Episode#82: Let's Talk Leadership through Music with Speaker & Musician Jastin Artis

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Is episode eighty two, let's talk fostering leadership through music
with speaker and musician j Justin. Artists amazing person. I
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Today is a loaded show. But I have to say
one thing is this before we actually jump into our
first guest. You know, I always promote what's coming up,
and the next guest on Monday, which is the eighth,
is gonna be something that's gonna be fantastic. You don't
want to miss it now it says episode seventy eight
because that's when she was supposed to be on in November.
Letitia Pearson is a force to be reckoned with. She's

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a reality star and author and the creator of the
Bell Collective that airs on the own network, and she's
also the founder of the Women's Brunch Foundation. I'm gonna
tell you something, I really am not a reality TV person.
But when I had the chance to really sit down
and I got to speak with Letitia about what she's doing,
it isn't what's typical reality show. And there's a lot

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of interesting narratives and life lessons that I think that
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It actually takes place in Jackson, Mississippi. Of all the places,
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There's a story unfolding in Jackson that's really really interesting
in Letitia Pearson and the Ladies of Bell Collective a
part of it. So she's going to be on Monday

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with us at two pm Central Standard Time. But without
further ado, it is time to get ready for our guest,
Jasin Artist, amazing person. I am so excited about this
because if you're like me, you come to realize you
can be a creative force in the world. But that
doesn't mean that that creative force that you have is
always going to go to where it should be. Well,

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without further ado, our next guest is going to talk
about this now. Normally what I would do is give
you like this amazing kind of lead up, but I
want to actually share with you a video from his website. Firsthands,
you can feel the energy before I bring him to
the stage. Now, mind you, it's a new feature I'm using,
so bear with me, but hopefully it's going to beautiful people.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
What's going on is your boy Jasin Artists. Welcome to
artist World my website. I appreciate you visiting. I'm not
sure where you came from how you found me. It
could be because you want to book me for a
keynot concert. Maybe you need a custom song d maybe
you need and our support, you want to do the
subscription model for artist's development, or maybe you need help

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getting your project done music production.

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Engineering, or maybe you just want to donate. Whatever the case,
I thank you for coming to visit, no matter how
long you stay. But I hope you take a look around.
See what if for.

Speaker 9 (09:43):
See the good energy that I'm bringing you that I
hope you will bring me so again. I just want
to welcome you to my page and say thank you
for visiting, and I hope we get to talk again soon.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
There you go, right there, It doesn't get better. I
could not have done a better intro for someone if
I wanted to. So, without further ado, let's bring to
the stage the one, the two, the most amazing.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
He's like, okay, am I gonna stop it? Jass?

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Did I you know? You know I'm marking on sound effects,
but today I'm the producer. Whistles all ain't gonna be
showing up.

Speaker 10 (10:22):
Awesome, awesome job that that energy was. I mean, I
love I love the whole thing what you do. And
then that was a first for somebody to play my videos,
so me watching me was interesting, but thank you so
much for having me.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I mean, like I said, I often like, you know,
we'll do lead INDs and you know, read a nice bio,
but I was like, this video it embodies everything that
you are, your energy, and I was like, what better
way to get people familiar with the guests is hey
right here the video It says it all so fostering
leadership through music. I'm sure some people saw that title
and said my music. People probably went that's different.

Speaker 6 (11:00):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (11:01):
So in saying that, tell the listeners what that means exactly.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Absolutely well.

Speaker 10 (11:06):
First, let me just you know, honor you again for
having me, Honor God for being here. Shout out to
my wife Kelly, and my two boys, Jason Jamis, I
love you, Jamis rest in heaven.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
What it means is being a creative.

Speaker 10 (11:24):
I won't just say music artists, right, because we're in
a time where I mean, you're a scientist and you're creating, right,
and you can share that content and how you do
what you do. So I've understood that being a creative
it is like the dopest job in the world. You

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are doing so many things at once outside of just
what your craft is, and with technology obviously now AI,
you can do.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
So much more.

Speaker 10 (11:55):
But I think people miss that the decisions that you
make every time that you do something. You put out
a project, release a product, whatever the case is, when
you are building teams, all these things are leadership skills, right,
And most of us are solo entrepreneurs and so we're leading.

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But what I want to, I guess, get rid of
this idea, especially in music, is that oh I'm just
the artist. Oh I'm just a producer. Oh I'm just
a musician. You a business man, and creatives are leaders.
So for me personally, maya, I just I don't know
how long ago it was, but I just got this

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epiphany that, man, everything that I've become and becoming is
what I learned from music. The late nights, the digging
into being an artist, a songwriter, a musician, the engineer,
and are learn the business blah blah blah, like all
of these different things. It really taught me so much

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about myself, manhood, even fatherhood. And I was one of
those people you know back in school when you got
in a group, I didn't want to be the leader,
you know what I mean. I was the one that
did my work though, you know what I mean. But
then somehow it always came on me to be the
leader because nobody wanted to lead. Nobody wanted to like

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just I guess, get the group together and to make
sure that we had a dope project and got that
a And so I finally just realized I need to
stop running from it and just you know, lean a
little more into it. And now that's that's pretty much
my whole in Mo, you know.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
And you know, and the thing about when you said,
I think that how you frame the idea of leadership
and music because people often don't see creativity that way.
But some of the most powerful people and leaders that
you know that are right in front of you literally
are creatives. And it's interesting how we kind of want
to frame things like I think a lot of people
would probably say, oh, they look at like musicians as

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let's say, role models. Like I'll give an example of
it seems like every every couple decades someone comes along
that has a powerful influence. So regardless to what your
music taste is, I'm just going to give an example.
So you look at someone like Taylor Swift right, who
you know obviously has resonated with her generation. You know,
she's a very powerful business woman though, and I would say,

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how she leads with things becomes to me an example.
I think she isn't just a role model, she is
a leader because she took a stance. She showed you
how you it's about making money, but protecting your intellectual
property when other people want to take over it.

Speaker 6 (14:37):
That's not being a role monitor.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
That's showing you how to lead within your respective field.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
Yeap, very very good example. I'm not a swiftye but
I love and respect what she has done and the
way that she's done it. I mean there's countless people
and you know, even us a tailor.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
You know, think about.

Speaker 10 (14:55):
You know, the ownership, you know, challenge she went through
when not owning her masth and then figuring out how
to own our masters by re recording stuff, right, like,
just those type of things like I've always had this,
I guess idea of it's more than just making music
for me, yes, And I think that's what I want

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to instill and educate my fellow peers and creatives, regardless
of skill level, but especially when you come in at
the beginning. I don't care if you you know, forty
two like me, or you twenty two, right, Like, you
have to come into this thing if you are committed.
And this is the word that I use. I've been
committed to music for twenty some years. Right since the

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day that I said, Yo, this feeling feels great. I
look things up at the library and I said, okay,
I want to do this and Since that day forward,
I've been committed, and I think I had this notion,
not as clear as you know over the years, but
already had this notion that I'm more than just an artist.

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I'm already just a songwriter, a guitarist. And over the
years I really found out what that means for me, right,
And so now it's about to be in twenty twenty six,
it's like, yo, you got to understand you already leading,
Like you're doing all the leadership things, whether you want
to admit it or not, whether you feel like you're

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good at it or not. I mean, we're constantly learning,
right or should be. You know, I would say if
I'm not learning anymore or I feel like i'm too
you know, too much success, so to speak, that I
don't want to learn that I need to hang it up.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
So you're going to constantly evolve.

