Ep69 The Ambition Show feat. Julian Bermudez Founder Trauma Healing & Psychedelic Integration

Julian Bermudez, a teacher, guide, and the founder of Trauma Healing & Psychedelic Integration, has dedicated his extensive mental health career to assisting individuals in overcoming deeply entrenched experiences that have profoundly impacted their lives, leading to states of uncertainty, unhappiness, and pain. Julian's passion has been meticulously transformed into a steadfast commitment to trauma therapies that are characterized by empathy, support, and a safe environment, all while facilitating essential healing. Tune into M.A.Y.A. and explore how Julian's intuitive and insightful approach for trauma recovery may offer the therapeutic solution you or someone you know has been seeking.

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Now I'm mistay. Everyone. Welcome to another episode of Maya
My Ambition, Your Ambition. Of course, by now you know
that's the podcast that looks to embrace save me at
topics that are related to mental wellness. I'm a fresh
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the podcast is a pushback that veil of self doubt

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and sabotage that plagues so many of us in our lives.
To help you to identify the ambitions, but more importantly,
how to harness the motivation to help you reld satisfaction
and success in your everyday life. Not just life. I
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One of the things I say is this time is
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whatever we spend, tell me our next guest. Now, grab
that space that's private for you. I even encourage people
to grab, you know, a pen paper, got down some
thoughts that you have because I guarantee you you having
you know, and ah, I never thought of something that way.

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That's doing a bit more as you know. The installment
the Ambition show. Last week we had on Tamar Blue,
who is the founder and CEO of Mental Happy, and
it was amazing how her passion and purpose as they intersected.
She took that ambition and turned into an app that

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has a support group for everyone. So if you're looking
for a support group and you haven't found something, I'm
going to tell you to go check out Mental Happy.
Or if you've been looking to start a support group.
Mental Happy has all the bells and whistles things to
make it compliant, easy to use. It's worth checking out
no matter what your objective is So we are now
moving into what is the second week, and here's what's key.

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So I told you about the Ambition shows. So every
single Saturday in the month of August, except for one,
I'm having on an amazing guest who's going to talk
to you about their passion, their purpose and how they
bought that to fruition to help other people. These are
actually people to me who are just extremely altruistic at
this point of their lives, and I feel they have
something that other people need to know about. And I

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wanted to use my platform beyond just talking about mental
health topics, but to give you some real tools and
motivation yourself. So if you missed out last week the
first week, the take off was tomorrow Blue, the CEO
of Mental Happy. But don't worry because you can always
go back and watch those. We'll talk about that in
a bit as well. But we're gonna move on because
we have another stellar guest stepping in in episode sixty nine,

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and I am so excited about this because this really
resonates with me with being a therapist. There are all
types of therapy that are actually out there. And our
next guest onto the Ambition stage Julian Bermudez teach your
Guide and he's a founder of a trauma healing and
psychedelic integration type practice that takes you deep into the

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understanding and the journey of that is that is trauma.
And I'm going to say this, all therapists are not
created equal, depend upon what they're treating you for. And
I feel it takes really unique people to work with
people who have trauma, because trauma is I say to
everyone I've ever worked with, is not one size fits all.
You may have something in common with someone, but that

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doesn't mean that you have a shared experience. You share
something in common, but the experience might be different. We
let Juliet up onto the stage to talk about and
I love his practice mantras. He talks about transforming suffering
into agency and liberation. I would look at almost every
person I've ever met and ask them, do you ever

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in your mind, when you think about the trauma you
struggle with, ever see it as agency and liberation? There
are two words that people often can drop into a
sentence because they've never had the type of trauma treatment
that could help them to discover that exactly what's going
on Psychedelic Integration, which is all about trauma therapy. It's
a partnership with Julian, his partner and his wonderful dog

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as well. They have this really unique thing that they
do and when I heard about it when I met
with him. But by the way, I meet with every
person one on one before I bring them on the
show to learn about them what they do, so I
can make sure and I do my research. And when
I say, I was highly impressed because of there's practice
and their approach. They're about healing beneath the surface. They're

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into therapy and this is their words and honor your mind,
body and soul, and to me, when you're working on trauma,
that's what it's all about. So without further ado, let's
bring Julian on to the stage the chat about what
he does. Let's learn about his journey and what got
him to the type of trauma treatment that he does.

(07:41):
I know, I see him backstage. I want to bring
him on. There he goes, but we have to wait
for him to bring his Cameron. I'm sure he'll be
there in a second.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
There he is, Hi, Maya, thanks for having me.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Of course, we've been looking forward to this polar episode
because I obviously come across a lot of people in
private practice who have a history of trauma, and I
even will say to them at times, I feel the
type of work that you need at this point for
me in my career goes beyond what I can truly
do for you. And I make refer I refer out
to people that I feel that are like the trauma whisperers,

(08:19):
the ones who truly And I know that sounds like cliche, Julian,
but it's true. Everybody does not reach into a person's
inner soul and help them come out to be able
to truly heal. And I don't think as just a
regular therapist, which I'm not downplaying my role. I just
think I've passed people on to other people. So and
having you here hell was a bit what got you

(08:42):
to this point? I know you're from Detroit, so you're
you're our neighbor over to the east from Chicago, But
tell us how did you get into this? Tell us
your passion, your purpose, what led you down this path?

Speaker 5 (08:53):
Yeah? Yeah, trauma whispering huh yeah, that's uh, that's an
interesting it's an interesting paradox or situation. It's like the
Buddha said, it's because you suffer and it's because I
suffer that we can understand each other. So when I'm
working with people very frequently, almost universally, they tell me

(09:16):
pretty quickly, wow, I can really see myself in you,
and I can see that you really see what I'm
going through and my ability to really see what people
are going through and to understand what they're going through
and to make sense of it and to help them
navigate those spaces, or because well I came through it too. Yeah.

