Talkline | Oct. 7, 2025

Del. Matthew Rohrbach talks about changes to Medicaid. More discussion on education reform, the government shutdown and legal proceedings over vaccination requirements. 

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sitting by with all that. Good morning, mister Meadows.

Speaker 6 (01:56):
Good morning. Six days, ten hours, seven minutes and four
a seconds mark since the government last shut down. In
the White House yesterday, Dave saying federal employees will not
get the next paycheck. It's getting real, sir, it's getting real.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Okay, they will. They'll get paid eventually. That's what just
always works out. They get to take an interest.

Speaker 6 (02:17):
They should get interest, do they. I asked that tongue
in cheek, and I'm sure they don't, but they should.
You know, we have a law here if a private
employer fails to pay on time, we have the Wage
Collection Act. Guess what you get a kicker. You gotta
pay employees a premium for that. Government should too. No
matter whose fault it is, well, it's they won't. It's

(02:41):
not smells. We'll check in a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
We'll also talk to Jared Halpern coming up a few
minutes from now. Brad McElhenny. As I mentioned second hour
of the show, lots going on at the state Capitol
where interim committe meetings are going to be wrapping up
later today. Yesterday, lawmaker has got an update on West
virgin and his Medicaid system, which is facing significant changes
through the recently passed Big Beautiful Bill Act, including the

(03:06):
implementation of a work requirement structure, a state agency leader
told lawmakers yesterday. Cindy Bean, Commissioner for the West Virginia
Bureau of Medical Services, testified in front of the Joint
Standing Committee on Finance during inter legislative meetings at the
state Capitol. In that meeting and on that committee is
Cabal County Delegate doctor Matthew Roorbach, and he joins us

(03:26):
on Metro News talk Line this morning. Doctor Roorbach, good morning,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Good morning to you and all the listeners.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Appreciate you coming on. So how close is West Virginia
to being prepared to implement the changes in the Big
Beautiful Bill Act, including the Medicaid work requirement reporting.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
Well, one of the most significant things that came out
of the interim meeting was an instead of annual verification,
we're going to have to go to twice a year
of verification for the eligibility for Medicaid. Now, one of
the real questions that the committee had, and that I
certainly had, is are we going to have enough staff

(04:09):
or staff time to comply with that requirement.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
What was the answer?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
They think at this point in time they will, But
again we're going to have to keep a close eye
on that because I think the work requirement is going
to get implemented.

Speaker 7 (04:30):
Now.

Speaker 5 (04:30):
What I'm not sure is if people don't want to comply,
then they won't they'll get their benefit denied. But I
certainly don't think this legislature wants to see people denied
because we don't have a system in place to timely
take their application and verify it. So that's something that
I think we're going to have to monitor very closely.

Speaker 6 (04:53):
Is there any grace period from the big beautiful bill
for the state to get this in place? Is there
any kind of guidance from the federal government about how
best to get it in place or any money to
help with it.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
Well, the money we're still trying to sort through now.
The grace period is it wasn't immediate implementation, so we
do have a little while a lot of these requirements
don't kick in till twenty seven, so we are currently
working to figure out how quickly we can get ramped up,

(05:27):
because I certainly if they're going to have to have
more staff to comply with this. Although what we were
told was most of this should be a hands free verification,
meaning that it could all be done on the internet.
You could scan it your work record, W two, paycheck, whatever,

(05:49):
and then it could be all verified virtually. So that's
the reason they seem to think that they'll have a
system in place to get it done in a timely
fashion and to meet the requirements.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Talk Matthew Roar Bob Kabele County delegate type of House
speaker joining us here on Metro News talk line. One
of the concerns with the work requirement is that people
may meet the requirement because of the reporting the paperwork
that's involved, they won't do it or it'll get confusing,
it'll be cumbersome, and they won't end up being able
to take advantage of the benefits they're entitled to. So

(06:26):
are are there steps being implemented or plans being put
in place to ensure the people who are meeting the
requirements get.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
The benefits well, and that's a lot of the impetus
of the Esterby's update is again, if people just planing
don't want to work, then they're not going to meet
the requirements, pure and simple. Now, if they are complying,
we don't want the paperwork to be an impediment to

(06:53):
them getting their benefit. So that's well. I think we
have to monitor very closely to make sure we have
a system that is working, and if we need some
more staff, we'll have to do it. Although they seem
to think that we could do a lot of this
virtually and frankly, people don't have to go in. They

(07:15):
could verify their eligibility virtually. The caseworker could look at
it very quickly and send back verification. So that's again
what we're hoping is that a lot of this can
be electronic verification.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
Fundamentally, if people do not want to work, as you say,
and they would be kicked off or denied the benefit fundamentally,
is that a good thing or a bad thing in
your opinion?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, I think that's probably a good thing. I mean,
people if they're able bodied adults, which again that's the
population that we're talking about here is able bodied adults
in the expansion population that of which we have one
hundred and sixty thousand people. The work requirements for twenty

(08:06):
hours a week or volunteerism counts, or getting an education counts,
getting a job skill. But ultimately, if you envision that
able bodied adults should be working, this is keeping in
line with that. And that's certainly a stance that this
legislature and this governing majority has taken over the years.

(08:29):
And I think that you're now seeing that from Washington
that the people I don't think a minimal amount of
work or training. I would urge people to get the
job training. I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation, and
I think that's in line with what most of the
rest of the people in the state are doing.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Do we have an idea on the cost of implementing
this reporting structure?

Speaker 5 (08:57):
That's I think what Bureau Medicaid Services is trying to
get to the bottom of. I think a lot of
this is going to be whether it's personnel driven or
how much of it can be computer driven, and what
would the cost be for that verification program. So, since
the big beautiful bill is relatively new, and that part

(09:18):
we're still trying to get.

Speaker 6 (09:20):
A handle on doc as we worked through the particulars,
did Bean or any other person from the state provide
any estimates of how many people we think would lose
coverage out of that population of one hundred and sixty
thousand you talked about.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah, I don't think we really heard a number. I
think there's an expectation that some people just may not
want to comply. But how many people that will actually
be at the end of the day, I don't think
we know. Certainly there will be some, but I hope

(09:56):
that numbers small, and I plan for us to keep
it in line with what nationwide is being seen. But
our big impetus as a legislature is to see that
we the state are not the impediment, meaning that it's
too hard for people to comply. So we want a

(10:16):
system that is almost seamless for people that want to comply. Now,
if people just don't want to comply, then that's a
different story. We can't create a system that will make
them comply, but we don't want the system to be
the problem.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Will there be any type of educational or marketing campaign
to let folks know that this requirement is going, when
it is going into place, and how they can comply
with it.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
Yes, we had questions and answers about that, and I'm
convinced that Department of Human Services is going to do
a pr campaign to let people know what to do.
I think what we're trying to figure out just up
front is exactly how that system is going to work.

(11:04):
Is it going to be virtual, is it going to
be computer driven? Is it going to be in person?
And then when we've decided these things and got our plan,
the state's plan in place, then we've got something to
go out and kind of market to the recipients and
make sure they understand what the requirements are.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Talk about the flip side at the equation and maybe
see if there's a silver lining here. Is there any
expectation or hope that this would improve our labor participation rate?
We talk about how abysmal it is, maybe more people
will start working in order to keep the benefit. As
anyone talking about that side of it.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
You'd better believe that's a big part of the hope
here is You're right, our workforce participation rate is among
the worst in the country, and we have to get
that up. We have to have a workforce, so again
requiring people to get vocational training, to get a skill
to be able to support themselves. It is a key

(12:03):
part of what the future is going to have to
bring for this state. And that's to me, one of
the more exciting parts of this whole thing. Now, some
people just don't want to comply, or they're working for
cash under the table and they just don't want the
government to know what they're doing. Well, then we probably
we do have a problem here, but we need to

(12:25):
get people in the marketplace for jobs. And that is
if this bill will help, which I think it will.
If it will help move the needle in that direction,
I think it's money well spent.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Doctor Matthew Roorbach, Cable County Delegate, Deputy Speaker. Appreciate you
joining us on Metro News talk Line this morning.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
Thank you and thank you for having me. I appreciate
your audience and the best luck.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Appreciate it. Thank you very much. And Brad macklheaty as
a story over wv metro news dot com recapping those
comments from yesterday. Committee meeting up next, Jared Halburn will
join us from the White House. We'll get the latest
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Speaker Johnson holding a news conference on Capitol Hill this morning.
We'll get an updates from Fox News Radios Ryan Smells.
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News Radios Jared Halper and Jared Good morning, Good morning

(14:54):
to you. Well, let's get the government shutdown questions out
of the way. To start with Kyli Ground All day,
it's the same thing over again. But what's the latest today?

