Episode 361: Crime Reporter Lauren Conlin

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non air personality and podcaster who's built a unique voice
in entertainment, reporting unfiltered, direct and sharp. Whether she's on
the red carpet, interviewing a list talent, or diving into
the details of a high profile criminal case, she brings a
refreshing honesty that cuts through the noise. She's covered premieres,
film festivals, and true crime stories while also making time
for real conversations that go beyond the glamour. And that

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here the prerecord edition that Mike the new Haven Podcast
is reporter and podcaster Lauren Conlin. Lauren, welcome, How are
you hi?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Thank you so much. That was such a nice intro.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Oh, you're quite welcome. So before we dive into everything
involving your career, just take me through where you grew
up and did you get bit by the journalist bug
early on?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yes, I grew up in New Hampshire, a small town
outside of Manchester. Actually, and it's funny, I did get
bit by this reporter bug. Actually, in fifth grade. I
was recently home at my parents' house and I found
this letter from one of my teachers that they were,

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you know, inviting me and asking my parents if I
could be part of this fifth grade reporting club. But
what's funny is that I was also very much into
musical theater, so I had to actually defer this reporter
gig in fifth grade until I was finished with this
one musical. And you know, that seemed to be the
sort of push pull for the first X many years

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of my life. I ended up going the route of
theater into college, and I'm minored in journalism and communications.
And then after college I thought of was a little
bit wishy washy and sort of came back to my
journalistic roots pretty late. Actually, I would say, I mean,

(04:13):
I don't want to give my age away, but yes,
I would say I came back to my journalistic roots
after I had my children.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Well it's never too late. And you ended up kind
of marrying the two, as we'll talk about. Our guest
was Lauren Conlin here in the Mike dinw Even podcast,
because was going to say it went to Mariast for
communications and media stings. Marrymount rather not marriage I apologize.
It was it n YU for arts and entertainment, I
believe n YU or was it elsewhere?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Where did you go for arts and entertainment? Specific?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
So I went to Marymount. That was my undergrad So
mary Mount right in Manhattan.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I started with a musical theater major and then I
was like, oh, I don't know about this, and I
had a minor and communications and journalism, and uh, you know,
I did the whole kind of fib on your resume,
sort of swapped the two, and you know it. I
did a couple internships at CBS and at Fox five actually,

(05:07):
and you know, I also realized that doing theater in
New York, you're very much a small fish and this
big bond and it was the opposite in New Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So, you know, I actually, and this is so.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Random, I ended up kind of working in marketing after college,
after Fox and CBS, and I was like, no to theater,
you know. And also I wasn't ready, I guess, in
my twenties to have this horrible news schedule. I mean,
at Fox they all had offered me this position where
it was like I think it was like four in
the morning to you know, maybe noon or some some

(05:44):
shift like that, and it was so bad. It was
like no money, and I was like, oh man, I
don't think I want to do this. So I kind
of was like, let me just get a marketing job
that I kind of saw, you know, off some job
website for the time being, and I did that for
a while again until I had my children, and then
I was like, no, I am going back to reporting.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, I started.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Podcasting, and I guess it's yeah, it's it's all been
wonderful from there, so I can't imagine doing anything else
besides what I'm doing now. But also I feel like,
you know, God has a plan for everyone. I know
that sounds cliche.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Oh no, I believe in that.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Yeah, And so maybe, yeah, there's a reason that I
did start reporting and podcasting sort of later in life.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't know. And listen, like I said, never too late.
But I want to go back to that for a second,
because once you have kids. It's funny. I don't have
children on my own, but everyone that I know, all
my friends that do, tell me that your perspective changes
because there's some there's something greater than you, and you
feel so responsible especially as a mom, I imagine, and
my mom mentions that all the time as well, so
you know, but then again, it is tough wearing both hats,

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first as a mother and then going back and trying
to change careers and get into something that you really love.
So imagine had a great support system and you still do.
But nevertheless, I'll ask you, how did you juggle it,
especially since you know, kids change everything.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, I mean it's still it's still a juggle. But
I think.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
At that point, I, you know, I had my kids
and going into an office full time, you know, for
for marketing. I knew I didn't that wasn't my passion anyway,
and I did want some flexibility. So uh, you know,
my brother, he he had been working at New York
One I think it was maybe it was probably dot

(07:33):
Com one of the two, but he had this relationship
with George Whipple from New York One, you know, with
the big bushy eyebrows, and so George needed a he
needed like a basically a red carpet producer because New
York One wasn't providing him with one at the time,
so he was going to pay out a pocket for one,
and my brother was like, oh, Lauren, you should do

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it because you you know, you do have a background
in this somewhat your passionate about it, and you wanted
the flexibility of still being with your kids and you
know whatever. So I started doing that with George, and
it was it was easy at first because I did
have this this flexibility of you know, only kind of
working at night or afternoons, so that was nice. And

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then as my kids, you know, got older, and I
was doing that for about a year, I realized that
I wanted to do more than just sort of produce
for George and sort of be you know, after a while,
he would just kind of do the stand ups and
hand me the microphone, and I was doing the Red
Carpet interviews and they would sort of edit it to
make it, you know, like George did it, and which

(08:39):
is very normal. A lot of producers do that on
the Red Carpet. But I wanted more. So I decided
to start my own entertainment podcast and continue to do
the Red Carpet stuff as well, for George and then
for myself. And it was, you know, it was great
because again it was more disability than I had ever had,

(09:02):
and so I did you know, I had my kids
that I could focus on, and then I also had
this this outlet and my passion. But you know, slowly,
and you mentioned now I really do focus more so
on criminal cases and trials and a lot of them
involving celebrities. But that I sort of pivoted because you know,

(09:22):
you get to a point. I guess on on the
red carpet, and you know, I didn't know I was
gonna to get to this point.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
But also just.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Covering entertainment and films and celebrities, I mean, it gets
boring and it gets to be this sort of like
it's just a lot of ass buck kissing. Excuse me
after a while, and you know, it's just that that
wasn't that wasn't me. I felt guilty, uh, you know,
talking to an actor about this movie I didn't like

