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Coming up a little bit later on, Doctor Clay Marsh
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this report and the correlation or causation question mark between
Tonnell and autism that the President announced yesterday. A little
bit later on, we'll also be joined by Greg Thomas,

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second hour. With all of that, say, good morning TJ.
Meadows down in Charleston, Good morning, sir, Good morning sir.
God bless the great state of West Virginia. That's all
I got, all right, good way to start the show. Yesterday,

(02:26):
friend of the show from West Virginia watch Amelia Farrell
nicely joined us and we were talking about the pending
sale of the four state run hospitals in Beckley, Fairweath,
ar Alta, and West Columbia to Mark's Development for sixty
million dollars now the closing date has been pushed back
on that that looks to be a business related to

(02:46):
get everything all the tea's crossed and eyes dotted into
next month. A subsidiary of Mark's Majestic Care will I'll
operate those facilities now. In part of that conversation, she
in her article that you can read at westerniwatch dot com.
Senate President Randy Smith had some concerns or a lot
of the correspondents that he had received regarding the sale

(03:08):
of these hospitals was with regards to employees pensions, employees retirement,
and that there are other lawmakers who had heard the
same things, and that there were some concerns about those
issues with regards to this sale. To talk more about that,
we bring in thirteenth District Senator from Montngelia County. His
district covers Fairmont, which includes the mansion facility down in

(03:31):
Marion County. Mike Oliverio joins us on Metro News talk
Line this morning. Mike, good morning, glad you could join us.

Speaker 6 (03:38):
Hey, good morning guys. You really scared me when you
were introducing your guests for the show, and you've made
the reference to a comedy Officionado I was afraid you
were going to describe me. I wasn't what you guys
wanted me to do today.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
If you want to jump into it, Mike, you sing,
do you dance?

Speaker 7 (03:57):
What do you got?

Speaker 8 (03:58):
What have we got?

Speaker 3 (03:59):
You know?

Speaker 6 (04:00):
But yeah, it's great to be with you guys this morning.
I really I always enjoy your show so much and
appreciate opportunity to come on whenever you guys can't find
other guests.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, you know, Mike, we always hold you in reserve
for just such an occasion every once in a while,
you know how it goes.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
So.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
President Randy Smith mentioned to Amelia in her article that
almost all the correspondence that he has received with regard
to the sale of these hospitals has been employees, especially
employees getting their retirement, who are concerned about their pensions.
Is are you seeing and hearing much of the same thing?

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Well all the comedy aside. I think part of why
you guys brought me on is I chaired the pensions
Committee in the Senate and certainly that is a concern
for our public employees. And we really, in my mind,
have a really good track to run on with respect
to what we did years ago. When we converted a

(04:57):
state run workers compensation system to Rick Street Mutual and
we put in statue the provisions of what would happen
to those employees. And if we'd had a little bit
more time from the administration, we could have done the
same thing here. But what I think we can do
is when we come back into session next year, is

(05:19):
we can address some of these issues.

Speaker 7 (05:23):
How would that work, Mike? Are you envisioning a plan
similar to the private sector where you know, let's say
I'm forty years old and I'm working at Oliverio, Inc.
And I've got a pension a lot of places I
could freeze that, I could leave it there, i could
roll it over to some kind of market instrument, and
then whatever plan my new employer has, I go into

(05:44):
that from then on. I mean, what are you envisioning
in terms of how this would be laid out?

Speaker 6 (05:49):
You know, that's that's a good example something like that. Typically,
many of these employees are older and they have built up,
you know, significant credits within the public employees retirement system.
The challenge is there are basically three versions of the

(06:10):
public Employees' retirement system or PERS as we refer to it,
based upon when these folks were hired. So one of
the things we could do if we had an opportunity
to pass a law spelling this out, is we could
kind of describe what those options are. Hey, if you're
in this, if you're in the old old plan, these

(06:31):
are things that can happen. If you're in the old plan,
this is what could happen, and if you're in the
new plan, this is what could happen. And we've kind
of spelled that out. And if you guys really got
bored one day, you could go back into state code
and look at how we did that. For those public
employees that we're moving over to Brick Street Mutual, and
the irony of that is Brick Street eventually became in Cova,

(06:52):
which is the name of your studio, and we laid
out a plan to try to be extremely fair to
those employees. And the reality is anybody taking over these
hospitals is going to very much want these people working
for them because these are a special skill set taking
care of older people have special needs, and they're going

(07:14):
to want to keep these people around, I would guess
almost overwhelmingly. So you know, we've got issues of annual
leave and sick leave and pension, and you know, we've
got to work through these things. But I really think
if we, you know, if we can come into session,
we can, we can back this legislation up so that
you know, so that maybe it takes effect October first

(07:36):
or something like that, and address some of these concerns
and and help these state employees have some peace of
mind that their years of service devoted toward state government
and serving our citizens is rewarded properly.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
There have been some mentioned or I'd read some mention
that maybe this gets addressed in a special session prior
to January. But you sound pretty confident lawmakers can handle
this during the session in twenty six.

Speaker 8 (08:02):
I do.

Speaker 6 (08:03):
I mean, ideally, if we, you know, if we had
a special session that was coming up, and you know,
and we could, I mean, all we have to do
is go back into that code and grab that piece
that now has been repealed because it was no longer
needed the transition to Brick Street occurred. But then I've
looked at that with our council for the Senate, and

(08:25):
so you know, we've got a pretty good roadmap there.
There might be a few twists and turns that are
different because it's been a few years since we made
that transition. But I really think we can address that
and be fair to these employees, because by being fair
to these employees and ensuring a path where they can
continue to work for this private sector entity, we're really

(08:46):
taking care of those seniors that are in those facilities.
We're ensuring that those people that have a special relationship
with them, that have been taking care of them for
years can continue to do that, and I think that's
really important. So we want to make sure that we
treat our employees fairly, create an environment where they want
to stay and continue to meet the needs of many

(09:08):
of our older citizens who are in these state facilities.
And that's the concern that I have representing one of
these facilities, but also concern of our Senate President Randy Smith,
because clearly one of these facilities is in his district
and he, just like me, has these same kinds of concerns.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
Let's run the traps on this a little bit, Mike
and flush it out. Would we need to pause this
sale until the legislature can act on that code, or
perhaps the counterparty in this case, Majestic isn't affected at all,
so we can go ahead and move the sale. Would
employees have a better sense and a better calm that

(09:48):
this is being handled properly if we put the sale
off until the code has changed. What kinds of answers
can you give us around those kinds of questions, you.

Speaker 6 (09:58):
Know, ideas. Would it have been helpful during the past
legislative session to have worked this out in in preparation
of a potential sale, Yes, that would be the ideal situation.
We were not in that ideal situation right now. You know,
it doesn't appear from what I've heard, there's the likelihood

(10:20):
of a you know, of a special session before the
end of the year. It's always possible. But but I
think what we're dealing with is the reality that we're
probably going to have to deal with this during session.
Maybe it's something that you know, some of us on
pension side, on health side, we can annually leave folks.
You know, we can discuss and work through this thing

(10:40):
and use that Brick Street legislation as a roadmap and
and do it and you know, make it effective retroactively
and take care of these folks.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Antigue County Centator thirteenth District Mike Oliverio joining us here
on Metro News talk Line this morning. Mike, before I
let you go, if you don't mind, if I throw
you a little bit a curveball, a little bit of
a slider. Since we brought up special sessions, we talked
all summer about the possibility of wanting to deal with
pe I A. There was a presentation about maybe possible
changes that senators took in during the interim committee meetings. Obviously,

(11:16):
there's a lot of employees on pe I A and
your district up at Montague County in Morgantown down into
Marion County overall. Mike, what's your thoughts where do we
go on p e I A. Does it have we
identified what's broke so we can actually fix it, or
we just want to fix something and we haven't figured
out what's broke yet.

