After the Millennium - Documentary Team

The Millennium Group Sessions Redux returns with a brand new episode featuring the team behind the documentary. Executive Producer Troy L. Foreman, Director/Editor Jason D. Morris and Associate Producer Andrew Shelton.

Hosts - Troy L. Foreman 

Special guest - Jason D. Morris & Andrew Shelton

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
After a decade, the time is now, the wave is
becoming title. Join us in the campaign for the return
of FBI criminal profiler Frank Black and Millennium. This is
the back to Frank Black Millennium Group Sessions, My friends,

(00:26):
this is who we are.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You guys ready?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, So everyone, welcome back to the Millennium Group Sessions podcasts.
We are going to talk about the Millennium documentary today,
but we have some very exciting news to talk about.
But before we get to that, I want the members
of the team to just introduce themselves and what they were,
what they were doing, and how they were involved with
the doc. So Jason, We're going to start with you.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Sir, well, Jason Morris, and I was Troy's little whipping
boy through most of the ration of his top. Now
I'm told them the director and the editor of the project.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
And second is mister Andrew Shelton. Andrew, can you introduce
yourself and tell us a little bit about how you
got involved.

Speaker 5 (01:19):
Andrew Shelton began working on the documentary by creating the
opening credits for the doc and then eventually moved on
to doing some promotional videos and stuff for the release
of the dock and then ended up becoming the associate producer.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I'm curious, Jason, when I first came to you about
this project, what were your initial thoughts when I said, Hey,
I want to do a millennium documentary Because we were
kind of winding down with the back to Frank Blackpot campaign.
You knew a little bit about that, and we decided
I wanted to go out with something really, really big.
And initially we thought we were going to do a
comic book, but I kind of changed that and went
into the documentary thing.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
And what did you think when I came to you
about that?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Well, I think when I I think before you came
to me, I had like pitched it to you, and
I think you were playing it kind of close to
the chest and you're just kind of auh, yeah, we
already got something in the works kind of thing. I
was like, oh, okay. So when you when you finally
like officially kind of came to me, I was like,
I was super excited. I thought I thought it was

(02:26):
a great idea. I thought the timing was pretty good.
There was a lot of excitement. You like, you know
Lance's page and you know he was he was doing
a lot of work, and there was a lot of
interviews going on about a millennium, and it just seemed
like it was a really good time for it.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Andrew, and when we approached you about the documentary, how
did you feel and what did you think?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Because because you.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Were one of the people I remember, I always took
notes when people followed us on you know, back to
Frank Black campaign and you listen to our podcasts and
stuff like that. You were always involved somehow with the campaign,
so I always made notes of certain people, and you
were one of the people that I made notes about.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
I was super excited. I definitely was trying to get
back into finding out more about the series and kind
of where where the fandom was with it, because you know,
I hadn't really rewatched it for a while, and I
just kind of came back to it. I discovered, you know,
your campaign, and from there I just was all in.

(03:29):
I just I was really excited to kind of see
more of kind of what the cast and crew was doing.
And then when the idea of the the actual doc
came up, I was just like, yes, I was all in.
And when you guys open it up to do the
opening credits, contests. I just I really wanted to kind

(03:51):
of go one hundred percent into that and be a
part of the project.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
You mentioned opening credits, Jason, do you remember the moment
you and I were We were in a hotel in Vancouver,
I think, and we were looking at the we were
picking the winner of the contest.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And we immediately thought this is the guy.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah, man, it was. It was pretty exciting because you
could see all of the stuff that you actually shot,
you know what I mean, like and recreate it and
that was super impressive. Even like there was a few
other ones that were pretty good. I can't remember his
name at the moment, but the guy that had the
full on like Gehinna costume or whatever, the demon costume

(04:35):
and like here's there was some and that was pretty
impressive too. But the level of like heart that went
into your version was mind blowing. Never expected anybody to
take that kind of time and that effort, you know,
from from just the homage shots to U. Just the

(05:01):
feel and the vibe, the color correction, the just the
everything about it was just spot on perfect.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
He had me when he had the initial shot with
the girls in the moon with the moon shot and
she drops her arms and she bends over and drops
her arm.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
You had me right there, dude. That was perfect.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Yeah. It's like it's like as you watching it, every everything,
it just keeps getting better, you know, like given the
watch dropping into the water, there's so many great things.
The paper dub, the the clown, the blocks, like all
that stuff was just like.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
There was a lot of a lot of thought process
going into that because I just I was really trying
to find things that, like you said, it kind of
was homage to the original open credits, but also something
that kind of tied to a little bit of the
series in general. So I definitely had a lot of

(05:56):
fun kind of putting all that together.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, you got to tell me, you got to tell
us about that watch shot because you and I talked
about it and how many times they took.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You get that right?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Oh yeah, that's you know, because Jason kind of knows this.
You kind of go into a little bit of a
gorilla style shoogar ding when you're you're doing everything with
no budget. So I basically had a table set up
with a picture of water and this watch that I

(06:27):
don't even know where I bought it, but it was
basically sending the camera up and just drop. Okay. I
didn't really like that. How that draw? So I pulled
back out drop Okay, that was a little bit better. So,
you know, it was a big process. Yeah, I probably
spent a good hour on that one. But I think

(06:48):
the final shot came out pretty well.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Jason, I noticed this, Oh, go ahead, you're gonna say something.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh, it's just perfect. The shot came out perfect. It's great.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
I know, Jason, you and I were working on this
documentary together, Like the first major part of it was
just you and I just you know, get to go
into hotels shooting interviews and stuff like that. And I
know this is kind of a big question, but is
there anything that stands out to you on the top
of your head as far as interviews go. Doing interviews,
I can think of Tom Tom coming in with his notes.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
There almost every single interview because they were so unique,
you know, like Tom or even Rich with bringing in
like uh, you know, Goodbye Charlie script that.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Yeah, just there's so many like personal opportunities that we
were able to like experience with these guys. And Tom
is so and he's such a kickback, cool dude. The
sunglasses and leather jacket. But man, when he gets going,
he's so animated and and his memories and things that