(09:50):
and I was you know, I would say, oh, yeah,
I liked it fine, and it was not I wasn't
being honest with myself.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Or with them.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
And and I had always had this interest in crime
and and criminal cases, and so I just kind of.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Got to work on that as well.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And I sort of have pivoted since then, and I
really enjoy.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It as we'll cover momentarily because I was gonna ask,
you know, again, I see so many and there's some
entertainment reporters who I know, and I'm not putting them
down any way, but I'd be lying if I didn't
wonder when I see them post a highlight clip of
their interview with some a lister, did you really love
that project? There's no way you can love every project
you're possibly seeing. Some of them have got to be
pure dog crap. So you know, again, putting on that facade,

(10:33):
it's not easy. And plus here's the other layer to
it too. And again I'm not knocking entertainment reporters at all.
You know, it's very hard to stand out in the
red carpet. These celebrities have been there, done that, And
what question can you ask them they haven't already answered
some variation of thousands of times over.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, it's not I mean, yes, but it's not just that.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
It's also I mean, you can be invited on a
red carpet, and I you know, I always if I
didn't one with George, I would get a better spot, right,
I'd sort of either be in the middle or towards
the front. And then when I sort of did my
own podcast, and I you know, I was building my
own brand. I used my relationships to get on the carpet.

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But then it's a whole different ballgame because every celebrity
is with their PR person, and I mean they're looking
down at who you're with, and if they've never heard
of your outlet, they're kind of like, why should we
talk to you?

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I mean at this point, I personally think that times
have changed, and I haven't done a red carpet in
a while, but I think that you know, somebody who
maybe follows me on TikTok or my YouTube, I think
I could get their movie or their celebrity more exposure
than like CBS two because I don't think as many
people watch anymore. But the challenge was trying to get

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them to pay attention to you stop, so you could
ask them a couple questions and you know, get your
your money shot right there. And I'm super aggressive of
I have zero shame. I will say I have chased people. Yeah,
I don't give it a crud crap whatever. I know, Mike,
you wore me not to swear. I'm like, I can
do it. And now I'm like body mounth sorry, but yeah,

(12:12):
I don't care. I was always pretty good about, you know,
running to get whoever. And yeah, it wasn't embarrassing at times, definitely,
And and did I kind of get snapped at sometimes?
Oh yeah, but you know, it is what it is,
and you have to try. If you don't try, then
you won't know.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, you know, So tell me about Shrek three, you know.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
So yeah, I think the last the last red car.
But I did.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
It was probably a few months ago, right before the
Diddy trial, and I remember all I didn't even care
about the movie. I went so I could get sound
bites from some of these people. I think it was
like Gordon Hayward. He was I think he plays.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
In the NBA. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, so I don't know sports. I don't know any
about him. And I was like, so, I'm like, have
you ever been to a Diddy party? And then the
person next to me was like, he's Mormon. That was
a horrible question. I was like, shut up, I don't whatever,
Like you know, I was like, I'm just starting to
get soundbites here. So yeah, that's what you gotta do.
You gotta know what you're there for at this point,

(13:19):
and I still promoted the movie. I was, you know,
I'll do them a solid. I won't just you know,
I won't be a jerk.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Shout out to Gordon Hayward who used to torture my
next when he was on the Celtics regularly. So I'm
very happy he's not on the Celtics anymore. Yeah, die
Ard sports fan. Here in the Mike the Maven podcast.
Our guest for this prerecorded episode is Lauren Conlin. I'm
recording this on Wednesday, August six. You're gonna hear this Wednesday,
August thirteenth, the week to follow. So I guess we'll
just jump right into it because you mentioned it was

(13:48):
your passion and diving into some of these trous I mean,
you mentioned Diddy, so we'll start there, these allegations, and
really his troubles go all the way back to the
early nineties. He always for the For the record, for
those of you who don't know, is nickname Puffy came
from childhood because he would get so angry. Evidently his
face would puff up, and tends to name Puff Daddy

(14:08):
or Puffy as he was originally No. Nineteen ninety one,
he illegally puts a concert together, stampede happens, multiple people
are killed in that, and that just started a cycle.
That's what we do know about with him leading to
everything today. But I never thought, because unfortunately people in Hollywood,
at least up until recently, seen me get away with everything,
they would come to light like that. So being at

(14:30):
the forefront of covering that, especially after all these disgusting
allegations of abuse and so much more coming out, what
was it like? And just tell me about trying to
dig up information on a guy that is kind of
an open secret for years. Unfortunately he's a monster.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Well, I don't know if you're going to be expecting
the answer I'm about to give you, but I think
that what happened before his criminal federal trial here is
the media really tainted the court of public opinion with
these wild civil suits.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Lil Rod Jones.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I mean, really, Cassie's civil suit is one thing, but
you know which which really also kicked off the investigation
into Sean Komb's as well as Lil Rod Jones.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
But I mean civil suits.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
You know, you can you can accuse anybody of anything,
You can write whatever you want in those and it's
it's not going to be It's not going to be
proven either way until it gets into a courtroom, and
these civil suits are public, so we can read all
of these allegations, we can believe them, we can spread

(15:39):
all of all of the facts of these lawsuits as
we please. And I think that's what happened. So going
into the Ditty trial, I think many of us were
expecting to hear about miners, to hear about drugs and
the baby oil, Like what is the point of this
baby oil that we're hearing so much about? And there
there were rumors there was GHB the baby oil, and

(16:01):
you know, we thought that Diddy was gay and we
were going to.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Hear more about that. It just wasn't. It wasn't like that.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
So what we heard inside that courtroom, it was it
was not a racketeering trial, in my opinion, and clearly,
you know, the jury didn't see it that way. With
the sex trafficking, I mean that that is is tough.
I personally didn't see how Jane Doe was was sex trafficked.

(16:28):
I truly didn't. I think Cassie could have gone either way.
But the evidence that was presented to the jury, really
showed that he was in a relationship with these two women,
and he thought these hotel nights these fos. I mean,
he thought this was something that he was doing with
his significant other. He I don't personally think that he

(16:51):
had this men's raya the guilty mind, that he was
forcing them or coercing them.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
And and at.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Certain points in the trial, you know, his lawyer would say,
you know, your honor, I just don't think promised quality
time counts as fraud or or coercion here, you know,
like he would say to Jane Doe, you know, we'll
do this hotel night and then I'll take you to
this island off the coast in Miami.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
They would never go. And the government was using that as.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
You know, force or coercion or fraud, and it was
kind of interesting because they would just say, this is
regular couple's drama. I think the whole thing was that
we saw this horrific video of him beating Cassie in
twenty sixteen, that right there as aggravated assault. You could
also consider, you know, obviously the hotel bribe as a

(17:43):
bribery charge at a state level. I think that if
that had gone to trial in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen.
Within the statute of limitations, he would have been found
guilty and we wouldn't be here. But I just I
had a really hard time with what I was hearing
Sometimes during the trial. I was shocked at some of

(18:03):
these witnesses for the government, the assistance, even the mail assistants,
who would just kind of be like, Didny was mean
to me?