Speaker 6 (11:35):
I was not a fan of the proposal that was
that was rolled out in August leading up to potential,
you know, September special session. I just I just didn't
support that. I don't think it makes sense to have
a quote new plan and treat people differently based upon

(12:00):
when they were hired. That usually doesn't work. It doesn't
work in the private sector. And I don't think it
works in the public sector. And what I mean by
that is, let's say we shut out the current plan
and we start a new plan. Well, the people in
the old plan, the workers in that plan, are becoming
two things. They're becoming older and sicker over time, and

(12:22):
there are no new people coming in to balance that risk,
so that becomes an adverse risk pool of insurance. Those
people are promised an actual reial eighty twenty breakout, meaning
the state's going to pay eighty percent and you're going
to pay twenty They're promise that, and that appears to
be some level of protection. The problem is, as that

(12:43):
risk pool becomes older and sicker, twenty percent becomes twenty
percent of a much bigger number. So it's not good
for the older employees to do that. As for the
new employees who would be in the quote new plan,
that actual real cost was discussed at seventy five twenty five,
creating a much higher burden out of the gate on

(13:04):
new employees, and so copays that were seven or eight
hundred bucks on the current plan all of a sudden
become three thousand bucks in the new plan. So that's
not attractive. Now Here, we are with this tremendous challenge
of replacing retiring state employees, and we're having great difficulty

(13:25):
doing that. We're having difficulty hiring bus drivers and cooks
and teachers. And our solution to that is going to be, well,
let's make the benefits less attractive. To me, that just
didn't make a lot of sense. So I think there
are other things we can do, some nibbling around the edges,
and some other policy changes that we can discuss when

(13:46):
we have more time. But I I didn't like the
current proposal.

Speaker 7 (13:51):
So Mike, that's a fair point. But let me push
back on it a little bit. Are we already there?
Because when I look at PEIA, we don't manage it
an insurance program. It's a benefit program. I mean, the
more you make, the more you pay. That has nothing
to do with your health and the risk factors that
you bring. So I mean, are we already there in
that we're not already managing it like an insurance program,

(14:12):
and that's part of the reason we are where we are.

Speaker 6 (14:15):
Well, the more ideal scenario is, yes, you manage pricing
based on those risk factors, but the reality is, financially,
the public employees can't afford that. So so we over
over a system of years, have decided that the superintendent
ought to pay more for health insurance than the custodian.

(14:37):
We've made that decision, and whether one's healthier than the other.
And you know, if public employee pay was much greater, yeah,
we could distribute that cost a little bit more based
on age and health and risk in those factors. But
though we can't. You can't. You can't ask that custodia

(14:58):
to pay a rate be based on you know, their
health the way another insurance company would. So the other thing, too,
is the whole, the whole spousal issue. You know, we've
made this decision that the superintendent's going to pay more
for his health insurance than the custodian is going to
pay for his. But then we throw out this spousal
plan and we say we're going to treat the spouses

(15:22):
the same. So, you know, it would be fair to
say that in some counties the superintendent makes one hundred
thousand dollars more than the custodian in some districts. Okay,
but we're going to say, but you're going to pay
the same amount of money to include your wife on
the plan, your spouse on the plan, and to me, again,

(15:44):
that's just kind of hey, that's just not fair. You know,
how are we going to recruit people to clean our
state hospitals and clean our schools and drive our buses
and do all these service jobs and then pile some
unreasonable financial burden on that that they can't afford and
and you know, maybe it works in some areas of

(16:06):
the state, but in other areas of the state where
there are other job opportunities available, people are going to
look at that and say no thanks, And that's what's happening.
So I just think we need to step back, take
a broader look at this. I think we need to
fund it more. I'm okay with that. We are the
employer here. We need to step up and provide for

(16:27):
our employees just like every other employer in the state
that make something or sells something, and we need to
get to that. I don't I don't like the idea
of segregating old employees from new employees. I think it's
a lose lose proposition, and we need to, you know,
we need to look at other things that can be done,

(16:48):
need to look at you know, pharmaceutical costs, and you
know some of those middle manager costs and things like that.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Mike Olavario, Montague County Center, thirteenth District, always appreciate it.
Thanks for the conversation today.

Speaker 6 (17:01):
Hey, thanks guys, have a good day.

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Speaker 1 (18:31):
West Virginia Citizens Against Lawsuit a USE has a new
report outs regarding who personal injury lawyers are supporting in
the legislature. Well, this one as in particular judges and justice.
We'll get into that coming up. Greg Thomas going to
join this a few minutes from now. Later, Mark Martin
will stop by WCHS television sports director. We'll talk about

(18:54):
the life of Sean Clark, the Charleston native George Washington
High graduate who had been and the head coach at
Appalachian State. Was working with UCF when he had a
medical emergency a couple of weeks ago and passed away
Sunday night. His death was announced yesterday morning. We'll talk
to Mark in just a few moments, three or four,

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Talk three or four the text LI one hundred and
seven to sixty five, talk the phone number. A couple
of news and notes items just to touch on while
we have a minute here. The state high school baseball
tournament is moving and this is significant. The baseball tournament
has been held in Charleston since nineteen eighty with the
exception of twenty twenty, and we don't need to talk
about twenty twenty games played at Watt Powell Park and

(19:36):
then Gomart Ballpark formerly known as Appalachian Ballpark. But the
SSAC announced yesterday the tournament is moving to Huntington. Will
be played at Jack cook Field on Marshall's campus starting
in twenty twenty six. That will be for three years,
with an option for twenty twenty nine. So the baseball
Tournament moving to Huntington at the Jack as they call it,

(19:58):
brand new, right it still smells new? Yeah? Yeah, opened
in twenty twenty four. Marshall getting a baseball stadium one
that took of I don't know forever to get that done,
but they did a good job, did a good job.
That is a great facility. Yeah, I'm a tad bias,
but that is a great facility and I think it'll
be a great venue for the baseball tournament there.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
I personally don't think it's bad to move that kind
of stuff around. I get I'm sure Charleston wanted to
keep it, and Huntington obviously put together the best deal.
That's why they have it. I think it's good to
move that stuff around.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, it'll be good. I'm looking forward to it, looking
forward to seeing it there. It's about a thirty five
hundred seat stadium. You got some areas where you can
do some you know, you can bring your blankets, you
can sit, you can bring some chairs, that sort of thing.
And you're right in the middle of downtown. You're with
him walking distance. This is the main part to you, Jay,
You're him walking distance to about a half dozen restaurants,
so you know, we can go get pizza, we can

(20:51):
go back to ours. You know, it's all right there,
right there at the stadium. And I know people, and
I know people. Do you know who called the very
first home run hit Jack Cookfield?

Speaker 11 (21:02):
It was?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It wasn't Steve Cotton. Steve was actually, and he reminds
me of this. He was on a basketball trip, so
somebody had to do. They were opening the stadium. He
wasn't gonna be back from the basketball trip. So I
got lucky enough to do that and first bet, first batter,
first ball out of the ballpark.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
Quickly. Do you have a catchphrase for Homer's I do not.

Speaker 6 (21:26):
I do not.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Dave just call him like you see him, and that
one took me by surprise. So you kind of got
a genuine, genuine call out on me on that one,
all right, And I you know, and I tend to
remind Cotton of that every once in a while. Like
right now, all right, coming up, Greg Thomas, He joins us.
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Speaker 1 (25:22):
Three at four talk three or four is the text
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As we speak, President Trump is addressing the United Nations
General Assembly. Uh, obviously we're working, so I'm watching it, TJ.
But I don't have no idea what Trump is saying
right at the moment, but he is there right now.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
Apparently there was a foul up with the teleprompter, and
he took the occasion to point that out to everybody
and say, I don't know who's running this teleprompter, but
they're in trouble. That's a quote.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'd hate to be the guy running the teleprometer.

Speaker 7 (25:57):
You ever run a teleprompter, though, don't want to.

Speaker 15 (25:59):
It's not easy. Oh we had I had one on
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more difficult.

Speaker 7 (26:04):
There's more too, imagine, because you got to find a cadence, right.

