Episode 350: Detective Mike Charles

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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next guest of course. Put in nearly two decades with
the NYPD, sworn in in January of nineteen eighty three,
so it is the anniversary of him getting sworn in
just passed a few days ago, which we'll talk about.
Worked in a lot of different assignments, some of course
in enforcement regarding robbery prevention, and then for thirteen of

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those eighteen years he spent on the NYPD in the
Detective Bureau, wearing that of course, legendary gold Shield from
nineteen eighty eight until he called it a career in
March of two thousand and one, and that for this
milestone episode three hundred and fifty on a recommendation from
our mutual friend Zeke Ravelli, retired out of the NYPD
Emergency Service Unit. Retired NYPD Detective Mike Charles comes your
way tonight the Mike Didnwaven Podcast. Mike Welcome, How are you.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm good, Mike, Mike, thank you. It's an honor and
I'm mumbled to be here. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
It's great to have you. Before we get into everything
involving your career, the first question, as is the case
to every guest, where did you grow up?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was born in Manhattan, up in Manhattan, and we
moved out to Queens and then to Freeport and then
Marrick Longawa.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Any inclination early on that you wanted to go into
civil service, even if you didn't know off the rip
that you wanted to be a cop, as some do
or some don't, did you at least know you want
to do something in that realm?

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah? You know. I tried college. It wasn't for me.
I went down to Florida. I came back and started
taking all the police tests, and I got call for
the troopers, court officer, a call for the housing police.
I waited and then I took the city.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
And that was interesting back then a lot of different options.
Of course, with house you can transit being excuse me,
independent from the NYPD is as well before the merger
of ninety five. So I will say this, court officers
are not a bad gig. State troopers, of course, those
guys make out pretty well for themselves. But it seemed
like you really wanted the NYPD.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Why is that diversification exciting? You know, you can start
on patrol and you can work your way into the
detective bureau. You can go to the emergency service, you
can become a boss if you like. It's more opportunity.
And at the time I took the local county test out,
they weren't hire and so I took what, you know,

(06:02):
the best choice, but I had at the time was
the NYPD.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well, given how you made out, it certainly was the
best choice. You have made the right decision.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
There.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
We're talking with retired NYPD detective Mike Charles here in
the Mike Communican Podcast for episode three fifty. And for
those of you in the chat, as always, you know
the drill by now, if you had a question, make
sure you submit it, and even if I don't get
to it right away, I will during the course of
the conversation. So it's funny because I've talked to people
who were in the same class as you, that January
third class of eighty three, and it's one of the
larger ones that the NYPD's ever had. That's back then

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when the NYPD was quite literally putting thousands of applicants
through to replenish the ranks. And this is well before
Safe Streets Safer City, So it was very impressive that
this was happening at the time, even with the three
different departments. So in a big class like that, it's
hard to stand out, and maybe sometimes you don't want to,
depending on who you are. But just tell me about
being a large class like that and learning what it

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took before you hit the street.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
You know, we did a day tour and the next
week we do a four to twelve and it was
just keep your mouth shut, keep your shoes shine, get
there all the time. But you just want to get
through it. You don't want to stick out. You don't
want to argue, You just want to play the game
and get it done. And it went good, It went well,
had a good time.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
When you look back, who are the instructors that stand
out to you, even all these years later.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I just remember, go tell you in the gym that
was it. I don't Abbott was one of my police
science instructors. He went on to be a captain. They
don't have much of a ford, you know, they don't
stand out in my mind.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
At this time though, now getting getting out and onto
the street, you know, we still had the NSUS this
time and ended up becoming the FTU at the turn
of the nineties. But here the NSU concept is still
well in effect. And that was a great thing that
you don't really see really at all anymore. Where you
did it for I think about what six months to months?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, yeah, I got to sign that to Coney Island.
He six oh six one seven er and it was summertime,
it was busy. And then forget my first night. You know,
they give me a boardwalk post and I'm out there
less than an hour and I got a kid running
towards me. He was holding his waist and grabbed him.

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TPF was chasing him and he ended up hadding the gun.
I took the gun off him and TPF cops. You
got it. I got what, you know. I didn't know
what was going on, you know, but yeah, you learned
by baptism, by fire right.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
And that's your first tour too. Yeah, the first tour,
first tour, you're making a collar that's at the tone
for what would follow them.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Yeah, that's what they said. You know, it was interesting, Yes,
sorry ahead, it was a different time back then. You know,
you worked hard in your body card and had a good,
good crop, had a very good crew with me and
uh and that six months went and they call us
in and everybody he's getting their assignments and I get

(09:01):
the two three precinct in Manhattan. I said, okay, there
we go. So uh off to Manhattan. I was the
only guy who went to Manhattan. I said, all right,
so uh snowy day, go up there. And you know
they have one of two days of the precinct orientation,
all the rules, all that years. So then the third

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day they give us a foot post. I'm walking up
and then forget this, I'm walking up Lexington Annual. Maybe
if I went to the tour. I got a guy
going through a window. Wait a minute, so I ended
up blocking him up for argulary. I bring him back
into the station house, just stumbled into it. So, you know,

(09:47):
the career was starting to take off an early pace,
I guess. Yeah. It was interesting.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, that's for sure. I mean, and this is this
is during the wild well west of New York City
where the city had really hit the pits in the
seventies and eighties. So if you were a cop back then,
it doesn't matter where you were working. If you were
city housing or transit, you had your hands full. So
working at a place like Spanish Harlem, tell me what
that was like in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
It was busy, but it was it was busy. But
what led me up into the three four was really
got busy. But the two three was busy, you know.
I got to a sector and there was a lot
of radio runs. It was The tour went quick. But
at that point, at some point, when I was at