Speaker 12 (15:04):
There doesn't seem to be much of a shift. Yesterday
President Trump notably said that he would negotiate with Democrats
on healthcare on some of these tax credits and subsidies
that Democrats are demanding be extended as part of a
short term spending bill. But he has not been real
clear as to what you know, he is willing to

(15:26):
do and also is not willing to make it part
of the short term spending bill. So while it is
an acknowledgment that there should be at least conversations and
negotiations over some of what it is Democrats are seeking,
it is not moving the ball in the direction of
kind of you know what Democrats are asking for, which

(15:48):
is more than hawks they want to guarantee.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
And part of.

Speaker 12 (15:52):
That is just because of the level of trust that
is non existent right now between Republicans and Democrats. You know,
in shutdowns past, and I've covered many of them, oftentimes
these kind of handshake agreements would be enough to get
enough of the other party on board to end the shutdown.
You know, they promise to hold a vote on X,

(16:14):
Y or Z, whatever the issue is, right and oftentimes
those kind of handshake agreements are enough. But because Republicans
and the President have moved forward with recisions, packages and
other ways to kind of roll back funding that has
already been agreed to in a bipartisan nature, Democrats aren't
willing to accept that kind of handshake agreement. They want

(16:36):
to guarantee written in the law that extends these these
subsidies in some form or fashion, and absent that they
say they are not going to just accept. You know,
the President or Republicans saying well, we'll have this conversation
once the government's reopened. That being said, you know, pressure
is going to start to build on both sides. This

(16:58):
shutdown becomes more and more real, more and more painful.
Every day services become less reliable. You've seen what the
Burbank Airport in California had to close for a bit
yesterday because there aren't enough air traffic controllers because they're
working without pay, and so people tend to call out sick.
You were going to have issues with WICK and other

(17:22):
kind of government programs that are going to not be
able to operate or be funded. Certainly, you were going
to have at a certain point members of the military,
federal workers who are going to miss paychecks. Not to
mention now this looming threat over not furloughs, but layoffs
of federal workers. So the more that builds, the more

(17:43):
pressure is going to be put upon, especially Democrats, to
at least in the shutdown and move forward. But they're
not there yet. There are more votes scheduled today in
the Senate. So far, there have not been more than
three Democrats who have joined Republicans to in the shutdown.
We'll see if that number changes. I will say this,

(18:04):
one of those Republicans are just to me. One of
those Democrats, actually an independent who caucuses with the Democrats
from Maine, has said that he is starting to consider
changing his vote so that would be moving in the
wrong direction for ending this shutdown. So we'll see how
it goes here this afternoon as conversations continue, at least

(18:26):
behind the scenes.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
All that happening, and the Canadians are in town to
talk tariffs with the administration.

Speaker 12 (18:32):
They are the Prime Minister is this, i think a
second trip to the White House since he was elected
in March. He has met multiple times with President Trump.
They are trying to get some teriff really if it
is having a big impact on the Canadian economy as
manufacturers or sometimes leaving the country or at least not
having the same kind of market is they once had.

(18:56):
So the Prime Minister will again come see if he
can strike some sort of trade agreement, some sort of
tariff agreement. You know, on a personal level, Carney and
the President do seem to get along pretty well, but
they have been really unsuccessful at securing a trade deal

(19:17):
that at least early in Carney's term here, as I said,
he took office in March, the two of them kind
of suggested that, oh, you know, in about thirty days
forty five days, we're going to have this deal and
everything's going to be great. Between the two of us
that has fallen apart, and so they'll see if they
can get that back on track at least today with
this meeting. We'll also see if the Blue Jays potential

(19:41):
sweep of the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Conversation that's going to happen later today, Jared.

Speaker 12 (19:46):
That's tonight, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, that's probably going to happen.

Speaker 12 (19:50):
Kid can't pitch again though, right, so they're going to
find somebody else to pitch for Toronto.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Well, the Yankees are going to have to start hitting
the ball at some point.

Speaker 12 (19:58):
They are going to have that that helps in baseball, Yeah,
or at least not giving up as many hits. Jared.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Just getting the bullpen, Buddy, go ohuam and getting the bullpen.

Speaker 12 (20:05):
Yeah, yeah, Well, you know, I'm a lefty, so you
don't have to be very good when you're a left
handed reliever. You just got to get the ball over
the plate.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Have some stuff that moves. Jared, just going to have stuff.
Fox News Radios Jared Halper Jared thirty seconds. Are we
any closer to getting that Gaza piece deal done?

Speaker 12 (20:23):
You know, they're is close, I think as they have
ever been. But you know, getting the ball from the
five yard line to the end zone is often the
toughest part because now these technical talks become very very minute,
and now you were talking about both sides having to
really understand each other and again, kind of like in Congress,
build trust that they can trust the other side to

(20:44):
make good on what it is they're promising. But President
Trump seems very optimistic that this week they at least
could institute kind of an initial phase which would end
the fighting, create a cease fire, release all of the hostages,
and then start that long process of rebuilding.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
GAZA. Fox News Radio is Jared Holburn from Washington, d C. Jared,
always appreciate it, thanks so much.

Speaker 12 (21:05):
Sure things coming up.

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Speaker 4 (21:56):
I'm Jeff Jenkins. West Virginia lawmakers are meeting today at
the state Capitol, third and final day of interim committee meetings.
Updates are scheduled on finances, pension plans, and corrections. State
Medicaid Commissioner Cindy Bean scheduled to speak to another committee today.
She testified Monday before the Joint Committee on Finance, focusing
her comments on the changes in Medicaid brought on by

(22:17):
the Big Beautiful Bill. Bean says her office is working
on the reporting aspect of the new work requirements.

Speaker 13 (22:22):
To talk about technology that could be employed to where
individuals that are working can report that very effectively efficiently,
and maybe a no touch solution so that people aren't
constantly having to report their work hours read.

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Speaker 1 (25:12):
Texter says, three or four Talk three or four. Trump
says he would work with the Dems on insurance rates
if they vote to open the government dims. No, Trump
will tell them to blank off and go on doing
what he wants wants the government is open. Yeah, I mean,
that's a very blunt way of saying what Jared Albern
just said. There's no trust between the two sides. An

(25:32):
old handshake agreement that would have been good enough, maybe
even a couple of years ago, not going to get
it done at least four now. Howard Monroe is the
host you hear in Wheeling on WVOY and Watchdog Network
before this fine program, and he joins us on Metro
News talk Line this morning. Howard, Good morning.

Speaker 16 (25:51):
Good morning, gentlemen. Good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Glad you could join us. Howard, what do you make
of the shutdown?

Speaker 16 (25:57):
I think it's going to go on for a while.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Well, what's a whid just a couple of weeks?

Speaker 17 (26:02):
Huh?

Speaker 16 (26:02):
I you probably? I mean, I just don't get a
sense that there's anybody really willing to make any move
right now. So I think we have to see where
the pressure comes, maybe from the public at some point,
before we see what kind of change occurs. But I
don't think it's going to be a couple of days.
I think a couple of weeks are likely. That's that's
my opinion at least.

