June 22, 2023 • 49 mins
In this episode, Tania Kolar speaks with psychologist, author, and founder of ReferToMe.ca, Sara Dimerman, and Dr. Jordan Vollrath, a family physician and digital health entrepreneur. You will learn about digital resources for mental health professionals and allied professionals who are seeking to refer clients or patients to others, or have others refer to them. You will also hear about a revolutionary way in which mental health and allied professionals can connect and share information with one another, in order to better serve the needs of their clients and patients.
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The views expressed in the following programare those of the participants and do not
necessarily reflect the views of Saga ninesixty am or its management. Welcome to
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the Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya Kola, helping you live your best life.
You know, our mindset is crucialto living our best life and how we
feel. And so many people havebeen struggling with mental health, the challenges,
the daily stressor's anxiety, depression,you know, all these things have
seemed to escalate of late and today'sshow, we're really going to help to
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keep your mindset positive and give yousome options when it comes to taking care
of your mental health because it's soso important. So on today's show,
I have two special guests. Theyare experts in their field. Sarah Demriment.
You may remember Sarah. She hada show actually called help Me Sarah
right here on Saga nine sixty andshe has been up to so many great
things. She has created a servicecalled refer to Me. So she's the
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founder of referred to Me, whichis a really great way to get you
connected to the professionals and the resourcesthat you need to foster wonderful mental health.
So we're gonna dive into that.She's also a psychologist. She's an
author of multiple books, self helpbooks my favorite category, so much amazing
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information there. She's also a podcasthost and also joining us today is doctor
Jordan vall Wrath. He's a familyphysician, he's a digital health entrepreneur and
a specialist working of course in mentalhealth. So you're going to get amazing
advice today and just the tools andsometimes inspiring thought and giving you that that
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option of you know, knowing what'savailable, I think makes all the front
so make sure you stay tuned.Doctor val Wrath is also chief medical Officer
at Cherry Health, Canada's medical network, so we'll learn more about that.
But how about we just jump intothe conversation and say hello and welcome doctor
Val Wrath and Sarah Demmerman. Greatto have you both on the show today,
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Thact, Yeah awesome. So youknow, I'd love to just start
with, um, you know,a broad overview of your perspective on what
you're seeing in today's society in termsof the need for mental health and the
services that have been either available ornot available to people. So Sarah,
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what can you what can you sayto that to start as a broad perspective.
So I just want to also mentionthat although referred to me as heavily
focused on mental health, and themajority of health professionals on that directory or
in that directory or psychologist, psychotherapist, social workers, art therapists, etc.
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We are incorporating not exclusively mental healthprofessionals, but also other health professionals
such as speech and language pathologists,occupational therapists, physiotherapists, dietitians. Because
I believe strongly in people working togetherin being able to provide what we call
like a circle of care for ourclients. And that's also why you know,
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I approach Cherry Health about working withus, because I felt that working
with medical doctors, I mean,the medical doctors are the gateway to other
specialists and often the first people thatpatients speak to about their mental health or
physical health issues. And so formedical doctors to be able to look at
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the directory referred to me and beable to find somebody that is geographically maybe
close to the client or the patient, or speaks the same language, is
dealing specifically with a certain area ofmental health, such as an eating disorder
for example, is so vital andthe reason that I created that directory was
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so that we could all work collaborativelyand we could be able to refer to
one another and also be able totalk to one another about different things that
are going on. And the reasonthat I came up with the ideas because,
as you mentioned, I've been apsychologist for over thirty years, and
now that I've been in this fieldfor a long time, my primary contacts
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or my colleagues are in the sameposition as me. Most of us have
full practices after so many years,we're not taking on or we're seldom taking
on new clients. Some people inmy age, lifestyle and time of life
have retired from their practices, andI find that I needed to expand my
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network of referrals. And I alsorealized that medical doctors also needed to expand
their list because as I'm sure doctorVulrith could talk more about this, but
you know, often people will referto the same old people just because they
have those names in their so calledrollo decks, but they don't really know
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that those people are not taking onnew people who have retired sou So,
I wanted to make sure that wehad a really up to date directory that
people who could just go to typein a certain number of you know,
just information into the search field,press you know, press select and just
you know, anyone that's in thedirectory that matches that search will come up.
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That's awesome. Um, you know, I I've heard that actually quite
a bit where um, you know, doctor perhaps is not taking on new
patients and then people are left tostruggle. And actually, personally, my
family physician of you know, decadeshad kind of gave up her practice,
semi retirement, so to speak.But she and she actually gave me a
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contact. But I also had otherfamily members who were all so you know,
with her who were not able toget uh, you know, a
doctor for quite a while. AndI've heard this happen for for other people.
Does that it's a little bit different. That's a little bit different than,
you know, than the service thatwe provide because we unfortunately are not
finding doctors to refer to. Yeah, so doctors referred to professionals in the
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directory, but we don't have contactwith other people that may be able to
help them. But perhaps got it, Jordan, maybe you might have your
finger on the pulse in terms ofI don't know, do you do you
know, doctors that might be availablefor people that are searching, because that
is a huge issue in in societyright now. Well, kind of unpacking
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that a little bit. There's twobig things there, right, Like just
the absolute paucity of physicians in general, right, regardless of if it's a
mental health or just your your otherwell being, right. And then two
at the same time, the actualmental health side of things, and that's
that's one of the biggest underserved,underfunded parts of our healthcare system. And
it's kind of crazy. Like Imyself, my clinical practice is all focused
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purely on mental health, specifically asrelates to obesity and weight loss at the
clinic there, and so my practicethere is a giant weightless to get in
to see us, and we canonly have so many visits with patients.
But that mental health counseling is coveredby the government of Alberta here. But
then as soon as somebody gets referredover to a psychologist or a counselor,
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you know, they don't have abilling code and set up with the provincial
government for that. So now suddenlyit's unfunded. So you do find some
pockets of physicians offering mental health counseling. I know here in Alberta there's owl
Pod. My colleague Ashan Sharma actuallyjust branched out to set up his whole
own mental health clinic focused around addictions. And so you do find some resources
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here that are going to be coveredby the government, but it's a huge
blind spot just in general. Iagree. Yeah, So what about you
know, you know, you spokespecifically doctor of all Wrath about specializing in
a weight loss and obesity, whichobviously ties into our mental health and you
know how we feel about ourselves,um, physically and mentally, right,
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But it seems to be that somany people um, through COVID have increased
their their you know weight, uh, through whatever reasons. You know,
maybe because we've spent more time homeand we were bored and had nowhere to
go, and then it's like whatdo I do? Right? Um?
And so people, you know,we're even baking more was a thing I
heard. So many people started tolearn how to bake and so but therefore,
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if we're doing that, we needto eat and ingest those foods,
right, So is that something thatyou're you're seeing now that has had a
detriment um you know, to tolifestyle and everyday living that's on the on
the increase. Oh absolutely. Imean the link between just like weight management
and mental health is huge, right, and so kind of the topic you're
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scratching on, there is this sortof the concept of emotional eating in general,
and so it certainly boredom counts asone of those main triggers. But
just in my practice we see thefull spectrum. You know, people are
rewarding themselves because something went well andthen leaning into food or they had a
bad day and that your food isnow they're they're coping mechanism, or they're
lonely or you name it, right, And so food winds up being that
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that fresh for a lot of differentpeople, and so that it turns into
a spiral, right, because thenthat affects your image and your your mindset,
and that leads to more comfort foodand so on and so forth.
And I think you know that becomesvery dangerous where um, you know,
it could lead to hopelessness when youfeel like you're giving up, you know,
because it's like all right, whenyou start to do a few things,
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um that you know are not idealfor you, maybe overindulging in you
know, food or drink or whateverthat addiction might be, we overindulge a
little bit, let's say, andthen when we continue to do that,
we start to see some of thenegative impact. And then it could be
in the terms of, you know, gaining x amount of weight and then
we just feel like, oh,we can never lose it. And I
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think that leads to that hopelessness,which leads to a lot of the depression,
which leads to you know, alot of other issues that we are
experiencing on the mental health front.So do you have advice, you know,
maybe both of you can share yourexperiences, if you have some advice
for somebody who is struggling with addictionin terms of how they can first maybe
not even get to that point,because I think it's a lot easier sometimes
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to handle things before they get youknow, extremely big and maybe these big
addictions. So how can we sortof maybe be preventative in that case?
Go ahead? I was just sayingfrom my experience working in the mental health
field, I know that addiction orthe propensity to be addicted, is often
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genetic. M Sometimes it's what you'veseen in your family, but often there's
a genetic component towards becoming addicted tosomething, and so you know, I
would say that people who are selfaware, or have been in counseling,
or or looked at themselves, theymight think about, you know, I
don't want to engage in the samekind of behaviors as my parent might have,
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So what can I do differently?Because the modeling might have been one
you know that you may even ifyou see a parent over drinking, using
alcohol, alcoholis or something you knowtoo much, you might think, I
never want to be like that.But sometimes you become that way even without
tending to be intending to be sobeing able to look at your own behavior
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and say, you know, atthe end of a long day, do
you say something like oh I reallyneed a drink, you know? Or
that might be like a telltale signor a red flag that if you're starting
to say those kinds of things andyour father or your mother was an alcohol
addiction, what else can you do? So I think talking to somebody about
it and the pin of the badin some way would be very helpful.
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Yeah, that's what Jordan, youwere going to say. I was just
thinking, I mean, addiction,it covers a lot of different things.