(10:37):
a two three, they disbanded the Tactical Patrol Force and
my boss approached me and another guy and said, would
you want to go to the Manhattan North Test Force
six at night? Till two in the morning because I
was making a lot of college and I said, yeah,
I'll go there. And the Tesk force worked for four
on tours, so you'd start Sunday in Central Park. Sunday

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was your day, and then you go into two eight
three two three L three four backup on heavy jobs
and that was that was extremely busy. And then when
I was working there, I was making a lot of
collars and the CEO said, would you be interested in

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going to Borrow Crime. I said, yeah, I'd love to
go to Borrow Crime. So Mike Tiffany was my lieutenant.
Joe McKenna was my sergeant, and we worked out of
the basement of a three L we had from ninety
sixth Street to the Bronx sixth at night till two
in the morning.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I'm sure notes where it was ever born.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, it was all hard charges. I remember one night
I was working up in the three fourth north of
the Diamond Street, Delhi, and I'm working with a guy.
My partner was in court that day, so I'm working
with the guy's getting ready to make sergeants, so he's
kind of you know, I'm ready to eat in the
car and keep going you know. And we're parked up

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there and I see a car blow stop sign, and
then I see a second car bowl stops on. I said,
I'm gonna pull that car over. No, no, I said,
I'm stopping the car. So we pulled the car over,
and he was driving. So he gets out. He said,
the guy's got a vest on. So as I'm approaching

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the passenger side the first car that stopped, that passenger
approaches me. He's got a nine millimeters in his waist.
So I got a driver this car with a vest on,
and now I got a passenger coming at me. Would
have done ran and jammed my gun into his stomach,
all right, got on here called eighty five fourth. But

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we ended up getting six guns, a couple two kilows
four purpse, and the one guy the car later committed
a homicide. He committed he killed a husband and wife
up out by LaGuardia Airport. So crack cocaine had exploded
in Washington nights, people coming from Jersey to grab their crack.

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I remember tossing a guy coming rover with these little
vials with these red caps as what is this? It
was crack crack cocaine, And we would sit one hundred
and fifty eighth Street had a dozen homicides in one
year on the block from Broadway to Amsterdam, and we
would sit there and it was like shooting ducks in

(13:37):
the water, guys walking. Then went the time in the
summer after with a briefcase, opened a briefcase. Drugs done.
So it really got very busy when I was in
the Borough of Cime team. Then one night, one of
the guys I worked with up into two eight he
had two wight two sixth word. He'd seen a guy

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breaking into a car. He went to approach him. I
turned on him with a silver object turned out to
be a knife, but it was dark. He fired. He yeah,
he shot the guy.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Unfortunately the guy passed and the chief said, I'm going
to have to spurrow this, you know, disband the Borrow
crime team. Put the guys in rep ask whatever rip
they want to go to. So my boss said, where
do you want to go? I said, put me in
the three four ward. It was the busiest it was,

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So I went up to the three four rip. I
was like a kid. It was all old guys like
I'm walking up there, and that was some right. That
was some right, And that's where I became a detective.
That's why I learned to become a detective. Junior Leonard

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was my sergeant, and I had a guy from the
Bank Robbery Task Force. See back then, you couldn't get
the shield. The shield was impossible to get. There wasn't
a lot of them, and it was very it was
going to take a long time. So and then forget
this guy walks in with like a red and black

(15:15):
hunting jacket on, and Lenny looks at him and he says,
you dressed like that, be a detective. He see, I'm
a detective. He was a detective. He was in the
robbery team that when they were robbing stores, he'd be
in the store with a rifle and he would engage
the purpse in a gun battle. And they disbanded that

(15:38):
and they put him. So this this is the three fourth.
This is I'm saying to myself, this is not you know,
I got this guy from the bank robbery cast for us.
They're not talking and made the three of us. So
the guy who was in the in a bout in
the robber anti robbery team shooting people, he gave me
a car to a psychiatrist. He says, listen if I

(15:59):
can crazy coolest guy. I said, oh my god, what
is going on? So, I mean it was crazy. It
was busy. There were bodies dropping all the time, murders
were comming. Two three people get shot. They don't want
the police assistance case closed. And the three four was jumping.

(16:22):
It was really jumping. But I'm still not got a
shot at the shield. So a friend of mine said
to me, you're going to have to go to narcotics.
I said, I don't want to go to narcotics, because
you're going to have to go. It's right now to
get you on to track it. Now, you do eighteen
months in an investigative assignment, you get your shield. So

(16:47):
I made it a broadbery arrest. They said, what do
you want to do? I said, I guess I'll go
to narcotics. So they put me in Brooklyn North Narcotics.
I'll never forget the first day there I get there. Now,
it's very very supervised. There's a sergeant in people on
the team. I'm used to being in the detective bureu.
I'm doing whatever I want to do. I said, this
is not going to work. Uh, So I did some

(17:10):
time there. UH. I ended up going to UH. I
was partying a lot. I ended up going to the
farm and Frank call the chief of narcotics. A friend
of mine was a lieutenant, and he told him that
I was going to go, and you know, everything was good.
I got my gun back and ready to go back

(17:31):
on patroling. Franks did he want to go to DA Now?
Where does he want to go? I said, I just
want to go back to Manhattan. Detective said, tell him,
want to send me to a Manhattan squad. So the
next order I was I got sent up to the
two four squad let's catching cases. It was great, but

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Joe mckennam, my old sergeant, was now with a robbery squad.
Sergeant he had called me about coming down to robberie
squatt He said, but there's a lot of people want
to come here. I don't know if you can be
able to get this done. Swell, I'll try, you know,
and a company interview and we'll see what happens. And
I interviewed. It went well, but again, I don't know