Speaker 2 (18:11):
He yelled at me.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
He looked over my shoulder when I was and I'm like, what,
why are you here? Like, you know, and they would
even kind of give him a head off, like they
still respected him. They would talk about how how much
they learned from it. It was just bizarre. I was
just like, of all the people, and I know that
the I think it was like two thousand and six
to twenty twenty four or something like that or the present,

(18:33):
so they couldn't go too far back.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
But I was confused by some of it.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
But with that being said, you know, I'm not sitting
here saying that he's a good guy or anything.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like that or not at all.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, Yeah, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I'm just saying I don't I just didn't think the
trial was going to be that.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
I guess no.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Fair point because my whole thought process with it. It
is funny when the verdict came down. I work as
a media guy for one of the fire departments here
can and me and my lieutenant saw it come across
the street on Fox and the first thing one of
my lieutenants said was, you know, do you think he
was overcharged? And there were some things where, you know,
sometimes I go back to the oj trial, the glove
don't fit, you must have quit. It was kind of

(19:13):
the same thing here where. Don't get me wrong, there
were some some troubling things in there, the video of
him assaulting Cassie being one of them. But I think
the District Attorney's office might have overshot, you know, and
had they not, had they just charged for what it
was as opposed to Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Yeah, I mean, well, Damian Williams, he was the one that,
you know, that first announced this case and how they
were prosecuting it. And Maureen Komi took over the case,
and you know, Maureen Komy actually was the one that
added the two Man Act violation charges. I think it
was two or three months before this went to trial,

(19:52):
and those were the two convictions. Those are the only
convictions that they got. And so I think that was
smart of her, I guess, And that's probably because she
was looking through all the evidence through Cassie's laptop all
this stuff, and those charges right there, I think those
were the ones that were the most tangible. Where you
saw phone records, airline records, you know, correspondences between the

(20:16):
quote unquote escorts and Diddy, Cassie Jane Doe. I think
those you know that Maureen call MEI saw that and
she was like, oh yeah, this is like.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
A sure thing right here. So she was the one.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
That added those charges last minute, and you know she,
I guess she did the best she could with what
she had. But if I were her, I don't know,
I maybe would have made some adjustments to to that case.
But yeah, and you know what, I think that the
US Attorney's Office fields the same way or the Southern District,

(20:49):
because obviously she's no longer in her position there.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah, no kind of ruined at least your time being ruined.
Her career kind of makes her again a different trial,
different circumstances, but it makes her eras Marshall Clark to
a degree, really a lot of the yeah, you know,
which is not a title that you want. But nevertheless, unfortunately,
for different reasons, kind of happened in her case. So nevertheless,
you know, I'll go back to just kind of merging
the two, especially as the curtain gets lifted and a

(21:13):
lot of the absurdities of Hollywood these days. You mentioned
it was always a passion of yours, and of course
you've channeled that passion to what you're doing now. Hearing
some of this stuff in court, though it is, it
can be disturbing, you know, because again it's just the
ugliness of human nature. And I always like asking reporters
that cover your type of stories, is how do you
just put that channel up to protect your own psyche,

(21:35):
because at the end of the day, it is a job.
But you know, you're human. You're hearing some pretty awful stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely hard. I think I
was very exhausted during the Diddy trial, but for other reasons.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I mean that trial, you yes.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
We did have to see the video a lot, the
beat down video, which for me, it never got easier.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
And I would look at the jury.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
And I'm like, man, they don't Seema is by it anymore.
But I still just had such a hard time watching it.
But I think with that trial, it was just we
had to hear and read so many explicit sexual text
messages between Diddy and his partners that it was just

(22:18):
too much. I was just so uncomfortable, and I was like,
this needs to end.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I'm not even I'm not even prude. I really
I can handle it.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
I swear I normally don't care, but this was just
on another level.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Mic. I just hope I never have to see that again.
But you know, there was there was one or there.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Is one case out of Kansas and Oklahoma and I
was contracting or I was doing some work for a
company back in December when this one pre trial hearing
was happening in Kansas, or I'm sorry it was Oklahoma.
But the mothers that were murdered, it was a double murder.
They were from Kansas. It's known as the can This

(23:00):
Mom's Case, But that one, that one took it out
of me. I was I went to the pre trial
hearing by myself, and I did have to drive every
day from Kansas to Oklahoma. It was just such a
rural area that was very quiet, and these two mothers
were essentially murdered by five defendants who called themselves God's misfits.

(23:25):
And it's a terrifying story, a terrifying case that still
they just set a trial date actually for next June.
But essentially, you know, during a pre trial hearing, the
judge has to ensure that there is enough evidence, enough,
you know, just basically that this case is is good
enough to go to trial. And so they gave one

(23:47):
of the defendants who admitted to being the one that
killed one of the women.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
They gave were cutting him a deal.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
They were saying, you know, death is off the table
if you testify as to what happened. And I was
in the courtroom and you know, as press, you're really
supposed to be stonefaced, just take your notes, look down,
do your thing. But I found myself, I mean my
eyes were watering when he was talking. I was not okay.