That relate back to that mental healthside. But step one is, you
know, just every once in awhile kind of stop and do an inventory
and kind of try and take astep back and do an objective look at
those habits, right, and certainlyaddiction, you know, as it relates
to my clinical practice plays out alot of different ways. You know,
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we've got the people that are youknow, on the cannabis used disorder spectrum,
and it's really difficult to lose weightif you just have the munchies all
the time and you're in that kindof a motivational state where getting up and
doing things and these other facets ofyour life and taking care of your general
daily living activities starts to fall offto the wayside. Or as it relates
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to alcohol used to disorder, youknow, now you're suddenly disinhibited. Now
your your goals and your ambitions andthese other side of things start to follow
the wayside. Let alone, justthe calories and the nutritional detriments just from
consuming it all all the way tothe people that are just chocoholics, right,
the chocolate and releases a ton ofdopamine directly into your brain, and
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so we see a lot of thatdirectly as well, and you know,
just kind of like looking under therug every once in a while and just
having those honest questions with yourself oflike do I see any issue with my
current habits? You know, likeshould I take a closer look at this?
You know, is there consequences tomy life of what I'm doing?
Then maybe I haven't been paying attentionbefore. And a lot of it relates
to, you know, just thestigma around addiction and mental health. Right.
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Like, we've seen kind of agenerational shift in this in terms of
people a lot more willing to justlike have these conversations, be open with
themselves, their friends, their doctor, and so that's been hugely positive just
for society in general, and that'sstill taking place. Only recently has that
started to change. Yeah, Andnow what a beautiful shift because it's so
necessary, you know, having theseconversations because then that those conversations lead to
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the ability to take that inventory andand also to check in with family and
friends as well, you know,because we can be uh, you know
a little more observant, let's say, to those behaviors, um, because
we can be blinded in our owncircumstances. You know, and I you
know, you were you were talkingabout you know, oh, Sarah you
had mentioned as someone says, ohI really need a drink, right,
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Uh, Doctor Volworth, you weretalking about the chocolate, you know,
reaching for those foods, and I'mI'm thinking, I'm totally guilty of that.
I mean, I've had those momentswhere I've absolutely overindulged. And it's
it's that need sometimes O jest todistress. Um. But I I have
taken that inventory, as you say, and I've recognized those patterns, and
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you know, I'm proactive on,you know, eliminating those patterns. But
I think that first key piece isthe awareness, you know, delving a
little deeper. And um, youknow, Sarah you had mentioned that,
let's say, for example, thatsomebody you know does have, you know,
an alcohol addiction or whatever that addictionmay be, and you were saying
that you know it could come fromthat family pattern. So I look at
it as though, I mean,my parents were not alcoholics. I'm not
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an alcoholic by any stretch, butI I know I have a tendency sometimes
to we're indulged in something, whetherit's chocolate or wine at a particular time
or coffee. So I've recognized thatthere can be a pattern that I'm mimicking
that's not directly one thing, butmanifests in another way. Does that make
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sense? Well? Yeah, Imean you look at how subconsciously and consciously
you look at how the people aroundyou manage problems. Right, So,
um, you know does did yourparents say I can't cope, I'm going
to sleep, I'm going to havea nap? You know that that teaches
a child or somebody growing up thatthe way that I cope with problems is
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I shut down and I go tosleep. Maybe maybe that's positive because when
the person wakes up, maybe theycan handle the problems better. But sometimes
the problem gets swept under the rugand never dealt with. And so you
learn things by what you see aroundyou. And so I think it is
important. And to your point aboutmaybe sometimes over indulging, I think it's
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okay to sometimes over indulge so longas you have people around you that can
keep you safe. I think it'salso but it's also I think really important
to look at are you noticing changesin your own behavior? So I work
with clients, for example, whomight start using cannabis like socially and really
enjoy the experience, or maybe they'regoing through really rough time in their lives
and they find that it really numbsthem or they don't think is negatively,
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and then they start to see,well, you know what, I'm just
going to use it before I goto sleep every night. And then they
start to notice that now it's notjust before I go to sleep, but
I'm using it like mid afternoon,just to get it because I think more
clearly when I've had some cannabis orI've had an edible or whatever. And
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so sometimes a client will even sharethat with me, but hasn't made the
connection that their behavior is changing.And I'll say something like, you know,
so, what I hear is thatyou used to use cannabis just before
you went to sleep, and nowyou're using a daily sometimes two or three
times a day. Let's look atwhat's going on here, like what do
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you how why are you using this? So I think sometimes it takes,
as you mentioned, somebody from theoutside. Now people are much more inclined
to listen to their therapists or totheir doctor, and not always so inclined
to listen to their families because theyfeel like they're being judged. Well,
the back goes up, doesn't it, right, our defenses and we're already
you know, preparing, like howwe're going to get out of this,
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right, It's like we feel like, oh no, right, so we're
going to take a break in amoment. But doctor of all Wrath,
I just want to give you anopportunity to add on to what Sarah,
you know, just spoke about.Yeah, I mean, it's a fine
line between moderation and escapism, right, and certainly all of these things can
go too far down that path,but it definitely is important to ask yourself,
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you know, like why am Idoing this? And it could take
any form, right, gambling,sex, drugs, video games, alcohol,
you know, all these different thingsare pretend channels for that. And
like am I self medicating? Right? Like am I treating some underlying thing?
You know, in a nonproductive kindof counter productive fashion? And just
like really, you got to takea step back and evaluate that every once
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in a while. And if friendsor family are starting to get concerned,
you know, that's definitely a redflag for you yourself to be like,
Okay, maybe I shouldn't just beon the defensive. Maybe I should consider
perhaps my use of whatever one ofthese items is starting to get out.
You be an outlier on that spectrum. Excellent advice. Absolutely, So we're
going to continue this incredible conversation withmy special guest today, Sarah Dimmerman and
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doctor Jordan vall Wrath. We're helpingto you know, give you some options
and some tools, and I'll haveaccess to professionals who can help you on
your journey with mental health. Youknow, it's so important to to living
our best lives, is to feelingoptimal. And we're going to continue with
this conversation here helping you to liveyour best life. You're listening to the
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Mindset Mentor on Saga nine sixty.We'll be back no Radio, no Problem
stream is live on SAGA nine sixtyAM dot C A Welcome back to the
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Mindset Mentor. You're listening to Saganine sixty today. We are helping with
your mental health because of course,your mental health really is so key and
vital to feeling good. You know, I think the worst thing is when
we feel like you know, youget up in the in the morning and
you just don't want to start yourday, or you have a family member
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or a loved one who is experiencingthat. So you know, it's really
good to get someone and just tosee what our options are and maybe some
access to professionals and the professionals thatyou know, we can refer someone an
a loved one too, or evenourselves. Right, It's always important to
take care of yourself because we remember, right, um, you know,
when you give your best self isthat's a gift to everybody to a win
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win. So my special guest todayare Sarah Dimmerman. She is a psychologist
for over thirty years. By theway, she's an author of five self
help books and we can talk aboutthose a little bit later. She's also
the founder of refer to Me,which is a great resource to get the
information to and access to experts inthe field of mental health and more.
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And then are special guests joining ustoday is doctor Jordan vall Rath. Jordan
is a family physician and a digitalhealth entrepreneur. We'll talk about what exactly
that means. He's also a specialistworking in mental health, which again is
you know, so invaluable these days. He's also the chief medical Officer at
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Cherry Health, which is Canada's medicalnetwork so I want to thank you both,
Um Sarah and Jordan for being withus here today because I think that
mental health is now at the forefront, and it's so important to have these
conversations. People you know didn't wantto talk about it, you know,
decades ago, people suffered, youknow, because of that, and suppression
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of course leads to disease in thebody and all kinds of mental health destructive
patterns you know, can come fromthat. So it's really important to have
these conversations. And I would loveto talk about some of the work that
you do, doctor vall Wrath andwhat digital health means, you know,
how can we get access to moremental health and let's just dive in a
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little deeper. Yeah, absolutely,so, I mean a big focus of
what we do is founded in thatmental health aspect, right, So of
course there's a big push on frontof just like the patient facing side of
mental health, but also in termsof our practitioners. Our physicians, are
psychologists, are dentists, right,you name it. Like everyone out there
is dealing their own things and havefight in their own battles. And so
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one of the biggest problems right nowis just burnout and depression in terms of
the medical space. And so that'sreally one of the biggest impetus is and
the reasons why we started building thismedical network for Canada. You know,
we started out facilitating locums. Thatwas like the entire value right there.
And so locum is just Latin forsubstitute doctor basically, and so in Canada
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here there's no infrastructure to really likefacilitate this across the country. You know
how a school board has a centralcall room to help find substitute teachers.
