Jinjer “Duel” | Album Review - Metalology

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up, everybody? Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Today we are digging into the Ukrainian phenomenon, one of
the most popular metal bands to come out of the
scene in the last what almost ten years? Yeah about
so today we are talking about Ginger and reviewing their
new album Duel right here onlog.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
All right, all right, I need to be back boys here.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
We are here, all right.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I didn't like Lean this way, Okay, So anyways, Yeah,
this new setup is killer. I'm loving the new set up.
Like we just did our Ginger episode and there's like
a vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah, we just did our.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh we did a kill switch. What's funny about this
album is this album came out. By the time this
episode comes out will be two weeks since albums come out.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's a I wanted to touch on the album because
I think it's a very interesting subject. I think we're
Ginger is out right now is very interesting and I
do want to do a Ginger episode on the band
at some point this year. But I really am curious
about your guys thoughts on Ginger, especially like right now
where they're at, because I don't know if you guys
have been paying attention, but it feels like Ginger fell

(01:43):
off a little bit after their last album, Wallflowers a
little bit, because I remember when Ginger came out, like
right around right before COVID fucking huge. I saw them
at Soma, fucking sold out the place, and you know,
San Diego no Less and you know, all all the
hype was going into them, all the articles, all the
stuff that you know, the bounds is being built to

(02:03):
be like the next big thing, and they put out
Wallflowers and it's like a dud, like nobody really was
into the songs. And I just want to know if
you guys have noticed like the decline in popularity since, like.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
For sure they fell out of my radar, at least
for sure, I don't even remember checking out their last album,
Like Macro was where I felt the last album that
I checked out from them, So yeah, there might be
some truth to that.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Yeah, It just it just seemed like they were built
because they got popular really fast and it was like bam.
And I don't really know why that is. I think
maybe Wallflowers wasn't that kind of hit. The Macro was
like it didn't really hit the scene, like you know,
I think what the band expected to do.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I also find their sound like I think they have
a really sick sound, but I find it very limiting.
You know, when you're that raw and you lean really
hard into like progressive more of like progressive metal, there's
not even though you should have a lot more room
to go. They kind of like sticking like a very
similar space with with with that album, and I think
before they definitely did some different things, but I and

(03:14):
you know, I know they had I was on Macro.
I'm thinking of a judgment that was Macro ner Mine. Yeah,
because the cool thing about Ginger when they came out,
like when I saw them at some of them, like
everyone's singing the songs, like even though it's these weird
time signatures and all that, and the hooks aren't really
like hooks, Like it's just singing, you know, and people

(03:35):
are singing along. I know my wife was there. She
was singing her favorite songs. And you know, I haven't
really seen that too much since The Wallflower's their last album.
So I'm very curious about Duel. I listened to Duel
a couple of times since it came out. Have my thoughts,
but it definitely is what seems like a darker record
and a heavier record. So we're gonna get into our

(03:58):
overall review. We're gonna go ahead. We're gonna play each
song about a minute two minute and a half or
scroll to like a part that we should highlight. H
But we'll be doing that in just a couple of minutes. First,
we've been gone for two months. We've been gone for
two months. We just stopped our first episode in two
months with the kill Gage review, and surprise, every surprises me.

(04:20):
I'm the one who suggested it, and everybody was on board.
In fact, Boji thinks it's gonna be his album of
the year.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Not just mine. But I think it's gonna be the album.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Like it's gonna win the votes and all that. Yes, okay,
I I am very close to your opinion. I don't
think it's gonna be album of the Year for me,
but I do see it being a talked about record
by the end of the year, a contender. Definitely contender, Yeah, definitely,
So we'll get We're gonna do it. We're also gonna
get into our single drop, which is where we talk

(04:53):
about a new song that's been released. We're gonna be
talking about machine Heads, song Unbound, and talk a little
bit about the release date that they just dropped as
well for their upcoming album before we get into all
that just won don't you guys know? I am your host,
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(05:53):
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Speaker 2 (07:52):
All right, guys, so we're gonna go ahead. We are
going to get into it. Also before we get off
on anything else. Our band, minds band if I the
Terrence has just dropped a brand new album, self titled.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
First full length eleven songs. Pretty stoked on it? Have
you heard the album? I thought you got the album already?

Speaker 6 (08:08):
No no yet, no no yet, Okay, I mean this
is the first time I seen you, guys almost you were.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Sick at the show.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
To the show. Yeah, we'll get you on before you leave.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Got it? Got it the album?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
You heard the album? Well, of course you heard the album.
I have the album, Yeah, the album. What's funny is
when you heard the albums and we heard.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
The album, oh not that it sounds.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Like Bozzie was there when we were writing lyrics, so
he got to hear the songs with him without uncles,
so he was a part of it. And he got
to put in a couple of little words here and there.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
I got my dozens in, a couple of comments, a
couple of comma.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
You need a comma right there? Man?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
All right, So speaking of album you, we're gonna get
into it first, we're gonna be talking about the single
drop segment, the new segment of the podcast. Machine had
just dropped a brand new song called Unbound. I'm gonna
read the quick Instagram post where they announced their upcoming
new album. Machine had announced monumental eleventh album, Unatoned. Headcake Ship,

(09:09):
it's fucking dying head cases. We're excited to reveal that
our long awaited eleventh studio album, Unatoned, drops April twenty fifth,
twenty twenty five. Goddamn, there's a bunch of albums coming
down in April. Spear Box was the thirteen thirteen no
Machine had. Damn, we should have dropped the album Cradles
bringing one out too, but I'm not really sure what.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Month that'd be. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
That's gonna be a good fun, yeah, Shit Unatoned is
a testament to momentum and album honed to its sharpest edge,
forged on creative discipline and the hunger to push forward.
It with melancholy melodies and yet hammers with bludgeting riffs,
sores with anthemic sing and lungs, and of love, loss
and sadness, to bellowing power and undeniable confidence. Eleven albums,

(09:50):
the Machine had remained as fierce, relevant and unstoppable as ever.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Look are that for one? For one song? No, that's
the album. It's it's the album announcement. Okay, I'm about
to say, you're just dropping a single.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
There you go, sell it.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
I can just imagine Rob Flynn being like, let me
just talk about how awesome this album is. I'm like, oh,
it's it's unbashly, you know, awesome and ferocious. And I'm like,
and I don't think. I don't think Alex has ever
like described our album in anyways.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
That's an album. It's good. I wrote, it's great.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Should hear it? Should listen to it? Spotify, Apple Platform.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
That's the closest he's ever gotten to that post. Yeah,
that is the closest. All right, So we're gonna listen
to the new song Formachine and off of un a
tone that this song is called Unbound. Wow, my fucking
bluetooth got disconnected.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So uh, handro give me some not dead air. Yeah,
well look it's connected. If you're looking for some music,
you're about here right now. Just you came to the
rat place.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
In Honker's ad d Kim and clunch right now, I'll
bring it back in bro. So this is Unbound off
the machine Heads upcoming album Unatoned.

Speaker 7 (11:17):
What bang? What quick on.

Speaker 8 (11:24):
Us time?

Speaker 9 (11:30):
Okay? Wow?

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Yeah, that's m head.

Speaker 10 (12:00):
Block up looking at the shadow working this puss gap
at their call. Was rolling on my elbow looking figures
pulling out of the ball. Wait, pay and the collar stack.
No way now a pucker play for a look at
the ball. Never let me pick a color, proper.

Speaker 11 (12:17):
Tucker stellar way a collo ball. Never get my little
never never.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
What what way up?

Speaker 11 (12:37):
Ball going down?

Speaker 12 (12:39):
I'm gonna rust out now going wow.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
What I'm gonna fast forward a little bit, going into
the line, second half of.

Speaker 11 (12:52):
The ball going down.

Speaker 9 (12:54):
N rush out now going.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
L keep right in that room.

Speaker 13 (13:03):
Way, why that's a way on that clearian.

Speaker 11 (13:24):
Co mad on the out very well, yeah, that side.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So the times.

Speaker 14 (13:47):
What what like go down like that one?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
I was Unbound the new song from machine Head, uh
feature couldn't be featured on the Rock Now Unatoned Unfound.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Machine Head is a very special band for me.