(07:57):
he's discussing. It's it's hilarious. And he went on forever
and I don't know, it's just even like a Chip
was really great to interview as well, because you could
just see like the passion as these things are coming
back up, you know, in memory. But I mean, it

(08:18):
was cool to to visit Robert on you know, on set.
I think it was a Fox or effects set or
something like that. That was really cool. Being thrown a
curveball with shooting uh kay and Aaron you know, only

(08:39):
you know, being ready for a single setup, you know,
and then happened to do like we went from a
single camera to a three camera set up. So that
wasn't fun, but it is memorable. He's shooting Sarah Jane
and the church. You know, there's there's just so so
much that he had the opportunity to do, you know,

(09:03):
even you know, being in Chris's office and I think
it was Malibu or something like that or I can't
remember i V or something like that. But yeah, just
really just really amazing opportunities and experiences.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
With these people thinking about there's a couple that come
to mind thinking about Chris. We were setting up and
we were getting ready and we were talking to like
his assistants and stuff, and Chris was like a little late,
and then he comes walking in with his dog.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I guess, I guess he just came from the beach.
I think that's really yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
That's when we were sallid he was coming back from
surfing or something like that.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
So the whole time we're doing an interview with him,
his dog is like running around.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
We're doing an interview and he.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Has like a really huge one at the time and
a really small one with a juxtaposition.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Now, I came in late after the interview interview process.
How long did you guys have to really get all
those done?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
We spent what a week each? A week in California
and a week in Vancouver.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Yeah, right, well I think that we did so. I
think we did La twice and we did Vancouver once ONUNS. Yeah,
and then we had to shoot Troy. You did out
and I came.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I flew to North Carolina for one day just huge
John Kennismi area.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Yeah, and then me and Joe went back to La,
I think to do spot nets and uh yeah and yeah,
and then there was another another more recent shoot.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
The lucky thing about it is is like when we
shot in Vancouver, when we shot in La those first weeks,
we had a bunch of people in those areas, so
it was pretty easy to get everyone. It was just
coordinating time, you know what I mean. And Jason, you know,
when we did any we figured maybe fifteen twenty minutes
with each person, but they turned into forty five minutes.

(11:05):
Some like an hour. Tom tom Wright was about an
hour because he came in with a note notebook of
just uppy one to talk about.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
And becomes a logistical thing too, because it's like, oh,
I'm starting to fill up cards, you know, because it's digital,
and it's like, okay, so now I'm got to manage it.
I'm thinking, like, you know, I got five cards that'll
probably last me the whole entire shoot. But you know,
you burn through like there or four of them through
one person, it's like uh oh.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and you had go ahead.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Sorry, Yeah, I think I think we had about a
week or so. Each Each shoot was about a week,
and it was just sometimes it'd be one or two
people a day or you know, one person to day,
whatever it is. And uh yeah, I mean I'm thinking
on an average or about an hour or so. But
they were they went much longer than expected, you know.
I think maybe our shortest one might have been Chris

(11:57):
William like and that was pretty cool being able to
sit in the edit.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think he was editing grim yeah, grim, Yeah, Yes,
that was cool to sit there and watch that and
see that.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, that was really cool.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
I think we spent more time just talking to him
outside of the interview than the actual interview. I think
he's just because he was nervous, but.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, but we still got some good stuff from him.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
Oh, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
And it was funny. Sarah j Redmond, you know, she
she called me and she said, Hey, you know what
would be really really cool if we shot my interview
in a church? That would be awesome. And I looked
at Jason, I'm like, where are we going to find
at church?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Got the window, Troy.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
It just happened when we were Vancouver.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
We just happened to be right across the street from
this huge church and they just happened to be having
an opening And what is it in it?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
What do you call it when you invite people over
like opening day or something like that.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
And Jason and I just randomly walked over there and
just started talking to them, and they said, hey, you
guys want some cookies having people just walk around the church,
and we explained what we wanted to do, and they's like, oh, yeah,
people filmed here before they filmed Supernatural. Here, they filmed
this movie that movie. And we're like, yeah, we'd really
like to shoot an interview in here and explain what
was going on. And they were actually really cool about it.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
I think it was Ursula was your name.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Yeah, so thanks, Ursula, I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
It, Like you don't normally we charge this amount of
money to use our facilities, but we'll give you guys
an hour for free.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
Yeah, because they shot a ton of big budget stuff
and they said like Wolverine or one of a bunch
of stuff, you know, And I've seen it on TV
a few times.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Yeah, I was just singing that I've been doing a
rewatch of Supernatural and I came across an episode it
was like, that looks like the church that you guys
did the sar Jay and interview, and yeah, I think
actually they mentioned supernatural.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yep they did. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, And then, like Jason said, we had the chance
to interview Robert McLachlin on the set of Ray Donovan,
which was really cool.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
What else Chris Carter at his office.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
A lot of the interviews we did just in our
motel rooms set a nose up.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
Oh, it was so fine. I remember the white little
uh coming up and like we were in this like, uh,
I think it was an Airbnb. I don't think it
was a hotel.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
He was in Hollywood.

Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, I had this tiny little rickety like elevator. Every
time we got into him, we're like, oh, right, but
I guess the white has a I don't know. I
wouldn't call it a fear maybe, but maybe it's like
a claustrophoby or something like that.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
He came up and he was just like, oh my god,
Oh my god. And I think he had his wife
was one of them or whatever. And I think they had
to take the stairs. It's kind of like a staircase
or something. When they left, it felt bad.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
It was like this old rickety fucking airbnb. The air
condition it didn't work. Remember how hot it was in
there when we oh yeah, that's crazy. Not as hot
as you at sweating to death of the Ted banning
of you.