(18:15):
if I'm going to be able to get this done.
So my father at the time was chief of port
already Kennedy yet civilian aviation. So I told him, I said, yeah,
I don't know if I'm going to get it. I
don't know. I don't I kind of choose to get there.
So he had mentioned and inspector's name to me who

(18:37):
used to be in intel and got flopped out of intel.
Well he was now to see what Robbie. My father
didn't say, but he said, I'll call the guy. He
called him up. He says, your son, we'll bring him in.
So I get down the interview. They pick up six
people for Central Robbie Division and there were everybody they
had crans. I'm just so. They sent me to Manhattan

(18:58):
Robbery Squad and the there was weren't that many rips
in the city in Manhattan, so we did course precinct
boundary robbery complaints throughout the city and we did a
lot of good cases there. We did a lot of
good cases, started to you know, get splash in the media,

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and did a lot of pattern robbery. It's nice colas.
And then then I was out in the Hamptons and
I get a phone call from Lieutenant O'Connor. He said, Mike,
I need you to do me a f I see him.
What do you need? So I need you to set
up a rip. In the nineteenth You're going to be
getting a chief of Forger's son in law, Timmy Barry

(19:44):
retired as a captain. Great guy as a sergeant. You're
gonna get Sergeant Barry. I'm going to give you a
guy from narcotics and a bunch of white shields and
good luck. I was unbelievable. It was the greatest time
in my life. Were got up to the nineteenth nineteenth

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cover is fifteen ninth Street to ninety sixth Street. It's
the richest area in the country and every case matters there.
First we grew up there. Andy Stein was the city
council president. He had a perp come into assassin rob
his family. That was the first week up there. These
first weeks they hit me. When the perp fled, he

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pulled his pants down and left him outside the building,
wolf to the side, so we were able, and he
left his driver's license in his pants, so we knew
who we were looking for. We ended up getting him
with great success. Then we had the Vara Wang, the
famous designer of store, got robbed. The complainants in the

(20:54):
store were a big taxi cab owners from Washington. That
was a big case we tracked. We had one guy
in prison on that one and one guy you know,
so it was just one case after the other. But
then it was time to go back to the robbery
squad and all kind of called me and he said, listen,
I got to bring you back. I said, lot, I

(21:16):
think I want to stay here. I really enjoy it here. Sorry,
we'll transfer it to the borough. It was in the
nineteenth so I had a great time yet. But one
of my most famous cases was John Royster Juliani was president,
was president, was may and we had a guy terrorizing

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the Upper east Side. He was terrorizing Manhattan, smashing women
in the face with stones. It killed one or two women.
I think it was two women he killed. He did
a lot of a lot of terror, a lot of terror,
and we were we processed the crime scene and we
got a fingerprint and he only had one collar for

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jumping the turnstile. That's all he ever had. He lived
in the Bronx. We had gone up to the Bronx
search his house. He wasn't there. Special Investigations Division, their
apprehension team ended up getting them coming out off the
train and he brought him up to the nineteenth and

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this was like the Super Bowl. Everybody wanted to talk
to this guy. So Manhattan a homicide was up there
and we would feud with them, but you know, I'd
listened there to work on it and let him give
it a shot, you know, let him talk them. So
they're talking to him, but they're not getting anywhere. A

(22:46):
couple of the guys are talking to him, are not
getting anywhere. So so I'll take a crack at it.
So I going up talking to him, and he says,
I said, eas you go for an Asian. He said,
Asians and drugs. Okay, Asians and rugs. I'm making progress

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because one of our victims was Asian. So we're talking
and at the time, I had been going through a
divorce and I told him I used to beat my wife.
It's not true. And his eyes lit up to me
and we start talking. We're talking, We're talking, We're talking.
And when in Central Park when he killed one of

(23:31):
the victims, he had sexually abused it and he cleaned
himself off with a McDonald's napping. He knew that, the
woman knew that, and I knew that, and He said
to me, you got the napping, You got the McDonald's napping,
and I know I had, So I kept going and
he gave me a full confession. And he's still in prison.

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His father was in prison for homicide. Now comes the
fan fait, now comes the grade, the whole bit. I
had gotten third grade, so I I was on a
shaft for a second and I didn't get it. I

(24:19):
didn't get the second for this case because they thought
I had it. And Chief called me and he was
achieve Man, what are you gonna do? You know there'll
be another one in something that's life? What are you
gonna do? You know? We're all here, we're safe. So whatever, it's,
it's life. Well, it turns out one of Rudy Giuliani's

(24:43):
biggest contributors. It becomes a victim of a thirty five
thousand dollars burglary. The guy's got an entire floor and
Park Adnue apartment. Step off the elevator. This guy's got
more money than God. So my boss says to me
and my partner, Tommy Ryan, the great detective, you guys
got to see if you can do somewhere. Okay, So
we don't see the guy. He says, listen, my wife

(25:05):
is breaking my chops about this. Can you just get it? Soft?
I said, yeah, yeah, we'll get it. Who's the elevator?
Who who's He gives me his name. Guy's got a sheet.
I go out to Brooklyn. We end up getting the
jewelry back. We get him. So what can I do
for you? What can you do for me? At this point,
he said, I'm up for second grade. So he speaks

(25:30):
to Juliani. If okay, Marcus Charles and the Chief Detective's
office gets second grade, he calls over the chief give
Charles he gets it. So I didn't get it, so
I said, well, I guess this ain't gonna happen. So
then I don't know. A few months went by and

(25:52):
they called me and they said, you get great. So
that was that. That was a long time, and I
was very proud of that, very proud of getting segregated.
And I was going to do thirty five years on
the job. I loved the job. But I had left

(26:13):
the pretin Detective squad and I went down to Special
Investigations Vision and Savans that Marnsion team and broken grabbing
a park for some squad and I ended up in
a fistfight and I blew out my thumb, and uh,
they had to do surgery in my hand, and I
didn't want to get out, but they said I went

(26:36):
down there and they said that's it. So I said,
what's all? So how'd you get here today? I said,
I drave Nobody ever tells the truth. I said, I
drove myself. But they gave me three courts, so it's okay, said.

