for those of
you not to know. This was the crew back in

(52:09):
the day, Mel Gibson, Danny Glover, Riggs and Murta like
they were awesome and Rigs cocaine scene, Christmas Tree, Christmas
tree lot opening scene. Pretty much you have no idea

(52:33):
what you're in for, and the freaking movie just hit
after hit after hit. So when we're talking about like
top ten movies or top top ten movies, one of
the things I haven't talked about quite enough is like
leith a weapon. I've been talking to mic folks about
a top ten action, a top ten action film one day.

(52:54):
There's a lot to pick from. Right for me, this
is in the conversation is number one. And the main
reason is simply because not necessarily the holiday backgrop because
they're in Los Angeles, so you don't notice it as much,
even though they have the Christmas trees, the holiday lights,

(53:14):
Glover's families getting ready for Christmas. But this is a
freaking buddy cop movie.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Awesome action, awesome, guns, awesome, villain, awesome last fight, awesome
car chase, awesome, like check, check check. It just checks
every single box. So just as far as a film
itself goes, this is one of the great films. So

(53:46):
when you said holiday movie, it's one of the ones
that popped into my head. It's just like, yeah, this
is a holiday movie because yeah, Christmas is happening, but
this is a dope, dope movie.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
This is probably the coldest movie of my list, Like
it feels cold. There's the scene where the the Lady
is the opening scene where she's in that skyrise and
it just looks cold and she's kind of like woozy,
and it's like in the middle of the night, all
the lights are off and she literally falls off the
window with the drapes on her. She's like floating almost

(54:23):
like a like almost like Jedi robes and slams on
the top of that car. And then the next scene
is you go to that you know that slutty sacks
that Weir Weir. You go to the beach and you
see Rigs like literally about to kill himself and it's
like Christmas so he does it. It's out of control.
Oh yeah, it's happening in this movie, dude. Like and

(54:45):
that's the opening scenes and it's it's a inviceral movie.
So like when she hits that car, it's like you found.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Right like you.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Sam uh I Like this is a Christmas movie because
one of the major scenes is in a people don't
really do the citymore is in the Christmas tree like
shopping center. You remember back in the day, you would
go with your parents and go pick out a tree
and you would go to like the little shop, you know,

(55:17):
like an empty lot that just had Christmas trees and
you would just go pick on it was like it
smelt like pine. It's this whole like experience, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
You get those in La Your trees are four hundred
and eighty five dollars though, yeah, and I was like,
oh no, those are trees for me.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
No. That's why our family now has an electronic tree,
a robotree that's saving all that. Yah yah. But and
what really ties to this as a Christmas movie is
Myrto's family. You see his little girl, you see his
his wife, you see his son, and it's the most
like family matters like family or they're just kind of
like they're but they they're important because even the daughter

(55:58):
becomes an important part of the of the film later on.
So the steaks are there, and the Christmas is there,
and crazy Ash what was his name? Keys? What was
the actor's name who played the main villain who put
the fire under his arm? Mister Joshua, Mister Joshua. That's

(56:19):
Gary Gary Gary Gary Young, Gary Busey, a young Gary Busey, Doug.
This is a goat movie, bro, Like this is there's
a women, oh in the mud, bro, with all the
cop cars around him and stuff in the Christmas lights.

(56:40):
It's so sick going at it. Man. Uh, there's a
reason these had four sequels, you know what I'm saying.
Lethal weapon was a big deal. I wanted to ask
before we move on. Was this the birth of the
buddy cop movie? There's been stuff like before, but nothing
like this.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
You know, I don't know. I can't say it's the
birth because the seventies had starsky chimps and and all
the all this stuff, right, But I think that this
brought a different flavor and it might have just been
Riggs and Glover that we're able to capture that lightning

(57:23):
in the bottle, as you like to say, and and
be able to turn something on. But when you look
at the buddy cop films of the eighties, when we
talk and we don't talk enough about letus comparing genres
of film time, buddy cop films of the eighties, I'll
put that up against quite a bit when we're talking

(57:45):
about the history of the film, you know what I mean,
Like name oh Man, They're all there and you'll watch
them over and over and over again, so.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I don't Yeah, I mentioned it. I mentioned earlier that
you know, Everard Tards or Hands was kind of like
the breakout film for Johnny Depp. Well, I think this
was the breakout film for Mel Gibson, you know what
I'm saying, because he had been in you know, The
Road Warrior, which would turned into Matt Max and had
some success there, but I think this is where it