Speaker 6 (26:25):
So I think it will be the public, Howard. It's
just a matter of how long, because you know, you
look at the stats. Most people in this country can't
cover a thousand dollars emergency if it happens too so
most people can't go without a paycheck. I mean, at
some point, we heard it with Jared and the air
traffic controllers, and I'm thinking TSA would be the same way.
At some point, they're not going to show up. They're

(26:45):
just gonna quit, and we're gonna have to do something
really fast.

Speaker 16 (26:50):
Yeah, and again, I think at some point the public.
You know, I've already heard a couple of people today
saying you're not going to be flying anytime soon, are you, Howard?
You know what's happening to the airports. It's just a
a little glimpse into what's likely to happen as the
shutdown continues. So I think once a larger part of
the public begin to feel impacts of the shutdown, there

(27:14):
will start to be some pressure, probably on both sides,
to go up with some kind of a I do
what these we're compromised, that's some kind of a way
out of this.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Well, that was going to be my question to you, Howard,
who feels the pressure? Is it going to be the Democrats?
Is it going to be the Republicans?

Speaker 16 (27:31):
Well, I mean, right now, I suspect the Democrats feel
more of the pressure, but I'm not sure as the
shutdown goes along if that may not transfer to the
Republicans simply because they control the House, they control the Senate,
and there is a perception that, hey, you're in control
of everything, why can't you make this work? Although I
think right now today this moment, the perception probably is

(27:55):
the Democrats are being the bumps in the road.

Speaker 6 (28:00):
Do you think the Democrats, in terms of their leadership,
whether that Schumer or whoever, made a bad decision they
should have cut the deal on the clean cr Do
you think that was a bad decision to shut down
or not vote for the CRDJ.

Speaker 16 (28:15):
I don't know. I said on my show early as
this conversation was going before the shutdown, I think I
might have voted for the clean CR. I think in
many ways it is the best way to go. But
I also think that the Democrats standing up for at
least the healthcare issues are resonating with the American people,
or will resonate with the American people. And you know

(28:38):
what I would like to see, and I think somebody
has floated this, not at the leadership level, but elsewhere.
I'd like to see an agreement that will vote for
the clean CR with a guaranteed vote on these other
issues later. But I don't know that that's going to happen.
I hear some talk about that among individual members of Congress,
but I don't know that I've heard that from a

(28:59):
leadership level.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
It Well, Howard, go ahead, Sorry, no, I.

Speaker 16 (29:04):
Just I mean, at this stage of the game, a
clean CR makes sense. Let's just let's let's move forward.
But let's move forward with the definite plan of how
we're going to resolve this in the whatever the time
of that CR is seven weeks. I can't remember what
they what they're suggesting, but let's let's move forward, let's

(29:24):
keep things moving, and let's have a firm, definite plan
what we're going to do to address the concerns that
are being raised. Well, I don't know that we're and
I don't think what any position to get to that
kind of a compromise.

Speaker 5 (29:37):
Yet.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
We had Michael Tamaski on the show last week and
I asked him if Democrats overplayed their hand by asking
for this one point. I think it's one point five
trillion dollars in spending. That is much more than just
expanding the acaight credits tax credits that everybody is talking about.
If it was just that, even Senator Capital said, Hey,

(29:59):
we could talk about that. We could probably work something out.
But it's the additional are they are they overplaying the hand?
Did you? Did they ask for too much in this situation?

Speaker 16 (30:10):
It's possible, but I also think that that's what negotiation
is for. Now we can start talking about how can
we ramp this back, how can we get to a
more reasonable approach. The Democrats are being overwhelmed by some
of the I believe inappropriate explanations from Republicans of what
the Democrats want to do.

Speaker 13 (30:30):
I e.

Speaker 16 (30:31):
Trying to give millions to illegal aliens, and at the
moment that is caught the public's perception, they're going to
have to somehow get rid of that perception. And I
don't know how they do it, but I did they
over play their hand? Maybe do they have still a
hand that could be played that would return the ACO
credits and so on. I think it's possible, But again, PJ. Davis,

(30:55):
I don't think it's possible today. I think it's going
to require additional pressure on the public from the public
and time for this to marinate a bit more.

Speaker 6 (31:07):
Let's get closer to home. Are we to blame for this?
We talked about it last week a bit. We keep
voting the same people. Back in nineteen ninety six was
the last time all twelve appropriations bills went through the process.
So either the process is broken it may be, or
we the collective of American people, have no one to
blame but ourselves because we put the same folks right

(31:28):
back into Washington. Maybe it's both. I don't know, Howard,
what say you.

Speaker 16 (31:32):
Well, I won't skip over the fact that process may
well be broken, and I think that's a fixable issue
at some point. I do think we're at fault. We
keep putting the same people back in again and again,
even people that are that have significant vocal opposition. I
don't mean canadate opposition, but vocal opposition. People are not

(31:54):
happy with him, but we still keep putting him back in.
I don't know why that is, except it's always been.
At least there's been that way for a long period
of time. The inertia of wanting to move and someone
out and put someone new in is really difficult. I
do think we're fault. We're not, but you know what,

(32:14):
we sound like fuddy duddies on the radio, you know,
I mean the general public is saying that. You know,
I don't have time to spend all my effort, my
energy and researching and learning and knowing that's what you
guys are paid for. And they're right. You know, I
got to decide where to go for lunch today, and
how can I afford the gas? You know? That's so?

(32:36):
Are we at fault? We the general public? Yes, isn't
understandable in some ways. Yes, Hey I know this name,
I know that name, mansion. I remember that name, oh, Capitol,
I got that name more. Yeah, these are people you
know I'm just picking their local ones, but I mean
across the country, those are familiar names. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they've been Okay, let's just check it off. I don't

(32:57):
know they about this other guy because I don't watch
with the because I don't listen to the talk shows
wherever I am, I don't. I don't read widely. I
go for the crosswords, the funnies and the sports. Am
I really being too critical of the American public here, guys?
Maybe I'm being.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
Too No, because that's the price you pay for a republic,
and if you don't want to continue with the republic,
then keep doing what we're doing. No, I think you're
being totally fair. We have a responsibility. Like it or not,
you can fulfill the responsibility. Howard, it's the other guys.
Your guy's not the problem. It's the other guys. Right,
It's not your center or your delegate.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
It's it's Chuck Schumer. It's Nancy Bloc.

Speaker 16 (33:35):
Absolutely, And that's that's the other issue too. It's worse
now in the divided political world in which we live,
you know, it's I mean, I remember, I just god,
I remember a time when I was able to vote
for one party or another. By looking at the candidates anymore,
it's what do they have after their name? You know,

(33:56):
because it's so divided, and even I feel that way
sometimes so and plus the candidates are no longer moderate
candidates anymore. I don't like that word, but the candidates are.
I don't mean far left, isn't radical, but I mean
they're off to the left, they're off to the right.
So those of us who want to try and find
good things in both, it's hard to do. I remember

(34:18):
a time when I could look at Canada's Meet your
Party and say that guy's pretty good. That guy's pretty good.
The way our politics are playing these days doesn't lead
to that. So you talk about inertia, which is, yeah,
I've always voted for this guy before him. Again, you
add the fact that it's were divided political society anymore,

(34:39):
and we're going to keep on getting what we've gotten?
Can we keep on doing what we're doing?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Hardmin Road joining us WVOY radio Watchdog Network. You can
hear him up in the Wheeling area prior to this show. Howard,
I'm sure you heard Paul Hardesty's comments last week he
was on this show. There's been a lot of reaction,
both publicly and privately to those common What was your reaction.

