Talkline | Oct. 16, 2025

Rusty Hutson, CEO of Diversified Energy, discusses a new public-private partnership to retire oil and gas wells. Hoppy Kercheval stops by. Dr. Joseph Jones, WVU College of Media & Communications, talks about the Pentagon reporters walking out. Brad McElhinny stops by. 

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Coming up. Hoppy Kerchible will stop by today here on
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Ethan Collins is the operator standing by at the aforementioned
phone number eight hundred seven six' five Talk hopy will
join us coming up a little bit later this. Hour
brad McIlhenny second hour also talk to Doctor Joseph. Jones
he is with THE Wu school Of. Journalism it's talked
him about This Pentagon press guidelines all to see whatever

(02:01):
that may just about everybody say yeah, thanks but no
thanks and walk out the. Door we'll get into all
of that, first say good, MORNING tj down In. Charleston hey,
Buddy hey.

Speaker 7 (02:09):
BUDDY i tell you you Remember Lou brown what he
did With dorn's contract in the Movie Major, League.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Yes the second one where he does not have to
do CALISTEN. X.

Speaker 7 (02:18):
YEAH i think he urinated on. IT i think IF
i were in The Pentagon Press, corps that's WHAT i
do with that policy when they gave it to. ME
h The, Weekend, Yeah roger. Doing we can get in that, Later.
DAVE i got to tell you real, QUICK i Got johnson.
On he's making his Morning, gaggle the ten Am, gaggle
if you, will m first TIME i Think i've really
heard him on the. Defensive he's talking about what the

(02:41):
members are doing back. Home they're going to national parks
to help, Out they're going to. Airports first TIME i
really heard him pivot to the defense of this. Thing
that's interesting to.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Me we'll get into. That i've got some thoughts on. That,
Okay i've got some. Thoughts we have, time we have some.
Segments schmells will join us a little bit later on
by the. Way FROM. Dc we'll get the latest on the.
Shutdown there may be some more maneuvering as well on
The senate. Side we'll get into all of that as we,
Continue but first here at. Home Governor morrisey is going

(03:13):
to be In bridgeport this afternoon announcing a first of
its kind partnership With Diversified, energy establishing the first financial
assurance fund dedicated to retiring oil and gas. Wells Rusty
hudson is THE ceo Of Diversified. Energy he joined us
On Metro news Talk line this. Morning, Rusty good, morning
glad you could join.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Us good, Morning good.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Morning So, rusty kind of explain what this public private
partnership is all.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
About, WELL i think you stated it's first of its.
Kind it's really the first time that a state regulatory
agency has entered into this type of agreement with an
operator in the country really of this. Scale you, know
we obviously have significant puct in wells in the state

(04:01):
Of West, virginia and one of our main goals is
not only to produce those wells and the economic development
and impact it has on the, state but also to,
environmentally to be good environmental stewards and to do what's.
Right and one of the things that we wanted to
do was is set up a set this up to

(04:22):
manage what we call the asset retirement obligation of these
wells over a long period of time as the wells
become uneconomic over a long period of, time to be
able to make sure that they are responsibly retired and
that it doesn't become a burden on the taxpayers Of West.
Virginia and we've accomplished that with this. Agreement it's a
win win not only for the state Of West virginia

(04:43):
And diverse, five but for the citizens of the state as.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
Well rusty IS i did some reading this. MORNING i
think can the number may be a bit, dated something
like sixty five hundred orphaned wells In West virginia gave
us school, history how did we get, here what, happened
what went?

Speaker 6 (04:59):
WRONG i think the numbers closer to nine, thousand to be.
Honest but you, know those those are typically wells that you,
know keep in, mind we've been drilling and producing wells
In West virginia or in the state Of West virginia
since their late eighteen. HUNDREDS a lot of those early
developed wells were held by companies that didn't have the you,

(05:22):
know the financial ability to manage them over a long
period of time and to retire. Them and, honestly retirement
of wells has just never been a big deal for you,
know for several, years nobody has really thought about, it
and so now it's become more of an upfront. Issue
and you, KNOW i think those wells that the state

(05:43):
would consider orphaned or just wells that were left to,
them you, know by companies that essentially just walked away
from them over a long period of. Time and so
we we, actually through our next level company that we
we own and operate there In, Bridgeport West, virginia you,
know we we actually retire wells for the state through
their Abandoned north for well programs as. Well so it's

(06:06):
a real, issue but this is one way of addressing,
it at least from diversified, perspective and for the wells
that we. Own this is something that will outlast. Me
and that was really important to me as being From
West virginia and loving the state and wanting to do
the right things for the. STATE i wanted this to
be something that not only took care of the, issue

(06:27):
but also outlasted, me outlasted the, governor and even outlasted
the regulatory agency the people that are in that department.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Today Rusty, HUDSON ceo Of Diversified, energy JOINING Us Governor
morrissey announcing first of it's kind partnership With diversified to
retire oil and gas. Wells, rusty what risks does an
old well that's not retired properly?

Speaker 8 (06:51):
Pose you, know.

Speaker 6 (06:53):
There's a lot the environmentalists will try to pin that
as being a really significant. Risk most of those wells
have have no gas or oil left on, them so
they typically have very low to no. RISK i, mean
there's always an exception here and, there but, overall most
of those wells have very little to low. Risk but

(07:18):
having said, that they do need to be retired and
done in an environmentally, sound in safe, way so the
landowners don't have to deal with, them you, know over
the long. Haul and so you, know very important to
me also is that you, know on my next level
asset retirement company there In, bridgeport as part of this,
agreement we're going to expand our. Capacity we're going to

(07:43):
add really good paying jobs to that area up, there
somewhere between fifty and one hundred new, positions you, know
average salary in that seventy five thousand. Range and so
it's it's a big win both from an environmental perspective
but also from an economic development.

Speaker 7 (07:59):
Perspective talk to me a little bit about the structure
that you, mentioned the fact that it was very important
to you that this outlive, view outlive the. Governor talk
to us about how this is structured and how you've
ensured that that will actually. Happen.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
Rusty, Yeah So diverse five will pay in seventy million
dollars over the next twenty years and to WHAT i
call it's kind of like an, ANNUITY i called a reverse.
Annuity that money goes into the, fund it's not. Touched
over that twenty year, Period DIVERSE fid will continue to
plug and retire the wells that we currently do on

(08:40):
an annual basis with our own. Funds this money goes
into a separate. Fund it's backed with reputable insurance. Brokers
it has a guaranteed return on. It anything above that
will continue to add additional monies to. It but over
a twenty year, period that seventy million becomes a big
number because of the compounding effects of the guaranteed. Returns

(09:03):
and then from years twenty one forward you plug a
certain number of wells every year until the wells are completely.
Retired this is an, issue And i've tried to make this.
Clear you hear Environmental let's talk about it all the.
Time oh weld these all these, wells you, know these
non producing, wells these orphan wells that the state. Has
they all need to be plugged. Today even if even

(09:25):
if we had all the money that was necessary to
plug every well in the state Of West, virginia if
money was not an, issue it would take hundreds of
years to retire all of those. Wells the capacity to
plug and retire wells is fully utilized as we sit here, today.
Diversified in our next level, organization we do about four

(09:50):
hundred to four hundred and fifty wells a, year both
of our own wells and external wells for the state
and other. Operators we are at full capacity and we
represent almost fifty percent of the capacity that is represented
in The Appalachian basin. Today so it's it's a it's
an issue that's more than just the. Money it's an
issue of resources and the, ability time and weather and

(10:14):
all these other things that come into. Play it's going
to take, decades up on decades to manage this down
over a long period of, time even if you had
the money. Today so this program is established in a
way that says we're going to continue to produce these
wells and as they become uneconomic later in their, life
there's a there's a financial assurance product there that the

(10:36):
state is a is a designee on the on the.
Account so If diversified gets, sold if it goes out of,
business the money is still there for the.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
State Rusty hudson is joining us THE ceo Of Diversified.
Energy he also serves as the chair of THE Wv
board Of. Governors, rusty can we switch? Gears got a
couple of w? Questions if you've got a couple more
minutes always all. Right Doctor benson delivered his First state
of The university address this week and included his vision

(11:06):
for the, future which included a goal of being invited
to The association Of American. Universities that's an elite group
of universities leading the way and, research economic, development. Etc
so how can the board support that?