Speaker 10 (16:39):
But I want to really take away that fear that
I'm not a leader, because I honestly believe that even
people in our industry, but especially out, need to put
some respect on our names, regardless of what your you know,
a list B list artists, whatever that success is for you,
if you're doing it professionally, making money. I don't care
how much people are seeking out what you do. They

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want to hear from you, like all of those things.
Not to take away, you know, because there is a
difference between amateur and professional y'all.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 10 (17:11):
But when you are professional, you're a leader man, And
I just want people to really just be more confident
about that.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
You said a couple of things right there that I
want people to I always say, when someone drops a nugget,
we need to pick up what they're dropping. And so
you picked up two You said two things there that
I instantly picked up. I'm like, we're out here playing jacks. Yeah,
you said, you know, I always tell people when you
are working on you and you are evolving as a person.
When you said that comment about you know, if you're

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making money, no matter how much it is, that's the
point that people miss the basis, I think, especially when
it comes to entertainment and even being creative. I feel
like sometimes there's too much like comparison. Yes, like people
like make their assumption of when they've made it, they
on other people's success. Can you can you speak to

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that piece for me?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Come on, preach, you're preaching so and I'll start with this.

Speaker 10 (18:12):
I have definitely compared myself over these twenty some years, right,
And I think it's it's kind of natural in a sense.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And I know, for me being a man of faith, right.

Speaker 10 (18:26):
Scriptural talks about not comparing yourself and but like understanding
what that means. I think there's there's kind of levels
to it, there's variations of it. But you, I think
in a good sense, it's like, yes, I see myself,
you know in this artist or this producer what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.

Speaker 10 (18:49):
I'll use my perfect example as common, right, I mean,
I grew up in the best era of music.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
I think one of the best eras of music.

Speaker 10 (18:58):
Actually hip hop. I got.

Speaker 6 (19:02):
Yes, I was born in Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Can't say I can't say nothing.

Speaker 6 (19:07):
I can't say that age.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I'm fine with it. I'm in Common.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
You spoke to Chicago Common.

Speaker 10 (19:14):
Okay, yep, that's right, that's right, that's right. But I
got the comparison early with him.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Right.

Speaker 10 (19:21):
So music is naturally like, oh, you sound like such
and such, And if you take heed to that, especially
if it's like one of your favorite artists, you start
to dissect that. You start to understand the comparison, that's healthy,
I would say, right, and that's what I would I
would do. But then let's say somebody like, what's his name,

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Chance to.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Rapper, don't know the Chicago You just all Chicago.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I love my Chicago guys. I love my Chicago guys.

Speaker 10 (19:51):
But when he came on the scene, I was like, bro,
what he like? That's supposed to be me? Like what
you know what I'm saying? After this this time, I
don't know few albums out, still obviously trying to figure
it out, but it just seemed what he was presenting
match a little too well to what I was doing.
And I started to think, oh, man, I done lost

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my shot.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Let me screw up my.

Speaker 10 (20:16):
Game, let me figure more out, like more pressure on
myself because I'm comparing myself to the great Chance To rapper.
And that was like a significant moment for me in
the sense of, yeah, that's not healthy, it's not good.
You start to realize that your moment is your moment,

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no one is you. I think just probably within the
last five years, I came up with this, this saying
or this thing hit my spirit was like, you know,
some would consider jay Z to be the greatest of
all time, right in hip hop and one of the
greatest music period, right, And I'm like, jay Z can't
be jastin artists? There you go, And my that thing

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hit me so hard, I said, oh, and then I
started to dissect that, right, because I'm a man of
reflection and details, and it really blew my mind because
obviously it's no disrespect to Jay, but Jay can't do
poetry and play the guitar and do those type of
things like I have done and developed in myself and

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vice versa.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I'm not going to be able to do.

Speaker 10 (21:27):
A lot of what Jay has done, nor do I
want to in the sense of comparison, right. And so
once that really hit me, I really.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Really started to focus.

Speaker 10 (21:38):
You know, when that feeling of comparison comes, it's like
that's literally I mean, you could put in any artists
when like Jay can't be me, So just continue to
be you. Nobody can be you, right, And and my
success is my success. You know, I'm not here to
be a celebrity. That's that's not even something I do
believe that you can even I mean though people try

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to portray like it's not something you become, right, it
just it happens by way of yes, all the.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Things that mess together right for that to happen.

Speaker 10 (22:08):
But to be real, nobody want that. You don't want it.
That's a whole other conversation I've been thinking about in
the last few months. But yeah, that to me, the comparison,
it's like I said, I think it's a natural thing.
It can be healthy, but I think we all know
when we're pushing to unhealthy and you just you got

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to cut yourself off, right.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yes, the thing I kind of started to think about,
and you know, especially in working with people in therapy,
because yeah, guys, I'm a therapist if you don't know.
And by the way, this is episode eighty two of
Maya My Ambition, Your Ambition. We've got Jason Artists is
our guest here. And remember, if you want to join
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too and I will post it, you know, and we
can go from there. But one of the things I
think that people have to realize and I'm going to
kind of say, I feel like maybe it's just come
with old age or aging, so to speak. There's a
saying that always stuck with me and it's one of
the things I have on the wall in my office,

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and it says, comparison is a thief of joy. And
it is because I feel when people compare to others
who are maybe where they want to be in life,
they are selling themselves short from being present with themselves
to see what it is they're doing that they can
evolve to the next level, because anyone should know at
this point we evolve over time. If we pour into ourselves,

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you can become that which you wish to be. So
I always say the best way to look at it,
there's someone that you look at and you see what
they're doing, and you think that's the path that you're
interested in. Think more in terms of I'm more inspired
than I am saying.

Speaker 6 (23:48):
I want to be them. I like what they do.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
I can appreciate their effort because trust me, they had
to work to get there too. Nobody and can you
speak to this too, Nobody like really materializes and to
being a star or a celebrity.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
There is always a backstory, by the way.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I don't know if we'll get to talking about that,
the reckoning on Netflix about Puffy Yeah but.

Speaker 6 (24:10):
No, but okay, but no.

Speaker 4 (24:12):
Let me just say something though, because there were parts
of that story age Aston that I didn't know about him,
and I look at.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
The beginnings versus where we've ended, right.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
So can you speak to like people who get into
this if I feel like, if someone wants to get
into following their creativity purely for the fame, I kind
of feel like they're setting themselves up for disappointment. Like
I don't feel like that's a reason. I could be
wrong for feeling that way, but I don't think that's
a reason that you should walk that path if all
you want is the notoriety.

Speaker 10 (24:40):
Of it, absolutely on percent. Before I answer that, do
I want to shout out the chat Unfortunately stream Yard
is not allowing me to like log in so I
can chat. But I'm gonna shout out about the guy,
Dave Guy.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I'm gonna put you up there there you go, go, Yeah, yeah, Jordan,
do you know Jordan Alliston?

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yep, yup?

Speaker 10 (25:00):
All right, shout out to uh invictis mster c CEO
and then Jester. I'm rocking with what Jester said about
the intro music that don't go hard. I was like, Man,
I want to make a record like that for somebody's intro,
so applaud whoever.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Made it or where you got it from.

Speaker 6 (25:16):
That was just a startup.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, trust me, I don't have your level of creativity
because if.