Speaker 7 (14:04):
They're uh.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Their album The Blackening is my favorite metal album of
all time bar none. And I've been a found a
machine Head almost as ever since I started playing guitar,
and it was a band that really pushed me to
get into like heavier music.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So I love machine heead even.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Though I haven't been the biggest fan of like recent albums,
some albums are better than others. I still I always
check out anything they put out. So I'm really digging this.
Dug the last album a little bit. Yeah, So I'm
really digging this. Sounds like machine Head, sounds like way
on the heavier side of things. Yeah, I just I'm

(14:42):
really digging the song.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
When's the album coming up? April twenty fourth, twenty fifth,
twenty fifth? Dude? I think that was the same day
as Wednesday, Isn't that?

Speaker 9 (14:51):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Is its twenty fifth?

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Shit?

Speaker 7 (14:56):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
I'm almost positive though, And that Bosie thoughts on Unbound Goddamn,
I like it. I I see them.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
I see the Machine had, like you know, the staple sound.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
The natural harmonics, and the Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
See all that, and I do see like a little
little stuff that they're trying to do different in this song,
which I do. Like, I'm just curious to see how
they're gonna pull that off on the album It got
it because that was just my biggest prom is just
they kept sounding the same for me, like like the
last or whatever their last single was that it was

(15:41):
just overplayed and yeah, it was just fucking it was
just trash in my opinion. But I like this and
I want to see where it's gonna go.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
It's called Boie's Interest Ruddy back to you.

Speaker 13 (15:55):
It was.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
I really want to listen to the album gonna be
It's crazy that's the same day as Wednesdays. Yeah, that's so.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I mean, that's gonna be hard. I'm gonna be on
that Choose one dude, probably gonna be too bad ass
almost coming on the same day. Uh, Andre thoughts on
Machine hit Unbound.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. Man. I hear
a lot of you in that, So it makes sense
that they're like, obviously you've played black and for me
many times the album but uh yeah, I can't wait
to hear more for sure. I think this is just like,
all right, just give me a little taste. I want
to hear more. I hope it gets better. Like but yeah,
it makes me interested because the fucking yeah, like that

(16:39):
ship is fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
So for me, even though like Corn is like my
all time favorite band, machine Head is like my number
one biggest influence. Whenever I pick up a guitar, I'm
like playing machine hit for it. I'll try to play
something that sounds like anything I write has to have
a tinge of machine Head in it. I don't know
what I see it my machine all right. So we're
all looking forward to the album different ways others. But
that's okay. It's caught the interest of metaology, so maybe

(17:03):
we will also do an album review for that as well.
Now the Moment of Truth, we're gonna dig into the
new Ginger album. We're digging it, We're digging.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
It called Duel.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Duel was produced by Ginger and Max Morton, not Mark
Morton from Max Morton is twin brother, his twin brother.
I think the cover art simple but cool. I don't
know if you guys, I've seen the cover art bullets
bullets with some red, so we should carry back. I

(17:36):
don't know they can get that. It's okay, all right. Now,
I've heard this record maybe about three times so far.
Now I'm not gonna say, right, And the reason I
listened to three times is not because I absolutely adored it.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
I wanted to keep my pintons to the podcast.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I listened to it because I just want to be
very familiar with it, because I had to kind of
keep going back because the tracks were getting blurred to
me that makes any sense, Like it was difficult for
me to to tell between tracks. So, I mean, I
knew when the songs ended, but when I went back
and thought about it, it was like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Still not it was that normal.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Yeah, yeah, I felt the same.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, So I had to go back a couple of times.
We all have heard this album already on our own.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yeah, I've heard it.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
No, so okay, like I was, like I was, I
told Alex earlier. I tried, dude, oh wow, you're giving
it out. You're gonna spoil, spoil it or we must
spoil it.

Speaker 6 (18:34):
Well, you said, if I listened to the album, I mean, yeah,
I tried multiple times and I only got like to
like the third track, I think, okay, And every single time, I.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Just I was like, I wanted to listen to something else.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, we're gonna see if we could sway you a
little bit the same thing. We're gonna see if we
could so so ba. Yeah, but basically it didn't take
to Rudy as it probably did me. But we're gonna
try and sway Rudy tonight. We're gonna try and dig
through it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
And I haven't heard anything I get to be tonight.
Oh god.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I mean I've heard it three times also like complete
and two halfs of you know, like two times where
I didn't get all the way through. So so yeah,
I slept. I slept with this album, you know, stay
a night and uh, I want to hold back like
what I'm my opinions on it not I know.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, well, yeah you haven't heard Ship, haven't. I wanted
to go in this motherfucker. I won't come about two
weeks ago. It's about last week. Oh last week.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
Ginger is not like a big band for me. So
that's why I'm just a fucker. You could have said
that that's fine, but I want to hear what everyone
else wants. I know you like him, so I'm down
to talk about them. But I'm just like, to me,
they're not.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
If I'm going to show you three songs to check
out from Ginger, none of those songs are on this album.
I'm just gonna say, like they're on Macro, like like
legit right, Like it's like Macro you know there there
there's a reason for that variation, Like there's a reason
for what I just said.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Okay, right, and we'll get to that as we get
through through the album. Deal.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Uh, So we're gonna kick into it. We're gonna start
with the first track off of duelm.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
This is Tantrum.

Speaker 9 (20:10):
Why you imagine a roll.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
Ball Gonds like Randall? Why do sun Way, I'm just
a tax.

Speaker 11 (20:18):
A stall want to n ball by, I'm water, Dogs.

Speaker 9 (20:22):
Are laws, Shin shows the Light, Wise Guards, show.

Speaker 8 (20:26):
By God your rise, Go's talk a sorry, goatch my shi.

Speaker 9 (20:37):
Yeah you got just die and Squat said yeah, I
got yeah, Marris Dougers Dead.

Speaker 12 (20:46):
And Bets Rusting says God show his majesty speaks.

Speaker 11 (20:55):
And Agonies show my shine.

Speaker 9 (21:02):
Wow Rolls on Line, lass All your lawis do.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Something's coming up that is not normal for Ginger laws out.

Speaker 8 (21:10):
Lies lies lilas all lowers d.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
It's coming up in a little bit.

Speaker 15 (21:25):
That rift who snack shot down, that shou scram got start,
that's fine song La scrag lest tell joous Gio Scarce.

Speaker 8 (21:38):
Cowers, Dottie's rat tadline.

Speaker 9 (21:43):
Stock sad like.

Speaker 14 (21:48):
Lass.

Speaker 9 (21:48):
All your laistde.

Speaker 8 (21:51):
Lolos are lied lied lilas Alio lourist.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I always thought I was sick.

Speaker 16 (22:08):
Basis of rocks Man, Oh yeah, basis good.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
That's so good.

Speaker 7 (22:15):
M I love it with gender does this kind of ship.

Speaker 17 (22:27):
Chazzy Yeah, mid Southern god against sixtravagant.

Speaker 9 (22:34):
It's a new term canon sty.

Speaker 18 (22:41):
It's a beauty mart love all beauty mind on the
Personal Fraid of Space.

Speaker 12 (22:56):
N Sound the Chista.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That was tantrump the opening track.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I'm gonna say this right off the bat, this is
one of Ginger's all time best songs.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
To me, they don't play fast ship. They're very like
grew weren't like very mid tempo.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, this one goes back and forth on it like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
I think the hooks are really sick. I think, uh
Tatiana's performance is awesome. Bass players killing. I'm glad he's
got some time to shine a little bit jazz, Like
what else would you want from Ginger?

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Like this is It's a good way to start the album,
Like this is us fucking like doing what we do best.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, it's like trying something new with the fast stuff
and then still bringing in what people love about Ginger
wrapped in one song. So I think it's a really
good song. To me, it's my this I'm just gonna
say this is my favorite song on the album. Is
the opening track.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
I can see that.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah. Uh bozie thoughts on Trum. I like it it
I don't.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
I was a little thrown off a bit at the beginning,
but then once like the uh the chorus kicked in
and then the little end, the little bridge at the end,
I like to remind me of reminding a lot of Pisces.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, there you go. Yeah, that's that's kind of what
I was. I was getting to like and.