(58:15):
turned him into a movie star, you know what I mean.
This was the turning point for his career. And it
being based on Christmas just makes it even more sweeter.
And it's funny because our next film also is the
breaking point for a young actor that's set on Christmas.
That is actually one of my favorite action movies of
all time. Gotta go with die Hard Man the original

(58:39):
die Hard with Bruce Willis bro set on Christmas. He's
visiting California because he's trying to reconcile with his wife.
He finds himself in Knakotomy Plaza, which is like, you know,
one of those iconic spots of course, during a Christmas party.
It's overrun by European terrorists, ran by the late great

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Alan Rickman, you know what I mean. And this is
almost like a personality play, letting you know who Bruce
Willis is. You know what I mean. This is the
movie where it's like, I hope you like Bruce Willis
because this is pretty much what his bag is. And
this is him like debuting Willis. You know, it's all
about you know what I'm saying. It's just Willis a thorn,

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you know what I'm saying. He's an action star. He
once we're going back to Rocky where he looks like
in every Man. He's not chiseled and cut like Arnold
or like Sly. He's just a normal looking dude in
a weird, precarious situation. And he figures figured is it out.
I love this movie because it feels like Christmas. One

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of the most kind of things for me, and one
of the things I wanted as a kid was he
buys his daughter this giant, ridiculously large bear that he
keeps in the limo. You know that he he's in
the limo. Yeah, I would that giant teddy bear. Dude. Yeah,
ho ho ho, I have a shotgun. You know, stupid
stuff like that, You know what I mean, mother effort.

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You know, like this is one of my favorite action
films of all time, and it just smells like Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
This movie Christmas Party, Everything's happening. I mean, we don't
have enough Christmas parties in this list. This is the
one that has a actual Christmas party and Shenani it's happening.
It's at Christmas party. Ironic that you put this right
next to you know, eighty seven's leath a weapon, least

(01:00:37):
a weapon, die hard. I'll put films up against anything.
Pick two films like Let's Go So Very Much, A
a tied to the holidays, a bunch of cops working
on the holidays. In fact, that's why Bruce finds himself
for the situation that he's in is. I believe everybody's.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Gone home for the holidays. Holiday.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, there's no one really working, you know what I mean.
A couple of cops cruising around, but other than that,
everybody's with their family and all hell breaks loose. I
had the privilege, privilege and pleasure driving towards you could
tell me ya Yakul Toy Tower like every day for
like two years when I lived in La go to work,

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so I'd always see it and I'd always be like, hard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Hard counter three.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Dude, I won't fight you on it, won't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Man. I always call him Carl Winslow. But you know,
you know the actor. Yeah, he is one of his
early roles playing the cop who just happened and had
to work on Christmas Eve. You know what I'm saying.
He just kills it in this movie, you know what
I mean, as that kind of like outside voice and
and John McLean is in the middle of it. One

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of my favorite scenes is when he's walking on the
broken glass and you can see his feet kind of
just like getting mingled, and just the visceralness of that moment.
Of course, you know, him throwing Hans Gruber off of
the roof. You know what I mean, that iconic they
didn't tell kind of recommended where when they were gonna go,
So they're okay on three one and they let them go.

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So when you see that face he makes at the
end of the movie, that's actual terror because he didn't
realize he was gonna get dropped. So he's like he
was actually terrified at that moment.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
The things that happen on movies sets man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Never trust your director. They don't They want they're gonna
get the shot. They don't care how they get it,
you know what I'm saying. But The Herd is my
number two is because it's just I literally watch it
every Christmas. It's just on rotation with the rest of
my Christmas movies because it's so much fun and it's
just it's one of those that was just on in
the house, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
And there's a conversation people say that this is like
flat out Christmas movie. There's no non Christmas movie to it.
They will fight you, this is a Christmas movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
So this is one of those like Gremlins. It's like
it's Gremlin's just a Christmas movie. No, there's an exploding
cat in grisly it's not a Christmas movie, bro, it's
that I heard a Christmas movie. I don't know. Somebody's
gunned down by the Ak forty seven. I don't think
that's a Christmas movie. It doesn't. It doesn't celebrate the
holidays here. I don't know. Maybe I say, and his

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wife get back together, happy, you know, happy holidays, man,
at least for the holiday. Yeah, you know, it all
works out at the end. Speaking of things that needed
to work out, This dude's list is so dumb. Your
list is so out of control. Nineteen seventy two's The Godfather.

