Episode#70: The Ambition Show Feat. Thomas LaGrave Jr., Former Corp. US Navy SEAL, Author & LCSW

This episode, our guest is focused on the psychological and social challengs facing today's young adults. Thomas LaGrave Jr, is man of many talents and has leveraged his life experiences into helping others be the change they want to see in their lives and the world. Thomas is a retired Corpsmen of the Navy Seals, A Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) and Author. Thomas' passion and purpose led him to create Honor Bound Academy, which was a year-long immersive program that was dedicated to the education, healing, and mentorship of adolescent men. Thomas spent over 35 years working with more than 3,000 young men, specializing in the psychological and developmental challenges of adolescence and the transition to adulthood. Thomas has expanded his desire to help others by authoring several books, his latest Special Welfare, Social Warefare, dives deep into the complex struggles facing today’s youth.

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Now I'm mis Stay everyone, Welcome to episode seventy of
Maya My Ambition, your ambition. But hopefully by now what
you have tapped into is we're doing something a little
different on these saturdays for the show I have launched.
This is going week three of the Ambition Show, where
I feature people that I feel you need to know
because they are doing exceptional things that move beyond themselves.

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Are very altruistic, but they are a prime example of
when passion meets purpose and it's driven by ambition. And
our guest today, like our other two, is no short
than amazing Thomas Lagrave Junior, who is a former you know,
cortsman in the US Navy Seals. He's an author some
very good books, by the way, and a social worker.
But before we jump into that, you know, I always
have to do my housekeeping things. As you know, I

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like to make sure if you're new to the show,
you understand that what we do here at Maya is
we look to embrace salient topics about mental wellness. I
often refer to it as mental wellness versus mental health,
because I feel that there is you progress from your
wellness health to illness, and I see it a little
differently maybe then some people do. And words can be
very interchangeable. So I like to take the idea of

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mental wellness and give it a fresh and forward thinking
perspective and a podcast we're going to focus on pulling
back that veil of self doubt and sabotage that, let's
be honest, so many of us plague ourselves with in
our lives. I want you to harness the idea of
ambition and motivation so that you can have the satisfaction
and success you want in your daily lives. I want

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people to think about happiness and satisfaction on a daily basis,
not like this huge and future thinking, because we often
are groom to believe that our lives should always be
future thinking. That's why so many of us, let's be honest,
struggle to be present. So if you are a first
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the Maya Toolbox. And even though these are the Ambition Shows,
I want to say this, the toolbox with the Maya
Show is I'm always giving you something that you should
use talking about self awareness, self worth. So our key
thing in our toolbox is you should know by now
if you're a returning listener, is you should make sure
that you have your emotional intelligence out because it is

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a thing that will help you to grow. Because remember,
emotional intelligence is not about just understanding your emotions. It's
also about understanding the emotions around you. So make sure
as we start the show, because I'm going to tell
you something, our next guest is going to drop some nuggets.
I need to make sure you have your emotional intelligence
out front and center to really process a lot of

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the things that we're going to talk about. So as
I talk about the Ambition Shows, and this is actually
the third installment of it, which makes me so proud
that I've been consistent and had amazing guests. And as
I told you, the guests only get better as we
move along. So this is week three. Week one we
had Tamar Blue was on the stage with us. She
is the CEO of Mental Happy, which is actually a

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mental health support group. So if you've ever been looking
for a support group or want to create a support group,
you should probably check out Mental Happy because it has
amazing tools and especially if you want to create a
support group, it's Hippo compliant. It gives you so many
tools to reach so many people within your community and
even around the world. Last week we had on Julian Bermudez,

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who is the founder of Psychedelic Integration and it's all
about trauma therapy and it's so amazing, holistic and true
how he works with his client. So we are now
into week three and we have Thomas Lagreve Junior who's
coming on, and I'm so excited about having him on
as a guest because I think often what is missed

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by so many people, and you hear it often about
working with youth and you know, trying to make a
difference in the world, and as we know right now,
the world is probably seeming highly complicated to most of us. Well,
enter Thomas Lagrave Junior. Pretty much the thing that I
love when I had an opportunity to be able to
chat with Thomas, because as I mentioned, I talk with

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everybody before I actually have them on the show. Because
I need to understand one, are they really a good
fit for my listeners? And too, I need to understand
what it is that they do. And when I heard
his story, I was just absolutely like, this has made
me rethink my idea about working with younger people, because
I love working with emerging adults. I often struggle with
teens in my mind, and he helped me to understand
in my own way that I really didn't struggle. It

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was me just being resistant with children for some reason,
and it could be because I don't have my own
I don't know. But he opened my eyes in a
way about today's youth. And I just think when you
hear what he has to say is going to change
the way maybe you think about your sons, your daughters,
your nieces or nephews, your grandchildren, or maybe some kids
you're working with that could really use this type of guidance.

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Thomas is a best selling author, he's a licensed clinical
social worker, and he's a founder of Honor Bond Academy,
which at one point was a year long immersive workshop.
But here's the thing. Everybody who starts something finds a
way that they want to grow and to reach more people.
So even with Honor Bound Academy, that itself is evolving

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into something more because he's so dedicated into educating and
healing in the mentorship at that point with adolescent men.
But he also has a passion for young people. As
I mentioned, he is a former US Navy seal. But
here's the thing. He has spent thirty five years and
by the way, he has a birthday coming up, so
he's definitely dedicated almost more than half his life seriously

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to working with more than three thousand young men, specializing
in the psychological and developmental challenges they often have. Can
I just flat out on this, and I hope most
people do. When it comes to mental wellness, we tend
to want to sweep men under the rug and not
give them the tension that they really need. And I
like that Thomas has actually focused on that. But he's
also focused on working with young people. But here's the

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thing that really appeals to me and I have so
much respect for him, is his transparency is that he
is a recovering addict and alcoholic. In three days, three decades,
he's been working on being a better person. So he's
taken his experience enrolled it into his professional journey to
work with people. So without me diving deep into this,
because we're going to talk about his two books, which

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I think everybody I'm going to encourage everyone to go
get because not just because he's my guest, but I
think what he has to say is important. But without
further ado, let's bring to the Ambition stage my third
guest on the Ambition Show, Thomas Legrave Junior. Thomas, how
are you Maya?