(09:39):
I mean, I'm happy to go into as much of
my origins as you'd like, but I mean to keep
it short. And I grew up in a very highly
traumatic area, very highly traumatic childhood. I was on my
own very early, and I was left with so much
pain because of it, and it was just unsustainable. I
wasn't gonna last too much longer with it. And so

(10:00):
I got to this point in my early twenties where
I said, that's enough, no more of this. I deserve
to know how to live without wanting my life to end.
And you know, I don't want to ask too much,
but I would like to be able to enjoy my
life as well, and so I really got on this
quest to try and figure out how to make that happen.

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And at one point I even moved to Chicago and
that's where I did most of my undergraduate where I
was studying clinical psychology and addiction psychology, really trying to
figure out addictions. Primarily you know, my family, my community,
everybody that I was around really struggling with addictions. I
wanted to figure it out, and I got to say,

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I just was not thrilled or satisfied with the answers
I was getting. At the university, they were a behavior
ast university, so they're looking at it as it's a
complex mechanism addictions. As you know, this interaction between genetics
and choice a disease model. So on the one hand,
you're making choices and you deserve to be punished, and

(11:05):
that's how you would justify treatment, or you're diseased and
you got the genes for it, and you're just a
sol you know, too bad. I didn't really like that.
That was so far removed from my own experiences. So
I found some incredible teachers through self study, and that's
what led me to find this path because we were
actually coming up with answers for what addictions are. And

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you can't look at addictions without looking at the pain
that's causing the addiction. So that's what really got me
into trauma. And once I really started studying trauma and
trying to figure out how to transform, and I said, Wow,
we got some real movement here, some real power here.
And of course that leads into psychedelic therapy and the
teachers that I worked with there, and that's how I
got to where I'm at now. I moved out to

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the West Coast because of the atmosphere of the political
and that sounds so strange saying that now because it's
changed so much since I've come out here. But their
ideas around psychedelic therapy was at the time cutting edge.
So that's why I came out here. But that's whe
i'm that now, and that's what I'm working with, and

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that's in short, how I got here, Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
And you know, they always say some of the best
people to work with are people who can truly understand,
because they may not, like I said, have walked that
same path, like there is no shared trauma. You may
have trauma experiences that you can maybe compare, but everybody's
experience is different, but I do think that people can
appreciate when they can hear that somebody else has struggled

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or they've hurt, and they can make that connection. So
I think that piece is key. One of the thing
that I like about your therapy is you're really about
the idea of drilling deep into people. And to me,
when you work on trauma, if you're not getting deep
into the surface. You know, there's that school thought that
says that trauma sits at the cellular level, and I

(12:55):
legitimately do believe that people hold their pain that deep
until some one understands that doing the surface work on
trauma doesn't work. And I like when it talks about
your self exploration is kind of how you term this
on your website. You talk about that beliefs you inherit
internalize about yourself and what you deserve. You really seems

(13:17):
like you start at To me, it seems like the
bottom and you work with people through it tell me
a bit about kind of how your approach goes. When
people decide they want to explore and go on this
journey with you.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
Yeah, one of the first things that I start to
do is I'm not really interested. We do make time
and we do talk about the things that happened, but
that's not what the trauma is. That's just the thing
that happened to you. The trauma is what happens inside
of you as a result to the thing that happened.

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So on a physical level, you get a concussion, you
get hit in the head. Getting a hit in the
head is what happened, and then the concussion is the
trauma that happens afterwards. So yeah, there's no shared trauma.
Everybody experiences situations differently, and on the other hand, there
are very familiar and consistent adaptations to trauma. The most

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common one is that we become disconnected from ourselves. So trauma,
again is what happens. Something happens to you, and it
can be bad things that happen that shouldn't happen, death
of a parent, illness, addictions, so on and so forth, incarceration,
physical abuse, mental sexual emotional abuse, all those things. But

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it can also be good things that are supposed to
happen that don't happen. So you might have very loving parents,
and you might have very caring parents who are invested
in your life and they cared so much about you
that they consulted the experts when you were a baby,
and the experts told them, don't hold your child when
they're crying. Let them learn to self soothe, let them
learn to regulate. And so this fundamental need that we

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had as babies for connections went unnoticed and all of
these emotions that are crying out trying to get the
connection get dampened. So when we're going through these these hardships,
these painful experiences, when it becomes traumatic is when we
don't have the resources to navigate it. So if we

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can't make the pain stop as a baby, if you can't,
you know, you're crying out and you can't get the
connection that you want and you can't go away physically
to make the pain stop. Every one of us has
this wonderful built in mechanism, survival mechanism where we go
away mentally, we disconnect from our emotions, we disconnect from

(15:39):
our feelings, and we check out and we go to
this mental world where we can actually disconnect from the
pain that we're in. That's the hallmark of trauma, right
there is this disconnection. So when I start working with people,
is I want to figure out immediately where they disconnected
at and what is their relationship there innerstate, their inner being.

(16:01):
What is the temperature, the climate like in their inner
experience that they're trying to disconnect from, so what is
their relationship to themselves? Once we start to figure those
two things out, that gives us so many things to
work with, so many areas where we can start to
build awareness of how we're disconnected and how we disconnect

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from ourselves through various adaptations like addictions. We can start
to feel uncomfortable, so we get sucked into our phone
and we scroll for an hour, and that gives us
the disconnect. Or we might use substances like alcohol or drugs,
or we might be invested into work or status and
power and wealth. How do these things serve us? What

(16:44):
are they providing for us? And can we meet those
on needs in more constructive ways. These are the things
that I really started looking at, I mean, within the
first fifteen minutes of working with somebody.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Wow, And that's a lot to unpack. And I feel
like what I hear resonating in your conversation is helping
people to understand the emotional patterns those are usually the
fallout of what the trauma has created. And you're right.
One of the things that in working with people in
trauma that frequently they will focus on is the event

(17:16):
itself and maybe loosely the emotion. It's always more about
the event the people that were involved in the event,
versus the real emotion that it keeps moving forward past
the event. So it's interesting that you talk about identifying
that pain and the disconnection, because I feel when people