Speaker 5 (24:25):
Pisce exactly one of my favorite songs from Ginger, just
because I'm a Pisces and it just looked so nice.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I like it, this guy, sorry, I like.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
I like the song Capricorn because I'm a Capricorn, I'm
a fish, I'm a snake, I'm a leathery snake.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
It's a good song regardless. So I just I mean,
from what you get are saying, I feel like this
is it.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
No listen to the album.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
So just when I say this is my favorite song
on the album, this is after I've listened to the
album three times, and this is always a song that
I go back to and I'm like, oh, let me
throw on some new Ginger. It's easy because the first
song on the record, so it's like whatever. But I
think as time goes on, because I have a Ginger playlist,
this is on the Ginger playlist now.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
So Rudy thoughts some tantrum. All right, let's see. I
like the bass. The bass really stands out a lot.
The bassis.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah, well, I mean if you say the bass sucked,
I'd probably kick you on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
He's amazing. Yeah, yeah, I know the bassis. Like the
bassis stands out the most out of the whole band.

Speaker 7 (25:39):
For me.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
That's about all I can say right now. I would say,
what you feel, that's it. That's it. Literally, literally, I
mean I'm telling I'm saying, I like the bassis, Well,
how do you feel about the song? I'm surprised, right.

Speaker 6 (25:53):
If I'm being completely honest, I mean, like I I
like the music, but when she starts doing cleans, she loses.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Me completely, and you're forgiving on vocals, I am, I like, lordie, dude,
like I you know, it's just I don't know something
about her jazz.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
I'm sorry, Yeah, that's probably right. It's probably right, Like
you would say this is jazzy, like I mean, this
is jazz. Yes, I hear this right now. Yeah, But
her her vocal, what would you what would you call that?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Like vocals? That's it.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's no, it's well, it's singing. It's it's actual singing.
She's it's not just like if you were to tell
me who's who's a singer that does clean vocal? From
Jesse Leech from kill Switch, Tatiana is a real singer,
like she is a legit singer. Like she she has
a high range and she does all kinds of ship,
strong fluctuation, band's notes like she's a singer singer. You know,

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she could probably do a fucking pop song, or she
could do an R and B song, or a jazz
song like she's such, she's so varied. Yeah, I mean,
I mean, like I I I don't know, really what
the fuck? I don't know how you don't like her voice?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Sometimes it's just like it's just like you the voice thing,
like sometimes people just don't like a certain voice, like.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
For example, one one example, I always bring to you
you hate Mustaine's voice. Yeah, you can't sing. No, he
can't sing. You cannot look at me.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Nowhere near. He's a different category.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, he's I don't think his vocals are bad though
I think, Okay, that's what I'm saying that Okay, it's
a different it's a different of opinion. Tony doesn't like
David Staine's voice, but that it's but see, your your
argument is gonna be oh, because she can actually sing,
But that's just your opinion. I mean there's a lot

(27:46):
that I can explain. I think it's she has a Okay,
he's pretty fucking well known and he's successful. Can you
really say he's a terrible singer?

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Yeh, terrible, Absolutely, I would say even he can say
is himself a vocalist? Like you know what I mean,
Like he's like I know he knows he can't sing, like,
so he's always considered himself like a vocalist.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
You know, you know what you do know we did
do one episode. We just sit down Will and we
will discuss. We will discuss Dave Mustaine's vocals.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
We'll be like, I mean, I could do it for you.
Talk about me.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
As his autobiography states, it sounds like two cats. Fucking god.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
It's a voice thing. It's a voice thing.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I guess honestly, it goes down. It's just a me thing.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Dude.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
I like my metal a certain way, and maybe it's
just like the because for example, we're talking about Lacuna Oil.
I don't really dig Lacuna Coil at all either.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Okay, well we're gonna do a spirit Box episode. So yeah, yeah,
Like fuck, dude, I don't know, man, is.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
There any because you obviously like clean sing you're you're
you're okay with clean singing.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, he's like, girls clean, What about prove proved me wrong?
What about the hold on, hold On, hold on the
back of the back of the opera? So he loves
that singing. That's that well, that actual singing. It is
actual singing.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
But it's more classical, but it's a hyper specific style.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
It's like opera, like, well, this is a certain style
as well. This is just normal singing. This is just
kind of ship.

Speaker 5 (29:35):
So it's like, so, like Cake, you don't like the guy, Cake, look,
you don't let I'm not gonna let Cake.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Gary mentioned on my podcast.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
This fucking band do the band fucking sucks, but I
don't know how they ever got any radio play. Cake
back to Okay, So, so give me another singer aside
from the back of singer and Cradle of filth, who's
on like four songs.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
See there's things right sings? So that now we have
a problem. Wow, neither of you. I'm thinking, dude, I'm
trying to think.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
I'm trying to think for him because I obviously I'm
cool with like that. This is like style.

Speaker 16 (30:19):
I don't like girls in metal.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
No, I never said that. No, I never once said
that I don't like girls singing and metal. Keep it,
keep it bottle bleeding through the keyboards.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Didn't she do black beans, no Mornican sing Okay, well
I thought she did very I thought she did a
few fucking female singers.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
There's very few like your favorite fucking band.

Speaker 19 (30:42):
Who my favorite band?

Speaker 1 (30:45):
One of your favorite bands? Which one? Which one?

Speaker 16 (30:47):
Are you to me?

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah? Yeah? But she doesn't sing the wait wait home
on No.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yeah, he's talking about Angela.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Angela doesn't sing ever, she screams.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
If it's just the singing thing. I I totally get it, dude.
I'm like riding that fucking borderline of just like.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
I don't understand how there's this whole island over here
of music.

Speaker 18 (31:17):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
And you guys are going on, you guys are going okay,
I will call you guys out right now, hold on,
hold on.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
It's a proper background music.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Proper background music right now, just to.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Just to get we gotta set the mood. It's not
going to be.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It's not gonna be. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Look, guys, you guys cannot post in the chat with
Brandon and John and everybody else in there. Are we
have a BBLD group chat, big little dicks. You guys
cannot post in the chat. We are very forgiving of vocals.
Oh I am no, you're not. You are literally cutting
off an entire section of music because you're like, I
don't like chicks singing the metal like you know how

(32:00):
much as you're missing out on and I'm fine, like
you're not, like, I forgive.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
It, like it's a lot of it's a big island.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
It's a big island.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
It's a big island, a lot like just in.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
The next thirty days were reviewing Ginger and spirit Box. Yeah,
both female from the bands and two of the biggest
metal bands in the scene right now.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
For the record, i'd been listening to any of the
Coil and looking the Coil has been fucking awesome.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
And what did you say about Christina's voice that she's.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Fucking like has some killer ass choruses. I thought, I
thought I heard you say something different. No, she just
keeps getting better. Like, am I crazy last time I
heard it?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
No, No, that he he did actually say Who's who
said they like?

Speaker 6 (32:44):
I'm pretty sure I was the one that you're the
one that says said she loses me when she starts
doing clean.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
When she's doing the one job she has in the band,
fucking rudy. Sorry, man, I'm just I'm being honest with you.
It's okay, all right, good to you now, Please don't
this is fun.

Speaker 6 (33:01):
It's a great singer. I mean, she is a good singer.
I'm not saying she's not. I'm just saying for me.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, I like my metal, fucking aggressive, angry and fucking weird.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't like my guitar players from Sweden and playing melodic,
so I don't like melodic solo. I don't like any
melodic solo ever.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
I like just that's true, just bens and carry king.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Right, that's what's the same thing, guys, the same ship.
That's like me saying I don't like any clean guitars
on my music. If there's a clean guitar section, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Everyone I like that. But I'm comparing the the argument
of the debate.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
You know, have you ever heard how certain people that
eat fucking cilantro it says it tastes like soap.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah, have you heard of that? Right, this is what
she feels like soap.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's a texture problem, texture problem, textra Right.

Speaker 8 (34:03):
This is me.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
It's a thing. I can admit it. It's a me thing.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Now, I know why you never liked any band I
was ever in before. By the time, and so holy,
it makes so much goddamn sense.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
And you.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
You the same thing. You're engaged with the girl who
was in my bad I like, I like, I can appreciate.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I've definitely learned a lot. I'll say that, but uh, keepers, dude,
I like it when I like.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
It, We're gonna we're gonnall. I'm gonna tell Brennan tomorrow,
last night, Alex and Ready both the men they don't
like girl singing.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I like, am I not?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Am I not accurate? Here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
I can show you a lot of girls singing, but
it's not going to be in metal. But all right,
girl singing in metal get.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
So you have like genres where it's.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Like I listened to a lot of E.

Speaker 7 (34:49):
D M.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's like girls like singing, singing, singing. So he doesn't
have a probable girl singing. He just he just thinks
women singing don't doesn't have a place in metal music.