In healthcare, it's just a freefor all, like good luck if you
get sick, if you have asurgery, if it's just your anniversary,
or you have to go on vacation, and so there's that sense of duty
to one's patients. You can't justup and leave or close down the doors,
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because people's health starts to deterior rate, right And so there's just this
shortage of physicians across the country andlet alone all the other healthcare practitioners,
but specifically I deal with mostly physiciansright now, and so you just could
not find this temporary coverage and soyou overwork, you burn out, your
capacity starts to decrease. We're seeinglike a large exodus. People are retiring
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early, they're tapering back their clinicalpractice, their hours doing things that are
more non clinical and sort of thisfire that's fueling itself in terms of just
amount of practitioners out there. Andso that was kind of the entire idea
behind building this medical network. Willjust start connecting doctors with this temporary coverage,
and it's sense blown up to includethe physician jobs and careers of all
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sorts. And very soon here we'reopening the network up to other medical professionals
as well, all the allied healthjust they deal with the same problems,
right, Like that's healthcare in Canada. There's just these blind spots, all
the different practitioners or their own smallbusinesses, and so there's not as much
of this central coordination as for examplein the teaching analogy. Um, but
that that really is a big basisjust around us. Yeah, I love
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that. It makes perfect sense,right because it's just um, you know,
having the tools and knowing where togo right to find the right people
that can help you. I mean, that's that's essential. And everybody everybody
experiences, uh, you know,some form of stress. Uh you know,
and it's really important for everyone tohave, um, you know,
the ability to do something about itright and to and not to feel like
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they're alone, because I think that'sthat's one of the big problems and I
think that's some of the crises thathappened through COVID, is that big feeling
of I am alone and we wereso disconnected, and I think people really
struggle with that. So Sarah,let's talk a little bit about how refer
to me also, um you know, can can aid and assist with with
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that and add on to what Jordanhad just spoke about. Well, one
of the things I wanted to tomention, and as Jordan mentioned, his
Cherry Health is Canada wide and that'spart of why I approached them about working
with us, because we're Canada wideas well. And I think that's really
important because as a psychologist, ifI have a client that's moving to another
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province, I'm not able to seethem because when you become registered, you're
registered within your province and you canregister in other provinces, but you have
to actually do that. I can'tsee somebody who's moved to Vancouver. In
fact, I can't even see somebodyif they've gone to Vancouver for a holiday,
so I'm you know, I couldonly see clients in Ontario. And
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so the beauty of being across Canadadirectory is that I can then go on
my own directory and find somebody inVancouver or Newfoundland or in New Brunswick,
and I can make that referral.And the beauty of being mostly digital because
you know, COVID, You know, there were many really awful things that
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happened to a lot of people duringCOVID. But I think that one of
the good things that happened, andwhy the time is so right for both
myself and Jordan in terms of interestproducing these these digital platforms, is because
my practice, you know, becameentirely virtual during COVID and was probably busier
than ever before because as we allknow, people's mental health. Children were
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struggling and not being at school socially, parents were struggling having their children at
home. Couples were struggling because theywere disagreeing about whether you should have the
vaccine or not. I mean,so many miracle and family issues emerged.
And I found that, you know, like we are so up close right
now to one another, I actuallyfound that it was even more intimate when
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I was working with clients online becausewe were like face to face. And
so even though I've opened up mypractice to have people come in person now
really only twenty percent of my clientscome in person. And so so referred
to me enables us, as Isaid, to look Canada wide. But
also I couldn't fur to somebody inanother part of Ontario even if my client
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lives close to me where I amresiding, because clients can go anywhere.
So it's opened it up in thatway because we're digital. And what's also
really great about referred to me isit's free, so people can go on.
The clinicians pay a small fee tohave their profiles on there, but
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doctors have completely free access to it, and the public has completely free access
to it. So you can justgo on and put your information and come
up with people right away. Andwe're growing all the time. So if
you don't find what you're looking forone day, you may find what's looking
for the next week. So canyou give us an example, you know,
again, of some of the resourcesthat are available. So if I,
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you know, want to take offa few boxes, let's say,
you know, for my mental healthor physical health and well being. What
options would be there, So wehave dropped down drop down menu for each
for each search field, so youmay put in if you don't care whether
you see a psychologist, social worker, or psychotherapist for example, you may
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not fill in the designation field.But if you have coverage for psychology,
for example, you may choose apsychologist from the drop down men you add
a designation. We have a verycomprehensive list of all the mental health and
other related concerns that are out there. So for speech and language pathology we
have like stuttering and other like aphasia. For mental health, we have eating
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disorders, addiction, and then webreak it down by the kinds of addiction.
I mean, every time we hearof another concern, we add it
to the list. We have languagesspoken, so you can choose somebody who
speaks your mother tongue. We havethe province. We have even the fee
if you want to choose within acertain fee structure. So what I usually
say to people, you know,if you put if you fill out all
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those search fields and nothing comes up, it's probably because you're you're, you're,
you're, you're kind of reducing yourchances of finding somebody because you're putting
in too much criteria. So insteadyou may take out like the fee,
for example, and just put inpsychologist Ontario and then see what comes up.
Or you may be more specific psychologisteating disorder Ontario and usually you'll come
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up with something like that. Soand so, UM, is that does
that give you enough for me?Yeah? I know that's that's yeah,
that sounds really great. And Iwas also thinking, uh and and I'm
not sure, so I'm going tojust ask the question. I mean,
does that include any sort of likenutritional therapist. Is there like acupuncture or
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chiropractors, body work? Yeah,we have chiropractice, acupuncturist, massage therapists,
um, any any body that workstogether or collaboratively, like I would
refer to to massage therapists, Iwould refer to, acupuncture, would referred
to chiropractical, I would refer tophysios. So and people would just go
to you. Men should referred tome, but it's be more specific.
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Referred to me dot c A.Yeah, excellent, so check it out.
Everyone refer to me dot c AA lot of incredible resources right there
at your fingertips, so that youdon't have to do all the searching.
I mean, this is amazing becauseyou can really find and it's kind of
like tailoring it right exactly to yourneeds and knowing proximity or doing it you
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know, digitally, there being theaccess is there for you. So we're
going to continue the conversation here onSAGA nine sixty with my special guests helping
us to focus on our mental healthand our well being, doctor Jordan Valrath
and Sarah Dimmerman. Coming up afterthe break. Stay tuned stream us live
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at SAGA nine sixty am dot c. A welcome back to the Mindset mentor
Antania Kohl are helping you live yourbest life. And I know it's really
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tough to feel like you're living yourbest life or even to imagine living your
best life when your mental health issuffering or you know, at a decline.
We've all been there to some degreeor another, and I think it's
so important to reach out and getthe help, you know, particularly before
things really start to escalate, becauseyou know, I think we all know
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somebody or have felt that our mentalhealth is really you know, declining dramatically.
So it's so important to have ourexports today helping us with our mental
health and you know, offering thetools resources of how to get the help
that we need. We have SarahDimmerman who's a psychologist and author. She's
been in the indust for over thirtyyears. She's written five self help books
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and she has created a system calledreferred to Me. You can check it
out at referred to Me dot cA which is an incredible resource tools to
find the referrals to the right people, the experts that can help you with
your mental health and well being overall. And doctor Jordan Vallrath who's a family
physician and he is also a digitalhealth entrepreneur and with Cherry Health, which
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is Canada's medical network, and he'salso the chief medical officer there. So
I'd love to just continue the conversationwith you both. Jordan, you know,
as far as you know physicians go, I mean, you talked a
little bit about how clearly physicians alsoare experiencing mental health and I can imagine
that you know, it might beoverwhelming when you've got all of these patients,
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you know, trying to get accessto you or needing access and as
you want to help, but itcan be overwhelming, So how do you
refer other people and how do youfind the people to refer your patients or
clients too. Yeah, well youcan't boil the ocean, right, So
you need that team, team basedcomprehensive care and that support network for your
patients, right, and so beingable to connect them to those resources in
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the community is immensely important. Right. You can't do it all yourself.
You're not trained to do it allyourself, you don't have the time to
do it all yourself, and sothat's where it is difficult right now,
Like healthcare in Canada is very fragmentedand scattered, right, And so Sarah's
network refer to me is really reallyhelpful, especially like you know, as
a locum physician, you know,if you're providing temporary relief coverage, you
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land in a new community, maybeeven a new province, you have no
network, you don't know what thosecommunity resources look like, and so you
really are at the mercy of justusing Google Maps at that point to try
and find something for your patients,which is obviously not as useful as having
like a purpose built, dedicated toolto actually give you that detailed information you
need, right, because not allhealthcare practitioners are created equal, right,
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Everyone has their own specific interests,their own specific niche work, their own
skills, their strengths, and sobeing able to plug somebody in, you
know, if it's psychology, youknow whatever, that very specific thing is
somebody who's well versed in that andcan provide that exact type of care and
so that that really is the valueof the network. Yeah, and I
think that's really key too. UM. But also it's really great to know
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that if there is a fee involved, and sometimes you know, insurance,
you know, we'll pay for theseresources, and I think that's important for
people to check and look into UM. I recently found out about UM Oxygen
Hyperbaric Chambers that they're they're actually youknow, some of their services are covered
under insurance, and I had noidea, So I thought, wow,
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wouldn't that be cool if we wereto go to let's say, refer to
me dot c A and check outsome of the services and know that you
know, is this is this goingto be covered or Also it's important to
know if it's not covering, sowe can you know, budget for that
or make it as vision. Well, maybe that's not the best thing to
do at this time or maybe itis, but it's really important to have
those those resources in the access sowe we don't have too much time all
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left. So I'd love to getum, you know, some some final
advice from from each of you.So we'll start with Sarah, Um if
you know somebody right now again Umis finding it, you know, challenging
to live day to day lives?What is your advice on? You know,
where do they start? So ifI were to go to refer to
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me dot c A, you know, what what do I want to type
in? Well? As you said, you know, if if it's just
if you don't have a specific ifyou if you're not being diagnosed you know
as having depression or anxiety, youmay not need that official diagnosis because you
may just know that you have anxiety. You don't need an official label to
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say that I'm anxious or I'm feelingdepressed. Um. And sometimes you need
to find somebody to create that toto help you with that diagnosis. Sometimes,
you know, if you're a student, you can get a comidations if
you have certain diagnoses, etc.So I think just typing in whatever you
feel, and there's more general concernslike just stressors or stress could be one
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of the concerns. So I thinklooking for help And to your point about
cost, I know that that's huge. I would say the majority of my
clients have insurance coverage, and youknow you wouldn't be able to see online
whether the professional is covered or noton my site anyway. But I think
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if you have any insurance coverage throughyour place of work, or you've taken
out insurance privately through through a companylike Blue Cross, then you know,
then you would be able to contactyour insurance provided to find out what they
cover. Or sometimes you know theyonly cover psychologists or social work. But
I know that you know the collegesof psychotherapy, for example, are really
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exploring getting their health professionals covered too, And I hope that into of a
time and with their hard work,then more and more health professionals will be
covered, because I think it's veryhelpful, and I would say the majority
of my clients are covered. Butalso look in your community, like I
actually work for a community community agencypart time where they provide me with people
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who wouldn't have any coverage through workand who are low income, and they
get money from the government to paymy part of my fee. I don't
chart as match, but a certainfee in order for me to see these
people five times, So five timesis better than no times. And then
if they still need more counseling,I may either be able to continue with
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them or I may be able torefer them back into the community. Sometimes
it's very hard, and that's partof my goal is to get more community
agencies on my site so that it'snot all paying for, so people can
find not for profit or no payingagencies that they can go to. Oh,
I love that. I think thatabsolutely makes sense. And I agree
that you know it's certainly needed.And we've all seen that and witnessed that
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in our lives, you know,and the stress levels and anxiety is shot
way up, and you know,it's really important to have those resources.