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Yeah, yeah, it's it's more you really got a practice
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And you know, especially the ones that you look through
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It's really cool, but it's not easy, not easy.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
The docile tones you hear are those of GOP consultant
Greg Thomas. The West Virginia Citizens for Lawsuit Abuse out
with a new report, personal injury lawyers spending millions trying
to buy the West Virginia Judiciary. That's the headline, Greg,
good morning, teleprompter operator. I'll throw that on your title
as well. After this morning, Hey doing buddy, doing real well?

Speaker 7 (26:43):
How are you all doing?

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Going great? Doing great? So outline this report and we'll
we'll dive into yeah, we you know obviously, uh you know.

Speaker 15 (26:51):
Look, it's it's no surprise that personal injury lawyers give
a lot of money to campaigns for judges and justices. Uh,
they have traditionally in West Virginia. You know, we used
to have really competitive state Supreme Court races that were statewide.
And this past election though, in twenty twenty four, you know,
all the circuit court races were up, and so you know,

(27:13):
there was obviously there's dozens of them that dozens of
those races that occur all over the state. It kind
of took us a while to get all of that together,
but you know, all in all, the personal injury lawyers
spent two million dollars on just judicial races last year.
Last year, about one point five of it went into

(27:34):
circuit court races and not that much into the state
Supreme Court when there was only one hundred and seventeen
thousand in the state Supreme Court races, only ninety thousand
in the intermediate court races. With the majority of this
money though, being spent just here. I'm in Kannon County
right now, and so over six hundred thousand dollars was
spent directly given directly to campaigns of circuit court judges

(27:58):
here in Kanan County. And then there was a another
big independent expenditure sort of the additional funds on top
of the campaigns that was spent here for just Kanawha
County races. That was at least five hundred thousand dollars.
So why so much here, Well, one, there's there's eight
there's eight judges here. There are more Democrat personal injury

(28:21):
lawyers here that are very active kind of politically because
I think it's Charleston. Also, you know, if you appeal
something at the state Supreme court level and it has
to do with you know, government, you actually file them
originally in kanak County. So there's even a couple, there's
a couple seats here that tend to be a lot

(28:41):
more political. One of those was Judge Jennifer Bailey. She
received half of the more than half of the money
that came to kanawh County judges went to her. She
had a competitive race too, But you know, so you know,
the larger special interest groups that look at investing stuff
in court races, Connaught County is really where the action is,

(29:05):
where the competitive you know, there was a competitive race,
and so you know, we put reports like this out.
You know, we do this all the time for state
legislative stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Obviously we do it.

Speaker 15 (29:17):
You know, every eight years we do one like this,
because that's how often the circuit court races occur. And
we're already seeing, you know, personal injury lawyers getting involved
in a lot of the state legislative races. State Senator
Laura Chapman had a fundraiser with Democrat personal injury lawyers

(29:38):
in Charleston back in June, where she raised twenty eight
thousand dollars. Tom Willis just had a fundraiser with Democrat
personal injury lawyers here in Charleston a couple of weeks ago.
So you know, they gave millions last time. We expect
them to give millions again this time. And you know,
our organization focuses on that, right because we want to
go out and say, you know, look, we think lawsuit

(29:59):
abuse hurts West Virginia.

Speaker 7 (30:00):
But that's the game, right. I mean, they can give money.
Speech that has said it's not.

Speaker 15 (30:04):
Illegal, right, you know, it's not illegal for them to
do it, and it's not illegal for us to highlight
the fact that they do it. And for the people
that for the candidates that are receiving the money. Right
then it's like, hey, look, you know, if if you
were if you were if you want to see jobs here,
if you want to see affordable access to affordable health care,
if you want to see lower taxes. Uh, you know,

(30:26):
lawsuits of use at a lower insurance rates, lawsuit of
use of stuff that negatively impacts all of those things.
So you know, it's it's one of the things. One
of the first things West Virginia did when sort of
the Republicans took over was passed a ton of legal reform.
You know, we West Virginia was a judicial hell whole.
You know, we passed a ton of legal reform. You know,
things started to get better, and I really do believe

(30:48):
it was one of the main contributing factors to our
economy getting better. And here in the last year, Uh,
you know, our economy is cooled down in West Virginia.

Speaker 8 (30:57):
Uh.

Speaker 15 (30:57):
You know, we're one of only handful of states that's lost.
And during this last legislative session, not only did we
not pass any real tour reform, there were twenty six
different bills sponsored by Republican state senators that expanded liability
or created new causes of action. So you know, there's
you know, the personal injury lawyers have a ton of

(31:19):
money and are not going to sit on the sidelines
and they're getting very involved in They were very involved
in circuit court races last year, and they're going to
be very involved in state legislative races this year, especially
on the state Senate side.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
Greg Thomas joining us. He is a GOP consalt in
West Virginia Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse. This is going to
sound like a duh question, Greg, but I'm want to
ask it anyway. Why the interest in the judicial races?
Why so much interest for judges who are supposed to
objectively just apply the law.

Speaker 15 (31:49):
Well, look, I think this isn't one of these and
I think a lot of people come out right and
it's like, oh my gosh, you said they're buying the judges.
It's we're not at legend up right. It's not like
I really think it's like, oh, well they have a
they have a case before them, and they're giving them
cash and they're going to rule in their favor. It's just,
you know, they look at it and say, here in

(32:09):
West Virginia, now we have non partisan election of judges.
We're you know, there's not a you know, we're let
fewer states have elect judges than states that appoint judges,
and so we're a state that elects judges. We used
to do it in a partisan way. That was one
of the things that Republicans changed when they took over
about a decade ago, was they made these races non partisan.
And so what happens now is you get a very

(32:31):
liberal judge that will run a campaign as if they're
a conservative. And that's what we saw here in Kannak County. Right,
you had very extremely liberal judges that were putting the
local share Democrat sheriff in their thing, being like, I'm
tough on crime, right, which they're not really not supposed
to be able to say, but they said it anyway.
And and so that's what they did. So we like

(32:51):
to come out and say, hey, look, these aren't actual conservatives, right,
these are people that are liberal. They're running as conservatives.
And we had truble with it, to be quite honest
with you, we had trouble with it.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
You know.

Speaker 15 (33:03):
We We've done a lot to help fix the state
Supreme Court. You know, the intermediate Appellate Court is running
very well. Uh, but you have certain problems area problem
areas on the circuit court side, and especially court Kennaugh County,
I mean the Kenawk County Court House is by far
the most unfair place you could end up in West.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Virginia in court.

Speaker 7 (33:23):
That's pretty bold.

Speaker 15 (33:25):
That's it's pretty true. I mean, it's just it's a fact.
Almost everybody, you know, almost everywhere else has kind of
fixed it. But here in Kannak County and it's not. Look,
there's eight judges, right, so it's random, so you could
get you mean, had to draw of the case in
the course, you know, so there's you know, it's not
like it's it's probably half and half.

Speaker 7 (33:46):
What about this option? I don't know if it's a
good idea, but it's been done in other places. I
think we even have it here on a Supreme Court.
What about a public financing option to say judges can
spend X and that's all you can spend on the campaign,
and maybe it has better integrity for the court that way.

Speaker 15 (33:59):
We tried that for a little bit, if you remember
in the Supreme Court, right, Yeah, we did, and Alan
Lawfrey was the only one that took the money. How
did that work out? So we actually tried that, DJ
one bad Apple, Greg, I don't know, I mean, we
tried it, dude, and it didn't work. So I don't

(34:19):
know how I don't know what the appetite I do, but.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
I and we did it.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
It didn't work.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
It didn't work.

Speaker 15 (34:26):
So do you quit after the first time? I think
on that one you do. It's taxpayer be different. It's
your money, right, If it's your money, you'd be like, well,
maybe we try this again. Taxpayer money. You're like, man,
that little that little trick, that little stuff didn't pay
it out.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
So yeah, Greg Thomas joining us in Stane. Where can
people see the report?

Speaker 18 (34:46):
Greg?