(17:37):
do a lot of trauma work, those are things that
they don't tend to want to address. They want to
stay focused on the moment and not the outcome of
what has happened to them because of the moment.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
Precisely, it's a defense because in the moment of what
we experience, there's pain, and so then you can see
the defense mechanism the disconnecting from it. And we get
into the mental world and we start ruminating and dwelling
and going round and round and round in this mental
realm over here, telling the story over and over again,

(18:08):
and we have these intrusive memories that keep coming in,
kicking in, and we keep experiencing it over and over
and over again. We're experiencing it to allow us to
process it. But we have this defense that's right there,
and we keep getting stuck in the dwelling and ruminating
and telling the stories over and from what I experience
is it's like a snowball. It just keeps getting bigger

(18:28):
and bigger and bigger as it goes down the hill.
I don't know, maybe you see that too with the
clients you work with, is we just keep going around
and it's very difficult. It can be very challenging to
get through that defense.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
What's interesting in the people that I have worked with
in trauma and eventually that I will refer out, it
gets to the point where I feel like, you're right,
it's a snowball, But in the same context, it's like
a snowball that never stops. It's like we could have
a moment that feels like a breakthrough, like we've identified
some emotions we're working on self compassion and forgive and

(19:00):
all these things, and then just like that, they go
back to the memory and then the anger resurfaces. And
as we know, anger is just the emotion that masks
what's really under the surface. The frustration, the disappointment, the hurt,
the abandonment. That's what anger is. It isn't just doesn't
exist in the vacuum. But I find that people will
go back to the moment and all they work on.

(19:21):
The discovery of themselves does not seem to hold the
same value to them as that moment or especially and
this will be interesting if you tell me. In working
with trauma, let's say that's maybe family based, which is
a lot of times people will still have connections that
can be hard. So if it's family based, or let's

(19:44):
say it's in a romantic situation with a partner, or
it depends on what it is. How people can't seem
to break themselves away from the experience to be able
to move forward and to heal, not grow, because you
can't grow into your heal.

Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The trauma almost always takes root
early in our lives. If we grow up in a
very nurturing, tuned, connected environment where our needs are met,
where we have secure, safe attachments, where we are valued

(20:20):
and accepted exactly as we are, we don't have to
work to maintain the relationships. There's nothing that we can
do that would ruin the relationship. When we experience hardship,
it's not traumatic because we have all the resources that
we need to go through those painful areas in other
words and other On the other hand, when we don't

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have those things in our relationship is dependent on us
being cute or agreeable, or compliance or suppressing our emotions
to maintain our relationships. That's what we do, is we
learn to disconnect from our emotions. So the trauma almost
always I've never seen an example where it does not
form early in life for those exact reasons. So it's

(21:04):
like a river, and this river has been flowing. This
pattern has been deeply entrenched in us from the beginning,
during the time when our bodies were developing, when our
nervous system was developing, when our emotional circuits are developing,
when our worldview and the way that we process information
is all developing. It's developing in relationship to this trauma

(21:28):
and the way that we're adapting to it. And one
of the most common ways that we adapt to that
trauma is what I was just talking about a moment ago.
We have these two fundamental needs attachment secure attachment. As children,
we can't survive without it. We're dependent. We are immature
and undeveloped for the longest amount of time than any
other species in this world. We can't survive without our attachments.

(21:52):
And then we also have the need to feel our
emotions the whole range of emotional spectrum, and to be
able to express it and to communicate and to be
present and attuned with it and have other people be
attuned with it. But if those two things are in conflict,
If when I get angry, I get put in a

(22:13):
time out and my parents say, you go to your
room until you can learn to regulate and suppress your
emotions and then you can come back. In other words,
they're going to threaten me with the attachment thing that's
most important to me. I learn that one of these
two has to go. And so it's almost always the authenticity,
the expression, the feeling of the emotion. This is that

(22:34):
disconnect that I was talking about. That's what we sacrifice
to maintain our attachments. So then we become people pleasers,
We go out of our way to make people happy,
we become agreeable. We make ourselves small, and we do
everything we can to maintain our attachments because that's what
we learn very early in life. Or we go the
other way, and we make ourselves big and grandiose, and

(22:56):
we go out in the world and we accumulate all
the status and all the wealth and all the power
and prestige and the respect, and we go and we
get those other people before they can get us. And
if we do that, if we become grandiose enough, when
we attack enough people before they can attack us, well
we get to become the president of the United States,
we get to rise to the highest powers of corporate

(23:16):
and political powers in this society, and we're glorified for it.
So when we see these people who are struggling with
these deeply entrenched patterns and they can't quite get out
of it, and they might have to break through, and
then they go right back into it. That river's flowing
so deeply and the energy the water flows through it

(23:38):
so quickly and so easily, and it takes a great
deal of effort and persistence and patience to constantly channel
that water to somewhere else. And so when I'm talking
about agency, choice, responsibility, and liberation, that's exactly what we're
talking about. Is being aware of this pattern, being aware
of where it developed, being aware of how it shows

(23:59):
up in our lives, and constantly taking responsibility for it
and saying I'm going to choose something different, and luckily
we've got lots of tools to help people do that.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
That is good to hear because that agency piece you
talk about is probably one of the biggest struggles. I
feel that a person can have that breakthrough, but they
will always seem to robert back to this need for
validation or affirmation from someone, especially if it's about those
attachment pieces. I always say that family dynamics are probably

(24:32):
the most complicated ones to work with people because of
that very fact attachment, the need to feel loved and accepted.
I mean, we want that from our family, So whenever
there's a rift, it's often hard for people to navigate that.
And I always say, you know the hardest part about
truly healing is you have to make the decision that
you are choosing you. You are going to put yourself first,

(24:54):
and if you've grown accustomed to being a people pleaser,
it's really hard for people to that cycle and say
I am worthy of love, I am good enough. Every
human makes a mistake, Every human is going to make
a bad choice that we are those are only moments
that are meant to help you grow. So how do
you how can you work with someone who I would

(25:16):
say self worth is so important. It's entirely different than
self esteem, and people have to learn the difference between
the two. But when you have a person who is
so deeply wounded and their self worth is so low,
how do you begin to kind of help them to
be able to see themselves? Because I always say to people,
even if it's with addiction, who you are in the

(25:36):
midst of addiction or whatever the case may be, that's
not who you are. You have to be able to
step back and see yourself in the totality of you
are a full person. That might make a lioking, you
may do something that you're not proud of, but that
does not define you. How do you help people begin
to understand the idea of authenticity in defining themselves outside

(25:57):
of maybe what they've come accustomed to thinking is the norm.