(24:15):
And the families are behind me and they were gasping,
they were screaming. I'm telling you, I was like, okay, this,
I don't know what to do right now. And then
I had to go back to this like oh if
this best Western in the middle of nowhere, Kansas by
myself after hearing that and that's.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
When I was like, okay, I don't know what to
do right now. So that was tough.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I will say that was one of the hardest things
to cover, and I don't know how I got through it.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I think it was just a lot of prayer.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
It was a lot of stupid TikTok videos that were dumb,
you know, like just scrolling doom, scrolling brain rot videos
that sort of helped get my mind off of it.
But I didn't sleep a wink and my body was
all out of way. I mean, this is TMI, but
I literally I got like two periods that month.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Okay. I was like, this is not normal, this is
so messed up.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
So luckily I haven't Sorry, your listeners are probably like,
shut up, we don't need to hear that. But anyway,
because that's what happens, it does affect you sometimes. But yeah,
I haven't experienced anything like that in a long time,
obviously since December, thank goodness. But gosh, and if that
was me who really didn't have any connections to that case,

(25:30):
I can't imagine that the families, you know, and it was, Yeah,
it's awful.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
So my listeners know my background, they know I grew
up as the only boy in a household full of women,
which is a running joke on this program. So you
saying that is without even. It's par for the course.
If there's ever a guy that understands this, Yeah, you're fine.
We're talking with Lauren Kylin here in the Like the
New Even podcast of Pop Crime TV. She's covered many

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high profile criminal cases, mostly involving select although that one
did not. But back to your career for a second
before we continue with these cases, because it's a career
worth chronically. Of course, you're everywhere on social media. You know,
you've been able to really make a name for yourself,
which is something that I've been trying to do here.
We've done well for ourselves. But I look at you.
When I was talking about this with Tom Smith the
other day, I'm like I mentioned, I wanted to get

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to his level. I want to get to your level too.
Being able to network, being able to establish these connections
is not easy, even if you've been someone like yourself
who has been in the business a relatively long time.
But you're able to make these appearances on these outlets,
You're able to gain such a good following on social
media covering a topic that a lot of people do,
but you stand out. So what helps you stand out?

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And what's been the key in establishing these very valuable
connections to get your name out there?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (26:43):
I mean, it's so nice to hear you say that,
because I don't think anybody ever.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Feels you know.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I know myself, I don't feel like I am where
I want to be at all. So I appreciate you
saying that. So just know that it never gets better.
You always want more. You always feel like you're not
doing enough or you're not good enough or so I
do appreciate you saying that. But for me, I think
it just goes kind of back to what I said

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on the Red Carpet.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
You just you have to try.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
And there's been so many times where I've said, like, Okay,
if I reach out to this person, is this going
to sound desperate or am.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I gonna you know?

Speaker 3 (27:21):
And I'm like, you know what, whatever, just do it.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
And I usually end up, you know, reaching out. I do.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I think that it probably was maybe during during the
pandemic that I was just sending so many emails. I
was just finding anyone and everyone to sort of reach
out to to say hey, I'm available to talk about xyz.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
This is my podcast, this is what I do.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Because I did, I wanted to be everywhere I wanted,
you know, I wanted to tap into other people's audiences.
So I would just Google, I would guess, email else,
I would, you know, send them out. And I mean
to a degree, I guess. I still I don't know
if I necessarily do as much outreach. I guess I
take that back. It's more about like finding the story.

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I think, finding what people want to hear about when
it comes to that story. And also, you know, how
do you help the person that could possibly be involved
in that story and not not seem like you're trying
to capitalize off somebody's grief or somebody's you know, a misfortune.

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I think all of that comes into play. You just
you have to be aggressive but sensitive. You have to
you have to know the market, you have to know
your audience, different audiences, and you have to bring something special.
I think you have to bring something different. And whether
or not that's knowledge, I guess, or just sort of

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like a different take or a different personality. I mean,
I think I think that is just sort of you
know what it is, I don't think there's any exact recipe,
I guess, but I do think that you just you
have to try, and you have to be yourself. And
I think that people can see when someone is being

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genuine and honest or when they don't really care. And
I hope that people can see that I actually do care.
I actually you know what I mean, Like I don't.
I will choose not to cover certain things even though
I understand how quote unquote clickable that could be, just
because it feels icky. So I think it's like, yeah,

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it's kind of just a mix of everything.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
I think the media landscape has changed so much now
where there's a niche for everybody, which is nice, like,
for example, you know, as we've talked about off air
with this program, everybody has a podcast these days. This
program in particular, although we do sports interviews on occasion
and media interviews like today, it's primarily a first responder show.
So okay, so how can we make this a niche
for first responders to come on and tell their stories?

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And it's being able, I guess to. And it's funny
because I also have a consulting company where I help
people with this very thing, where people ask me, well,
what's behind a podcast I want to start? When I'm like,
you have to make it a reflection of you. What
are your interest what do you like? It's evident in
our conversation thus far, the half hours flown by that
you love what you do, even with all the frustrations
that can come with like any job or any pressures

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it can come with, like any job, you love talking
about it, you've litten up or you've litten up. Yeah,
we'll go with that.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, that's a weird one.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, light up when we've talked about it so far.
So it's the same thing. I think if you could
find what you're passionate about and try to channel it,
there's a pathway. There's definitely a pathway, and you've definitely
found your pathway.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Well, thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, I you know, one day, I actually really hope
that I can sort of write a book about everything.
I also, I'm really interested, and I don't I don't
know if anyone else would be interested. But I've always
thought about just writing a you know, a faith slash
crime book.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And I know that sounds weird.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I guess I'm I'm kind of saying it out loud
for the first time here really, But I think, you know,
as someone that's a Christian, you know, I go to
church and I pray a lot, and I just you know,
I try to live my life as a good person.
I think it's tough to not sort of question God
in some of these cases. So I know that the
Kansas mom's case, I would just pray and pray, and

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I'm just like, why would this happen? What is the
point of this? And I think it would just be
very interesting to explore in a book, tapping into some experts,
you know, just people that study theology, people that who
have no connection to the crime world that possibly have
inside also family members how they cope and how you know,

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family members of loved ones who've been slain, if they
are Christian, how do you cope? How do you go
back to God? How do you you know, how do
you keep your faith throughout all of this? So that's
also something that I kind of want to explore one day.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Oh yeah, you listen, And the more you tap into it,
I think the better it is. Because again as we
go back, I go back rather to what I mentioned earlier,
it's all in how you channel it. Writing for me
is very cathartic and therapeutic for the exact same reason.
You can kind of get everything out that you're feeling.
I know, listen, I think a lot of people will
definitely read a project like that. So just moving ahead
to a couple of other trials, you know, again kind

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of with the same theme. I'll get to Coburger in
a second, because you talked about that one at length
as well, and that one just wrapped up the Epstein saga,
and it's nothing that's going to be solved here on
this forum or any other forum for quite a while.
It's still ongoing. There's a lot we know, but I
think what's captivating the public right now, besides the major
implications of who's involved and so on and so forth,

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is what we don't know. And it's still a sprawling,
unraveling mystery. There's the issue about the files. Are they
going to be public? Are they not going to be public?
You had a hand in covering that a little bit. Unfortunately,
you know, the individual at the center of this is debt.
How he died is also a mystery in and of itself.
So you know, I think I consider myself to a
degree to be reporter as well. I think the frustrating