(26:57):
I developed a private investigations business, security business. I had
Anne Heuser Busch for thirty thirty five years, marked in
the film industry. I'm still an investigator. I have a
lot of good cases we've done, and life is good,
but I still miss the police. To bump, it was

(27:18):
a good job.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
It's a great job, absolutely, And then you left in
March of two thousand and one too. So here's the
thing to keep in mind. That's March of one. Six
months later is nine to eleven. If you were still
in the job, who knows what happened?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Right? So I did six weeks straight at nine to eleven.
One of my clients owned the hotel there on North
End Avenue, and I had a stadia for six weeks,
So it was it was some experience.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
Some experience just to go back to eighty eight when
you first got the shield. What's interesting is, as we've
discussed before on this program previous guest, that with that
gold shield, it's the only rank in the NYPD you
don't test for. You know, you truly do if you're
worth your weight, you truly do have to earn it.

(28:06):
You know, other ranks, And that's not to say you
don't earn it with other ranks. There's a lot of
people who work hard, they study hard, and they're good
people who deserve it. So for anybody for those other ranks,
no offense there. But it's the only rank in which
you don't take an example for, so to wear it
there's a little bit more prestige in my humble opinion.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
But you know, back back then, it took a long
time to get. It was only three four hundred detectives
so and it was only one hundred seconds and maybe
fifty or one hundred first, so it was very difficult
to get.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
When you think about the people that have held that
shield over the years, I mean, I imagine the first
time they told you and the first time you were
actually given the shield. It had to be I guess,
two of the most surreal moments of your career in
a career that had a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, it was. It was, Yeah, it was shocking, it
was it's all I haven't wanted, and it was you
got it. I got it, and I was thrilled. I
was happy. Well, I've never sat for a promotion example,
I've never taken.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
That kind of goes back to what you said earlier
about diversification in the NYPD, where you can do that.
There are people that are really happy on patrol, never
ever ever want to take a test for any kind
of promotion because they're really happy where they are and
have a whale of a time on patrol. And that's great.
But then you have people that want to be detectives
and want to be bosses, and you can do that.
You can look at Kevin Kuschler's in the chat right now.

(29:29):
He says a great detective, better person he did that,
did a lot of time on PD, particularly in an
emergency service and truck one. Shout out to you, Kevin.
He was on the show previously and you know he
ended up an industry very good guy. So you know,
just to compartmentalize those thirteen years. Those early years, you really,
like with anything new, but especially in the police department,
you really got to learn the rank. And it requires

(29:53):
a lot of patients because these cases, it's not like
an episode of Law and Order resolves itself in an hour.
It takes a lot longer than that. And sometimes we
got these really bad guys. At all you want to do,
let's just put them down for the count in prison.
That's where that patience is needed. So when you look
back on those first two or three years of being
a new third grader at the time, who would you

(30:14):
say were the senior detectives that really helped you learn
what it took to be an investigator, not just a cop,
but an investigator.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I have to give all the credit that three four
Squad three four. I was a kid when I was
up there. They were like my father was like working
with my parents. It was these were old school guys,
you know, Thursday night, we didn't work, We went out,
you know. But I learned a lot from the three four.

(30:46):
Jerry Giorgio, retired first grader, What an incredible human being,
What a great guy. He died a few years ago.
I wanted to a funeral. Incredible person, incredible detective. Just
how many good people I've met along the way. That's
Billy Ryan, great detectives, Tommy Ryan, so many good guys.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Absolutely, I want to focus on robbery too, because all
these investigations are important, but robbery is interesting because and
even without the violence component. Not all robberies involve strong
arming and attacking someone, but nevertheless, it's one of the
more personal crimes you can commit because it's cycle at
least for the victim, rather if they confront their attacker

(31:29):
or not. Even if the robbery occurs when they're not home.
It's unnerving because home exactly as it says, it's the
most secure place one would think, you know, it's their domain,
and that's been violated.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
You know, when I people have asked me, you know,
about being in robbery, and I say, if you can
solve and robbery, you can solve anything. And the best
detectives that I've ever met, the and YPD, came to
with they were given a robbery case and they ran

(32:02):
with it. You know, back then we didn't have the
luxury you the cameras. The cameras today an incredible piece
of investigative tool. I mean it's they have websites. They
dump your photo and they tell you who it is.
It's incredible. But so you're taking this complainant, you're calming
a complaining down. You're trying to get little two photos,

(32:24):
do a sketch and try and come up with a part.
And once you get that purp. Indeed, now you got
to try and go get them. Now you got them,
Now you've got to try and get a confession. There's
one group of people that will not speak to the police,

(32:45):
and that's the Albani. It's everybody else is fair game.
And I've met a lot of people said, oh no,
you wouldn't get me to flip. Okay, eventually you're gonna talk.
You're gonna want a cigarette, you're gonna want a cup
of coffee. Those are boggaining chips. I want to hear
your side of the events. You know, I had a

(33:06):
guy do a stick up in the parking garage. They
were doing them for a while and he you know,
he turned out to be he was outside. He was
the look at so I let him to look at
him kiss. I got him at the scene. By the
time we got done talking, he was in the car
with a gun. Yeah, taking the cars. So you if

