Ep. 3421: Monday starring Michael Patrick Shiels

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, well, again weighted averages and so forth, and just
looking at the way in which you know, some of
the students that come here come with incredible GPAs up
in the five point threes and so forth, that weighted
averages that just are mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
But yeah, certainly we have.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
An average grade point a Greade point average for our
freshman class that's usually above a three point ninety five
for the average for the whole class. So you know,
you kind of think of that in terms of a
strength of academics. It's incredible, you know, to achieve that
is incredible.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
But how do you go over a four point Oh
this is a dumb question. How do you get to
a five point something?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Well, again, that's weighted, right, But I mean at the
same time, even you can't wait that enough to get
it low, it's still impressive unweighted.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
But yeah, that's what we look at. We look at
the weighted average.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Are you born smart?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I don't think so. I think you're born with the
ability to do just about anything. But the point is,
you know, the environment and the support becomes really significant.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
You know, I'm fairly confident.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
I've always believed that, you know, with the right kind
of support and the right kind of you know, ability
to connect. You'll achieve anything. But there is a lot
of effort that's involved. And I think one of the
things that sometimes gets thrown out there it's somehow there's
this sort of elite selection that goes on.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I don't think it's elitism.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think what it is is folks that have put
in the effort that have built up that kind of
notion of how to do things academically, but also, as
I say, are willing to push themselves a bit and
have the.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Support to be able to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
So not to oversimplify it, you're saying it's nurture not nature.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
I'm saying it's probably more nurture than nature for sure.
And I think ultimately that the nature of that nurture
is one of the great accomplishments that we can support.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
How do you get that to work for everybody?

Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And I think that that's the difficulty.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
How do you actually give everybody opportunity to be nurtured
to a point where they're able to succeed, you know,
That's the big question.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And I think it's even more of a difficult question
these days when I wonder how is the most effective
way to engage your kids in the curiosity of the
world and learn. When it's not books maybe anymore, it
could be some sort of electronic debase.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
The idea of what reading involves connects with that really well,
because I think you're onto something there. I mean, I'm
still a big book person. I think a lot of
the students that I meet are coming to the honor
scholars you are very interested in books and reading in
that very sort of Oh yeah, they are definitely interested.
But having said that, the notion of how you read
the world is a really interesting concept of what you know,

(02:43):
how we broaden that idea of reading out so you
how do you read visual images?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
How do you how do you read sounds? How do
you read the weather?

Speaker 1 (02:52):
You know, there's a whole bunch of different versions of
what reading means. So I think in the contemporary world,
it's how do you engage you know, how do you
actually sort of come to investigate, understand and come to
some conclusions about things. And that's not all traditional book reading.
And I think again depends on the field you're going
to go into as to what elements are more significant

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than others within that broad spectrum of what reading means.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Do you need to know, well, let me do that,
let me do this, because I'll forget I better have
a butterfly mind. Do you need to know what you're
going to be when you come to college or is
it just an expensive place to figure that out?

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, for what the value of.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It is overall, it's not an expensive place to figure
things out. I think it's the one point in your
life where you get to immerse yourself completely. And I
think that's what is so fascinating about it is that
you've kind of.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Got four years to explore something that it's kind of
resource rich.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I mean, it's rich with people resource So you're going
to meet experts across pretty much every campus in so
many different fields.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
You've got access to.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
So many resources that you're not going to get out
there in the commercial world very easily.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
You've got all that going on. So I think ultimately,
you know.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's a place to explore an experiment, and it hasn't
changed that much in terms of how important that is,
despite the fact we've got a lot more people perhaps
these days saying what is the point? The point is
that immersion doesn't happen except in a university clash college environment.

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And that's why it's valuable. I mean, it's so valuable
that you get to do that, and the fact that
you do get to do it and get to explore
that much means that you can come in not necessarily
knowing exactly what you want to do, because that's part
of the point.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
We always say to the students to join the honest
college who are still deciding what they.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Want to do. Is all around you.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
There are people that are in the top five percent
academically in their particular interest areas. Now, if you just
gravitate towards engineering, then talk to some of the folks
that have already decided to be engineers. We'll talk to
some of the nurses if you're planning to be a nurse.
But I have tonight for certain, when you arrive, use
the opportunity to made all these folks, and not just

(05:05):
professors but fellow students. So yeah, I think you can
be undecided. In fact, maybe it is sometimes better to
be undecided when you stop.

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Professor Graham Harper, dean of the Honors College at Open University,
would you name two or three books that you think
are essential for a human being that's educated?

Speaker 10 (09:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Two or three?

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I couldn't say one, because you know, I give you three.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
You got me on the spot there.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I really I immersed myselves in snippets of things to experience.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
What could you read Don Quixote if you wanted to?
Are you that intelligent to figure that out?

Speaker 11 (09:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Again? I think is it the is it the classics?
Is it? Is it a combination of the classics and
the contemporary?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You know, we read a book with the Honest College
a couple of freshman years ago, so about twenty twenty three,
called The Cartographers that I really enjoyed. It was popular
fiction in many ways but it was also an exploration
of the New York Public Library and the way in
which it works. It was a fantasy, and it was
a sort of book where I'd say, hey, have a
look at this and get a feel for how you

(10:16):
can understand the library world and the world of map making,
for example. And at that point I thought, wow, this
is a book that everybody should have a look at,
you know, and it was really reasonably conte, was very contemporary.
I looked back through, you know, authors that I enjoy,
I like Nimbokoff and various fiction writers that write in
a lyrical fashion, and I always say everybody should have

(10:37):
a look at a book where the author appreciates language
just to enjoy it. John Updyke, for example, always surprises me,
you know, just because it's the sort of work where
somebody can explore language poetically. But it's pros it's a narrative,
it's you know, it's a story, it's a story being told,
and yet at the same time it's it shows you
what you can do with language, you know. And those

(10:58):
kinds of books, I think, and there are so many choices,
the sorts of books that everybody should at least have
some experience of to understand that language can work in
that way, you know, So I would I would collect
those together in a group way bigger than three and
imagine that these are sorts of things to expose exposed
people to. But if you've never seen Shakespeare on the page,
you should have a lot. If you don't really understand

(11:20):
what a film script looks like on the page, have
a look. It's what makes a great film.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
These are things I'm not sure we always teach in
terms of the making of books and the making of story.
We often teach the end result, but we don't necessarily
always talk about how it came about.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
So did you see Hamnett the movie?

Speaker 12 (11:37):
Or no?

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I okay, I get sometimes so lost in alliteration that
I feel trapped when I'm reading because when I pick
my head up and get some air, because it feels
like a like a prison. You will one of your
books be in the list of books that you would
recommend to your honor students.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Never, I never recommend anything I've written.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
I've written much and edited a bunch more, and I
never put it out there.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean, I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
I've just about I've got a new short story collection
coming out surely, and again I won't be telling anybody
to buy it, but hopefully they will.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Well, what will it be called? And when can we
get it?

Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's called Robots and Other People and that'll be out
in January.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Amazon or how do you worry on Amazon?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, it's a collection of short.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Stories, one hundred and one hundred and eighty pages of
various stories, but playing a little bit between the contemporary
and contemporary fixation on technologies and AI and so forth.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
And then people, what are people actually doing you?

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Are you publishing through traditional publishers or how do you
do it? You are stuff?

Speaker 13 (12:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean again, I find that interesting.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
We're still pretty hung up about how things get out there,
and so I think one of the things to think
about is, in the contemporary world, if you want to
be writing things and getting things out there, what's going
to make you most happy? You're really looking for your
book to be represented by an agent and by a
mainstream New York publisher or are you really thinking I
just wanted out there?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So I think people can go various directions.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
These days, and they shouldn't feel like any direction is
better than any other one.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
But you know, you don't know what you want to do.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
So I published quite traditionally with academic presses and so forth,
and then with a small press with my fiction because
I enjoy working with the editor.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
So, yeah, what is your masterpiece?