Speaker 15 (34:47):
On the website w West Virginia KAYLA dot com dot
org or something, I guess. And so we'll have the
stuff up there, you know, we and it's really most
of it's just links to the Secretary State website and
stuff like that that we did. I mean, we have
the overall numbers on there. That's hard to compile, by

(35:08):
the way, I mean, because you have to you know,
you have to have to like look up what lawyers
give and then what you know, you literally like figure
out what kind of law they practice and do all that.
I mean, it's it's pretty time intensive. But look, our
thing too here is just again as TJ said, I mean,
it's we're not accusing anybody to doing anything wrong. It's
just we want to look at it and say, look,

(35:28):
if you're you know, next time judges are up, look
for this kind of stuff. During the state legislative races
this year, there's going to be a handful of Republican
alleged I'm doing air quotes here for those of you
not watching the video stream allegedly conservative lawmakers that are
running for reelection that are going to take the vast

(35:50):
majority of their money from Democrat trial lawyers in Charleston.
And I just don't know how you can be a
state senator from Wheeling and take all your money from
Democrat trial lawyers in Charleston and call yourself conservative.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
I don't know what conservative is these days. I used
to think I was one. I'm not so sure anymore.

Speaker 15 (36:04):
I'm still one, and I don't think I've changed. But
I mean, I just feel I'm a traditional, down the
line conservative.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Right.

Speaker 15 (36:10):
I'm pro jobs, I'm pro family stuff.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
But that ain't conservative anymore.

Speaker 15 (36:16):
Aspect is that it is they. You can't let them.
You can't let those folks hijacket, right. I mean, with
somebody comes into you and they say you're the rhino.
If anybody uses the term rhino. That's how you know,
like they were a Democrat like four weeks ago. Like
that's the dead that's the giveaway, right, And the reason
they do that stuff is because they know they're not

(36:36):
actually conservative, and that's their way of being like, hey, look,
I'm gonna take advantage of the current current environment, right
who could be?

Speaker 7 (36:44):
Who could be?

Speaker 15 (36:45):
Who would want to be identified as a liberal in
West Virginia right now? Run for office? I mean, you
have no chance at all. It'd be zero, Like like
you could we got five maybe House of Delga districts
where you can elect a liberal in you know what
I mean? One and Wheeling one and more in Town
one in Charleston one and Hunt you two a Charleston
or something one in Huntington.

Speaker 7 (37:02):
You just can't do it.

Speaker 15 (37:03):
And so what happens is a lot of these folks,
you know, I go back to where you know, your
first group was like the Reagan Democrats that switched right,
Like those were the people that switched twenty years ago
and then maybe ten years ago. A lot of those
sort of mansion democrats, you know, he used to call
them West Virginia Democrats. But you know, those mansion Democrats

(37:24):
they sort of left was the National Democratic Party got
very liberal, and lately I think, well I call them
Robert Bird Democrats. You know, I think it's people that
actually aren't really Republicans at all, and they just became
Republican because that's what they have to do to get elected.
And you know, so I just think people really need
to pay attention when these primaries are coming up next year.
You know, you know, what's the background to your person,

(37:46):
where's their money coming from? And you know you can't
just look at their Facebook page and figure out where
they are philosophically.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Greg Thomas, GOP consultant and former teleprompter operator. Greg always
appreciate the insights. Thank you, buddy, all right, thanks Coming up,
Mark Martin will join us. We'll remember the life of
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Yesterday, University of Central Florida announced the passing of offensive
line coach Sean Clark at the age of fifty. Had
suffered a medical emergency a couple of weeks back. Shawn
was a George Washington graduate. Charleston native went on to
play college ball at Appalachian State would eventually return as
the app State head coach. Spent five years in Booney

(39:53):
had just joined UCF this past year. Mark Martin, sports
director at WCHS Television, covered Sean as a high school player,
a college player, and a college coach. He joins us
on Metro News talk Line this morning, Mark, good morning,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
Buddy, Hey, thank you, Dave, thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I said yesterday, and we throw this out there often
that Shawn was was one of the good ones out there,
one of the great ones out there. But Mark, it's
true and a fair way to describe him.

Speaker 6 (40:23):
Oh, Sean.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
From the first time I met Sean Clark, he was
playing for the South Cardinals in the North South All
Star Football Classic and I did an interview with him,
and I just thought, what a nice young guy and
just very personable and certainly an outstanding player, and just
was a Sean Clark fan from that moment on. Kept

(40:47):
in touch with him, certainly at pat State and just
you know, his coaching career, and he was just a
rock solid guy, just a rock solid guy, and my
heart breaks for so many people.

Speaker 7 (41:03):
Morning, Marks, TJ. Meadows tell us about the coach off
the field. What was he like there?

Speaker 8 (41:09):
Sean was just a personable guy, never met a stranger.
A few years back, I hadn't seen Sean in a
few years and Marshall had played a Thursday night game
in Boone and so after the game, just kind of
wrapping up and kind of just was peeking in at
their facilities. That really had some nice facilities down there,

(41:33):
and I could see him and the strength coach for
app Stage had been at Marshall and he saw me,
recognized me and said, hey, can I commit to see
how to Sean? And I did, and you know, Sean
just you know, was so glad to see me, and
he just he loved West Virginia and there was never
a moment where he wouldn't want to talk to guys

(41:56):
from West Virginia. But yeah, just a just a great personality,
I mean, just a wonderful personality. And you know what
you saw with Sean Park is what you got as
a coach as well.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
We're talking to Mark Martin, WHS television here on Metro
News talk Line. And Mark, even though he had been
let go from app State and he was down at
UCF as an offensive line coach, getting very well respected
in the coaching community, and certainly there were going to
be other head coaching opportunities available to him.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
Oh, there's no question about it. I mean what he
did at app State was phenomenal, and I know he
loved app State and he had talked with Keith Moorhouse
and I a year ago we were preparing to do
the television game, and he said, you know, I've had
chances to leave, but I just love it here. Of course,
obviously it's where he played, and you know you've been

(42:44):
to Boone Dave. It's just it is a special place,
and I just always thought of a deed. You know,
Sean was a West Virginia. He was a mountaineer at
heart from that standpoint, and he was a mountaineer as
a player with the app State program and then came
back there as an assistant and then it's got a
chance to be the head coach. Won that Bowl game,

(43:05):
it was his first victory, and then went on to
win forty games there as a head coach. And yeah,
he won forty five games as a player there, so
he's involved in eighty five wins during his time at app.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Say Mark Martin WCCHS television. So Mark, just about thirty
seconds here when you got the opportunity to interview, because
you've interviewed a lot of people, you got any stories,
any Sean Clark favorite Sewan Clark story other than you
you were trying to sneak into their weight room there
while we were in Boom.

Speaker 8 (43:38):
You know, it was just it was just like you
were being around an old an old friend. You know
that that's the best way to describe it. And I
think Sean had told me that I might have been
the first person to ever interview him for television because
he said, you know, people don't usually interviewed the lineman.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
You know that, Dave.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (43:58):
But it's a great loss for Charleston, George Washington High School,
certainly Apalachias State University, the State of West Virginia UCF,
and you know, our hearts and prayers go out to
Shawn's family because this is just a sad, sad, sad
situation and that Shaun carp will go down as one

(44:21):
of my all time favorites.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Mark Martin, sports director, WHS Television and Charleston. Mark, thanks appreciate.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
It, buddy, Thank you, Dave.

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tailoanol autism correlation causation. We'll get into all of that
coming up with Doctor Marsh and a little bit later on. Yes,
Jimmy Kimmel going to be back on the air maybe tonight.
While he's going to be back on the network, TJ,
I guess Sinclair's not going to pick him up the
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That is correct. I have not heard anything on Next Star.
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And it's beautiful. That's what he just said.