Speaker 3 (11:12):
What a wonderful introduction. Thank you so much. I'm doing
excellent now.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Well you were probably like, is she ever going to
shut up? It's okay, you know eventually when you do podcasting, yeah,
do all your housekeeping stuff. But anyways, I'm excited to
have you on because you bring so much to the table.
So with this being started, I always like to share
with my listeners. I tell my guests, you know, give

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my listeners a little bit of your background so they
can understand how your passion and purpose has brought you
to where you are, because everybody has a story that
builds into what their success is.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Yeah. Yeah, mine goes back to, uh, the age of
fourteen is when it all began. That was and I
did my first drink in my first drug. Shortly thereafter,
probably within the year, I was an adict alcoholic, but
it took me fifteen more years before the bottom completely

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dropped out. So I went from fourteen to eighteen doing
drugs and being what high school sports I was. I
had friends, family. On the outside looked good, everything appeared wonderful.

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Inside drama and hurt and pain and insecurity and all
of that. So at the age of eighteen, I got
a younger two younger brothers, two siblings, and I got
caught getting high with my younger brother and my father
threw me out of his house. And at the age
of eighteen, I'm like, that's it. I'm not going back,

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I'm not apologizing. I can handle this. I'm going to
move forward. And this was the late seventies, nineteen seventy eight,
and so the only option that there was at that
point for me was I chose to go in the military.
This was four years after the end of Vietnam and

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nobody in their right mind wanted anything to do with
the military, so it was quite easy for me to
get in and get what I wanted. I had wanted
to always wanted to be a doctor, and in the Navy.
They have a rate that's called Hospital Corman. So we
get to the third week of boot camp and it
turns out that there's a program that you can take

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a screening test for that's Navy Seals. Now at that point,
I've got no one in my family that's ever been
a military I have no clue as to what I've
gotten myself into and what a Navy seal is. I
saw a picture of a cargo net and that net
was what I wanted to climb because I was athletic.

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Earlier on, I was a boy scout and during jamborees
they had obstacle courses, and so I wanted to climb
that cargo net, and that was what I thought I
was getting myself into. So long story short, I ended
up at a place called BUDS Basic Underwater Demolition Seal Training,

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and this is where I began a process of becoming
a Navy Seal. After six months, this would have been
February twenty ninth, nineteen eighty, I graduate from BUDS Class
one zero six and begin a magnificent journey. It was
like nothing I had prior or ever experienced, and it

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was fantastic. Problem was that issue I brought with me
from the age of fourteen. In my ninth year, six month,
it caught up to me and at that point I
was discharged from Seal Team one for drug use and
that's where life became horribly difficult. But that was the

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changing and the new opportunity that I was given that
brings me here to you today.

Speaker 6 (15:11):
So what do you think, you know, it's one, it's
it's interesting that you you found that the military could
be that piece of the puzzle that can help you
to move forward.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
And I've often heard so many people who in cases
that have felt lost or didn't feel like they had options,
that they really felt that the military could be the
thing that could help them to get on track. Then
later I hear a bit more about it was the
discipline that I needed, you know, I hear I hear
that too.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
So so here here's and the reason I stopped there
is because this is where that second life for me began.
I left the military and I could not go back.
And there it was incredibly difficult because I had never
been a civilian. I'm now twenty nine years old trying

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to figure out how to live in a civilian world
that I had no idea of how to do that,
and not only that, it was there was a raging
addiction that had captured me. So I ended up going
back to my parents' house and my father said, look,

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you're back again, same problem as the last time. You
need to address this issue. So I ended up entering
a ninety day recovery facility called Project ninety twelve step program.
It was the first time since I was fourteen that
I had ninety days without drugs and alcohol, and it
was like wow. But the thing is is it taught

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me how to stop using, but it didn't teach me
how to live life. And I had about a year
about sobriety, and I was going to use again, and
I knew it was coming and it was not going
to be pretty. At that point, I ain't the only
options were going to be death, incarceration, or out on
the streets again. And so I came up with the

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idea that I could not remember my past. I couldn't
see my fourteen year old self. I don't remember my emotions.
The military had shut them off. Drugs and alcohol shut
them off, and I was clueless as to how to
tap into that and begin to heal. Myself. So the
idea I came up with this. I looked for a

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job where I could work and see that age group
dealing with the same issues I had. So I took
an overnight position at a drug and alcohol recovery facility
called Project ninety, ages thirteen to seventeen, a one year
immersive program, and it was enlightening, it was inspiring, it

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was life changing what it had happened and was. I
went there not to help kids. I went there very selfish.
I wanted to figure out how to live life without
drugs and alcohol and understand my emotions and my past
and come to terms with it. Well that's you know,

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everybody has what their will is, and then there's a
will of something greater. And what turns out as me
being selfish coming to take something from me was a
gift given by all those young folks that taught me
that I was trustworthy, that I was honorable, that I
was a good person, that the past is the past,

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you come to terms with it and you move on.
And in that four year period that I worked there,
they gave me the grace of living life with full
and complete giving of myself to the program. And because
of that gift because of the way it was offered

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to me, I felt an obligation. It was I am
huge on loyalty, and I saw that relationship as something
to be cherished, and my loyalty to it was that
I committed myself too understanding and working with youth at