Speaker 5 (26:02):
Yeah, yeah, this is you know, you're really getting straight
to it. There sorr what's that? I didn't mean it
to it, but you know no, yeah, it's great, Yeah,
very good. This, this belief of unworthiness is it's one
of the most important pieces of this puzzle. And I

(26:24):
start from the from the core belief myself. My practice
is based on the fundamental premise that every single person
has the wisdom that knows how to heal, the ability
to be whole and to reconnect with all of that
wisdom and to be authentically you. It's still inside of you.

(26:46):
So when somebody is in when they're when they're healing
an addiction, we oftentimes say that they're in recovery. And
the word recover means that you find something that you've lost.
So what is it that somebody recovers that they find
that they've lost when they're healing in addiction, Well, it's
their self, it's the wisdom, the wholeness that's inside of them.
It's who they were before all the pain happened, and

(27:09):
that's what we're trying to recover. That's what we're trying
to get to. So this belief of unworthiness that we're
talking about, I'm not good enough, I'm not deserving, I'm
not capable of being loved, this is an adaptation to
trauma in itself, and it's another form of that disconnection.
So again we go back to the early years, early childhood.

(27:31):
Bad things are happening that shouldn't or the good things
that are supposed to happen. They're not happening. How do
I make sense of that as a child. There's really
only two ways that I can look at it. I
can say, first, my caregivers, my family, my loved ones,
my teachers, whoever is there who's taking care of me.
They're not up to the job. They're not qualified, they're

(27:53):
not capable, they're not willing whatever it is, they're not
doing it. In other words, I'm not safe. So basically
I'm screwed. Well, there's not a lot of room to
engage with that and to get through it. It's not
exactly hopeful. So that's where the second view comes in,
which is my family, my parents, my caregivers, my teachers, whoever.

(28:19):
They do know what's going on. They got an idea,
they're older, they have relationships, they are surviving in the world,
they have resources, they know what's going on. The problem is,
I'm not worthy of getting the things that I need.
So if I could be worthy, if I could be
good enough, if I could do the things that I need,

(28:40):
then I will get the love and the care and
the connection and the attachment and all the things that
I need that I'm not getting. So now we can
see I become a people pleaser, or I go out
and I try and do all the things that I
need to do. In other words, we could ask, Yes,
we can look at and say I want my family
to value me in respect, But who's the real person

(29:03):
who doesn't value love or respect me. Well, it's myself
because I have a belief that I'm not lovable, or
I'm unworthy, or I'm not deserving. And again that's the adaptation.
It saved me in the short term. It gave me
a sense of hope, It gave me a path to
get through a very difficult time. It really helps me

(29:24):
in the short term, which is what an addiction is.
An addiction provides short term relief, so we can't let
go of it. We keep coming back to it, and
it caused long term consequences, and despite those long term consequences,
we can't give it up because it's providing something for us.
So here, this belief of unworthiness is providing something for us.
It's helping us back in the past. And what we

(29:47):
need to learn how to do is to cultivate that
self compassion, to learn how to not want somebody to
come and give me the things that I'm looking for
because if I'm always looking for somebody to come and
save me, to come and give me the love or
the acceptance that I need, that means that I'm a victim.
And if I'm a victim, I don't have any power.

(30:07):
I'm powerless, I'm hopeless, I'm always weighted. I'm at the
whim of somebody else. But if I can learn to
cultivate that love and that respect and that connection that
I was really looking for that I didn't get at
that point in my life, if I can learn to
cultivate that and give it to myself, well now why
I become very powerful. And now I'm not dependent on

(30:28):
what my family does or their behaviors. And sure they
can do things that are very hurtful, but I can
set boundaries and I can say I'm not going to
be treated that way because I don't deserve to be
treated that way. And if I'm going to be treated
that way, then I can cultivate space or what I
can do whatever I need to do to take care
of myself. So the way that we start to look
at this belief is one the belief of unworthiness, is

(30:51):
we look at where does it come from? What purpose
does it serve what needs are underneath this belief, and
rather than trying to be really harsh and critical of
ourselves and judging and evaluating ourselves, which is that same
familiar pattern, let's try to be a little bit kinder
and we can look at this belief, this pattern as

(31:11):
my teacher, one of my teachers calls it, the stupid friend.
It's the friend that that's always there, super loyal, been
with you since the beginning. You can call them anytime
and they're right there. Most times you have to call
them because they already know what's going on and they're
ready to help you out. And they're danger prone, right,
you don't want them driving the car because when they
get involved, things go wrong. So this belief, it's that

(31:34):
stupid friend. They care, they're so compassionate, they're so loyal,
they're dedicated, and you don't want them taking the keys
and getting behind the wheel when you're in the car.
So what we try to do is we try to
be kind to ourselves and we look at, well, when
this belief originated, what were the things that I needed?
And usually it's very consistent, because I mean there's fundamental

(31:54):
human needs. I needed somebody to be with me. I
needed somebody to see me. I needed somebody to listen
and try and understand me. Needed some validation, some affirmation
saying of course, yeah, of course you feel these things.
Of Course you're angry. Who wouldn't be angry in this situation.
Of Course you're sad. Of course you're scared. Of course
you're ashamed. That all has reason and purpose. That's there.