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(48:02):
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historian Jack Loger for his take, because he accurately predicted
last Friday that this would be the case that Kimmel
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Out of this. We'll get into that coming up second
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Speaker 7 (48:29):
Morning, Dave. And as I looked during the break, President
Trump really flooding the zone at the UN today, talking
about so out of character by the way, Yeah, talking
about so many different issues, talked about Ukraine, talked about immigration,
you name it, he hit it today. So I'm sure
we'll continue to follow throughout the day what people have
to say and what members of the General Assembly as

(48:50):
well as political leaders here in this country have to
say about what the President said. And I also took
the opportunity to look it up. Nextstar has elected not
not to run Kimmel, joining Sinclair as well. So both
of those broadcast companies that said last week they didn't
want run Kimmel will continue not to run Kimmel despite
him being back on ABC tonight.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
We'll get into that coming up bottom of the hour. Yesterday,
President Trump held a news conference and warned that aceda
menaphin tail and all that's the act of ingredient in
tnanhol is a potential cause of autism. And his administration
touted the little known drug louicorn. I think I messed
that one up as a way to alleviate autism symptoms

(49:32):
in some people. The president was flanked by Health Secretary RFK.
Junior and other federal health leaders. The president noted that
he was diverging from the medical leaders he chose to
guide him. Scientists and medical groups decried Trump's warnings on Titan,
all saying that his warning was unfounded and potentially dangerous
given the downsides of leaving fever and pain untreated during pregnancies.

(49:55):
So we bring in our doctor to the program. Clay
Marsh is the Chancellor and deed of Health Sciences for
WW Medicine. He joins us a Metro News talk line
this morning. I'm going to say it once and then
you can correct me later, doctor Marsh.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
Good morning, Clay, and good morning Dave.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Clay. Thank you for joining us this morning this Have
you had a chance to go over the report, so
can you make the connection for us that the President's
making and is there evidence to even back this up?

Speaker 20 (50:26):
Well, Dave, this has been a bit of a controversy
for pregnant women. Now for a bed because you know,
there's so many different drugs that are associated with risks
to the baby, to the fetus that you know, women
and their doctors are very very cautious about what drugs

(50:46):
to take. There has been an intermittent signal association between
the use of different drugs and risk of impact to
the baby. As you also suggest, there's risk of pain
and fever to the baby as well and the development

(51:07):
of the baby. So what President Trump did is he
leaned in on a select group of research papers that
looked at the relationship between Title and ALL and autism
and also a hyper activity syndrome and children. And what

(51:33):
there was a recent big review, a study of all
the studies that argued that there was a small risk
of having these problems in the studies that they reviewed
looking at all the studies, but if you look at
the best studies, which the best studies from Sweden that
went over two point five million children. And what they

(51:57):
did is, in addition to doing that study of women
who took or didn't take TILE and All, and they
had very structured ways to do that, they also investigated siblings.
Because we know that autism has a very strong inherited background.
So in twin studies. Identical twin studies, up to ninety

(52:18):
three percent of twins will have autism together, but they
tend to have different severity, so it's not the same
in the twins, even though they may both be diagnosed
with that. And when you include the siblings, the brothers
and the sisters and the families, there was no impact
or relationship between TILE and LAW use and any of

(52:40):
the neurodevelopmental disorders, whether it's autism or hyperactivity syndrome. So
I think that that the bottom line is there is
some conflicting data if you look across all the studies.
This study of studies looked at forty six different studies,
of which twenty six owed that there was an association

(53:01):
in a negative way, about nine showed there was no
association at all, and about seven showed there's an association
in a positive way. In other words, the mother that
took title and law actually were protected against having autism.
So the most respected professional groups, the American College of
Obstetrics and Gynecology as well as the Society of Maternal

(53:24):
Feudal Medicine both say that pregnant women should not be
scared to take tilenof You should always try to minimize
the amount you're taking, but it's more important to have
relief from pain and to have relief from fever for
the protection of the baby and all in all, when
you look across all of the best studies, there doesn't

(53:45):
appear to be a risk for women to do that.
So I think the bottom line, as President Trump leaned
in to selected data of the entire data set, and
the best data, the best study said there's no association.
So that if my wife or my daughter was pregnant,

(54:06):
I would certainly encourage them as they needed to to
use tile and all and would feel that would be
safe for the baby.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
Clay, can I call you doct or is that against
the rules too? You call me whatever you want place, Okay, Clay,
I want to read you something that I'd like you
to respond. This is from the FDA their announcement yesterday
that followed President Trump's press conference. Second paragraph. To be clear,
While an association between antecidomenifin and autism has been described

(54:39):
described in many studies, a causal relationship or causal relationship
has not been established, and there are contrary studies in
the scientific literature. Now I want to unpack that a
bit with you, but I want you to first explain
this idea of what association means. And as I read this,

(54:59):
it hasn't even been it's just been described as a possibility.
Do I have that right or wrong?

Speaker 20 (55:04):
No, you have that exactly right.

Speaker 7 (55:07):
So what is association? I mean, help us break that
down so we understand it. So when you do.

Speaker 20 (55:12):
Research studies, unless you're doing a very rigorous sort of
group of people that will never get tiled all and
a group of people that will get tiled on pregnancy
and you and you try to balance them for everything
else being the same, then it's very difficult to know.
Because autism is not just a single defined disease. It's

(55:36):
a spectrum of diseases. It's a series of diseases. And
we know that genetic inheritance is really important. And as
I said, even though twins identical twins will have up
to a ninety three percent sort of shared having, you know,
autism in a single family, their diseases will often be

(55:59):
very very different, how severe, what exactly is impacted, et cetera.
So we know that there's a variety of genetic and
environmental factors that also play a role. So these studies
might show a statistical you know, a statistical uh, what's
the word. I'm looking for a statistical presence in that

(56:22):
evaluation to say, oh, we saw that women that took
tile and All may have had a slightly increased risk
of autism. But also it may be that they took
talent all because they had fever, and it may have
been fever was the problem, or maybe that they took
ton because they have pain. Maybe pain was the problem.
We know that women in a number of studies who
take more tile and All tend to have other characteristics

(56:45):
that might make them at higher risk for having children
with autism. So when you say causal relationships, that means
that we've proven that if.

Speaker 7 (56:54):
You do this, you get this and without a doubt
established right, if if I clap my.

Speaker 20 (57:01):
Hands, I'll hear a sound. But association relationships are that
you know that there's fifty things that might show up
in a list of things that a woman did, who
had you know, who experienced, who had a baby with
autism or diagnose with autism, But it doesn't mean that
any of those fifty things may have been directly responsible for.

(57:23):
That means that those things happen, so in everyday life,
we have a bunch of stuff that happens to us,
and you know, I might not be able to find
my car keys and I might be mad about it,
but then maybe I avoid an accident and I'm happy
about it. And we would say, oh, I didn't find
my car keys and that caused me not to have
the accident. But that's not necessarily true at all. We

(57:45):
have no idea, and so I think from these studies
what they found is even in the best study, the
impact on autism risk is minimal. For instance, in the
best study done, the Sweden study that looked at two
point five million children and to very structured interviews and

(58:05):
they have records of all the medication, so it was
a very rigorous study. Before they did the sibling part
of that, before they studied the kids in the same
family to look at was there really any difference there,
And that is thought to start to bring in the
inheritance risk and the other factors that children may share

(58:25):
in the same home. The added risk in that two
point five million study was point h nine percent at
ten years, So that was so your risk if you
took more tile and all. Before you did the sibling
part of that which said there was really no association
between tile and all and the risk of autism was

(58:47):
way less than a single percent. So the impact even
in the studies that say there's a risk is really minimal.
And I think that the President sort of took off
on some of the data that he understood, and again
I think the experts in the field don't agree with that.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Clay marsh joining us a W Medicine Chancellor Dean of
Health Sciences for W Medicine, I believe the numbers one
and thirty one children now are being diagnosed with autism anecdotally.
People will say it seems as though there are all
kinds many more cases of autism now than when I
was a kid twenty five years ago, thirty five years ago,

(59:27):
forty fifty years ago, whatever the case, Is there a
logical explanation for that or is there is that still
research being done to try to figure out causation.