(33:28):
you learn the robbery investigation, you can do anything. You
really can't.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Okay, you said something interesting in that, and I want
to touch on You mentioned the Albanians won't talk, and
there are a tough group of people that I know,
But why do you say them specifically that they won't
talk to the police.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
From a war torn country? Yeah, a criminal Albanian it's
not gonna talk. It would be very difficult to get
him to talk. Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
That's true. And if they can survive the Albanian police
over there and the prison's over there, they Yeah, exactly.
I was gonna say them, Russians, Bulgarians, they tend to
view American jails and American police the same way. It's
basically a cakewalk for them compared to what they're coming from.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Russians will go, everybody will go. My experience had been
Albanians there the only ones.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I don't talk. You got to a point in your
career where you know, and I always like asking this
to guys that really develop a lot of time in
one spot or one rank, where you know seven eight
nine years, ninety six, ninety seven ninety eight, you got
enough time in the bureau to where you could start
giving back the same way guys were teaching you. You
could teach other guys that are coming in and feeling
the same things you did when you first got the

(34:40):
shield in eighty eight. So it's a little bit of
a two poort question. I wanted to ask you where
what were the joys that you personally got out of
bringing guys up and mentoring them and gals too, if
that was the case, And who were the people that
you really saw blossom and take off to where you
look at them it's like, wow, man, I'm so glad
I got to work with this person and see them
as they were rising up.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Jimmy Samborski nineteenth anti crime. They brought him up into
the bureau and we wrapped our arms around him and
he became a great detective. Jimmy murta two star chief retired,
came over as a white Shield. We helped him. You know,

(35:20):
if a cop on patrol or a new detective came
out and wanted help, I would do anything for him.
I really would. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know, they'd
come up with something and they all they got to
do is ask, well, stop what we're doing to give

(35:41):
you a hint. It infuriate me when they call and
say we got the guy you're looking for, but we
don't want the cow. Well, you better, you better bring
him into you you know. If not, we're coming out
to get him, and we're gonna get you. Know. You
know you're always a lazy guys, but you know we
made it work.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
And that's and that's great to see, you know, and
especially to not gloss over your time in anti crime.
I and I know you do because you were actually
in the unit. And Billy Ryan was a street crime guy,
so I know he feels the same way. But I
missed that unit so much. That was a great unit
because I mean, the main close policing is a whole
different ball game.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Mike is the greatest, greatest unit I've ever been in.
And street crime, Billy Ryan, Mikey Diaz, Bob In Platana,
Dick Savage. We neck and neck with those guys in
the three four all the time. You know, you're in

(36:40):
Mark carm and you're around Toss some people, you're sitting
on something and all help breaks loose. It can break
loose fast, but it was good, It was great. Those
are great times.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I'm not mistaken Bobby, because if we're talking about the
same guy. I know Bobby, and he finished up as.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
An inspector, right, Yes, very deal. Friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Yes, I know Bobby and I are connected on LinkedIn.
I got to reach out to him.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
And he's a great show. Yeah, he's a good guy.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, you run, You're a very good run, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's that's the thing too that I looked at it,
and I wonder because I mean, for the most part,
from when I heard anti crime precinct level worked well
with street crime, which was citywide at least until Commissioner
Kelly disbanded it in two thousand and two. But man,
you know, at a at a precinct level, it's different.
And this is no knock on the city wide guys.
They come in, they get the briefing from the anti

(37:28):
crime guys at the precinct level, and they know how
to go from there. But you know those streets better
than anybody. You know who the players are, So it
almost becomes like a chess game if you are a
cat and mouse or any other illustration you want to use,
where the guys that are more business like in their
criminal endeavors. They know you're coming, They know the microscopes
on them. You know, they know there's not really too
many places for them to hide. It's just a matter

(37:50):
if you catch them in the act building that case,
so to speak, to where eventually when the time comes
and you do make that bust, now there's really nowhere
to hide, there's nowhere to go. You know, you got them.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah. When I when I was in Manhattan North Borough crime,
our primary focus was guns and robberies. And then we
were we have kids coming over from Jersey and they
go upstairs to the third floor of an apartment and
we would join up in the hallway. They'd come out.
We tossed them. Where'd you get that? Yeah, let's go back.

(38:23):
They're knock on the door. Were shoot the door and
we get drugs, guns And in the three o one
night I got a hand grenade and bring the hand
grenade up into the desk and put it on the desk.
It goes crazy. Now you got to get the bomb, squaddy, Yes,
you were the whole it. But you know, specific for

(38:44):
robbers and guns, that's what we were looking for. And
it got challenging some nights and some nights it was
easier to it all depends, you know, cocaine crack. Crack
exploded and the violence exploded with it. So crack dealers

(39:04):
were carrying guns and uh, I mean they had to
try and brandon, so you have street crime to have
us and and it got it got very busy before
it was very busy place.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
That was a while west back then, like we talked
about earlier. Because of that and I and I've often
talked about this with previous detectives that have been on.
Usually drugs and guns they go hand in hand. Where
you find some mens carrying a piece, they're usually they
usually got dope on them too. And usually more times
often than not, the guy that you just collared with
the dope is the guy that's dealing it. He's not
just a customer, he's the dealer nine.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Times so and you know, but the cycle was endless there.
And you know, yeah, had the Michael Keith incident. You know,
he didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
No, I know, Mike, he's get It's a great guy.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
I was working that night, you know. And then we
had Chris Hoban and yeah, you know Mike Musick yep,
Mike Musick.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
And you know, those were sad times, you know, we
you know, you remember those days and those are just
sad days, and you know you think about all the
kyles and then something like that goes bad and it
sticks with you, you know, forever.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
It definitely was Steve Virado and Jeff I see your questions.
I'm going to highlight them both respectively and the order
they came in momentarily. Didn't want you guys to think
I missed them, but I did. Well, now that you
bring up hope and and music. Of course, it's really
one of more tragic days in New York City public
safety history. Two cops, For those of you in the
audience that don't know, they were killed in separate incidents.