Speaker 6 (11:18):
Goal, Well number, one you, know somebody asked me about
this the other day and, said what did you think about?
THAT i, Said i'm all for. It we need to
be setting our goals. High and one THING i love
About President, benson he has high goals for the state
Of West virginia and the, university and we want to
be standing in line as a, board as chair and

(11:41):
as the rest of the, board standing in line to
help him. Succeed and you, know we'll do everything in
our power coming over a long period of. Time it's
going to take, time but it's going to take financial
resources to do, it which we're more than prepared to
make that. Happen it's going to take people, resources it's

(12:01):
going to take it's going to be a lot of,
work but we're up for the. Challenge and you, know
that's one of the things that you, KNOW i said
AS i came in this, Chair, look we've got, big
lofty goals as a, board and we're going to make it.
Happen and you know that that's exciting that he's willing
to step up and say this is a big, goal
but we're going to go for, it and we're right

(12:23):
there with him to make it.

Speaker 7 (12:24):
Happen, culturally how do you get people in place for?
That And i'm not accusing anyone AT wv of having,
this but, sometimes AND i think you know you've seen
this throughout your, career sometimes people want to play it
a little. Safe they don't want to, stretch they're afraid of.
Failure how do you combat that culturally AT. Wvu, WELL i.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Think it's leadership at the end of the. Day AND i,
think you, Know President benson is the right type of
leader for. That he just has this era about him that,
says get behind me and follow in, line and let's
go get stuff. Done he AND i talk about.

Speaker 9 (12:57):
This all the.

Speaker 6 (12:58):
Time is our you, know our MANTRAZED i would, say
is get stuff. Done let's get stuff. Done we can
talk about, it but let's go get something. Done and
my thing is we don't have the luxury to be.
Complacent the world of academia has. Changed it's not like

(13:19):
it was twenty years. Ago we don't have the luxury
of playing it's. Safe we've got to go make some
bold decisions and do what's right Because West Virginia university
is such a big part of the state Of West.
Virginia it's psyche everything that goes on in the state
Of West, virginia and so we've got to be prepared

(13:39):
as a board to make, some you, know some really
big decisions and to drive the. Universities it's an, enrollment
it's goals, higher it's financial capabilities in a better, place
all these, things and, so you, KNOW i think that
anybody who wants to play it, safe they're underestimating what

(14:00):
playing it safe really can know what it can resolve In.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Rusty along those, lines In, september The board Of governor
said that it was going to support the athletic department
at this athletic department was going to be among the
top top funded in The big twelve. Conference and Then
Rinn baker was the last week or two announces one
hundred and forty more scholarships for next, year bringing that
across all eighteen athletic. Programs so speaking of not playing

(14:26):
it safe and, advancing we're already seeing that commitment come
to fruition in the athletic department with the addition of these.
Scholarships it was a, huge huge decision because what that
does for us across all of our sports.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Programs it's not just about football and, basketball it's about
all of our sports, programs bringing everybody's scholarship levels to
in state, tuition which allows more money to be spread
amongst all of of the athletic. Programs and so that
was step. One we've got lots more steps to, come

(15:03):
but we will be in that top tier of The
big twelve when it comes to funding for. Athletics it's
not only it's not just a, goal it's a, commitment
and we're going to hit.

Speaker 7 (15:14):
It, Rusty i'm going to switch gears on you one more,
time so if you get, mad it's on. Me It's John.
Dave First energy filed their Integrated resources plan with The
West Virginia commission a week or so. Ago they're going
to build a natural gas fired power plant in their
territory here In West. VIRGINIA i know you think that's
a good thing for the energy, sector for the natural gas.

(15:36):
Sector tell us why that's good for people In West.

Speaker 6 (15:39):
Virginia, WELL i mean think about all the different aspects
that it. TOUCHES i mean number, one And Governor morrissey
has made a commitment TO i think he calls it
a fifty fifty gigawatts by two thousand and fifty or.
Whatever we. Need we have a resource In West virginia natural. Gas,
okay we're one of the top using natural gas states

(16:01):
in the. Country we have significant power needs, coming whether
it be data, centers whether it be new power. Generation
the grid is is massively under utilized or under supplied
right now in terms, of you, know additional power that's
necessary to fund all these new. Projects West virginia can

(16:22):
be at the at the lead of, that you, know
first energy coming. In it will result in needing more natural,
gas which means more wells being drown in the state
Of West, virginia which means more severe tax which gives
the state more funds to go and do economic development
projects across our. State it'll it'll add, jobs it'll add
severn there's a massive it'll adds property, taxes there's all

(16:46):
kinds of things that it that trickles down from something like,
this and it's just it's just good and it gives
us the reputation that we're open for, business that we're
able to do these, things and then it brings more
people in wanting to piggyback off of. That so this
is a big thing for the state Of West virginia
and it's great for the people in our citizens in

(17:10):
that you, know it'll it's a trickle down effect of
all the other things that come along with.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
It Rusty, HUDSON ceo Of Diversified, energy is also the
chairman of the W board Of. Governors, RUSTY i appreciate.
It thanks for taking some time with us.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
This morning, anytime, Guys thank you.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Absolutely And Governor morrissey will be In bridgeport later this
afternoon officially announcing that partnership With Diversified. Energy got to
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More coming, Up, hoppy, well join. Us he's got a
commentary at wp mentioned news dot. Com you can read
that ahead of time so you will be prepared for our.
Conversation all, right T. J we got about two minutes,
here two and a half cool you were saying about
Speaker johnson's. Presser press gaggle this. Morning, YEAH i didn't
get to listen to a lot of. IT i just

(19:21):
had it on the preview. HERE i came on right
as we were, starting and he was, Explaining. Dave and
you know what they say in, politics if you're, explaining
you're on the, defensive you may not be. Winning and
he was explaining and justifying why he hasn't brought The house,
back what they're doing in their. Districts he talked about
certain members being out with national parks helping rangers who
aren't getting paid to maybe keep the parks somewhat. Accessible

(19:43):
he talked about members reaching out to. AIRPORTS i had
to cut it off at that, point but it seemed
to me that's the First i've heard him more on
the defensive in this sixteen day. Shutdown and maybe that's
just because of the, timeline but seemed to be a
little more defensive today Than i've heard.

Speaker 7 (19:59):
Him that's All i'm.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Saying that's interesting BECAUSE i kind of fall into this
category of what is The house supposed to? Do it
passed THE, cr it did its. Job this is A
senate problem over on The senate side at this. Point,
WELL i mean if the delegates or the congressmen and
women were In, washington t what would they be.

Speaker 7 (20:16):
DOING i, Mean i'm with, you AND i don't think
he was speaking to his. BASE i, mean you wouldn't
be speaking to your base on. THAT i think your
base is with. You you're not speaking to the liberal.
Base you're not going to win them. Over so by
making those, comments is he speaking to? Independence does he
have some kind of polling or some kind of data
that says he needs to be talking to? Independence you,
know not privy don't. Know but the longer this goes,

(20:38):
ON i think the more, predictability you, know goes out of. It,
right people are going to do things that maybe seem
contrary to what they would otherwise. Do it's just.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Interesting it's like a lot of the topics we discussed
and we cover and we spend days discussing and, analyzing
and we know what the outcome is going to. Be
they'll eventually, Buckle they'll pass the cr then get around
to discussing expanding and extending THOSE aca tax. Credits that's
how this is probably going to play. Out we're just
going to spend weeks on in you, know watching the

(21:10):
drama unfold and refold and do it all over, again
probably all over.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
Again probably, Yeah and we'll be back here because what is,
it a seven WEEK cr if they get the CLEAN
cr through seven, weeks so will be right back to
this in the beginning of the.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Year, Yep Hopey kurchball coming up. Next he wrote a
commentary this morning once again on vaccines and their religious.
Exemptions we'll talk about that coming, up plus a couple
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that is also where you can Find Hoppy kurchivll's commentary this,
Morning Hopy. Rights West virginia is at a legal and
moral crossroads on childhood immunization and the, Governor Governor morrissey
put us here joining us on mention news talk line
Host Emeritis still the dean of broadcasting In West. Virginia

(26:17):
Hoppey kerchival hop good, Morning.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
Good morning, Guys thanks for having.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Me so how did we get at this?

Speaker 11 (26:22):
Crossroads, well we got at this, crossroads as we've talked about,
many many, times Because Governor morrissey ignored the fact that
the legislature did not change the state's mandatory immunization law
and instead issued in legally questionable executive order saying you
could have a religious. Exemption because of that several hundred

(26:42):
people have filed for that exemption and gotten, it and
we've ended up with court because state agencies feel, like,
well we have to follow what the governor, says and
they end up with court fights and circuit judges making
rulings on one side or the, other and a lot
of these cases being consolidated In Raleigh county and a
lot of, confusion while at the same time we have

(27:03):
outbreaks of measles across the.