And Jordan, any final thoughts thatyou'd love to share with everyone, I'll
double down on that. Like absolutely, if you have benefits available to you
through your employer, make use ofthose. Those are an incredible resource.
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Right Like, you don't have towait until something's painful or you're having panic
attacks and meltdowns. Right Like,just like your car, you take it
in for some routine maintenance and oilchanges. You don't have to wait for
something to break and make sure you'regoing to being proactive with your health.
I think that's hugely, hugely important. And then shameless plug for myself and
cherry Health here, like, thenext time your physicians talking about not having
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access to time off or your communityis short on physicians, send them over
our way. Cherry Dot Health isthe website we're helping dozens of communities recruit
physicians every week and it's free.There's absolutely no cost, so you two
can help your doctor help themselves.Oh. I love that. You know,
it's so interesting because you know,you think that the medical professionals have
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all the answers and that their lifeis perfect, but you know everybody has
experienced stress, and I think it'sso overwhelming for any medical professionals in this
day and age to really feel asthough they're tapped out. I mean they
are stretched to the max right,so really important to have that access.
And I want to say thank youso much, Sarah Dimmerman doctor Jordan vall
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Wrath for joining us today here onthe Mindset Mentor and helping us to cultivate
and live our best lives. YEA. In the meantime, let's connect follow
me on social You can find meon Facebook, on Instagram, on LinkedIn,
and I'd love to have you becomea part of my network. And
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I always love that you guys aretuning in and listening and up leveling your
life. So remember that when itcomes to self image, it is really
hard, if not impossible, actuallyto outperform your self image. So if
right now you are not feeling confident, I want you to start thinking about
your self image. That's a topicthat I deal with a lot when it
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comes to coaching my clients, andit's a great starting point because oftentimes we
have an image of ourselves that doesn'teven come close to our worthiness and what
we are capable of achieving. Andthat's where all of the blocks sort of
come into play, and we blockand we restrict what is available to us,
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the great, the amazing things thatare available to us. We put
a barrier in a block because ultimatelyit's because we just don't feel like we're
worthy enough. And that is linkedto your self image, on what you
believe to be true about yourself.And I gotta tell you that a lot
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of that is just a lie.It's what we have been conditioned to believe
about ourselves. And I can tellyou that I know exactly what that feels
like, because I lived a lifewhere I had a very poor self image
and I didn't feel worthy of havinggreat things and good things happening in my
life. And I always felt fora really odd reason that and not really
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an odd reason, because I knowwhat the reasoning is. It's it's conditioning
that I picked up some patterns thatI picked up, you know, from
you know, my childhood, andit's the belief that I had to suffer
just a little bit more than everybodyelse. And it's so funny because you
know, as I say that,I can hear how ridiculous that sounds.
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The belief of that is ridiculous,right, But the truth is is that
I fully believed it and I embracedthat like it was truth. And that's
why I do what I do now, because I want to help I want
to help you ravel those limiting beliefsthat are ridiculous there. They're just beliefs
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that are not true, and Iwant you to shatter the falsehoods about yourself,
and I want you to really boostand up level your self image so
that you can reach your full potentialbecause you already have it within you and
I really help my clients to seethat. And I'd love to have you
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join me on you know, socialfind me on any of those places that
you're app Send me an email atTanya and Tanya Kolar dot com and tell
me, UM, you know whatit is that you're struggling with. Maybe
you have an idea for a showthat you'd like to have coming up.
UM. In fact, I havea course coming up in September. This
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is a group course. I usuallydo private coaching, but from time to
time you'll see some of those groupcoaching programs pop up, so it's a
great opportunity for you to join inif you like. UM. It's called
Men Infestation Mastery. It's an eightweek group coaching program where I am helping
you to master attracting the life thewhich you want right now, and a
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lot of that does have to dowith self image and of course limiting beliefs,
which we will definitely delve into onthat. So if you would like
to register for that, send mean email and then again I can send
you the information and give you allof the details. It's going to be
Tuesdays in September starting at six pmsix pm sharp to get you going and
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to get you ready to start manifestingthe life that is worthy of you.
We're going to help you to turnthose dreams that you feel are impossible.
We're going to turn that into realityfor you, because it is possible.
We're going to break those barriers whereyou're want to help you expand the self
image, expanding beyond who you thinkyou are to the person that you intend
(44:00):
to become. It's right there foryou, my friends, you can absolutely
do it. We're also gonna helpyou to cultivate, you know, an
abundant mindset, so shifting those thoughtsof the lack limitation and doubt, which
I had a ton of those,let me tell you, And that's all
linked to fear right. So I'mgoing to show you how to breakthrough that
(44:22):
and to develop that prosperous mindset.So remember this is an eight week course.
There is a fee involved, butagain, if you're interested, I
will send you information. Shoot mean email and I will get that information
to you. We're also going totalk about how to align with your true
desires first of all, to attractwhat it is right, to get out
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the vibration and the frequency of attractingwhat it is that you desire. And
then also laser goal setting really importantto know what it is that you want
to create in life. And youknow, that's really quite interesting because if
you ask most people what they want, most people can't really tell you specifically
(45:06):
what they want. They give youanswers like, you know, I want
success or money, or health orhappiness. But there is power when you
can define what it is you want. It's a powerful vision and those goals
to align with your most authentic self, living to your full potential, to
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what feels true to you and itfeels good. And you know that's my
goal, that is my absolute goalfor you is to live your best life.
I'm gonna help you get rid ofthose barriers. That's why I have
amazing guests on my show to helpyou to see things in a different light.
Right because oftentimes whatever we get sofixed and stuck in our belief system,
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we can't see beyond where we areat in that present moment. And
if we can start to you know, bring in new thoughts, new ideas,
we can recode those old, wornout patterns that no longer serve us.
So it's a really, uh,you know, great opportunity to tune
in listen in to some great guestssharing their stories. I love, I
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love to have um you know examples. So you know, this is your
opportunity to tell me what it isthat you want to hear coming up.
You know, if you have anidea, if you're struggling with something I
want to hear from you, pleaselet me know. And again, follow
me on social You can find meon Facebook, on Instagram, on LinkedIn
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and on Twitter as well. Ihaven't done a lot of tweets. I'm
gonna be honest, it's a littleoverwhelming with all the social media. But
you know, that's kind of sometimesin life. You have to pick what
is important to you and go forit and get and go and you know,
really put your heart and soul intothings and be present, to be
present to what is available to you. So again, thank you so much
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for tuning in into the minds thatmentor. It is my honor and it
is my pleasure to serve you andto assist and to help be a facilitator
for great stories and for guests tohave some education to share with you knowledge
or wisdom, expertise, and anduh, you know that's that's my vision
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for you is to expand your selfimage, to move beyond where you are.
So today my special guests Sarah Demmermanand doctor Jordan vall Wrath were really
instrumental again in helping to get thatprocess started and to connect people right so
that they can get the guidance thatthey need and at least to know where
to get it. So check thatout at refer to me dot c A
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and also Cherry Health for more information. And I look forward to serving you
next Thursday at three pm to helpyou up level your life and to see
things in an you like to breakdown those barriers, those limiting beliefs that
keep you stuck and playing small.Because I will tell you this, you
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were meant to live an absolutely magnificentlife. So remember that. Okay,
you were meant to live a magnificentlife, and I want you to step
up and claim it. I'm TanyaKola, your mindset mentor, best selling
author, speaker, mindset coach,entrepreneur and president and founder of Ignite Life
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Mastery, Inc. Which is aglobal personal development company focused on helping entrepreneurs,
organizations, and individuals like you evolvedto the next level of human performance
and potential and want you to rememberthat with the right mindset, you can
have, do and be anything youtruly desire. And over the past several
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years, that's exactly what I doand help individuals it like you to waken
your potential to achieve the highest levelof personal and professional performat and destroy those
hidden blocks that keep you stuck andso that you can live your most magnificent
life. No Radio, No Problemstream is live on Suggay nine sixty am dot C
The views expressed in the following programare those of the participants and do not
necessarily reflect the views of Saga ninesixty am or its management. Welcome to
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the Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya Kola, helping you live your best life.