Speaker 16 (35:02):
Well, I think if you read hardest these comments, I
read and didn't see them. I read the transcret If
you read what he said, I think he said the
right thing. School choice. By the way, that is such
an all encompassing phrase. You say school choice, and who's
opposed to that? Of course you got a school choice.
But school choice has gotten out of balance. School choice

(35:24):
the good thing.

Speaker 18 (35:26):
You know.

Speaker 16 (35:26):
I have two grandkids. One goes to public school, one
goes to private school. Okay, so school choice is a
good thing. But we've overplayed our hand here and it's
way out of balance. I think hardesty was right, and
I get a sense you guys are walked close to
it than I am. I get a sense that there
are some legislators who might want to try and reshift

(35:46):
that balance back in this next session. Pay more attention
to public schools. I mean, let's be honest about it.
And I read this guy who maybe YOUTJ or somebody
who said, you know, the reality is of the people
in the state is mistake. Choose public schools to a choice.
The choice they make, whether by force or by choice,

(36:07):
is the public schools. That's where the students of the
state are, So shouldn't we be putting more emphasis on that.
So I think if you look at Hardesty's comments in perspective,
I think he was. He was absolutely right. I certainly
think the you know, the plan, the ought to resign
because he's advocating, for one point, Yeah, he's not navigating

(36:30):
against school choice. I didn't think he was. And maybe
you talked to them, maybe you feel you what I
do think it's davocating against school choice. He was advocating
that putting school choice back in better balance with public
schools and look at more funding issues, look at more
programming issues, look at more regulatory issues, certainly school age
formula for public schools. I think he was right on target.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
I wonder as a grandparent, Howard, you mentioned one in
private one in public. I wonder if you can see
a distinction between the two relative of regulation, just as
you observe. You know, Paul held up that big blue
book as I'm calling it, thirteen hundred odds some pages
of regulations compared to the index size card. I think

(37:15):
for charter schools, do you see a distinction in that? Yes,
you can affirm that hands in public schools of teachers
are tied behind their backs versus what you can do
in the private institution.

Speaker 16 (37:30):
In the private institutions that my one grand kid has
gone to through elementary school and now moving up, it's
a much more flexible program. I don't know that it's
regulatory ying in the hands. Sometimes, I think it's simply
a function of the kids who are there. I do
think the teachers. Public school teachers find their hands tied,

(37:53):
find themselves having to deal with so many issues that
are above and beyond edge just playing teaching. That makes
it difficul call for them to do. But I got
to say, I'm a product of public schools. I'm okay.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
All three of my boys, my kids were public school trained,
educated here in Oisle County. They're all exceedingly successful in
their careers and.

Speaker 16 (38:16):
Now coming along with grand kids. I get a chance
to see one of each, and you know, I think
they're both. They're both able to do well. I think
there's a place for both. But I I don't know
that we need more regulation on private schools, for example,
And I'm not an expert enough to say that. I
think we need to rethink how we tie the hands

(38:37):
of our public school teachers though, and I don't like
that phrase tie the hands up. But so many regulations,
so many things that have to be done above and
beyond just teaching that do make it difficult. And I
know my mother was a teacher. I have many friends
or teachers. It's just it could be wearing on them.
And and I get that.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
And there it is, Howard that when you bring this up,
it is I think it's hard to check your biases.
And I don't mean that in a negative way. I
just mean that in a way that you can read
those statements from Paul Hardesty and if you want you
want to perceive that as an attack on school choice,
you will. If you want to perceive that as defending

(39:16):
public schools, you will. I think you hit the nail
right on the head. This isn't about regulating private schools
or public charters, or homeschooling more, or limiting or even
limiting the Hope scholarship for that matter. This is about
taking the wraps off public schools. Let's look at what
these institutions are doing well. Why are people choosing the

(39:39):
ones that have left public schools and go on to
private education? Why are they choosing that if that model
is working better, what can we take from there and
put over here? How can we improve it so the
educational experience overall is improved, Howard, this doesn't have to
be about more restrictions, which a lot of people interpret
those comments to be. And I did not take him
that way.

Speaker 16 (39:57):
Yeah, I didn't take him that way either, And I
think he was very hard to say. I'm not against
school choice. There are many good options for school choice,
and parents should have a choice. But I think he
focused a lot on the regulations. And I think, you know,
and I believe he used this phrase and has not
been used about his speech. We're out of balance right

(40:20):
now once have been. The last five years. We've been
focusing all most of our legislative attention and education. It's
been focused on hope, scholarship, public schools, charter schools, home schools,
regulations there, and maybe it's time to go back and
rethink the place where most of our students are educated,
and that's public schools. You know what, I don't care

(40:42):
how much public choice school choice we get. We are
not going to end up with a majority of kids
in the state being in anything other than the public
school system. So isn't that where our effort ought to be.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Howard Monroe wwoy watched Dog Network. Where you going for
lunch today, Howard? I know Junior and Fish Creek will
be very interested to know.

Speaker 16 (41:01):
You know, this is a weird thing for lunch, But
I am thinking of country fried steak today from well,
I'm not sure. Maybe it's just as simple Bob Evans
could be. There's a couple of good local restaurants and
having around here. I don't know why it's been I've
just had the taste for it lately, and I'm thinking

(41:21):
I haven't able to eat much last week. You made
Bee Herbie coffin here. I've been battling the cold. I'm
coming out of it. And when you end the cold,
you know what you want.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
You want to eat some good food.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Howard. Always appreciate the conversation. Thank you, buddy.

Speaker 16 (41:34):
All right, guys, good talking to you.

Speaker 5 (41:35):
Thanks a lot you as well.

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Three or four Talk three or four Texter says, here's
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and Senate to vote out, and three cabinet secretaries to
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come up with some names if you really want to know.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Now is the point?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Does he mean three people from the House and three
people from the Senator are just three people from either
the combined bodies?

Speaker 6 (43:38):
I don't know. I'm behind reading the texts. I was
looking at something else, so my bad. But I think
that I'm not trying to ding the text. But that
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Term limits would fix it, because then you would have
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(43:59):
way to do that. Now. If you can tell me
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Speaker 1 (44:09):
Three or four talk three oh four. Let me see.
We've heard the names. We've heard names because of the
amount of pack money it's spent to make sure we
do the people aren't deciding that people are being manipulated
by the big corporations, says the Texter Dems will feel
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who don't care if people's Obama care rates go up.

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In fact, their base likely supports it because they hate
anything to do with Obama and helping people. Final Brank
pays for it.

Speaker 6 (44:40):
Who pays for it? Then, Dave tell me.

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Second hour Metro News talk Line from the encob Insurance Studios.
So hope you're having a great start to your day.
Thank you for letting us be part of it. Ryan
Schmells will join us. Bottom of the Hour speaker Johnson
holding a news conference on Capitol Hill this morning as
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We'll talk to Smell's Bottom of the Hour plenty of

(48:04):
time for your text and phone calls. Eight hundred and
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is Ethan Collins, sitting by awaiting your call. Good morning, Tjay,

(48:27):
Good morning. You want to hear my six? You got
your six?

Speaker 6 (48:30):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Well, I was talking to the producers during the break,
But go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
On the Senate, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, Ron Wyden of Oregon,
Dick Durban of Illinois, the House, Hol Rogers of Kentucky,
Chris Smith of New Jersey, Stenny Hoyer of Maryland. There
you go, there's six. Okay, okay, I want to know why.
Uh sure, they're the longest serving members in each house.

(49:00):
Me to pick three. I picked the three longest serving members.
When you don't have turnover, you don't have new ideas,
you don't have new blood, you end up in bad places.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I'm going to ask for clarification again. I was trying
to come up with three Dims and three Republicans in
each side. Oh, if that's the case that I screw
up the assignments, I don't know. I don't know. I'm
not sure what the assignment is anymore, although the Texters
said it should be easy, Okay, Well, if I've only
got to pick three overall, I could. I mean, I
could name them now, but we will keep you in

(49:30):
suspense for at least another segment. Metro New state wide
correspondent Brad McIlhenny is joining us more legal challenges regarding
the West Virginia school Board. Brad joins us from the
basement of the state Capitol this morning. Brad, good morning,
Oh high, good morning.