Speaker 10 (25:23):
I did, it would probably Well, let's talk about that.
We can talk about making some exclusives for you, miss
my sobs.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
I kind of hinted that when we first when we talked,
and I'm like, I think I need your services for something. Yes,
yes my podcast level absolutely, but no speak to like
when people like the comparison part is dangerous, but I
also feel that they're only pursuing.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
The notoriety and the fame.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Yeah, I suppose that could be a reason to want
to do something, but.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I agree with you.

Speaker 10 (25:54):
I think recently, maybe in another interview or conversation, I
was saying that I think it's okay to be on
your list right because you know, I don't want to
take it away from anyone's ambition of what they're trying
to reach.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
But something that I've realized recently.

Speaker 10 (26:16):
And like even before I was an artist, Right, I've
been watching the game since I was young, and I
love watching the interviews. You know Michael, you know he
back here, y'all see him, especially watching him and just
how he did what he did. But then't even go
into sports Michael Jordan again, I love my Chicago.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
I need to go to Chicago, liked, but are you sure?

Speaker 10 (26:44):
Shout out to the DMV, But Chicago, I think it's
my second home. But but watching MJ play ball and
his mentality about it, it was like, yo, you you
can have the ambition to get there, but when you
see what it's like when you cannot live a normal life, right,

(27:10):
I don't know. It just hit me more recently, like
I don't think people like the one, especially artist that
I've run into.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I want a million fans, I want to be a star,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 10 (27:20):
And it's like, bruh, are you are you in a
space to handle what comes with that?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Right?

Speaker 10 (27:29):
Because I believe everyone is Everyone's experience if they get
to that level is going to be different. However, history
tells us we've seen enough people break under pressure, fold
under pressure.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
It just overwhelmed them.

Speaker 10 (27:46):
And I think a lot of it from my perspective,
is not having systems in place. I think that bit
you talked about of like knowing yourself and growing and
all of that I think is a huge part of
it too. But then I also know that like that
celebrity growth is like when it comes, it's I mean,

(28:12):
it's fire, right, And so I feel like I want
people to be careful when they say that, not taking
away from their vision, what they see, what they know.
But I think it is a little loose people, you know,
a little loose with saying that, because I feel like
a lot of them can't handle it. Like, bro, you

(28:32):
can't even handle the space and success you're in now,
and it shows if you're really watching. And again, the
music might be great, but your leadership is off right.
And those are the things that I look at now,
like even personally, maya, I'm like in any relationship, I

(28:53):
look at things more so now like, oh, I know
when things are great, people going show the best selves, right,
Like we know how to have fun, we know how
to enjoy ourselves. But I'm looking at when stuff is bad,
when you're struggling, when I'm struggling, when whatever the case
is like, how what's your character like?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Then talk to me and let me see that.

Speaker 10 (29:14):
And I think that's what happens with a lot of artists,
especially when that growth in themselves is not ready.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
That's what the pressure ends up breaking them.

Speaker 10 (29:24):
Not so much they can't handle it, but they just
don't have the systems. They don't have the depth, they
don't have the awareness to be like, yo, I want
to be able to handle this. So as I'm growing,
I'm implementing new things I'm doing, I'm working with the
right people that's going to help in this area that area,
and of course we got to have a therapist on

(29:47):
call at all times.

Speaker 6 (29:50):
I love this Jester eight sixteen.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Soas not having systems, real community, personal knowledge of self,
see that piece right there, and discipline around your craft
that piece right there, and values plus fame is an
other combination. And I feel like that's spot on, and
that was something that I would speak to in therapy.
The bottom line is when you don't have personal knowledge
of self, when you want to move in and circles

(30:14):
and spears like entertainment, it is so easy to get
lost and to become something else or someone else, or
get lost altogether. I mean, we hear the stories all
the time about entertainers. Eventually, when they make it, sometimes
they'll come back and talk about, you know, the hardships,
but also the exploitation that can sit there. If you

(30:36):
can't walk away from something because the fame means more,
yep than the how.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
You value you.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
You may not be in the right line of work
because that could be a dangerous place to be.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
That's right.

Speaker 10 (30:48):
Shout out, that's my girl, Jess, what's yeah? That that's
and I think that's the part that again, this mindset
of creative are leaders. I want people to think about
when they say they want to be an artist, they
want to have the success as a producer, they want

(31:08):
to be on stage, Like why are.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
We waiting to get that intact?

Speaker 10 (31:12):
If and when it happens like that, right, you need
to act like that now?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Right? And I think that just.

Speaker 10 (31:20):
Helps the almost said, the rehearse of it, but the
practice of moving right, Because that's another aspect that I
want to help create us with is you know, now
you can you can go viral, but nobody know what
to do after that?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Right. It's like right, it's like I want to go viral.
I want to get you know, dismin and then.

Speaker 10 (31:47):
Okay, you get it, dope, applaud you respect, But now
what and nobody really knows? Or my favorite one, I
want to get signed, you know, I want to be
on a label.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
And it's just like all right, like my first question,
like you know that's alone, right.

Speaker 6 (32:04):
Like just okay, say it again, it's alone.

Speaker 10 (32:10):
If you get an advance from a label, it's alone.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Right.

Speaker 10 (32:13):
And I say that because once I hear it a lot,
hear it a lot again, I don't want to knock
nobody's vision and dream. But again, are you set up
to pay that money back?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Right? Are you?

Speaker 10 (32:30):
You?

Speaker 7 (32:30):
You?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
What's the word? Gosh? My fall? Again to me?

Speaker 10 (32:36):
But are you making plans in the right way when
you get that advance?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Are you using it wisely?

Speaker 10 (32:43):
Regardless of how much you get, I don't care if
you've got one hundred grand, fifty grand, two million, whatever
your deal is, you have to pay it back. So
why would you spend an excessive amount on stuff that
really doesn't matter?

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Right? When you got this project to make that has
to sell, right, And just like just thinking about stuff
like that to me is where artists, creators fail. You know,
even as a content creator, you know, there's I know
it looks so easy, right, and I want to do

(33:20):
this and I want to do that. Blah blah blah.
There's a system to how.

Speaker 10 (33:24):
They have to work or we work, right, and then
when you are getting income from your streams and your views, partnerships, let's.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Talk about that. Partnerships is not but relationships, yes.

Speaker 10 (33:36):
Right, just because it's professional versus you know, person, it's
still a relationship.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And I think people jack that up too right.

Speaker 10 (33:46):
Again, but they talk about oh I want this, I
want that, I want that, and don't have a plan
or system in place or not even thinking about it
because they're like, oh well, I can wait until and
oftentimes from my point of view, it's too late. It's
too late, and then it's it usually takes a lot

(34:06):
more to kind of get back two. I won't even
say back to where you was, but just back right.
But shout out to those that do it, because you
know that's the growth that was needed to have happened,
you know, to implement these new systems.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
No, And I think, I mean that's all spot on
tell people about because you've said so many things and
I do believe that, especially like right now, to be
creative in this current climate of entertainment has a lot
of unique opportunities that I would say didn't exist twenty
years ago. Yeah, the fact, you know, we can always
say how much we hate the Internet at times or

(34:43):
social media times, if you use it the right way,
the idea of being signed, you don't necessarily need that,
like you just said, because you could still have a
global presence.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
In a way that you know you're not taking direction.

Speaker 4 (34:56):
Because remember, and you can probably speak to this way
better than I can, because I think about the likes
of groups like TLC and you know New Addition, and
you hear those stories about they were the same people
who wanted to be signed. They were creatives, they had talent,
and they all all pretty much walked away with nothing
because people took things from them because and some people

(35:17):
that they thought they could trust, by the way, f YI,
they thought they could trust, took from them because they
didn't truly understand the nature of the business itself. And
I think that's the piece. If you decide you want
to put your toe into this pond as a creative,
I think you have to be well rounded, which makes me.