You know, our mindset is crucialto living our best life and how we
feel. And so many people havebeen struggling with mental health, the challenges,
the daily stressor's anxiety, depression,you know, all these things have
seemed to escalate of late and today'sshow, we're really going to help to
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keep your mindset positive and give yousome options when it comes to taking care
of your mental health because it's soso important. So on today's show,
I have two special guests. Theyare experts in their field. Sarah Demriment.
You may remember Sarah. She hada show actually called help Me Sarah
right here on Saga nine sixty andshe has been up to so many great
things. She has created a servicecalled refer to Me. So she's the
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founder of referred to Me, whichis a really great way to get you
connected to the professionals and the resourcesthat you need to foster wonderful mental health.
So we're gonna dive into that.She's also a psychologist. She's an
author of multiple books, self helpbooks my favorite category, so much amazing
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information there. She's also a podcasthost and also joining us today is doctor
Jordan vall Wrath. He's a familyphysician, he's a digital health entrepreneur and
a specialist working of course in mentalhealth. So you're going to get amazing
advice today and just the tools andsometimes inspiring thought and giving you that that
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option of you know, knowing what'savailable, I think makes all the front
so make sure you stay tuned.Doctor val Wrath is also chief medical Officer
at Cherry Health, Canada's medical network, so we'll learn more about that.
But how about we just jump intothe conversation and say hello and welcome doctor
Val Wrath and Sarah Demmerman. Greatto have you both on the show today,
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Thact, Yeah awesome. So youknow, I'd love to just start
with, um, you know,a broad overview of your perspective on what
you're seeing in today's society in termsof the need for mental health and the
services that have been either available ornot available to people. So Sarah,
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what can you what can you sayto that to start as a broad perspective.
So I just want to also mentionthat although referred to me as heavily
focused on mental health, and themajority of health professionals on that directory or
in that directory or psychologist, psychotherapist, social workers, art therapists, etc.
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We are incorporating not exclusively mental healthprofessionals, but also other health professionals
such as speech and language pathologists,occupational therapists, physiotherapists, dietitians. Because
I believe strongly in people working togetherin being able to provide what we call
like a circle of care for ourclients. And that's also why you know,
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I approach Cherry Health about working withus, because I felt that working
with medical doctors, I mean,the medical doctors are the gateway to other
specialists and often the first people thatpatients speak to about their mental health or
physical health issues. And so formedical doctors to be able to look at
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the directory referred to me and beable to find somebody that is geographically maybe
close to the client or the patient, or speaks the same language, is
dealing specifically with a certain area ofmental health, such as an eating disorder
for example, is so vital andthe reason that I created that directory was
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so that we could all work collaborativelyand we could be able to refer to
one another and also be able totalk to one another about different things that
are going on. And the reasonthat I came up with the ideas because,
as you mentioned, I've been apsychologist for over thirty years, and
now that I've been in this fieldfor a long time, my primary contacts
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or my colleagues are in the sameposition as me. Most of us have
full practices after so many years,we're not taking on or we're seldom taking
on new clients. Some people inmy age, lifestyle and time of life
have retired from their practices, andI find that I needed to expand my
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network of referrals. And I alsorealized that medical doctors also needed to expand
their list because as I'm sure doctorVulrith could talk more about this, but
you know, often people will referto the same old people just because they
have those names in their so calledrollo decks, but they don't really know
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that those people are not taking onnew people who have retired sou So,
I wanted to make sure that wehad a really up to date directory that
people who could just go to typein a certain number of you know,
just information into the search field,press you know, press select and just
you know, anyone that's in thedirectory that matches that search will come up.
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That's awesome. Um, you know, I I've heard that actually quite
a bit where um, you know, doctor perhaps is not taking on new
patients and then people are left tostruggle. And actually, personally, my
family physician of you know, decadeshad kind of gave up her practice,
semi retirement, so to speak.But she and she actually gave me a
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contact. But I also had otherfamily members who were all so you know,
with her who were not able toget uh, you know, a
doctor for quite a while. AndI've heard this happen for for other people.
Does that it's a little bit different. That's a little bit different than,
you know, than the service thatwe provide because we unfortunately are not
finding doctors to refer to. Yeah, so doctors referred to professionals in the
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directory, but we don't have contactwith other people that may be able to
help them. But perhaps got it, Jordan, maybe you might have your
finger on the pulse in terms ofI don't know, do you do you
know, doctors that might be availablefor people that are searching, because that
is a huge issue in in societyright now. Well, kind of unpacking
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that a little bit. There's twobig things there, right, Like just
the absolute paucity of physicians in general, right, regardless of if it's a
mental health or just your your otherwell being, right. And then two
at the same time, the actualmental health side of things, and that's
that's one of the biggest underserved,underfunded parts of our healthcare system. And
it's kind of crazy. Like Imyself, my clinical practice is all focused
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purely on mental health, specifically asrelates to obesity and weight loss at the
clinic there, and so my practicethere is a giant weightless to get in
to see us, and we canonly have so many visits with patients.
But that mental health counseling is coveredby the government of Alberta here. But
then as soon as somebody gets referredover to a psychologist or a counselor,
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you know, they don't have abilling code and set up with the provincial
government for that. So now suddenlyit's unfunded. So you do find some
pockets of physicians offering mental health counseling. I know here in Alberta there's owl
Pod. My colleague Ashan Sharma actuallyjust branched out to set up his whole
own mental health clinic focused around addictions. And so you do find some resources
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here that are going to be coveredby the government, but it's a huge
blind spot just in general. Iagree. Yeah, So what about you
know, you know, you spokespecifically doctor of all Wrath about specializing in
a weight loss and obesity, whichobviously ties into our mental health and you
know how we feel about ourselves,um, physically and mentally, right,
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But it seems to be that somany people um, through COVID have increased
their their you know weight, uh, through whatever reasons. You know,
maybe because we've spent more time homeand we were bored and had nowhere to
go, and then it's like whatdo I do? Right? Um?
And so people, you know,we're even baking more was a thing I
heard. So many people started tolearn how to bake and so but therefore,
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if we're doing that, we needto eat and ingest those foods,
right, So is that something thatyou're you're seeing now that has had a
detriment um you know, to tolifestyle and everyday living that's on the on
the increase. Oh absolutely. Imean the link between just like weight management
and mental health is huge, right, and so kind of the topic you're
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scratching on, there is this sortof the concept of emotional eating in general,
and so it certainly boredom counts asone of those main triggers. But
just in my practice we see thefull spectrum. You know, people are
rewarding themselves because something went well andthen leaning into food or they had a
bad day and that your food isnow they're they're coping mechanism, or they're
lonely or you name it, right, And so food winds up being that
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that fresh for a lot of differentpeople, and so that it turns into
a spiral, right, because thenthat affects your image and your your mindset,
and that leads to more comfort foodand so on and so forth.
And I think you know that becomesvery dangerous where um, you know,
it could lead to hopelessness when youfeel like you're giving up, you know,
because it's like all right, whenyou start to do a few things,
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um that you know are not idealfor you, maybe overindulging in you
know, food or drink or whateverthat addiction might be, we overindulge a
little bit, let's say, andthen when we continue to do that,
we start to see some of thenegative impact. And then it could be
in the terms of, you know, gaining x amount of weight and then
we just feel like, oh,we can never lose it. And I
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think that leads to that hopelessness,which leads to a lot of the depression,
which leads to you know, alot of other issues that we are
experiencing on the mental health front.So do you have advice, you know,
maybe both of you can share yourexperiences, if you have some advice
for somebody who is struggling with addictionin terms of how they can first maybe
not even get to that point,because I think it's a lot easier sometimes
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to handle things before they get youknow, extremely big and maybe these big
addictions. So how can we sortof maybe be preventative in that case?
Go ahead? I was just sayingfrom my experience working in the mental health
field, I know that addiction orthe propensity to be addicted, is often
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genetic. M Sometimes it's what you'veseen in your family, but often there's
a genetic component towards becoming addicted tosomething, and so you know, I
would say that people who are selfaware, or have been in counseling,
or or looked at themselves, theymight think about, you know, I
don't want to engage in the samekind of behaviors as my parent might have,
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So what can I do differently?Because the modeling might have been one
you know that you may even ifyou see a parent over drinking, using
alcohol, alcoholis or something you knowtoo much, you might think, I
never want to be like that.But sometimes you become that way even without
tending to be intending to be sobeing able to look at your own behavior
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and say, you know, atthe end of a long day, do
you say something like oh I reallyneed a drink, you know? Or
that might be like a telltale signor a red flag that if you're starting
to say those kinds of things andyour father or your mother was an alcohol
addiction, what else can you do? So I think talking to somebody about
it and the pin of the badin some way would be very helpful.
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Yeah, that's what Jordan, youwere going to say. I was just
thinking, I mean, addiction,it covers a lot of different things.