Speaker 21 (49:48):
Yes, the basement of the state Capitol is a very
fitting place, so that I am unaware of all the
information flowing from above.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
All right, So, Brad, with the states school Board. Last
legislative session, there was a law passed. The state legislature
passed a bill that would require that the legislature approve
any policies approved by the state Board of Education. There
was a lot of angst about that. There was a
lot of back and forth. Is that headed to court now? Yeah?

Speaker 21 (50:20):
The Supreme Court. And you know out there, Tobyan Edith,
your quintessential average West Virginians, need to know a few
things about this. This is an ongoing power struggle between
the legislature and the state school Board that hits on constitutional,
electoral and court grounds. What Toby and Edith may be

(50:47):
familiar with is that just a few years ago they
got to go take a vote at their local courthouse.
It was a ballot initiative that said the final say
so on on education regulations for the state of West
Virginia should go to the legislature. That was the question

(51:08):
before Toby and Edith and all kinds of other voters
just a few years ago. Well, they voted it down,
along with three other ballot initiatives that year. This question
of who gets the final say of education regulations has
also gone to the State Supreme Court before an exact

(51:29):
duplicate case back in the late eighties early nineties, and
at that time the Supreme Court said, look, constitutionally, the
West Virginia Constitution gives the State Board of Education and
the superintendent. The general supervision of the free schools of

(51:49):
the state is vested in the West Virginia Board of
Education which shall perform such duties as prescribed by law.
So now you know what it's old is new again,
And the legislature did pass a law this year again
assuming the right of final review of the regulations that

(52:12):
come through the State Board of Education. In that moment,
even during the legislative session, state board officials objected and
they telegraphed, well, you know this is going to go
to court. We're going to sue over this, and that
is now what has happened. On Friday, this officially finally dropped,

(52:33):
and lawyers representing the State Board of Education indeed filed
a lawsuit, but didn't just generally file one. They send
it straight to the Supreme Court and essentially said, this
may look familiar to you because you and your predecessors
have decided this before. Let's just decide it the same
way again.

Speaker 6 (52:52):
A lot to unpack there. I have a lot of questions,
and I'm very confused. Quite frankly, we've been talking this
week about over regulating public schools. The Big Blue Book,
as I've started calling it, the juxtaposition seems odd to
me that we may think, and I think some members

(53:14):
of the legislature agree with hardesty that public schools are overregulated,
but at the same time we want to make sure
that the legislature can have final oversight over regulations to
potentially add more. Am I thinking about this the wrong way, Brad?
It just it doesn't seem to compute to me.

Speaker 21 (53:31):
Well, I mean, so if we walk another mile into
the weeds for Toby and Edith. The breakdown of responsibility
really is the legislature passes laws, and many of them
have to do with education, and I think that's when
we talk about eighteen A of the Code. It's those

(53:52):
laws that we're talking about that clearly lies with the legislature.
That's not an unclear division of labor. But when the
legislature does pass a law, it has been the responsibility
of the state Board of Education to fill out that law,
to say all right, this is how it's going to work.
And they do that through rules and regulations, and they

(54:13):
have had their own power, their own final say so
on all those details that fill out the law. So
I don't know that there necessarily is a conflict. I
think what President Hardy has been talking about, and I
mean honestly, I heard I heard Education Chairwoman Grady yesterday

(54:35):
generally agree that that part of the state code, that
is the law that governs the school system, really is
just overpiled with laws that have been passed over generations.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Metter New state wide correspondent Brad mackelheading joining us. He's
at the state Capitol where interim committee meetings are wrapping up.
Later today tomorrow, Brad, you'll be heading down the interstates.
You'll be heading to Raleigh County where we have two
days of hearings regarding vaccinations, religious exemptions, philosophical exemptions, etc. Etc.

Speaker 21 (55:08):
This picks up again in Raleigh Judge Froebull's courtroom, Michael Froebel,
and I mean it, judging by a cast of characters
who may take the stand, it very well could be
interesting and significant. The judge himself subpoenaed the state Public
Health Officer, doctor Mark McDaniel. Younilaterally made that decision to

(55:29):
get the public health officer on the stand. And I
think the line of questioning is likely to be, well,
what is the standard for the state Department of Health
to assess and then to process religious exemptions? If you'll
recall parents who are pursuing religious exemptions for their children
to not have to abide by the state's vaccine laws,

(55:49):
merely have to provide the name of the student, the
name of the parent, the name of the school, and
a mailing address to receive a hard copy of the exemption.
What's missing.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
You don't have to.

Speaker 21 (56:01):
Say what your religious belief is. Don't have to even
provide the smallest of explanations. And I think that's the
kind of thing that the judge is likely to want
to hear. The State Board President Paul Hardesty, whose ears
must be burning from the many times we've spoken of
him already, is subpoened also and could very well take

(56:25):
the stand. So a couple of days of significant testimony.
And of course this has been now one of several
cases exploring religious exemptions for vaccinations, but it's the one
that has gotten the most spotlight. The Governor has pointed
toward it, and it was first out of the gate
and the most likely to be reviewed by the State

(56:47):
Supreme Court, which gives it all kinds of significant context.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Brad, remind me there's a lot going on. Did the
Supreme Court ever take that certified question that mccusky and
crew put forward out of this rally on the case,
anything ever happened with that? Is that still floating out there?

Speaker 21 (57:03):
Well, that's one of the things that Judge Froebel will
have to decide, and he may take that up first
thing tomorrow. There are a variety of motions before him.
But the process is that is a question to Judge Frobil,
do you, Judge Froebel, want the Supreme Court to answer
a basic question at the heart of this case, And
so he gets to make the first call on that.

(57:25):
If he does, then send up that question, which essentially
is does the religious freedom law in West Virginia affect
the vaccination law? And then there's a second part to it,
and then therefore should.

Speaker 5 (57:38):
The state.

Speaker 21 (57:40):
Process and award religious exemptions? That begins with the judge
in the local court might answer that tomorrow, then the
Supreme Court itself would have to be on the receiving
end and they would have to decide, all right, do
we want to take this up? Do we want to agree?
There are also questions among the other lawyers in the
case about whether that question is appropriately phrased.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
That's a new state wide correspondent Brad Macklelhennet joining us.
Let's let's flush this out for just a second, why
not play some hypotheticals. It's it's established. You can't question
somebody's religious belief right. If you want to say that
you believe in the you know, the spaghetti monster, you
can do that. But can the judge question if question

(58:24):
if you demonstrate that belief in in everyday life. And
what I'm getting at, Brad, if we're going to be
talking about the process of granting religious exemptions or philosophical exemptions,
whatever the case, would those seeking those exemptions have to
demonstrate that it's not just this one thing that they

(58:46):
believe in, that they would believe in it, that they
would have to demonstrate this in other aspects of life
rather than just this one area. Does that make makeing sense?
What I'm trying to ask their, Brad, is that you
want to be part of this conversation.

Speaker 21 (58:59):
I I think it definitely will. The judge, Judge Froebel,
The last time this case was before him, it was
two days last month, and then the courtroom took a
break and they're reconvening tomorrow. But the judge asked all
of the lawyers in the case to complete some homework
in the interim, which is they had to submit briefs

(59:19):
on how would you differentiate between religious beliefs and a
philosophical viewpoint. So that's troubling the judge. It's the law
is the Religious Protection Act, it's not the Philosophical Protection Act.
Presumably people could have secular reasons for pursuing these exemptions.