Speaker 7 (27:05):
Country, hoppy is this an example of a first time
executive moving too? Fast and, now even if you wanted
to roll this back a little, bit you're so far
into it the politically it would be so. Damaging is
that what happens when you come right out of the
gate this, strong with this kind of a. Move?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah maybe.

Speaker 11 (27:25):
SO i MEAN i would imagine that That Governor morrissey
figured when he issued that executive, order which just right
after he took, OFFICE i, believe figured the legislature would
follow suit and pass the law that provide for religious
and or philosophical. Exemptions and the legislature failed to do.
That so what do you do, then? RIGHT i, mean
you've already sort of across the. Rubicon so and you're,

(27:47):
right he might feel like he'd look weak if he backed.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
Down you know the guys that Bred.

Speaker 11 (27:53):
Macklin he did a really good job along with other
reporters of covering that hearing last week Before Judge froebel
and rowing county days of testimony on this whole. Issue
AND i thought there was through all that there was
really significant testimony From shannon, McBee the state's. Epidemiologist AND
i put that in a commentary because she was asked

(28:13):
that since the religious freedom law was passed in twenty twenty,
three why didn't this why hasn't the State bureau Of
Public health developed a religious exemption? Process and she, answered,
quote because government has a compelling interest in public, Health
and then why didn't the department develop? One later she,
said because we have the strongest vacciniche vaccination law in the.

Speaker 5 (28:37):
Country two important points there is.

Speaker 11 (28:39):
That the government does have a compelling interest in protecting public.
Health you see that in all kinds of. Things you
see that in airline, safety you see it in the highway.
Safety you see it in the food that we, eat
and water and the water, supply all kinds of. Military
so the government has a compelling public interest in many,
areas AND i think in this area as. Well and

(29:00):
then also on the issue of the strongest vaccination law
in the, country and this is often portrayed by those
who want to loosen a vaccination.

Speaker 5 (29:07):
Law well we're an.

Speaker 11 (29:08):
Outlier well today we should be thankful for an, outlier
because they are outbreaks of measles in the. Country two
places you're not having outbreaks Or West, Virginia, mississippi which
do not allow for religious. Exemptions one of the outbreaks
is occurring In South, carolina where one hundred and thirty
children in school children are quarantined because they were exposed
to measles in an area of the state where there

(29:30):
are a lot of religious. Exemptions so if you have
a broad if you Allow West virginia for broad, exemptions, religious, philosophical,
whatever you can bet that one day you will have
measles outbreaks and you will have children quarantined because they've
been exposed to a highly contagious.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Disease Happy kurge will join us here On Metro news Talk,
line AND i will just add to that hop you
were there when they passed The Religious Protection act or
whatever it was. CALLED i vividly remember senators pointing out
this was not this was not a vaccine exemption law
and made a point to say, that so why would
you have developed a process for vaccination exemptions when senators

(30:12):
plainly stated that was not the intent of The Religious Protection,
act A Religious Freedom, act whatever it's.

Speaker 11 (30:16):
Called, Exactly that's exactly those questions came up at that,
time as you accurately point, out and it was, stated, no,
no this doesn't have to do you, know you can't
use the. Argument if you carry out the argument by
the governor to its fullest, extent it would be, well
then you could use the religious freedom law to trump
any other law that.

Speaker 5 (30:35):
Exists, well that was never the.

Speaker 11 (30:36):
Intent the intent was to protect an individuals practice of their.
Religion you would see that more if the government tried
to say that you can't have this church or exercise
this particular, religion and if it truly interfered with the
exercise of your. Religion and, this to me is an
inaccurate and application of the law when it comes to

(30:57):
vaccinations are most other.

Speaker 7 (30:59):
Laws, Yeah i'm with, You, dave But, hobby shouldn't this
be a lesson for the legislature moving? Forward because a
judge is going to, say look what they, said debate.
Intent that's not what is written in the. Law should
they have specifically crafted a line or two that says
this in no way applies to vaccination, law et. Cetera

(31:21):
so is this a lesson for the legislature moving forward
in this environment where it seems like everything goes to,
court rights are being. Challenged you got to get it
right from here on, out and you got to protect the.

Speaker 15 (31:32):
Downside, YEAH i think when but As dave, said when
the law was, passed it WAS i don't think people
thought it would be applied in this.

Speaker 6 (31:43):
Way.

Speaker 7 (31:43):
Yeah, No i'm with. You i'm with. You but if
you don't spell it, out they're going to make. It
they're going to make. It pay for.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
It.

Speaker 11 (31:48):
Well one of the one that one issues with passing,
laws as you guys, know is that you can't account for, everything,
RIGHT i, mean otherwise you'd have fair, fair the whole
library would be full of all the texts like we
have to account for.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Everything, see you don't account for.

Speaker 11 (32:01):
You they have to rely on judicial interpretation of these
walls because you can't account for everything when you craft a.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Bill Hoppy kurchwelle joining us, here mentioned his talk. Line
you can read his commentary over AT wdv metronews dot.
Com Hop coming up next, hour Doctor Joseph jones is
going to join us From wview's Journalism. School we're going
to get into this conversation about The Pentagon Press. Corps
nearly everyone turned in their, badges refused to sign THE

(32:29):
i guess it was a pledge or, memo whatever it.
Was with The pentagon's new press, standards which basically said
you can only report what we officially release to, YOU
i would like to THINK i would have taken a,
nice big principal STAND i have no idea HOW i
would have reacted, there but it says something when almost every,
organization Including Fox, news said, no we're not going along with.

Speaker 11 (32:49):
This, well this is another attempt by this administration to
control the, narrative to put limitations on the, press which
to me is unconstantutional because there's a freedom of press
guarantee in The First. Amendment but it's it's more of
what this administration. Does number. One number. Two, uh what's

(33:09):
what's notable about this is THAT i don't, know for
how many years WHEN i was hosting Talk shit talk,
line people would, say express, mistrust mistrust of the. Government
how do we trust what the government. Says we'll look
back AT, covid how many people we don't trust what THE,
CDCs we don't trust what The Health department. Says, well
if you look at what's happened at The, pentagon now

(33:30):
you can only the only information you would, have theoretically
is what The pentagon tells, you, right what The pentagon
wants you to. Know so you would be limited theoretically
to just press releases from The. PENTAGON i, mean the
whole job of the press is to question and try
to get facts, outs to act as an extension of the.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
Public and now you would.

Speaker 11 (33:53):
Just, say, well we'll JUST i guess we'll just sit
here like this like the Old Soviet union and just
listen To pravda and whatever The negon tells us in
a press, release that will be the news we get
out of The. Pentagon it's, outrageous And i'm glad to
see that the press is standing up against, it Including Fox.

Speaker 7 (34:10):
NEWS i don't know what the remedy will. BE i
don't know if The Press association or some group gets
together and they file A First amendment. SUIT i, MEAN
i would imagine this could end up in. Court but
a seasoned journalists as you, Are i'm assuming you would
not have signed that, document but you would still continue
doing your. Job how would you do your job hypothetically

(34:31):
hoppy if you were in that. Situation how do you
think these journalists will move? FORWARD i would imagine they're
going to be very motivated to double down and do their.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
Job, now, well there are how many people work at The? Pentagon?

Speaker 11 (34:44):
Thousands, right thousands of people work, there and you take
every one of these members of the press who walked out,
Yesterday you're talking about hundreds of. Sources AND i know
that the administration said they will punish people at The
pentagon if they talk to the. Press don't you think
that a lot of people of The pentagon are still
going to talk to the, press and they'll start to

(35:04):
see stories of like sources who asked not to be
identified for fear of retribution said, Quote so you're going
to see that.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
TOO i don't think.

Speaker 11 (35:15):
Everybody, look people with The pentagon who talk to the,
press they're motivated as, well they have an interest in
talking to the. Press so this kind of stuff it
never works too because too many people are anxious to
talk to the. Press look your reporters. Too how many
times have you talked to people at the capital who

(35:36):
started by, SAYING i shouldn't be telling you, this but
and then they tell you, this so there will still
be people. Talking it's just it's just unfortunate and outrageous
that this is what this pete hegseeth is administration tries to.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Do it's more. Theatrics, huh it's more of this theatrics
that we see more and more of these. Days classify
that information wasn't being reported well and in, fact the
only things that we're getting reported that was classified with
stuff that The pentagon screwed up and released anyway and
a group. Chat SO i, mean you want to crack
down on, leagues crack down on your own people if

(36:13):
that needs to be. Done so more of the theatrics
out Of, washington which is you, know that's what we
get these. Days Hoppy kurch will JOIN Us Metro news Talk.
Line you can Read hop's commentary ww metro news dot.
Com hop what do you know About Central florida or
don't call Them Central Florida's.