Speaker 4 (15:01):
Oh man, I'm telling you. Yeah, that was that was
just an odd That was a yeah, that was a
rough one all together. The VR goggles, Yeah that was cool.
He he uh. I guess he was testing out some
VR goggles from Microsoft and so they like sent him
a set with like some games or whatever so you
can try to come up with ideas that I don't

(15:23):
know what the fuck for, but he was pretty excited
about it. And I had never used i mean back
in the like nineties when VR like sort of like
in the late eighties early nineties, but uh, this is
completely different. Put them things on, man, and like these
aliens start like busting through the wash. It was crazy
because it was so immersive. But yeah, I was that
was fun. And then the interview was like, let's talk

(15:46):
about millennium, you know what we're yeah, very got very political,
but yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah it was. It was interesting. Andrew.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
I'm curious to know as as you got more involved
with the dog, I mean, how did you feel about
your country to the dock, because we ended up just
making you in a social producer because you started to
do more and more for us.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
It's it was kind of like an evolution kind of thing,
you know. I just, like I said, I kind of
came in during the opening credits, and I just I
never pictured that I would kind of go past that.
And then I remember you had set up a meeting
with me and we just kind of sat down and talked,
and you were just like, hey, you know, how would
you feel like being a part of this and doing

(16:26):
a little bit more. And then you know, we started
having our meetings and discussing, you know, things to do
to promote the doc and just you know kind of
where the dock was going, seeing the rough cuts and
kind of you know, helping with the editing and things
like that. And mean that just to me, that was,

(16:47):
you know, just a dream cup true because you know,
this is a show that I saw, you know, when
originally aired, and you know, I just been a fan
since then. So to be able to kind of be
a part of that and be part of the legacy,
it was it was just awesome.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
One thing I'll give Jason credit for, and he and
I talked about this at the very beginning, is like
this is going to be a documentary by fans, but
we don't want it to be a quote unquote fan documentary,
if you know what I mean, because we made the pack,
Like if we looked at some of the early footage
and we thought it sucked, we were gonna stop. Do
you remember talking about that, Jason, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, yep, there was a few times. I was a
little worried about that happening too, for sure, But uh,
because I mean, this is like the first time that
I've ever done anything like this, Like it's so different,
and I think I've talked about this like in other
interviews that we've done, but it's so so very different.
It seems like it'd be very easy compared to like
shooting like a narrative movie, but it's it's not. It's

(17:48):
it's it's just as difficult in just different ways. So yeah,
I mean, I really think that we did a great job,
and a lot of it came together on post, you know, honestly,
but with the work that Andrew did, like even the
color correction and with Joe and the script, and it went,

(18:09):
in my opinion, far beyond like a fan made documentary,
and that was really our goal. Even though it still
gets called out by reviewers and things like that. I
think just because of the nature of doing a documentary
on pop culture in general, Yeah, it'll always sort of
like have that label unfortunately, but yeah, it's really there.

(18:31):
There was a good amount of effort and time put
into this that as far exceeds like just just a
fan documentary.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
And there are a couple of people that aren't on
the Doctor we definitely have to give shout outs to,
and you just mentioned one right off the bat, Joe Madre.
Joe was the glue to this documentary because at one
moment we were like, maybe we got all this great footage,
but crap, how do you come up with a narrative
for the footage?

Speaker 2 (18:54):
And you I think you came up with the idea
of talking to Joe about it.

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah, I remember early on we were sort of like
we we did work out a set of questions that
we knew that we could sort of like make connections
to between people, and some people did have different questions,
So I wouldn't say we didn't like have a plan going,
But when Joe stepped in, because Joe's din I'm like,

(19:18):
I don't know, two hundred hours TV or something like
that as a writer in like the sort of like
docu arena, and uh, he just he knows this stuff
inside and out, and he knows Millennium really well, and
he knows a lot of the people that were involved
with the show, and so it was very easy for
him to sort of like reorganize and structure, you know,

(19:44):
story ideas just based off of what people said. So
he would go through and he would take just the
raw video files and he would as far as I
can understand, he just hand translated them or scrapped them
into the word docs and just went through and started
like sort of cutting and pasting and building a kind
of narrative, which is a tremendous amount of work. And

(20:08):
I think I think about how technology has evolved in
the past like ten years, and it's like, I feel
terrible the amount of work that he went through and
now you can like transcribe that stuff in like two minutes. Yeah,
you know, but hey, yeah, he was. He was just
an amazing element to this project, like just all the

(20:32):
way around. You know, I'm supporting it. When we went
out to conventions, to you know, the script writing, to
you know, feedback on edits, and yeah, just very proud
to have him part of it.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
I think we got lucky because when I initially came
to you and said, hey, man, I have a list
of people I want to get, And although we didn't
get everybody we wanted, there were with different reasons people
couldn't be in the dock, we lucked out and had
enough people from each season, I think, to to make
it flow when when it came to Joe putting it together,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Yeah, yeah, And you know, it's it's hard to because
you know when you think back that you know, there's
even some people that we were able to get, but
schedules just didn't line up, you know, and and so
like when you think about that, it's like, oh, that
would have been nice. But even though that didn't happen,
the I think the the people that were involved that

(21:31):
we got were so important to the series right that
it it really allowed us to spend a good chunk
of time on each season, even even when schedules didn't
line up and things like that. You know, even making
regular movies, it's like, you know, things don't turn out
the way you wanted to. So this was this was

(21:52):
really no different and uh yeah, we were we were
pretty lucky. I'm I'm definitely thankful for the people that
you were able to bring on board with that.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Another person we need to talk about is Matthew Gatzos,
who did the Uh wait, Matthew did the music right?

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yeah, Matthew Gattos did the music. I think of Matthew
Ingles real quick, Matthew. Yeah, Matthew Gatzos is a friend
of yours. And originally, and I don't know if people
may not know this, but originally I had talked to
Mark Snow who was thinking about doing music for the documentary,
and then for whatever reason, his schedule didn't allow it.
So unfortunately Mark had to drop out. But you brought

(22:33):
in Matthew Gatzos, And can you talk a little bit
about Matthew and his involvement.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
Yeah, so, matt I've known matt since I was like,
I don't know, fifteen, sixteen years old or something like that.
He's always been into music and more actually more into
like sound than his music per se. But he utilizes
music as his way of like interpreting sound, I guess.
And he he got into scoring films like pretty early on.