(32:15):
I need to see those emotions and be with them,
and I need to try to accept them and then
offer some comfort and some care to those and to
do so consistently. And if I can start to do
those things, when this belief kicks in, and when all
these emotions and this pattern gets activated, I recognize it's there,
and I make the choice. I'm going to start to
nurture myself in these ways, with the things that I

(32:37):
really needed. Then I'm not so dependent on other people.
And this is where I can really start to liberate
myself from needing those types of relationships. Because when we're older,
we almost always will look for people to give us
the love and the connection the compassion that we didn't get,
and because we learned that love and compassion looks like

(32:59):
this from our parents and the ways that we don't
get it is we look for people who can't give
it to us, so we keep finding ourselves in those
exact same patterns. But if I can start to give
it to myself and I can start to build the
capacity to do those things myself and I practice it daily,
then my dependence on getting it from other people, especially

(33:20):
people who can't give it to me falls off.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
And that's the piece right there I think people struggle
with when it comes to just healing in general, is
the healing comes from within from the outside. Yeah, a
lot of people when they're trying to heal, they're looking
for someone from the outside to save them, to be
the person that changes the tide. And when you say
to them, I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

(33:47):
You are the change agent. You are the person that's
going to make this happen. It does not mean that
you won't have support and people who are supportive and
all those things, but the real change begins with you,
and it starts with forgiveness. And forgiveness is something I
find across the board for people. But one of the
things that when I work with people, I'll say is,

(34:07):
you know, one of the hardest things to accept, but
it does become an eye opening moment is when you
realize that often, like if you talk about parents, what
of the case may be is people only love you
the way they know how, and the problem with that
often can be it may not be what you need,
and at a time they may not know that, they
may assume that what they're doing is okay, because let's
be honest, there's no feedback, especially if you're a child, right,

(34:29):
there's no feedback. You go with what you're given. And
the minute you step back and look at the entirety
of the picture the forest for the trees thing and say,
you know, I might have to be forgiving for the
fact that I didn't get this even and everybody walks
that moment. I had to have the aha moment at
fifty three. Literally at fifty three, it dawned on me

(34:50):
that my parents were not exactly the parents that I wanted. Well,
I didn't realize I had like pretty much like young parents.
They were like nineteen and twenty, but I I never
saw them in that way because I grew up still
getting things I needed and I was taken care of,
and I never looked at their age but when I
sat down and had independent conversations with them, I was like,

(35:11):
oh my god, you were only twenty. I'm gonna have
to forgive you for some of your decision making because
you were probably listening to other people telling you what
to do. You had never been a parent before. And
that's where the forgiveness came for me. So I say,
sometimes you have to look at people's circumstances and if
the best they had to give wasn't enough, it just
wasn't enough. But here's the thing. As an adult, you

(35:33):
become the architect of your present and your future. You
don't have to carry those values forward with you, are
those morals forward with you anymore. You get to be
anything that you want to be, starting right now. So
the choice of yours, what are you going to do
with it? And that, for some reason, for some people
they step back and go, that's a really it's a
scary proposition, isn't it that you now are the decision maker,

(35:56):
not somebody else.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
Yeah, well, congratulations on having that aha moment there. That's
very important. Yeah, I mean we don't we don't need
to judge it, right, I mean, you you had the moment,
So that's that's amazing. Yeah, my parents were around the
same age too. And you know, when we're hurt, when

(36:19):
when we have this pain that we're carrying around, anger
comes up. And anger is an emotion that likes to blame.
It likes to say, well, I'm feeling this way and
it's your fault and blame. It's not exactly conducive to
any of the outcomes that we're looking for because this
pain that we're talking about, it flows through the generations.

(36:42):
Our parents carry that exact same pain. If they're loving
us in the capacity that they know how to love us,
that means that somebody taught them these exact same patterns.
That means that the exact same needs that we have
that went on met when I met for them as well.
And so so they do the best they can, They
do everything that they can, They try their hardest. We

(37:04):
can take that for granted. We are biologically programmed to
care for our young, so we can take it for
granted that they tried their best, and their best could
have been a whole lot better. But blaming them doesn't
exactly help us because that exact same pain and those
patterns are inside of us. So if we blame them. Again,
we're one making ourselves a victim, but then two we're

(37:24):
blaming ourselves. We're evaluating and judging, criticizing, and punishing ourselves
for those exact same things. These patterns, we can't even
find the origin of them. Our parents had them, their
parents had them, their parents had them. It's inner generational trauma.
It just flows through the generations and it comes to us.
And yeah, this is where we can start to take
some responsibility and say, Wow, these were people who were

(37:47):
in terrible pain themselves and that pain flows through them,
and this is where I'm going to start to take
responsibility for it. I'm going to start to do something
with it, and I'm not going to let it flow
through me onto other people.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
And that's the piece that I think is it's so
important is when you have that moment, like your own
aha moment, that you know something and a lot of
the it is tuitional trauma, yes, looking forward or someone
thinks that's the way you're supposed to do things, and
it's not necessarily right. So it's good when people have
that moment and they can get to the point of

(38:23):
forgiveness with others, but more importantly themselves. We're all bound
to make mistakes, and I love when people can find
their voice. Yeah, and when you find your voice, that
comes the path to ting back the power that you
often willingly gave up and didn't even know that you did.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah, it's not exactly a choice or willing. I mean,
it's more like it's the adaptation. It's usually the only
thing that we have that's available to us. And recultivating
our power and using our voice and tapping it, recultivating
and connecting with our authenticity is very scary. It's going
to feel so threatening when we do that, because if

(39:03):
we would have done that when we were younger, it
would have caused terrible consequences. If we would have expressed
our emotions, we would have been told, well, if you're
going to be angry, i'll give you something to be
mad about, or if you're going to be sad, i'll
give you something to cry about. Or you know, so
many things would have happened. So I think everybody can
kind of relate with, oh, yeah, I've had to suppress

(39:24):
my emotions and bad things would have happened. So when
I start to express my boundaries and I start to
communicate my emotions and I say, Maya, what you just
said really hurt me, and I don't like that. It's
so painful. Now, what I'm tapping into is what one
of my teachers calls the compassion of truth, which means

(39:46):
that as I start to reclaim my authenticity, I start
to tap into my expression, I start to reclaim my power,
my empowerment to take care of myself. Is the relationships
that have been based on and in many cases have
benefited from my lack of boundaries or my lack of expression.

