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merch promos, and free giveaways.Tonight's show, we're talking with Carl Kennedy,
longtime drummer of the Central New Yorkpower metal band The Rods Well.
Carl has a brand new band,the four Fifties. They have a new
album dropping tomorrow. Their debut selftitled comes out on Louder Than Loud Records,
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Carl's record company that he put togetherwith a business associate last year.
Well, Carl's here tonight. We'regonna talk about this new album, how
the band got together, who thesemusicians are that's on this new release.
We go over and listen to someof the choice cuts on this album.
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Carl gives us an insight on howthese songs were conceived and what the musicians
in this band, what they broughtto the table. We talk about his
past relationships with the late great RonnieJames Dio. He goes down heavy metal
memory Lane and we talk about theAnthrax and Overkill days when he helped them
produce some of those groundbreaking albums backin the mid eighties. It's a fun
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look inside, you know, amember of the heavy metal community. We
like to support all our heroes hereand Carl, you know, the guy's
a great dude. He was onthe show last summer when he was promoting
the cannedy CD, his solo band, and he will tell us more about
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what Candidy's up to and what himand the guys and the rods are up
to, because they have some newmaterial coming out so that's what we have
for tonight. Next week, we'llhave an exclusive interview with the guys from
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in for a landing. Talk abouta good time. Today's guest is a
veteran of over forty plus years inthe hard rock and heavy metal community.
Founding member of the metal band TheRods. He's played and produced with bands
like man O, War Jack starRett, Forrester, Overkill, Exciter an
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Trax. He's here today to talkabout his brand new band and that he
has the four fifties. Let's welcomeback to Metal Mayhem. RC. Carl
Kennedy, Hey Carl, what's upin Hi? John? How are you?
No, I'm just killing fortys inthe business. Like I thought it
was like I needed my cane andmy beards down to my waist. But
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yes, it's been a long time. I've been in the business a long
time. I said forty plus whenI was writing a copy, I'm like,
yeah, I don't want to gofifty because maybe it's not fifty,
but you know, I'm trying tostay it with the continuity. But either
way, the resume is long,the experiences are even longer. How are
you? Where? Where are youright now? I'm doing well. I'm
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home in my little studio where Irecord my drums and whatever little pack parts
I pick up on my guitar keyboard, And so that's why I am sitting
here by my computer screens. Pennsylvania. Are you? Are you down south
Pennsylvania, Scrampton, outside of Scrampton, not that far from Rochester. We're
in like in the mid forties today, maybe a little rain. And I
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love Rochester. You know, recordedquite a few projects up there. Oh
yeah, the Rochester Metal Pipeline islegendary. You know. We go on
all day on that but we're heretoday to talk about your new project.
New album comes out on the nineteenthin November. The band is the four
fifties. I have tons of noteson the new release, but let's get
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a quick backstory of the guys you'replaying with, how it came together,
and then we'll take a deep diveinto the new album. Sounds good,
So you know this is these guysI had early on, I had produced
Young Turk. The singer is fromYoung Turk Rehet and So I produced Young
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Turk, did an album for Geffenand an album for Virgin and so I
had managed for the band and producedthem for years. So I always thought
Rhett was brilliant. Beck Econdomy,I was working with Rocks Gang in Tampa.
He kept hounding me, stopping Miami, Stop in Miami. I'm like,
I'm not going to go to Miamito see some band called Young Turk
I've never heard of. He couldjold me, and so finally I flew
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in. I was going home afterthree months in Tampa, was going home.
The last thing I wanted to dowas stop in Miami and to see
this kid. But I did.We wound up, you know, having
a great connection and wound up workingwith the band. So we've all been
friends forever. Saint James Guys Isigned to my production company, So Bobby
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and Jimmy the guitarist and bass player, known them forever and produced for them
and wound up on there. There'severything they did, like we did two
full albums, we did demos.I was never quite able to land a
deal for them, but we wererecently, like three years ago, we
released an album called Resurgence, whichdid very well and we have more product
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than the you know, in thepipeline for that. But so we'd known
each other all this time, andthen Rhett, Bobby and Jimmy knew each
other and we're all good friends.So for all these years we've all been
friends. We wanted to work together, and so finally we said, you
know what, let's do a band, Let's start a bank. And that's
what happened, and we wound upgoing to Atlanta, although I didn't make
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that trip because of a little shouldermuscle thing. I couldn't get on the
flight in the morning, but everybodyelse wound up in Atlanta and that's where
the songs were written and then werecorded it in Miami, so it definitely
has a Southern flow and I'll touchon that when we talk about the album.