Speaker 6 (35:33):
Believe this is where you have evolved.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
To tell people the journey of where you started and
how you got to where you are.

Speaker 10 (35:40):
Yeah, man, like girl, you preaching, you preaching, But yeah,
I it's so funny because Jasin Artist is my first
and middle name. Shout out to my dad and my
grandfather whom I've never met, but artist is my mental name.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Right.

Speaker 10 (36:03):
I never thought that I would be a professional creative
at all.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
I was sold on computers.

Speaker 10 (36:10):
I wanted to be a programmer, and you know, being
an eighties baby, right, I'm on a cusp of what
was and was about to happen, and I just didn't
love c plus. Plus, I could not really get into programming,
and I switched to English because I was good at it.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I wrote poetry growing up.

Speaker 10 (36:31):
I loved English, but it was still kind of casual,
and I was just a fan of music. But when
I look back, I find that I was around so
many people who were in the music industry or in entertainment.
You know, I have some family members in the music business,
one of which was done big and great things working

(36:54):
with Jay Z in the early days to I think
submit his place to Kanye. You know, my uncle he
worked at MTV. He worked at the radio station for
twenty some years. So I'm I'm around these people, and
I'm like, yeah, it's dope, but I don't I don't
see myself really doing anything. And then I remember even

(37:17):
some friends who would send me music, you know, shout
out to my guy Chris. He was making music on
the PlayStation and he would send me his beats like
I was and R and then and he would the
first thing he was saying, Jay, tell me, like what
you think?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
What you think about this? And so once I got to.

Speaker 10 (37:41):
Maybe my junior year, shout out to my friend Jared.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
We were neighborhood.

Speaker 10 (37:46):
Homies and you couldn't see him without me, and vice versa.
He played le Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven. He played it
so many times, but this one particular day it changed
my life. I wanted to play guitar. I asked my mom.
She said no, but shout out to my uncle Joe
and aunt Carolyn. They got me a guitar for my

(38:08):
graduation and I started playing at North Plinea A and t.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
State University Aggie Pride.

Speaker 10 (38:14):
Shout out to all my aggies in HBCUs, and I
started teaching myself and that was the part that was like, yo,
I really love this. Let me see if I can
write a song, because you know, I wrote poetry been
published at a young age. Shout out to my mom

(38:34):
for making that happen. But I said, it's got to
be like the same thing, so let me just try it.
I tried it and fell in love with the process.
And then that's when I went to the libraries on
library at Tea and I started looking up. You know,
this is kind of what you said earlier. I was
looking up and reading about songwriting and the business, and

(38:57):
I found that songwriting on the creative side, I was
like where the money was right, and so I was
just focused on, let me be a songwriter. I wanted
to be behind the scenes songwriter, producer. Of course, I
didn't have the resources to pay anybody to do anything.

(39:18):
So that's how I learned how to engineer, and I
fell in love with that process. So everything was really.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Just by.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
Having that feeling going after it and saying, look, I'm
committed to this, I'm going to do this. And I
think about eight or nine years in, I just hear
her guys speak to me and say, I want you
to be an artist, and.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'm like, I don't want to do that.

Speaker 10 (39:42):
I felt like there was a, like you said, the
role model aspect, because that was definitely during the time
you heard that often in entertainment, role models, role models,
if you do this, your role model. And I saw
that and it wasn't so much. I didn't want to
be a role model. I just didn't think I was
an artist. Me being obedient, I said, all right, guy, like,

(40:03):
I'll do it. And that's that was like fifteen years ago.
Twelve albums, singles, and you know, over the years and
performing in places I never thought I would. So I
didn't really have a I'm going to be artists when I,
you know, get out of high school or college or whatever.
I was pure about being a writer, an editorial writer

(40:24):
because my BA was in English, professional English.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Let me make that correction.

Speaker 10 (40:31):
And yeah, So to me, it was just one of
those things you find out by way of doing it
that man, and I for me, I found I had
a purpose in it, you know, and that changed. I mean,
I didn't have the perception I want to be you know,
a hey, listen, celebrity artist. You know I want I
didn't ever say that, but when I found that I

(40:53):
had purpose in it, and then seeing how that purpose
has changed, or maybe finding out other ways purpose I
should say probably it was like, oh yeah, like I
see the vision. God has shown me the places he
wants to take me. But I had no plans to
be where I am today, and it feels pretty dope overall,

(41:16):
and I still want more.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
There you go, I still want more.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
But you're you're building, You're building the path and in fact,
everything you just said is such an embodiment of why
I decided to do what I call the Ambition shows.

Speaker 6 (41:28):
Of course, this is episode eighty two.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Let's talk fostering leadership through music with speaker and musician
justin Artists, which, by the way, what I love is
You're like, it's my first name and my middle name.
I have the same thing. My first name is Maya.
My meddle name is a Kai. People will often ask me,
is that your last name?

Speaker 6 (41:44):
Like no, people who know me, ye, people who know
me no better.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
But I was like, no, it's my name though it's
it's a government name, it's all.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
My birth certificates.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
You know. I love that, But you said something that
is why I decided to do the ambition shows I
would do my podcast. And don't get me wrong, I'm
sure people you know, they just don't really want to
hear about mental health necessarily. I am so trying to
normalize the conversation for people because it is an everyday
activity that you experience, even if you don't want to. Sure,
it's the thing that drives the ship. So when your

(42:15):
mental health is not good, the rest of your life
is going to reflect it back to you. But sometimes
people just don't know that at the point. But the
reason I created the Ambition Shows is exactly what you
just said. It's when a person discovers their passion and
it intersects with their purpose and they push it forward

(42:36):
with like motivation because they're ambitious. And I felt like
if I bring people to the table who can share
their stories about hey, there's a lot of people who've
pushed through adversity because guess what, being successful isn't easy.
Anybody who's made it, they've had to struggle. I mean
unless they were maybe born with a silver spoon in
their mouth, generally speaking, and it's not easy to get

(42:57):
to the top of the mountain. It requires work and
there are times I wonder just and if people realize
how much work goes into things. There's one of my
favorite sayings, and another thing I have on my wall
in my office says it's a quote by Thomas Edison.
They were asking about, you know, when he finally got to,
you know, his final version of a light bulb, which,
by the way, we're.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Still using people. You know, he made a lot of errors.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
In fact, he made ten thousand different versions before he
got to the final product of the light bulb that
we know. And when someone asked him about it, he said,
I didn't make ten thousand mistakes. I figured out ten
thousand ways not to do something. It is through making
mistakes and error that we improve and we grow and
and that person you aspire to be can evolve from that.

(43:42):
But when people struggle with the idea that imperfection is
part of being human, it is part of our DNA
as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
You know, And when you.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Can embrace that, like what Jessica said, I loved it,
that part about you have to be connected and know
yourself and your values in this world, because if you don't,
you will find yourself wandering aimlessly under other people's design.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Girl, You know, now this is what I call a
domin nugget.

Speaker 10 (44:11):
Okay, what you just said, I think his home in
so many ways, and I hope I'm not losing it
right now because I feel like I'm about.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
To forget it.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
But you made apostle too.

Speaker 10 (44:27):
The knowing yourself part, I think goes so unnoticed and
oftentimes in my experience, you know, living you know, as
an independent an r working with the artists, meeting artists
of all levels, backgrounds, genres, whatever, Man, I get the

(44:52):
challenge of why certain things they feel about music now,
about social media, you know, being thinking, you know, I'm
a leader, being a business like all these things, because.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
They don't know themselves.