That relate back to that mental healthside. But step one is, you
know, just every once in awhile kind of stop and do an inventory
and kind of try and take astep back and do an objective look at
those habits, right, and certainlyaddiction, you know, as it relates
to my clinical practice plays out alot of different ways. You know,
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we've got the people that are youknow, on the cannabis used disorder spectrum,
and it's really difficult to lose weightif you just have the munchies all
the time and you're in that kindof a motivational state where getting up and
doing things and these other facets ofyour life and taking care of your general
daily living activities starts to fall offto the wayside. Or as it relates
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to alcohol used to disorder, youknow, now you're suddenly disinhibited. Now
your your goals and your ambitions andthese other side of things start to follow
the wayside. Let alone, justthe calories and the nutritional detriments just from
consuming it all all the way tothe people that are just chocoholics, right,
the chocolate and releases a ton ofdopamine directly into your brain, and
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so we see a lot of thatdirectly as well, and you know,
just kind of like looking under therug every once in a while and just
having those honest questions with yourself oflike do I see any issue with my
current habits? You know, likeshould I take a closer look at this?
You know, is there consequences tomy life of what I'm doing?
Then maybe I haven't been paying attentionbefore. And a lot of it relates
to, you know, just thestigma around addiction and mental health. Right.
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Like, we've seen kind of agenerational shift in this in terms of
people a lot more willing to justlike have these conversations, be open with
themselves, their friends, their doctor, and so that's been hugely positive just
for society in general, and that'sstill taking place. Only recently has that
started to change. Yeah, Andnow what a beautiful shift because it's so
necessary, you know, having theseconversations because then that those conversations lead to
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the ability to take that inventory andand also to check in with family and
friends as well, you know,because we can be uh, you know
a little more observant, let's say, to those behaviors, um, because
we can be blinded in our owncircumstances. You know, and I you
know, you were you were talkingabout you know, oh, Sarah you
had mentioned as someone says, ohI really need a drink, right,
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Uh, Doctor Volworth, you weretalking about the chocolate, you know,
reaching for those foods, and I'mI'm thinking, I'm totally guilty of that.
I mean, I've had those momentswhere I've absolutely overindulged. And it's
it's that need sometimes O jest todistress. Um. But I I have
taken that inventory, as you say, and I've recognized those patterns, and
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you know, I'm proactive on,you know, eliminating those patterns. But
I think that first key piece isthe awareness, you know, delving a
little deeper. And um, youknow, Sarah you had mentioned that,
let's say, for example, thatsomebody you know does have, you know,
an alcohol addiction or whatever that addictionmay be, and you were saying
that you know it could come fromthat family pattern. So I look at
it as though, I mean,my parents were not alcoholics. I'm not
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an alcoholic by any stretch, butI I know I have a tendency sometimes
to we're indulged in something, whetherit's chocolate or wine at a particular time
or coffee. So I've recognized thatthere can be a pattern that I'm mimicking
that's not directly one thing, butmanifests in another way. Does that make
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sense? Well? Yeah, Imean you look at how subconsciously and consciously
you look at how the people aroundyou manage problems. Right, So,
um, you know does did yourparents say I can't cope, I'm going
to sleep, I'm going to havea nap? You know that that teaches
a child or somebody growing up thatthe way that I cope with problems is
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I shut down and I go tosleep. Maybe maybe that's positive because when
the person wakes up, maybe theycan handle the problems better. But sometimes
the problem gets swept under the rugand never dealt with. And so you
learn things by what you see aroundyou. And so I think it is
important. And to your point aboutmaybe sometimes over indulging, I think it's
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okay to sometimes over indulge so longas you have people around you that can
keep you safe. I think it'salso but it's also I think really important
to look at are you noticing changesin your own behavior? So I work
with clients, for example, whomight start using cannabis like socially and really
enjoy the experience, or maybe they'regoing through really rough time in their lives
and they find that it really numbsthem or they don't think is negatively,
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and then they start to see,well, you know what, I'm just
going to use it before I goto sleep every night. And then they
start to notice that now it's notjust before I go to sleep, but
I'm using it like mid afternoon,just to get it because I think more
clearly when I've had some cannabis orI've had an edible or whatever. And
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so sometimes a client will even sharethat with me, but hasn't made the
connection that their behavior is changing.And I'll say something like, you know,
so, what I hear is thatyou used to use cannabis just before
you went to sleep, and nowyou're using a daily sometimes two or three
times a day. Let's look atwhat's going on here, like what do
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you how why are you using this? So I think sometimes it takes,
as you mentioned, somebody from theoutside. Now people are much more inclined
to listen to their therapists or totheir doctor, and not always so inclined
to listen to their families because theyfeel like they're being judged. Well,
the back goes up, doesn't it, right, our defenses and we're already
you know, preparing, like howwe're going to get out of this,
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right, It's like we feel like, oh no, right, so we're
going to take a break in amoment. But doctor of all Wrath,
I just want to give you anopportunity to add on to what Sarah,
you know, just spoke about.Yeah, I mean, it's a fine
line between moderation and escapism, right, and certainly all of these things can
go too far down that path,but it definitely is important to ask yourself,
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you know, like why am Idoing this? And it could take
any form, right, gambling,sex, drugs, video games, alcohol,
you know, all these different thingsare pretend channels for that. And
like am I self medicating? Right? Like am I treating some underlying thing?
You know, in a nonproductive kindof counter productive fashion? And just
like really, you got to takea step back and evaluate that every once
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in a while. And if friendsor family are starting to get concerned,
you know, that's definitely a redflag for you yourself to be like,
Okay, maybe I shouldn't just beon the defensive. Maybe I should consider
perhaps my use of whatever one ofthese items is starting to get out.
You be an outlier on that spectrum. Excellent advice. Absolutely, So we're
going to continue this incredible conversation withmy special guest today, Sarah Dimmerman and
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doctor Jordan vall Wrath. We're helpingto you know, give you some options
and some tools, and I'll haveaccess to professionals who can help you on
your journey with mental health. Youknow, it's so important to to living
our best lives, is to feelingoptimal. And we're going to continue with
this conversation here helping you to liveyour best life. You're listening to the
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Mindset Mentor on Saga nine sixty.We'll be back no Radio, no Problem
stream is live on SAGA nine sixtyAM dot C A Welcome back to the
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Mindset Mentor. You're listening to Saganine sixty today. We are helping with
your mental health because of course,your mental health really is so key and
vital to feeling good. You know, I think the worst thing is when
we feel like you know, youget up in the in the morning and
you just don't want to start yourday, or you have a family member
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or a loved one who is experiencingthat. So you know, it's really
good to get someone and just tosee what our options are and maybe some
access to professionals and the professionals thatyou know, we can refer someone an
a loved one too, or evenourselves. Right, It's always important to
take care of yourself because we remember, right, um, you know,
when you give your best self isthat's a gift to everybody to a win
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win. So my special guest todayare Sarah Dimmerman. She is a psychologist
for over thirty years. By theway, she's an author of five self
help books and we can talk aboutthose a little bit later. She's also
the founder of refer to Me,which is a great resource to get the
information to and access to experts inthe field of mental health and more.
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And then are special guests joining ustoday is doctor Jordan vall Rath. Jordan
is a family physician and a digitalhealth entrepreneur. We'll talk about what exactly
that means. He's also a specialistworking in mental health, which again is
you know, so invaluable these days. He's also the chief medical Officer at
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Cherry Health, which is Canada's medicalnetwork so I want to thank you both,
Um Sarah and Jordan for being withus here today because I think that
mental health is now at the forefront, and it's so important to have these
conversations. People you know didn't wantto talk about it, you know,
decades ago, people suffered, youknow, because of that, and suppression
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of course leads to disease in thebody and all kinds of mental health destructive
patterns you know, can come fromthat. So it's really important to have
these conversations. And I would loveto talk about some of the work that
you do, doctor vall Wrath andwhat digital health means, you know,
how can we get access to moremental health and let's just dive in a
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little deeper. Yeah, absolutely,so, I mean a big focus of
what we do is founded in thatmental health aspect, right, So of
course there's a big push on frontof just like the patient facing side of
mental health, but also in termsof our practitioners. Our physicians, are
psychologists, are dentists, right,you name it. Like everyone out there
is dealing their own things and havefight in their own battles. And so
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one of the biggest problems right nowis just burnout and depression in terms of
the medical space. And so that'sreally one of the biggest impetus is and
the reasons why we started building thismedical network for Canada. You know,
we started out facilitating locums. Thatwas like the entire value right there.
And so locum is just Latin forsubstitute doctor basically, and so in Canada
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here there's no infrastructure to really likefacilitate this across the country. You know
how a school board has a centralcall room to help find substitute teachers.