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that age at the end of four years, no education,
no knowledge other than what I had learned in the
previous four years. And I was never going to get
a case though, because I had no college education. So
I moved on under good terms and I took the
next job, which was fabulous too. I became a unit

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director of a boys and girls club, started with fifty
nine kids. Four years later, I had four hundred and
forty youth and the majority of teenagers, and the education
had even gotten more intense. Daytop. They had to talk
You're in a in a one year program. You're not
going home unless you talk to the counselors. Boys and

(20:11):
Girls Club. It was a three dollars membership and once
they paid it, they didn't have to They didn't have
to respect me. Then I have to talk to me.
Then I have to do nothing. They had complete rights
to the club, and I was like, wow, so I
had thought that I was good because kids talked to me.
You know what, when I got to the Boys and

(20:32):
Girls Club, I had to rethink that and I literally
spent the next two years wanting to throttle every one
of those kids because you're disrespecting me, You're showing me
no respect. You want me to respect you. And well,
the bottom line is I was not going to give up.
I wasn't going to give in. I had dedicated myself.

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My loyalty demanded it, my honor demanded it. And somewhere
around the second year it changed and it was as
though those young folks there knew that I could be
counted on. My word was my bond. I showed up
on time, and if I said I was going to
do something, I did it. And somewhere around the second
year it went from it wasn't adversarial, it was just

(21:17):
I don't have to I can ignore you and just
do whatever I want to. It became family. And that
was the lesson that I learned was I had a gift,
that I had a talent and an ability to work
with young people. And what had happened was it started
with the recovery facility in that you. I the added

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an alcoholic, had demons. There were things in my past
that were killing me that I had to go back
and come to terms with and deal with. And I
learned that at day Top and then at the Boys
and Girls Club. These kids are bringing me their secrets,
the things that are happening to them and their families,
things that are happening out on the playground. And I'm

(22:04):
getting information that was never part of my childhood, and
I didn't know what to do with it. And so
at the end of eight years, four years adolescent Recovery,
four years Boys and Girls Club, I went back to school.
I got a bachelor's and master's, a license and a
board certification, and those things look great on the wall

(22:24):
and it's given me so much. But the fact of
the matter, I got that because I was not going
I found it unacceptable that a kid was going to
come to me and say, this is what's happening, and
I didn't have the answer. I now have the answer,
and if I don't, I know where to get it.
And so, because of my loyalty and my bond with

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that generation who gave me my life back, I've dedicated
my entire life the last thirty five years of being
working with I'm more specific at with Honor Bound Academy.
I looked at I had come to understand with generations
because I had seen a couple my generation, the generation

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that I was dealing with, in the next generation that
was coming up, and I saw what was similar and
what was missing, and what I created in an Honor
Bound Academy was a right of passage, a one year program,
and so it was based in nature. I used the
elements I used mentorship. When I went through BUDS, there

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was an instructor corps that taught us how to be
seals and got us through training, and that relationship, that
love hate relationship. We saw them as gods because they
were you know, act that they were real, true life warriors.
They had done the deed, and I wanted we all

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wanted to be them and that relationship. I did not
take that relationship. I could not take the right of
page and build it off of what I experienced in BUDS.
I went with the Native American culture and how they
transitioned their adolescence to adulthood and came to understand that

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that was a mentorship program where the guides took youth
from adolescents and walked them through to adulthood, standing at
their side, teaching and experiencing with them, allowing them to
fall and fail, because failure is a right, and once

(24:35):
you fail, the only really, the only way it's it
truly is a failure is if you quit. Failure is
a right, stand up, get up, figured out something wasn't
good enough, something wasn't right, make yourself better. And so
that was honor bound academy. It never got to the

(24:55):
level that I wanted it. My financial acumen as a businessman,
I could never get it to that degree. So I
shut that down. And for the last several years, I've
been a speaker where I go out and I am
able to speak to various types of groups. I go

(25:16):
back to the boys and Girls club, I work with
the homeless, I deal with all the various I'm a
social worker. And so that there is what brings me
to today, which I had shared with you. Got a
birthday coming and it's retirement time. And though the word

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I'm a retiree, I'm not retired. What this allows me
to do now is to take all that experience, that knowledge,
that expertise that prior I had family I had to
pay bills. I'm expensive. Bottom line is, if you experienced me,

(25:57):
it costs a lot of money. And this stage, what
I'm allowed to do is I have set my future
in financial security so that I can volunteer, and not
only volunteer, but volunteer where I want to go and
give this knowledge. And this is where I get to

(26:18):
go back to boys and Girls clubs, I go back
to adolescent recovery facilities. I go to parents groups that
are having kids that are suicidal anxiety, depression, drugs. And
I'm able to do that by what is truly in
my heart is to give back free and the heart
of the volunteer is the strongest heart of all. And

(26:41):
that's right now.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
The let me ask you this, Let me ask you this. Yeah,
So you did honorballn Academy, which I think is amazing,
Like you created this this space out in Sonoma, California.
It was very natured based, which is so good to
tap into. You touch the lives of three thousand like
young men, you know, and that within itself just to
have the idea to bring it to fruition can be

(27:06):
really hard. Just probably finding the resources to make it
sustainable was probably the bigger challenge. But as you did
that work, like I know, you know, we've got people
watching who can totally connect to this, and they're falling
into that adolescent group. What would you say to that
person who's struggling? Who Because you've seen obviously to me,
different dimensions of this where you've been in the treatment

(27:28):
centers working with adolescents, you've also been right there in
community centers with the boys and girls clubs, seeing probably
plenty of kids who are suffering that don't even have
the outlet yet. What do you say to that you
who in their minds will say this doesn't get better,
there is there is no hope, especially right now in
today's world. It's looking a little bleak a little bit.
What would you what would you say to them?

