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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Strangest thing in the world continues to baffle me, and
that is I just did an interview about artificial intelligence,
and what shows up in my email box well, an
article about chat GPT an ad for it. How peculiar.
It's Michael Patrick shields through the AT and T microphones
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Speaker 2 (00:59):
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Speaker 1 (01:00):
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e d U, the President of the United States was
in front of the media before being with the world
leaders on Monday, and they talk about, of course, peace
in Ukraine, and one of the reporters in the gaggle
shouted a question that Donald Trump seems surprised in context,
but he answered, and he answered it like.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
This, ballots are corrupt. Mail in ballots.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
You can never have a real democracy with mail in ballots.
And we as a Republican party, are going to do
everything possible that we get rid of mail invalots. We're
going to start with an executive order that's being written
right now by the best lawyers in the country to
end mail in ballots.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Because they're corrupt.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
And you know that we're the only country in the world,
I believe I may be wrong, but just about the
only country in the world that uses it because of
what's happened, massive fraud all over the place.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
The other thing, we want change of the machines.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
For all of the money they spend, it's approximately ten
times more expensive than paper ballots, and paper ballots are
very sophisticated with the watermark paper and everything else. We
would get secure elections. We get much faster results the machines.
I mean, they say we're going to have the results
in two weeks. With paper ballots, you have the results
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that night. Most people almost but most people many countries
use paper ballots.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
It's the most secure form.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
So between paper ballots, very very important paper ballots, and
I think maybe even more important the mail in voting.
We're going to end mail in voting. It's a fraud
if you have mail in vote. Even Jimmy Carter with
this commission they set it up. He said, the one
thing about mail in voting, you will never have an
honor selection if you have mail in it. And it's
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time that the Republicans get tough and stop it.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I'm willing to take the President on faith with his
argument until the point he says it's the Republican Party
that's spearheading the effort. If he said that I'm spearheading
the effort because it's best for the nation, that's one thing,
But it's immediately partisan when he says the party is
doing it. Barbiram is the am County clerk candidate for
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Secretary of State. I've immediately wondered what you thought when
you heard that. Maybe you can share your opinion with
the rest of the state too.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Well, thank you so much for having me, Michael Patrick.
You know he's right. Paper ballots are the most secure
way to vote, so I'll give him that. But everything
else he said was just false. Mail in ballots are secure,
in fact, so secure. He himself voted on a mail
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in ballot in twenty twenty and dozens of countries use
mail in ballots UK, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, Germany. He is
trying to distract, distract from the many things that he
has done. But you better believe, Michael Patrick, I'll be
the first one to fight back against this executive order
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once it's finally issued.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Does he have the juice to get that done? Is
it even possible?
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Well, he has no authority. It is unconstitutional what he
is trying to do. States have the exclusive authority to
hold elections, decide voting machines, to decide the paper, the
hours and locations. But candidly, Michael Patrick, he may bully
some states and some governors to maybe not allow mail
in voting, but I am confident Michigan will not be bullied.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
It is possible, is it not that the I don't know,
somebody was at my house. Let's say it was a
cleaning lady and they saw a pile of mail and
then she said, Oh, looks like maybe he's not going
to mail this in. I'll just do it and mail
it in. Is that possible?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
No, because you still have to sign in Michigan. You
have to sign the back of that envelope, and that
signature is compared to the signature and the qualified voter file,
and so there are so many protections in place in
Michigan and in other states, quite frankly, to make sure
our mail in voting is just as secure as the
in person voting. And let's not forget the people of
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Michigan voted overwhelmed meanly in support of requiring the option
for mail in voting. It's in our Michigan constitution to allow,
for no reason, absentee voting. We call it abs and
te voting in Michigan, but it's mail and voting in
other states. It's the same thing, different words.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Rhanda Santas, the Governor of Florida, was saying in order
to get your absentee ballot, you have to show an
ID and have to turn it in. You also have
to show an ID. I don't know how they do that,
but is that the most safest way to do it well?
Speaker 5 (06:33):
In Michigan, voters when they register to vote, they have
to show an ID at least one point before their
voter registration is active and before they can vote. So
the information it is absolutely redundant. The intent is just
to make it more difficult to vote, and I won't
stand for any barriers put in front of a voter
and exercising their right to vote.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
It's complicated in only thirty seconds. But what do you
think of ranked choice voting?
Speaker 5 (07:00):
You know, if they get the signatures and it gets
on the ballot and it passes, I am confident that
clerks will do everything possible to make sure the implementation
is as seamless as possible for voters. Clerks we take
a lot. We have seen many changes in election law
and we have done an amazing job serving the voters.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Ingham County Clerk bar Byron wants to be Secretary of State.
Thank you so much for your passion and expertise.
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