(40:07):
Those relationships are going to become very stressed and very challenged,
and I'm going to have to make a lot of
choices on what I do with that, and ideally the
people around me can respect that and grow with me.
But that's not always the case. So a lot of
the times when we start to look at these patterns
that we have and these adaptations, whether it's through the

(40:30):
expression of boundaries, the expression of our emotions, or just
starting to come to the acceptance of what has happened,
the first thing is there's usually a lot of pain
that's underneath it. And this pain is quite contrary to
the pattern of the adaptation that we have that gives
a short term relief, but long term harm. This compassion

(40:55):
of truth. When we start to look at these these
dynamics and we start to face this pain and we
start to face these patterns, it has short term pain
that can be fairly intense, and it's something that we
usually really want to avoid. But when we can really
go into it and engage with it and start to
process and soothe it is it's intense, and it's a

(41:16):
short term pain. Is it passes, and it usually passes
very quickly, and there's long term relief, long term joy,
long term expansion, long term piece that we start to
find from that. So the pattern reverses. Instead of having
the short term relief and long term harm, now we
have the short term discomfort. Yes, my relationships might be challenged.

(41:40):
Yes I might feel this incredible sense of threat and
panic and danger when I start to express myself, and
that is a short term pain. It might be very intense,
but it will lead to long term relief.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
There you go. So I know people are watching and
they're going to say, Okay, I'm mentioned in this like
this is probably something that I could use to help
me to maybe unpack my my trauma that I'll be honest.
People were like, I've been in therapy for fifteen years. Huh, okay,
what have we not? I'm honest, like, what have we
not gotten to here? Not with me necessarily, but when
people have told me they've been in therapy for years,

(42:17):
but yet they're still holding deeply onto this trauma or
this pain, I'm like, mind, you you get the therapy
at different junctures in life, You work with different people,
you know, So I get it. But I was like,
but it's really time to be honest with yourself, to
unpack this so that you can live the life you want.
So probably saying well, this sounds like I want to
do this, but one he mentioned, he's like, not, he's

(42:40):
not around here locally. So one, how could I get involved?
How can I make this happen for me? Because there's
usually a very structured system, you know, with health care,
you know how that works. So there are people who
would probably totally want to explore this, but they're like,
not sure ither you can or what should they do
if they want to get in contact with you and
pursue this.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned a really important piece too there,
which is I work with people all the time I've
been therapy for fifteen, twenty thirty forty years and I've
had no relief. And then five ten minutes into the
first call with me, they're like, whoa hold on, I've
never gotten to this before. So many therapists just don't
have the tools and the resources, and they're trained in
ways that just reperpetuate and keep those patterns going. For

(43:22):
lots of reasons, we don't need to get into it.
I think everybody kind of has an idea of that already.
So yeah, working with the right people is very important
if you want to reach out and you want some
support from me. My website's great. I work with people
remotely all the time. That's the main thing right there.
So we can do video chats just like this. It

(43:42):
doesn't matter where you're at, we can reach you. I
do hour and a half sessions. We go by the sessions.
You can try one out with me for next to
no commitment. You try out the first hour and a
half session if it's not for you for whatever reason.
I don't charge because I don't want people to be
financially out legated for these things. I don't want them
to say, oh, I'm already invested in it now, I

(44:03):
might as well keep going with it, and yeah, come
and see what it's like. And we're starting up some
support groups as well, doing live events on the third
Friday of every month, so you can log in and
we'll do something very similar to this right here. Ask questions,
see what you want to come and talk about, and
we'll address it. And actually I got to connect through

(44:24):
you with Tamar, who you talked about beforehand, and she
has a wonderful platform there. So I'm starting up a
couple groups on there as well, and those will be
on alternating Fridays as well. So all the informations on
my website and if anybody's interested, we're putting lots of
resources to reach more people out there.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
And I noticed that, I, like I said, I did
my research and I notice, you know, kind of you're
out there from a social media standpoints. I noticed. But
what was nice is when I saw your Instagram and
even YouTube, You've got some videos and things out there,
you know, in real So if people kind of want
to get a feel here, listen, you know, I'm saying,
they can do the lead work and kind of see
the stuff you're talking about. And again and to be like, Okay,

(45:02):
I've never heard it from this perspective. I've never heard
someone talk to me like this, and you know, the
whole thing. Like, one of the things for me that
started to shift in my practice is not I will
never tell anybody I'm a Buddhist because I don't think
I've earned the right to say that. I'm not consistent enough.
But I love the practice of Buddhism as a philosophy

(45:22):
that has so much depth to it, that can be
so explored. And I think when people open their minds
to different things, and that's why I want them to
open their mind You could have been in therapy for
ten or fifteen years. I guarantee you, Julian, you're going
to say something to them they've never heard before that
is just that light bulb moment and it's okay. Maybe
that fifteen years got them to this point to be

(45:44):
able to hear, because it's a journey. I mean, no
one is. I always say to people, if it took
you fifty years to get to this point and feel broken,
we don't fix it in six months to a year.
It was a lifetime that brought you to your knees
to help you stick back up. It doesn't happen overnight,
And I think patience is a big part of therapy
in healing, that people need to understand it doesn't happen overnight.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I see people make quick transformations where they
can start to build a practice that will allow them
to change the way that they're living their lives, and
that can happen very quickly, and they can make tremendous
gains very quickly. And then we spend a lot of
our life, the rest of our life trying to continually

(46:28):
nurture and develop and mature this practice. And whether we
call ourselves Buddhists or not. I mean tikknat Han, the
world renowned famous Buddhist, he calls himself a part time
Buddhist because it's an art of recovering the practice and
then forgetting it again. And there's lots of times where
we don't do it, and we don't need to judge

(46:49):
ourselves for that. We just keep doing the best that
we can. So yeah, I see people make very quick transformations.
And there's no magic pedals, there's no magic bullets. We
have to we empower ourselves to make the changes. And
we're the ones that have to do it. I mean,
there's a great title of a book from Richard Schwartz.
You can read the book, it's great, but the title