Speaker 3 (27:50):
To start? It's the Honor Bound Economy dot org. That's
the website, and in that website is on about Academy.
I put it all there for you to see how
I ran it, you know, first phase, second phase, third phase.
I put all these statistical analysis, everything that went into

(28:12):
it is on the website for you to take. Now,
what I would say is we based it in nature.
The power of nature is you know. I'm a licensed
clinical social worker. I've been a clinical therapist for the
last twenty years. The most outstanding, the most powerful therapist
I have ever met is Mother Nature. So if you're

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having issues, and probably in this modern era and you're
you're a teenager, you got the technology in your hand.
Here's the thing is, you can go into nature with
the technology in your hand, and in nature it doesn't work.
There's no cell towers. So I got you in nature

(28:57):
and now there are Just go out in nature and
see what's there. I had an earlier part in my
career and I've written about this. The Pacific Crest Trail
exists in the United States from the Mexican border to
the Canadian border. It goes through California Noa or California, Oregon,

(29:19):
and Washington, and it's broken into segments, and those segments
are so many miles apart, and in each of those
segments there's a mail box or a post office that
you can start in Mexico and walk all the way
to Canada, and you can choose your segments. I started

(29:39):
in Belding, California, which is outside of Sacramento, and walked
to the Oregon border and I carried. The equipment was
really heavy and I didn't want to carry food, so
I had food sent to each of the mail boxes
so that it took me three four five days to

(30:00):
get to the next mailbox. And I could carry that
much weight because it was diminishing each day as I
ate it. And this is a challenge, challenge yourself in nature.
And what I got from it, what I get to
share from you is nobody can ever take that from me.
I made that walk. It thoroughly overwhelmed me physically, emotionally, spiritually.

(30:26):
I can remember, on like the third day out, I'm
walking on the path and I'm exhausted, and I can
look up and it's crusting and you can see a
good distance and I look down and there's a bear
paw and it's like really like like it was just
step there. And I'm looking around, going I'm a city boy,
come on now, what's this right? And the fact of

(30:50):
the matter is all of those little gems are there.
Nature is it. I still go to the ocean because
I love the surface zone and you can talk to
it's not just a Navy seal, talk to any surfer.
The surf zone, the water, it talks to you. It's

(31:10):
where you can get in touch and it literally will
take your life or save your life because it's not personal,
it's nature. But the fact of the matter is you
can learn how to become one with and that again
is mine. No one can take it from me. It's
my experience. I am trying to share with you to

(31:32):
create experiences that are just yours. Because what is self esteem.
Self esteem is the feeling of self. We need to
get you to see how you are just like every
other human being, but like no other human being, you
are unique to your moment in time and place. Yes, yeah,

(31:55):
but your issues, that's what I learned, and recovery, because
everybody had the same issues, but nobody had men I
went to a men's and man, we don't talk about nothing.
So I'm sitting in a recurry facility and they knew
we weren't gonna talk. So what they did was they
gave us a piece of paper and we wrote down

(32:16):
the most horrible thing that ever happened to us. And
we wrote it down and we were all told to
fold it the same way. So we folded it in
half and then in a quarter, so everybody in the
room and there was like forty of us, we don't
know which one. It was put into a hat and
then everybody drew from the hat and then we read

(32:37):
that one. So you heard your somebody else reading it.
So it was said to the group, because what's killing
you inside has to find its way out. That's what
Daytop gave me. That was that was because of that.
I have committed because of the because of what that

(32:59):
group gave me, that they trusted by sharing in the
group the secrets that at that point I hadn't because
I was afraid, I was a coward. And I'm working
there telling them what they have to do, and I'm
sitting back going, oh my god, look at these eighteen
nineteen year olds, and I'm a former Navy seal and

(33:20):
I'm petrified to tell my truth. Well, you know what
they had the courage. I found the courage, and I
found the courage because they showed me the courage. And
because of that gift, I will never leave them until
the day they bury me, because that's what Honor and

(33:41):
loyalty and nobility, all of that is what drives me today.
And it's all because of young people. And that's why
I'm here sharing that.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
With you, you know, Tomas. One of the things that
when I work with people in therapy that I talk
about and I have au and addiction studies too, and
what you just talked about. When I did my externship hours,
I actually did it at an addiction facility and it
was all men. There were no women, and I chose
it deliberately and I found it to be very eye open,
to be honest, how men that emotional shutdown, that mental shutdown.

(34:17):
But when we got to the point they shared that
vulnerability was a beautiful thing. And it was probably the
first time and some people said it in their lives
that they have ever felt they connected with people and
could be themselves and not be judged and not be afraid.
And to have a space where you don't feel afraid
is so important. But one of the things that with

(34:38):
younger people and tell me how you kind of work
with this, is I always feel not just younger at people,
but in general, anger is the easiest emotion for people
to elicit and to bring to the surface. And the
thing I always say, well, we know that anger isn't
the real emotion. What's under the surface is it? Disappointment
is an abandonment, is it, you know, anxiety? What is

(34:58):
the thing that's bringing the anger to the surface. But
I think the thing that most people miss about anger
And when I say this, someone's gonna go that's different.
But I'm gonna think about it. Anger is probably your
best friend. And you know why I say that because
the minute that anger steps on the stage with you,

(35:21):
it means someone has done something to you that either
makes you feel disrespected, violated, unappreciated, disregarded, whatever it is,
they have drawn that part of you that says, wait
a minute, what's happening here? Why are you treating me
like that?

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Now?