(23:03):
It's not really his his number one like thing. But
he was pretty good at it, and our little court group,
he would score all of our short films, and I've
had him, you know, as he got better and I
got better, he would score features, and you know, when
it came to Millennium, he was actually extremely reserved about.

(23:27):
He didn't want to do it. And he didn't want
to do it because he didn't want to mimic someone else,
which is basically what we're asking to do, is like, hey,
b marks Now, but don't be Mark Snow, yeah and
make him a millennialistic. Yeah, he really didn't want to do it.
He's like, well, you know, it's not my style, and
I don't want to copy somebody. You know, there's already

(23:49):
he's already out.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
There, right.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
So he had a hard time and he struggled with it,
you know, with that just sort of that idea. Eventually
just came around to it. He you know, I gave
him the soundtracks from the show and soundtracks for X Files,
and so he really kind of immersed themselves in the
style and stuff. And he still always had that sort
of thing like I know this isn't as good as

(24:12):
Mark snow stuff, you know, but I think this is
as close as I can get it, and he would
send me cues and we would discuss them and go
over like you know, he basically what he did is
he went through the documentary in the segments and picked
out specific episodes from the show, and he would come

(24:34):
up with a track that was I wouldn't say necessarily similar,
but had a lot of the tonalities of the music
in those episodes. So if you look at the track
listing of the soundtrack, it's very specific to episodes in
the show for that reason, and they have this similar
sound quality to them. And so he put a lot

(24:57):
of effort into making that sort of work and to
line it up with what was being spoken of at
the time. And you know, that doesn't always necessarily work
in terms of it depends on like who you're seeing
on screen and how they're cadence as a demeanor and
things like that, So sometimes that stuff got moved around

(25:18):
and whatnot. But there was a lot of a lot
of effort that he put into to doing that sort
of stuff, and I think it turned out great. And
I mean I've heard a lot of people talk about
it and discuss the soundtrack, and I mean, I'm really
thankful that we had the opportunity to put out like
two different versions, you know, like a regular version and
then like a sort of like special edition one, you know,

(25:43):
and even the vinyl, you know, all the stuff. I
think it is just it is just huge, you know. Yeah,
I think he did a fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, what did you think of the mesic aspect? Andrew?

Speaker 5 (25:55):
I think you did a wonderful job. I think, like
Jason's pointing out, he he really honed into the whole
feel and tone of the show, you know, kind of
skirting that line of the Mark Snow but also being
kind of his own style. I think, if it's perfectly

(26:19):
I think he did a wonderful job on it. And
and like like Jason said, there's there's moments where you
kind of in the editing you kind of have to
especially with the doc, you have to kind of move
things around. So maybe it's not exactly kind of in
the place that he was, you know, picturing, But I
think overall, it just it really fit together really well.

(26:42):
I know when I was creating the opening credits, I
was using his his music, you know for that. Yeah,
And I mean that's that really really spoke to me
when I was putting everything together because it did it
reminded me completely of you know, Mark Snoga's work and

(27:04):
just kind of like the original opening.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
So yeah, he uh, he did. He. The interesting thing
I think about the score of this though, is that
he did a lot of that before he ever saw
any footage or an edited version.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah. A lot of it was just solely based on
like interpreting like Mark's work and then coming up with
his own like sort of version of it, and and
so like I really had again in props because he
never really as he was working on it wasn't until
much much later, until he had most of the music
actually done, or at least like an early draft of it,

(27:44):
that he actually saw footage and saw stuff edited and
his music to it, and then he was able to
go back and like give new versions based on certain
things like that.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
And the final member of the team, last but not least,
is mister Matthew Engle.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Who did all the artwork for the doc.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
He was the one who initially set me something years
ago that I actually saved the Captain and we used
it for the cover of the back to Frank Black Book.
And I initially thought of him when we were talking
about the doc so his artwork, Jason, I know there's
still a lot of artwork that hasn't been released to
his Can you talk a little bit about Matthew's artwork?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yeah, I think Matthew's amazing, Like while you were running
the campaign and like even like the little stuff that
I was a part of, Like, his artwork is so
consistent and the way that he I don't know if
it's like an interpretation or whatever it is, but just
the vibe, the style of it just fits so well

(28:42):
with you know, Millennium in general. It's hard. How could
you not think of you know what I mean, It's
like it's so good and his likenesses of the people
and how quick he works, you know, even you know,
besides like the piece of art that you're speaking of
that was for the book, had no idea how long
that would have took him. But while he's doing the
art for the documentary, it's like, I mean he would

(29:04):
just shoot in an email and like there'd be like
fifteen images. It's just like wow, it's so much. It
was so much content that he sent over, and not
only just the art, but he would some of the
stuff he would do in layers, so you you know,

(29:25):
he was doing it so he could allow me to
animate them in the edit, which is amazing because that's
not usually you know, an option. You know, an editor
would normally have to like go into after effects and
photoshop and cut things up and make that stuff happen.
But he was able to again don't know how he
does it specifically, but he's able to like give me

(29:48):
layered artwork, you know, that fits together perfectly and can
be animated, which is huge. And then of course like
the Blu ray covers and the DVD covers and the
posters and gosh, so much stuff. And he did title
treatments and character art for like almost everybody, you know,
every main character in the series. Character not in character,

(30:11):
but like you know, portrait stuff of you know, the
production crew, you know, Chris. You know, it's just it's mindful,
even some X file stuff, right, just the amount of art.
And then there's like there's things that he did for
like sections of the movie that didn't end up being
in there. He did a whole bunch of artwork where

(30:34):
we talked about like the roosters and owls. Yeah, he
did all this amazing stuff because all that stuff is like,
you know, based on reality. Like there's real locations that
you know, and things that have happened in history that
relate to those storylines, and so we took like images
from these real world things and then he created his

(30:57):
own like sort of versions of It's just it was
really amazing and it was one of the bigger disappointments
for me not having included it in the original version
of the Dock. It's just so good.