(40:41):
They weren't together as partners when they were killed. They
got a joint funeral, but they were both doing the
same thing, which was undercover by and bust and it
went wrong in both cases. And I think they were
shot and killed about an hour apart from each other. Yeah,
that's that was really one of the darker days the
NYPD's ever had. It's happened since it was different though
it was a police officer and the fireman Hector Diaz

(41:02):
and Kevin Kane were both killed in the same day.
Hector Diz died chasing the Purple and the Bronx prop
turned around. The shot of Kevin Kane was a fireman
got killed in a fire the same day. So it's
happened a few times before. But besides those two incidents,
were there any cop shootings or cop killings that you've
ever worked in your time as a detective?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Numerous? Yeah, yeah, I had that hasn't copped. They throw
the bucket off the roof up and brief John Williamson Williams,
oh man, you sack uh, it's been a lot. Yeah,
it's been a few.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, sorry to hear about that.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, it's unfortunate. Collective group of detectives that we'll give
it a test to try and find the kill us
and luckily we did.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
And and thank you for that. John Williamson. God, that
was that was It was some sort of a riot,
a protest over something that night he was getting back
in the R and P. It's October of ninety three
and somebody was in suspect for originally from the Dominican Republic,
that threw a roof. It hit the head. He was
getting back to the you and housing get him off

(42:15):
the plane.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
No, we we were called to assist with the investigation.
And I remember being in an apartment speaking to a
witness years later, my wife's son ana counting job and
when Hispanish society function and a woman staring at me
and it turns out to be her son was retired

(42:38):
corrections and she was the woman I was speaking to
in the apartment. She was a witness to it. And
all those years later, Wow, you know, you never know.
I never know how it goes. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Talking with the detective Mike Charles here in the Night
Thream and podcast Retired out of the NYPD, let's highlight
Steve's question earlier about side arms. He wanted to know
during the eighties what type of side arms where the
patrol officers using back then with the Smith and Weston
Smith and sixth shot.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, that was five shot off.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Two man and that changed when Scott Gidell got killed
in the Rockaways in eighty six. Yeah, yeah, tuk a while,
but that had to get changed after that. That was Yeah,
unfortunately paid with his life that night, but it brought
about much of the change. For those that don't know
the story, it's TOLDO. But Scott was in Scott and
his partner around patrol. They were in a shootout with

(43:32):
a couple of purpose Scott stopped to reload. He was
behind a car. One of these cowards snuck up behind
him and shot him point blank in the back of
the head and killed him. I think he was about
twenty two twenty three is very young. Yeah, And that
was the thing that made the Rank and Cliole say
speedloaders aren't going to work because what happened to him.
And so it took a while, but in the nineties

(43:52):
they went to the glocks. Jeff has a question here,
he says, ask Mike about the man who confessed to
murdering his wife after he gave him with sam which
and let him watch football. Odd while designs couldn't love
Uncle Max.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Uh, Jeff, he's a good man. Congratulations, Lieutenant Wanner. Yeah,
we're working one night, we get it. We get a
lot of calls from Police Commission's office. They said, listen
this morning, she's evolved the politically. Uh, my mother's missing.
Can you go to the Apartment's all right? So my
partner and I go up there, knocked on the door.

(44:32):
He's he's got pills in his hand. He's drinking. His
wife I don't know. I'm cleaning the apartment. I don't
know who she is. All right, Well, drives us to
a dumpster up in all of them, and she was
going here there's nothing. Yes, you go through the dumpster,
there's nothing. There's no body here. Back to the apartment.

(44:54):
This guy's in cardboard box business in Jersey. So we
go out to see his partner the next day. Wanta
says he's been acting very strange. Well, it's a matter
I don't know, he says. We're having lunch, he's drinking
a lot. He says he's got to do electrical work.
He needs to shovel. You know how cold it is.
This is like January, like now, it's below it's freezing.

(45:19):
It's below zerr. Let's go to the We go to
the to the factory with canvass and and a woman
says she sees him with a hand truck. Something tied
to the hand truck said, oh boy. She brings us
to a spot. We're in Bergen County, New Jersey. We

(45:39):
get there Cadavi dog. There E s u r E
s U Dan good digging. Guess what we find? There's mom. Okay,
So now his daughter is an attorney, so I've got
to contact the atturn. I gotta go get the fault.
I gotta lock him up. Right, he's very successful. Home
in home on the east Side, home with Florida. So

(46:04):
I go, I grab him. You know he's got a lawyer.
It's a Sunday, so you know, we got football arm
or process and a collar and you just want something
to eat. Somebody eat, want a drink, Get him a beer.
I said, look, it don't count. Whatever you say to
me don't count. Why'd you kill him? Why'd you do this?

(46:29):
H He says, yeah, I have a little with a
Jewish woman for forty years. I burst out laughing. I said,
now you gotta be kidding me. You gotta be kidding me. Well,
it turns out. We go to Die's office, we tell
the DA. They send a civilian from his temple into
Riikers to see him. He tells him the truth. His

(46:53):
wife wanted a divorce. They're fighting about dividing the real
estate assets. He's him pills. He grabs it a golf
club and he hits it with the golf club, he
kills it, ended up dying in prison.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
And that's the highlight of the shot. That's the clip
I'm putting out tomorrow. And it came because of your
nephew there in the chat submitting that question. So sometimes,
like I said, this is why I have such a
great audience. It's not even me asking this. The best
story of the show came courtesy of an audience member's question.
So thank you very much, Jeff for submitted that excuse me,
and congratulations to you evidently, and your promotion to lieutenant.