Speaker 20 (59:37):
Well, I think that, Dave, the research is still being
done to find causation. We know that there's a number
of genetic problems that can be associated with autism, and
we also know that the awareness of autism is much
greater and the diagnosed the ability to include children in

(59:57):
this sort of diagnostic category of autism spectrum disorder spectrum,
meaning a variety of different ways that might impact that child,
has enlarged the opportunities to diagnose children with autism. One
of the things that you mentioned earlier, which I think

(01:00:18):
is an interesting finding, is that we know that at
least in some children with inherited risk of autism, they
have problems absorbing a B vitamin called folate, And so
because fol aid is a really important development vitamin for
the brain, that there has been off label use of

(01:00:44):
a medicine called pholinic acid, which is also called lukavor
in which you mentioned at the beginning, and supplementation in
some of these children seems to make a difference. Now,
it hasn't been studied systematically, and it may not be
for all children. It may be really limited to children
that have this particular series of genetic problems or immune

(01:01:06):
responses against some of these absorption mechanisms of folate in
the brain. But it does appear that there may be
some opportunity in a select group of children with autism
to be able to help them by supplementing fol aid
or folinic acid luk of worn as part of their
early developmental opportunities. And as we look at one in

(01:01:30):
thirty one children, we know that there's genetic factors. We
know there's environmental factors, older parents, low birth weight babies,
other issues in pregnancy may also increase the potential that
a child could be included in the spectrum of disorders.
But as you said, you know there's not a clear

(01:01:51):
sort of one cause or few causes yet, and so
more and more investigation is being done to try to
better identify and just like in cancer, cancer is caused
by a number of different problems, usually related to how
the cells grow and survive, and what we're trying to
do in cancer is identify those specific abnormalities, say in

(01:02:15):
breast cancer versus lung cancer versus colon cancer, and then
come up with targeted drugs to be able to help people,
you know, or immune approaches to keep those cells from
being able to multiply. And that's the same work that's
being done in autism, not that that's a cancer, but
trying to understand the genetic basis, the inherited basis of

(01:02:37):
these diseases and then see if there's specific solutions that
are identified by understanding what those genetic problems are really
causing in the brain.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
Most folks, I dare say, had never heard of Lucavora
before yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:02:52):
I hadn't.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
I had to look it up. It was developed by
glaxosmith Clins some time ago to your life. It's been
on the market for quite a number of years. It's
a generic. It wasn't classified to do this, as you said,
So now does there need to be some kind of
process and further study to validate this with the FDA,
Because unfortunately, I think what a lot of people heard yesterday,

(01:03:15):
Clay was this can do much more than what you
just said in regard to the certain asset and how
it could affect a subset of people. It seemed it
was over sold a bit. So what needs to happen
now to see if this drug actually has any meaningful
benefit to those who suffer from autism.

Speaker 20 (01:03:33):
Well, I think you know, as we've talked about having
appropriately designed research studies. Clinical research studies is so important
and at least my take, and I'm not an autism expert,
nor have I talked to an autism expert in the
last twenty four hours. Other than what I've been able
to read. But I think what you would do is

(01:03:55):
you would look for these genetic abnormalities that are associated
with reduced absorption of this vitamin into the brain, and
then you may you may start to take a group
of children that have this abnormality and then randomize them
either to getting the treatment, whether it's Luca of worn

(01:04:17):
or Foley or not. And then if you'd see an effect,
of course, you would cross that back over and you
would give the children that didn't get Luca of Worren,
you give them Luca of Warren if you thought that
would work, Because really what you're trying to do is
you're trying to establish causality versus association. And if every
child with the genetic sort of problem that you would

(01:04:40):
predict would affect luc of worn or maybe an immune problem,
that would destroy the ability to absorb that be vitamin
into the brain. If the children that got to Luca
of Warren got better, and there is some evidence in
off label use that there are a group of kids
that might actually get better, get functioning better with the

(01:05:03):
with the intervention of adding luc of orn to their treatment,
that there's a lot of enthusiasm for that. But as
you just said, we don't have the evidence, and the
key about getting the evidence is not just controlling the costs.
It's really controlling the side effects of giving children something
that they may not benefit from. But if we have

(01:05:26):
opportunity to help them, of course we want to do that,
and we want to do that in a logical way,
so at the end of those studies we will feel
more comfortable in saying, yes, children with these genetic defects
or these problems absorbing the vitamin, the folic acid, the
vitamin B and to their brain, they will benefit from

(01:05:49):
luke of worn And then of course we would add
that to the regimen. I think jumping on it may
be good for all children with autism is way too
early and is is not a thoughtful response necessarily for
treating children.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Doctor Clay mars w Medicine, Chancellor Genem Health Sciences. Always
appreciate the conversation. Thanks for your time this morning.

Speaker 20 (01:06:11):
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Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Thirty second takeaway TJ from that conversation and Clay Marsh,
I think does such a great job of taking a
very complicated subject and trying to put that into some
simple context. And here's my simple takeaway. There are kernels
of truth and what the president said, but those were
cherry picked out of a much broader and much more

(01:07:54):
complex conversation that needs to continue. On autism.

Speaker 7 (01:07:59):
I just don't think you can prove what was said yesterday.
It doesn't it doesn't add up completely. I think the
intention was good to your point, but I don't think
we're there and I'm not sure we didn't do more
harm yesterday than we do good well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
As we have said many times before, correlation is not causation.
Those are two different things. There could be associations, but
that doesn't mean there is a direct causal link between
these two things. And again I think that's what play
marsh was saying there, Colonel's of truth, and yes there's
an association causation, there was nothing to prove that.

Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Nah, the sibling factors when it comes to this association.
David would be like saying this, Think of two students
in the same classroom. If both score high on a test,
is that because one student caused the other to perform well,
or it's because they have the same teacher or they
have the same curriculum. You just don't know. There's not causation.
That's what we face in these studies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Clearly it's because one looked on the other's test. That's
why speaking of that, Jack Loger going to join us,
we'll get into Jimmy Kemmell making this comeback to abs Zee.
Tonight's we'll do that. We'll get to your text through
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Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Let's get in a couple of texts. We'll bring Jack
into the conversation. Just to moment three or four talk
three oh four Texas says maybe someone should check to
see how many billionaires change their investments from a set
of menef into something else, like I'd be profun before
that accusation was made. Just a thought, says the texture.

Speaker 7 (01:12:53):
To be fair, a lot of that was reported in
the financial sector. I went back and looked not a
month or two back, So if you're going to look
at Putts, you'd have to go back that far. But
that's fair. Point shorten to stored. It's a thing. I
don't know if anyone did or or not, but it's
a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
By the way Wall Street Journal reporting yesterday, Kenview, which
is the company that makes Title and all, it's preparing
for an explosion of litigation over its popular pain reliever
titl and All after the Trump administration warned the drugs
active ingredient is a potential cause of autism the food
and then of course it goes. Kenview is the over
the counterproduct products company that will spun out of Johnson

(01:13:29):
and Johnson in twenty twenty three. Tonnenhol is one of
the most widely used OTC medicines. It's a top selling
product of Kinview, generating an estimated ten percent of the
company's fifteen billion dollars in annual sales, according to b
According to an analyst whose name I can't say, so.

Speaker 7 (01:13:45):
Actually up there today, I was just looking, Oh, maybe
want to look, They're up fifty one basis points half
a percent. Maybe the market went too far and they
think how far ISLA will survive yesterday is anywhere from
six and a half to seven percent. I don't remember
where it closed, but it was in that range.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Texter says. Worst part, the US taxpayer will have to
pay a massive fine for the defamation suit the ton
and All will ultimately file and win. Texter says, Dave,
if you ever ate a carrot backwards, no, I have
eaten pizza backwards stuff crust. Thanks for asking good questions
and actually talking to a medical expert about autism. And

(01:14:23):
the president's announcement yesterday. I'm glad we have Trump over Harris,
but my goodness, he makes me want to bang my
head against the wall.