Speaker 11 (36:29):
Yeah you can't call them that now they're good. MAN
i said on three, GUYS i, said this is like a.
Doppelganger this is like you looking in the. Mirror because
you have two, schools each with a first year head
coach who was there.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Previously that's very.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
Unusual neither school has a conference win Each each team
is sort of looking for its. Identity they really haven't
found it, yet and so there are a lot of
similarities from a thirty thousand view about this. Game and
this game has zero national, interest but it's huge for

(37:06):
these two schools because each one is trying to get
on track for the second half of the. SEASON i
actually think even A West virginia is about a seven
to seven and a half point. DOG i Think West
virginia is coming into this game with a pretty good,
situation primarily because they've had a week off And Central
FLORIDA uc has played five games in a. Row SO
i Give West virginia somewhat of an advantage. Here and

(37:31):
as Rich rodriguez, said you, know now it's second half
of the, season and let's see if we can regroup
and and do. Better now you're limited talent, wise but
you had. THAT i think that week off is. Gigantic
it's not that long of a road trip By big twelve.
Standards now go down there and you, know win the.

(37:52):
GAME i, mean try to get back on. Track and
you see any think who's going to be the? QUARTERBACK
i mean between these two, Teams, dave they've played like ten.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Quarterbacks like one of them's you, say a Former martiall
quarterback Ca, Fa.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah Cam.

Speaker 11 (38:04):
Fanshire so you know who's the quarterback for? Them who's
the quarterback For West? Virginia don't know till the, game
and you don't know how many are going to play
until the end of the. Game, SITUATIONALLY i Like West virginia,
here can they get back on track for the second
half of the, season try to get a couple of.

Speaker 7 (38:20):
Wins If West virginia doesn't, win just, PRACTICALLY i think
guys start taking a hard look at the, portal thinking
more about the.

Speaker 11 (38:28):
Portal you, know, maybe but how DO i say? This
if a team is not successful and the following year
in the, preview the story, goes they have a lot
of players.

Speaker 5 (38:45):
Back that can be good news or bad.

Speaker 11 (38:48):
News, yeah because the same players who did not lead
you to success are. BACK i think you'll you won't
see eighty new players.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
But you'll see a lot OF i think you'll see
a lot of. Players AND i think.

Speaker 11 (39:01):
That probably there's a dual track for this coaching staff
For West virginia right. Now that, is try to win,
games try to get, better but also be thinking about
who is, available who you can, get and what holes
you need to.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Fill.

Speaker 11 (39:14):
GEE i wonder if anybody's reached out to any of
The Penn state players over the last.

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Week, hey that's a pretty good deal if you could
get it. HOPPY i, MEAN i know the guy got,
fired BUT i don't necessarily feel too bad for. Him
that's pretty good.

Speaker 11 (39:27):
Payout but you know what caveat about, That and this
was not well, reported BUT i meant by to forty
eight fifty million dollars is, crazy but it is. Mitigated
he in terms of the contract are he has to
do his due diligence to look for a comparable, Job,
okay and when and if he gets a comparable, job

(39:49):
the payout By Penn state will be offset by what
he's paid at the new, job which is fairly common
in these coaching contracts right. Now so it is an outrageous,
number but it will be or can be. Mitigated winning
If franklin gets a new.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
Job just have to fill, out you, know two or
three job applications a, week kind of like apoint.

Speaker 11 (40:08):
Exactly, YES i applied for THE UA b, job but
it just Wasn't this wasn't right for, me and So
i'm gonna keep. Looking but frank, look he's a hire
him At Oklahoma, state, Right, yeah hire him at uh
Where dave hirem at to.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Pick any bottom TIER sec, school any ANY sec, school
and the bottom half would take.

Speaker 11 (40:30):
Him soon to Be, florida soon to Be Florida, state
soon to be In. WISCONSIN i, mean there's a lot
Of this is an usual, year And dave you know,
this you followed. Closely there are a lot last, year
there were a lot of jobs, open open and opening
this year in college.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Football, well you've got time hop get your, application get
your resume, ready get your application.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
Ready, WELL i like that buy odd provision to get.

Speaker 11 (40:52):
THAT i did not get a buy, it by the,
WAY i did not get a buy out.

Speaker 5 (40:55):
Here.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
No parting.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Gift gotta get a better.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Agent maybe a little, bit but there was no.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
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Speaker 1 (43:54):
ASSOCIATION a couple of texts here three or four talk

(44:18):
three Four the text, Line, hey brainstorming. HERE i would
love to See West virginia set up a Permanent fund
DIVIDEND pfd that returns money back to the citizens Of
Western virginia for the sale of their natural, resources partly
because Most West virginia citizens believe the state government stole
those mineral rights from its citizens back in the. Day

(44:40):
what do you think my financial advisor.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
Didn't Jeff kessler try to do something like that back
in the day when he was in The senate that
would create a wealth. FUND i don't know if it
would go back to the public Like, ALASKAS i think
is what the texture is, describing but he wanted to
put the money into something that would compound over. TIME
i don't think we didn't do. IT i thought he
wanted to do.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
That Ask brad. Mcwheney he probably Knows.

Speaker 7 (45:04):
Starry that wouldn't be a bad. Idea, yeah that wouldn't
be a bad, idea because what are we talking about?
Now we're always talking about where we in a? Crunch,
well you, know if you GOT i don't, Know dave
five hundred million, dollars six hundred million, dollars it'd be
a chunk of money and you're just living off the.
Interest not a bad, Idea, guys.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Have you heard it? Anymore on the possibility of the
state not taxing, overtime asks The, TEXTER i haven't really
been asking too much about. THAT i Know Larry, pack in,
fact he was on this show and talked about it
and put that, idea put that out to the. Legislature
BUT i would not be SURPRISED tj if we see
that legislation In. January But i've not been asking around
about that. RECENTLY i think it's A january. THING i

(45:46):
Know pack wanted it before he woned a special. SESSION
i don't think that's going to. Happen that could be,
wrong But i'm not hearing any rumblings that would indicate
that that would. HAPPEN. Tj you've got. KIDS i, MEAN
i know you have. Kids you have, kids RIGHT i?
Do are they old enough to be into the six seven?
Craze do you know about?

Speaker 7 (46:04):
THIS i don't know what it. IS i have heard kind,
of but you're gonna have to help me Because I'll.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Wall Street journal going through The Wall Street journal the other,
day coming, up you, know reading, articles AND i come
across this math, teachers the number six and seven making
a teacher math teachers lives. Miserable, apparently the kids say
it means absolutely. Nothing it's just a. Meme it means,
nothing which makes it that much funnier according to the.

(46:34):
Kids so now math teachers are customizing their lessons to
purposely avoid the numbers six.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Seven that really, helps BECAUSE i was, like, WHAT i
don't get. It what does it? Mean it's six? Seven
And i'm Just we've been in this circular thing for
like the last week, actually So i'm really glad you
brought this.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Up so apparently every time it comes, up the teachers
are trying to avoid it because The they six seven
and palms, up seesaw. Gestures they look, around there's, giggling there's.
Juggling so now they're trying To taylor math lessons to
avoid those two.

Speaker 7 (47:10):
NUMBERS i don't get. It we didn't do that stuff
when we were.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
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(48:19):
us bottom of the. Hour as we were talking there
a little bit With. Hoppy just a little bit, ago
nearly all the press corps covering The pentagon turned in
their press, badges gathered the, belongings and left The pentagon
for the final time yesterday after refusing to sign The
pentagon's new press guidelines that essentially limited reporters to only
covering official information that was released by the. Departments just

(48:43):
one organization agreed to sign the new, guidelines Even Fox
news refused to. Sign joining us On Metro news Talk,
line this morning's Doctor Joseph, Jones Assistant Professor Read school
Of media And communications and expert in media history and,
culture and he teaches media ethics and law AT. Wvu Doctor.
Jones Good, morne wait forgot to hit the. Button let

(49:03):
me say that. Again good, morning there we.

Speaker 19 (49:04):
Go good, Morning thank you for having. ME i didn't
KNOW i was gonna be Following, hopy so big shoes
to follow.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Here you, know we like to bring him out of
retirement once a week or, so just to see if
he still got it here he.

Speaker 19 (49:14):
Does, yeah keep his, mind keep his mind.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Sharp, Yes so.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
What do you make of, this Doctor? JONES?

Speaker 19 (49:20):
H what DO i make of? IT i MEAN i
make of it as another example of trying to control
kind of the flow of. Information this is what government
entities do that don't want people to know what's going.
On and it's definitely a power move in order to
kind of control what we're going to report.

Speaker 7 (49:35):
On why isn't the public more? Outraged or maybe they
are AND i missed, it but they don't seem to
be outraged to.