In healthcare, it's just a freefor all, like good luck if you
get sick, if you have asurgery, if it's just your anniversary,
or you have to go on vacation, and so there's that sense of duty
to one's patients. You can't justup and leave or close down the doors,
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because people's health starts to deterior rate, right And so there's just this
shortage of physicians across the country andlet alone all the other healthcare practitioners,
but specifically I deal with mostly physiciansright now, and so you just could
not find this temporary coverage and soyou overwork, you burn out, your
capacity starts to decrease. We're seeinglike a large exodus. People are retiring
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early, they're tapering back their clinicalpractice, their hours doing things that are
more non clinical and sort of thisfire that's fueling itself in terms of just
amount of practitioners out there. Andso that was kind of the entire idea
behind building this medical network. Willjust start connecting doctors with this temporary coverage,
and it's sense blown up to includethe physician jobs and careers of all
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sorts. And very soon here we'reopening the network up to other medical professionals
as well, all the allied healthjust they deal with the same problems,
right, Like that's healthcare in Canada. There's just these blind spots, all
the different practitioners or their own smallbusinesses, and so there's not as much
of this central coordination as for examplein the teaching analogy. Um, but
that that really is a big basisjust around us. Yeah, I love
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that. It makes perfect sense,right because it's just um, you know,
having the tools and knowing where togo right to find the right people
that can help you. I mean, that's that's essential. And everybody everybody
experiences, uh, you know,some form of stress. Uh you know,
and it's really important for everyone tohave, um, you know,
the ability to do something about itright and to and not to feel like
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they're alone, because I think that'sthat's one of the big problems and I
think that's some of the crises thathappened through COVID, is that big feeling
of I am alone and we wereso disconnected, and I think people really
struggle with that. So Sarah,let's talk a little bit about how refer
to me also, um you know, can can aid and assist with with
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that and add on to what Jordanhad just spoke about. Well, one
of the things I wanted to tomention, and as Jordan mentioned, his
Cherry Health is Canada wide and that'spart of why I approached them about working
with us, because we're Canada wideas well. And I think that's really
important because as a psychologist, ifI have a client that's moving to another
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province, I'm not able to seethem because when you become registered, you're
registered within your province and you canregister in other provinces, but you have
to actually do that. I can'tsee somebody who's moved to Vancouver. In
fact, I can't even see somebodyif they've gone to Vancouver for a holiday,
so I'm you know, I couldonly see clients in Ontario. And
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so the beauty of being across Canadadirectory is that I can then go on
my own directory and find somebody inVancouver or Newfoundland or in New Brunswick,
and I can make that referral.And the beauty of being mostly digital because
you know, COVID, You know, there were many really awful things that
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happened to a lot of people duringCOVID. But I think that one of
the good things that happened, andwhy the time is so right for both
myself and Jordan in terms of interestproducing these these digital platforms, is because
my practice, you know, becameentirely virtual during COVID and was probably busier
than ever before because as we allknow, people's mental health. Children were
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struggling and not being at school socially, parents were struggling having their children at
home. Couples were struggling because theywere disagreeing about whether you should have the
vaccine or not. I mean,so many miracle and family issues emerged.
And I found that, you know, like we are so up close right
now to one another, I actuallyfound that it was even more intimate when
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I was working with clients online becausewe were like face to face. And
so even though I've opened up mypractice to have people come in person now
really only twenty percent of my clientscome in person. And so so referred
to me enables us, as Isaid, to look Canada wide. But
also I couldn't fur to somebody inanother part of Ontario even if my client
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lives close to me where I amresiding, because clients can go anywhere.
So it's opened it up in thatway because we're digital. And what's also
really great about referred to me isit's free, so people can go on.
The clinicians pay a small fee tohave their profiles on there, but
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doctors have completely free access to it, and the public has completely free access
to it. So you can justgo on and put your information and come
up with people right away. Andwe're growing all the time. So if
you don't find what you're looking forone day, you may find what's looking
for the next week. So canyou give us an example, you know,
again, of some of the resourcesthat are available. So if I,
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you know, want to take offa few boxes, let's say,
you know, for my mental healthor physical health and well being. What
options would be there, So wehave dropped down drop down menu for each
for each search field, so youmay put in if you don't care whether
you see a psychologist, social worker, or psychotherapist for example, you may
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not fill in the designation field.But if you have coverage for psychology,
for example, you may choose apsychologist from the drop down men you add
a designation. We have a verycomprehensive list of all the mental health and
other related concerns that are out there. So for speech and language pathology we
have like stuttering and other like aphasia. For mental health, we have eating
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disorders, addiction, and then webreak it down by the kinds of addiction.
I mean, every time we hearof another concern, we add it
to the list. We have languagesspoken, so you can choose somebody who
speaks your mother tongue. We havethe province. We have even the fee
if you want to choose within acertain fee structure. So what I usually
say to people, you know,if you put if you fill out all
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those search fields and nothing comes up, it's probably because you're you're, you're,
you're, you're kind of reducing yourchances of finding somebody because you're putting
in too much criteria. So insteadyou may take out like the fee,
for example, and just put inpsychologist Ontario and then see what comes up.
Or you may be more specific psychologisteating disorder Ontario and usually you'll come
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up with something like that. Soand so, UM, is that does
that give you enough for me?Yeah? I know that's that's yeah,
that sounds really great. And Iwas also thinking, uh and and I'm
not sure, so I'm going tojust ask the question. I mean,
does that include any sort of likenutritional therapist. Is there like acupuncture or
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chiropractors, body work? Yeah,we have chiropractice, acupuncturist, massage therapists,
um, any any body that workstogether or collaboratively, like I would
refer to to massage therapists, Iwould refer to, acupuncture, would referred
to chiropractical, I would refer tophysios. So and people would just go
to you. Men should referred tome, but it's be more specific.
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Referred to me dot c A.Yeah, excellent, so check it out.
Everyone refer to me dot c AA lot of incredible resources right there
at your fingertips, so that youdon't have to do all the searching.
I mean, this is amazing becauseyou can really find and it's kind of
like tailoring it right exactly to yourneeds and knowing proximity or doing it you
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know, digitally, there being theaccess is there for you. So we're
going to continue the conversation here onSAGA nine sixty with my special guests helping
us to focus on our mental healthand our well being, doctor Jordan Valrath
and Sarah Dimmerman. Coming up afterthe break. Stay tuned stream us live
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at SAGA nine sixty am dot c. A welcome back to the Mindset mentor
Antania Kohl are helping you live yourbest life. And I know it's really
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tough to feel like you're living yourbest life or even to imagine living your
best life when your mental health issuffering or you know, at a decline.
We've all been there to some degreeor another, and I think it's
so important to reach out and getthe help, you know, particularly before
things really start to escalate, becauseyou know, I think we all know
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somebody or have felt that our mentalhealth is really you know, declining dramatically.
So it's so important to have ourexports today helping us with our mental
health and you know, offering thetools resources of how to get the help
that we need. We have SarahDimmerman who's a psychologist and author. She's
been in the indust for over thirtyyears. She's written five self help books
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and she has created a system calledreferred to Me. You can check it
out at referred to Me dot cA which is an incredible resource tools to
find the referrals to the right people, the experts that can help you with
your mental health and well being overall. And doctor Jordan Vallrath who's a family
physician and he is also a digitalhealth entrepreneur and with Cherry Health, which
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is Canada's medical network, and he'salso the chief medical officer there. So
I'd love to just continue the conversationwith you both. Jordan, you know,
as far as you know physicians go, I mean, you talked a
little bit about how clearly physicians alsoare experiencing mental health and I can imagine
that you know, it might beoverwhelming when you've got all of these patients,
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you know, trying to get accessto you or needing access and as
you want to help, but itcan be overwhelming, So how do you
refer other people and how do youfind the people to refer your patients or
clients too. Yeah, well youcan't boil the ocean, right, So
you need that team, team basedcomprehensive care and that support network for your
patients, right, and so beingable to connect them to those resources in
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the community is immensely important. Right. You can't do it all yourself.
You're not trained to do it allyourself, you don't have the time to
do it all yourself, and sothat's where it is difficult right now,
Like healthcare in Canada is very fragmentedand scattered, right, And so Sarah's
network refer to me is really reallyhelpful, especially like you know, as
a locum physician, you know,if you're providing temporary relief coverage, you
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land in a new community, maybeeven a new province, you have no
network, you don't know what thosecommunity resources look like, and so you
really are at the mercy of justusing Google Maps at that point to try
and find something for your patients,which is obviously not as useful as having
like a purpose built, dedicated toolto actually give you that detailed information you
need, right, because not allhealthcare practitioners are created equal, right,
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Everyone has their own specific interests,their own specific niche work, their own
skills, their strengths, and sobeing able to plug somebody in, you
know, if it's psychology, youknow whatever, that very specific thing is
somebody who's well versed in that andcan provide that exact type of care and
so that that really is the valueof the network. Yeah, and I
think that's really key too. UM. But also it's really great to know
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that if there is a fee involved, and sometimes you know, insurance,
you know, we'll pay for theseresources, and I think that's important for
people to check and look into UM. I recently found out about UM Oxygen
Hyperbaric Chambers that they're they're actually youknow, some of their services are covered
under insurance, and I had noidea, So I thought, wow,
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wouldn't that be cool if we wereto go to let's say, refer to
me dot c A and check outsome of the services and know that you
know, is this is this goingto be covered or Also it's important to
know if it's not covering, sowe can you know, budget for that
or make it as vision. Well, maybe that's not the best thing to
do at this time or maybe itis, but it's really important to have
those those resources in the access sowe we don't have too much time all
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left. So I'd love to getum, you know, some some final
advice from from each of you.So we'll start with Sarah, Um if
you know somebody right now again Umis finding it, you know, challenging
to live day to day lives?What is your advice on? You know,
where do they start? So ifI were to go to refer to
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me dot c A, you know, what what do I want to type
in? Well? As you said, you know, if if it's just
if you don't have a specific ifyou if you're not being diagnosed you know
as having depression or anxiety, youmay not need that official diagnosis because you
may just know that you have anxiety. You don't need an official label to
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say that I'm anxious or I'm feelingdepressed. Um. And sometimes you need
to find somebody to create that toto help you with that diagnosis. Sometimes,
you know, if you're a student, you can get a comidations if
you have certain diagnoses, etc.So I think just typing in whatever you
feel, and there's more general concernslike just stressors or stress could be one
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of the concerns. So I thinklooking for help And to your point about
cost, I know that that's huge. I would say the majority of my
clients have insurance coverage, and youknow you wouldn't be able to see online
whether the professional is covered or noton my site anyway. But I think
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if you have any insurance coverage throughyour place of work, or you've taken
out insurance privately through through a companylike Blue Cross, then you know,
then you would be able to contactyour insurance provided to find out what they
cover. Or sometimes you know theyonly cover psychologists or social work. But
I know that you know the collegesof psychotherapy, for example, are really
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exploring getting their health professionals covered too, And I hope that into of a
time and with their hard work,then more and more health professionals will be
covered, because I think it's veryhelpful, and I would say the majority
of my clients are covered. Butalso look in your community, like I
actually work for a community community agencypart time where they provide me with people
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who wouldn't have any coverage through workand who are low income, and they
get money from the government to paymy part of my fee. I don't
chart as match, but a certainfee in order for me to see these
people five times, So five timesis better than no times. And then
if they still need more counseling,I may either be able to continue with
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them or I may be able torefer them back into the community. Sometimes
it's very hard, and that's partof my goal is to get more community
agencies on my site so that it'snot all paying for, so people can
find not for profit or no payingagencies that they can go to. Oh,
I love that. I think thatabsolutely makes sense. And I agree
that you know it's certainly needed.And we've all seen that and witnessed that
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in our lives, you know,and the stress levels and anxiety is shot
way up, and you know,it's really important to have those resources.