(01:03:42):
Dude could take it away, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
So here's the story behind this list. This. This was
a hard choice because we were not doing honorable mentions,
and I would have put this in as a honorable
mention had we possibly, But it's the freaking Godfather. So

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I in good faith could not put any other movie
on this list on my list ahead of The Godfather.
When we're talking about movies, now to the holiday point.
For me, I love long movies. I love long movies
during the holidays. This is one of those ones that

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I used to put on during the holidays. Some of
the most pivotal, memorable moments, at least for me, happened
during the holidays in this film. One of those major
being again him and Kay walking down the street, what
do you want for Christmas? I just want you? And
he grabs the paper, he sees the paper, sees his

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father's been shot. That whole freaking movie turns right there,
right there, and so well for me. If you've ever
been walking down the street with your girl during Christmas,
it gives those vibes and it feels warm, even though
it's not necessarily a warm movie, it doesn't necessarily take

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place during the holidays. Another one of my favorite scenes
also happens during the holidays, and that is the infamous
hospital scene when Michael has to move his father because
they're coming to shoot him again. They shot him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Eight times, eight times, eight times, so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Like fifty same guys. So just the tenseness of all
of that. Again, we talk about the feeling of cold
when him and the butcher are standing outside, actually Baker
are standing out he baked the cake or standing outside
and the cold. It's cold, you feel the tints, it's dark,

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it's the holidays. It's kind of freaking depressing. So was
it a non non Christmas, non holiday movie because of
those scenes, because there is snow in it, because there's
long trench coats in it, and for God's sakes, it
might be one of the best films ever made in
my opinion. Like that's just a fact. So was it

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on this list at one? Leth a Weapon could have
been one. After a couple of hours and the days
of debate, I could not in good faith tell you
that I'm gonna put leith a Weapon ahead of The
Godfather on any list, even action movie, even if you
told me Mel Gibson's best movies, the Godfather's going ahead

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against lith a Weapon, right, and he was not in
The Godfather. So that's how we get to number one
on this list. I know I've shaded some lines, but
for me, it is still a good holiday movie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
All about family, and you know, during the family, during
the holiday season, what's what's more family than the chore.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
It's funny that this film is so good that it's
almost like a wild card for you, Like it's either
not on the less at all, or it's number one,
you know what I mean. That's crazy. It's like either
it's the most honorable, honorable mention of all time. But
since we can't have those, I mean it's number one.
I mean, can I tell you a deep, dark secret, bro,

(01:07:35):
please please? I've never seen The Godfather one two three.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
What I've never seen The Godfather and one two three. Bro. Ever, Ever,
this wasn't on good to understand the house, Bro, this
is one of those. It was, you know, it was
one of those where it's like good Fellas, Godfather, we
chose good Fellas. You know what I'm saying. It just
wasn't on. And it's like it's the biggest blind spot,

(01:08:05):
one of the biggest bind spots in my Nerd title,
my Nerd Averse Master title, is that I just I
don't get it. I understand the weights of the movie.
I understand Michael Coleon and al Patino and all that
good stuff. I just never sat down and watched it, dog.
I just it's one of those I just never It's
so long, bro.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I'll even take part Yes, they are long. I'll even
take part three with Andy Garcia broken down, al Pacino,
Sofia Coppola. Fucking still a great movie. Man. Ah No,
I know, I'm sorry, No, bro, Bro, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
One of those what's gonna have you one's gonna sit
me down and watch these movies, bro, I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
Would be interested to know after you watch it, if
what you think about it being a holiday movie. I
would be very interested if you would be like, yeah,
I want to see where he's coming from with that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
I'm gonna come with one of our multi episodes with
the Progress Report, because this is one of those. It's
just a blind spot. It's just you know what I mean.
It's like the Beatles are rolling Stones, right, It's like
we didn't listen to the Stones in the house. We
listened to the Beatles. I get it, you know what
I mean. I get It's it's it's iconic. It's one
of the best. It's like the benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:09:20):
Man, I'm not sure you're saying you get it, but
it's like I'm sure, I'm not sure you you you
you do not say that in a bad way, but
it's like, once you watch these films, you're gonna like
you you will look at mob movies and gangsters movies
and entire think of all of them. I don't name