(59:40):
That's not necessarily protected under the law. But the format
right now asked by the state doesn't even ask for it.
So I think that that's going to be at the
heart of all this, you know, of interest. Potentially. The
Attorney General's Office, which represents the state Department of Health,

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took a position in the filings that there really is
no difference between religious exemptions and people's philosophical reasons. They said, quote,
the broad common law common law understanding leaves no room
to draw arbitrary links between religious or philosophical vaccine exemptions.
And then they went on to say, representing the Health Department,

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a parent's deeply held conviction that vaccination violates the natural order,
that bodily autonomy is sacred, or that artificial immunity interferes
interferes with divine providence may constitute religious belief, even if
not connected to organized religion. That was the most wide
open interpretation of any of the filings. And you know,

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so for example, ACLU said, certainly there are reasons to
UH to consider people's religious beliefs, but as Dave Wilson
just there needs to be some further exploration of what
the basis that is. And then finally the lawyers for
the state school Board said, look, it mentions exemptions, only

(01:01:11):
mentions religious freedoms, and there are other tests upon that,
and they essentially this is me here. The school Board
essentially made filing by the Health Department that was submitted
by the Attorney General's office.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
It's incredibly wide regarding the timelines because I think they're deliberate.
You've got this playing out in Froebel's courtroom. It's ultimately
going to the Supreme Court. All of that will take time.
There's some semblance of a timeline out there when the
Supreme Court may be able to talk about this stuff.
It's next year rule on this stuff. At the same time,

(01:01:48):
you've got interroims going on, then the holidays, and then boom,
it's January. We're into the session. Any rumblings at all
among legislators of ball back up coming to a compromise
getting legislation passed that may make the court process moot.

Speaker 21 (01:02:07):
I think that there is, uh, you know, certainly a
compelling reason for legislation to clarify what either either either
thing here, either whether and how there may be religious
or philosophical exemptions to the to the vaccine law. That's

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one thing that could be the subject of well thought
out legislation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
The other would be.

Speaker 21 (01:02:38):
A refinement of how the religious protection law actually works,
because it is kind of abstract if you read it,
and does have some limiting factors, like compelling reasons for
the government to have a law the least restrictive means
those kinds of things. But if you were lawmakers, you

(01:02:59):
could get in and tak and say, well, in practice,
this is.

Speaker 17 (01:03:03):
How it would work.

Speaker 21 (01:03:05):
However, I have not heard even conversationally anything up here
the last few days with lawmakers suggesting that they might
tackle that during the next legislative session. But I will
offer some you know, some leniency. It's October and the
legislative session begins in January.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Mention New state Wide correspondent Brad mcklehenny joining us Interim's
wrapping up today. Anything catch your eye on the schedule today.

Speaker 21 (01:03:32):
A couple of things. This afternoon, there is a meeting
of the Committee, the Joint Committee of the Senate and
House that oversees flood relief in West Virginia. And of
course it's been a very difficult year for flooding, so
there will be an update on where West Virginia stands
on relief and recovery for the floods that have occurred

(01:03:54):
in the northern and southern counties. I'm going to have
my eye more though, on the state can participate in
fifty billion dollars set aside over the next decade nationally
to support rural healthcare systems. And there will be a
presentation at the same time as the flood meeting, but

(01:04:16):
a presentation on how West Virginia might pursue those dollars
and might put them to use. Also in that same meeting,
more discussion about how the Big Beautiful Bill will affect
mediciate in West Virginia, which is significant among a lot
of the residents of the state.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Gets your easy pass ready, You're going to be headed
down to the turnpike, Brad.

Speaker 21 (01:04:37):
It's true. I've already got I literally have pepperoni roles
to put in my bag.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
You get can you take snacks into a courtroom? Do
you have to do sneaky?

Speaker 21 (01:04:47):
Well, I'm not going to eat them there. I'm not
a savage, but i'm gonna I don't know that we're
going to get much of a lunch break. I don't
think i'm going to even get to trot over to McDonald's.
So the pepperoni rules will be in my computer bag,
and I am not going to aside from talking about
it openly with you on statewide radio, otherwise, I'm not

(01:05:09):
gonna tip my hand. The pepperoni roles are in my possession.
I am going to pull them out only in the
hallway when there is conceivably like a fifteen minute lunch break.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Keep them secure. We don't want anyone going after you.
Just make yourself a target. Keep them secure.

Speaker 21 (01:05:25):
If everybody only gets fifteen minutes and nobody else's thinking
ahead to having pepperoni roles, I've got to guard them,
and you know, watch out for people who might want
to seize them from me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
All right, Brad, let's catch up on Friday, presumably when
those hearings will be concluded. Thank you, Brad, appreciate it. Hey,
thanks Met your new statewide correspondent, Brad maclehenny got to
take a break back in movement. This is talk line
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Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Right, Texter earlier challenge the two of us to come
up with three members of the House, the Senate and
three sec cabinet secretaries. We would vote off the island,
so to say, and replace, And what were your you
want to give yours? You got your six again?

Speaker 5 (01:07:25):
There?

Speaker 6 (01:07:26):
Ah yeah, let me pull up the list. Sorry, I'm unprepared.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Well, I just kind of threw it back at Okay,
get you there all right?

Speaker 6 (01:07:34):
Twenty twenty five? Sorry, uh yeah, the Senate Chuck Grassley Iowa,
Ryan Widen, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Dick Durbin of Illinois.
In the House, Hal Rodgers of Kentucky, Chris Smith of
New Jersey, Stenny Hoyer of Maryland. Okay, And because because
they're the longest serving, they've been there, all of them

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since like nineteen eighty one, we need fresh ideas and
leadership should change over. That's the way I think the
founders wanted it, all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
Right, So, did you have any cabinet secretaries in there?

Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
By the way, n they switch every four to eight years. Okay,
they're not worried about them, No, not really, all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Right, So I came up with the six in the
Congress and the Senate would be elin omar Ji Paul
and Marjorie Taylor Green and then on the Senate side
it would be Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Mark Warner
of Virginia. Okay, did any reasons? Most of them are
terrible at their job. And I didn't like Mark Warner

(01:08:30):
when I lived in Virginia and he was the governor,
so didn't like him then, don't like him now.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
We would be well on our way. If I could
get my picks for my mentality and you could get
your picks for your mentality, we would really straighten some
stuff up pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Like I said, it's always the other guys representatives ours
are okay, coming up, We'll check in Ryan Smells on
Capitol Hill. We'll get the latest on what is happening.
What Speaker Johnson said this morning regarding the shutdown. This
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Madison Tuck told the jury that the three men involved

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were all from other areas.

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E shot were.

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Fired by Caden Bowman, who stands before you on trial today,
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Of her girls, Clark Jacobs were already pleaded guilty there
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Everyone freaked out and caused like mass chaos and a
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Down the complex was that testimony is resumed in Kanawha
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country is important to note.

Speaker 21 (01:11:51):
That's about a thirty plus percent drop.

Speaker 7 (01:11:54):
That if you put this fetnyl, that's about forty percent drop.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
And in the history not of said this is never
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Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Just want the text to know. I did see his text,
but I certainly cannot read that on the air. Bakudos
always gop for good comedy. This Texter says he get
rid of anybody over eighty in Congress fair enough, three
or four talk three or four. I can see the
excitement in Brad's eyes now getting to listen to two

(01:12:58):
more days of the same same ol, says the Texter
cabinet secretaries. Dave, you seem to have your list TJ.
Why not? You asks that I do have a list
of secretaries we can get rid of, and I mean
it's pretty simple RFK, Christy Nome and Pam BONDI all
because I don't think they're very good at their jobs.

Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
I'm good with that. I was just trying to make
the point. I'm more concerned about congressional folks having a
career in Congress. I don't. I don't like that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Uh, are you going to let another mentally atrophied president
slide by after all of the handwringing over the last one?
It's just Trump being Trump? Whoo eye roll says the texture.
Uh is there a specific did I miss it? Is
there a specific? Did Trump make a specific flub that
I missed? I mean, if it's just Trump talking, it's

(01:13:48):
just Trump talking. He I mean, he's always done that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
He's still doing those Somebrero videos I think, which I
think is in poor taste.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Did you can still be funny.

Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
Yeah, can I had to chuckle. Did you see the
one he did where he was like the four piece
mariachi band behind him, Jeffreys, there were four of him. Yeah,
I saw it. I saw it, Hey, not for nothing?
There was another great It was probably a I don't know.
It's on social media. I saw it today and it
was I think there were six individuals of Mexican descent

(01:14:24):
who were being stopped by the border patrol, but they
were trying to go back to Mexico because of everything
that was wrong in their eyes here in America. It
was funny. I have to say. It was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Speaking of and we're gonna get to Ryan Smells here
in just a minute. Speaking of Ai tj mm hm,
remember what was it last week? I was joking, I
kind of had the final countdown stuck in my head.
Do you do anything with that?

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I didn't, but one of our associate producers did, Andrew Lohman,
and came up with this little diddy fiscal shutdown. The
fiscal shutdown, well.

Speaker 8 (01:15:09):
Can be founds shut down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Shut down. And we own the rights to that one, TJ.

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
We own the rights to that one.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
You know this opens the door for so many other
ideas with AI. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
That's what AI was created for, not to solve the
world's problems, but nice rock rift, you know, to do
parody songs. Ryan Schmell is currently reconsidering his decision to
come on this program, joins us from Washington. D C Ryan,
good morning.

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
You wouldn't be my first time.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Uh, thanks for joining us. Ryan, that'll do.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
This will be your last hear and Jess Cadding Cadding
Yess Cadding.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Speaker Johnson held another news conference this morning. What did
the Speaker have to say?

Speaker 7 (01:16:07):
Oh, and a keen Jeffries just had a news conference too,
and I think you do. Both of them were quite noosy,
I think, and considering that they're doing these every day,
and you know, the trenches haven't been moved. But you know,
a lot of argument surrounds the Affordable Care Act text subsidies,
and Leader Jeffrey said that a one year extension would

(01:16:28):
be a non starter for him, as has been proposed.
I believe on a bipartisan basis in the House. And
then you also have you Speaker Johnson still not new
budget on this issue. Even though Marjorie Taylor Green and
some others have come out and said that note it
should be something Republicans move on.

Speaker 6 (01:16:46):
So one year off the table, can't even take that.
That's not negotiating. That's holding a gun to somebody's head. Sorry,
bad question. I don't get it.

Speaker 7 (01:16:57):
And he contrasted it to like your Republicans expand the
you know, expanding the Trump tax cuts and making them permanent.
But you Democrats have made it clear they want this
program extended permanently, but the Republicans have said they're not
going to take that unless they see significant reforms to
the program. And that was a question I just asked him, was, well,
are you going to support any reforms to the Affordable

(01:17:18):
Care Act? And he said that it's you know, he
has an open mind about it in some capacity.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
But we come back to the same problem. Nobody trust
anybody Ryan, So no.

Speaker 7 (01:17:30):
That's true. The trust is bad right now. It's bit's bad.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I mean, if one side says we're open to that,
and the other side said, well, we're open to extending them,
we're open to reform, but you can't trust the other
side to live up to their word. And that's a
problem that they've created. Of you know, they created their
own problem there, so.

Speaker 7 (01:17:46):
Yeah, man, And of course you know if the if
there were to be a negotiation completely separate from these
Affordable Care Act subsidies, I mean, that's going to probably
be a significantly I mean, some might argue, I think
there's a lot of different ways you can look at this,
but one might argu you have Democrats are negotiating this
issue by itself, and you know you need sixty votes
in the Senate, a Republican controlled Senate, in a Republican

(01:18:08):
control House, you know they'd be in some ways negotiating
from a position of weakness just because the margins on
them aren't on their side. And look, Leader Jefferies had
all last Congress to watch Kevin McCarthy and Speaker Johnson
try to negotiate when they just had control of one
chamber and the other party had the White House and

(01:18:29):
the Senate, and in some ways they got rolled several times.

Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
At what points? Because I think most polling I don't
have one in front of me I was looking at
the other day. I think it was something like a
third of those polled say that both parties are to blame.
As this thing goes longer. What are the odds in
your opinion that that third blows up and becomes two
thirds and both of these parties end up politically damaged

(01:18:56):
from this because if they're not willing to talk. I mean,
that's where we're going on, right.

Speaker 7 (01:19:00):
Yeah, I mean that's the million dollar question. You know what,
what's political fallout?

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
Now?

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
People have started to point out. I've had Chad point
this South Smin. I've had some other really good journalists
here on the Hill point out to me that, you know,
what proof do you have that a government shutdown is
going to be costly in election cycles? Because you know, uh,
I mean look, Ted Cruz shut ched. Cruz almost single
handedly shut down the government. He ended up finishing second
in the presidential primary. Uh and and beat out guys

(01:19:29):
like Jeff Bush and some other high profile Republicans who
are well connected and well fund raised. So you know,
there's there's this argument that the government shutdowns really don't
have the political you know, fallout or this impact on
elections that that people sometimes make it out like they do.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Starwall, Chris Starwall talked to us about that. Uh well,
last week, maybe the week before, when we were on
the Living on that. People have short memories and May
are primaries in May coming up next year, right, and
then November, I mean that's so far away by then,
who knows how many different things are going to happen.

Speaker 7 (01:20:05):
Are you going to remember this government especially in this
news cycle?

Speaker 5 (01:20:08):
Right?

Speaker 8 (01:20:09):
Like?

Speaker 7 (01:20:09):
Yeah, I mean it's it's quite fascinating. I mean, I
think you know, in some ways you some might argue
that the if they get to a November spending fight
that's gonna probably be more politically damaging and whatnot. Then
then this one is because remember the if they do
what they say they're going to do in November, which
is negotiate funding for the next fiscal year, that's that's

(01:20:32):
a whole year's worth of funding that they've got to do,
So that that's going to have a bigger impact in
what they negotiate for three months, right or for two
at this point almost one month.

Speaker 6 (01:20:43):
So here's one for you. I'm looking at the SMP.
This thing's been going on, what six days six days ago,
the S and P's rose a little over one hundred points,
So to your point, I mean, the market doesn't seem
to care, so maybe if stocks are going up.

Speaker 7 (01:20:58):
It did it first, first off themation, Yeah, because they've
they've been able to adjust. Now of course, someone that's
making back the gains that they've lost from the initial
shutdown likelihood. And of course, you know when when if ta,
if this thing drags on and tsa worker stops showing
up to work, and you know, military families are having

(01:21:19):
to rely on you know, food short or food shelters
the way that they're doing right now in some places. Uh,
you know, it's the economy going to start to have
a ripple effect after that. I mean, you know, this
thing dragging on. Uh, you know, the market's good for now,
but I mean if this, if this goes on for
a couple more weeks and the domino effect starts to hit,

(01:21:40):
I mean, that's probably not going to hold up.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Fox News Radio is Ryan schmell is joining us? So
October fifteenth, that's I guess the big date looming, and
that's when military personnel would miss a paycheck.

Speaker 7 (01:21:51):
Yep, exactly, yes, And that's kind of that's the trust
me that to date a lot of people here on
the Hill it circled as the possibility for when they
could figure something out out or when they might have
that sense of urgency to figure something out or at
least change course and where each side stands. So yeah,
that's certainly what we're watching for.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
What else you're doing on Capitol Hill, Ryan, I mean,
anything else happened.