But you have a record label Louderthan Loud Records. What's that all
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about? You know, it's aninteresting thing to start a record label at
a time when people no longer buyrecords. Yeah, right, But Child's
Lavery has been my manager now fora couple of years and it's it's been
a great relationship from day one.And we started talking about my catalog,
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which we've been able to license,and you know, he was responsible for
this new release of All the Rodscatalog, which is doing a great job.
High Roller is doing an unbelievable jobon all of it. But in
the process of all these discussions andlicensing and whatever, we thought, you
know what, it would be alot of freedom to actually start our own
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label and do that so then wewould be able to promote and we thought,
you know, the four fifties isa perfect place to start. Now,
we have other things, a lotof them Loud Records, as we
have another release we're going to beannouncing soon, and you know, we
have things in the pipeline now thatI think people will really be interested in,
but we thought, you know,we'll launch the four fifties and we'll
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go from there. Our first question, four fifties, where's that coming from?
That was just a name that theguy we were looking for a name,
and the guys just came up withthe four fifties. So okay,
that's simple. So that that's sothe debut album self titled. Three videos
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have been dropped. Tell us aboutthe videos. You have three of them.
Oh, the first one Lost inDenial. That was the first one.
Where was this recorded? These videoswere recorded in different places. Now
Lust and Denial is actually the mostrecent video. The first one was Flowers
for Columbine, the second was Lucywalk Away, and this new one is
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Lust in Denial. So while wewere at the studio, we recorded a
lot of footage with video. Webrought in a videographer and so we recorded
a ton of stuff there while wewere recording. So that's a lot of
the footage we're using. But thenwe also recorded footage at home, you
know, did our own stuff outsideinside in our studios and then so that's
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the footage we're using. And butwe at the studio. If you notice,
if you look the footage of me. You'll catch a glimpse of clownheads
up on the wall at the verytop. Those are all the original clownheads
from Killer Clowns from Motor Space.They're actually from the movie. And the
studio had a great vibe and itwas it was fun to be in that
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room and record all right. Wellthree videos find them on YouTube and they're
all part of this album. Onthe album at eleven twelve tracks. Most
of them are in between three andfour minutes long. You get in and
get out. Jack Douglas, thelongtime producer of Aerosmith, Cheap Track,
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a couple other bands. He wasin there involved in the mixing, and
Chris Collier who does some heavier stuffCorn and Prong, He worked on the
mixing and production that helped it getthat modern sound. Let's how quickly touch
on their involvement. It was interestingto have both of them mix the album
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and then from there we would chooseyou know who's we would use. So
it was really amazing. And whatwas amazing is that Jack Douglas made production
calls like he would in deciding whatwe would leave in, what he would
leave out, or what he wouldaccentuate. Very interesting what a very musical
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producer he is and you can seewhy he has had longevity in the business.
Chris Collier is the young hot shot. I mean he is just to
me, he's the top young mixengineer. And he mixed the Rods,
he mixed the Kennedy album and ofcourse he MIxS the four fifties as well,
and I I just can't say enoughabout Chris being on the cutting edge
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of technology and just having great ears. And if you listen to the White
Snake reissues which Coverdale has had himcome in to do more and more of,
you really hear the difference, likejust how great he is. But
because you can compare the original WhiteSteak, which always sounded great too what
Chris has done. And but anyway, so it was it was really fun
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and interesting to have two amazing talent, amazingly talented people working on this album.
So let's take a deep dive intothis album. The band again,
he just goes by the name ofRhett as the singer and then you got
the brothers James and Robert Jacobs onguitar and bass. That must be interesting
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to have a brother dynamic in theband. Well, you know, it's
funny because there is no brother dynamicwith those guys. They have a lot
of respect for each other in termsof it felt like even though in fact
I was going to say, Ithink when I listen to this music,
I think of it as like aBlack Rose Accounting Rose, like a soul
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asylum like it, you know,that kind of that kind of very organic
kind of band with a real rockedge, a little more punk edge actually
mostly comes from rhet I think.But those those two guys, they don't
have that. They don't have theBlack Crows let's fight, or the or
the what's the man I'm thinking of? Nellian just forgot their name from England?
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Um oh, the Gallagher brothers youknow, yeah, Oasis, thank
you. They don't have that toLet's just kick each other's asses or the
other Gallagher brothers. Uh raving guys, John, Oh yeah, but those
guys don't They're just cool guys.Yeah. Well, these are my notes
on These are my interpretations. Rattnot not afraid to put himself out there.