Speaker 16 (34:59):
I mean kind of the headline.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I'm not saying it doesn't have a place. It's just
you're like, you're like, you're like the Donald Trump of metal.
Taste like, can't sing in metal? Can't say no, I
just said he doesn't like it. I don't like, I don't,
I don't like, I don't. I just don't Chase it.
I don't chase it. I don't look for it. I

(35:22):
don't know it'd be better if it wasn't there. I
never said that. I just I'm just saying I feel like.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
This is you were right. This is like bring me
the Horizon, like my episode. So you're carrying the torch.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I love it. I'm not trying. I don't even know
what you're arguing with me. The Horizon was also, I
just don't like it sings Eli. He's like, oh dude,
I'd rather listen to this than fucking bring me the Horizon.
I was like, you're crazy, brother.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
I said, I'd rather have uh till Lindenman sing over
the whole bring Me the Horizon.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
We're gonna get to the second song. Jesus, okay, the
next song, so so oh, okay, Sorry, I'm dying on
this hill. Bro, It's a weird fucking hill to die on.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Rudy. I'm just like, was okay with he's not cutting
out an entire section of music because the artists are
d Y, Rudy, I'm not cutting at I don't support
any band. That said support. I just said I don't
chase it. I don't chase any band that does for itself.
All right, all right, all right, I'm just getting shut

(36:26):
all right. The next song is called Hedonist.

Speaker 9 (36:53):
A lot of time and.

Speaker 18 (37:00):
All the preasures to ride down wrong h crankle pleasure.

Speaker 12 (37:06):
Some minor space. The last half in my way.

Speaker 18 (37:11):
Let it be a pan of game, droning and way
my carbine be.

Speaker 12 (37:22):
You're dunting and design sacrema, the trees, cliface, some momentary
prother sore my baskins, right, my uppers, my game.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
All right here aist.

Speaker 8 (37:49):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I didn't ask you. Don't be angry at me.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
You're angry at it.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm not angry at no, angry at hold on, we'll
get to you. Okay, it's so excited slow roll, shut
your mouth. I just saw it last night. Uh Rudy,
amazing singer. It really is.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
But the both of you like with thirty seconds into
the song and I could already see Alex just this is.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
Not my favorite song, I will say that, but it's impressio.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
This is core here good love, it said, Actually, this
is what I was looking for. So Ginger does not.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Ginger is not known for playing breakdowns, so when they
started doing breakdowns on this album.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
I was like, holy ship, we're doing ginger breakdowns. Sorry.
I started at that Rudy so.

Speaker 20 (38:58):
I went a little peop.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Jo shot.

Speaker 9 (39:05):
That's John Fahni saw so dog Star Sig down.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
Die Die whops dons down.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
That's my gas all right, that's that section right there,
bad badass. I'll give you that. But everything else now okay,
as damn it. I didn't say everything else. I just
said vocals before that something. It's different. It's just you know,
I got you too, I got you, uh one hundred dinno.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
I probably like it a little more. I actually don't
mind Tatiana. Uh that one song that like where they
went viral like that was my first I'm hearing her
and I was like, holy shit, like I've never heard
something like this before. What to me is impressive is
that she can They can be playing some progue, fucking

(40:10):
proggly like shit, and then she can still like create
something a narrative above and I feel like a lot
of singers can't do that right, but she is. I
don't know, she just weaves it all together. So that's
always been my favorite thing about Tutana.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
I think writing wise, the impressive thing about Tatiana. She
can write with really heavy riffs.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That have should not have complicated shit.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
That's like finding melody in Cannibal Corpse, right, It's like
the fuck but she makes it work, and I think
that's part of her success.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Yeah, for sure, this fucking break down I got there
right at the end. I'm still sick though, Baji thoughts
on a hedonists, it's we gotta get into. The catch
is for you. I like it. I like it, I

(41:03):
like it, like it, I like it, I like it,
I like it the shirt made. What do you think
of the song? I like it, like Buddy Jesus, uh No,
It's it's good. I love her vocals on it. The fucking.

Speaker 5 (41:20):
Like this the bass players tones as like the bass
tones like for the lap for for the Ginger and
fucking the new kill Switch like their fucking killer.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So it's like, I'm really liking this. Like I don't know.
I like her voice.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
I think her voice is fine, and I just I
don't know. I feel like it's different and that's why
I like it. It's just very different. So yeah, I mean,
I think it's a good song. I don't I don't
see why you all don't.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
See people like us listen to clean singing. We understand
the colors that are being painted on. I know I
listened to a lot of clean singing skin.

Speaker 16 (42:05):
But yeah, that's right. You know, for being bigots, we
get real intimate.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
We just shout went up each other.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Women. You know what, dude, By the end of this show,
I really hope I can come up with the singing
female and metal. But now, like I'm trying, dude, that's
like I keep going on the front of mine. I
know there's gotta be one fucking because I know I
listened to a lot of chicks and metal, dude, just
just not none of them that sings aggress Like, I

(42:40):
don't know that it's just like women. What about it's
a formula, dude, I don't know. It's about metal the
women and they're from Japan. To them that I love Japan.
They're only good at your mask. I love Japan. They
give us the fucking best thing ever invent to Pokemon

(43:01):
that in my head I'm making up the voice. I think,
like this is like very big, Like why dude, he's
like metal? Like those death metal dudes, they were camel
fucking pants I'm wearing and I take a glance, and
I'm like you, You're like, yep, I'm fucking with you.
But I don't hate Okay, I want everybody to be clear.

(43:25):
I do not hate Tatiana. I don't hate you. You're good.
Just you prefer your screams. You prefer the metal scream,
the you know the.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And if it was like that, better scary scary stuff.
You know, she has an amazing metal voice. So, uh,
did we get to you?

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Or you're I get you? Alright? Alright, alright, we're gonna
get to rogue. The third track, that's a good one.

Speaker 8 (44:01):
Try starts log John don start jos Ant down sim.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
Drunk and all the sage on the jobs go along.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
N all down the road, the one.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Or the subtimes.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
The fries and all rounjick bots rob the rottide everywhere,
firks roll the roches sides learns all round jack bos.

Speaker 8 (44:45):
But I said, I say, start that shine. I guess
that's what I told you about mother eyes guys fay
ron shine Rocha, says Jock.

Speaker 9 (44:56):
For the odds that rochie sn God.

Speaker 8 (45:03):
Goes out your job, getting all their slade.

Speaker 10 (45:10):
The job.

Speaker 11 (45:11):
I start going out.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
That's good, that's good. That's great singing once whatever. It
was sick dude, and the bass the basis is like
the place due you know, Like I was thinking about
what what what that bass tone? What it remind me of?

Speaker 5 (45:39):
Oh, teps ascension it. I was like, why did it
sound so like like familiar spanky? It's spanky, And it
was like, that's why it sounds like it's I mean,
the bass was killer on that album as well, but it's.

Speaker 6 (45:53):
Just yeah, the guts you reminds me a lot of
the like the basis from mud Rain. Yeah, yeah, that's
Ryan Artin.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
All right, handy.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
It's one of my favorite tracks from this album. Uh,
that's that's all I'm gonna say. It's cool man, It's
just like I'm trying to head bank to. It reminds
me when I first saw Gojira, like early go Jira,
Like like, how the fuck do I head bank to?

Speaker 9 (46:20):
This?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Ship's cool?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Is this groove metal? No, it's prog metal progue yeah, prog.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
So it's it's all over the place with it's time
temperatures and just doing all kinds of weird ship.

Speaker 10 (46:32):
What I like?

Speaker 21 (46:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
What I like?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It's this song is on the way heavier stuff but
I mean the last this whole album is on the
heavier side. This is like the heaviest thing I think
they put out. I'll get some more of that later,
but it's awesome to have them like have this song
that fucking.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
So groovy.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
No, yeah, definitely this was Rogue, right Rogue.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, the third song Bajie thoughts on Rogue, good song,
fucking low.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
Like I said, the bass is just like that's where
I'm I'm I'm loving that. That tone, it's just very
just very like it's the very in your face tone
and it's just.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
It's good. It's good. Okay. Yeah, I dig this track.
Uh not one of my top on the album. I
did dig this one a lot.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
I appreciate that it's that it's heavier vocally than the last,
so I think musically it's the same ship.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, the musically this album doesn't.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Really change all that much, aside from a couple of
little jazzy person are in there. Musically kind of if
they have the one sound, it's the one heavy sound,
and they don't really detract that too much except with tantrum.
So anyways, so we're gonna get into the next song,
which is a song called tumblebeet.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Mine's a masson yeah, school ard.