Speaker 2 (13:23):
What is it? That's the one next, the next one?

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And now you sound like Enzo Ferrari, but you must
have a well, pick a title that's available this moment
that somebody could go right now and read your work.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Mine.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Well, you've got to have a look at robots and
other people. But Releasing the Animals was fun. That came
out in twenty twenty three. That was set kind of
around a zoo that doesn't look dis similar to Detroit Zoo.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
So yeah, interesting, would you mind giving us your pathway
to Rochester, Michigan because that's not a Michigan accent.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
It's not in Michigan accent.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
They've been working on it now for fourteen years, so
maybe it's getting closer, but I think people would.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Argue the point on that one.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
So I was in North Wales at University of Wales
there and then was at the University of Texas Medical Branch,
so it was in Galveston for a while, in Alabama
for a little while and then.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Eventually ended up here.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And it's a bizarre story, but I am so pleased
that I ended up here. And you know, it's one
of those things that you can't plan ahead on, and
he has to say so really, officially I was in Wales,
but I was sort of on the way here in
many ways because I was doing these short term positions
in Alabama and Texas. But way way back I was
in Australia. So yes, there's a little bit more history there.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Well, yeah, let's go back to the origin story if
you will.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Okay, yeah, we'll go on that far far that back
back that far. I should say.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
I was raised in Australia, so northern New South Wales
on the coast, on the beach, and then ended up
in Britain at the University of East Anglia because they
do have a fabulous and they still do have a
fabulous program in writing and so forth in American studies.
So that was where I ended up through the mid
parts of the nineteen nineties, and then, as I say,

(15:12):
ended up here eventually after being at the University of
Wales for some time.

Speaker 14 (15:17):
Do you read any Ernest Hemingway not on a regular basis,
although I've read and everybody must at some point, so
I think that's one of the things is have a
look at some of those that have been influential.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
So obviously everybody looks for Hemingway, for the strip tramp
down pros and the journalistic style.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
So absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
How long since you've been in Australia? And do you
go back often?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Two thousand and nine and I guess the answer therefore
was no, it was, but no, I've got relatives there,
but we don't go all back back all that.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Of Well, I'm glad to see you here in Michigan.
This is very intriguing. So you know, we buried the
lead a little bit that you're an author, and of
course the dean of the Honors College here at Oakland University.
If I will give you to Cliffhanger here, I'll ask
you the question, then we'll take the breakfa the answer.
If one of your students comes up and says, I've
got an idea for a book, I want to write

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a book, because I hear that from time to time
from people, my answer is practical, and that is, go
ahead and put the book proposal together. What, Yeah, you've
got a forty to fifty page book proposal. We got
to flesh it all out. You see if it's marketable,
see if you actually have an idea. They don't want
to hear that. And so don't give me that answer,
because you with students are melding minds, and so I'm

(16:29):
sure you're meant to inspire and we'll get the answer
to that question. Have you ever thought about writing a book?
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Speaker 3 (17:39):
At Oaklynn You University. You can be the leader you
were meant to be in Rochester and we just have
two and a half minutes left with the Dean of
the Honors College, Graham Harper. And the cliffhanger I left
is if I was a student and I said I
want to write a book, what do you say?

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I say, why do you want to write it?

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And it's your starting point, Because if you want to
write it, because it's going to give you satisfaction to
write it, then I say get on and write it.
It's going to take not just minutes, not just days,
weeks and months, it could take years.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
But do it and just get on with it. I mean.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
The hardest thing, and it's come up in discussions of
writing for eons, is the idea if you don't start,
it's never going to happen. And I think it's so
true in so many ways. If you don't just sit
there and frankly, laboriously do it. There may be days
that you get fifteen words done and at the end
of the day you cross them.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
All out metaphorically speaking.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Often these days obviously, usually people are doing things, you know, electronically,
they're putting stuff in there and think, yeah, I've got
it done, and it disappears the next day because I think,
now that was all terrible.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know, you've got to start and you've got to
be willing to let it all go if that's why
you want to do it. If however, you're saying, okay,
I need somebody to give me a contract, I want
to go through that process, and sure, you've got to
put together something that somebody's convinced by and get them
to sign you up.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
That's usually no guarantee they'll take it until you've finished it,
and even when you do finish it, no guarantee they're
going to take it. Still always got that question. Unless
you write, it's never going to get done. So frankly,
the overall thing is get on with it, get on
with it and do it.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
When does your amuse come to you? What time of
the day early.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And again I've written about this, you know, a few
times actually, about the fact that early morning new brain
stuff is essential. But again, if you're serious about writing things,
you can't say I'm only going to write for an
hour in the morning and that'll be it. And you
probably aren't going to get anywhere fast doing it that way,
although there are authors, of course they've done it that way.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
But I would say, yep, early is fabulous.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
Five o'clock in the morning, and then by seven or eight,
you know, maybe you're starting to think, okay, I've done
some for the day. But you know, you can sit
there from five in the morning till ten at night
and still not end up with more than fifteen words.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
It's just a fascinating thing, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
It's an amazing thing that we want to do it.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
But as I say, I think that's what's fascinating, and
of course love with creative writing, but I think all
kinds of writings like that, the fact that we are
so determined to do this thing that can be so difficult,
and even in this contemporary AI world, it's still something
I think that people want to do.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
They want to labor over, you.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Know, open up your veins and bleed like this exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It's exactly like that sometime.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Thank you very much, Graham Harper. I hope we'll beat again.
The dean of the Honors.

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Speaker 3 (23:43):
Classes in session here at Oakland University in Rochester, Michigan,
where the Golden Grizzlies are learning about history and they're
shaping our future too. It's Michael Patrick Shields here. And
it took me to get to the age of about
fifty five to realize how much I love learning, because
when I was in school, of course, I just wanted
to get a job, and now I love to learn

(24:04):
for learning's sake. We have a new professor here at
Oakland University, Nicholas de Puccio, who is a You're in
the history department. What is your correct actual title?

Speaker 21 (24:15):
Yeah, I'm an assistant professor of history here at.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Oakland and that's what you studied where So.

Speaker 22 (24:20):
I actually did my undergrad here at Oakland University, and
the really dynamic professors here inspired me to go off
and get a doctor at Saint Louis University, Okay, and
that was specializing in what early American history, specifically the
age of Revolutions, and so the American Revolution broadly defined
in all sorts of different contexts. We're coming up on

(24:42):
a significant date in regards to the birth of our nation.
See correct. Yeah, We're coming up on a number of
different dates. In twenty twenty six, the two hundred and
fiftieth anniversary of American Independence, of course, but the whole
year is just cent around imagining, declaring, and trying to

(25:03):
secure independence, because it's one thing to declare independence, but
it's a whole other thing to win it on the
battlefield as well. So there's a number of upcoming dates
related to American independence. So like in the next couple
of weeks, i'd imagine we'll be celebrating the two hundred
and fiftieth anniversary of Thomas Paine's Common Sense being published

(25:24):
on January tenth, and that before that was published, most
Americans didn't want to break from the British Empire and
instead sought to you know, said their you know, express
their grievances and have them reconciled within the British Empire.
But Thomas Pain advocated Americans to think ambitiously, to think

(25:46):
of creating a nation founded on principles of liberty, equality
and freedom, one that would set an example to the
rest of the world. Then, of course there's July second,
when Congress actually voted to declare independence, and John Adams
even thought, hey, you know, this is going to be
the day of fireworks and barbecues. He just happened to

(26:07):
be two days off, because two days later, on July fourth,
Congress approved the language of the declaration.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
But then that was well after the Boston Tea Party.