(47:34):
Is he on the PD or is he on the
f D Fire Department? Fire department? All right, good for you, Jeff,
Thank you very much. They safe out there, and that's
I mean, listen, at least he was candid. You know,
he wasn't in Albani. And you didn't have to work
hard to.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
Get the confession. Gave it right up.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Those are the things, man, You can't make it up.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Only in New York, No, it's it's only in New York.
You know. We had we had a double murderment schools
the Strip Club. They had me on A and E.
That's going to be every next year doing a show
ones and strip clubs. But it takes a tremendous amount
of effort. It's just not one detective, you know. I'd

(48:14):
love to say it was just me. It wasn't. I've
worked with some really good detectives and we will each
get a task, and we each go and do it,
and there's successful outcomes and we're very fortunate, very fortunate.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Oh yeah, listen, it's it takes a team, you know,
nobody does it alone. It's not like an episode of
Colombo or Sherlock Holmes. No, it takes sometimes two detectives
working it as partners. Sometimes it takes a whole squad.
But as long as the results are achieved, that's what
makes all that overtime worth it, you know, all all
that gum shoot, that's why they call detectives. And it's

(48:47):
a term of endearment. It's not meant as a mock
gum shoes because you guys are really out there, ye
beating up your shoes on the pavements of the Five
boroughs to figure out answers.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, you know, digging and counting and searching and trying
to come up with it.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
And it's a it's a thinking man's rank. And again
this is no knock on the other ranks and policing.
This is not me in any way looking to disrespect that,
but a detective. Listen, what's the job of a detective.
It says it in the title, to detect. So, yeah,
that involves using a lot of your mind. And you know,
the mind is oftentimes the greatest resource one can have.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
The more time you get in that rank, the more
you really get to do.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
More you learn, the more you learn, you know, you
learn ways to solve crimes. You know.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
I often like asking guys what the sweet spot of
their career was, but I don't have to ask you.
I mean, I'm not not to say you didn't enjoy patrol.
I'm sure you did. But nineteen eighty eight, right up
until the end in two thousand and one, that had
to be the snapshot. We're going to go back and
pick any timeframe from your career, those have to be
your best years that you really enjoyed coming to work
the most.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I love going to the three four. Yeah, that was
the best pinnacle. Yep. I wasn't getting credit for it,
but it was a good, good learning place. I couldn't
wrote the script better.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, absolutely. I mean I'll go as far as to
say that had it not been for the injury, it
was only a matter of time before he got first rate.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I think, Yeah, I was up and the three quarters came,
and I think the three quarters and I transformed a
lot of what I did as a detective into my business.
I'm very blessed. I've got a lot of good clients,
still getting good clients, and I'm very fortunate, you know.
But it's again using those detative skills.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Absolutely absolutely, And I think another layer to it as
well is if you can say, and this is the
case for a lot of people countrywide, you have a
background as a police officer, especially as a police investigator,
there's a lot of credence to it. But because of
the dynamics of New York City and the difficulties of
the investigations and oftentimes the media attention that comes with it,
especially if it's something in areas like Manhattan, for example,

(50:58):
you know, if you have somebody private sector that was
a New York City cop, and not just a New
York City cop, but a New York City detective, as
long as that individual retires in good standing, which ninety
nine point nine percent of them do, there's nothing they
can't do in the private sector. The world is their oyster,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Correct, I still have clients who work, clients of mind.
When I was a detective, I had cases with them. Yeah,
and you know, thirty years later, it's still calling, you know,
for situations, And I'm very blessed in that regard. You know,
keeps it interesting.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Yeah, when you look back, and we've talked a lot
about this before I get to the rapid fire. When
you look back on those eighteen years, and you squeezed
a lot into those eighteen years, I know you wanted
to go alonger, but you still had a heck of
a run. How would you define it in a sentence
or two if you had to.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Trying to do the right thing, trying to do the
right thing, if it was a poor complaining to was
a wealthy complaining it didn't just try to do the
right thing trying to solve the case. Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
That's really at the essence of every detective and police
officers operation doing the right thing, and they do it.
They do it so often. Well, the hour's flown by.
We're just about under an hour, about a few minutes
or so, but we'll go into the rapid fire questions. Now,
five hit and run questions for me. Five hit and
run answers to you. And you've been on it. You've
continued the shriek because it's made my job and incredibly easy.

(52:27):
A lot of the questions I had in this rabid
fire you've seemingly already answered, and you cover to them
pretty well, you know, So I'll ask some of them
instead of the all five the second one of the
rapid fire you already answered the first question I was
gonna ask you. It all started with the n SEOI
and the academy. So just to go back to that
for a second, how do you think that time at NSU,

(52:48):
even though it was six months and you ended up
doing eighteen years, how do you think those six months
defined your approach going forward to policing.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Very good question. I think it it got me to
realize to treat each complain it the same, and do
the right thing and have a good time, have a
good time in the job.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yeah, definitely is a good template, as was the case
with FTU that came later. But the NSU model is
often the one I hear about the most. When it
comes to being a detective, there can be some pressures
and frustrations, and especially when you're dealing with people not
just Albanians, that really want to give you a hard time.
So when it came to that aspect, what would you
say was the most frustrating aspect and how did you
learn to work around it?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
A lot of cases we did in the nineteenth came
direct from the Police Commission's office. Sorry, he would call
my lieutenant. Lieutenant would bring us in and say, this
is what we got us from the PC's office, and
we got to solve this. And then other bosses would
come in. And I have a lot of friends of
mine bosses on the job. And you know, I had