Speaker 18 (48:25):
They asked me between roses, open my eyes a mountain doors.

Speaker 12 (48:32):
I don't recognize. I don't realize.

Speaker 9 (48:36):
I was.

Speaker 18 (48:39):
With body Rollo, just a little bit of wad by

(49:00):
the storm into.

Speaker 12 (49:02):
The make oh dear canned far a dulling mister torm
that the stranger too, lisen my bad? Have you heard
of the storm from there?

Speaker 9 (49:19):
Heard in my horn?

Speaker 12 (49:22):
I shall crush hut by a beautiful time.

Speaker 18 (49:30):
Lighting and blast job, the insurrected shout.

Speaker 12 (49:38):
I barely survived the fast both walty like cot.

Speaker 8 (49:55):
Read bad.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Is that type of that type of vocal, like the
type of thing she's doing.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
So that's already a little more than half the tracks
now I think they can she gets in the heavier south.
What I love about this song is to me, it's
like like, uh, to me, it's like there's a painting.
This is when I think of this song. It's and
it's I don't think of music in this way for
some reason, but I thought it with this song. It's
like a painting, right like someone and then someone wrote poetry.

(50:25):
It's like a beautiful painting and beautiful poetry over it
and It's like she's reading the poetry on this canvas
of music because there is no like real hook, there's
no chorus, it's just kind of it just goes. So
I think it's a really interesting take on on their sound,
and I enjoyed it. I appreciate the effort. Again, probably

(50:49):
not one of my favorite Ginger of songs, but I
do like the vibe.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Of this song a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
So that's me.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Rudy.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
I was gonna say, I like the tone. It seems
very dark, you know, like kind of eerie, fucking you know, Chilren,
I'm gonna bring up something to you know.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
We're not giving no names. We're not getting no names.
Do you happen to like reggae?

Speaker 12 (51:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Okay, I mean once upon a time ago when I
was really really stoned, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
But I bring it up because Tatiana her biggest She
listens to almost nothing but reggae, and so like I feel,
if you take her voice and you put it with reggae,
and I'm not talking about like Bob Martley and smoking
like real reggae music, right, you take her voice, A
lot of reggae singers sing like the way she does.

(51:43):
Push it not to the limit, but just enough where
it's there and she kind of stays there, you know
what I mean? Because I think like just to as
a just a very very quick example, a lot of
people were talking about when they did Judgement or Judgment day.
Let me pull it up real quick, right, oh, Judgment

(52:05):
and Punishment when they had the reggae part. How well
her voice fit that did? She's singing reggae? Yeah she is,
but she that's all she does if you really listen
to it. So just play the quick part of that.

Speaker 8 (52:31):
We came from the lamb wacodness weakness.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
So her style is that? Why? Yeah? Yeah, I don't
like reggae? Is there a reason you like regg Get
into that reggae?

Speaker 8 (52:52):
Just?

Speaker 6 (52:52):
I mean it's so slow, it's very like I'm the
complete OPICI who comes to music that I need something
fast paced, high energy, fucking non though, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
So, yeah, that actually does make sense there you go?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
So, yeah, so her style I don't know about her background.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, so she listens to like nothing but reggae, and uh.

Speaker 9 (53:09):
It just makes sense.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Is she a rasta? I don't think so, I don't
think so, I'll ask Brennan. He's uh he's friends with
her boyfriend, so really yeah, with Alex, who's the drummer,
I forget.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I don't even know if I could say the name anyways. Anyways,
so see that, I just fucking had a whole collision
course in my head.

Speaker 7 (53:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
So her voice leans a lot more Reagan. I think
that was the price of listeners. We're like Courtney from
steer Box. Her voice is reminiscent of like nineties R
and B M pop, but brought into metal music modern metal.
Tatiana is more on the reggae side because she doesn't
something different, like this is her real voice. So I
don't know, Uh, we're gonna go to a hondre now.

(53:59):
Thoughts on tumble Weeding.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
It's still good track, you know. I think it's like
probably in the B line, you know, my roguan the
first track are like still superior. But yeah, man, like
I said, she fucking illustrate Like you said, she illustrates
fucking the story and shit with her voice. And it's
like very like borderline fantastical at times where're just like

(54:24):
I'm just listening to the words, you know, I don't
listen to words that much, but she makes me want
to listen to the words. She's telling me a story
before I go to bed.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Beautiful Boshi.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
Fucking love this song, to be honest with you, fucking
love that. I mean I didn't know that whole reggae things,
but it makes sense. And so I'm just like, because
now you can hear it, I can hear. And the
thing is, I do love reggae. Reggae is fucking one
of my one of my my guilty pleasures, like some
Barrington Levy sometimes just.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Going to bed. It's fucking weird, like reggae.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I just I like, I like reggae. I would pin
him for more of a reggae fan than you. I
had my reggae face, he had his face. I was,
like I said, but like hearing it more, I I
do like it. I appreciate it more, and it does.
I like it sounds great. Just there is one thing
but that I'm starting to see with these songs. But

(55:24):
I'll say that at the end. Okay, We're gonna move
to the next one. This is actually I believe it's
the first single off the record. This was Green Serpent.
This is this song is Green Serpent. This is what
I thought the album is Actually gonna sound like when
I heard this song and it turned out not to
be the case.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
So here we go. This is Green Serpent from Duel.

Speaker 20 (55:52):
That sounds cool.

Speaker 21 (56:01):
No grapeself from the dome, No grapeeself from the dog.
Please add some super water into heavywine.

Speaker 12 (56:17):
Don't turn into a raging store.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
Its peaceful night.

Speaker 12 (56:28):
Chris Pison, my.

Speaker 9 (56:41):
Gras put you out.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
The bad out job gross dom low, Yeah, I got
stunt in my yard, go gloss or fallen job y'all
you go.

Speaker 14 (56:57):
God wal By wall On.

Speaker 8 (57:01):
Judge drum stop jun joy, I don't drive or why
should yes not?

Speaker 9 (57:09):
Dry so on the bottle, there's.

Speaker 8 (57:11):
Stubt on I'll dry song down.

Speaker 12 (57:15):
It's sun.

Speaker 9 (57:17):
You take it?

Speaker 8 (57:18):
You m l in.

Speaker 9 (57:37):
Sun shine.

Speaker 8 (57:40):
Their song Joms no no brow on the Sunday Night
run dug sun black, Why that dried?

Speaker 11 (57:54):
Ye Gods so.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Green Serpent. I'm going to say this just up front.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
I feel like this song was written at a different
point during the writing process, maybe early on, because there
is so much more thought into her vocal performance on
this song than on any of the previous songs we
have so far.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Like you, I feel like you can actually tell that
she put a lot.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
More effort into writing pership for this song because there's
so much more going on that she doesn't normally do,
and even the hooks are different than what the last
couple of songs were. Yeah, it sounds almost like it's
on a different album, Like when you think about it,
sounds like it's not the same. It's two different albums,
Like this belonged more on like Macro and stuff like

(58:43):
that than it does on this album.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
That's just me. I really love this song. This is
what it stand frum our probably my two favorites transitioning
do you have those? Yeah, so Baji thoughts on Green Serpent.
I liked it. It's it's like what I'm it is
it is.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
I can tell that it is very different from like
the beginning to this, like, yeah, there's like a difference
in in her in I guess in her vocal performance.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
But I mean I like it.

Speaker 5 (59:17):
Nonetheless, it's still good, Like there's nothing there's nothing like that.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I see that.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
I'm like, I don't. I don't know why anybody would
it would it like the album or you know, But
I mean it's starting to become more clear and clear
to me.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
What I think.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
Is what I there's something there that there's something there
that's just weird.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Okay, handy thoughts on Green Serpent.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
It's a good track. Yeah, I agree with you. Like
the the vocal, like she that range, like she opened
it up for sure, like this this song around kind
of like you know. I also felt the same way
just side note, like Lacuna Coile's latest album. I felt like, Damn,

(01:00:08):
Christina's like fucking hitting some highs and you know, and
ship and where it's like fuck yeah, like fucking get it.
So yeah, great track. I mean I like it more
than the previous one.

Speaker 16 (01:00:20):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
No, hey, hey, hey hold on, let me let me
get to it. Rudy, what are your thoughts on Green Serpent? Bro?