Speaker 22 (26:17):
Then correct, yep, So the Boston Tea Party had led
to a series of really coursive acts that intensified the
conflict between the colonist and the British. But after independence
was declared, they still had to win it on the
battlefield too.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And that's when Paul Revere came round.

Speaker 22 (26:40):
Paul Revere came around in the lead up to the
battles of Lexington and Congress. He's the one that warns
about the British troops are coming. So Paul Revere's claim
to fame happens before independence is declared, but it's really
after independence is what's really interesting is the revolutionary forces

(27:04):
don't do too well. In fact, George Washington on August
twenty seventh loses the Battle of Long Island and they
actually lose New York City for the rest of the
Revolutionary War, and so many Americans are like thinking independence
just might not be possible. But then there's another key battle,
the Battle of Trenton on December twenty sixth, seventeen seventy six.

(27:25):
This is this moment where Washington crosses the Delaware on
the night of Christmas and surprises a bunch of drunk
Hessian soldiers who were celebrating Christmas the night before. And
these Hessians were fighting on behalf of the British and
this victory had convinced many Americans that independence was possible.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
What would have happened then if the Revolutionary War was
not successful? Would we have just been like Canada?

Speaker 21 (27:53):
It's possible. It's hard to.

Speaker 22 (27:56):
Imagine what a United States would be like or the
North American colonies would be like if they rejoined the
British Empire. But I think this whole year of seventeen
seventy six, as we're reflecting on all these anniversaries, that
your question is a really good one because it makes
us think that independence wasn't guaranteed and there was a
possibility of rejoining the British Empire. And throughout the war,

(28:20):
some of the leading American revolutionaries were contemplating rejoining the
British Empire, including the first diplomat overseas, Silas Dean, And
so it's a really there's a lot of contingencies and
uncertainties as Americans are navigating independence, so there would have
been a possibility they would have rejoined the British Empire,
maybe under some new terms where they might have a

(28:41):
representative in Parliament, or they might have more autonomy than
the British would have liked.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Do you think our lives would have been much different?

Speaker 22 (28:53):
Certainly, yes. I would imagine that being a part of
the British Empire would have in some ways open new
directions for expansion. They may have the colonists may have
expanded more northward into Canada. There would have been, you know,

(29:16):
greater restrictions on westward expansion into territories controlled by Native Americans.

Speaker 21 (29:22):
And so the size of.

Speaker 22 (29:26):
The British North American colonies, if they remained in the
British Empire, might look different. The map of North America
might look different, and some states may have eventually or
colonies would have eventually broken away and formed their own
republic or their own country. So North America is very
dynamic and contingent. So we just think that the United
States was destined to emerge. Many Americans living in seventeen

(29:48):
seventy six thought that the British could have dominated North
America themselves.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
This is a dumb question. Then we'll take a short
break and come back. But did the Revolutionary army have
any allies in the battle.

Speaker 22 (30:05):
Yeah, so the revolutionaries had a number of allies to
count on. So there were some Native American nations like
the Oneida who actually sided with the American Revolutionaries and
helped them in battles.

Speaker 21 (30:18):
But the big player was France.

Speaker 22 (30:21):
So France enters the war in seventeen seventy eight, and
their whole goal is to get revenge against the British
because they had lost a previous conflict with them, and
so they were pouring in resources and money and supplies
and naval support, which actually proved to be the real
big turning point. In fact, the really decisive battle in

(30:43):
the American Revolutionary War, the Battle of Yorktown, was not
possible without the French. French soldiers and the French navy
helped Washington defeat Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So the enemy of my enemy was my friend in
this case.

Speaker 21 (30:58):
Correct. Yeah.

Speaker 22 (30:59):
The French were not motivated by the American revolutions promise
of liberty, equality and freedom, largely because they had colonies
of their own and they didn't like the idea of
that revolutionary rhetoric spreading far, and then it ends up
spreading far into their own country, and then you have
the French Revolution a few years later.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
So I say, we will take a break, but I'm
curious to know why history for you?

Speaker 22 (31:23):
Yeah? Why history for me? So it started at an early age.
I had a grandfather. Anyone who's really passionate about history
had someone in their life, whether it was a teacher,
a parent, or grandparent that inspired their passion. And for me,
it was my grandfather who, as a teenager would take
me on all these trips across the country to Fort Necessity, Gettysburg,

(31:45):
and so on. And so just being there, present in
the moment reminded me that history is not just memorizing
facts and dates. It's so much more than that. And
I think for anyone who has any interest in sitting history,
you're really fulfilling that mission of America two fifty. If
we're thinking about the Republic established in seventeen seventy six,

(32:06):
the founders wanted their citizens to be educated. They wanted
them to study history. They wanted them to know about
the history of republics, because republics are so fragile, and
so if you can understand the history of Rome, the
history of our own country, you'd be better equipped to
be a better citizen in this nation.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
That's our next question when we get back to Oakland
University in Rochester, Michigan.

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Speaker 3 (35:45):
Hey, wait a minute, I'm back at Oakland University and
talking to history professor Nick Depuccio about the unique US
history and I just heard you tell Brian Beerley that
Ireland once had a chance of being one of the
United States of America.

Speaker 22 (36:00):
Yeah, so this is really fascinating. So when Ben Franklin
was imagining the first Articles of Confederation, this union of
different colonies and states, he included Ireland in his proposals
with this idea that all the British colonies, including the
colonies in the Caribbean like the Barbados in Jamaica and Bermuda,

(36:23):
would join this confederacy of British colonies, and that if
the British didn't address their grievances in Parliament, this confederacy,
which included Ireland, would be perpetual. Now, whether the Irish
thought themselves of being a part of that confederacy is
another story, but they certainly were contemplating independence in their
time too.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
You mentioned in the last segment that republics are fragile.
Are we fragile still to this day?

Speaker 21 (36:50):
I would imagine so.

Speaker 22 (36:51):
And so the thing I will say about that is
that you know, the founders were thinking about republics. History
talk them that they were extremely fragile. So they always
look to the example of ancient Rome. Right, Rome fell
to Caesar, the Roman republic fell to Caesar and then Augustus,

(37:12):
and so when they were establishing the Republic, they were
always weary about ambitious individuals, those who are motivated by
self interest in private gain. And therefore, whenever they had
a political rival in Congress, they're like, oh, this is
the next this is the Caesar of America. And so
throughout America's history, even up to this day, we're always

(37:34):
identifying potential Caesars who might undermine our institutions for self gain.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Do we have one now?

Speaker 22 (37:44):
I mean, it depends on who you ask, Right, I'm
sure individuals on the left and the right can point
out Caesar's much in the same way that the Federalists
and the Democratic Republicans of the early Republic were pointing
fingers at Washington, at Hamilton, at jeff In Madison. And
so it really depends on who you ask. But I'm
sure if you were to pull someone on the left

(38:06):
or someone on the right, they can identify at least
Tence Julius.

Speaker 21 (38:09):
Caesar's on the other side of the political aisle.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
But from an academic standpoint, then in one hundred years
will there still be a United States of America.

Speaker 22 (38:19):
I love this question because I would imagine that Americans
in eighteen seventy six we're grappling with this question, that
Americans in nineteen seventy six were grappling with the same question. So,
as Americans are approaching the three hundred and fiftieth anniversary
of the American Revolution, unless some miracle happens, I don't

(38:41):
think any of us will be here for that present moment,
but they will be actually asking the same questions we're
asking ourselves to this day. You know, was twenty twenty
six a moment in which Americans advanced the principles of
the American Revolution. Were they committed to freedom of speech,
freedom of the press, freedom of religion. Were they committed

(39:03):
to liberty, equality, and in you know, economic opportunities for all?
Or did we backslide on that? Did we end up
falling back and retreating from those values? And so Americans,
as an approach the three hundred and fiftieth anniversary, we'll
look at twenty twenty six as one of those moments,
and how we reflect in our present moment about the

(39:26):
historical memory of the American Revolution will be not too
disimilar from how they reflect on those moments.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
You mentioned that your grandfather got you intrigued by history.
So if you're going to take your students on a
field trip from Oakland University to one spot in America
to ground them and inspire them, and we can go
to you know, we're listening. Where would that be depends
on the budget.