Speaker 19 (49:42):
Me, yeah maybe this seems like a small. THING i
would think certain parts of the public are probably going
to be upset by. THIS i don't think supporters of
the current administration are going to see journalists walking out
of The pentagon and, think, oh, og this is a terrible.

Speaker 5 (49:57):
Thing, so, yeah if you're.

Speaker 19 (50:00):
Talking david was talking about the one network that decided
to sign. On One american news. Network we know that
is a kind of far right extreme network that pedals
and conspiracy. Theories so that was the only press entity
that decided to sign on to, this and Even Fox
news aside Even, newsmax who is another one of those
kind of far right kind of news, networks decided this

(50:20):
was too, Much this was too much report. On So
i'm glad professional journalists are sticking to their, principles even
if the public maybe doesn't quite know the weight of
what's going on at this.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Point pull the curtain back a little bit for. Folks
we have a naturally adversarial relationship with whether it's whoever we're,
covering because our job as news, reporters as media is
to ask, questions sometimes tough, questions to get. Information that
doesn't mean it's a has to be a bad, relationship

(50:50):
does It.

Speaker 19 (50:51):
No in, fact so you, KNOW i watched all the
news networks and there was a former general On Fox
news who's basically, saying you, know journal journal generals in
his time actually took classes on the relationship between the
press and democracy in order to see the press as
kind of a conduit to the. People it's not like
it's that has to be this out of visarial. Relationship and,

(51:13):
look this is an unnecessary policy because reporters are not
reporting on troop movements or giving out nuclear. Codes they
were doing the kind of regular routine business of keeping
The american people. Informed so it wasn't it wasn't anything
kind of uh that that made this. Happen besides this
move for kind of controlling information and not wanting to
be held.

Speaker 7 (51:32):
Accountable it's part of the reason that maybe this isn't
sparking as much outrage AS i personally think it should
is that everything pops up on social media today in
one platform or, another but that originating media often doesn't

(51:53):
get the credit for what goes into. That so folks are, like,
ah just you, know it's still gonna pop up on
my favorite social or on this page or that. Page
your thoughts.

Speaker 19 (52:01):
There, Yeah, no, Definitely there's been plenty of studies that
still show that legacy media is actually the one to
either start conversations or to fact check those conversations that
are happening. Online so the REASON i think even if
you get your news from social, media the reason you
are still invested in professional journalists existing is they actually
have standards that they have to verify. Facts they are

(52:23):
the ones who can get sued for. Libel they are
the ones who are going to take that extra care
and time to make sure we have a truthful environment
so we can all make the best decisions for our.
Lives so even if social media is where you get your,
news it is these legacy news outlets that are actually
in the room holding the powerful accountable and also have
to verify facts and have that extra standard of their
own accountability to make sure they're getting things. Right SO

(52:44):
i do think the media environment has a lot to
do with, this especially the rate of news that comes.
OUT i, mean this could be another story in your
endless scroll Of oh some journalists are no longer at
THE pentagona, Okay so, YEAH i think the way the
news media works now is it's hard to understand what's
actually important when we have a fire hose of information
that just becomes a part of our kind of endless feed.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Tj i'll take a crack at why there's not a
lot of. Outrage, yeah it's a nack and neck race
Between congress AND us on who people trust the, least
AND i think that has something to play into, it Doctor.

Speaker 19 (53:16):
Jones, Yeah, NO i, mean you, know AND i do
study the history of, journalism AND i would say that
journalists don't always get it, right and we've been accused
of being elitists and kind of out of touch with,
people AND i would definitely see that throughout. HISTORY i
do think we're in a kind of a precarious moment
when essentially we have an administration that is using that
kind of animosity and lack of trust to drive a

(53:38):
wedge even further between people and quality. Information but, yeah,
No i'm not going to blame. YOU i think most
journalists are hardworking. People you guys are hardworking. Folks you
tell the, truth but there is a certain narrative right
now that makes your jobs a lot more.

Speaker 7 (53:50):
Difficult i'm very worried about the. PRECEDENT i, think, back Doctor,
jones correct me If i'm wrong in my history. HERE i, think,
really what got The White house press core? Going was
It eisenhower that started doing the briefings and had people
into the press, room and then they covered over the
swimming pool and those kinds of. Things even if the
next administration is a more liberal, administration that precedent could be,

(54:14):
binding you, know and someone may look at it and, say, well,
YEAH i Think trump got that. Wrong to guess what
he got away with, it and so we're not going
to bring it. BACK i work about, That.

Speaker 19 (54:24):
Yeah, no and this says nothing to do with political.
PARTY i, mean we want our government to held accountable
regardless of who's in. Office SO I eisenhower did kind
of use as A pr stunt where he'd invite journalists
in and watch him shave and. All they all kind,
of you, know were grateful for him to give them.
Access but even looking back at somebody Like Thomas, Jefferson
Thomas jefferson when he was not, president said this is very.
Important we need essentially journalists to kind of keep a

(54:46):
government accountable to The american. People Once jefferson got in,
office he, said the press, lies journalists. Lie so we,
know regardless of political, ideology as a person in, power
you do not want to be held. Accountable and this
kind of move by the current administration definitely sets up
that president where regardless of who you, are maybe you
can keep more distance from the. Press and, AGAIN i
don't want to toot the press's horned too. Much there

(55:07):
are mistakes that have been, made but as a, democracy
we absolutely need these people in the room asking these
kinds of questions and not just shun to the side
because it's not convenient for the.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Powerful Joseph Jones assistant Professor Read school Of media And,
communications expert of media, history culture teaches media ethics and
law over at Wvu's so you, say and this has
been going on since the country was, founded the fight
between the powerful and the press and so on and so.

Speaker 19 (55:32):
Forth, yeah, ESSENTIALLY i, mean the founding fathers had all
these ideals about what journalism could, be which is why
it's in The First, Amendment but then it seems when
they would take, power they actually didn't like that kind
of being held accountable by this. Relationship so, definitely THOUGH
tj was right and far as, RECENCY i, MEAN fdr
probably was one of the first to actually allow that press,
access but because he wanted to explain his policies and

(55:55):
what he was doing to The american. People so we've
had at, least you, know eight or nine decades of
needing this kind of information coming from our top, officials and,
now to, me it's set a precedent where we can't go,
back like there is no going. Backwards this latest move
by The pentagon is definitely a huge step backwards in this.

Speaker 7 (56:10):
Relationship but if an outlet gets it, wrong you talk
about the fact that the press makes, mistakes we're. Human
we're all going to make. Mistakes some of us make
more than. Others that's why we have. Competition that's why
you have these different, outlets because if one outlet continually
gets it, wrong eventually it gets tuned. Out so this

(56:31):
idea that the press can't be trusted pushed back on
that a little. Bit maybe some press can't, be but
there's a lot of people that get it, right a
lot of outlets that get it right all the. Time
that's what the market's all, about and it takes care of.

Speaker 19 (56:45):
Itself, yeah and we could draw a line between good
faith actors as journalists and people who just want to
make money because they confirm people's. Biases and there is
something SO i think one thing that isn't talked, about
And i'm going to use some academic jargon, here there's
something called hostile media. Effect and all that, means basically
is that the more partisan you, are the more strongly

(57:05):
you hold your political, beliefs the more you're going to
watch a news outlet and think it is against, you
regardless of the, coverage as objective as that journalist as,
being you will see it as against your side and
not like. It SO i think in the polarized nature
we have of our whole kind of public, discourse regardless
of what journalists are, doing even when they're telling the,
truth even when they're verifying, facts even when they're being very,
careful there is this tendency for, people if they have

(57:27):
strong ideological, beliefs, again left or right doesn't, matter to
not trust certain media. Outlets so that's something else we
need to talk, about is that it also comes from
individuals and their kind of own beliefs and then then
not trusting journalists regardless of what a journalist.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Does there's also this with this, administration a weird dichotomy
here we're on one, hand you're basically shutting out the
press with The. Pentagon on the, other you have the
president who speaks to the press how many times a
day FOR i mean press conferences that last hours on,
end who says a Lot maybe he doesn't say, anything
but he says a lot.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Lot.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
SWEET i don't, Know. Joseph it just seems like it's
there's inconsistency and that it. Irritates maybe it's just BECAUSE
i like consistency and, things SO i want and you
have it this way and the other you have it
that way and there's no there's no. Consistency there drives me.