Speaker 6 (01:00:33):
She changed up her voice a bit with the whole singing.
There was like different versions and styles of it right now.
Her voice actually reminded me of you guys ever heard
of port his head reminded me of Bath like big
time when she was doing there. Yeah, like she does
that and see that's a band that I love as

(01:00:54):
a female singer. But it's not necessarily metal. You're really
just trying to I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
I don't want to be I don't want to be that.
Guys like he just like chick singing, Well he fucking
you're not the only one in the room.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
I don't like it either, but I like the narrative,
all right.

Speaker 6 (01:01:12):
So I feel like in this one she definitely had
a wider range, not just the like I said earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
To me, it feels like she's just talking. In this one,
I did see like different like levels of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
So, okay, all right, cool, we're gonna move into the
next song. This is I'm gonna I think this is
how you pronounce it coughka CoA k a f k
a not goka maturity got but with.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
An F no got chicking out with no with the
without the F. It's goa. All right, let's see if
Rudy likes this song. Oh this is God got.

Speaker 22 (01:02:21):
Hardy and the spirit of the era tell the kid
and skilled Wan appeared in front of the jury, plays
some covert against the wind.

Speaker 17 (01:02:40):
In his life and prepared with the screen and reverse
beauty of books, the beauty.

Speaker 9 (01:02:52):
Of fat froten of it exact recommend and angry is
she in the never above blo.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
So I was going to take as going.

Speaker 12 (01:03:13):
To when come hill On morning and Greger Joseph well
be neglecting.

Speaker 9 (01:03:30):
A fully accu.

Speaker 12 (01:03:34):
Wrevancher will cat.

Speaker 18 (01:03:43):
Wi see to the ecod I guessie job.

Speaker 12 (01:03:53):
My condorsing hill, stay on to.

Speaker 19 (01:03:58):
Bristost all right, I'm gonna stop it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Song sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah. I think it's a vocal it's a heavy vocal song, right,
But musically it doesn't keep me interested.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I think both.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
It's not an interesting melody and it's not interesting music.
I mean, it's cool when it starts you have like
that Coold group, but it's a groove that should go
somewhere and it just kind of it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Does, but it doesn't Plateau sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
And when I said, like with Green Serpent, it feels
like she puts so much more thought and effort into
that song, but this one just kind of like I
found what I'm gonna do, and then you have your
heavy stuff like this.

Speaker 8 (01:05:01):
Yet bad gets down down dun es god yeah, stopes yeah, yes, yes.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
Out by.

Speaker 14 (01:05:17):
On Josh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
To me, that's sick as fuck. The problem with that
is that that's three minutes into the songs. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
When I looked at this when it when it started
playing three it was three minutes on the dock, So
I don't. I think it's one of those things of like,
you know, it's poor songwriting, like when when you really
look at it, it's like you guys just kind of
just wait to get to this point, but it's almost unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You didn't have to wait that long.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Nothing interesting is really happening here, and then you get
to the good ship, the meat, the fucking cream in
the middle of the donut, right or the cream feeling.
But by that point you've kind of already lost interest,
so kind of kills off the song.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
See. I think that's just poor songwriting.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
I would have left this one out of the album.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Oh yeah, worked it, and I think it was actually
one of those singles too.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Really add a choice for a single in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
That is changed like the single, like the version of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I don't think shortened version. It gets the playing fast act.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Like, yeah, I don't know. If I can't agree with you,
it's very.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
I think we all kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah for you too is the best one? Yeah, right
now I'm on bore the Rudy.

Speaker 17 (01:06:38):
This one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Actually, I like this one. I love this song.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I don't know why that's your voice I love this song,
Get out of my Head. That's what that's like, Ben
Kingsley and iron Man three.

Speaker 16 (01:06:55):
You'll never see me coming, dude, God damn thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
All right, So the song sucks. Uh so that's yeah,
So that's gonna hurt the rating. I think for all
of us, no matter where we're at, I think that.
I think having a song that's not as good as
the other songs is one thing. Having a song that
sucks is just I think. I'm I'm being blunt honest.
That song fucking sucks. That is not a good song.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
M it sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
I think it's extremely poor songwriting from very talented musicians,
and I feel like they maybe they needed something right
they're writing rut.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
I don't know. This song should not be on the album.
Quote meet the quote. So it turns out that cough
Cut is actually that guy. It was the old time.
Uh see, there's a Trump in me too. I got you.

(01:07:51):
There's there's a Donald Trump. And man, when when we
talk about women in who's singing metal, you just want
them to port it out of the genre. You want
them to port Oh god, dude, your fucking brother, bad
bother and Rudy be like, yeah, when we should be metal.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Do you know what his brother did? Oh yeah, you
posted the chat right? His brother put cameras alongside that
wild because a red beam was.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
Because apparently he thinks someone is shining like you know
those red like the laser pants. He thinks someone is
shining into his room.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
You know, it's shining into his room. Someone's trying to
snipe him. Do you know what it is? Do you
know what shining into his room?

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
But it's a little thing called schizophrenic, little friend, and
it gets worse as you get older.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So it's not gonna get easier from here, Boji, look
forward to.

Speaker 8 (01:08:51):
This.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Next song is called dark Bile Biot.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
I like that.

Speaker 20 (01:09:13):
He's your rush y, my servant to.

Speaker 9 (01:09:19):
My master, miney.

Speaker 12 (01:09:26):
Money shin my bad mad mad Money, said.

Speaker 9 (01:09:39):
Sad joll all live b.

Speaker 8 (01:09:53):
Shock y'all, marry y'all, glass want John Ball.

Speaker 9 (01:09:59):
Y'all for shop projects.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
So I like it very It's more interesting than the one.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
Yeah, definitely, definitely like I I think I'm starting to
plateau with the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Yeah what.

Speaker 8 (01:10:41):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
What are your thoughts on Dark Vial? Is it dark vial?
Is it dark enough for you? Is it vile or
viol or bio vile right b is it b or b.

Speaker 7 (01:10:52):
B B like like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
She she threw up. Okay, I doesn't look happy right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Oh my god, it's plateau, dude, at some plant like
this is where the whole one you said, I'm gonna
say it. You can say save it all right?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
All right, so I like I want to we're gonna
mark that thought at what are you guys trying to say?
You guys gonna finally like, Oh, you're right, Rudy, this
is you're right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
You're right, Rudy, you know what, Rudy, Ruddy, you're right,
you're right, you know what, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Women should not sing in metal. I agree with you.
I'm Rudy. I'm a bigot, bigot, I'm a bigot, Rudy.

Speaker 7 (01:11:40):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Wait until you guys find out what my opinions are
on gazing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
It's funny because this whole time, I swear to funk,
I've been thinking about female artists and metal, dude, but
they all do scream the ones I like, they all scream.
There's a shipload it probably because you don't want to
like the women singing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Sounds like that's like you mother.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
I'm sorry to feel like that's a little funked up.
I'm not giving them a chance. But I know I
like chicks that sing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I know I do. Just it's not metal. It's like
I don't like I don't know, man, it's like putting
catch up on my pancakes. I can't, I can't. I'm
gonna ask.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
I'm gonna ask Brandon to come in for the spirit
Box episode. Because Brandon tore Alex apart during the wage
War episode.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
That's how I know he's a twist that knife.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
He's all, you know, motherfucker you sounding dumb too? What Alex?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
I don't like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
I just I want to like it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
And Brandon is like you, you don't like it because
you don't want to like it. You don't want to
let yourself like. Everything's not a long time. It's metal,
it's heavy, it's industrial, all the things that make upthetics
and you like it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
So he fucking dug into you. I want to see
him go on you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Brandon goes in on all of us.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
See the problem, Rudy is that only crazy bitches sing
cleans and metal, and you are notorious for liking crazy bitches.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
I would like this. I mean you can like them,
but you don't have to like they're singing. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
I I fucked with the analogy. I probably they're nice,
but you like crazy bitches all right. Anyways, I'm trying
to make next song is called Fast Draw Fast and Furious.

Speaker 7 (01:13:25):
Blake, Who you die?

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I'm sick.

Speaker 14 (01:13:32):
I like this.

Speaker 8 (01:13:33):
No shash die Bob Adada swap.

Speaker 9 (01:13:39):
Shares Yeah, yess shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
You breds rocks.

Speaker 23 (01:13:47):
Shoes Yeah, Sea sapes.

Speaker 14 (01:14:01):
Yeah Shah Yes.

Speaker 9 (01:14:15):
You are well Esta, damn right.