Speaker 5 (31:10):
Andrew, Yeah, I was just going to say, you know,
we had several meetings, you know, kind of discussing the
artwork and you know, just the the cuts of the
of the dock, and you know, it would be one
of those things where we say, you know, hey, it'd
be great to have a picture of Lance or you know,
Frank Black doing blah bla blah blah blah. And you know,

(31:33):
week two weeks later he demail us, Oh, hey, guys,
I did this this artwork and I, like Jason said,
he split it up so you could have the background
move at the same time.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
You know.

Speaker 5 (31:44):
It just he's just an the crowdle artists and probably
one of the best Frank Black artists that I've ever seen.
Like the style and just the whole facial expressions. Everything.
He just he's he's amazing. So for him to be

(32:04):
a part of this, uh, it was great. It was
I think he was definitely an important had an important
role in the success of The Star.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
I remember when he years ago when he sent that
that picture that or that artwork that we adventually use
for the book. I saw and I was like, I
gotta I gotta send us to Lance. So I sent
it to Lance and I called him and I said,
you gotta look at something. And first of all, it
took him ten minutes to find the email number one.
And then when he finally found it and he opened up,
the first thing he said was fuck me. He's like,

(32:36):
who is who did this? And I explained who it
was and you know what we were using it for,
and he's like, he's like, you guys have my blessing,
please use it. And he wrote this note, and I
hope I gave it to Matthew or not, but he
wrote him a note. He sent it to me, a
signed note, and I hope I sent it to Matthew.
But yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Really really impressed with Matthew's drawing of I'm so glad
you got.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
To meet him, like when he came out for like
comic Con.

Speaker 5 (32:59):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, l A was it
was so much fun because it was great to kind
of have all of us, you know, together, especially Matthew
being across the pond, uh, and just for him to
be able to meet Lance and I know his his
pottery and and meeting Chris.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Just I was so happy for Matthew to be able
to to do that because he deserved it. He just
like I said, he was a big part of this.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Didn't lands give him some pottery the take he did?

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Yeah, I think he gave him about like four pieces
of his pottery.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
That was my favorite photo out of this entire experience,
is that shot at LA Comic com with all of
us like that group photo. Yeah, yeah, because everybody's there.
It's just it's awesomely cool.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
So one of the big reasons we decided to do
his podcast is we have some big news and it's
been five years since we originally released a doc and
now Jason, I give you the honor of talking about
what's going to happen now with the documentary and what's
changing and what's been at it and blah blah blah
blah blah.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
It is going into the Disney vault and no one
will ever see it.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
And not say that too loud because that might come.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
We've had a love hate relationship with Fox over the years,
so they know who we are.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
The mouse is listening right.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
Well. For a while now, we've been looking at doing
a sort of recut or extended cut of the Dock,
and we've finally found the red opportunity, I guess. So
this new We have a new version coming out and
it will be released by s Rass Cinema, and it's

(34:48):
a whopping two and a half hours long. It's a
it's an entire hour of additional footage that wasn't an
original Dock, so a lot of extend did pieces of
interviews and in additional information that wasn't in the original version.
And one of the best parts about it is that

(35:10):
we had the opportunity to go out and do a
brand new interview with none other than Lieutenant Bob Bletcher
Bill Sminrovich. Yeah, so I'm super excited about that, and
I think that that's was definitely one of the glaring

(35:31):
sort of like omissions from the original version of the doc.
And I think people are going to be pretty interested
to see this new version with with what Bill has
to say, I think it's gonna be pretty amazing. So yeah,
it's got It does have new artwork which is done
by another amazing artist, Max Cave. But you know, that

(35:54):
is one of the like I really wish we could
have got something from from math you but you know,
sometimes that's stuff sort of out of hand, you know,
the distributors sort of do what they want to do.
So but it does have new artwork, it has new
It doesn't have new music in it, but it does
have a remixed version of the sound it has. If

(36:18):
anybody was concerned over the Robert mc glocklins sound in
the original version, his audio has been uh for the
most part, fixed and sounds much better.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
And much better yet little issues.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
That you know, you don't really get the opportunity to fix,
you know, the first go around. That's that's we were
able to do that. I wouldn't call this like a
definitive version or anything. I do think that the the
original like cut is, is very solid in a narrative
sort of like storytelling UH aspect, but this new version

(36:52):
really opens the doors more to a lot of what
people have to say and a lot of additional information. Again,
Bill Smetrovich's interview is a huge addition to this. There's
a there's a a bunch of additional like things. I
think fans are going to really really like in this
in this version of the movie.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
And we also changed the title.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
We did. I forgot about that. Yeah, we did change
the title. And you know, when we were originally discussing that,
I didn't realize that was the first title we had
initially came up with. Well, yeah, so across it in
like an email somewhere.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
So when James McLean and I were first talking about this,
this is before you even got involved, we were talking
about titles for the documentary, and originally James came up
with after the Millennium, and then we put that on
the table, and then we came up with Millennium after
the Millennium, which kind of made sense when we were
talking about like Millennium the series after the Millennium, that

(37:55):
kind of makes sense. And then some people are like, yeah,
that's kind of repetitive, doesn't make sense. I think after
Millennium is better, But after a vote with the original
people that started this project, we decided to go with
Millennium after Millennium, But I think after millennium is is
is appropriate right now?