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thing is when you don't have the answer, right, it's
kind of at the core of journalism find the answer.
And there's not a lot of answers here. So just
tell me about this case and what you've learned so
far and what captivates you about it.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, I think at this point I don't want to
say I'm done.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
But I don't.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
And look, I voted for Trump, Okay, I just don't
anything they say about this case right now.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I don't believe them. I don't care.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I think that somebody already destroyed the probably the most
important files already when they said.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh, there's nothing to see here, there's there's no evidence
of a list of blackmail. Yeah, he didn't, he wasn't murdered,
he killed.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
I'm just like, okay, after that whole thing, and after
you know, Bondie's horrific Phase one failure, I mean, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I'm truly done. I don't believe them.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I think that Trump's gas lighting is just beyond at
this point. And yeah, like you know, when he answers
questions like you, you're still asking about this when there's
so much you know, going on and this and that. Yes,
I understand what he's saying. You're you're right, but you
guys brought it up. You this administration sat there after

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you know, I mean, how many how many young people
felt lied to right during COVID by the Biden administration
when you know there's schools were set down, this and that.
They wanted the Trump administration to come in and stop
the lying. They want transparency, We want transparency, right, And I.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Just I feel like it.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
They came in here and said, oh, you know, there
there's no more deep state because you know there's there's
not going to be any more secrets. Well, yeah, that's
not true. You guys right now are the deep state?
The fact that you are deflecting beyond belief at this point.
Now we're onto Gillane and now we're oh, now we're
doing these subpoenas whatever. Oh I think this morning, I

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saw a headline, Oh, the DOJ confirms that Trump is
not in the It's like, okay, sure, like, how do
you expect us to believe this now? And look, I
don't I don't necessarily think Trump was you know, involved
with minors and this and that, but yeah, he was
friendly with Epstein, as was tolf of the world.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I mean, you look at some of these civil.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
Suits, and you look at the US, the US Virgin
Islands their investigation into Epstein. I mean, he was unequivocally
connected to some of the most powerful people in the world.
That that's just a fact. So, uh, however they want
to spin this, that's fine. I don't believe you, guys.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'm done. You had cash.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Batala, Dan Bongino coming out saying, yep, we support this,
he didn't he didn't commit suicide, blah blah blah, and then,
like I think it was two weeks ago, Dan Bongino's like,
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I don't believe it. And I'm just like, well, make
up your mind, guys, make up your mind. So I'm
so sick of it.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Mike, I'm just like, it's it's just it's offensive to
me at this point. It's so offensive. And you know,
I've interviewed Gilaine's Appellet lawyer Arthur Idalla. I just had
Rudy Giuliani on my live stream where I'm asking him
about Trump and yeah, and he's saying, like, you know,
I mean, they were kind of friendly, but then Trump
kicked him out of mar A Lago, like actually had

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his picture on the wall saying, don't let this guy
in here because he's talking to my messuses after the
massages and they were of age, but he was just
trying to get them to do sexual favors for him.
And look, Gilaine, I mean, from what I have heard
from very credible sources connected to her, she is a

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horrible human being.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Does she hold the key?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, she holds the key here? Should she get a pardon? No?
But should other people be locked up? HELLI heck yes? Sorry?
You know so?

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Yeah, I'm just like God, you had to get me
started on that. I get so angry at this point.
I don't believe anything they're saying, and I don't care.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
If they want to protect everybody, then go ahead and
protect whoever you're protecting.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
But I don't believe you guys anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I always go back to this line, and viewers have
heard me quote it before. One of my favorite bands
is Jane's Addiction. They have a song called the Ted
Just Admitted about Ted Bundy came out in their first
album and the opening line that I always go back
to of that song is camera's got them images, cameras
got them all, nothing shocking. And the reason why that
line sticks with me is I think that's the attitude
of most people these days. They're so desensitized to it

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because they've heard about it and it's everywhere. Like we
talked about social media, TikTok, Instagram, everybody's got an opinion
on different podcasts as well. That people just kind of emotionally,
they'll stay attached to it for a little bit. Most
of the public has moved on. I'm not saying it's right,
but they just they have, you know, because the next
big scandal, the next big story is seemingly always around
the corner. And I guess that's kind of the mentality

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here of most of society unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Sure, but I mean, you know, and I just I
don't know if pinning this on the Clinton's is the
smartest thing to do, because yeah, I think they're heavily involved,
or they were heavily involved with with Epstein, but again,
I think other people were as well, So.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
I just again, I just go back to like, I
just don't believe them anymore, so anything out of their
mouth right now I'm kind of like, why should I
believe you now? You guys are now doing you know
what I mean, like you said this, and yeah, it's
just stupid.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Last thing on that before we move on to other
things that you've covered, most notably coburger recently, there is
the theory Tom and Dan just had on a guest
who was a former CIA analyst, and there was a
theory that somehow mister Epste may have been connected as
some sort of a spy agent free to the massage
out or the CIA. And we don't know, and again,
this is not a conspiracy podcast at all, but what

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stock do you put into that, if anything? As a reporter,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
I mean, we know Gilaane's father was Massad, we know
that Epstein seemingly became a billionaire overnight, yeah, for no
reason when he was formerly a teacher. But is that
connected to you know, to Israel?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I don't know. It's like I can't I don't know.
I don't have any evidence.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
Around that claim except for the fact that it's just
let's add it to the list of just oddities about
this guy. So I think at this point anything is possible.
I don't put anything past Epstein, past Gilane.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
I mean, did you see Les Wexner.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I think he just bought Obama's house in Martha's Vineyard.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I'm pretty sure. I just saw the headline and I
was just thinking, you know, chef not included, just thinking normal.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
But yeah, so you know, it's kind of just like,
I don't know. I don't put anything past anyone when
it comes to that orbit, but it's like, I just
don't have the proof to be like, yes, I.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Believe it, you know, right, And for those of you
listening to this or will listen to this later, as
you know, we're not conspiratorial here. We just like to
go over the aspects of these cases because they are
the public eye when we have crime reporters on. So
that's all. I'm not suggesting anything either. I have to
put this disclaimer out there either way or the other,
simply just asking out of genuine curiosity, because most people