Speaker 19 (58:14):
Creazy, YEAH i think we can look at the personalities
of those folks. Involved that some people like the camera,
Attention they like to be ON i like to CREATE.
Tv they see reality ON. Tv and another reason that
the kind Of pentagon is so dangerous its like this
is the most powerful military in the, World like this
is the biggest part of our budget as far as
THE us economy and government. Goes so, uh this is

(58:35):
an institution that absolutely needs to be held. ACCOUNTABLE i
am a military. KID i helped my dad get ready for.
DEPLOYMENTS i don't want journalists reporting things that would put
my dad in. Safety but we absolutely need to know
what the largest government in the military in the world is.
Doing and this is, why you, KNOW i don't care
what your personality. Is you need to accept that as
part of the, job and that The american people have
a right to know what they're what their military is

(58:56):
doing in their.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
Name Will Pete hegseeth come to realize that he's made a,
mistake BECAUSE i can't recall a time, where minus that,
outlet we're talking about every single journalistic outlet in this
country is on the same side with this. ONE i
don't think that ends well for. Him, WELL i.

Speaker 19 (59:18):
DON'T i don't get to the business of guessing PEOPLE'S
i think WHAT i say is you have to have
shame for that to, work AND i don't know some
people have shame or feel kind of any. REMORSE i
would hope, THAT i don't, know as grand standing as
this seemed when all these journalists kind of walked out
of the, BUILDING i do think and to, me the
journals are going to keep doing their. Jobs that's also

(59:39):
the thing, here like they've lost access to the, room
but they can also still follow up with people and
kind of try to do their jobs from a. Distance
So i'm hoping there will still be good kind of
reporting that comes out of. THIS i do not know
how this. ENDS i can't even. IMAGINE i don't know
what would motivate. HEGZETH i guess to do a three
like a one to. Eighty do you guys have any

(01:00:00):
idea of what would make somebody change this?

Speaker 7 (01:00:02):
POLICY i, MEAN i.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Think to court or, yeah, GOOD i mean that's isn't
that what it always comes down to with? THIS a
miss if if the boss says it's going to be this.
Way that's why it's going to. Be Joseph, Jones Sistant, Professor,
Read school Of Media, communications experts in media history and.
Culture i'd love to have you back one. Day we'll
talk some more media, history get into the yellow journalism.

(01:00:24):
Days we'll talk about starting pamphlets instead Of twitter, accounts you,
know back in the. Day we appreciate.

Speaker 19 (01:00:29):
It, Excellent thank you for having. Me hopefully we have
something nicer to talk about next.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Time Doctor Joseph, jones W school Of media And, Communication
Read school Of Media, communications expert media history and, culture
teaches media ethics and. Law all, Right, kenneth we get
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Text three or four talk three oh, Four brad McElhenny
coming up bottom of the. Hour let's go to the.
Phones kenneth And charleston wants to weigh in on These pentagon.
Reporters go, Ahead, kenneth what you, got, yes.

Speaker 21 (01:02:23):
Sir this is just pertaining to The, pentagon, right, Yeah,
okay The White house and all that. Stuff you can't
just go willy nilly to The White house or.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Through That pentagon. Either there's there's areas you can't, go
but but go.

Speaker 21 (01:02:39):
On from WHAT i WHAT i understood is you could
be working in your office and if whatever pertained the,
subjects you can go that door and you knock on.
It and, say, HEY i need to talk to. SOMEBODY
i need an. Interview So I'M i had a security.
Clearance i'm The Marine Corps, infantry AND i knew that

(01:03:01):
in a certain part of the headquarters, GROUPS i couldn't
go even with the security parents mind One. Highness So
i'm thinking of a security point of. View the only
place that a reporter should be allowed is in a press.
CONFERENCE i know WHEN i was In iraq and some

(01:03:21):
of my BROTHERS i was talking, to they were scared
to death to have reporters embedded with them, because LIKE
i give Example collusion when they were going through fallusion
and they had to double tap, somebody which means shoot them,
twice because the bullet really can't knock somebody down one.
Shot if that reporter got a Wild heraby, button seeing

(01:03:44):
that the bleeds that leads and he can make a
journalistic whatever that he'll burn Two dagon soldiers or two
Dag On marines to advance his. CAREER i think the
reporters should stop it the. War they should go to
maybe a press, room and that's where they can. Go
soau that there's danger in my, life my fellow marine's,

(01:04:07):
life just to make a point just to do something
out of the side of the. NORMS i don't care pounce.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Hand let me ask you, This, kenneth SINCE i totally
get where you're coming. FROM i totally get where you're coming.
From and that's where we on our side have to
do a better. Job reporters have to do a better
job when let's say you're embedded with a situation like
that to understand what's going. On and that's WHY i
think it's important to have this kind of. ACCESS i
as a reporter should go to a guy like you and,

(01:04:34):
go why'd you explain to me what's going? On SO
i can understand and put into context SO i don't
misconstrue what's. Happening that's that's on the media side of, Things.
Kenneth SO i understand what you're.

Speaker 16 (01:04:45):
Saying but.

Speaker 21 (01:04:49):
Since trump came into first or second.

Speaker 6 (01:04:53):
His, tour.

Speaker 21 (01:04:56):
If it was the media before, that it leans so.
Left it didn't matter WHAT i. Said is with the
marine on the ground or the soldier airman of whoever
is on the ground said what soon as have got
to hit the reporters'. Handlers those guys are, smoking their
careers are. Done they get AN mjap on them or

(01:05:17):
investigation or court, martiall even though they're found, innocent they're.
Done and the same way The, pentagon you go into
the conference room and that's where you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Stay, Hey, kenneth BEFORE i let you, go where'd you?

Speaker 21 (01:05:30):
Serve served you in The United States Marine corps eighty
five through eighty, nine The Army National guard through two
thousand and five to twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Eleven, hey thank you very. Much appreciate, it, Buddy, yes,
sir take. CARE i appreciate the phone call as. Well
kenneth In. Charleston let's go To, WASHINGTON, Dc Fox News,
Radios Ryan, Schmells, ryan It's Groundhog. Day what's the latest FROM.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
Dc, well they are voting literally as we, speak on
that same bell to keep reopen the. Government it's likely
to fail. Again at least all the People i'm, watching
or we've been watching four as, possible yes, is have
so far voted where they've been voting the last couple
of times they've done. This so it looks like we're

(01:06:14):
here for the long run. Now one thing that stands
out is That leirathune made some news this morning when
he was ON msnbc and guaranteed. A he said that
he would guarantee a vote on These Affordable Care act
premium tax, credits and so will that be enough to
maybe get Five democrats on board and ultimately get sixty?

Speaker 7 (01:06:36):
Votes how do you guarantee it is that his? Word
does he sign some?

Speaker 9 (01:06:39):
Documents, WELL i, mean he could just say we're gonna
have a vote on. IT i, mean, like if he,
does that doesn't mean he's gonna. PASS i don't think
that'll be.

Speaker 7 (01:06:48):
Enough For, DEMOCRATS i, guess is What i'm getting.

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
At, yeah and then that's that's what we. Got it
might be enough for, five but not all of. Them,
yeah now that's.

Speaker 7 (01:06:57):
Fair that's. Fair, hey did you Cover johnson this? Morning
he seemed more on the. Defensive to, me DID i
read that?

Speaker 9 (01:07:03):
Right oh about Mad? Mike did you see?

Speaker 22 (01:07:07):
That?

Speaker 7 (01:07:08):
NO i didn't see. That we were on the, air he.

Speaker 9 (01:07:11):
Said he, SAID i don't like being, Mad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Mike who's he mad at?

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
Everybody, no he's mad at The democrat for the governor
not being. Open he, SAID i don't like being, mad And,
MIKE i want to be. Happy.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
Mike, well he seemed to be explaining what members are
doing back. Home he seemed on the defensive to me
more Than i've seen. Him is that fair?

Speaker 9 (01:07:32):
ENOUGH i don't know if he's the defensive or it's
maybe just. Frustrated but of course he's starting to get
pelted with questions, about you, know whether or not you
know it's wise to keep the house. HOME i, mean
that's where that's Where democrats are attacking, him is, that you,
know he's keeping them from doing the appropriations process by
not being. Here you, know he's even fielding some some

(01:07:54):
criticism from his own, party Like Congressman Kevin kylie Of
california has been going out and call On Speaker johnson
to bring the house. Back you've Got Marjorie Taylor green
doing the exact same. Thing so he's warranting some criticism
from his own, party and certainly he's taken some back
and forth with that. Too so, yeah that might be
an explanation for.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
That Fox News radio Is Ryan schmells From, washington D.
C well check out tomorrow see if anything's.

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
Different, Ryan all, right sound good? Boy thank you see?