Speaker 7 (01:22:13):
To while you're just yeah, Pam bondi pambo. Yeah, things went. Yeah,
I'm getting caught up on that here in a second.
I'll probably have another report to file for y'all to use.
But it's uh, it hit the rails. At one point
when her and Dick Durbin went at it. He was
asking her questions about the National Guard, and uh, you know, she, uh,
she didn't take kindly to some of his questions, and

(01:22:35):
I think things got a little heated.

Speaker 6 (01:22:37):
She keeps bringing him up as other senators are asking questions.
She keeps lines along the of the phrasing of I
wish Senator Durbin would support you know that kind of thing.
So yeah, she's still trying to get her get her
hits in there.

Speaker 7 (01:22:51):
Yeah, yeah, I don't even know Durbin still in there,
so uh, good question. You know, these senators cycle in
and out of these things like crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:22:58):
I just booted him from I don't know if you
heard our conversation. He was on my three to go.

Speaker 7 (01:23:03):
So oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Of course we'll get caught up on that hearing. Check
back in with us tomorrow when nothing's moved on the
government shutdown, we'll talk about how that hearing went today.
How's that sound?

Speaker 7 (01:23:14):
Sounds like a planned boy.

Speaker 13 (01:23:15):
Thank you.

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want to be straight about. That i'm talking about their
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screwed then you can pay someone to cut your lawn
and you can take it, easy says The. Texture believe
it or. Not first of, ALL i enjoy mowing my,
grass do a lot of good. Thinking SINCE i was a,
Kid i've enjoyed mowing the, Grass so ONE i want

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to do.

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Uh, SECONDLY i was being a bit facetious with the
point WHERE i, SAID i think it was the end
of last. Hour we all get. Screwed what's the, Difference,
UH i say that just a little bit. Facetiously, facetiously but,
Look i've never written a check to pay for somebody's
private school. Tuition i've never written a check to pay
for somebody's hospital.

Speaker 17 (01:26:51):
BILL i write my.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
CHECK i pay my. TAXES i elect. PEOPLE i vote for,
DELEGATES i vote for, SENATORS i vote for county, commissioners
vote for city council members to make those decisions to
distribute the tax dollars THAT i pay in to prioritize
and distribute those you, Know So i'm going to pay
my taxes at the end of the, day you, know

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AM i?

Speaker 6 (01:27:13):
Going let me tell you What, yeah let me tell
you why you're not, Wrong because this is what's being
lost in this debate about the, shutdown whether it's what
The democrats want to do with THE, aca et, cetera
or whether it's what THE gop, wants which is a clean.
Bill moving, forward the deficit grows or the debt. Grows either,

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way we're still going to run like anywhere from three
to three and a half trillion dollar deficit between now
and when the spending would be. Up so you're talking
going from thirty seven trillion dollars in debt to forty
to forty one in. Debt you lose either, way and
you're not gonna be able to hire somebody to mow
your lawne even if you wanted, to because your tax
bill is going to go. Up, well that's what's getting

(01:27:55):
lost in. This no one's talking about. That you lose either, way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Either your TAX x bill goes up or you're for
many their health insurance premiums are going to go, up
or your tax bill goes, up or. Whatever everything's going
to go. UP i got things to. Do i'll pay
the bills to move on to the next. THING i
mean to your, point and this ties into what you
were talking about, EARLIER. Tj you, know do we bear

(01:28:20):
some responsibility for the fact that you have an Impotent
congress that doesn't do what it's supposed to, do that
you have a president that pushes the extent of the executive.
Branch maybe we're not. Involved maybe people people have things to.
Do you have to get to, Work you got to
get to the next. Thing you've got a water tank
that needs to be. Replaced you, know a tree falls
down in the. Arc you got a lot of things going,

(01:28:40):
on and a lot of people just you know, what
what's my. Bill i'll pay the, Bill i'll send it.
On what DO i got? Left And i'll make do with.
That that's WHERE i, think that's just where a lot
of people. Settle what's the nefference between a three trillion
dollar debt and a four trillion dollar? Debt that matter to?
Me what's the? Difference?

Speaker 6 (01:28:55):
Oh but it. Should And i'm not saying you don't
care about, It AND i get why people have other
things to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
DO i know.

Speaker 8 (01:29:01):
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Speaker 6 (01:29:02):
Should we Are We're we're like the road, Runner. DAVE i,
mean we're already over the. Cliff we just haven't fallen
flat on our tail. YET i, mean that's the only.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Thing and it won't matter until there has to be
austerity measures taken at some, point until you start to
lose these until you just cannot do the things we've
continued to do for the last fifty. Years is that
a fair? Estimate back probably fifty? Years oh, Yeah, spin
spind and spin. Boil it's coming. Close it's coming. Close all,

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Statement we we don't have anything planned for tomorrow, because,
well we won't be. HERE i will be, Here teja
gonna get a couple of days to rest and, relax
AND i assume that has to do if you're watching
much news. Television why you've got the Fun friday shirt
on on A. Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (01:31:46):
Yeah, well and my kids reminded, Me i'm not wearing
these shirts as, much so they, did SO, i you,
know put it. On but Now i'm gonna take a
few days, off spin it with the. Family i'm not
gonna read, Anything i'm not gonna focus on. Politics i'm
gonna play, kickball one of our, favorites And i'm going
to spend a little time swimming and whatever else the
kids want to.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Do so the kids are in charge the next few. Days. Yep,
absolutely it's not a bad that's not a bad way
to spend a few days and you get through the.
Rain but, TODAY i think some rain today and tomorrow
gonna beautiful on the other, Side.

Speaker 6 (01:32:19):
YEAH i think. So and it's always nice just to.
Unplug AND i struggle with. This i'm sure a lot
of parents. Do To, dave you're talking, about we have
all these things to. Do you're absolutely. Right SOMETIMES i
feel LIKE i don't spend enough time with my. Kids
i'm not focused entirely on them the WAY i. SHOULD
i feel guilty for. That i'm not a good. Husband
and THEN i don't focus on my wife as much
AS i. Should so's that's what a couple of days

(01:32:41):
off is all. About so HOPEFULLY i can do a
good job of that and put everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Aside so that's why we don't have anything, planned or
at least that's my story And i'm sticking to. It
there you. Go texas, says what you seem to be
missing is That democrats are demanding one point five trillion
dollars in debt in exchange for kicking the can down
the road for four. Weeks Chucky shum cannot agree to
a clean cr because the last time he, did he
got crucified by his own. Party that is all, True,

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NO i don't think we've missed the point, There.

Speaker 6 (01:33:09):
David both are, terrible both. Plans that's.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
This is where we are. Though this is we're picking
the least the least, terrible the least terrible plan that's out.

Speaker 16 (01:33:22):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
Fair dave AND tj didn't get to listen To lot
the show, live but listen to The huffman interview after
hours yesterday on the podcast thank you for holding his
feet to The fire's comments have been nothing but. Rhetoric
Speaker johnson so far out, there he's in another. Galaxy
Says congress cannot work because of the. Shutdown reality that
is a. Lie The house cannot work this week Because

(01:33:43):
johnson put them on vacation and may put them on
vacation again next. Week no money for, medicaid but plenty
for a two hundred million dollar ballroom and a one
billion dollar upgrade to use the illegal gifted airplane From.
Cutter when you elect a, clown you get a clown
show every. Time uh still can't read that, one but thank. You,

(01:34:03):
uh we need a.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Book can we publish a book of what? Texts we
can't read the? Text we would buy that text that
we get us.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Fired we could probably put something like that. Together Get,
zach get on that for. Us zach our producer All
right Mention New's midday coming, Up Amanda, Baron Dave. Allen
that'll be followed By dave weekly With Metro News, hotline
and of course the guys will be in for Sports
line later. Tonight kyle and the crew For zach ETHAN.

(01:34:32):
Tj I'm, dave appreciate thanks for. Listening we'll talk to
you tomorrow morning to tena six talk a lot Of metro,
news The voice Of West virginia