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are curious about these sort of things. Coburger was heartbreaking,
not for him obviously, but just because these victims truly
again talk about being as defenseless as you could possibly be.
They were sleeping, they were sleeping, and I don't know,
you know what the connection if any was to where
they were neighbors at some point, or at least they

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lived in the same vicinity of each other. It struck
me as very random. And what's even worse this is
that in his plea deal which he took to avoid
the death penalty, is that he didn't have to disclose
why he did it. So the only person you talked
about Gilaine holding the key in that instance, he holds
the key and he'll hold it until the day he dies.
I think, if you know, if you're a family member,

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that's heartbreaking, because to lose someone that way is horrible enough,
but to not even know why, and to have that
constant question hanging in your head, that's a death set
in cit it of itself.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Well, you know, yes and no.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
I think that number one, I mean, who knows if
this guy is actually believable. Who knows if he would
actually tell the truth. That's number one. Number two, what
answer is he going to give these families that would
make them feel better? I don't think any type of answer.
I think, if anything, it might make them feel worse

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because they would sort of realize how senseless it was.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
And I think, you know, my theory behind why he.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Did what he did, or his motive or what he was,
you know, going for. I do think his target was
Mattie Mogan. I think that he went to the restaurant
that she worked at. He was a vegan, they had
vegan food there.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
He went to Washington State, which you know was fairly
close by, so driving.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Distance to Idaho.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
And yeah, I think that when he went to the
house that night, I don't think he was expecting Kaylee
than Solve to be in bed with Maddie. So I
think that through his plan, I think that he went
to grape and murder Maddie and Kaylee was there and he,
you know, he was angry and Kaylee. They they kind

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of said Kaylee fought extremely hard. She had more damage
done to her body than others. And I think that's
because of the way she fought and possibly because he
was just so angry. But you know, Xanna her NODL,
she wasn't sleeping. I mean, she she was awake. She
was on TikTok. I think at four am she had

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a door dash delivery commentt like four twelve. They put
the murders between four twenty and four point fifty.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I believe. And I mean, I'll just say it.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
The toxicology reports haven't come out yet, but come on, Mike,
these kids were they.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Were most likely wasted.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
And I'm not saying that in any way to shame them,
not at all. You know, this is the University of Idaho.
These this is what kids do on the weekends. They
were having fun, they were being college kids. Even Chapan.
He had no defensive wounds, okay none. That means this
poor kid was just passed out. He was just passed out.

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So I don't you know, I think that Brian Coberger
truly he is or he.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Was trying to be a serial killer.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
And I think that if he wasn't stopped, he would
have kept going. And I think that also You've got
the two living roommates, Bethany and Dylan, and I personally
think that he did not kill Dylan because he was exhausted.
I think that, you know, there she testified or she

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told police that he walked right by her, right by her,
she saw his bushy eyebrows, and he walked out the door.
And yeah, I think he was just exhausted at that point.
But that case makes me so sick to my stomach.
I mean, so many things about that case and Brian Kohberger,
I just I cannot stomach.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
And what's weird is something obviously, if you're going to
do something like that, is something's wrong with you mentally
is when he was entering his guilty plea, which was
live streamed, I believe CNN had it in real time,
he's just very calm. It's almost like he was describing
stealing a Hershey bar from candy store as opposed to
murdering four people. It was very eerie and creepy to
watch that sale. Didn't he take a selfie shortly after.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
That after the murders?

Speaker 3 (45:02):
Yeah, there was like this gross selfie where he's smirking
with a thumbs up. I mean, he is a sociopath truly,
and yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
It's it's just gross.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
And the victim impact statement by Kaylee Gonsalve as a
sister Olivia, she actually worked with doctor Anne Burgess, who
was like this renowned forensic psychologist criminologist, and Anne Burgess
really worked with her, I think from from what I've read,
to get into his brain to try to mess with him,

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and I think she did. You had these subtle smirks
he was these movements he was kind of doing while
she was telling him what a loser he was, how
he was a hypochondriac and no one cared about him.
And you know, I think honestly she was getting to
him because there's there's not many ways you can you

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can get to guys like this.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
You know she did, and she absolutely did, she just
as she should have, you know. So moving ahead, you
know again you have found your niches we talked about earlier.
Your space and entertainment is only going to grow from here,
especially with true crime true crime. Unfortunately, and this is
not said in a good way, We're not happy to
see these things happen, but true crime is never going

(46:19):
to go out stop. I mean, there's always going to
be a niche for that, so there's always going to
be coverage as a result of it. So where career wise,
especially now as a mom, as we talked about earlier,
and you're juggling in as best you can, what are
your goals? Where do you want to expand to and
what are some of the things short term and long
term besides what you mentioned earlier about potentially writing a
book that you'd like to accomplish within the next few years.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Yeah, definitely, you know the book. I would love that.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
I do want to continue to cover crime and just
you know, a sensitive manner, I guess, because sometimes I
just put myself in the position of some of these families.
What I want someone to jump on you know, a
podcast or or YouTube and start talking about my family,
my situation, my tragedy, you know, in a certain way,

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or or I guess so.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Quickly after it happened.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So I'm constantly always just trying to put myself in
fair shoes and and just trying to be a better
human about covering this stuff because again, it it really
it crosses that line, right, you don't want to turn
somebody's misfortune into entertainment. And I think that's so important
to just you know, remind everybody and including myself.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
So yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Hope to cover more of these cases again in a
sensitive way.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
One day it would be great to have my own
series on TV, on a platform or something.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
I always think about that.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
And and you know, maybe just continuing to cover these
criminal cases the try, I guess, I should say. I
really enjoy covering the trials as well, So I like
doing all of it and I would just love to
see my audience grow and appreciate sort of the work
that I'm putting in and the care that I'm putting

(48:14):
in as well.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Oh, I think it will. I think it will again,
not only because of the niche aspect of it, but
just because, again we talked about earlier, if someone's not
passionate about something, you could see right through it. There's
passion involved, it will always go a long way, because
you know, passion is contagious. And I know that sounds
very hokey to say, but it's true. It is true.
If the audience senses it and they're equally passionate about it,
it's only going to be a recipe for success no
matter what it is that you're doing in the media landscape.