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
Him did you hear? That he says that kind of
sums up the whole situation.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
THERE i wonder if he feels like he's kind of
on vacation with. This you, know you Know ryan works.
Hard that's not What i'm, saying.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
But it would be incredibly. Frustrating you, know you have.
TO i, mean your bosses are expecting. Something, stories you
gotta file. Something how do you file something on nothing
every single? Day you right about Mad, Mike you know
who does. That Sometimes brad mclhinney does. That he will join.
Us coming. Up he was covering another scheduled hearing regarding
vaccinations and religious. Exemptions we'll get in that coming. Back

(01:09:00):
a lot of texts to get to we'll do that as.
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texts three oh four three. Four no one trust. Media
the media never apologize for. Mistakes you get your funding from,
Companies you'll never criticize the media tries to dictate our.
Opinions no one cares about the media because we don't
trust the. Media we the public are not outraged about
the New pentagon policies because there's been little news. Reporting

(01:13:20):
the press is so biased and they express that bias
in their reporting that we no longer trust them to
give us honest.

Speaker 7 (01:13:26):
Facts so you don't Trust Fox news. Either that's the
problem with that, Argument. Dave left leaning, media right leaning.
Media they all walked out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Another, Text, oh we are. Upset one more thing on
the camel's. Back there will be a time when the
camel's back finally, breaks and who knows what will happen,
Then but just another grab from an authoritarian dictatorship trying
to take over the. Country three or Four talk three
or Four texas Says South park just had an episode

(01:13:58):
on it all talking about six seven and we were
talking about six seven last. Hour we don't get. It
apparently math, teachers it's it's the bane of their. Existence
now another text three or four To talk three or
four textras Is, dave the, kids just the, kids just
asked the kids why six is afraid of? Seven, seven, eight.
Nine of, course with that another dad, jokes we turned

(01:14:22):
to mention new state wide Correspondent brad. Mcilhenney brad was
going to cover a hearing In Kanawha county yesterday involving
vaccinations and religious. Exemptions, brad good, morning thanks for joining.

Speaker 9 (01:14:33):
Us oh, hi.

Speaker 23 (01:14:35):
What IF i walked in here here now so that
your discussion of the number is six and seven made
me remember there's a schoolhouse rock song about a figure,
eight and so that's where my mind is at this, Moment.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
BRAD i, said used past tense or you were scheduled
to cover a hearing In Kanaha, County but what happened?
Yesterday m, Hm, WELL i don't. Know this segment's going, Great.
Brad what?

Speaker 7 (01:15:03):
Happened, YEAH i don't?

Speaker 23 (01:15:04):
Know?

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Sure why? Not?

Speaker 23 (01:15:06):
Yeah, well so this was a hearing and its significance
is it's one of now many across the state Of West.
Virginia this one happened to be in kanaw and it
was a mother who is representing her elementary school age
son trying to get the school system to honor a

(01:15:30):
religious exemption that the family obtained from the State department Of.
Health those are based on deeply held religious. Beliefs as you,
know we're now well into the school. Year the, mother
it should be, said represents. Herself doesn't have a. Lawyer
it's just a mom out there filing her own legal
claims and presumably was going to speak for herself in.

(01:15:53):
Court she asked for expedited, consideration and yesterday was the hearing.
Date but she wasn't. There AND i don't know why
she wasn't. THERE i, mean life is. Complicated if you
are not a professional, lawyer things could have gone off
the rails in any number of. Ways but she didn't.
Come this is before cannoser. Could Judge Richard, lindsay and you,

(01:16:18):
know he said that the court made an attempt to
try to find, her yelled into the hallway multiple, times
went downstairs and looked around and hollered, again hollered her.
Name just it didn't. Happen So Judge lindsay said that
he does think it's important that parties who have filed
in the court system have an opportunity to be heard
in the court In West virginia where they are supposed to.

(01:16:40):
Be and so you, know he's reset the hearing for
tomorrow at nine. Am who knows what will happen at that.
POINT i, mean it's possible that this, plaintiff who is
again a mom of an elementary school, kid she may
or may not appear.

Speaker 5 (01:16:59):
TOMORROW i don't.

Speaker 23 (01:17:00):
KNOW i will say though, that you, know the broader
picture and the way that this is maybe a little
more interesting is That Judge, lindsay who's going to be
asked potentially to make a decision about this particular family and,
again as other courts have, done assess whether the religious

(01:17:20):
protections law In West virginia affects the the vaccine law
that's in state code requirements to go to public. School
he's got domain over the courtroom right. Now he can
make that decision in his. Courtroom he's an elected judge
In Kennaught, county one of you, know fifty five counties

(01:17:41):
In West. Virginia but the tricky part is the, timing
because last Week Judge froebel Of Raleigh, County Judge Michael
froebel announced that he would consider these vaccination cases a
class action and that he would make the ultimate call on. It,
well that hasn't set. IN i, mean he announced it
from the, bench but it doesn't become official until he

(01:18:04):
puts it in, writing until he does a final order
that could come at any. Moment it also could still
be a. While So Judge lindsay is left, with all,
right not only DO i not have the planet in
front of, me BUT i normally would have jurisdiction. Here
but there's another judge elected the same WAY i am
In Raleigh county saying that, NO i do not have the,

(01:18:27):
authority With Judge froebel declaring verbally and we believe upcoming
in writing that he's got authority of our class.

Speaker 7 (01:18:36):
Action So, BRAD i would Ask Judge froebel this. QUESTION
i would invite him on the. Program but as you may, Know,
DAVID i don't have the best record when it comes
to not getting judges in trouble when we invite them
on the. Program with that, said do we have any?
Idea has anyone? ASKED i, mean Did froebel pick up the?
Phone is he going to pick up the phone to?

(01:18:57):
Me you Called Judge, lindsay you Called lawrence and you, say,
guys you, know how do you feel about? This that
would be the simpleton's way of doing, it and maybe
together they could come up with whether or not the
law actually permits. IT i, mean is anybody going to
take the old fashioned common sensor out here and just
have a conversation among the justices and see what they

(01:19:18):
can and can.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Do great.

Speaker 23 (01:19:20):
Question so you Mentioned Judge Michael lawrence Of Berkeley, county
who was also in an awkward. Situation that judge denied
nine families a preliminary injunction last. Month but it's not
the final. Work that there's a more detailed evidentiary hearing
scheduled in that court In Berkeley county with those same
families Before Judge lawrence in next. Month So Judge froebel

(01:19:44):
with his class action is splitting the, uprights and you,
know Puts Judge lawrence into an awkward. Situation i've never
been a. JUDGE i don't know how they. OPERATE i
will SAY i heard that there was a question of
whether The Raleigh county case would absorb what was originally

(01:20:04):
A Canawh county case Before Judge. Ballard this was a
couple of months. Ago it was AN aclu. Filing AND i,
mean my understanding is That Judge froebel Called Judge ballard
to check it, out to feel it. OUT i don't
know if that's happening in this. CASE i will. Say
what we witnessed in court last week was there's a
lot of law overlap among the lawyers in these. Cases

(01:20:28):
AND i mean they raised the issue With Judge froebel and,
said what are these other judges who have open cases
in their courtrooms supposed to? Do and to my, ear
there was no real resolution of. That it WAS i,
MEAN i took it to be just get along as
best you, Can.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Brad i'm going to say this with as much love
AS i can in my. HEART i find everything you
said to be uninteresting and. Boring and here's the real
REASON i wanted you to come, on because this perfectly
accentuates What hoppy was talking about in his momentary, today
the myriad of legal challenges and the chaos that has
been set off by this executive order by not going

(01:21:09):
through the, legislature letting the legislature either come up with
a bill and pass legislation that provides these exemptions at
a process for, them or rejecting, it which it did
last time last, session we have had no process on
how to properly handle the religious. Exemptions we don't even
know if the governor has the authority to do what
he has. Done we don't know which judge in which

(01:21:31):
courtroom ultimately has ruling. Authority is a class? Action can
The Kanaal county judge do? Something can they do something
In Gilmour? County what about is It Grant? County there's
somebody in the Eastern Jefferson. County this is always self
inflicted chaotic situation that didn't need to. Exist and this
is in what you've just explained in the last couple

(01:21:52):
of minutes, Here, brad you don't have to comment TO
youj perfectly exemplifies the chaos that has been set off
by this wanting one executive order that didn't need to BE.

Speaker 7 (01:22:05):
I agree, completely BUT i will take a slightly different
stance on. IT i think it is important we talk about.
It it may get into the, weeds but right back
to the Whole pentagon issue with the. Media if someone
doesn't bring it, up doesn't talk about, it doesn't explain
how nuts it, Is it's gonna happen again and. Again

(01:22:27):
and that's why it's important to talk about. It AND
i know you believe that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Too oh, yeah that's the point TO. J we bring this.
Up i'm sure the audience is sitting here just scratching their, heads, going,
gee how Does brad cover this every? Day, well that's
the point that you have this. Chaos you have these
different courtrooms who are trying to weigh in different, judges
different lawyers and. GUYS i don't know what. Happened what
happens if the legislature does pass something in the session In.