Speaker 7 (01:14:32):
I tend not to eat carrots at all, just my
two cents, but not even cooked. You know, my wife
loves them. She puts them in everything, and I'm just like,
I just want to meat potatoes, Honey, I don't really,
I'll take some corn. I just know they're not my thing, you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Know, all right, that's fair. I'm not a big car
I like them. Put them in a croc pop with
the roast beef and the potatoes.

Speaker 7 (01:14:52):
That's what she does.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
They're good. They're good that way, or or you know
Dallaston ranch dressing TJ.

Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
Maybe that's what I've been missing all these years.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Let me get one more text in here. Many current
administration many current administration included, are not understanding the difference
between correlation and causation. It is more medically accepted that
fever can harm an unborn child. Also a ceda menaphin
is taken. In this very real example, the fever is
the cause of harm to the unborn child, and the
fact that the mother took a ceda menafin is subsequently

(01:15:24):
a simple correlation of the fever that caused the harm.
Removed the aceta menafin from the example, and all you
have is more fever causing more harm to the baby.
All right, we'll get more of your texts coming up here.
Three A four Talk three to four, Jimmy Kimmel's Late
night Show. We'll resume broadcasting on ABC later tonight. Jimmy
Kimmelive has been off ABC since September seventeenth, after Federal

(01:15:46):
Communications Chairman Brendan Carr criticized Kimmel's remarks and suggests regulators
could take action against the broadcast licenses of ABC owned stations.
Last week, Jack Loger, a comedy officient and late night historian,
joined us, and this is what he said. This was
his theory on the Jimmy Kimmel situation.

Speaker 23 (01:16:07):
There's a theory that they they want to correct the
slide without firing him. They like him, they want to
keep him, So what they're doing is suspending him. Then
he'll come back at some point, maybe next week, maybe
a little later. Once the heat dies down, he'll come
back with an apology and then moving forward, he'll correct
course and stop being as partisan and kind of pull

(01:16:29):
back on that stuff, and maybe the audience will trickle
back in and that's a way to actually save the show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Jack Loger Comedy Officionado, Late Night Historian. He's also the
host of Jack and Nicki The Morning's Over on WVQ
in Morgantown. Jack, Good Morning. You hit the nail on
the head at least for part of that hypothesis.

Speaker 18 (01:16:49):
Yes, thank you, sir. Nothing would make me happier than
to return to your fine program and take a victory
lap right now. But I'm just going to be honest
with you and tell you I watched a lot of
you Tube stuff and just kind of took a shot
in the dark on that one. It just happened to
be right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
So the second part of your prediction, does Kimmel double down?
Does he back off? And just do you know comedy tonight?

Speaker 18 (01:17:13):
Well, now, see that is where it's going to be
very interesting. And as we discussed, I think he will
obviously see a big bump when he comes back on
the air tonight, and that'll probably last for a while.
People are going to be curious to see how he
handles it. Of course, he's got these problems with I
guess Next Star and Sinclair TJ. Did you say earlier
you had an update on what they're going to do

(01:17:35):
with that, or they're still gonna hold out on a show?

Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Is that right?

Speaker 7 (01:17:38):
Sinclair announced yesterday Next Star breaking today they're out too,
So he gets neither of those affiliate companies back.

Speaker 18 (01:17:45):
Okay, So obviously the smart move then would be for
him to come back on I don't expect him to grovel,
but he could, you know, try to come back a
little bit toward the reasonable center, or maybe try to
offer some clarification maybe for what he was saying what
he meant by that, to try to smooth things over

(01:18:06):
a little bit. I think if he does that and
then he kind of stays in that lane for a while,
maybe you'll see Next Star and send Claire come back around.
But if he comes out swinging tonight and he is
absolutely not going to play ball, well, then they may
very well hold out on him, and that could ultimately
lead to the end of his run down the road here.

(01:18:29):
But what I think is interesting is there's been a
lot of support for Jimmy Kimmel on the left. You've
seen a lot of people come out and so, you know,
he said some things that were demonstrably false and things
that people felt were insulting, and that's all true. However, However,
on the other hand, some celebrities signed a petition, and
so if they're going to sign a petition, if the

(01:18:50):
celebrities are going to be upset and they're going to
come out and support him, well, you know that carries
way too Jack.

Speaker 7 (01:18:55):
I tend to like it when economics Trump's feelings. Did
this work out the right way? He comes back on?
People can turn it on, turn it off, and at
let's see what they add dollars end up being an
ABC makes their decision and we move on.

Speaker 18 (01:19:08):
Yeah, you know what, I think that's fair and I
would agree with that. I mean, look, here's the thing.
When I was talking to Dave last week, and I
was saying that one theory was he was going to
lay low for a little while, that he was going
to return, you know, left the heat die down, then
come back in, which is ultimately what we've seen happen.
But the other theory, which would play into the question

(01:19:30):
you're asking here, is the other theory is he's been
on the slide for a while, and since January of
this year, he's lost six hundred thousand viewers. He's down
to about one point one million viewers about what he's averaging.
The show's in trouble. It's probably losing money. It's not
really working that well right now. So the thinking is

(01:19:54):
this is the controversy that they needed to kick the
guy to the curb once and for all, so now
you don't have to come in and go, well, it's ratings.
It's this match just like, hey, he went too far,
he's out, okay, But as you're suggesting here, you know,
he comes back in and then you just let the
market decide if he gets the bump, and then the
mump slides and his audience goes back into the toilet.

(01:20:16):
The ratings aren't there, he's losing money. Well, then he
goes away and there's no longer any controversy about whether
or not the SEC got involved and made some threats
or anything like that. It's just market forces.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Jack Loger, comedy officionado, late night historian, morning show host
on WVAQ and Morgantown, joining us here on Metro News
talk Line there, Jack, there are. So this is a
content rich environment, a target rich environment. If you are
a comedian, if you are a late night host, he
can still make fun of Trump, make fun of the administration,
and do it in a way that doesn't you know,

(01:20:51):
warrant suspending him on the air. He can certainly still
do those things.

Speaker 18 (01:20:56):
Yeah, sure, Yeah, he could say some funny things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
That'd be a good start.

Speaker 9 (01:21:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:21:01):
I mean, there's no reason to make it vicious. There's
no reason to try to vilify, to characterize people as
hip Larry In or you don't have to really go
that far with it. I mean, there's plenty to make
fun of with Trump, with the administration, with all the
people in it. I mean, it's really not that hard.
As you said, it is a target rich environment. If

(01:21:23):
you wanted to, you could just focus on physical appearance
and you could probably do a series of shows on
that a lot.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
Talk to me about the role of the FCC, and
I'm not trying to bash the commission or the chairman.
I did say last week. I stand by it. I
think they should speak through their orders. I don't think
they should be on podcasts saying this could happen or
that could happen. But when you talk about that legacy
media like ABC and Kimmel being part of that versus

(01:21:50):
a Joe Rogan who's on Spotify YouTube doing his own thing,
or Pat McAfee right that's on YouTube can do his
own thing, it kind of seems like the Kimmels of
the world, right or wrong, they've got one hand tied
behind their back, compared to these other guys that run
over to cable or these other platforms. They just do
what they want. The market takes care of it. To
your point earlier, it just seems like we're still in
this old paradigm Jack, with some of these legacy platforms

(01:22:14):
that doesn't really have a place in today's landscape. Maybe
I'm wrong, PJ.

Speaker 18 (01:22:19):
The world you've growed up in is gone. Yeah, kay,
let me just let me let me say this to
you as I answer your question. Let me remind you
I am a am a comedy officionaudo, not necessarily a
broadcasting expert. Fair enough, I would say.