Speaker 4 (38:10):
Yeah? And I remember I think I think Joe was
a proponent of Millennium after the Money as well, because
I mean it does have that sort of like, you know,
it really explains what it.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Is you're pallicized the after Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, And for me it was always likes such a
long title. Yeah, it's such a long title. Millennium alone
has like a lot of letters, right. It sounds silly,
but it's a huge title. So yeah, I mean hopefully
it just makes it easier for people to find and
and talk about type out googling less letters. But yeah,

(38:52):
I think that the title change New Artwork, New Interviews
is a longer cut, Like there's a lot going on
in this version, uh that I think people are gonna
they're gonna want you know.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Andrew, you saw a cut of the new the new
version of the doc.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Your thoughts, Well, it's like Jason was saying that, you know,
the original had a really good flow to it. But
I think fans are going to be very excited for
this new cut, it is still has has that flow,
but I think where this one shines is again having

(39:35):
the additional feed or additional interview I've included into this
one from all the cast and being able to kind
of hear a little bit more of their thoughts on
certain subjects. You know, again, you watched the original and
there's a couple of moments where you kind of feel

(39:56):
like you want to hear a little bit more, Especially
as a millennium fan. You know, you want to sit down,
you want to be able to hear it all, you know,
especially this many years after the show, you know. So
I think this new cut fans are going to love
it because there's a lot more really good info that
comes out of this. The addition of including Bill into

(40:20):
this new Kattu, I think fans are going to love that.
It's just it's really cool to hear from him, and
I was super excited to have that added.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
I'm curious to get your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
One of the criticisms I read of the original doc
is that the doc is for hardcore fans of the show,
but it's not for people who've never seen the show.
What do you think about that critique of the doc
if you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
Jason, Yeah, I think that that's that's a tough one
for me because I think it's kind of a fair
criticism but also an unfair criticism because I think that
there's other groups that would be interested in this documentary,
particularly filmmakers, people that are just love like how movies

(41:07):
and TV work. There's also people that are just interested
in certain people's careers, you know, whether it be Lance
or Chris Carter or Frank or you know, I mean
how we even like Dwight little like. You know, it's
part of the Halloween franchise. You know, there's a lot
going on there, and most of these people have gone
on to do bigger and better things. Robert mcloch, I mean,

(41:30):
who wouldn't want to sit there and listen to Robert mcclock.
I mean he's worked on some everything, yeah, Game of
Drones like whatever. It's like, you know, jeez, Chris Willingham
is one of them, like Jeesez's We's worked on every
television show since.

Speaker 6 (41:46):
What like nineteen eighty Emmy Award winner right twenty four,
you know, my one of my favorite greatest American hero
you know, just work on so much stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
It's like, yeah, it's uh. I think that there's a
lot of positive things that I think fans of many
other things outside of Millennium would enjoy watching the document.
I've heard dif from tons of people, you know, even
when we were going around doing conventions and whatnot. For
the original version. It's like there's people that were just like, yeah,

(42:19):
I never really watched Millennium, but man, that was like
that was super interesting, that was cool like this, and
then like you know whatever, and I just I think
there's plenty of opportunities for people to enjoy a lot
more than just the idea that this is about Millennium.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Andrew I agree.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I mean there's there's so many fans of X files,
you know, Chris Carter's work on X files, and you know,
they they've kind of stuck with that, and I kind
of feel like this can kind of open it up
a little bit more to those people that maybe just
didn't want, you know, stick around to watch it originally,

(42:57):
that might want to say, Okay, I want to go
back and and see this now because I'm very intrigued,
you know, hearing from the cast and crew, especially Lance
and Chris, but also I think it can entice new fans.
You know, it's I think we're in an era where
we're kind of a little bit uh, you know, nostalgic

(43:20):
towards you know, older movies. You know, we're seeing a
lot of remakes coming out, same with TV shows, reboots,
things like that. So I think, you know, there there
can be the criticism of yes, this is for hardcore fans,
but again, I think there will be new fans that
could go into this and not know the show, but

(43:44):
learn enough to the point where they might feel like,
you know, hey, I want to go back and watch
this and and see what I was about.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Well, if we can get Disney author asked and put
millennium on streaming, that would be a big help.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Amen. Amen, you got to pay all those mus greats.

Speaker 5 (44:00):
Yeah, that's uh, that's that's been the you know that
you know more than you know any of those. That's
been the biggest battle, you know, trying to to get
the show out to two more people. And and you know,
we're we're in a time where you know, DVDs, blu rays,

(44:22):
you know that that kind of thing is you know,
it's most people like to consume through streaming. Unfortunately, you know,
but that's uh, that's kind of where your your new
audience is. So I kind of feel like, uh, you know,
one day, well we'll get there, but I don't know when.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I think what one thing that kind of sucks for
us is like and Jason, I know you know this,
and Andrew, I know you know this. Every day I
hear someone you guys did a documentary about Millennium.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I didn't even know it was out.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
I mean, there's only so much we can do as
an independent, super independent, you know, entity as far as
get it out there. I mean, we had literally zero
budget for this documentary. I'm looking at Jason going, yeah,
we didn't really have any money for this.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
It was out of our own a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, it was out of our own pocket.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
But yeah, you know, I think we did a really
fantastic job getting the word out though. I think what
it is is that the time has passed since the
show ended, people aren't actively like searching it constantly, So
I think it might just pop into somebody's and they're like, oh, yeah,
I remember molying and then they oh, there's a documentary,
you know, or they see it somewhere like whether we

(45:36):
did a convention or you know, somebody posts something or
you know, repost something that we put out. It just
sort of organically happens, which is awesome in its own
But yeah, man, could you imagine if we had a
big advertising budget or something like that, or you know whatever,
or if I was just sitting here as you guys
were talking about the show not being you know, on

(45:58):
streaming any of that, I was like, first thing possible, head,
why don't we do that? Why don't we just contact
and see what would it take to the license it,
you know, so that who knows, Because I mean, you know,
if if the music is a is an issue, we've
got the technology, you know, without having to get the
original elements to like you know, re editor or something

(46:20):
to just pull music out. But things like that's something
that could easily be done anyway. Yeah, I don't know.
I just I think that we had had a bigger
advertising budget, a lot more people would know about it.
But I'm pretty happy with the sort of organic growth
of it. Even early on the pre orders before we

(46:41):
had shot stuff, the support that people gave us. I
mean that's you know, their names are in the credits.
If you guys want to you know, look at that
because every single one of those people.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
You put everybody in the credits.