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Excellent, excellent singer. James Jacobthe guitarist has some really tasty leads,
knows his way around the aelecaster,looks like Carl and Robert have really
discovered each other. They work welltogether. And Ryan's Sambrook the keyboard player
does a hell of a job onblack Tar, and does I love what
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he in Black Car and Gracie isheavy. So black Tart first, the
keyboards, big kind of vibe goingon here, a theatrical thing. Let's
get your input on that song.Black Tart is one of my favorite songs.
In fact, I just mentioned recentlywe have more videos coming from this
album, and we also have lyricvideos coming, so we have a lot
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of product yet to go. ButBlack I was saying Black Tarn needs to
be a single because said, yeah, that's one of my favorite songs of
the album Salvation. I'm kind ofswell. Ryan did a killer job black
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Tar. He to me makes thesong that in Ferny played banjo on this
which in the beginning and he justhe goes, you know, this song
could use a banjo, and hepicks up a badge from off the wall
and mis it and plays the partone take. No. That's interesting because
one of my notes on that's onBlack Tire has a little bit of maybe
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modern country end quotes, and maybethat's what that was. But so back
to Rhett in terms of well,let's talk about Jimmy. Jimmy is brilliant,
and Jimmy is a he's so talunted. But he did a great job
in writing parts that sort of interwoven, and he did a great job where
there's subtleties to them but also lotsof hooks. He did a great job.
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And you know, his tone.I love the tone he got out
of that telecaster. Very very cooland Rhett, and I think the difference
with the Jacobs brothers and myself,you know, Bobby and Jim and I,
we're all like, let's make surethat it's dialed in and it's precise,
and were as focused as possible.Rhett, on the other hand,
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is the true quote unquote artiste.And so Rhett, if you like you
listened to his lyrics, I thinkhis lyrics are really really brilliant. He
does he's really is an artist andhe's a great lyricist. In my opinion,
I've always had nothing but respect forhim, and also working with him
so much over the years producing,I've noticed how fast he's so quick to
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write lyrics and they just come outand there's so good and and he's quick
if in Lust and Denial, there'sa rap part for the halfway through the
song. He was didn't know whatto do with that. We're in the
studio and I'm in the control.I'm saying, they're talking to him through
the glass and he goes, wait, hold on a second, and he
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scribbled something on the paper. Hegoes, okay, roll it, and
he did that part in one take, wrote the lyrics and sang that part
that fast, and it's a brilliantlyric. The note you left didn't read
it and never read it. It'sbrilliant. So you know, in my
in my opinion, everybody worked welltogether. There was no you know,
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no egos, we all we allgot along and we all worked for the
song. And I think that wasthe other thing that shows in this is
that we all worked for the material. You know, I came in.
I hadn't been at the writing session, so I was new to the material.
We'd run it down, I'd makea suggestion if I thought there was
a little arrangement thing or something,and I'd worked out a feel for the
song as far as the drone partsgo, and then we would run it
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down live like this new way ofrecording that no one's ever heard of,
putting musicians and that are ruled together. And they all played the song from
the beginning to end together. Imaginethat eye contact and everything else. Nobody,
it's unbelievable. I hate to letJohn, I hate to let them
out of the bag. That's abig trade secret. So maybe we should
cut that part out so nobody knows. But well, well, Carl,
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you certainly weren't shy when it cameto putting your stamp on stuff in the
song Krawl. My notes those damneddrums again, the drums and bass working
well together. Kennedy sounds like apercussionist the lead. Wow, the wow
wow, what a tasty reff tellus about the song Krawl. Well,
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that that song is based on Jimmywas the one who came up with that
idea, and that song is reallyit's a cool idea of the cool riff
and his that was his head,sick little minded, those those dark riffs,
and so that was his his creation. And it was fun to play.
I have to say it was.It was a lot of fun.
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Touch why I'll like you Crowfa gaveup his zack. I have a gut
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feeling um. According to my notes, maybe the song drown would possibly be
the next single song gets right toit sort of sounds like a little bit
of Mick Jagger, if you willgets our leads, drums, get right
to it right. It's all usabout drowned, you know. I think
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that's I'm glad you said that becauseI love drown and I would think that
should be the next single. It'sa it's a killer song, and drowned
drown was one that I don't knowthat everybody was as thrilled with that song
at first as I was. Iwas right away I thought drown was a
killer tune. But then as itwent on, and I think with red
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developing the vocal, I think itwas everybody came to love the song.