Speaker 21 (39:49):
If I have an unlimited budget, I'll go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
He won the power of all.

Speaker 21 (39:53):
You're all set, Oh, okay, Well I'm thinking.

Speaker 22 (39:55):
If I'm thinking practically though, I'm thinking about Philadelphia, because
you know, one thing that's really great about Philadelphia is
a lot of the sites that were where the founders
were thinking through the creation of this nation are still present.
So Independence Hall is where they contemplated creating an independent nation.

(40:17):
You have other things like the Liberty Bell, which you
know made them. There's liberty bells throughout the country, but
this was one that made them like think through the
values of the republic that they were creating. But there's
also a number of other things like the Museum of
the American Revolution, where they have an abundance of material
culture related to the Revolution and so. And then of

(40:43):
course you could just walk the streets of old Philadelphia
and really be immersed in that moment and think through.
This is where you know George Washington walked as he
was thinking through the creation of the nation. Here's where
Thomas Jefferson was wandering as he was procrastinating and writing
the Declaration of Independence. And here's Ben Franklin. Well, Ben
Franklin's all over that city. You have to go very

(41:03):
far to find Ben Franklin's where he was present in
this moment, in this area and so on. So I
would take Oakland University students to Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
And here's where the seventy six Ers plays. Yeah, I
want too before we go. The Dennis Muchmore series. Policy
series will be very much as I understand it, involved
in the historical aspect this year, and there's a timeline
of sorts you're working on.

Speaker 22 (41:29):
Yeah, So Oakland Universities can be hosting a number of
or they're planning on hosting a number of initiatives on
campus in celebration of the values of the American Revolution.
So there will be there's plans for performances. Our galleries
book displays nice, but what's really exciting, and we have
a bunch of history lectures as well as part of

(41:51):
the history comes a live lecture series. But one thing
I'm really excited about is this winter, me with two
other colleagues are going to be offering a course historical
memory of the American Revolution. So not just a course
on the history of the American Revolution, but how different
generations of Americans thought about seventeen seventy six and used
it to bring about political, cultural, and social change. And

(42:14):
so by the end of the course, the students will
be creating a timeline where they picked the dates that
they think matter and the nations swimly fifty years of
history and how it makes them think about seventeen seventy
six and so there, like many generations of Americans before them,
they'll be thinking about what the American Revolution means to them.

(42:34):
And what's really exciting is once this timeline, these dates
are established. The plan is in the summer, graphic design
students will be creating the timeline and it will be
potentially featured in the Oakland Center and viewable for the
public to see.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
We are going to I'm like Colombo, you're too young
to remember him, but I got one more question. If
you can stay after this break, we'll continue here in Rochester.
This is why he wanted to come to school here.
Because you just cant ain't get enough. Nicholas Depuccio with.

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Speaker 3 (45:41):
Back at Oakland University, the bell rang, but just a
couple of after class questions. One of them really a
lot of people will say that's not in the Constitution.
They cling to the Constitution to make the decisions and
the laws and judgments on the laws. Is it outdated?

Speaker 22 (46:01):
So that's a really great question, And I think the
best answer I can give you is that when the
framers of the Constitution in the late seventeen eighties were
trying to imagine a better way to revise the Articles
of Confederation, they quickly realized that they're in a room

(46:23):
with people from different states with different economic and political
interest and so the Constitution as it emerged was a
series of compromises. And when George Washington left the Constitutional Convention,
he thought to himself, this is a work in progress.
It is something that will need to be refined. It's
not perfect in the moment, and many of them agreed

(46:46):
on that.

Speaker 21 (46:47):
And one of the.

Speaker 22 (46:47):
Issues that they quickly discovered was there was no Bill
of rights. And so James Madison wrote to Thomas Jefferson,
who was in Paris, and said, what do you think
of the Constitution? And Jefferson replied, I think there's a
number of defects with it, and the most notably of
them all is that there is no bill of rights
protecting the citizens' rights to freedom of speech and press

(47:10):
and so on. And so the founders and the framers
understood it as a working document is something that needs
to be improved on over time. But as different generations
have emerged and grappled with the Constitution, they all situated
in their own context and try to make sense of it.
What does the Constitution mean in the eighteen sixties amid

(47:32):
the Civil War, what does it mean during the Great
Depression as America's economy is collapsing, And what does it
mean in our own time? And so I think that's
the most helpful way to think about the Constitution and
whether it's dated or not. That they always used it
as a work in progress that could be improved on.
And it just depends on what generation or which generation

(47:52):
interprets it as something that should be set in stone
or something that can be improved on.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
It's very hard to make changes. Oh yeah, correct, so yeah, yeah,
that's a trick of it. Oakland University is waiting for you,
and it's very very good. I hope you don't mind.
We'll speak with you throughout the year. Nicholas Depuccio here,
the professor at Oakland Youth.

Speaker 21 (48:12):
Is an absolute pleasure to be here.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Thank you, Thank you.

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Speaker 3 (57:13):
On their Good Morning World Welcome back to Oakland University.
Michael Patrick Shields with you in Rochester and we just
got done speaking with the Dean of the Honors College,
Graham Harper, and now comes, as they say in the
legal business, the president of the university you've come to
know on this program, or a Hirsh Peskovitz, Doctor Peskovitz.
Lovely to see you again.

Speaker 37 (57:35):
It's so great to see you, Michael Patrick. I'm delighted
to be here with you. I'm so glad that you're
here at Oakland University.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
I'm glad to be admitted, even if it is just
for a few hours, because otherwise I have no shot.
You have three names. And as we look out the
window here at the campus, you'd like to see a
lot of names out there, wouldn't.

Speaker 37 (57:53):
You, I sure do. I want to see as many
as possible. But we've just named our first school, actually
our Honors College, just earlier this fall, and I'm so
very proud of it, thanks to Donna and Walt Young.
They gave us an extremely magnanimous gift, a ten million
dollar gift to name our fantastic Honors college. And I

(58:16):
understand you just interviewed the dean.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Yeah, he told me that it's possible to get a
five point three grade point average.

Speaker 37 (58:22):
Well, we have some amazing students, as you know. I
hope that's not great inflation though obviously.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Some very amazing donors. What possessed them, what inspired them
to do that?

Speaker 37 (58:33):
Well, they've been giving to the Honors College for quite
some time, and their prior gifts were mostly for global
experiences for students, to send students overseas to have opportunities
that they previously did not have, and that's been very
rewarding for them, and students come back and talk about
those incredible opportunities. Most of those have been Honor students,

(58:56):
and the Youngs have been inspired by that and they're
given And in a conversation that I had with them.
I challenged them and said, what more can you do
to leave a legacy for you that will make a
difference in perpetuity for students? And wanted to leave an
incredible legacy.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
What are some of the places you mean? They didn't
want to spend much money to buy a swimmer or
something like that, like people are giving the money to
schools now for athletes.

Speaker 37 (59:25):
Well, athletics is very important obviously, and it does really
change the culture of a university, So that's very important too.
But in their criteria, what mattered and what was important
to them, really promoting the Honors College was one of
the things that they saw as one of the most
valuable ways that they could really make a difference.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic because I find
it the whole name image and like this NCAA athletics
distasteful in my own opinion, It's not college sports anymore
to me. But let's not wander too far off. Let's
go back to these international destinations that you talked about.
The honors students were traveling to on foreign studies or

(01:00:10):
some sorts of experiences. Where do they go and how
do you vet where they go? And what do they
come back saying, Well.

Speaker 10 (01:00:18):
Our students can go all over the world.