Speaker 5 (35:39):
The difference with anger is your best friend, because you know,
you can have two best friends. You can have that
best friend that wants to run out and fight and
make a full of both of you together, or you
can have that best friend that's like, stop, let's talk
about this, okay, what really happened here? What's going on?
How are we going to handle this? So it's like
anger can be that angel or demon. It could be
the thing that makes you make a better decision and

(35:59):
it's how you're going to interact with people in your
lives or on the flip side. It can have you
run off and do things that can be risky or
painful for yourself. So when you see a lot of
younger people probably harnessing anger, and it's usually so it's honest,
what do you do with that?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Well, here's the thing is, we both do the clinical
and we both see the same thing, and I agree
with you, but it's slightly different for me. For me,
anger is fear based from my experience, there's a fear,

(36:40):
and the fear is something is going to be taken
from you or something's going to be denied you. And
that's what you said, and it creates anger. So that
if you want to deal with the anger, understand the
fear and anger was what drove me to finish that
walk in the Pacific Crest Trail. Anger is what found

(37:04):
me doing the twelve steps I used, oh and then
the other one. I went back to academia. I was
thirty eight years old for the bachelor's I was forty
years old for the masters. So thirty eight to forty two,
I got my bachelors and my masters. I was pissed

(37:25):
off every day because I went. I went back to school,
I went onto the campus, I went and saw the
instructors that live in the Ivory Tower and think that
they're smarter than anyone else. And I'm coming from a
world of experience. I'm a former Navy seal, I'm a
recovering addict and alcoholic. I have you done all these things?
And you're going to tell me from that I was

(37:47):
angry the entire time, and I use that anger to graduate. So,
as you say it, it's a love hate relationship. But
anger has a place. It's in emotion. I'm just from
a clinical standpoint when I've got somebody that's come to

(38:08):
me with anger issues, especially men who hit hit walls,
hit other people, hit it, and the worst of all,
men who hit women. I just that's the only time
I want to hit a man again. Still. But the
fact of the matter is how do you get that
to change? And that's where anger has to be provided

(38:35):
to the individual in such a way that, as you said, hmm,
never thought of about it that way, so that it,
you know, you set them off balance because you're saying
you can keep your anger, What do you mean keep
my anger? Well, anger is not good or bad how
you use it. So I'm in agreement with you and

(38:56):
that's kind of my perspective. So we have the masculine
and the feminine side by side there, and how's that there?

Speaker 5 (39:04):
You go right there, But we all kind of like
you said, it's the way. It's really about the way
you choose to see something. There's perspective and there's perception.
And I always tell people learn the difference, you know,
because perception is when you're sitting in something and you
may not really have a lot of depth to it.
So it's maybe just about the experience, whereas perspective, as

(39:26):
you step outside of just perception and ask you to say, well,
what's happening over there, what's on the horizon, Well, what
was behind me? It asked you to like look at
things like the forest for the trees kind of thing.
But most people, when they're angry or fearful and they're
using it in a negative capacity, they're only operating from
a position of perception, not perspective. Okay, so you do

(39:49):
auto bound a candle me, you pour into this, you
change I know three thousand young men's lives, right, and
you decided okay, but I can't keep running at this pace.
We often learned this when we're altruistic. Some things you
just cannot keep up at a pace. But I also
feel like, deep down inside, you want to touch more lives,
you want to reach out, you want to get to
more people. So there enters Thomas Lagrave Junior, the author. Okay,

(40:12):
and I'm gonna say this, if you're not a reader
in this world, you really need to change up that
mindset because I always they say it a lot, not
just me. If you want to hide stuff from something,
put it in print. Because people don't want to read anything.
I do believe that's true. People hate to read, but
when it's something good and worth it, most of the
time you forget you're even reading something. So Thomas has

(40:34):
two amazing books that he has he has written one.
The first book is The Bell Tolls for the a soliloquy,
and the second book is Special Welfare Social Welfare. We're
going to talk about both of these books. Obviously, you
should know that the Special Welfare kind of focuses on
you know, today's youth and transition from you know, adolescence

(40:54):
to adulthood. And both these books to me probably have
a lot of good, honest social commenting. So let's start
with your first book, as you know, the bolt the
belt tolls for thee And I love when I was
reading about it that you were going to use like
a pen name. You know, you're gonna you know, be
anonymous and not known which one. I can ask you
a question, why did you want to be anonymous? Like

(41:15):
why not just come out the gates and just be
who you were? Like why what was the thought behind
not writing as Thomas but being someone else? Initially?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
So sobriety allows for the addict and alcoholic to create
a spiritual realm, a spiritual understanding. And I found that
by giving without your name attached to it is a
power unto itself that comes back in ways that you
can't even begin to imagine. So I wanted to put

(41:43):
the energy out there for community, for culture, for others,
and you don't put a name on it, then the
reader is the writer. And I'm thinking that I'm want
the energy from the spiritual that domain of offering it

(42:06):
without putting my name on it.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
You know, one of the things that we talk about
in therapy, and I just this popped in my head
and I would be curious what you think about it
as a format, because arthist so to speak, so, you know,
we always talk about journaling, and some people hate the idea,
like because they say it as writing and they probably
have a bad experience from school, so they're like, I
don't want to write. I'm like, well, you're really writing
about you. It's not about just this general topic that
someone forced you to research and write about. Do you

(42:30):
feel there is a very therapeutic type benefit to people
journal but maybe do it more in context of their
writing about their lives, Like if they were to write
a book, not that they may ever publish it, but
if they wrote their lives by chapters, you know, and
kind of began to explore each one of those chapters.
Do you feel, especially when it comes to something like

(42:50):
addiction and trauma, that that could be something that could
be beneficial for people to change the idea about the
concept of journaling.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, so here's the thing. I grew up in a
house with a mother was a voracious reader, and in
our front room was a library. That was my mother.
So when I went into the military, she pleaded with
me just journal write things, and she said, look, just

(43:19):
she got it down to and why I finally did
it was just write a sentence. So I'm in Buds
and I was a winter somewhat winter class. At Christmas,
we took a break, so I'd done first phase, second phase.
I was going back to Bud's third phase. I went
home for Christmas and my mother put that on me.