(48:39):
I will ask you besides cases, I mean, Diddy was different.
There was no homicides involved there, Epstein's short of the
same thing. Coburger obviously there were, But besides that, other
facets of crime like corruption. New York City recently had
a major scandal involving that. Are there other aspects that
you routinely cover or would like to cover should they arise,

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or is there a certain niche within the crime space
that you know.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
I mean I typically cover crime and scandals. You know,
there was just attending the crypto kidnapping case.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, that was a crazy one.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I mean, some of these cases it's just like you
cannot make this up. It's wild and you know, it's funny.
You can read an article in the New York Post.
You can read a blurb about whatever happened during the hearing.
But for me, it's like I want to be there
because I will read the article and I'm like, ooh,

(49:37):
I don't think they really captured the essence of what
the heck is going on here. And also, you know,
I think it's so important to say both sides of
these cases, of these crimes. And if you're just reading
about this crypto kidnapping case, I mean the Post for example,
you know, they're doing their job. They want to make
it sensational, so they're talking about how these guys allegedly

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torture this Italian businessman on this and that. But then
you've got the defense coming in making a lot of
good points here.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
And I'm not saying these guys are innocent.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
I'm just saying a lot of the time publications won't
point out everything the defense is saying because it kind
of deters the sensational aspect of their story, which is
why people.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Click on it.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
So yeah, I just I like to just go in
to any of these criminal cases and just make sure
that I am dictating both sides so you can decide
for yourself.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
It goes back to something that's your question.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Sorry, I just kind of went on attention.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
No, that's fine, because it goes back to something John
Miller told me on my one hundredth episode a number
of years ago, former NYPD Deputy commissioner currently at CNN,
where he said, back when he was working at Fox five,
one of his earliest journalism jobs, there used to be
a side above the newsroom saying, and it was ironically
both sides entering and leaving the newsroom. There's two sides
to every story. Which one did you get?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I never forgot that, because it's true. Sometimes you know,
listen and there's certain slants to certain outlets. We don't
have to get into it here, but you know, kind
of the perspective, and I think it's it goes back
to the core element of reporting. Let the viewer decide,
you know, I don't think and I think that gets
lost unfortunately in journalism nowadays, certain journalists are trying to
decide for you one way or the other. Give me

(51:18):
what happened in its pure, unadult traded form and let me,
as a viewer come to my own conclusion. And I
think as long as the reporter stays true to that, well,
they're never going to go They're never going to go wrong.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, and and do not.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Don't get me wrong, I definitely started off, I guess
with a perspective of bias on certain cases when I
it's natural. Yeah, And I definitely have backpedals from there
where if someone asked my opinion, you know, on again
certain cases, I'll give it to a degree. But I

(51:52):
think that Yeah, my first true crime, my first case ever,
it was this case out of Tennessee, the Grant Solomon case.
I did a whole podcast on that, and I, you know,
I'm proud of my work later in the podcast, but
I would say the first like ten to fifteen episodes,
I'm so cringey, I am so pushing my narrative.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I really I can't even listen. It's awful.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
So, yeah, everyone has to start somewhere, And obviously I'm
still learning, but yes, you're right, it's and that's how
I feel now. Both sides very important. If someone asked
my opinion, I'll give it. But if I'm going to
report for everybody, I'm not gonna generally give an opinion.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I know I've led the same life as so many
others in this position, because as you're saying that, I mean,
I'm twenty five.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I started this when I was seventeen, eighteen years old,
and I'll look back sometimes and listen to interviews I
did when I was in Producer Victor and I were
talking about this the other day seventeen eighteen. I'm like,
I have to like hit pause. I'm like, I can't.
I can't. I'm like, why did I even think to
ask that? That was stupid? I mispronounced me.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
We're seventeen. That's so not a big deal, are you.
I'm talking about what I'm like, thirty five? Okay, you
are fine, You are fine, believe me.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
But then again, it's part of the growth to where
now you know, I kind of have a feel for
an interview and I'm not even again. I have an
outline you saw and I emailed it to you before
we came on together so you could see what I
was going to ask you. I'm not married to it.
If there's something interesting that comes up that slightly deviates
from it, but it's good for the audience. You go
with that, you know, and ultimately gaining a feel as
you have it comes with time. It comes with time
and experience, and you've gained that and again it shows.

(53:30):
So the last thing I'll ask you before we get
into the rapid fire to conclude, is I imagine now and again,
I don't mean to sound facetious, but it's true. You
know your mom, you have kids. He's covering these stories.
You must never want to let him out of the house.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
You know.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
My mom's the same way. She'll watch he's twenty twenties
in these date lines. You know. Again, me as a
grown man, she'll still text me make sure where are
you right now? What's going on? Which I appreciate, But
it's like I imagine not having younger kids. Man, You know,
it changes your outlook after covering these cases.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
Understand Yeah, I mean I actually think that it's it's
actually helped a bit. I think that my kids, I've
I've learned how to talk to them. And in a
way that doesn't scare them. I mean, they're they're almost
seven and nine. But you know, we've got the tiles,
the light three sixty or they're basically essentially air tags.

(54:22):
So we've got those, and my kids know the purpose
of them. And we have something called the family password
that we use where if they're encountered by anybody that says,
you know, your mom told me to pick you up,
your dad told me to pick you up. You know whatever,
I say, no, you ask them the family password, and
if they don't know it, yeah, I mean, and essentially

(54:44):
just all these things, you know, like adults should not
be interested in children.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
They should not be interested in you at all. They
should not ask you for help.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know, my kids are they go to you know, camp,
Nobody should you know when you're changing in your bathing suit.
Nobody should see you naked, and nobody should have a
cell phone around you. And like, I think that I
just sort of learned to give them these these warnings
without being scary. You know, my kids will tell you
if you ever see them, they'll say the only time
it's okay to bite someone is if someone you don't

(55:15):
want is pulling your hand out of a park or
trying to get you to go somewhere. I'd say, you
just bite down and they'll tell you and and they
they'll talk about it in a way that is again
not super daunting. I just think it's it's nice to
have your kids be aware, not have them live in candyland,

(55:36):
but also don't scare them because you don't wanna, yeah,
be having them wake you up in the middle of
the night with nightmares about stranger danger either.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
So oh, of course, and it's a balancing act. I
love that, that is true. Good good on you for
teaching them that about the biting when necessary. I was
I felt bad for laughing. But there was when you
were on the Coburger street recently and what your six
year old chump scared you?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
My gosh, that was insane.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
And I was at my parents' house and so I
was in my old room and I put.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
My kids to sleep.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
They have like a finished basement, so I literally had
put my kids to sleep an hour before in the basement.
So I'm like two floors up, we're talking about coburger,
and it's quiet. You can hear a pin drop the
whole I mean, I'm telling you. The whole house was
pitch black because at this point it's like ten thirty night,
my parents are asleep. I don't even hear this kid.