Speaker 20 (01:22:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:22:38):
What I would say to you, though, is you are
right because over the air broadcasts, as you know, are
regulated by the SCC. But things that are not accessible
for free over the air are not regulated by the SEC.
Things that you have to pay for cable for example, Okay, podcasting,
things like that, that is not something the SEC gets

(01:22:58):
involved in. So when you're talking about these shows on network's, ABC, CBS, NBC,
whatever that they broadcast over the air, well, yeah, they
do have to abide by rules from the FCC that
do not apply to shows that are on cable. And
that's why you can turn on cable and you can
see people cursing, and you can see a lot of
things that would not fly on network television. So yeah, absolutely,

(01:23:21):
it's old school broadcasting. It's one hand behind the back
and it is very different.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Be funny, Just be funny. It's late at night, we're tired,
We've all got all of this heavy stuff we deal
with every day. We're trying to figure out if Ton,
and all you know is it causations, a correlation, trying
to figure out this impossible political landscape. Just make some jokes,
make me laugh so I can go to bed in
a halfway decent mood. That seems simple to me.

Speaker 18 (01:23:47):
It's very simple. I mean, you could do like two
minutes talking about how you like your parents prepared.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
Well, Jack answered me this, I was watching old Carson
clip the other night, and he was on sixty Minutes
and they were hammering him about not going after controversy. Yeah,
and he stood back defiantly and said, that's not what
I'm here to do. That's dangerous. Why do you think
today's comedians, whether it's Kim ol Fallon, whoever, why have
they refused to be like Carson? Are they not as
talented as as Carson? Do they need to go that route?

(01:24:15):
I mean, what's the devils?

Speaker 18 (01:24:18):
Well, that's a really interesting question. Are they as talented
as Carson? I think most would say probably not.

Speaker 7 (01:24:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:24:26):
I think this goes back to everybody having a voice
and a platform now with social media, and I think
they feel the pressure more so than Carson did back
in the day. You know again, Johnny Carson points the
Tonight show is pulling in eighteen million viewers. It was
the only game in town. But Johnny Carson didn't have
to compete with every single person on the planet having

(01:24:47):
the five or six social media platforms to you know
that they had counts on where they were going, and
everybody's debating and discussing things. I think probably in the
landscape right now, you feel kind of left out, you
feel irrelevant. I mean, I'll just tell you this, as
a guy who hosts a morning show on FM radio,
a comedy show, allegedly, we have to walk that line

(01:25:10):
when serious topics come up as well. You don't want
to completely ignore it because now you look like you're
out of touch and people are turning on the radio
in the morning and going, well, why aren't they mentioning
this big story. But at the same time, if you
get all preaching it on your soapbox and forget that
you're there to do comedy, that turns people off too.
You know, they turn on the radio. They want to
hear a lighthearted, funny show that also touches on everything

(01:25:34):
that's relevant. So it's a fine line. It's a fine
line to walk.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Are you going to try to watch? Are you going
to catch the YouTube version in the morning and your
morning guys, so you're probably not up here?

Speaker 9 (01:25:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Are you interested or are you just you know whatever?

Speaker 18 (01:25:47):
I am now, I'm interested. I'm curious, and I will
admit that I have in the past found Jimmy Kimmell
to be funny. I don't think he's an untalented guy,
and I don't think he's an unfunny I think he
said some funny stuff. He's been funny over the years.
I mean, Dave. Last week we talked about his brilliant
Karl Malone sketch that he did. Don't forget he also

(01:26:09):
addressed up as Oprah. I mean he did that. He's
done some funny stuff. He's not unpalented. So it's going
to be interesting to see if he does kind of
try to, you know, pull a little more towards the
middle and come in and try to make that correction.
And you know, again, there's a lot you can work
with here. He doesn't have to be that partisan, and

(01:26:31):
he doesn't have to be if he's going to be
part of partisan, he doesn't have to be viciously partisan.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Forgot about the Oprah skit. Thanks for reminding me about that.
I'm gonna look that her after the shows. Jack Lager,
a host of Jackie Nikki in the Mornings on WVAQ,
Coledy Officionado, late night historian. Thank you very much, Jack,
always appreciate it.

Speaker 18 (01:26:51):
Thank you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Take a break, we'll get some text. This is talk
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Three or four talk three or four of the text line.
Let's get in some text here. Jack is the last
person who should be you should talk to about comedies.
That's the Texter daven TJ. Trump's the biggest buffoon to
ever be elected president. I guess we have to we
have to first define buffoon, and then we'll have to

(01:28:44):
go through the you know, forty six other individuals there.

Speaker 7 (01:28:47):
Buffoon seems to be making a comeback in the texts lately.
I've noticed, though, that word's coming up more and more.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (01:28:54):
I like the word.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
This one was directed to you, TJ. You're wrong most
of the time. There's no Why can't they Why can
the FCC not talk on podcast? What's with a warning?
The f SEC did not take action, They talked about it.
Disney decided to preempt, not the FCC.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
When's the last time the Supreme Court a justice of
the Supreme Court went on a podcast and talked about
an issue that the Court was reviewing and would later
rule on. Before that ruling happened, You don't think that's problematic.
You don't think it's problematic for a regulator to speak
outside of an order. If you have something to say,
go directly to those who you regulate through an order

(01:29:35):
and say it, make it official. Don't do this on
a podcast. Well you know, we might have to take
a look. I mean that moves markets immaturely and irresponsibly.
It has repercussions. And I'm sorry, speak through your order,
any regulator EPA. I don't care who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
More text three or four talk through a four. Trump
is a low hanging fruit. Yeah, yes, easy, easy material
there if you are a doing the comedy. Trump says
things that are demonstratively false and insulting every day, about
fifteen minutes worth yesterday. Carrots are not a superfood. Actually, surprisingly,

(01:30:13):
sweet potatoes are a superfood and are great for the eyes.
Sweet potatoes more than two hundred percent of the daily
dose of vitamin A. Doctors recommend. Hi, they're TJ. Don't
worry about carrots. Just have some sweet potatoes.

Speaker 7 (01:30:24):
My doctors always want me to take fish oil. Your
doctor ever to say that you take a fish oil?

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
Yeah, I don't know what it does.

Speaker 7 (01:30:31):
It's supposedly for the eyes. My aphthalmologist is the one
that says, and I'm sure there's something there, but you know,
I'm just me and I don't like to take.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
It about this stuff twenty twenty right here, buddy, Oh yeah,
these are not corrected. Good for you, Eh well, I
got other.

Speaker 7 (01:30:44):
Issues, you know, as do we all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Uh Dave, Your guest admitted he is not an autism expert.
Why no mention of Titenhall's intro date of nineteen fifty
five in the rise of cases not long thereafter.

Speaker 7 (01:30:56):
I got to jump in on that quickly started being
diagnosed in nineteen forty three, I believe. So if Thailand
wants the calls nineteen fifty five, that timeline doesn't add up.
I'm just saying, way all the facts.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Three or four talk three four? Really you have a
segment on Jimmy over three hundred and thirty million Americans
and possibly one million care says the Texter. All right, well,
squeeze at another texture too. We'll wrap up today's version
of mentioning his talk line when we return. This is
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So go ahead play today three or four talk three
oh four. We can always tell when TJ gets worked
up by one of us Measley listeners, his voice raises
an octave. Uh, Dave, You're only off the hook because
you have awesome sisters.

Speaker 7 (01:33:29):
Okay, you may be like ben Stein when I make
an argument Bill alert Buler yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Bule er.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
This textra says, I want to swallow a handful of
time and all.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Would not advise that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
Did Kim wll not speak the truth about the shooters
family being all maga Uh No, No, he didn't speak
the truth. What he said was wildly inaccurate. Three or
four Talk three or four. Remember Johnny Carson had almost
no competition for quite a while, and he was very good,
says the texter. Ummmm agreed. The government has a chain

(01:34:06):
of command and authority that must be followed. Any official
that takes to the media to direct their subordinates has
a political agenda that should never happen. This is imperative
in maintaining that office's authority. Any other way demonstrates that
they do not respect the responsibilities of the office. Texts
Star you will get yes, you get the final word

(01:34:27):
on today's program. All right, we'll be back tomorrow. We'll
try to do it a little bit better than today,
and maybe even a little bit better on Thursday when
we come back. We'll talk to you tomorrow morning at
ten o six. Mention News Midday coming up next. This
is talk Line on Metro News for forty years, the
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