Speaker 4 (46:54):
Man, Yeah, because because it wouldn't have been able to
deal with that like that. That was the reason we
were able to you know, lie out to Canada or whatever,
you know what I mean, Like they they helped and
support it and got us there, and they need to
be recognized for that, you know. Yeah, it's uh. I

(47:14):
think that there's still reach out there. I think there's
still plenty of people that don't know about it that
when they discover it, they're just gonna be blown away
by it, you know. I mean you see documentaries like
this popping up all over the place. Somebody just did
one on Clue, somebody's done one on like The Shining,

(47:36):
all these like independent like documentaries you know that have
just sort of like popped up out of the woodwork.
And you know what else. So I think that there's
an audience for it for sure, you know, even outside
of whatever it's about. I just think that there's there's
so much more opportunity.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I mean, not tooting our horn, but for a group
of guys who've never done this before and basically pulled
out a documentary for dummy book and put this thing together.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I think we did a pretty damn good job.

Speaker 5 (48:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
Man, if you go and you like even like the
Clue documentary, that's that's gotten pretty good distribution. It's out there.
If you go watch that, it's I mean not that
they did a bad job or anything, but it's it's
very amateurish in terms of like the way it looks
compared to like this doc and a lot of those
are popping apart. So I do think that there's there

(48:26):
is a lot of merit to the end result of
this project. You know, I just I'm really proud of it,
you know as a whole.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
Yeah, I think one of the greatest memories was a
son of Monster Plouza when we did the signing after
the Q and A and just to sit there and
see this line that's right.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
We had a long line for that.

Speaker 5 (48:54):
Yeah, we had a long line. And so you know,
there's there's still that fan base. You know, some people
were there to see Lance, you know, because of other things,
but I just feel like there was a lot of
people there that still have a love for the show.
So it's you know, to me, like, you know, me

(49:16):
and Troy have talked about this. We've seen plenty of
documentaries that they just you know, it's kind of put together,
very shoddy. The music's just not right. There's no flow
to it. To me, the first time I saw one
of the first initial cuts of the doc, I was

(49:37):
thinking in my head, I'm like, this could be an extra,
Like if they ever decided to release Millennium on a
you know, Blu ray or whatever, this could be an
extra on the official Blu ray. You know, that really
speaks volumes.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
For I think of it as like next to the
not not just like our movie next to it. It's
an additional.

Speaker 6 (50:00):
Included disc, bonus disc.

Speaker 5 (50:06):
Yeah, truly. I think just the amount of work that
we put into it's, you know, like you said, they
were working on you know, little budget to none, and
I think what we were able to come up with
is just, uh, you know, it just stands out.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
I just want to end on a couple of funny
things thinking about how much you worked on. I'm going
to give Jason some credit, mand because after a while,
Jason got to point where he's like, Dude, I can't
watch the Millennium anymore. I don't want to look at
the doc. I don't want to look at the show. Here,
here's here's here's the latest cut. Does you guys just
look at it? Just just don't bother me for.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Like a week.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yeah, it's a. It's a.

Speaker 4 (50:45):
It's a it's a it's hard, man, because, like you
guys see a cut, right, But I sit there in
the editing day and I'm like, I'm looking at like
even just like minute like sections over over and over again,
to the point where it's like you become sort of
like numb to it. You can no longer be objective

(51:07):
to what you're seeing because you just processed it so
many times. It's like that's how mistakes get left and
you need another set of eyes and be like, oh
you missed this, you messed that out, you know whatever,
and it's like, oh, how did I not see that?
You know, because I've seen A five thousand times, you know,
So it gets pretty hard. Yeah, you get you get
sick of your own stuff, you really do, and that's

(51:31):
that's difficult. So I am kind of thankful that it
took us this long to maybe do a longer cut,
because we tried once or twice, and yeah, it finally happens.
It's cool.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
And probably I probably should apologize because I know, you know,
you would send the cuts out to us, and I
know how much you you know, how hard you worked
on that, and then I'm here typing up two pages
of notes like this transition needs to be a little
bit longer.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
You need to Yeah, no, I think that's that's exactly
what you need, you know what I mean. It's like
it's one of those things like grain salid, you know,
you maybe you just got to accept what those notes are.
Maybe you don't fix everyone because it's a subjective, but
some of it are truly mistakes, you know, and you've
got to be able to like have another set of
eyes to be able to like point that stuff out,

(52:29):
you know, especially, like I said, if you're watching this
thing over and over again, you just get kind of
tunnel vision, you know, because every time you go into
the edit bay, it's like you could be working on Okay,
today I'm just gonna work on audio, or today I'm
just gonna work on like popping in transitions, or today
I'm gonna work on like trimming up some cuts, or
you know what I mean. Every day could be something different,
and then you send a cutout and it's like, oh,

(52:50):
I messed up the audio doing a trem on these cuts,
or that transition is gone, whatever it is. So it's
like that stuff is really helpful. Yeah, that's not negative
at all. Andrews, give me more pages.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Well, I just want to say I'm completely proud of
the stock. I mean when I had the idea of
years ago to do this, and Jason, you and I
have talked about this. This is before we really knew
each other and I knew of your web series, but
before I even approached you a by this, I talked
to another director about possibly doing this, and after about
I don't know, two weeks, I realized this guy was

(53:24):
not the guy for this project. And I think if
he had stayed on, it would have been a totally
different project and probably not as good as the one
we've we've done. So I just wanted to thank very guys. Yeah,
I trust me, I sussed this guy out and just
it wasn't going to be right. But I want to
thank you guys for being a part of this and

(53:46):
all the hard work you guys did on the start.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Yeah, thank you, Troy, thank you for all your hard
work bringing it together. That's all the amazing people that
you know, we had the opportunity to meet places to
go discuss like one on one stuff that we can't
put into the dock. That's like another thing. You know,
there's things that we just can't put in there, like
it just wouldn't it's not something that we could do

(54:11):
or falls outside of the dock even, you know, just amazing.
So like talking with Thomas about like you know, Supernatural,
you know, because he was working on Supernatural all the
time and just a lot of things have kind of
fall aside. There are just an amazing opportunities.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
So thank you his lance impersonation.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
Oh yeah, right, yeah, so good. I feel like everybody's
a lance in personation, right.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
And before we go, I just want to mention some
really funny things that happened. I remember when we had
Sarah Jane Redmand come to our hotel to meet us
before we walked over to the church to do the interview.
And she knocked on the door and I opened the
door up and I was a standing her going I
forgot my name for like a second.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Was that the first thing he met her in person?