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all of them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Like my personal favorite mob movie is Mellerised Crossing by
the Cohen Brothers. That's my personal favorite mob movie of
all time as an adult. You know what I mean.
But I understand, Like I get the hype being between Godfather, Man,
I just one of those wasn't on, So I just did.
I just I missed the boat. It's hard to follow

(01:10:07):
the Godfather, bro with my number one pick. But yeah, yeah,
you want to know why. It's the freaking Gods nineteen
seventy two. The Godfather making offers. You can't refuse. What
the hell? You know what I'm saying. That's like trying
to shoot a jump shot after Jordan in the Flu Game. No,
you just go lay down, Doug. But I stand by

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my number one pick because it is the most non
Christmas Christmas movie in my life. This is the most
non Christmas Christmas movie that I've ever seen, and I
stand on it. And my number one is Trading Places?
Who Trading Places? Young dan Ackroyd freshout of Saturday Night Live,

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A super young Eddie Murphy talk about young Will Smith.
Young Eddie Murphy was damn near unstoppable in the eighties.
You know what I mean. This movie is all about,
you know, the juxtaposition, just the position between the wealthy
and the wanting all around Christmas time, and everybody's desperate

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around Christmas time. No matter how rich or core you are,
there is a bite of desperation that is within the code,
you know what I mean. Either you're struggling to make
rent and also struggling to buy gifts, or you're so
rich that you're struggling to figure out what to buy
Mommy Darris because she has everything, you know what I mean.
And this movie is so good because Christmas is all

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around the periphery of this movie, but it's really about
giving the opportunity to a street wise, just vagabond. He's
literally homeless in this movie. Eddie Murphy's character is. And
it's all about the stock market, which as a kid
would fascinated me about the stock market at a very
young age. Jamie Lee Curtis is in this damn movie,

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a young Jamie Lee outside of the Halloweens series. And
one of my favorite scenes to scene that's burned into
my brain about trading places is when the tides have turned.
They they they made the bet, the wager that we bet,
I bet you one dollar that Valentine who's played by

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Eddie Murphy can become a successful Wall Street stockbroker and
on the opposite dan Ackroyd, who's like spoon in his mouth, Debutarde.
You know, we'll we'll go to a life of crime
given the opportunity. And of course it happens that way
because when you give someone everything, it takes away from
someone everything. Things kind of just kind of go that way.

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And there's a scene where uh, dan Ekroyd is drunk
and in a Santa Claus outfit as any and he
like crashes the Wall Street like party and he's just
like super gnarly and drunk, and he takes a whole
ham and stuffs it into his beard and he has
beard hair and you see him trying to eat the

(01:13:01):
ham through the hair. It's like the most growny thing ever.
But it's so Christmas in my head, you know what
I mean. It's cold the movie like once again, that
feeling of cold, that feeling of atmosphere. That's the And
I was almost torn between this and Coming to America,
which is another great Eddie Murphy film, probably the best

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Eddie Murphy film of all time. But Trading Places feels
more like Christmas to me because it goes right into
New Year's where they're on the They're on the train
with the gorilla, you know what I mean, the guy
in the grilla and good morning my neighbor, you know,
and and uh, you know, they're dressed like Jamaicans, you
know what I mean. So I love, love, love love

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this movie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
It just gives me feelings of Christmas. It gives me
feelings of just remembrance of watching this on Cinemax on
Continental cable in nineteen ninety two, you know what I mean.
It's just it's one of my favorite movies of all
time and probably if I'm being honest with myself once again,
like nineteen eighty nine Batman and Batman Returns, it's really
Trading Places and Coming to America as my two favorite

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Eddie Murphy films of all time. And you ask me
any given Sunday, it's trading places. Any other day it's
coming to America. This is my number one non Christmas
Christmas movie, and I just I'm gonna watch it again
because I probably after I watch Enemy of the State,
because this is one of my favorite fing movies of
all time.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Watch The Godfather. But I'll say what I'll say is, uh,
you know, this is the goat stream because the again
go to it like top top ten, top ten comedy
of all time. Probably easily debatable for many folks. I
would have to sit down and think it is My
comedy isn't as extensive. But this is a Christmas movie

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one hundred freaking percent, and Christmas all throughout this thing,
and it's one hundred hilarious from start to finish. We
have not talked a lot about themes holiday themes that
are are within movies, and I'll say that this is
the most the one where you actually get done watching
it and you feel something and you're like, oh, I