Speaker 10 (45:07):
And that's a big part of what I bring because
I know myself. I spent and continue to spend time
with myself to know myself. But I will shout out
one of the greatest artists, laurn Hill, because during a
depression at ANTI, I listened to her Unplugged album and

(45:31):
it changed my life. Like still to this day, I
hear certain songs and I can go bust in the
like I almost want to cry right now, Like because
she was talking about things of knowing yourself, and I
think I know, because I kind of lost myself, but
I'm it's come back. Yeah, yeah, but just I think

(45:58):
we don't want to. But it's a must that you
have to disconnect from what you grew up in to
figure out what you want and what you believe in, right,
I think obviously it's a hard thing to do. Shout
out to parents, right, you know, whether you're biological or not,

(46:19):
but shout out to all the parents. However, you got
to know yourself enough and recognize this, like, man, this
ain't I don't know about this ain't right? Or man,
you know what, like that's cool, but I don't think
that's what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Right, And I did that and it.

Speaker 10 (46:37):
Cast some discord and it you know, I ain't gonna lie.
It's some hellless moments for me. But as they say,
I stand on business, and I'm so glad that I
had that. Dare I say, ambition, motivation, yes, yes, site

(47:01):
like all of that, And I was lucky that I
had these things happen early. I'm talking like seven, eight nine.
Then when I meeting in high school, I'm starting to
see things, understand things a little bit differently. By the
time I get to college and I changed my major
literally a month or two months in. It opened up
a whole world to me. Of like, I appreciate what

(47:21):
my mom did. I appreciate the little at the time
that I got to see if my dad, but I
got to do this on my own, and I accept
whatever happens the way it happens.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
But I have to be proud of.

Speaker 10 (47:35):
What I choose to do that may be different from
what my mom taught.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Or expected me to do.

Speaker 10 (47:42):
And you find even now grown people by age, not
by maturity what you mean, they don't know. And I
think because of the type of person I am, I'm
able to pick up on that. And so when I say,
like I'm helping you find your voice with your craft,

(48:03):
I mean honestly, a lot of times it's the person
you really got nothing to do with music, right Like,
so it's it's a beauty, but again it's I think
it's something that people must do and the earlier the better.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
But as you know, God's tom Yes, God's thiming.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
So you know, and you said something that you I
mean again, you preach you did it too.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
Can I can I get one from the choir? Okay?

Speaker 10 (48:26):
Yes, yes, I just wanted to shout out real quick?

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Is it as love?

Speaker 10 (48:31):
Come on now, you're about to make me cry, okay,
because I gotta find peace of mind is the song
that's my top one, and Mister Tititional is the classic.
Mister is a classic. And then what about I Get Out?
That's another one that hit me like you did.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
So that's what my listeners over there going, yeah, yeah,
you know, but it's rare that I find anybody that
be like, yeah, I.

Speaker 10 (48:56):
Love that album because everybody.

Speaker 6 (49:00):
There's your one right there, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Oh yeah, music, Like I have to say, her music
acumen is solid.

Speaker 6 (49:10):
It's solid. I'm gonna have to give her that. Okay,
I'm sure I will hear about that later down the road.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
But you said some things that I think are important,
especially because I think what people don't realize and what
you just said is you can be a creative, but
if you have lost yourself in translation, your creativity is
never going to rise.

Speaker 6 (49:26):
To the top like that.

Speaker 10 (49:27):
Absolutely, So when you talk.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
About one of the things I say to people, and
it sounds very cliche, but it's true. The most important
relationship you have in this world outside of a higher power,
if that's your thing, is the relationship you have with yourself.
And I always explain to people that one of the
things that you're gonna learn, especially when you start doing
the work on you. Whether you're doing it in therapy,
I don't care how you do it. We're in a

(49:49):
self help book, listen to other podcasts, whatever it is
that however you're pouring into you, you're gonna find that
a lot of the narratives that you have carried forward
with you and your brother wherever you are in your
you know, maturation journey, do not resonate with you. And
I always tell people a lot of your values that
were given to you by your parents does not mean
you're gonna keep every single one of them, if any
of them if it does not work, and that's okay,

(50:11):
because you're discovering you. I always say self discovery from
birth until you really have a better idea is like
a submarine. Submarine moves through the ocean seamlessly. It has
all of these tools that helps it navigate, you know,
and it has an idea what's happening around it. But
to see what's happening on the surface, they got to

(50:32):
put up the periscope. But even when they look through
the periscope, it's still a very limited view as they're
turning around. Now when they're looking, they can't see the
whole picture until the submarine rises to the surface and
they open the door and they step out and.

Speaker 6 (50:46):
They look around.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Come on, now, that's.

Speaker 6 (50:49):
What maturation is like.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Until you get a chance to rise to the surface
and see the world through your own eyes and not
through a periscope, through a lens, through somebody else's lens,
you'll never understand your talent. You know your potential, but
more importantly, you will miss a million opportunities because you're
looking through these real small leans.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Yep, I got to go around applause. I'll be just
the sound effects of that one. That's that's a divend
nugget there too.

Speaker 10 (51:18):
So let me ask you.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
So, there's a lot that goes into wanting to be
creative the self. I like the fact that you let
them know if you're not focused on you as a
person and being, you know, really working on you, because
that's part of your creativity. The creativity probably doesn't flow
like it should. So people can come to you and
you have a host.

Speaker 6 (51:35):
Of things that you can work with them.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
So when they come to you and say, Okay, Jackson,
I want to be I want to be the next Glorilla.
I'm just throwing some randomly. Her name popped in my
head for some reason. I have any one.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
I'm a loose fan. She's growing on me.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
You know, I'm old to take you well, I got
to get used to the nastiness.

Speaker 6 (51:55):
Girls, I'm talking like that, and I'm like, okay, I'm old.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
But someone and they come with you with that particular
like I want to be like that.

Speaker 6 (52:04):
How do you work with the person? Where do you start?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Mmmm?

Speaker 10 (52:09):
Well, the first thing is assessment of how do they
see themselves? So, you know I learned in this masterclass
course era like let's let's do a form and find
out who you think you are and where you are, right,
I guess, you know, also being an educator and even

(52:30):
spending time in mental health as a paraprofessional. You know,
I kind of go back to some of these things
and tactics of really figuring out what people, who people
are and what they really want. And you know, as
they say, if you can't write it, then you know
what I mean, I don't know, you might need to
go back to the drawing board. So the form is

(52:53):
just laid out in a way that lets me know
your numbers, what you know, who you are, you genre,
and then your goals now and then in the future
if I feel like it's a fit and I'm looking
at more mindset than just talent, right, because like everybody
named Mama can sing rap like whatever, right, and you know,

(53:17):
it just is what it is, right, So that doesn't
excite me as much anymore, right, or a good song
or a great song. It's about your approach to what
you're doing and where you are in terms of your growth,
and if I feel like I can help, if I

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feel like you know, all these things can come together
at least based off of the brief interaction initially the form.
Then we meet and then if that energy and synergy
is good, then it's really because every person is is
is tailored differently in terms of like where I start, right.
So some what someone might say I want to be

(54:00):
like glow, right, and let's just say they have one
song out, It's like, okay, well we gotta make some
content like like this one song is cool, but we
we gotta really figure out your sound first, right, And
so it really is like that type of person is like, well,
we have to.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
Really develop your sound and who you are.