(01:22:52):
January now you've got this executive, order you got this
religious executive youve got This Religious Protection, Act you've got
these court. Cases it just adds to the, confusion the
root of which is the executive. Ard at the end
of the, day it's going.

Speaker 7 (01:23:04):
To take an. OUTBREAK i hate to say, that it's
going to take an outbreak like what's happening In South
carolina and what has happened in other states until we
get serious and we fix, this because until it becomes,
real and unfortunately for a lot of, people it'll take
that to make it. Real, Well, brad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
You can jump in anytime you. Want, BRAD i don't think, SO.
Tj and we're going to get into this. Tomorrow the
macro is not going to win the. Argument it's the.
Micro AND i will go back To i've said this
a lot people have lost here we go losing, trust distrust,
mistrust have lost trust in the medical community as as

(01:23:42):
a you, know a major. Entity it's going to take
one on one conversations between pediatricians and, parents family doctors
and parents and family. Doctors that's where you're going to
sway the. Argument that's where you're going to change the,
minds that's where you're going to push this in a different.
Direction SO i don't think you could win the argument
at a macro, level whether you're pointing out what's Happening

(01:24:03):
carolina or even if things are happening. Here are they
changing laws In South? CAROLINA i don't. KNOW i don't
Follow South. Carolina are are they going to change laws
In ohio Or?

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
Texas they quarantined? Everybody your your points will. TAKEN i
Guess i'm just disappointed in my opinion the macro should be.
ENOUGH i, mean how many how many times do you
have to get slapped into the face before you get
out of the. Way it's kind OF i don't, Know
brad put a better spin on, It, Brad i'm Mister
Debbie downer.

Speaker 5 (01:24:29):
HERE i don't.

Speaker 23 (01:24:30):
Know i'm just gonna have to go take a walk,
Now thank.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
You he's Mentioned New State white Correspondent brad mackell. Ay anything?
Else what you? Else what else you're working on? Today?

Speaker 23 (01:24:39):
Brad nothing except for things that are. Meaningless i'm, boring thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Though OH i, SAID i, said with as much love
in my heart AS i, Could. Brad that has to mean. Something,
Oh brad just? Left DID i Offend? BRAD i didn't mean.
To DID i?

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
Offend?

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
BRAD i don't have to call and apologize after the.
SHOW i THINK i fitted. THEM.

Speaker 7 (01:25:05):
Tj have you been reading That Dale carnegie? BOOK i got?

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
You no SHOULD i MAY vet.

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Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
More all, right let me just. CLARIFY i may have
done a bad job trying to make my point there to, You.
JAY i did not mean to insinuate that the reporting
was bad Or brad was boring or anything like. That
but my point was exactly with What hopey was trying to.
Make look at the. Chaos look look at the chaos

(01:27:05):
that's been created over this whole vaccine. Issue look where you,
have you have a, judge you have, hearings you have
people not showing up. Hearings you got another class action in.
Lawsuit that was the POINT i was trying to make
AND i may have inadvertently Insulted. BRAD i did not
mean to do. That he does a great does great.

Speaker 7 (01:27:21):
Work we all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Air so my, Apologies. BRAD i will send you some. Flowers,
hey at least it Wasn't Dave, allen or at Least
i'm Not Dave. ALLEN i CAN i can make fun
of him all.

Speaker 7 (01:27:33):
Day. Hey you know sometimes they, say when you're digging the,
hole sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Stop not, ME.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
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six hundred and twenty five, Million so go ahead play.
Today uh let me get to the text line. HERE
a lot of info on The googles about the six'
seven meme makes a good read refers to crimebridden Area
of chicago's Sixty SEVENTH street i would wager that the
anti vaxers are, mega supporters and the same with. Anti

(01:28:25):
media i'm all for, public media every single form of
it and every single form and facet. Of it all
That with BRAD and i still don't know anymore about.
Vaccine stuff, IN fact i may know a little less micro.
Macro micro WHAT what i was saying is we're not
going to change minds by spitting out numbers one hundred

(01:28:46):
and thirty five kids Quarantined In, south carolina or naming
how many other cases there Are in texas, Or, wherever arizona.
Wherever else it's going to be one on one conversations
between doctors and, their patients pediatricians, and families family doctors and, you.
Know families that's where you're going to. Change minds that's
where you're going to sway the.

Speaker 7 (01:29:05):
Argument there no matter.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
How Many times hop comes on THE show tj and
says there's this, many cases there's this. SCIENTIFIC study i
don't think it changes. Anybody's mind it's going to be
a one on. One conversation that's where you're going to
start to push the pendulum on. This, Issue.

Speaker 7 (01:29:21):
Yeah and my, POINT WAS i i would hope the
macro would. Change minds it would change, my MIND and
i get my brain is, really WEIRD but i feel
like something like that's going to have to happen unfortunately
here until we take. It, seriously now your, point About
Well south carolina change their laws with the other states

(01:29:41):
where this, has happened, you know change. THEIR law i
would hope that. THEY would i do think the difference
is it's one thing in those states that have let
this go and have allowed, these exemptions and they've got out.
Of control and let's call it what. It is. It's
philosophical it's not. Religious anymore. It's philosophical and the difference

(01:30:03):
here we don't have to. Do that we have such
a great. Vaccination rate and one of the points that
really turned me around on, this frankly and helped me
be so definitive on it was a Point that Senator
to Coupo made dave last session. To us he talked
about what the vax rate was at two years, of age.
Very low got to have them to get. Into school

(01:30:23):
what happens shoots up in the, ninety seven ninety eight
whatever it is, percent range same thing's. Gonna happen and
then the difference is for all these folks. Are well
if your kids vaccinated doesn't. Matter one that's not how vaccinations.
Work too you spend eight hours, a day seven hours,
a day whatever, it is in a classroom huddled up.
With kids they're gonna. GET stuff i have some experience.
With this kids go back, to school they're fine. All

(01:30:44):
summer they go back. To school? What happens the petri dishes,
Pop out they bring home all these Things and dad ends.
Up Sick so i'm telling you there is something to
proximity and having them, all together and we're setting ourselves up.
For it and we've seen other people get slapped in
the face with the. Same thing and my fear is
we're going to stand there and take ar lick when we,
could dodge get out of the way and not have to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
Do it, texter says how to win friends and. INFLUENCE
people i Don't think wilson made it past the. Forward
hashtag brad. Is, rad, Cheerup, pal dave, you suck go
home and sleep on, the couch, you brute Says.

Speaker 7 (01:31:15):
The texter, oh man.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Three or four talk three or. Four guys Guess who morrisey?
Is mimicking who is also rule who is who is
also rules. In chaos seems like there's an extra word.
In there put on. Forty Four Dave, Allen moore he
doesn't tick, people off Says, the texter twenty Seven Year army.
INFANTRY veteran i was always proud of my COUNTRY until

(01:31:42):
i saw masked federal agents in our cities body slamming
whoever they. May choose we must all. Be ashamed if
you think this is okay for someone else, to suffer
wait until they come. For us forget what this is
called and focus on what. It is federal power, gone, wild,
red blue, Maga whatever we the people must say no
more and defend. Our, freedoms dave what you Said to

(01:32:04):
brad was root and uncarrying and decidedly. Not funny your
half hearted apology. Sounded insincere don't be such, an ass,
ALL right i was not. BEING insincere i truly did
not mean To. OFFEND bred i was trying to make.
A point did a bad job, Of it try to
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Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
Three or four talk three. Of four if you're going
to make, SOMEBODY mad i might as well. Be brad by,
the way did You Know dave allen's Originally. From logan
he almost never talks. About, It la i've never. Heard
yet i've never heard him mention.

Speaker 5 (01:33:54):
That before.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
It's called abuse, of power pure, and simple says The TEXTURE.
David tj do you think the plaintiff's lawyers in the
case told her not to? Show up they shopped and
found the judge who was going to make. Their case
she's self, representing herself isn't she this?

Speaker 7 (01:34:11):
Particular plaintiff, that's CORRECT. Sinister Tj if, i'm honest hadn't
thought about, Your POINTS. SINISTER tj i don't know. That,
THAT no i can't. PROVE it i. DON'T know i.
Don't know we'll see she. Shows tomorrow is that your,
alter EGO. Sinister, tj no my alter EGO. Is. Mj
tedo's you don't want to.

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