Speaker 37 (01:00:21):
Very often it's through programs that the faculty are promoting
and engaging. So I'll give you an example. Our School
of Music, Theater and Dance take our corral students to
Eastern Europe where they perform in some of the most
amazing venues. These are performance venues and they're incredible. Our

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theater students go to Greece where they perform Greek plays
in the original locations where these Greek plays were performed.
We have students that go to Costa Rica where they
do studies on sustainability, so they go all over the world.
We have students that go to London to study the
royal family, and they go with faculty who have a

(01:01:07):
particular interest and knowledge and expertise on the countries that
the students are studying. So these are just amazing and
incredible experiences for our students, some of whom have never
even been outside of Michigan or even been on an
airplane before. So the support that donors provide to help
make these opportunities possible for our students are really extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Do you remember an experience you had early in life.
An international experience that inspired you.

Speaker 37 (01:01:38):
Well, I had a number of really interesting experiences. I
actually traveled overseas. I did an elective when I was
in medical school in cardiology at a hospital in Jerusalem,
and I saw patients from all over the world have
some of the most amazing surgical procedures that I had

(01:01:59):
never seen done anywhere else in the world. And they
had diseases that I had never seen in the United
States before. So this was a really amazing impactful experience
for me, both to see diseases that didn't exist in
the United States and then to see the procedures and
the therapies that were offered that we didn't have at

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my medical school.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Were you always a young, driven person?

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Maybe I would have to say probably.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
Well, then that leads to the question we were talking about
with the DAN a few minutes ago. Is it nature
or nurture? Are you born smart? Or can you learn
to be intelligent or to speak?

Speaker 37 (01:02:38):
First of all, I didn't say I was born smart.
You asked if I was born and driven. Yes, and
those are not necessarily the same thing. But I do
think that there is a component of both nature and nurture,
and I think people do have elements of both. I
was very fortunate to grow up in a remarkable family
with two parents who nurtured a lot of really incredible opportunities,

(01:03:02):
and in my family, education was something that was rewarded
and appreciated and promoted and expected. I think I did
grow up with a lot of remarkable opportunities because my
parents promoted it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Not everybody is that fortunate, and some of them find
their way here to college.

Speaker 37 (01:03:22):
That's true, and some of our students grow up as
first generation college students. I am a first generation college
students on my mother's side. But I think that the
students that come to Oakland who have incredible amounts of
social mobility, because many of them do not come from
privilege and from opportunities, get these extraordinary opportunities because they've

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been exposed to things that they never saw in their childhood,
and then that causes them to have ambition and want
to go out and do great things themselves. They do,
and that's one of the things that we're so.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Proud of that must be very rewarding, even at the
level of president, to be able to understand or experience
it is.

Speaker 37 (01:04:10):
It's one of the things that drew me to come
to Oakland University was knowing that we would have the
opportunity to impact students' lives in that very way.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
They keep in touch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yes, so many of them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Do keep in touch.

Speaker 37 (01:04:23):
It's so exciting to get a letter or an email
or Facebook from a student who graduated a few years
ago and to hear what they're continuing to do. And
occasionally they tell me that I've inspired them and that
I can't tell you how much that means to me
and how much it touches me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Yeah, I can only imagine. By the way, we're near
your office and I saw a picture of you in
a hammock with a bunch of students and it was
the sweetest thing. The president of the university and Brian
Bearley took the shot. You might have to get a
Pulitzer prize or something for that one.

Speaker 37 (01:04:52):
That's one of my favorite photos. When you go in
my office, I'll show you another one there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
Yeah, I bet it was one of your favorite moments too.

Speaker 28 (01:04:59):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
It's not too often that I wouldn't think that you
get to see the university president in a casual setting
like that, But you make your way around this campus
don't you.

Speaker 10 (01:05:07):
I do.

Speaker 37 (01:05:08):
I'm with students all the time and they all call
me Aura. They do, and they do, and they all
know who I am. And I'm very proud.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Of that you're doing the nurturing.

Speaker 37 (01:05:16):
Now well, I feel like you know, I have about
sixteen thousand children.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Thanks Mom, That's how I feel. Ura hirsh Pskovitz, who
also just recently became the board chair for the American
Association of State Colleges and Universities. Here at Oakland University.

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Jane's Addiction has announced they are breaking up. The band
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they recently reconvened to resolve their differences. Despite the reunion,
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Speaker 9 (01:08:13):
Live in their hearts.

Speaker 7 (01:08:15):
Former Chief people officer for Astronomer Kristen Cabot says she's
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Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
Cabot and ex Astronomer CEO Andy Byron are not dating,
despite creating an internet frenzy when they were caught getting
cozy at the concert. She confirmed the news while opening
up about her life after the incident with The New
York Times and admitted she made a bad decision and
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Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
Pete Davidson is now a dad. The Saturday Night Live
star and his girlfriend Elsie Hewitt announced over the summer
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You at, Davidson, that's entertainment.

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I'm jackling.

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Carl's adad gone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
I'm not.

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I don't know.

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Man's gone.

Speaker 12 (01:09:43):
John.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
So I found a cat on the loose, and that's
very dangerous most of the time. But I'm happy to
see her because it's holiday week, it's a holiday month,
and really life can be a holiday all the time
if you want it to be. But she is kat
Zamudo and you find her podcast cat on the loose.
That's why I said that. It's with a k by
the way, and we're sitting outside a place. Let me

(01:10:09):
set the scene for you. We're on a busy street,
holiday lights are up, and inside the door of this
yellow restaurant called Dantana's, there are people and they're having
drinks and they're being convivial, and they're eating pasta, and
they're talking. And some of them know each other, and
some of them are meeting each other and they're having conversation.

(01:10:30):
Some of them secretly are lonely, though, aren't they for sure?
They wouldn't tell you that, though, would they.

Speaker 12 (01:10:36):
You know, Well, it depends. Some people actually do. Say,
you know, this time of the year, like, doesn't anybody
ever call your radio show and say, Hi, I'm lonely,
because people who send me messages saying it's such a
lonely time of the year. I don't know what to
do with myself. So yeah, I think this is the
time that people actually, you know, blurred it out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
You talk about relationships on your podcast Cat on the Loose.
You can find it wherever you find podcasts and too,
et cetera. You know, there's a there's a song, it's
Louis Armstrong, What a Wonderful World? I love that song
And in the lyric he says friends shaking hands, saying
how do you do They're really saying I love you
in the way that they can do it. What about

(01:11:16):
the opposite, though, how do we watch for our brothers
and sisters and friends and people who are reaching out
to say I'm lonely during the holidays.

Speaker 9 (01:11:25):
Yeah, so this is what I would say.

Speaker 12 (01:11:26):
If you are feeling loned a holidays, The worst thing
you can do is like literally isolate yourself at home,
because it's just gonna increase that feeling. Put yourself out there,
like my mama used to say, pull yourself by the bootstraps,
make an effort and go out and about because guess what,
there are a lot of people out there feeling the
same way. So, for example, find out like a new

(01:11:48):
coffee shop in your neighborhood, you know, like a restaurant,
even if you don't want to spend money, like buy
a nice tea, buy a coffee and see it.

Speaker 20 (01:11:56):
Take your computer during the day.

Speaker 12 (01:11:58):
You might be shocked. Usually there are a lot of
people with the same vibe and you might end up
making new friends and you know it might surprise you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
There's an old phrase too, called if you want to
be a friend, or if you want to get a friend,
be a friend. Volunteering at this time of year can
put you in some very interesting circles as well, and
also give you a perspective.

