* Frank Gaffney, President of the Institute for the American Future, former Reagan Pentagon official

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
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microphones and next on the radio stage as someone who

(01:31):
was watching very closely yesterday what took place in the
swamp in the Nation's capital in Washington, DC. He's a
former Reagan Pentagon official and founder of the Center for
Security Policy. His name is Frank Gaffney, welcome to the airwaves, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Good morning, Great to be with you.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Kind of impressive, wasn't it that the world leaders dropped
everything after the Alaska summit, and a couple of days
later everybody flew into town to show support for peace,
or to show support for Zolenski, or to show support
for Trump. What were they doing there?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I think probably they wanted to be seen, for one
thing involved in this negotiating thrash, to render support for Zelenski,
who the last time he was in the Oval office
fared poorly, and to have a piece of a say

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in what comes next. And the piece involves, presumably primarily
two things. One the amount of land that Zolenski is
compelled to seed permanently to putin the man who perpetrated

(02:50):
this invasion of course one en point Two what kinds
of arrangements will be put into place to prevent him
from taking more of Ukraine in the future.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
This is going to sound funny, but like what it
felt like to me when I saw the optics of
it all in the morning. At first I thought maybe
it was kind of like, what is that call when
you're an alcoholic and you gather all your friends together
and you say, Okay, here's the reality of it all.
At intervention, were they going to try to tell Zelensky like,

(03:24):
all right, you know, we know this and this, but
here's the real realistic thing of it all? Was that
kind of what the deal was? Whose idea was it
to get these world leaders all together like that? It's
a pretty smart idea, it seemed like to me.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I'm not entirely clear. I suspect that Zelensky was a
prime mover behind it, but I think the French or
any of the others, again for the reasons I mentioned,
you know, wanting to be seen as there. And I'm
not so sure that the intervention was aimed at Zelensky
so much as it was at Trump in the hope
that they would prevent him from telling Zelenski that he

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was going to have to essentially accept the Russians terms.
But you know, if I may, Michael Patrick, there seems
to me to be a piece of this that's missing
from the negotiations and from the discussion about the negotiations
and the endless commentary about it all, and that is,
you know, here we have the president of the United States,

(04:26):
I think, to his credit, manfully working to put out
the fire. If you'll accept my metaphor here, it's engulf
Ukraine ever since the Russian dictator invaded it Intebuary twenty
twenty two, and he's concentrating properly on not just containing
the flames that are still raging after that matter, but

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also to prevent a wider conflagration. The question that is
missing from all of this is what about the arsonists
and the arsenal I would argue is the man who
probably instigated the invasion of Ukraine, clearly green lighted it
and is certainly enabling the war that has slowed from it,

(05:12):
and that would be China's tyrant, Jijingpeng and his strategic
arsen There Michael Patrick, not only unfortunately now in Ukraine,
but also in the Middle East, has principally benefited, if
you think about it, the Chinese Communist Party. They've gotten
cheap oil, they've gotten arm sales, and they sowed chaos

(05:34):
that is distracted and depleted the chief firefighter, which is
Awes of course, and now she is in the process
of sparking a conflict. I fear a war with the
Philippines beginning to take advantage of the arson that he
has set elsewhere, and if that doesn't get stopped, I

(05:55):
fear that what is in prospect here is not just
more bloodshed in Ukraine or more bloodshed in Ukraine and
Middle East, or maybe even in parts of Asian South
China see and so on, but not World War three maybe,
but World War G. So this is the part of
this that I think is desperately in need of attention,

(06:18):
as we are focused narrowly on one aspect of it
and it's not getting that attention so far. So thank
you for allowing me to broaden the lens here.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
That's chess while everyone's playing Checkers.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
Big time or Glow as they call it. You know,
this is a Chinese advanced checkers and their thinking strategically,
and that's the trouble is we may be at Checkers,
the Silly Winks for that matter, and they are moving
inexorably towards I think a very frightening things. We did

(06:54):
a program last Friday, what's that called Present Danger China
dot org. That's about what they are doing to advance
an unrestricted warfare against US in space, and Maria Bardi
Rooma did a wonderful special in this. The other day.
But you know, this is the kind of thing that
is being obscured by our focus on some of the distractions.

(07:19):
But these are people on the march, and I'm not
saying that Chinese people necessarily, but I'm saying the Chinese
Communist Party, and we've got to be paying attention to
that too.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Just a minute and a half left, Frank Kaffney with
the Center for Security Policy. But why wouldn't the Chinese
take this time to go ahead and scoop up Taiwan?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Actually, let me just say, with the Institute for the
American Future, now not the Center, but it was there
for many years. I fear that they are in fact
preparing to scoop up Taiwan. But again, the strategy I
think may call for another distraction out in the reach,
and that sets the stage four. What the GUS commander

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in a Pacific Command has said is what they're doing
with respect to Taiwan is not exercises. There rehearsals for
the invasion that is probably coming. And just to add
a final touch to it, you know, we've got probably
some estimates one hundred thousand Chinese soldiers in our country,

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which could make a mess of things here too, if
they decide to really turn up the heat. So all
of these are things that we've got to have the
President focusing on and the American people supporting him in
doing so.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Are she and Putin collaborating back channel?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Then she is the senior partner, Putting very much the
junior partner, and what's called the no limits partnership, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Thanks for opening our eyes. Frank Gaffney, former Reagan Pentagon official.
We will keep in touch