(47:11):
is right around what we're talking about here. It's called
You're the one you've been looking for. We're the ones
who come and save ourselves.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
And that piece right there. I think I spent more
time saying that to people in therapy, like no one's
coming to save you with you, which is a good
place to be to start the whole process. Like I
love when people talk about mindfulness, though I do feel
like it's unfortunately, like just one of those words that's
thrown around too loosely. I was like, you're not doing
it every day, You're not being mindful because change is

(47:40):
predicated on the behavior. It's about discipline and consistency, and
if you want in your life, then those are things
you have to do. Rather it's I'm working on my
mental health. I want to lose weight, I want to
lower you know, my A one C. Whatever it is,
it's about discipline and consistency, and that equal applies when

(48:00):
it comes to your mental health. If you're only going
to apply the work when you feel like you're in crisis,
or struggling, then you're doing yourself a disservice, is what
I tell people. You want to do the work when
you feel like you're in a better space, so you
can have greater clarity and you can continue to build
along the way.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
That's right, Any.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
Nuggets, anything that we didn't talk about before we let
you go. This has been amazing and fantastic. I've enjoyed it.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we're talking about these deeply entrenched
patterns and how quickly the energy the water flows through it,
and you know, yeah, we're out here channeling, you know,
with a spade shovel, trying to create new trenches for
energy to flow, and we have lots of incredible tools
that can really help to make new patterns very quickly.

(48:49):
One of the most common things in the psychedelic literature
is that psychedelic experiences create neural plasticity, meaning that they
grow new neural connections very quickly. So when we start
to pair this work that we're doing right here with
these types of psychedelic experiences, is we really have the
ability to increase our awareness very quickly and to write

(49:11):
new patterns very quickly. And these are wonderful ways to
help soften all those defenses and to take that conditioned mind,
that way of processing information, those perspectives, those worldviews about ourselves,
about the world, about others, and we can start to
set those down and experience and create something new. And

(49:32):
we can do that very quickly. Of course, we will
have to continue the practice and develop and mature it
over time, but through this approach and with these with
these tools and resources, we have the ability to yes,
make significant changes very quickly, and I see it happen
very frequently, very nice.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Well, here's the thing I'd like to put the call
of action to everybody out there. If you're strung, that's
Tama base. If you know someone, I always say, just
because you heard this today doesn't mean it's for you.
It might be for somebody else that you know that
is struggling that could use something else to help them
kind of get through this journey that they're struggling and
they feel they're walking alone. So even if this is

(50:11):
not for you, please pass this information on to someone
else so that they may be able to step forward
and get the help they need. Or you know, because
you have to challenge yourself in this, because if you
really want to get better. It's about courage, but it's
also about challenge, and I know that's the one piece
that can be hard and very fearful is the idea
of the unknown. Where do I go from here? Am

(50:33):
I going to be okay and want people when you
kind of sit down and have therapy with them. I
will tell people, you're gonna have moments when you're not okay.
It's gonna hurt. We're gonna have to feel the pain
in order to be able to heal. There is no
help to be able to get to where we want
to go. So I need I need you to be
open to the idea of you're gonna have to say

(50:55):
some things and even here's here's the big part. There
might be some you might have to be accountable for.
People struggle with that. You know, it's it's it's interesting.
So as you're unpacking these things, we understand, Okay, this
part is here, but what about this part right here?
So it's going to be it'll be interesting. I definitely

(51:17):
help people reach out as people know at this point,
I didn't do my whole house, but I normally do
when I start the show, because I wanted to get
right to you I want to spend all this time
talking to you. I'm like, I'll get to my housekeeping
stuff at the end and people will know where to
find me. But beyond that, I like the fact that
you're willing to do consultations with people. It's kind of
like no risk, it's like taking so write that within itself,

(51:39):
you have the opportunity to speak to someone and there's
no risk for you to even do it and to say, Okay,
I feel like this is something I want to explore
doing the support groups, which means now you can reach
even more people. This is fantastic. So I'm glad to
hear that you're going to be expanding and even using
mental happy that's nice.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, thank you for all those connections here. I really
appreciate that. And yeah, and I'm free free consultations, and
like I said, you do that. We can do the
hour and a half session after that too, And if
you don't like it for whatever reason, if it's not
for you, then there's no charge.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Okay, I'm saying this again. It doesn't get better than
that somebody has given you an open invitation to start
the journey and not over commit. Just to make sure
you feel okay about it. You can't be that, So
I would encourage everybody that's a call to action try
it out. This is about your happiness and your future.
And if you don't want your eyes you know, your
present is exactly what it is until you decide the

(52:31):
past and let your future exists. So here's an opportunity
for people to really if you've struggled to let something go,
here's a chance to try something new and see what happens. So, Julian,
thank you for coming on. Maya. I appreciate it. I
do anticipate somehow you're going to hear from people. I
have this sinking suspicion I might push it more.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
But yes, thank you. I really appreciate your support here.
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (52:58):
You're going to be so busy you might call me say, Miya,
can you please stop sending people?

Speaker 5 (53:02):
Yeah, yeah, that would be a blessing. I would appreciate that,
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I'd love the there you called me, you'd say no
more people, Maya, all right, well, thank you, and uh,
you know, somewhere down the road would love to have
you on again and talk about something else. Who knows,
there's always space here on Maya to bring in saying
conversations with people and you know, anything you ever want
to share. Would love to have you back on the
show again.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Wonderful. Yes, let's please stay connected, all right?

Speaker 4 (53:28):
Are he and Julian? Thank you? Someonech well everybody. That
was Julian Bermudez, who is a teacher, guide and founder
of Trauma Healing in Psychedelic Integration.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I love this.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Outside the box, I really do. As he said, you
can go to their website right here on the screen,
it's Psychedelic Dash Integration Dot but everything there so if
you want to learn research I always tell people research
and learn, you can go there. You can also get
social with Julian as well because they have an Instagram
and YouTube and a lot of his videos and things
are on there, so you can see these talking about

(54:01):
it's all good stuff. I love the fact now that
he's actually doing they'll be doing support groups because now
it's one thing I feel about support groups is that
some people love them, some people hate them. But the
thing that I've noticed is that when people can sit
in that circle with people and understand they don't stand
alone in how they feel, it somehow makes them. It's
liberating to them like wow, and they sometimes know it,

(54:24):
but to hear someone else say I get that. I
feel that pain too. I often feel small that way.
It seems to be able to help people build themselves out,
because there's something about human connection that you can never
ever say. Does it matter? When you feel connected to people,
you tend to thrive and part of life. I don't
want people who watch Maya just to be in survival mode.