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, I talked to her before on the phone, you know, Skype,
calls and stuff like that, but I never met her
in person.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
It was intimidating, man, I have.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
To tell you, I thought that way. It was like Claia.
I mean everybody almost really you know. Yeah, oh, speaking
of Claya, I haven't had a chance to watch it.
It's vicious, is that the.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Name of the Yeah? Yeah, coda fan.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
Man, the true looks intense. I can't wait to watch it.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah. It's definitely a different side of Clay as far
as acting goes, trust me, all yeah, yeah, But we
had some really fun times.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I'm glad we all got to get together that one
time at some of Monster Plus.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
We all got to hang out.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
We all got to hang out with cast and crew,
and I always Jason, I told you this, and Andrew,
I told you this. I mean we didn't really, we
didn't make any when we didn't get paid to do this.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
We did it for the love of the show.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
So I think our payment was getting the chance to
meet these people and talk to these people and get
them to sign stuff for us. And I just thought
that was just super super cool.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Yeah. I mean even today, like with the whatever money
comes in like literally goes back into the doc Like
whether yes, trying to get a redistributed or whatever the
hell that we're doing. It's like it just goes just
really kind of real. I mean, you hope that it
makes enough, ye do not I have to do that,
but you know, I'm so thankful and happy that we

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have the opportunity to do that.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
You know.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah, anything you want to say, Andrew before we go,
just any parting words.

Speaker 5 (56:30):
Yeah, I just want to say thank you to you guys,
because again I kind of came into this a little
bit later in the game and just again to be
a part of this project. It's it's been it's been
worth it. It's like I said, to be able to
meet some of these people that you just you kind
of grew up watching and to be had that opportunity

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to sit next to them and and listen to their stories,
and just to be able to meet you guys and
hang out. It's it's been a fun ride. Man.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Man. You know, every time you say late into the game,
I think back then, I'm like, you know, actually, Andrew
came on pretty early. Yeah you really did. Yeah, this
is light to me. Yeah, yeah, right, because we we
definitely have been talking about for a while. We might
have done one. Shoot, I can't recall. I don't actually
think we had kind of shoot. I think we were
just I think we're about to Yeah, I can't remember,

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but it was pretty early. But maybe we just sort
of kept that a little close to the chest. But
you're on that pretty pretty early, man.

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Okay, all right, yeah either way, I'm proud to be
a part of this.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Man worked out great man. All these like the promos
like you like the things that you sent me, the
oraboris like plaques like you know we did like the
pro Jesus. Man, It's just like it's mind blowing. It
really is, like the level of commitment and talent, it's
just fantastic.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, thank you, And I know, you know, finally we
have to thank the cast for in the crew for it,
for taking a time time to do this, because again
they didn't get paid. They did it on their own time.
I don't know how they. I mean people like Megan Gallagher,
like med Jason and I in a sketchy area of
West Hollywood. Shoot her, she came by herself, you know,

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I mean she they trusted us.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Yeah, I think that's like an amazing thing. Like even
like going to like Britney's Barnos and yeah, it was
like that. It's just like the there's there was a
huge level of trust there, you know. Yeah, it's just
it's pretty. It's impressive. It is.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Yeah, so a huge thank you to cast and crew
for for taking the time and uh again, thank you
guys and Jason. Finally, is it available to order now?
Is it gonna be available soon? When are we going
to start really promoting it available?

Speaker 4 (58:48):
We need to start promoting it now. So it's been
really the pre order has been released, so you can
go and pre order it right now. And if you
pre order it, you're going to get the two and
a half hour version, the new Bill Sminervis interview, and
it's gonna come with the free poster and you can
choose no, actually this one. Yeah, it comes with a
free poster while supplies last. I think it's a folder

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poster though.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
I think I think there might be a slight variation
in some of the bonus features. There might be one
additional interview that wasn't on the original disc. I could
be wrong with that, but I think there's still kind
of no, they're not they're already they already did finalize
that it's already been sent off to the replicators to press,

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so it should be shipping within a month, I think,
So go and pre order it, guys. This is I
think this is This is a version you guys are
gonna want to have sitting on your shop, Like, Yeah,
it's gonna it's gonna be on vod it's gonna be
on streaming and all that kind of stuff. But we
wanted people to have a chance to pick up this
limited edition version kind of the same way we did

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with the original doc when it came out, we limited
it to I think three hundred copies. This one's limited
to two hundred, and once they're gone, that's it. You know,
they're not going to really set on Blu Ray. It'll
be on streaming only. So if you want that physical disc,
which I hope you guys do, you know, this is
the time to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
And where can they go to?

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Where?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
Man, we'll have links in the description here, well, we'll
have posts on Millennium after LINEUS Facebook page.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I will post it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I'm pretty sure it's s R S Cinema store.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
And SRS Cinema for reaching out and wanting to do this.
Distribute Yeah, they've.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Been super supportive. They really thought the quality of the
doc was amazing. There was I don't know if it's
still like in the works right now, but there was
talk about even doing a limited theatrical run of it.
I'm not even certain that's even a possibility with this too,
and I thought our cut that was before we were
kind of landed on that. But yeah, they've been really

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supportive of it, and they're putting a lot of effort
into getting this thing out there, you know, which we've
we've had some challenges with some other distributors in the past,
and yeah, you know, so I'm pretty excited that their
commandmental level seems to be there, and I just I
can't wait for people to see it and start seeing
what people think, you know, Yeah, see how far it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
So we're going to leave links in the description and
follow us on our socials. This is who we are
Millennium after Millennium. Andrew and Jason and myself are personal
socials where we'll put it out there. I'll put all
that information in the description. Thank you guys for listening,
Thank you guys for buying the original doc. Please go
pick up the new doc.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
And sure, Arthur.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Yeah, when this information comes out, share that stuff because
there's other people out there that don't know anything about this. Yeah,
and if they see you guys share these you know posts,
you know, maybe that ritual will grow