Speaker 12 (01:12:20):
Oh my god, I love that you said that, myel,
because I completely agree with you. That's another thing that
I was going to say. If you don't have a family,
like I know a lot of people don't like I don't.
I only have a sister and a nephew in Florida,
so like this holiday, I'm alone. So this is exactly
what I do. Find out the closest shelter to you
and just go out there, Yeah, because it's gonna warm

(01:12:40):
up your heart and you're gonna be surrounded by a
lot of love.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
What's a good icebreaker to speak to someone when you're
intimidated to and when you're afraid to ask someone Maybe
you want to say hello, you're worried they're gonna reject
you or think maybe you're hitting on them or what
it might be.

Speaker 12 (01:12:58):
Smile.

Speaker 3 (01:12:59):
That's it.

Speaker 12 (01:13:00):
Smile. I always say, if you smile more, the world
treats you a different way.

Speaker 20 (01:13:08):
Just it breaks the eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
A smile is the great ambassador.

Speaker 12 (01:13:12):
Isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:13:13):
At least to me?

Speaker 12 (01:13:14):
Because I like when I walk around there see so
many people like so serious, and of course we all
have problems that we're so stressed out. But sometimes you
open a big smile and that person, like you know,
changes the way they treat you, and they might smile back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
I might suggest to you also in the book that
I wrote to travel Tatler and in other articles too,
a smile might be the sum of your conversation with
that person. In other words, yeah, that might be all
you have. You smile, they smile, and then that's it.
But it was a fun and meaningful.

Speaker 12 (01:13:49):
Moment, yes, exactly. So it sounds really silly, right, but
like the baby steps, because I think when people are
feeling lonely, of course you're focusing on the loneliness, right,
keep repeating that I'm alone, I'm so lonely, I'm so lone.

Speaker 9 (01:14:02):
So of course that increases.

Speaker 12 (01:14:04):
But if you put yourself out there and you shift
the mindset and you say, you know, let me try
to smile, let me help somebody else, maybe I'm going
to beat somebody who was in the same situation that
I am. All of a sudden, you're feeling better, and
you might make new friends and totally change the energy
around your holidays.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
I'll give you an example, since it's the holidays. I
was wearing my sometimes a red blazer. You know, you've
seen the yeah, And I was walking up the street
and there was a woman coming the other way and
she was very stylish. And as she was approaching me
and we were going to pass the only two people
on the street, all I said was stylish and all
she said was likewise, and we kept on going and

(01:14:44):
I'm like, that was really cool.

Speaker 12 (01:14:46):
I love that as well, like small gestures of kindness
walking down the street. If you see somebody looking sad
or too serious, if you can make a compliment, it
literally can change their day. Oh yes, it doesn't matter
how bad you feel about yourself, if you having a
tough day. If you're walking around then you see a
beautiful woman or somebody dressed up, you notice that somebody

(01:15:08):
did their.

Speaker 20 (01:15:08):
Nails or their hair, pass on the love and it.

Speaker 12 (01:15:11):
Just gets back to you. So I love that suggestion,
and I do that all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
By the way, very nice. Father Jake Folio was a
frequent guest on our program. He was a ninety year
old Italian priest, and he said, never ever pass another
human being without acknowledging even if it's just a nod
of the head, don't look the other way.

Speaker 12 (01:15:30):
Totally look smile or yeah, at least look at the
person and I yeah, and honestly, giving a stranger compliment.
I do that all the time, and when I see
they open a big smile and say, oh my god,
thank you. Like a lady walking to work and you
notice you put a lot of effort on her outfit. Yeah,
and you say, oh, why do you look so beautiful?
I love your jacket, I love your shoes. All of

(01:15:52):
a sudden, you change the tomb for her entire day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Why do we find that Cat on the Loose it's
Cat with a K podcast. It's one of the most
listened to and viewed podcasts in the world.

Speaker 12 (01:16:04):
Oh thank you, Michael. You find can Lose on all
platforms and your entire podcast, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and yes
we have video episodes on YouTube. And I hope everybody
has an amazing holiday season. And if you are feeling lonely,
put yourself out there, don't stay home alone.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Put on a happy face.

Speaker 12 (01:16:20):
Yes, so you don't have your face and it might
change your mood. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
Kat on the Loose podcast, Michael Patrick Shields, and there
she goes off into the night, morning, day. You can
get her anytime a year.

Speaker 8 (01:16:37):
Adobe is the latest AI innovator to get hit with
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the company stole her work to train Adobe's slim LM model.
Writer says that her lawsuit is seeking class action status.
Chinese hackers are operating freely inside a key Cisco product.
Cisco Secure Email, Gateway, Cisco Secure Email and Web Manager

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are the ones in when users have already enabled their
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and then rebuild the affected software. The oscars are headed
to YouTube once their current contract expires at ABC. The
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences agree to a
multi year deal that gives YouTube the exclusive global rights

(01:17:19):
to the Academy Awards. Beginning in twenty twenty nine, the
one hundred and first annual OSCAR Ceremony will be shown
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Speaker 35 (01:17:34):
I'm Mark Mayfield, Michigan's Big Show starring Michael Patrick.

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Shields Trusty Hill's teaches at the University of Michigan.

Speaker 36 (01:17:42):
And Republicans are well timed to take the state back.
Somebody has got to distinguish themselves and position themselves and
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Speaking of complicated, the Ryan Duffy Enbridge Energy interviews that
you've heard over the years about the creation of the
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fact we're built by the same company that built the bridge.
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Speaker 40 (01:18:38):
So as we've talked about the core put out a
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(01:19:01):
of their process. They want to be thorough. It doesn't
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to get to this point has gone on for five
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Speaker 16 (01:20:40):
The Trump administration has until midnight to release files related
to Jeffrey Epstein. That deadline set under the Epstein Files
Transparency Act passed by Congress last month. Epstein, who committed
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(01:21:01):
suspected Brown University shooter and at Thursday night in New Hampshire,
Jennifer paul Sony has the latest.

Speaker 17 (01:21:08):
The suspected Brown University shooter found dead from a self
inflicted gunshot wound inside a storage facility in Salem, New Hampshire.

Speaker 20 (01:21:15):
Providence Police Chief Oscar Perez, who's a.

Speaker 18 (01:21:17):
Brown student, who's a Portuguese national, and he's last name
Noan Andrews was in Miami, Florida, and I will tell
you that he took his own life tonight.

Speaker 17 (01:21:26):
The suspect found dead with a satchel and two firearms
in his car, had evidence that matched the scene in
Providence where two people were killed nine others injured in
the university shooting that took place Saturday.

Speaker 20 (01:21:37):
Providence Mayor Brett Smiley.

Speaker 19 (01:21:39):
Tonight, our Providence neighbors can finally.

Speaker 10 (01:21:41):
Breathe a little easier.

Speaker 20 (01:21:43):
I'm Jennifer Bulsony.

Speaker 10 (01:21:44):
Washington's Kennedy Center is getting a new name.

Speaker 16 (01:21:47):
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt saying the center's boards
voted unanimously to rename it the Trump Kennedy Center. Levitt
says that's due to the unbelievable work President Trump has
done over the last year in saving the building. A
bill that aims to speed up infrastructure and energy projects
is headed to the Senate. The Speed Act past the

(01:22:07):
House Wednesday. It's expected to bolster infrastructure projects by decreasing
the amount of scrutiny their environmental impacts face. A bipartisan
group of lawmakers has been working for years to strike
a deal on the matter. Reports say to get Republican
hardliners on board a deal. This version's passed with the
addition of a new anti wind amendment, though that edition

(01:22:28):
could make it more difficult to secure passage in the Senate.

Speaker 10 (01:22:31):
Scott car NBC News Radio.