(43:41):
So I went back and Bud's third phase. I journaled today.
I hold that in my hand and can read back,
and I'm taken back to the moment. The words lock
in the emotions. When you think back, I can think
back to training. I was wonderful. I enjoyed it. It's fun.

(44:04):
But when you read it, I remember because a lot
of pain. I'm in pain, pain like that, and every
entry had a pain. And so when I'm reading it,
I'm feeling the pain and I'm feeling the emotion. That's
why you journal. Now, before we lose this point, let

(44:26):
me throw this one out on you. Average reading level
of America third grade. Do you wonder why people don't
want to read? It's because they can't. Now, I say
that because that's the lesson of the second book that
I'm trying to share with the generation of youth, that
you know what, You better start doing research, You better

(44:49):
understand what the truth is. You better start reading this
material because if you don't, you're going to end up
my age and you're not going to like what you're
going to see there. And that's why I wrote the
second book, because five years ago I saw this coming.
So let's not get ahead of ourselves. That's the reason
that you journal is it locks in the emotion so

(45:12):
that years later, when you read it, you feel it again.
And when you feel it again, it creates thoughts that
you've forgotten or thoughts that you never had processed before.
Because what happens over time is maturity. We got wiser, at.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
Least we're supposed to, yes, and so you.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Need what you read six years ago and you see
the growth. So write it down is leaving you a
marker that is far more profound than memory.

Speaker 5 (45:45):
I'm going to agree with you one hundred percent. And
that's when I try to get people to journal. That's
what I say. I'm like, if you journal, it really
gives us a roadmap of where you started and where
you are. And like you said, you get to see
the growth because it is easy to forget maybe where
the emotion sat when you felt like you were in
this bad place. You know, because part of what the
brain loves to do with trauma is minimize it, not

(46:07):
think about it. Not all the details aren't there necessarily,
but when you write it down, you get to go
back and read and go, wow, I have legitimately grown.
I didn't even realize that that was the place that
I was sitting. And that's why I encourage people. It's like,
not because I'm trying to give you a task or homework,
but it is a way for you to be able
to really see how much change and your efforts that

(46:30):
you put forward, how you have, how you've grown. So yes,
I'm glad that some people could get that journaling hearing
it from another therapist is not just the task. It
legitimately has a purpose. So as you work through the
first book, what were the nuggets from that book that
you feel that as people read it, they're going to
go through this journey with you. What does that journey

(46:50):
look like.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Well, here's the thing is where the book was written.
I was a government contractor working with the military as
a clinician in a program called Military Family Life Consultants,
and I started and finished that book in four months
that I was on assignment in the Horn of Africa
in Djibouti. So I started it in Djibouti, and then

(47:12):
I did some time in Ethiopia and then finished it
in Kenya. And I'm sitting on on the Great Rift
Valley in Kenya. And the reason that I bring that
up is because if we evolved and came out of Africa,

(47:33):
we walked through there. Everybody's origin comes through. And I'm
looking down at the Great Rift Valley as I wrote
the bell tooles for thee And so it was like
my first attempt at creation. Men. We don't have babies,
we have kids. But the creation of the book was

(47:53):
like no other experience I've ever experienced in writing it
because it it required focus. I retired termination, I used
my anger, I you know, all of it went into
writing that book. And I told the story of my
evolution from birth to where I was sitting, and then

(48:14):
shared a thought at the very end that I won't
give you because I would prefer you read the book.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
I read the book. Okay, that's okay. That's a heck
of a journey in writing that book. The fact that
where you were at seeing I'm sure the nature was
such an inspiration. Just everything you just knowed way different
was way different, and you're like, it is the essence
of life. Often when you get to continents like Africa,
you're talking about where there's a lot of change, but
there's a lot of still things that sit in its

(48:40):
simplicity and beauty, which is amazing. So yes, so then
you do that that So what kind of motivated you
to write then the second book?

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yeah, so five years ago I started it and we
published October twenty twenty four, So twenty twenty. I am like,
the Trump administration had and we saw that and was
no more. But I'm like, this guy's coming back and

(49:15):
round two is you know, he learned from round one
how to do round two. And I knew and wrote
it before it happened and shared it's a story of
how we got here, what it is that we're dealing with,
how the voice that's the only voice that's important to

(49:39):
me and should be important to the world is the
voice of youth, and it's they're getting drowned out by
the boomer generation, Generation X and the millennials and right now,
the big beautiful bill that's it. They got the bill,
I get the benefit, and I don't find that acceptable.

(50:03):
That's part of I wrote what happened, How did we
get here? What happened to the money? Where's the money?
And what is it that our youth want? And that's
the story I told in in the book Special Welfare,
Social Warfare Adolescents to adulta a guidebook because if we

(50:25):
do not rectify the money, if we don't correct that,
because there's been disparities in wealth before and in the
nineteen twenties, if you do your homework, it happened before,
it's there. But the problem with it today is we
are so angry with one another and we are wanting,
you know, at this point, if we do not address

(50:50):
the special welfare, we're going to end up in social warfare,
right and we're already seeing it.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
We're kind of knocking on the door. And actually, what
you're saying is something that I want to make a
correlation with when you hear someone say and their you know,
social rhetoric is a lot of it going on right
now about we are combating people being woke. That should
make everybody actually raise their eyebrow, like legitimately, because what

(51:17):
that really means now, mind you, I will tell you
that the idea of woke was initially a term that
originated in the African American community. It was really about
looking at social injustice and equality, you know, a lack
of equity, things of those nature. It was born from
the idea of the Civil rights movement, where there was
this you could say, renaissance of knowing your history but

(51:38):
understanding the social injustice and what and how it affects you.
That's where the idea of woke came from. Understanding social
injustice and wanting to take a stand against it. So
I look at people and say, when somebody tells you
is an issue with being woke, you should be concerned,
because that's like saying, go back to sleep, don't learn anything,
and just go along with the system. Well, for some people,

(52:00):
well the system is not designed to benefit them. And
what you're saying is and I agree with you generations.
I understand they love social media, but you must go
back and learn everything. Don't take everything at face value.
Like I watch the news all the time, and I'm like,
that's highly inaccurate. When they talk about economics. Most kids
barely got economics in school. Let's just start with that.