But initially it wasn't like the topyou know, top song. If you
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can then can choose your memories therainy, you would save the fasts,
even tips, old shirts. Theship I stranded in the waves, so
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I won't down what I ain't seenmy bar when you found thou won't land
crown put offs maman, And whenmy first to see are you drowned in?
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It's so the night you sleved painless. Still you never slept that will
because I was in the Bostock.We're talking with Carl Kennedy, drummer of
the newly formed American rock band TheFour Fifties. Debut, self titled CD,
comes out tomorrow, November nineteenth,out on Louder than Loud Records.
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Carl Any plans about taking this circuson the road, playing some dates.
What's that landscape look like? Well, thank you COVID. How many tours
are booked and canceled? We're hopingto get the band to Europe, and
we're hoping to do some shows inthe States and nothing else, at least
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an East Coast tour, if notsome shows out west. But that's the
plan. But right now, youknow, we just don't have anything book
but we're constantly looking for whatever wecan get to jump on be part of,
and hopefully doing a couple of festivalsin Europe if nothing else. Well,
let's do a little round up onyour other projects. Last time we
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talked, Kennedy was out with Warrior. What are those guys up to.
What's the status of the Candidy outfit. Well, in a couple of hours,
I'm going to be rehearsing with Kennedy. We have we have three new
songs done recorded and we're working.We have three more songs written, and
we're you know, well on ourway for this next album, which I
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have to stay. I'm very excitedabout the fact that, you know how
the sophomore Jinx kicks in and alot of times, you know, it's
just not as strong, and butto say that as a band, we've
grown and I think the material isreally good, if not better than the
first album, So it bodes well. I'm excited about it and I can't
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wait to have that album released.As far as the other thing, I
actually I have a band Collocus frommy band from the mid seventies and I
was twenty whatever it was when Iwas with these guys, and we did
a lot of recording, I meana lot of touring, did a lot
of dates all East Coast, butwe were playing five and six nights a
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week. And so now the originalmembers we have an album that's almost done.
And I always say this, andit does again. It's not meant
to be derogatory, but it is, you know how I view it anyway,
It's kind of like a poor man'shollow notes. It's not a rock
album in the sense of hard inany way, but it's really good.
I'm very proud of it. Andand now that's almost done, I have
one more drum track to complete thatalbum, and then the Rods we are
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we have I have five tracks thatare ready for my drums, and we
have two more tracks ready to go. We're just going to get together as
soon as we can here and finishan arrangement on one. And so Rods
are well on the way for anotheralbum, which is I'm excited because at
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this point in our career, youknow each album is which you know which
one will be our last. Butwe're going strong still, so that's that's
exciting. And of course the fourfifties planning, you know, we're making
plans for the next album as well. So now, some of your pass
projects, it's well documented you're involvedan integral part besides the Rods being around
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in the early eighties, your workwith Overkill and Exciter and Anthrax that's well
documented. Your production in producing contributions. Going back to Anthrax, were you
involved in any way an interview orcommentary on their fortieth anniversary package that they
put together. I think there's somevideos coming out. Do you have anything
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to do with that? I didnot. I was not asked, and
so I did not do anything.Keep in touch with those guys at all?
I do. Yeah, No,I'm in touch with Joey, Frankie,
I mean, you know, occasionallyScott and Charlie. But no no
issues there. Just Missy told mesomething. I don't know what this story
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was. But Tim, I actuallykind of thought I should have been involved
because it was part of the seminalcreation of Anthraxic early days, the first
albums and so. But Tim,Yeah, no no harm, no follow
It's fine. I just was RobinElbows with Danny Lilker the other night at
a show up here in Rochester.Oh, Danny's great. Yeah. Nuclear
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Assault played a couple of weeks ago. They had a one off up here.