And Jordan, any final thoughts thatyou'd love to share with everyone, I'll
double down on that. Like absolutely, if you have benefits available to you
through your employer, make use ofthose. Those are an incredible resource.
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Right Like, you don't have towait until something's painful or you're having panic
attacks and meltdowns. Right Like,just like your car, you take it
in for some routine maintenance and oilchanges. You don't have to wait for
something to break and make sure you'regoing to being proactive with your health.
I think that's hugely, hugely important. And then shameless plug for myself and
cherry Health here, like, thenext time your physicians talking about not having
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access to time off or your communityis short on physicians, send them over
our way. Cherry Dot Health isthe website we're helping dozens of communities recruit
physicians every week and it's free.There's absolutely no cost, so you two
can help your doctor help themselves.Oh. I love that. You know,
it's so interesting because you know,you think that the medical professionals have
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all the answers and that their lifeis perfect, but you know everybody has
experienced stress, and I think it'sso overwhelming for any medical professionals in this
day and age to really feel asthough they're tapped out. I mean they
are stretched to the max right,so really important to have that access.
And I want to say thank youso much, Sarah Dimmerman doctor Jordan vall
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Wrath for joining us today here onthe Mindset Mentor and helping us to cultivate
and live our best lives. YEA. In the meantime, let's connect follow
me on social You can find meon Facebook, on Instagram, on LinkedIn,
and I'd love to have you becomea part of my network. And
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I always love that you guys aretuning in and listening and up leveling your
life. So remember that when itcomes to self image, it is really
hard, if not impossible, actuallyto outperform your self image. So if
right now you are not feeling confident, I want you to start thinking about
your self image. That's a topicthat I deal with a lot when it
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comes to coaching my clients, andit's a great starting point because oftentimes we
have an image of ourselves that doesn'teven come close to our worthiness and what
we are capable of achieving. Andthat's where all of the blocks sort of
come into play, and we blockand we restrict what is available to us,
(40:37):
the great, the amazing things thatare available to us. We put
a barrier in a block because ultimatelyit's because we just don't feel like we're
worthy enough. And that is linkedto your self image, on what you
believe to be true about yourself.And I gotta tell you that a lot
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of that is just a lie.It's what we have been conditioned to believe
about ourselves. And I can tellyou that I know exactly what that feels
like, because I lived a lifewhere I had a very poor self image
and I didn't feel worthy of havinggreat things and good things happening in my
life. And I always felt fora really odd reason that and not really
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an odd reason, because I knowwhat the reasoning is. It's it's conditioning
that I picked up some patterns thatI picked up, you know, from
you know, my childhood, andit's the belief that I had to suffer
just a little bit more than everybodyelse. And it's so funny because you
know, as I say that,I can hear how ridiculous that sounds.
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The belief of that is ridiculous,right, But the truth is is that
I fully believed it and I embracedthat like it was truth. And that's
why I do what I do now, because I want to help I want
to help you ravel those limiting beliefsthat are ridiculous there. They're just beliefs
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that are not true, and Iwant you to shatter the falsehoods about yourself,
and I want you to really boostand up level your self image so
that you can reach your full potentialbecause you already have it within you and
I really help my clients to seethat. And I'd love to have you
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join me on you know, socialfind me on any of those places that
you're app Send me an email atTanya and Tanya Kolar dot com and tell
me, UM, you know whatit is that you're struggling with. Maybe
you have an idea for a showthat you'd like to have coming up.
UM. In fact, I havea course coming up in September. This
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is a group course. I usuallydo private coaching, but from time to
time you'll see some of those groupcoaching programs pop up, so it's a
great opportunity for you to join inif you like. UM. It's called
Men Infestation Mastery. It's an eightweek group coaching program where I am helping
you to master attracting the life thewhich you want right now, and a
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lot of that does have to dowith self image and of course limiting beliefs,
which we will definitely delve into onthat. So if you would like
to register for that, send mean email and then again I can send
you the information and give you allof the details. It's going to be
Tuesdays in September starting at six pmsix pm sharp to get you going and
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to get you ready to start manifestingthe life that is worthy of you.
We're going to help you to turnthose dreams that you feel are impossible.
We're going to turn that into realityfor you, because it is possible.
We're going to break those barriers whereyou're want to help you expand the self
image, expanding beyond who you thinkyou are to the person that you intend
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to become. It's right there foryou, my friends, you can absolutely
do it. We're also gonna helpyou to cultivate, you know, an
abundant mindset, so shifting those thoughtsof the lack limitation and doubt, which
I had a ton of those,let me tell you, And that's all
linked to fear right. So I'mgoing to show you how to breakthrough that
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and to develop that prosperous mindset.So remember this is an eight week course.
There is a fee involved, butagain, if you're interested, I
will send you information. Shoot mean email and I will get that information
to you. We're also going totalk about how to align with your true
desires first of all, to attractwhat it is right, to get out
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the vibration and the frequency of attractingwhat it is that you desire. And
then also laser goal setting really importantto know what it is that you want
to create in life. And youknow, that's really quite interesting because if
you ask most people what they want, most people can't really tell you specifically
(45:06):
what they want. They give youanswers like, you know, I want
success or money, or health orhappiness. But there is power when you
can define what it is you want. It's a powerful vision and those goals
to align with your most authentic self, living to your full potential, to
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what feels true to you and itfeels good. And you know that's my
goal, that is my absolute goalfor you is to live your best life.
I'm gonna help you get rid ofthose barriers. That's why I have
amazing guests on my show to helpyou to see things in a different light.
Right because oftentimes whatever we get sofixed and stuck in our belief system,
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we can't see beyond where we areat in that present moment. And
if we can start to you know, bring in new thoughts, new ideas,
we can recode those old, wornout patterns that no longer serve us.
So it's a really, uh,you know, great opportunity to tune
in listen in to some great guestssharing their stories. I love, I
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love to have um you know examples. So you know, this is your
opportunity to tell me what it isthat you want to hear coming up.
You know, if you have anidea, if you're struggling with something I
want to hear from you, pleaselet me know. And again, follow
me on social You can find meon Facebook, on Instagram, on LinkedIn
(46:35):
and on Twitter as well. Ihaven't done a lot of tweets. I'm
gonna be honest, it's a littleoverwhelming with all the social media. But
you know, that's kind of sometimesin life. You have to pick what
is important to you and go forit and get and go and you know,
really put your heart and soul intothings and be present, to be
present to what is available to you. So again, thank you so much
(46:59):
for tuning in into the minds thatmentor. It is my honor and it
is my pleasure to serve you andto assist and to help be a facilitator
for great stories and for guests tohave some education to share with you knowledge
or wisdom, expertise, and anduh, you know that's that's my vision
(47:21):
for you is to expand your selfimage, to move beyond where you are.
So today my special guests Sarah Demmermanand doctor Jordan vall Wrath were really
instrumental again in helping to get thatprocess started and to connect people right so
that they can get the guidance thatthey need and at least to know where
to get it. So check thatout at refer to me dot c A
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and also Cherry Health for more information. And I look forward to serving you
next Thursday at three pm to helpyou up level your life and to see
things in an you like to breakdown those barriers, those limiting beliefs that
keep you stuck and playing small.Because I will tell you this, you
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were meant to live an absolutely magnificentlife. So remember that. Okay,
you were meant to live a magnificentlife, and I want you to step
up and claim it. I'm TanyaKola, your mindset mentor, best selling
author, speaker, mindset coach,entrepreneur and president and founder of Ignite Life
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Mastery, Inc. Which is aglobal personal development company focused on helping entrepreneurs,
organizations, and individuals like you evolvedto the next level of human performance
and potential and want you to rememberthat with the right mindset, you can
have, do and be anything youtruly desire. And over the past several
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years, that's exactly what I doand help individuals it like you to waken
your potential to achieve the highest levelof personal and professional performat and destroy those
hidden blocks that keep you stuck andso that you can live your most magnificent
life. No Radio, No Problemstream is live on Suggay nine sixty am dot C
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