Speaker 23 (01:14:25):
Down, tell myself yu side o.

Speaker 9 (01:14:32):
God my said, I said my song I was on
was a god.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Okay, Okay, I know I'm turnning it down during like
a sick party. This song, to me, second best song
on the albums a good one. I love Trum that much,
though I love Tantrum. To me is like up here
with draw Ship. If it was a potent Trum, this
would be the best song on the album.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
What if this track follow up Tantrum? Fucking it was
fall out of the park. I think also the way
the album is sequenced too. That's also a huge problem
with this album.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
They're writing a lot of number two and number three tracks.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Yeah, this one should be up top like when a
new listener is listening to Ginger, they should be like,
oh fucking Tentionrum was sick. Oh second track was sick,
and then maybe put Green Serpent, oh sick. I mean
then you're already You're already piquing their interests early on.
I think that the way this album's sequence is very poor.
But I love this song. I think this song is
fu killer. I love when Ginger goes fast. I think

(01:15:29):
they have such a sick, unique tone when they do. Yeah,
Rudy thoughts on fast Draw. This is the best song
out of the album for me so far.

Speaker 14 (01:15:38):
It was.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Like full on, like the whole time. Dude, they didn't like,
you know, like that froggy. This wasn't progby to me
at all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Right, a little bit. It's more straightforward than some of
the other stuff. Yeah, yeah, but I feel like this
was way more fast paced. I think it's also too so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Their shows are awesome, but their shows are not like
pit songs, right Like, they're very much like you stand
there and watch them play, and I think they put
with a lot of bands that do get down, like
do fucking do some ship. I think on the song
they try to write some stuff like help get the
crowd going a little bit, you know, like this ship
right here? Yeah, yeah, let's say handy thoughts on Fast Wrong.

(01:16:21):
It's a pretty badass track for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
It's like the top three Green Star Bank Tantrum this
one rogue four sorry, top.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
Four okay, uh Bojie thoughts on fast Row. It's a
good song.

Speaker 10 (01:16:36):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
It's very very gingery. It's not very gingery. I don't know,
like's I just said.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
It's different from here, dude, you don't have to worry
you about me, to worry about your fucking bigot.

Speaker 8 (01:16:53):
Just like.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
I'll just I'll say, I'll sell you a piece at
the end. It's just like, it's a good it's a
good song, don't get me wrong. Like if I if
I if it popped.

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Up on the on my Well, the question is do
you like the song?

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
I like the song.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Yeah, it's a good song. So that it's a good song.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
It's for you to elaborate, but I think you've already
elaborated on why you don't like this album.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
But we'll get to that. Yeah, we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
We'll get to that place. The next song is another
single off the album. This one's called someone's daughter.

Speaker 8 (01:17:23):
I like to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Cuty to be another one should puts so much thought
into the vocals.

Speaker 9 (01:17:33):
Yeah song.

Speaker 12 (01:17:41):
To Worrior, what's that from?

Speaker 16 (01:17:47):
And to Joy.

Speaker 12 (01:17:55):
Jackson sign.

Speaker 9 (01:18:01):
Damn so.

Speaker 12 (01:18:08):
To jump back to the world and to swing my
song My gentleness is turn into the to.

Speaker 9 (01:18:30):
My song.

Speaker 12 (01:18:31):
This kid is nothing but this kid.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
Okay, Someone's daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
The Brits sections are great.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Before you go home with her, always gonna remember she's
somebody's daughter. It's always somebody who's daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Watch the Netflix with Someone's daughter. I think this song
is fantastic. I think the song is really really good.
But again, I think what I'm trying to say is
there is such a difference in the quality of songwriting.
I think this is why songwriting is so important. It's

(01:19:06):
not just because of cool riffs. It's how the riffs floats,
how the song vible. We're all blends together and melts,
and to me, this is the It's it's a couple
really good songs in an album that's predominantly just poorly written.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I think the band is doing great.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
I think that the arrangements are e I think Tatiana
is probably the weakest point and not because of her voice.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
I think it's because of her writing. That's not The
lyrics are great too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I think it's just the amount of effort she probably
put into writing the majority of this album vocally and
her choice of melodies and vocal performance.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
I think it's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Drastically different from the singles. Yeah, Rudy thoughts on Someone's
daughter on the songs I already.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Know, I know what you think.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
I love the title when know you're thinking about someone's
daughter right now. But okay, words, those chemo pants looking
really tight on you? Boy? Those chemo pants looking really
tight on you? What do you think?

Speaker 9 (01:20:13):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
The the whole, like the songwriting of this whole, the song,
the bridge section, like the build up, it's very slow
build up, and build up to me is like aggressive,
Like vocally it's like very aggressive. But yeah, man, it's
a good one. It's this is probably like top five though,
like number five out of the ones that I mentioned earlier.

(01:20:37):
So it's it's good, but it's barely good, Like I
don't know that makes sense, right, It's not bad. It's
just like we already saw some bangers and then this
one's like, oh it's another good one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Yeah, yeah, I feel no, I don't know all right,
talks on someone's the.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
Song that's a good song, Yeah, just a songwriting just
seems very like I don't know, like they just they
they think I said, they just didn't put a lot
of thought into it. There wasn't Yeah, there was just
wasn't a lot tho into it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
Okay, uh, we're gonna get into the next song. This
is a tongue so fly, a tongue so sly, so sly,

(01:21:39):
very odd.

Speaker 8 (01:21:40):
Closed dolls, twest tarst time out.

Speaker 9 (01:21:52):
You lares all ride until they yeah guy now, why Star,
why Sam Tell why.

Speaker 24 (01:22:08):
Jock shall tear lie rock Star saw fay'll k'all shot
watchous long sauce go to swave.

Speaker 11 (01:22:29):
Were at time south Side were.

Speaker 9 (01:22:33):
Too of fry Yeah fast shouts by they believing in
the woods.

Speaker 12 (01:22:41):
Trying to round with the voice is negatively tune call
acting starts.

Speaker 9 (01:22:48):
Tunc, we're low yows choll cried.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Jack jaws roll fright, Oh so was a ton so sly.
I'm gona start with bogie on this one. It was bland.
It was bland.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Didn't like it's a it's a good it's a like
the risks thing are good it's just it feels bland,
like h Like I said, it's like the plateau, the plateau.
It's like if, like when hearing the album from beginning
to end, if you get to this song, but but
if if you even even if you get to this song,

(01:23:27):
it's like, there isn't much, There isn't much you haven't
already heard, and it's just very bland, to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Be honest, Rudy got some of ad to that.

Speaker 6 (01:23:39):
Exactly what you said, Like you haven't heard like you
already heard this throughout the album. To me, it sounds
like every two songs, like every other song.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
It sounds like this kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
Yeah, yeah, you did you point out that, uh point
out that Jesus Christ I fucked that up?

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
You Yeah, you made that point, and I totally agree
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
It's it does because Ginger has such a specific sound
that they haven't quite fleshed out, So I feel like
it's safe for them to stay in this kind of bubble.
And I don't know, like it's it's cool. It doesn't
do anything for me though. Yeah that's the cool parts,
but like cool parts me don't make a good.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Song, you know, like they have cool, they have cool riffs,
cool little part, but it just doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Not really memorable.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
Yeah, that's exactly what gonna say. I like, would you
say this is memorable note? Because it sounds like every
other song?

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
So this is this last track is the album titled Dual.
We're gonna see if they end on a high note.
We're gonna see if they end on a note that's
you know, I.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Think I remember liking it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
If you think, if you have to, I like the
last song cool on alex Oh you have that memory.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Like last songs sometimes, but yeah, no, I have bad
memory by this. By the last song, dude, you're like
either like plateauing or you're like writing it. Maybe I'm
just blend. But anyways, let's let's let's listen to it
all right.

Speaker 20 (01:25:12):
Duel in a Winter's that segreea?

Speaker 12 (01:25:46):
Where does a place?

Speaker 9 (01:25:47):
Jim?

Speaker 12 (01:25:47):
Please see as well. I'm told to call a boner
a day a bye, just trying to fast your face.
I'm j'm teo last match, so us to the merry
side distop voice. I defends his time, getting inside gone

(01:26:10):
and whisper setting born a barn.

Speaker 22 (01:26:12):
A ride about practice a distance off tense step So
waiver hard.

Speaker 12 (01:26:21):
Have the one same go sister.