(53:57):
some bosses in the bureau when never detact it and
never they had their way of doing things. But you know,
we get different fractions and in some cases the media
would get involved. Now you got to deal with the media.
So and that was tricky, man, that was tricky. I
tell you a story. I had a guy set up

(54:19):
his apartment with a camera. He went away for the
weekend and his dormman ended up doing a bird simple
case right shows it's the video. Let the guy drive
out to Jersey, get him over to George Rushing Bridge,
put the cars on him, got him. The Deputy Commissioned
Public Informations of US course said look, we want to
walk them. We will walk. Purple said, okay, no problem,

(54:44):
Thank god, I did a d D five with that
DCPI Lieutenant so and so corpu. So the Fox five comes,
all the media comes, will walk him out, put him
in the car, drive the car around the corner. No problem.
The guy ends up suming in federal court. Right, the

(55:04):
city's lawyers say, your house is hanging in peril. If
you lose this case, you're gonna lose your house. I said, what,
I go through the fives, I got the five and
ordered me to do this, and we ended up putting
the case. Because of that, there is no more park walks.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Really, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
I had no idea. So that's why that's fine. Yep.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So let me imagine somebody, because I mean, there are
certain people that John Gotti loved those because he was
more time for the cameras.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, you never see that today.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's not your fault. But I mean I blamed the
person in Suji. Why did you have to rob us
of something so fun? It's fun to see these peoples.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
For them, they deserve it exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Well, well, what can you do? Well, I'm sure you
might have had this case, so I want to ask
if you didn't. It's fine because I was thinking one
that Commissioners Safer in particular. I had Commissioners Safer on
the show Ago. He was a very good guest.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
I miss him. He's a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
The Irene Silverman murder.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Absolutely you had that one nineteen cadd Tommy Hackett had.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
The case that was was another one where she was
missing for a while and they find she wasn't at
the bottom of the water, I believe, but they found Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, Tommy Hackett had that. Did a great job, did
a phenomenal job.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
It's Tommy still with us. I got to reach out.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Yeah, yeah, Tommy, he works in media. We can't come on.
He's a good detective, fair enough of course.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
And the final question, the rapid fire that I'll ask you,
is it usually I tie it to brand new officer,
because you spent so many years in the detective bureau.
If you can grab a brand spanking new detective or
a new white shield and the detective bureau who's on
the track to becoming a detective. What advice would you
give them.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
First day of meeting him?

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, you have to pull him to the side.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
As your marriage. Where'd you work before this? How did
you get here? No, hope, can me not be as answer?
How did you get it? I want to know everything
about it before we start this game. I got to
know everything about you. Yep. And I would ask him
those three questions depending on his answers. We're making progress

(57:22):
and I was very fortunate. I met a lot of
a lot of good detectives, male and female. Yeah, there
you go, all right?

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Yeah, this was This was straight into the point. That's
exactly how I like these shows. A lot of good
information covered are out well within the hour, of course.
So before I say goodbye to the audience for the
evening and promote our next episode, which will be this Friday,
any shout outs to anyone or anything that you want
to get.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
I just want to every police officer say prayer for
the suffer cop got injured last night. Yes, Chase terrible shape.
Anybody putting that uniform on today? Seriously, it's it's a
different job. It's it's a tough job and dance little
Suffic New York City. They got their handsful, and I

(58:09):
just want everybody to come home safe. There's so many
people I want to think that we can go on
for another hot I'm truly blessed. I'm very blessed to
have gotten this job. And I also a big shout
out to you for what's coming. So you're gonna have
a great career.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Thank you very much. I appreciate that, and I appreciate
Zeke Ravelli putting us in touch. Thanking Zeke. Great great,
absolutely great guy. Hopefully I'll have him on the show
sometime soon talk about his career, most of it in
emergency service of course, out in NY trucking down at
the field of Floyd Bennett. So a big shout out
to him and tall of you in the chat that
tuned in the Night's great to see all you support
in the program is always and yes, that Suffolk officer

(58:50):
injured last night. He had his cruiser intentionally rammed by
a suspect who was fleeing in a pursuit. It's in
the hospital, so please think of him, Please think of
his family as well as he bites to recover the
suspect is in custody and hopefully they throw the book
at him, amongst other things too. Coming up next to
the Mike, the New Event podcast, the Milestone Volume fifty,
speaking of the Emergency Service Unit of the e Men

(59:12):
inside the NYPD's Emergency Service. hereIt he came on housing
right before the merger, four months before they emerged. He
came out housing in January of nineteen ninety five, and
then up of course coming over with the merge and
ended up getting assigned to emergency in early two thousand
and one, working six truck, working nine truck. And that
for this volume fifty of the EMN inside the NYPD's

(59:33):
Emergency Service here at this Friday at six pm is
going to be Gary Grizzolia, which I know a lot
of you when I put out the promer earlier. We're
really excited about. So looking forward to talking with him.
And after that we'll see, as you guys know, Academy's
coming up soon. I don't know when exactly, but we'll
play it by ear from here and we'll see if
we can continue to turn out episodes. If not, then
Friday maybe the last show for a while. But either way,

(59:54):
thank you for all the support around that you continue
to give us, both on YouTube and of course on
the audio side too. I appreciate each and everyone for
your continued supporting kindness towards myself and producer Victor. For
those of you listening on the audio side for tonight's
outro Seawan outro song I should say sorry about that,
from their two thousand album Stiff Upper Lit, a c
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(01:00:14):
meantime on behalf of a retired NYP detective Mike Charles
and producer Victor, I am Mike Cologne, and we will say.

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