(52:21):
History is very watered down. So if you take the
time to go learn about things outside of what you've
been told, you actually will be floored and be like, wow,
that's interesting. That's not the narrative that I was given.
So you should learn how to seek out knowledge and learn,
and if nothing else, I hope our younger generations have
come to understand. I do believe that we have probably

(52:43):
failed them ethically, Thomas. But at the same time, I
think that we were failed. So we keep failing. We
keep failing our youth. And I feel like you're stepping
forward and you're saying it is time that we stop
failing our youth. We have to do better because we
can no longer use the excuse that I'll okay, well,
it wasn't given to me, so I didn't think to
give it to someone else. And I like the fact

(53:05):
that one you've put it in print. It's like it
sounds like you're giving them an honest guidebook of how
to rethink and how to create better spaces for themselves.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah. So here's the piece. This is a fact, and
you can go back and see it. The beauty of
it is is Donald Rumsfeld brought it up in the
Bush and administration in two thousand. He said that there's
two trillion dollars missing out of the Pentagon. Today twenty

(53:37):
three trillion dollars is missing, unaccounted for. Now, here's the thing.
Divide and conquer. I am at heart a soldier. I
see war. And the fact of the matter is, you divide,
you conquer by dividing the issues. Aren't any of the

(54:00):
things that you're talking about. Look at the disparity of wealth,
because it doesn't matter. The color of your skin, doesn't matter,
your gender, your orientation. All of us are being led
by the nose, being deceived. The fact of the matter
is the only thing that matters is where's the money?

(54:23):
The disparity between the wealthiest one percent. And in the book,
I told the story, I wrote it out. I shared
with you where you can go and find where. Journalists
tried to give it to us. They tried to give
it to the world. We saw it. It was on
sixty minutes for a minute and a half, and we

(54:44):
forgot about it. But the one percent has ninety percent
of the world's wealth and ninety eight ninety nine percent
of the population. We're scrambling for one percent the wealth,
and the issue is nothing but the money. The book

(55:06):
talks about that, and it also shares with you young generation.
I know that the global warming issue is messing with
your head, and my generation doesn't care. And the fact
of the matter is there's answers there too, and nobody
wants to go to where the true issues are. So

(55:27):
into the book, I told the truth for you. And
if you can't read, that's all right. I've got it
in What is it? There?

Speaker 5 (55:37):
You go to it.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Don't buy it. Look I am Here's the thing. I
am not asking you to trust me. I'm asking for
the opportunity to earn your trust. That's all that matters,
is earning your trust. I'm in for the law haul.
I'm into the till death do us part. And in
that time I'm bringing all the knowledge, all the insight.
I just need be told by you what you want
me to do.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Can't beat that. I love your sign in the back
that says I'm not telling you it's going to be easy.
See it's that right there. Yeah, I'm telling you it's
going to be worth it.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, that is not what we want easy.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Is if it's easy, you should really rethink how much
you want it, because anything worth having is always going
to be some work. So for sure, is that is very,
very truthful, and right now, what you're telling me, your
book touches on two things that instantly have popped in
my head. That one, it's been said forever, but people
don't take it seriously. Knowledge is power, because once you

(56:36):
are armed with knowledge, you can make different decisions and
how you're gonna proceed with your life. And two, the
mind is a terrible thing to waste. And we have
generations of people who legitimately are wasting their minds, and
like you said, they're being lead light limmits, partially because
some of our generations, those I'm included, probably didn't do

(56:57):
all the things that we should have to prepare them.
Of course, I'm not Thomas. I'm not sure if we
were prepared for what's happening exactly. Even though I'm with
you on this, several years ago, I saw something coming too.
I knew that Trump would be re elected. I could
see so many things happening in front of me, and
it was interesting how people were just not getting it.
And here we stand, so we can choose to stand

(57:20):
together and fix this or let the division continue to
pull us apart. Well again, let me put these books up. Everybody.
I like the fact that you know Thomas, you said,
let me earn your trust, read the books, tell me
what you think, you know, check out the books so
you can learn more about his passion and purpose about
focusing on today's youth, helping you go from being youth

(57:42):
to you know, obviously to adulthood because there is no manual,
and it sounds, like I said, there's a lot of
good social commentary. It sounds like both of the books
are available on Amazon, which is great, but I also like,
let me give a plug. Is there anywhere else they
can get the book that's more beneficial to you than Amazon?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Just going that's where I went, That's where you went.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
Okay, Just want to make sure you like, maybe on
the website, you know, maybe you could buy the book.
So I just want to make sure that that's the
key place. Yeah, Amazon sells everything. I get it. So
to me, it sounds very worthy of young people reading
those books. It sounds like a very interesting you know,
you're going to hear something from someone that it sounds
like there's a lot of pieces of you that Thomas

(58:24):
people can identify with, like legitimately in your story, and
I think whether you can identify or not, it sounds
like it's something that people still need to pick up read.
I'm going to say this for no matter who watches
this show, whether you're a parent a grandparent, this sounds
like a book that you should probably gift to your
young adults. So when you think about gifts you want
to give someone on their birthday or Christmas, give them

(58:45):
a nift, like a gift of knowledge, something that could
change their world moving forward. So we should maybe be
smart and thinking about our gifts, and even you want
to share with our guests before we wrap everything up.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
No, you know, but this has been awesome. It stayed
true to the point it's all about. It's all about
this next generation. You are the future and it's not
too late. And there's a saying none of us is
as good as all of us together the change, and

(59:25):
that's the fear of power. They know that the masses
can rebel. Our history is replete, and that's what we're
at again. But the problem with it is is revolution
kills everything, It kills the dream, and it leaves everybody poorer.