Speaker 14 (01:26:31):
Say borrow Jo borrow.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Back side, I'll do thoughts some duel boys wants to
jump in the pool first.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
It's a good song, but I don't think it saves
the album. I don't think it doesn't do anything to
help it. It's a good song, but it just it
doesn't save it, uh HONDI.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's cool, it's really good, but
I think we have enough of these kinds of songs
that that that kind of fill that void. So it's
not it's not a bad thing, but when you have
too many of it, it's hard to tell one child
from another. Yeah, I can't pick a favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
I agree, true fucking albums a little exhausting too, because
it's just there's not a lot going on to keep
an interest, so just kind of exhausts your your.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Attention a little bit. Yeah, Rudy, same same. God damn dude.
I feel like like that we listened to the whole
sing our last thing just talking about this song.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, you know, let's you know, let's get into that
because I think I think we're all kind of on
a very similar wavelength now. I think we started it
was very different and I think as the album went along,
and I think we have different reasons for we all
have different things to speculate. Rudy, I want to hear
your general thoughts on the album and you're rating.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I just feel like.

Speaker 6 (01:28:25):
This, I mean, the song is all kind of like
we're like the same dude. I feel like only like
two or three songs stuck out for me. The one
that stuck out for me the most was Rogue. Okay,
I could see that one was definitely one that I
would say I actually liked. Yeah, But besides that, I
just feel like, you know, it's the same same formula,
the same you know, breakdown, same little like groove, and yeah,

(01:28:50):
you hear one song, it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
It's pretty much the whole album.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
And I think that's a detriment to what prog music
is because yeah, like you can have all these time
signatures and a different arrangement and all that, but when
you just do it all the time, you're not really
doing anything unique with your sound. You're just kind of yeah,
we're at like dream theater. There's I mean, yeah they're unique,
but then they're not. Yeah, you know, so I don't know,

(01:29:15):
I'll probably get some ship for they are very repetitive,
and at least their songwriting and their approach to it. Alex,
oh wait, overdy, rating, let's get your honest rating. It's
probably gonna be the lowest thing I've ever rated, dude.

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
What Yeah, Like, oh, okay, okay, like that's probably I
mean five is like, I don't hate it, I don't
know it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback off that. I'll
do mine right now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
I feel like this album was written at two different
periods in the band's time working on this album, because
it seems like like for me, I dig maybe four
five songs off the record, but I love those songs
because it does sound like there was a lot of
thought put into it, there was more effort, because when
it's the other songs, it's like, this doesn't sound this

(01:30:07):
sounds boring.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Why does this sound boring?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
But then this group of songs over here sounds way
more interesting and more thought out, more planned out and
just kind of you know, just what your actual songwriting
is as opposed to whatever's going on over here. So
I feel like this album was written in two different periods,
and I think maybe the second period they had to
get something out. You know, maybe they were half assing

(01:30:31):
or whatever and they had just had to get down.
They put some shit together. I don't know, but for me,
I think I'm gonna go with Rudy. I'm gonna give
it a five out of ten. The reason I give
it a five out of ten is because I mean,
I don't go by HASI's but there are a small
henful of songs on this record I do like, and
Tantrum is one of my favorite Ginger songs and I

(01:30:52):
totally thought that's what the album was gonna sound like,
and it was kind of and then kind of not
so yeah, So I'll say five out of ten for me,
Alex take it Away, Take it Away?

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
No very similar, I guess. So, like I get it, dude,
Like it's hard to not reavenge yourself, but like just
do something new each album. Maybe not new, right, that's
up to interpretation of each band, So it is hard.
Initially I wanted to give this album like a seven,

(01:31:25):
but hearing this again, you know, like really like and
just getting your everyone's perspectives, I think it's been going
down just because the bad parts of the album do
hurt it. You know, we have that one song where
it's cocka cocka and yeah, you know, there's some low
points where it's like, ah, you know, it's like I'd

(01:31:48):
just rather make put this on my ginger playlist. These
for example, Rogue and Tantrum that was not making the list. Unfortunately,
Zone's going to the trash. But like I said, I
really wanted to give it a seven, you know initially
where it's like it's not great, it's not amazing. It's good,

(01:32:11):
but you know that that part kind of hurts it.
So I'm going to give it six point five.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
Okay, all right, uh elbaji.

Speaker 5 (01:32:23):
I'll be honest. Like hearing this entire album, this is
my biggest complaint. There is nothing memorable on it. And
when you know a prog band, they're known for like memory,
you know, for their weird memory, Like oh my god,
what the you know that fucking part?

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
But do you do you think it's just because there's
too much of it on this album. That's just too
much of the same.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
I think that's what it comes down to, is that
it's too much of the same. So if a if
a part was memorable, it kind of it doesn't be it.
You know, you hear another song and you're like, oh,
what kind of sounds the same? Then it just doesn't
become memorable anymore because you're just like, well, this sounds
like this. Maybe it's a little different here and there,

(01:33:11):
but it's just like that's the problem with that's the
problem I had with this entire album. Like after when
I heard the first song, uh the what the first
song U Tantrum? I was like, okay, this ship slaps.
Then we heard.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Was a midpoint the the Green Serpent are like okay,
and like that's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
But then everything else between and after it was just
there was nothing memorable, Like it was just like I
remember the I can I can remember the fucking kill
Switch songs more than the.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Than the album was stronger album, yeah so, and but
like the thing is like.

Speaker 5 (01:33:49):
I can remember that and it's almost been like an
you know, it's been a while since we since we
listened to that. I can remember fucking riffs or hits
like their little fucking things from that. Then just hearing
this last song right now and be like, I I
can't even tell you what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
What was serious? How many songs they wrote for this
album cycle? I don't think I feel like they should
have written more, yeah, or or.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Fucking like in Tony's tone was saying fucking pick a,
fucking like, uh pick picking backing off ton pick a,
fucking like pick pick a writing phase be like, you
know what, everything after this, we're just tossing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
We're gonna start fresh here. Yeah, I don't feel like
they wrote. I think that what we got on this
record is what was written.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
And I think I think they ran out of time
for our label to write the album, and I think
they were just like rush to the finish line. For me,
it's like when you look at Micro, which is because
I was gonna say they should have just made this
album an EP at first and then release album after,
because that's what they did with Micro Micro's and EP,
which has all of Ginger's like big songs when they
like got big and then they put out the album.

(01:34:58):
But every song on that album, all the deep cuts deliver.
It's a great album. Yeah, And there's not that much
difference from that album and this album, except that that
album the quality of.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
The songs was just higher. Yeah, it was a higher
from a writing where this one just kind of like,
we know they like that, so we're just gonna keep
going with that and just do that, you know, and like,
don't get me wrong, but the breakdowns are different, and
a lot of more of the straightforward stuff is different. Yeah,
I just yeah, not too much memorable one.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
Yeah, but don't get me wrong, Like I think the
actual skill, the actual talent, you know, it's there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
It's just.

Speaker 5 (01:35:35):
It's just didn't work out this time. Like, don't get wrong,
there was some there was some good riff. I was like, Oh,
that's a fucking sick.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
I like that. It's a bass heavy.

Speaker 16 (01:35:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
I like the album. I like hearing it on on
these like mixing headphones is like, dude, it's just the
forefront is like the bass. The guitars are put down
is the opposite of it. And justice for all.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
But I mean, so we'll be writing I want to
I'm gonna give it a four, a four, Like there
are some songs that are enjoyable, yes, but overall, like
like what you said earlier, I can just I can
hear this somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
Cool, all right, all right, Well that that's ours our
thoughts on Ginger's duel. Actually, what's funny is that it's
been pushed as it's heavier and darker than the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
And it's just true.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
It is heavier and it is darker. But I think
this is a very good example of why just because
something is heavier and darker than the Proof's releases, that
doesn't necessarily make it good or better.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
I think the Ginger is famous for like like a
Pisces or like a Judgment and Punishment songs that have
those memorable moments, but the heavy parts slap just as hard.
This is just kind of like, yeah, you're right, the plateaus.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
So yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Metaology did not like Ginger's Duel. We all agreed on that.
We did not, I mean to varying degree. Sure, yeah,
we collectively.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Did not like this record.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
No, yeah, I think we agree with like the points
when you know, whether we land the different line. I
think I gave it higher than you guys. No, but I,
like I said, I really like the rogue fucking you know, yeah, judgment.
But yeah, so they're really strong songs, but as an album,
oh well yeah, next time, guys.

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