Speaker 10 (54:23):
But let's say it's someone who's uh, maybe they have
to two album EPs out. Some singles got little buzzed
locally and it's like, Okay, I see you have some structure.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I see you.

Speaker 10 (54:35):
Have some some some commitment, right, professionalism, and hopefully and
obviously some some leadership going on. Right, So then it's
just about, well, what's the best plan for what's next,
but being really detailed about what that looks like. And
I think the biggest thing is setting the expectations. I'm

(54:55):
always I got to sec expectation, so I don't want
nobody saying.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Nothing to me later, you know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (55:03):
And I'm ready to say, well, I told you in
the beginning, right this, this don't happen overnight.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Right.

Speaker 10 (55:10):
You mentioned that earlier, And I think I don't know
who I've heard this so many times, but the blow
up that most people see took about ten to twelve
and maybe longer years. But people see this one song like,
let's take from me, exam, I got twelve hours. I'm
about to work on my thirteenth. The thirteenth might be

(55:30):
the one that everybody might know my name, right, but
for me, that doesn't stop me. The fact that not
many know my name doesn't stop me from continuing to
do what I'm called to do and the way that
I'm called to do it right. So I think that's
probably one of the biggest expectations is it's like, Yo,
whatever you're trying to reach, whoever you're trying to model after,

(55:54):
it's a process. It is a process, and you cannot
rush it. Because one of the things that I told
myself when I was committed, I said, God, I feel
like you've given me a talent that I did not
know I had in music, even being a band geek
and all shout out to my band geeks, but don't
give it to me early, because I don't want to
lose it. I don't want to be like so many

(56:16):
people I've seen, and respectfully because it's all different, but
I don't want to get what you have for me
and then lose it, you.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Know, especially on some.

Speaker 10 (56:27):
I didn't know myself or you know, I was at
the ditty party, but I ain't leave when I knew
I should have left, like you know, like those type
of things sound crazy and funny.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
But it's the truth.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
It's the truth.

Speaker 10 (56:39):
Always get a warning, yes, you know right from wrong, yes,
and follow it. But if you don't be prepared for
the consequences that may come with that. And those are
the type of things that I naturally give through you know, consulting, coaching,
educating specifically where an artist is at that point.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
So it sounds like, so this sounds like you you
wrap this in a nut show. Is that what a
in our pocket is?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah? And are in the pocket is really just like.

Speaker 10 (57:10):
My ecosystem of one making things easier for me, okay,
with services that I provide and building a professional, independent
network of people in each area of music, right because
I think, you know, everybody wants to chase being a
celebrity or chase I want to work with Taylor, I
want to work with Beyonce or whatever. And I'm like, bruh,

(57:33):
you got a tailor Beyonce, Kendrick Drake, the Chili Peppers,
who like you got somebody right next to you, but
you're worried about working with such and such, Right, So
I believe that in the same way in all of
these areas of the music business, from you know, strategy

(57:53):
with social media.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Marketing, pr what have you, but and are in a part.
It is really the support to not be by yourself, right.

Speaker 10 (58:06):
I think one thing I learned early in my early
years or heard was that it only takes one person
to believe in you. And I feel like I'm that
person if the synergy is right and all of that
and we work, I'm that person that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Wants to get you to where you're trying to go.

Speaker 10 (58:23):
And my even when and if that passes what I
have done, because I don't care.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yes, there's a healthy jealousy of like dang.

Speaker 10 (58:31):
Like I wish, I wish I could do what you know,
like I told them what I did for me and
like look at them, they look at me, and I'm like,
dang man. But it's never like this, hey, or you know,
that jealousy, that negativity. I can't can't be involved in
that energy. And if I ever felt it, I would

(58:52):
talk about it to to you know, rectify it. But
but yeah, I want I want people to be to
feel like, you know, they might be independent, but they're
not alone, right, And so I'm just building these systems
for myself to work easier, work with other collaborators to
help me do projects, and then you know, next year,
I'm finally trying to drop my leadership program Artists pro

(59:16):
lab so to really like dive in to helping people
right where they are, small group setting, you know, virtually,
and you know, build that mindset up. Because everything we're
talking about, whether you're a beginner or you know, you're
smelling yourself. I think there's areas of improvement right and

(59:41):
I want to be able to teach what I've learned
over the years and also learn in real time and
figure out how that might fit my or how that
might fit Jess, or how that might.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Fit so and so.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
So.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
You know, as you talk about this and how you've
liked just evolved in your own way, it ntally makes
me think a lot about older artists like James Brown
and Aretha Franklin. They were some of the most stupid
business people. Like they had some things they would do,
like you pay me up front when I get that
up perform, you give me my money, Like they didn't

(01:00:18):
take any like, oh, sure, you'll pay me after because
they realized that at that point when we're talking about
when people had to really hustle to move their talent
and creativity because there was no internet, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
You know, radio was the big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
And if you know, if you managed to get a
record pressed for all people like record, what's the record?

Speaker 7 (01:00:39):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:00:39):
Yeah? That thing back on his wall, that's called a
record for y'all. WO don't know what that is. But
they really had to work hard. They had to be
the talent and the business person.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
And what I have found is when that kind of
mindset left because more alleged opportunity came than people were
managing people. That's where I felt like artists started to
lose themselves because they thought the business part was no
longer important, but it really was.

Speaker 10 (01:01:06):
Yeah, you said something earlier about knowing like all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
The facets of the business. That's how I approached it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It's like I don't want to be a know it all,
but I want to know a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:01:19):
About everything, yes, right, and even you know, twenty plus
years and just a couple of years ago, I realized, Man,
there's so many rabbit holes in our industry.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yes, and I know I want to go that.

Speaker 10 (01:01:33):
Deep, right, like I just there's certain areas like I'll
take engineering for instance. I love creating sound and doing
all of what audio engineering is, right, but man, the
rabbit hole goes deep. I don't want to learn all
that take copyright and royalties. Man, Just in recent years

(01:01:54):
I was just like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Even know all of this. I want to go that deep.

Speaker 10 (01:01:59):
But I'm a where you're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Where, right, and now I can.

Speaker 10 (01:02:03):
I can do things for myself differently, but I can
also help you, know the fellow artist, especially the ones
that are like early right, like, let me teach you
now what your protocols and mindset should be about certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Then you learn it later and learn it the hard way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
So yeah, that's you're right, And it is an industry
that has so many rabbit holes that you can't know everything.
But I appreciate the fact you're like, but make yourself
as knowledgeable as you can be. And if you happen
to make a mistake or make a wrong turn, don't
sit there and just soak over it. Figure out what
went wrong so you don't make that mistake. But make

(01:02:41):
it a learning a learning like a learning moment for you.
Because a lot of people like when they fail at something,
they get really down on themselves. It's like, okay, so
you failed, Guess what it's part of life, but it's
also the thing that teaches us how to do something better,
because if you don't make.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
A mistake, you really don't grow.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
You kind of get stagnant if everything is just always perfect.
Challenge I always tell people is pushing you out your
comfort zone, and it's what you do with it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
Either you can choose to embrace it or you can
choose to pull back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
Because I think what a lot of people often get
afraid of is the idea of failure. But it's part
of our landscape, and it's like, change is normal. Whenever
people say I hate change, I said why, They're like,
I don't know. I was like, we have been conditioned
to think that change is a bad thing, that it's
supposed to be difficult or hard.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
It's a shift. If you look at the dictionary, it's pretty.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Much just a shift, is what it is. How you
decide to move with it is going to be up
to you. So when I was like, you know, after
we had our initial meeting, I went and Doug and
listen to your music, and now he's all on your
stuff mine. You can find him everywhere. You can probably
find him under your full plank and your house. When
I say you're on every platform, I mean I was

(01:03:48):
down there.