(54:45):
I want you to grow and I want you to
thrive because you have your whole life ahead of you. Now,
with that being said, I am super excited. You have
to tune in. We are off next week, so a
couple of these episodes are going to reaar next Saturday
that you might have missed with Tamar and Julian Molle air.
But then on August twenty third Central Standard time, we're
gonna have on our next guest Thomas Lagrave Junior. And

(55:11):
I am super excited about this because legitimately, this to
me is everything really kind of full circle. He is
a former Corsman and the US Navy Seal. He is
an author. He is a licensed clinical social worker. His
current book, which is Special Welfare Social Warfare, is about

(55:34):
systematic injustice, poverty, and social neglect, and the thing that
Thomas is talking about. He really focused on younger people.
And when I talk to him, I love the fact
that he flat out said, you know, Maya, here's the thing.
He has dedicated almost all of his life. So actually,
at one point focusing on young men. He had something
called the Honorban Academy that he ran for like years

(55:57):
that brought in young men and helped them with their
psychological and emotional development. And they stayed at this location
that was in California. So, oh my, I think it was.
And he eventually said he did heay my message broaders.
He sort of became an author and wrote books. But
he flat out said to me, Maya, we are failing
our young people. We are not giving them the tools
that they need to be successful. That's why I love

(56:18):
when I have my younger individuals and therapy people in
their under thirties, because they realized I struggled with something.
And I say, I am happy that you're here because
the demons that maybe your parents battle probably still battling.
You are here to slay them and to live a
life that is worthy of you. And you don't have
to carry forward all of these generational narratives, morals and

(56:39):
values that may not align with who you are. So
when he said it, I kind of giggled. I said,
you know, Thomas, I tend to find that my least
group I don't like working with most of the time
are adolescents. Kid's yet like me, which I think is funny,
like oh mayaike freely, But I end up enjoying working
with him for some bizarre reason. But when he said that,

(57:00):
I'm like, I can't wait to have them on. And
if you're a young person, if you have a young
adult in college or just someone between twenty to thirty,
you need to tell them to tune in because he's
going to share some things, especially about young men. I
feel men are always overlooked, especially when it comes to
mental health. They have the highest rate of suicide, they
all struggle with depression. Pass them over and tell them

(57:21):
to suck it up and not have emotions. When you
hear Thomas Lagreve Juniors story, I think you will be
so motivated and you'll love the ambition shows even more.
So make sure you tune in for our next guest.
So with that being said, remember if you've missed any
episode of Maya, you can find it in the iTunes store,
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(57:44):
just search Maya my ambition or ambition. Of course, you
can always just find everything Maya on my website, which
is Wwmaya, dash speaks dot com. It's all things Maya.
You can click on the podcast and click on the
podcast links and we'll take you podcast platform you prefer.
I also have two things on that that I really
am proud of. I do have the inspirational blog that's

(58:07):
on there. I only post one thing away week about
inspiration because some people do. I thought, I want you
for the whole week and really think about it and
internalize it. So I give you one inspiration for the
week that I really want you to deconstruct and process.
And then I have the medium pause, which is the
Maya Menopause Blog, and I tackle all kinds of topics
that are RATD to perimenopause and menopause. The last post

(58:31):
was actually about ADHD a menopause. A lot of women
don't even get there's a connection and how menopause can
be so disruptive for women when they have ADHD. So
that's the current post. Something is coming up for Monday
s they'll be a new post, so make sure you
check out those blogs. They are totally filled with information.
All right, everybody, Well, thank you for listening to this episode.

(58:52):
The Ambition Show was a great show. Thank you to
Julian for coming on. You know, the whole purpose of
this podcast is to help you identify your ambition and
harness a motivation, help you to acquire success. You are
stee its about vibe and you share my UA YouTube

(59:12):
and if you happen to be a grammar or you
like X, you can find me at Maya Underscore a High.
That's ak Ai if you're a social media person. So
that's it for this episode. I will see everybody in
two weeks. But remember next week I'm gonna re air
a bunch of stuff that's already been broadcast so you
can catch up. So when we get back on air
on the twenty third, you will be set and actually

(59:35):
ready to go. All right, everybody, that's it for this time.
But wait, wait before I go, I have someone special.
Shees I know it. I'm watching her backstage. She was
hoping I wasn't gonna do it I have to bring
on to this stage. My associate producer Riley. She I
was watching her in the background. She's like, OK, yeah, yeah, yeah,
she's gonna go. Hi, Riley, you're muted turn off, so

(59:57):
everybody can. Riley is my love. Yes, so tell a
little bit about you coming on board, what you'll be
doing with Maya.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
All right, Hi, I'm Riley. I'm just here for like
all the behind the scenes. I do all the little
banners that you see, and I just pushed the right
button at the right time, and if I don't, I
try my best. So yeah, that's all I'm really here for.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Yeah, don't worry, She'll be doing more. She's actually highly creative.
She could do tendency to the program. So when I
start saying old people stuff, she can tell me I'm
saying old people stuff and be like, Maya, come come
forward with us younger people, which I enjoy because I
do feel about conversation. Everybody needs to be involved. So

(01:00:48):
happy to have Riley on board. You will be seeing
more of her, so thank you, Riley. Yes, all right, everybody.
Well that's it for this episode. I will see you
in two weeks, but make sure you tune in next
week for this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Score.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
It's gonna be a love catching up and you'll have
time to do it. All right, anybody that's it this time,
chill see you in two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Whether you're on the go or listening on your cell phone,
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So the respect, I believe this is going to be
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Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Just search my my ambition, your ambition, and get ready
to be inspired and motivated to harness your ambition.