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feel grateful, I have appreciative, appreciative. So from that aspect,
it's it's it's for sure a holiday movie, especially with
how it ends, like it ends much better than it
was in our previous to an ending, because in our
previous to its ending, you were feeling bad. You're like

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Dan Eckrod, I am sorry, bro, think bad. When you're
eating beard Ham, You're like, I feel bad for you.
And even Eddie gets to a point to where he's like, yeah,
this is cool.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
But there's something going on. It's almost like almost like
a Truman show like illusion or he starts to see
they both start seeing the illusion on both sides of it,
and it's it's such a metaphor for Christmas because it's
like we're spending money we don't have, right for the
most part, for those who are middle to lower class,

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you're buying your kid at that PlayStation two or three,
but it's cutting into your rent money, you know what
I mean. But I'll figure it out, you know what
I mean. Where it's like any Murphy side of things,
where he's like, these people will put me up. I
don't know what's going on, but I've seen more money
than I've ever seen in my whole life. But there's
something off. Why is all this in that acrooy side

(01:16:35):
of It's like, why is all this happening to me?
You know what I mean? This doesn't make sense, Like
I can't go to my family home. Why is this
black man living in my house?

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Off? What the hell is going on? These befriending hookers
and stuff. It's getting it's getting out of control. And
they both meet each other in the middle, like we're
not enemies, dude, the system is abusing us, and honestly,
during the holiday season, the system is abusing it's taking
advantage of your generosity. As you mentioned earlier your Christmas chair.

(01:17:09):
What are we doing during the holidays other than you know,
being with family. You're spending money, bro. And it's like,
this is a weird metaphor for just like being aware
of your lot and making the best of a situation.
It's it's it's a movie is so deep, dude. I
absolutely love this movie in a weird way. It's super deep.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
At the end of that movie, considered it to our conversation,
like a lot of things that happen here on the
Neudi verse where our light bulb goes on. But it's like,
there's holiday themes to this movie that are not told
unless you get to a stage in life where you're like, oh,
I get it, I get it now, and you know

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that's that's cool, that's kind of hot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
The holidays themes are so subtle that it doesn't make
it a Christmas movie, you know what I mean, make
a Christmas movie. It makes it a non Christmas Christmas movie.
We have reached the end of our top ten. This
is one hell of an episode, bro. Like we have
some non chalant goat bangers that if you haven't seen

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any of the movies we're talking about this evening, stop
and watch the ones that interest you, because they're all
top ten, ten out of ten movies.

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
To be honest, I cannot honestly say that there's anything
on television at this time of night if the well
stop bag or day like, because when we go live
it'll be tomorrow. But even tomorrow, when this goes live,
I am not sure that there's anything that's going to
be on TV that's gonna be better than one of

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these and just films that we just named.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
If we got the Godfather on this list, Batman returns
like you know what I'm saying, Rosemary's Baby, Like this
is a little bit, a little bit for everybody on
this list enemy of the state. You know, they're like surprise, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
I guarantee you he's heard on other people's Christmas list folks,
So you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Get it only here at podcast watch. Did you have
any final thoughts about the holidays about this list before
we closed this bad Boy out?

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
No, man, Hope everybody has a good holiday. Hope you
enjoyed the cast a lot of good movies. I want
to probably go back and revisit Grimlin's trilogy before Netflix
puts something out and god knows what that's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
So yeah, Mike Watch definitely gave me some things on
this list that I need to revisit. I'm gonna watch
Enmy Estate tonight and I will finally watch Damn Godfather.
Dang it. It just kind of closed that gap. With
that being said, I want to wish everybody a happy,
safe holiday. Also, just bring awareness that if this is

(01:19:54):
a tough time for you, there's help out there. You're
not alone. Seek counsel wherever you may find, because this
is a tough time of year for all of us
on one way or another. So don't feel a shame
that this holiday may be bringing you down. You're not alone.
We can figure this all out together. The holidays are
meant to bring together and not pull apart. In lists
like this, you'll find holiday spirit even in the most

(01:20:16):
strangest places, you know what I mean. So these movies
are a representative of that strange place where you can
find out holiday spirit. That being said, once again, please
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Give us your list which once that we miss I
know we missed a couple of non Christmas, Christmas movies
that you would like to bring to the forefront of

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of course, been your host Mastered and Universe Mike G.
He's been the Master of the Universe wash. This is
the Master Universe podcast, and we're gonna say MTN out
good nights and good luck and Merry Christmas and happy
Holidays to everyone out there.