Speaker 6 (01:03:49):
You notice I have shared you know, how to fire you.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
But this is this is just the iceberg, the tip
of it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:54):
He is everywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I mean musically because you got your stuff there. But
one of the things I noticed and I really liked
was you had I think a playlist for men.

Speaker 6 (01:04:01):
Did I see that?

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:04:03):
Modivational kind of and I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Always like guid of meditations?

Speaker 6 (01:04:07):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
What made you kind of come up with I loved it,
By the way, what made you come up with that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:04:13):
Well, I've always uh meditated and you know, just had
an understanding of again of self in the in the
many ways to do that, you know, starting back to
like just martial arts, right, but you know, being a
voiceover artist and really going after it. I was auditioning

(01:04:35):
like maybe two or three jobs, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
It was geared to more guided meditations.

Speaker 10 (01:04:40):
And I think, you know, for me, with my health,
my chronic health with fibro and fibromyalgia for those that
don't know the shorthand GI stuff, trauma surgeries, near death
experiences like the last few years, I've had to really
up my game and get more consistent with mentay. And

(01:05:01):
so between that the audition, I said, hold up, and
you know I've been getting this sense probably I said,
I'll do music right, like you have such a nice voice,
like you should, you know, you should do something, And
I'm like, all right, And so I said, you know what, well,
So the auditions were for guided meditations. That was really

(01:05:24):
how I like got to hear my voice in a
different way and me being me, the mindset that I have,
the leadership, you know, vision that I have, and the
polymath that I am. I said, wait a minute, I
should do guided meditations again another ream of a stream

(01:05:44):
of revenue.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
But how can I be different?

Speaker 10 (01:05:48):
Because I have the voice, I can make the music right.
But I don't want to just like I'm never just
that's not me. I don't want to just do it
just to do it right. I want to really help someone.
And so again, you know, I know my black males
we struggle with vulnerability with you know, doing things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Outside of just providing and.

Speaker 10 (01:06:14):
Watching sports, like let's just be real, right, And I
represent the opposite of that, right, like you mentioned in
my music The Love of Darkness one and two, I've
always been vulnerable, but I took it to a whole
nother level.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
And so I think after the last audition, I.

Speaker 10 (01:06:33):
Just said, you know, I didn't get it or any
of them, but it pushed me like, yo, let me
try this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
And those are really the ones that that I did.
So I did a.

Speaker 10 (01:06:43):
General one and then I did one for black males
because I know as a black man and as a man,
I have men.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Who some stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:06:52):
Boy, right, So I know I'm not the only one
you're not, And I know it might even be a
challenge for fellas to like, I ain't listening to no
other dude like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
You know, right, Just some maturity has to come with that. Yes,
what we're using? What am I app am I using?

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Now?

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
Like the last two years, I've been on balance. I
went from calm to balance, and I really like balance.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Better for me.

Speaker 10 (01:07:19):
And one of the voices is gentleman, and I just
love his voice. It did take a second for me
to kind of just you know, get used to a
male tone, right, But.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Once you get over all of that.

Speaker 10 (01:07:33):
Stuff, because I don't want disrespectivebody and how they see
it as of now. But once you get over that,
you can sink into it and it is super helpful.
So I said, why not let me do that, you know,
for myself. So that's where I'm starting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
I loved it, and I know some people like whenever
I recommend meditation, like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:51):
I owe any meditation, I'm like, okay, can get it
work up.

Speaker 4 (01:07:55):
Like it doesn't work and you don't do it, I'm like,
you can't do it once and think all of a sudden,
your problem is mindfulness is an everyday activity. I keep
telling people this, but I liked yours because I felt
like I have some people that your meditation will resonate
with them. I just feel like it's different than most
stuff out there. I was like, oh, I know, I
got some people that are actually going to really like

(01:08:15):
your meditation.

Speaker 10 (01:08:16):
So share it please, because it's it's another Yeah, it's
another way that again purposefully, I feel I can help
and I want to help folks like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You as therapists.

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
And I don't know what the other word is, but
those that do meditations and guided meditations and yogan those
type of things.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I want to find more people and give that side
because recently, what I've heard.

Speaker 10 (01:08:49):
It's not really like the stuff that we hear is
not really made by people like me right, And I
don't just mean that as a black man, but just
a creative, a creative and so I'm like, man, this this,
you know, just you know, exclusive exclusive. I'm even thinking
of doing like like a lo Fi type guided meditation

(01:09:12):
because you know a lot of people listen to lo fi,
Like Lofi is booming even more now. But I was like,
maybe I should do a mess of that instead of
the typical right, you know sounds that we hear.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
I definitely like that. That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:27):
No, I definitely think a lot of people are gonna
like it. I'm gonna recommend it. It's fantastic, loved it
all right. So as we wrap up the show, any
parting thoughts or words for the listeners that you kind
of want to leave, Like, what's that last thing you
want to drop that you want them to pick up?

Speaker 10 (01:09:41):
Mm?

Speaker 6 (01:09:43):
Man, no pressure.

Speaker 10 (01:09:45):
Yeah, right, Well, first, let me just say thank you
for having you. It's been an amazing conversation and things
that I don't feel like I really get to talk
about so much publicly, okay, but but absolutely want to.
As you can see, I ain't scared to talk about nothing.
So you've done the work, yeah, and still and still

(01:10:08):
doing it right, and I just love your energy and
your perspective, even though it's very accommodating or complimentary to
what I already think. But I learned a lot even
on this side, and so I just want to say
thank you. Yeah. Oh so many things I can say,

(01:10:30):
but let's see where I start and then we'll see
where I end. Right, Okay, So I want to talk
to the person. I think one big thing that we
talked about today is the knowing yourself and the self growth,
and especially for my fellas, please don't discredit your feelings

(01:10:50):
and what you're going through, because it's real, regardless of
what anyone tells you. I remember I was told that,
you know, at a young age to kind of like
suck it up, like you know, be strong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
And I will tell you.

Speaker 10 (01:11:08):
The dopest flex and the dopest strength is being vulnerable,
period point blank. You don't have to listen to my music.
You don't have to, you know, listen to my interviews
you don't like, but just know the biggest flex.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Is being vulnerable and being honest.

Speaker 10 (01:11:26):
For me, that is the only way the true growth
and the core the roots of what you're dealing with
and how you overcome, tame, change, evolve is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Going to happen. You don't got to be tough man,
you know.

Speaker 10 (01:11:43):
And for fellas listening, please reach out, you know, if
you're going through something. I mean, honestly, I've been through
it all, going through it all, right, I think, not
just for myself, as they say, but to help other people.
And so my my one of my concerns is, you know,

(01:12:05):
seeing brothers people, you know, the suicide or hurting themselves
or whatever, and I feel like oftentimes they don't really
have to they do because they keep it in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
And so I say to.

Speaker 10 (01:12:20):
You, don't keep it in. If you want music that
is going to help you grow, help you think, not
just a vibe to be, then please go to jazzon
artist dot com. Listen to listen to the music.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:12:34):
Start with love and darkness one and two for sure,
because I talk about a lot of things that we
talk about.

Speaker 9 (01:12:40):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:42):
And then yeah, continue to be you.