(59:47):
It's a different approach of creating the revolution, this time
being side by side and you can have your technology
in your hand, I'm fine with that, but look up
and see who's there with you and know that you

(01:00:09):
all matter.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
So everybody you Thomas is a person to know, So
get social with Thomas. You can find him on YouTube, Instagram,
and Facebook at Thomas Great Junior. Make sure you go
to Honor Bound Academy if you want to learn more
about the books and his journey and what he does.
And if I'm correct too, and if I remember, I'm
looking on the site, if someone wants to bring you
into be a speaker, the information is there also how

(01:00:33):
to bring you in to be a speaker as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Correct? Ye, yes, yes it is.

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
You can't. You can't beat that piece right there, Thomas
parting words before we let you go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
You know what, just thank you, Maya. You are your
bringing and fulfilling a need by the guests that you
bring together. So I want the shout out to you
and thank you for the opportunity that you've given me
so that I can share what I love, Sharon, and
that is what's going on with the world of adolescent

(01:01:06):
young adults.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
Before I do, I always like this is something I
always said I wanted to bring into the show. So
I have my associate producer Riley, who was part of
that young generation. Riley, can I bring you on? You
want to share your thoughts about what you've heard us
talk about because you know she's she's young, so she's
in that those twenties. So Riley, welcome to the stage.
Harry's momus talk any thoughts do you want to share anything?
What would you share with your generation based on what

(01:01:28):
you heard?

Speaker 7 (01:01:29):
Hi, I really liked the talking about what's easy and
what's worth it. I actually just recently went and spoke
about my recovery journey with some people at a rehab
facility that I went to, and I told them that

(01:01:50):
the easy things make life hard, but the hard things
make life easy, and so that kind of really is
just what I have been speaking out to people. Yeah,
and I just everything was really great to listen to.
So no complaints.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Thank you for sharing, and I'm glad that you got
to share your story too. It needs to be told.
People need to hear that work.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
We're not alone and that's the key piece, not being alone.
All right, everyone, Well again, as always, Thomas, thank you
for being on the show. As you know, we continue
on with the Ambition shows. So I, as I said,
you know, I'm super excited. The next person to actually
be on the Ambition Show next Saturday is going to

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be Deborah Weed. Okay, again, another person that I can't
wait to bring on because she's going to share Obviously,
she's had her journey to get to where she is,
but she tells this amazing story about self worth in
a way that people can connect. And obviously she's an author,
she's a playwright. She's big on women's empowerment, but she's

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also an advocate for self worth. And it's going to
be a great episode to listen to as well because
when she shares her story, but what she's trying to
achieve with this play that she's writing, when I tell
you the example is so powerful and I think so
many people it's going to resonate with the idea of
understanding self worth, but understanding when you've almost given up

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on yourself and given everything away, and she talks about
the idea of redemption and saving yourself. So Debaweed will
be on next Saturday, August thirtieth, at two pm. She
is the next amazing person who is going to be
on the Ambition stage and I cannot wait to share
her story. With you as well, because so far everybody

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has been amazing. So everyone, with that being said, thank
you for listening to another episode of Maya My Ambition,
Your Ambition, because you know, like I said, the podcast
is focus on helping you to identify your ambition and
to harness and to grow. And if you walk away
with something from this show or the next show, that's
all that matters to me, is that you find a
space to begin to explore the deeper parts of who

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you are. Because everybody is amazing in some way, shape
or form. So there's seventy episodes. You can always find
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Speaks dot com. Everything is there. I'm going to encourage
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minute to get there, but I'm there. So everything is
Maya speaks to you as well, so you can always,

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you know, go and watch former episodes the post. I'm
definitely going to ask you to make sure that you
tune in though to the website because every week on Wednesdays,
I poke so something on both my blogs. There is
the Inspiration Blogs, something for you to process and to
think about for a week. I'm never going to do
it daily because when I put something on the table,
I really want you to process it. And then of

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course the me on Pause, which is a play on
words for menopause, the blog that helps women to understand
what it means to go through that transition that everybody
just thinks at this point is kind of a fignum
of our imagination. But we know better than that, so
make sure you check those things out. But until next time,
everyone remember this is key and it's very important that

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your present becomes your past and your future is no more.
So live every day to the fullest. Those are not
my words. Those are actually lyrics from It's Funny. They're
not by words, and I love it so much, but
hopefully it makes sense because someone said, you know, you
mentioned that, and I wasn't sure exactly what to take
from that. What do you mean? Because your present as

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it moves to the past is just that, and your
future is the present as it stands. We always think
bigger about the future. So it's Pearl Jam It's dancing
with clairveance is what the song is. And that's a
lyric from there from Pearl Jams. So it is my words.
But I'm gonna add another piece of nugget to this
before we close out, And because I think, Thomas you

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made me think about this and it's what people thinking about.
Annie DeFranco is a Canadian folk singer and she has
a song that talks about every tool can be a weapon,
depending upon how you hold it, and so we talked
about the idea of anger. Anger can be a tool
depending upon how you choose to use it. All right, everybody,

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that's it for this episode. If maya thank you for
tuning in. I will see you next Saturday, two pm
with Deborah Weed. It's going to be amazing, So make
sure you all stay safe and you stay tuned in,
check out former episodes, and I'll see you next Saturday.
Good stuff.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
So due respect, I believe this is going to be
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