Speaker 15 (01:22:35):
A Danish study is shedding light on warning signs for
Alzheimer's disease. The study, published in the journal Nature, focused
on blood samples taken from participants ages fifty seven and up.
It looked for the buildup of toxic proteins in the brain,
which are a major indicator for the potential development of Alzheimer's.
Researchers say there were abnormal findings in less than eight

(01:22:57):
percent of participants ages sixty five to sixty nine, but
more than sixty percent of people in their nineties. The
study also contradicted the widely held belief that Alzheimer's is
a female dominant problem, and the study shows that reading
for pleasure among Americans has dropped by forty percent over
the last two decades. Researchers at the University of Florida

(01:23:19):
and University College London did a reading survey published in
the journal Science. Health Experts say study show reading reduces stress,
improves cognitive skills, and helps with relaxation. Health Update. I'm
Sarah Lee Kessler.

Speaker 21 (01:23:55):
Badgeture.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
We were talking about cars just a minute ago and
the new Consumer Reports rankings and the business that took
place at the White House with Jim Farley from Ford
and some of the automotive and transportation leaders. It's US
Senator Bernie Moreno said that the United States should quit
trying to compete with China on electric vehicles, and that

(01:24:21):
sparked a debate over what direction the nation's auto industry
should take. He said, we were ahead of them by
a mile, by ten miles on the internal combustion engine.
They went into EV's and they convinced the Western world
to go into EV's and play their game.

Speaker 36 (01:24:38):
And that was just a.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Rational, dumb policy. That's his idea, that's his strategy for
what it's worth, and it continues to be an intriguing
topic for those of us here in Michigan, those of
us who relate to the auto industry because everybody does.
If you live in Michigan, you're somehow dependent on the
auto buil business. There's just no way about it. MPs

(01:25:02):
with you through the AT and T microphones. Government watchdog
is investigating whether the Federal Housing Finance Agency Director Bill
Poulty abused his position to level allegations of mortgage fraud
at President Donald Trump's political opponents. The Government Accountability Office

(01:25:24):
is looking into it. Poulty is the grandson of William Poulty,
the founder of the fortune five hundred home construction company,
The Poulty Group, which he founded at the age of
eighteen and nineteen fifty in a bungalow near Detroit City Airport,
which he ended up selling for ten thousand dollars. Poulty
Homes is now known as the Poulty Group and was

(01:25:47):
incorporated in nineteen fifty six in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, and
they were headquartered here until they moved to Atlanta, Georgia
in twenty fourteen. So if that name sounds familiar, well
it should. You might remember last year I was fooling
around with fake one hundred dollars bills. What was I

(01:26:07):
What do you mean by that? Well, I had a
pile of them because I appeared in a commercial for
a Russian casino and they had it was like a
snow globe. They had a big Cadillac and a guy
in a fur coat, and these one hundred dollar bills
were flying all around the set with those wind devices.
So I scooped up a whole bunch of them, because
they look very real, but if you look closely, they
say for motion picture use only. So I would pass

(01:26:32):
them around to friends and surprise them or take them
to the bar, you know, and then people be shocked.
I gave him one hundred. Or George Nori, the radio
host who precedes me on Coast to Coast, I gave
him a whole pile of them when he got home
after a losing trip to Las Vegas, and he was
so excited he thought I gave him two thousand dollars.
He looked closely and it says for motion picture use only. Well.

(01:26:53):
The Alpina Police Department is warning the public in the
news today about fraudulent money that somehow has been making
its way all the way to Alpina, and they say
it looks very authentic. It could blend in well with
real currency. But if you look closely, it says for
motion picture use only. I don't think I don't think

(01:27:15):
it was one of my funny monies that made it
all the way to Alpina. But there is Kirk Squire's
and he does go to Alpina, and he is the
kind of guy I would have played the trick on.
So mia maxima culpa. I don't think it was me.
But okay, wait, you know what Ted Cruz was talking about,
Donald Trump by in the Oval Office giving us all

(01:27:38):
a head start the minute we're born when it comes
to our finances. Here's the idea.

Speaker 41 (01:27:44):
Starting on July fourth, every child in America will have
a personal investment account opened for them. Newborn children will
have it seated with one thousand dollars. Parents and family
and employers can contribute up to five thousand a year
in a tax advantage account. That money will be invested
in the S and P five hundred and the stock
market broad based Equity Index account. Two massive benefits that

(01:28:08):
change this country. Number One, every child in America will
experience the benefits of compound growth. Take a little girl
born next year. She's born next year, she has the
account opened for her one thousand dollars is automatically seated.
Her parents or family or an employer puts five thousand
a year.

Speaker 32 (01:28:26):
Each year into that account.

Speaker 41 (01:28:28):
If you assume the historic rate of growth of the
S and P five hundred, which is seven percent a year,
by the time that little girl is eighteen, she will
have one hundred and seventy thousand dollars in that account.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
We turned to David Hall for Matters Financial, and you
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him yourself at eight sixty six Call Hall or call
Hall for What do you make of that idea?

Speaker 42 (01:29:04):
Well, first of all, Michael Patrick, we have a lot
to unpack here. Every every morning when I turn on
your show, not only am I informed, I'm I'm entertained.
I love your show, and I just want to say that,
you know, you printing money and it making its way
to Alpina is really something else. So we've got to
do a deep dive into that. The other thing that

(01:29:25):
we got to talk about is, you know, I just
find government Accountability Office. I remember when when in golf
we made the switch from woodwoods to metal woods, and
I love the term metal wood. That's like government accountability,
you know what I mean, It's like, okay, what is that?
Uh So, anyway, just a lot of great stuff here.

(01:29:47):
I think it's a tremendous idea. Of course, I mean,
who who wouldn't think that's a great idea? It seems
to me like a little political posturing only because like
how are you going to fund all this? I mean,
you know, every great idea about giving somebody something for
nothing and then goes to where would we fund it?
But I mean, obviously the idea of starting out all

(01:30:10):
children with a little bit of a financial head start
so that they can understand and I think he put
it well, how compound interest works is tremendous if we
could figure out how to do it. I think that
there's a lot of a lot of devil in the
details there.

Speaker 43 (01:30:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
I gave an eighth grade graduation speech once and I
gave everybody in the crowd a dollar and I said,
you know, try to scrape up a dollar every day
from your parents, change or whatever you can do. This
will give you a little start. So it was a
cute idea, and I don't know how many of them
bothered or whatever. But you know, one thing that Ted
Cruz presumes is that people can put five thousand in

(01:30:48):
there every year when he did his fuzzy math. That's
not so easy for everybody to just automatically give their
child five thousand a year.

Speaker 42 (01:30:56):
Yeah, no, very difficult. But I think it does speak
to a couple of really interesting points, and one is,
you know, if you can save early in life and
you can let it sit there, you know, the rule
of sum I think is every seven or eight years
it's going to double. So I mean, just like that's
an extremely powerful tool over your lifetime. Similarly, most people
the best debt vehicle that they have is their mortgage.

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It's the lowest interest rate that you're going to get
your home mortgage, and in ninety some percent of cases
it is tax deductible, so you get a break there.
So you're let's call it your six and a half
percent mortgage. Your ineffect rate is in the fives after
you get your text deduction. You can't borrow money that
cheap anywhere else. And so I think that us educating

(01:31:41):
people on turning their bad debt into good debt is
really powerful, especially the time where credit card debt is
at an all time high. It just keeps going up
and up, and so for people that want to, you know,
take that one point three trillion that's the national number
on credit card debt, move it over to a whole
Mechery line or their first mortgage, it's just going to

(01:32:03):
save them a ton of money and interest in. Anybody
out there that's thinking about that needs to give us
a call so we can walk you through the numbers
to see if it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
That would be, for instance, a cash out refinance where
you could take that money and put it against your
other debt because it's at such a low US.

Speaker 42 (01:32:19):
Right, that's right. You got one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars mortgage. Now your home might be worth three hundred thousand.
You bracked up forty or forty five thousand in credit
card debt. The holidays are coming, you can get a
two hundred thousand dollars mortgage.

Speaker 3 (01:32:32):
He's got the math figured out. Eight sixty six call haul.