Speaker 10 (01:12:44):
I think that's another one that I think, going into
twenty twenty six, people are still kind of afraid to
be themselves. And it's a journey, don't get me wrong, Yes,
but once you can really disconnect from some things and
some people. Yes, you can start to really understand do
you do you as you is dope? There you go,

(01:13:08):
let me say that you is dope and I leave
it at that. I think everything else they gotta play
a bad.

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
Yeah, you got it, you got it, and you know what.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
This is enoughly gonna be an episode worth sharing as
well as maybe we're listening to for some people because
the message doesn't always jump out.

Speaker 6 (01:13:25):
At you right in the midst of it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
But you have said so many things that I think
people can truly relate to. And it's important from a
creative's mind about leadership, but you understand leadership is also
about the human condition and.

Speaker 6 (01:13:38):
What you do.

Speaker 4 (01:13:39):
Absolutely all right, everyone, this has been episode eighty two.
Let's talk fostering leadership and we talk so much more
through music with speaker and of course musician Jasin artists.
So you can learn more about Jostin. I'm gonna tell
you go to the website because it's everything is like
right there, so pretty much you just visit www. Dot

(01:14:01):
Jasin his name artist with an extras I do believe
dot com or is it just no extra ar dot com?

Speaker 6 (01:14:09):
You can check it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Of course I would also tell you get social, so
go to the social media platforms Facebook, TikTok x at
Jasin Artists and YouTube at j artist project Almos.

Speaker 10 (01:14:24):
I'm sorry, we're not no longer using that YouTube, so
go to at the Jastin Artists th.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Artists.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Okay, and it does sound like too though, But if
they were to go to your I always say sometimes
just going to people's website because you have a really
really good website. For your website, you know pretty much
has like every link, so if you've changed it up
the link, they click on the links at the top
of your page and pretty much everything is there and
it makes it so much easier to kind of to
find you. Well, I have to say, I have absolutely

(01:14:57):
enjoyed that this might have been the funnest.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
I'm done in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
I'm serious, Like, this was just so natural and fun
and you are just a joy to talk to and
you're such an amazing person. So thank you for being
a guest on my podcast.

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
I knew your future.

Speaker 4 (01:15:12):
It was some applause, all right, everybody that is Jasin
Artist such an amazing person. Can I just tell everybody
you know I bring people on. I'm gonna keep saying
this because they can bring something to the table that
gives a richness to the experience, and I think so

(01:15:33):
often people miss that piece. And this is why I
don't want it just to come for me. Now you've
heard it from other people about how powerful things can
really be. What that being said, the next guest is
just going to be is equally. I think you're gonna
walk away with some interesting things, even if you are not.
I'm gonna say this a reality TV person. Our next guest,
and by the way, these are an out of sequence

(01:15:54):
is just episode seventy eight. But we had to reschedule
her because they are actually actively filming The Bell colle
and so she had a schedule conflict and we had
to reschedule her. But coming on Monday at two pm
is Letitia Pearson. She is a reality star and author.
But she's the creator of the Bell Collective that airs
on the own network, Oprah's Network.

Speaker 6 (01:16:14):
I'm sure you know.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
But she's also the founder of the Women's Brunch Foundation,
which is all about empowerment for women. She's going to
be a very powerful guest right now. They're in the
sixth season. This is the thing that kind of blew
my mind about this. They're into the sixth season of
The Bell Collective and I was like, Letitia, I've never
heard of this show before.

Speaker 6 (01:16:31):
I was like, how are you?

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Six seasons in? It airs on Friday's seven Central eight
pm Eastern, obviously in the own network, and I actually
dove in and started to watch it, and I'm gonna
have to tell you, I was actually really really like
impressed with the show itself because it's from a lens
of women being entrepreneurs.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
It talks about their endeavors.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
It's based in Jackson, Mississippi, and that alone is gonna
probably throw you for a loop because you're not thinking
that's the most progressive place. I've learned a lot through her,
but I've all also learned a lot through watching the
show itself. I'm actually in season four, and it was
like some good narratives about entrepreneurship, but it also shows
these women through a lens of being mothers, wives, But
the thing is about the development of themselves and that

(01:17:14):
is the thing that makes the show so powerful. So
make sure that for sure you tune in on Monday.
Of course, if you can't make it, don't panic. It's
okay because you can always find episodes of my show
on if you want to listen to it. You go
to the iTunes, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Amazon Audibles, Spotify podcast

(01:17:35):
platforms and just search Maya, my Ambition, your ambition, and
you're gonna find it there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
That's pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
Of course, you can always listen to episodes postcast Central
is right there on my website mayadash speaks dot com,
so make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel as well.
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That is my handle for all of my social media platforms,
so whether you are a Facebook person, I haven't gotten

(01:18:01):
to the tiktoks. Maybe next year I'll add some more
stuff on, but I'm struggling to maintain these basic ones
I got right here. But at Maya Speaks to You
is how you can check those out as well, So
there's always a way. There's not a reason that you
actually should not be watching the show. One more shameless
plug before we wrap up. I actually do have an
app so you can take Maya on the go. This

(01:18:22):
is even easier if you download the app, search the
Maya Experience. It's available in the Apple Store, in the
Amazon store. Now, somebody like roasted me about just having
cure out codes and said, how am I supposed to
scan that maya if I'm watching you on my phone. Well,
some phones I actually have the ability like it just
can actually zoom in and open up the QR.

Speaker 6 (01:18:40):
So I thought I was doing something cool. I was
told I was not cool. But I'm still doing it anyways.
So with that, Big said, everybody, do me a favor.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Download the app because then you have me on the go,
so no matter what I'm doing. Rather you want to
listen to a former episode, it's right there. You want
to watch an episode, it's right there.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
But the thing that I am really super proud about
on the app, seriously, is there's two pieces.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
I have an inspirational blog that happens once a week
on Wednesdays, where I just give you food for thought,
something I really want you to process because one of
the things that I think is really important is we're
working through this together. Is I'm not trying to throw
a thought at you every day. I want to give
you something to think about and have you process it
throughout the week. And then, of course I do have
the Meat on Pause blog, which is my Menopause blog.

(01:19:23):
Everyone knows how I feel about that, and that's me
educating the ladies. But by the way, fellaws, feel free
to check out the blog too, because I'm gonna say something.
If you have a wife, sister, mother, whatever, who's going
through the process of menopause, there are some things that
most people don't know. There's some things they don't know,
so it can be a powerful tool, not just for
ladies because I often promote it that way, but I've

(01:19:44):
come to realize I'm gonna say this my current guests
help me to understand that men actually could learn something
from the blog as well. So those are two dynamics
that are also on the page. So everyone, until next time, member,
your present becomes your past and your future is no more.

(01:20:07):
So live every day till the fullest. By the way,
not my words. That is lyrics from Pearl Jam. That's
why I so everyone, until next time, be well, stay safe,
but more importantly, just keep being you because in my eyes,
most people that I've ever met are more amazing than
they've ever realized they were. All right, everyone, and I

(01:20:28):
will see you hopefully what on Monday, right at two
o'clock Central time? All right, show until next time.

Speaker 5 (01:20:35):
Whether you're on the go or listening on your cell phone, tablet,
or laptop, you can find the show and the iTunes, Google,
and iHeartRadio platforms.

Speaker 10 (01:20:44):
All due respect, I believe this is going to be
our finest hour.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Just search my my ambition, your ambition, and get ready
to be inspired and motivated the harness your ambition

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