He lives up here, works uphere, and you know a little
bit of our metal history with theAnthrax guys overkill Bobby lets uh the last
time you saw those guys, Ijust saw it, well, I saw
I think it was two and ahalf years ago. I did a show
Mike the singer and Kennedy and Idid a show at the hard rock in
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and anaheun opening for Metal Allegiance,And so I'm coming down the stairs and
there's Bobby on the phone, andit was great. It was a great
reunion. I hadn't seen him indecades, you know, so it was
it was a great He was thesame. Bobby's always the same. He's
the same guy. He's always beenthat way. Not pretentious even though he's
a rock star. Just the coolestguy. And the Exciter guys. Has
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it been decades, No, wedid a show with Exciter. Oh it's
in New York maybe four years ago, five years ago, but I say
in touch with Alan Dan is itreally on Facebook? But two? Yeah,
I mean those guys were friends.I mean I'd love those guys from
day one. Oh yeah, thethe chance to see them as like a
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fourteen year old up here on theViolence and Force tour just up at the
Penny Arcade and back then, backthen he Ron and Jackie Stein of lake
Shore Record Exchange, they were theones promoting those shows up at Lake Shore
and those were on Sunday afternoons.But you know, we go, like
I said, we'd go on foreverwith the Rochester connection. I think they
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promoted shows with l as well.Oh, that's the point I wanted to
bring up. BA. In August, I was down in Nashville for the
Rock and Pod Convention and on theway back I started listening to the Right
then just released Ronnie James dio book. Can you comment on that whole Dio
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Central New York, you Finstein,you just comment on that era. I
joined a band called Raw Meat.I think I was nineteen, and Rambat
was a big band. It hadbeen Brian's idols and they were you know,
they had recorded for US Seats,so they were they were big on
the whole tri state thing that ELFwas the Elves were on. And so
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that band, Rambat rehearsed in aFinnish garage and ELF rehearsed in the in
the house. And because the bassplayer and the guitarist from Raw Meat and
the and the guitarists from the Elveswere roommates, so that's how that worked.
So I would see the guys fromearly on. But going to shows
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back then, you know, itwas high school dances, and it was
like people would actually dance at ahigh school. But when when the Elves
played, everybody sat on the floornobody danced. It was a concert.
Even though they were doing cover music. It was there was something about the
band that they were all cool.They were all great musicians, but to
collectively, they just had a soundand the presentation and it was a concert
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and everybody recognized it. And soyou're sitting there watching this concert. They're
playing cover songs like kind of youknow, that's unheard of that you go
watch a band play cover songs andyou sit down and watch them in all
like a concert band. But that'swho they were, and they were phenomenal
and as they started doing original material, things grew. So it was interesting
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to see how that progressed and youknow, getting the record deal and going
from there. But you know,knowing I know a lot of stories through
between David and Craig and you know, knowing Gary and Mark Nasif and you
know so and the guy, soyou know a lot of the inner like
little stories from all of that.But it was it was great to see
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it happened. And of course Ronniewas a star from day one, and
yeah, that was and it wasvery kind of him at the end to
sing one of my songs and sawmetal Will Never Die, which I think
is such a great song that shouldbe that should be like a classic metal
song. There's not gotten the youknow, the recognition it deserves. You
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should really look at doing a rereleasewith that and promoting it differently than than
it was. Well, maybe that'sa project for Louder than Loud Records.
It actually sounds like it might benow that we by the way, we
actually mentioned it because that's such agreat song, and Ronnie just sang so
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well on that. You said,Um, you should read or listen to
that book if you haven't, Iwill. I will do that. It's
been on my list. I justhaven't gotten to it. Do you ever
try audio books? Because I love, I love, I love audiobooks,
but I have not. So I'veheard, you know, heard a couple
of trends have had, but Ihave not. I don't know. I
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was just saying I wanted John Easy, and I was just talking. He
said, the audio book has somuch more, and so I'm saying,
what is it? Um Audible,what's the what's the subscription? Whatever?
It is? All it's through AmazonAudible or and uh the with the deal
book, uh the official one Rainbowinto Dark or something. Yeah. So
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I'll have to do that after thisinterview. Stay on and I could send
you a complimentary copy of it.Okay, um, thanks? Yeah,
all right. So the band isthe four Fifties. New one comes out
tomorrow on Louder than Loud Records,videos all over YouTube. Go out there,
check it out by the physical product. You know, I'm sure this
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is all onto stream locations too.Correct it is. And you know the
other thing is a lot of timesmy friends will want to support, and
I really appreciate that. But youknow, you can support bands by just
adding them to a Spotify playlist ifyou if you can't support with money,
or you don't want to support withmoney, which is perfectly fine, you
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can support start a Spotify playlists thefour fifties or add us to an existing
playlist. That would be a hugeCarl. What's the best social get all
information and your product? Well,there's always can always find me on Facebook,
Carl Kennedy, But I think forthe four fifties, four Fifties dot
Com will get you everything you needto know about the band, videos and
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products. So and it's going tobe vinyl as well as CDs, so
and shirts and whatever sounds like aparty, Carl Kennedy, thanks for calling
and spending the afternoon with me today. John, thank you so much for
the support. I really appreciate it. Okay, take care, buddy.
You two ye medal for live.Thanks for listening to Medlemayhem ROC. Check
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