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Speaker 8 (01:34:40):
NBC News Radio, I'm Mark Mayfield. The clock is ticking
on the Trump administration to release the long awaited Jeffrey
Epstein files by midnight to night. The deadline comes under
a new transparency law passed by Congress to make public
the records that are tied to the late sex offender.
President Trump is using marijuana restrictions.

Speaker 25 (01:34:58):
Lisa Carton has the story signed an executive order switching
the drug from a Schedule one to a Schedule three,
reclassifying it as less dangerous.

Speaker 13 (01:35:07):
It does it legalize marijuana in any way, shape or form,
and in no way sanctions it's use as a recreational drug.

Speaker 25 (01:35:15):
Instead, Trump said it will help many Americans dealing with
extreme pain and other serious medical conditions. Marijuana has been
in the same category as heroin, ecstasy, and LSD. I'm
Lisa Carton and.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
The Kennedy Center is getting a new name after its
board voted to rebrand it as the Trump Kennedy Center.
Mark Mayfield, NBC News Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Karen Newman from Detroit.

Speaker 11 (01:35:50):
Memb Snowman and Theliday Lights, Lowly City Spoky is Christmas Eve.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
She sang the national anthem at the Red Wing Games
for many, many, many years. This is Karen Newman singing
about the holidays in downtown Detroit. If you're going to
visit Detroit, visit detroit dot com can get you all
set for your trip there, and most surely part of
that trip will include what word avenue for Christmas. Well,

(01:36:38):
it might also include the Ralph Wilson Park and the Riverwalk,
though you'll have to bundle up to do it. It's
a winter wonderland in Detroit and Claude Molinari from Visit
Detroit can tell us exactly how to find that riverwalk,
where to start, and maybe in our earbuds we could
listen to Karen Newman while we do it. Right, Claude, they.

Speaker 43 (01:36:56):
Can start at Belleisles or start at the far end
right by the Ambassador Bridge. Everywhere in between on the
Riverwalk is spectacular. The Ralph Wilson Centennial Park is right
next to the current post office down by the Ambassador Bridge,
but it is beautiful. But all along the whole Riverwalk
from Blade Park to Cohen Plaza to where the Gilbert

(01:37:18):
family put in the Pirate Ship, that's a great water park.

Speaker 40 (01:37:21):
During the summer, the riverwalk is just spectacular.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
It couldn't be better. God Almighty, Claude Mullin are hit
the posts with Tony Couthford at the orchestra there. That
was incredible. Welcome to the city of Detroit. It's Michael
Patrick Shields and of course we broadcast there from time
to time. As we are in December and speaking of Detroit,

(01:37:48):
Detroit returns to Formula one. Racing Ford has made a deal,
as we heard when we broadcast from Las Vegas from
the Formula one race with Red Bull. They will be
very involved and we are scheming to broadcast next from
the Miami Formula one race. But Cadillac has spent billions,
literally hundreds of millions of dollars and more to get

(01:38:11):
back into F one. And I'm told Tony Cuthbert that
the Cadillac is going to reveal when they talk about
the Livery, does that mean the drivers?

Speaker 35 (01:38:22):
It's the car itself. I know it's a weird word
to use, but it's a British sport mainly, so they
call the car the livery. The design, what the car
is going to look like, that's what you can expect
to see.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
Okay, Well they are going to reveal that during the
super Bowl, yeah, February eight. About that. What a place
to do it. They are really really spending the money
to get this done. And I'm a super Bowl commercial
like that, I presume they mean a commercial. Maybe they're
going to be on the field. Who knows what's possible

(01:38:55):
these days with the glitz and glamour of all that.
And it's it's a Ford Motor company. They're going to
do an event at the train station during the Auto Show.
As I understand it in January. The Detroit Auto Show
has moved back to January, and that's when fordably making
a big announcement and that will be what used to
be at the dilapidated train station that's now part of

(01:39:16):
the Ford Motor Company. So American cars returned to prominence,
at least in Formula one, and we say congratulations to
them for that. A senator who really really seems to
want to be prominent these days, and by the way,
she's looking different, she's sounding like a national candidate. Is

(01:39:40):
Michigan's US Senator Alyssa Slockkin. And if you've seen her
videos lately, she's been on I don't know she's on
the job or what the deal is. It's not polite
to ask, I guess, but she's motivated and she's on
the move, and she's talking about Democrats, not just in Michigan,
across the nation. She's sounding like a Democrat leader, and

(01:40:04):
she seems to be sounding like one that is more
what's the word practical. Some Democrats are out there talking
about fringe sort of issues and being very radical. This
is US senator, Democrat from Michigan, Alyssa Slotkin talking about
Democrats and what they have to do to win elections

(01:40:28):
and what's important.

Speaker 12 (01:40:30):
To you and me.

Speaker 47 (01:40:33):
We won up and down the chamber. We won seats
in Mississippi, we won places in.

Speaker 20 (01:40:38):
Georgia we have never won before.

Speaker 47 (01:40:40):
We won all across the country, and particularly did well
with independence and swing voters. But we had the big
stars of the night right. We had Abigail, We had
Mikey Cheryl in New Jersey, and we had mister Mamdani
in Manhattan.

Speaker 10 (01:40:55):
Right.

Speaker 47 (01:40:57):
And I think the way that I sew it up
and explain what happened is that it could not be
more clear what the country is hungry for, what the
country is demanding of us.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
It's two things.

Speaker 47 (01:41:11):
And for all the elected officials in the room, we
either hear this or we lose.

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
Right.

Speaker 47 (01:41:16):
The number one issue, whether you're in Manhattan or Kansas
or Michigan, is the cost of living and the American
dream and whether that dream is there for our kids
and our grandkids. It is the galvanizing issue. We could
have lots of differences on lots of issues, but that
issue is driving people. And then the second issue that

(01:41:37):
is driving people, and you saw it on full display,
is that people want a new generation of leaders who
think differently and work differently.

Speaker 13 (01:41:48):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
She's picked up that tick of saying right in the
middle of the sentences where she's looking for affirmation from
the audience, but they don't really get a chance to
give it. She gives it for them. So she's started
of its words in our mouth. Have you ever noticed
people doing that now? When they give talks and on
TV interviews and things like that, they'll be, you know,
right giving an answer and they say the word right,

(01:42:10):
you know, right in the middle. I don't know, I
kind of pay attention to these sorts of things. But
there Alyssa Slotkin's talking about, you know, the two things
that she thinks Democrats should focus on. Will they is
another matter? And what will happen here in Michigan. If
you look at the polling right now, it looks like
we're going to have another Democrat governor, or are we

(01:42:31):
It's a toss up now. And Mike Duggan, the mayor
of Detroit. We just mentioned the city of Detroit running
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Speaker 28 (01:44:39):
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Speaker 48 (01:45:45):
Seen in the past how much we've had to basically
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not competitive in our energy costs. People aren't moving to
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businesses come to Michigan and create jobs because our energy
costs out of control.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
Speaking of your wallet and what you pay for prescriptions
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Speaker 49 (01:46:15):
Competition, as we all know, lowers price the more competitors
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Speaker 8 (01:48:30):
NBC News Radio. I'm Mark Mayfield. The clock is ticking
on the Trump administration to release the long awaited Jeffrey
Epstein files by midnight to night. The deadline comes under
a new transparency law passed by Congress to make public
the records that are tied to the late sex offender.
President Trump is using marijuana restrictions. Lisa Carton has the story.

Speaker 25 (01:48:49):
He signed an executive order switching the drug from a
Schedule one to a Schedule three, reclassifying it as less dangerous.

Speaker 13 (01:48:57):
He does it legalize marijuana and shape or form, and
in no way sanctions its use as a recreational dread.

Speaker 25 (01:49:05):
Instead, Trump said it will help many Americans dealing with
extreme pain and other serious medical conditions.