(56:31):
He tiptoes whatever he's he opened. I mean, I had
the door shut, so it's funny. I thought I heard something,
so I just kind of went like that. And then
I look over and he's staring at me like children
under the corn, just like I mean, it was insane.
I jumped so hard. I was like out of my mind.

(56:51):
So yes, that was a moment.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I was so embarrassed too.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
I was like, no, I don't listen. I related to
because I'm like as a son. I tell this to
my mother all time. If we're not taking years off
your life, are we even sons? It's our job, so
totally it never ends. Like I said, I'm twenty five,
still do it? Still do it? So that brings us
into the rapid fire. The hour is flown by its

(57:14):
five hitt run questions from me, five hit and run
answers from you could say pass if you want. First,
going back to your Red Carpet, Day's favorite moment of
the Red.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Carpet, I was interviewing oh gosh, well, basically I.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Was interviewing George. I'm blanking on his name. Oh my gosh,
I feel so bad.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
What was that Cooney?

Speaker 3 (57:35):
No, no, sorry, he was Seinfeld's longtime manager.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Oh, Jason Alexander.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
No no, George. Oh this is the worst. It is
so bad. He just passed away. But what's that.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
I'll get it for you. Go ahead, yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
So gosh, it's gonna kill me. But this was my
favorite moment like ever.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
And I to this into a couple different shorts, I think,
but I'm talking to this guy, George, and I feel horrible.
He was part of this documentary that was airing on
HBO about him growing up in the Bronx. And again,
he's Seinfeld's longtime manager, and I'm interviewing with Yes, thank you,

(58:20):
George Shapiro.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
He's the cutest man ever.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
He was, And all of a sudden, Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld
just walks up to us and interrupts the interview.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
And I was just like, this is amazing because he
was there.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
I just never thought I was going to get to
speak with him, but it was such a great moment.
And I think that there's me kind of looking into
the camera like like that, like I couldn't even hold
my my excitement. So that was, yeah, my favorite moment
that I just butchered telling you.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
But yeah, that's as you told me. I'm fine, You're fine,
believing he had some crazier moments. On this program, we've
talked about cases that have hit you hard, but you
don't listen to you there there's some uplifting stories you've
been able to cover too. So what's the case that
impacted you in a positive way? Their story that impacted
you in a.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Positive way rather in a positive way.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Well, you know, I think that the first case I
had mentioned, the Grant Solomon case.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I don't necessarily know if that impacted me in.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
A positive way, but it really it gave me a passion,
I think for.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
For helping.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
Maybe families that needed help in kind of navigating their situation.
I learned a lot and I'm still learning that that
case is not done. So I would say, just yeah,
the Grant Solomon case has just sort of been a
case that just has really opened my eyes to a
lot of things and sort of just kind of pushed

(59:52):
me as a journalist and as a reporter. And I'm
you know, I'm grateful for the relationships that I made
with the family and everything that I am learning and
still learning about that case.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Third question rapid fire. As far as your podcast goes,
one guest has surprised you in a good way.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Oh gosh, one guest that surprises me in a good way.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
I recently just spoke to Mark Aragos and I love him.
I mean, I know that he's defended some bad people
like Scott Peterson, but he's just so smart, so full
of knowledge, and just a nice guy, really nice guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So I really enjoyed talking to him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
There you go. H Fourth dream interview pastor present, dead
or alive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Ooh that's a good one. Oh my gosh. Oh no, no, no,
I mean I would love to interview I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I feel like this is gonna sound horrible because I
think that I would like to interview someone like a
Brian Coberger to get answers. I would also like to
interview someone like Gilane to get answers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
But somebody fun. I love Wendy Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I think she's amazing and I would love to interview
her one day collab with her, because man, I think
she is just an unmatched talent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
She is just puts herself out there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
She's so funny and she's just you know, her opinions
are hilarious, and I feel really bad about what's happening
to her right now. So hopefully, you know, she's gonna
go to court, probably have a jury trial next year,
and we'll get past all of this conservator guardianship stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Yeah, same thing with the Britney Spears situation. So yeah,
she was walking around recently in the city, so she
looks like she's doing better. She was smiling, she seemed
like she was in good spirits. So I hope because
I know she's had some health problems recently as both
so I said her my very best. Again, I never
watched her show, but it's impossible to not know who
Wendy Williams is, you know, seeing the clips of her
over the years of social media. She is one of

(01:02:02):
the time, that's for sure. That brings it to the
final question of the rapid fire best piece of advice
that you've gotten in the business that you'd like to
share with anybody trying to get into the business.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I would just say, be true to yourself, trust your gut.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
That whole thing usually people have, you know, something inside
them that that will give them a feeling if if
they should go down a certain path or not. So
I would say trust it and yeah, just always be
true to yourself. Don't don't give in to to what
could be you know, perceived as something that you should do,

(01:02:41):
but but you really know that you shouldn't. I would
just say, yeah, that's my advice.

Speaker 1 (01:02:46):
All right, well done. Of course, stick around, we'll talk
off fear. For those of you that will listen to this,
you'll see this. Of course. This will be airing next Wednesday,
on August thirteenth. But before we go, I always have
guests or the or the guest of honor rather give
shout out to anyone or anything if they'd like to.
So the floor is yours. If you have any shadow,
let's go right ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Oh well, you can follow my YouTube at pop Prime TV.
You can follow me on x at Conlin Underscore Lauren Instagram,
Lauren Emily Conlin, TikTok Lauren Conlin for yeah, you can
just find me and I would love for you to
listen watch whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
All right sounds good? Okay, So for those of you
listening to this of course next Wednesday, you'll have previously
heard NYPD Lieutenant John McCary, who also has gone into
podcasting post retirement from the New York City Police Department.
And after this interview air is coming up on Friday,
it'll be Kim Woodward, who was the CIA intelligence analyst
during the nineties and early odds, of course, when much

(01:03:45):
of the War on Terror was starting to take shapes.
I'll talk to her about that. So some really exciting
shows on tap for the remainder of August, and we're
booking into September as well, so stay tuned for what
we've got cooked up now. For those of you listening
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