Mindset Mentor - Epi 113 - Navigating Job Transition With Ease

In this episode, Tania Kolar interviews performance coach and co-author Zero2Hired and Canadian Job Search Guide for professionals about effective tools and strategies to successfully break through the interview process and how to navigate job transition. John shares his personal experience dealing with corporate layoffs and how he helped his team find placements. You will also hear about John’s “Iron Man” mindset.

Episode Transcript

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The views expressed in the following programare those of the participants and do not
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hello and welcome to the Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya Kohl, are helping you
live your best life. So ontoday's show, I've got you know expert
John Roberto joining us. He isa performance coach. He's also co host
of a very popular podcast called SayYes Podcast. Oftentimes we say no a
lot, don't we. Well,can't live your best life if you keep

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on saying no, no, whatshows up for you? Right? He's
also co author of two internationally acclaimedbooks. One is called Zero to Hired
and We've got lots of great tipsthat we'll share today and you'll learn some
secrets tools there to help you successfullybreak through the interview process. And also
the second book is called Canadian JobSearch Guide for Professionals. Youre going to

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learn a lot of tools here today. So how about we just jump into
the conversation and say, hello,John, it's so good to have you
here today. Yeah, thank you, Tanya. It's you know, it's
funny because it's I'm usually on theother side right now, I'm behind them,
like doing the interviews, and it'sso great to be here with you
on the Mindset mentor show, justto share with your audience what we can

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talk about. We can talk aboutcareers, we can talk about Iron Man,
we can talk about a bunch ofdifferent things. So we'll see where
it goes. I love it.I love it well. We'd love to
have great organic conversations that take usin any direction because it's very indicative of
life and you never know where you'regoing to end up, right, And
it's so interesting because you know,I love the work that you're doing in

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helping people in a very stressful time, and that time is when you don't
have a job, and there's somuch fear and uncertainty that is linked to
that. And that could be bychoice, right You've you've made a decision
that you no longer want to maybeput up with this job environment, or
it's just doesn't align with who youare at this point in your life,

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or you've had an identity crisis,or somebody's pushed you out of that job.
Right. That happens often, andthere's a lot of people who are
left with that feeling of oh mygoodness. Now that I've lost my job,
I've also lost my identity, andthere's that transition of now had to
cope with all of that. So, you know, I want to acknowledge

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you first of all, you know, for helping people in this time and
putting together instruction structure to say,hey, wait a second, you can
absolutely navigate this process. It's aprocess and you will get through to the
other side. So I'm curious John, just like off the top as to

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what kind of was the catalyst foryou. Did you actually experience that in
your life. Yeah, it's funnyyou say that I actually did. So
this whole the whole book started froman experience that I went through in two
thousand and nine. I worked foryou know what people may not know.
I worked for a large telecom organizationfor almost twenty two years myself. So

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within my role, I actually hadmy role eliminated a few times and depending
on the different roles that I wasin. One specific role was back in
two thousand and nine. It wasan interesting situation because we were told in
March that we were all losing ourjobs in September. Okay, so at
the time, I was a managerof a team. I had twenty five

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thirty people reporting into me, andI was given this news in March.
I didn't tell my team up untilApril is when I announced to them,
By the way, this is what'shappening, this is what we're going to
do. And the one thing,you know. I brought every person into
the room one by one, givingthem this news, and I said,
look, you know, the onething I need from you is to show
up one hundred and ten percent everyday. You know, if you're doing

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your job, I don't have toworry about you, and I can go
look for opportunities for you. Sowhat came from that is I sat every
person down. I delivered a promiseI didn't know how to deliver. You
ever do one of those like,oh yeah, I get yourself trouble.
I have no idea, But youknow one thing I've learned over the last
two years, it's not so muchabout the It's not so much about the

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how it is who you need tobe in order to reach that. How
So I made this promise. Ihad no idea how I was going to
deliver on the promise, but Isaid, you know, you show up
one hundred ten percent I'm going tofind you some opportunities and we'll get you
ready. So what ended up happeningis I brought everybody into the room one
by one, we started doing interviewprep, interview readiness for those opportunities that

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we're going to show up. Ipersonally started to reach out to people internally
inside the organization, and I alsostarted reaching externally to other organizations that we're
looking for people. So I said, hey, we've got, you know,
a bunch of qualified people. We'dlove to send them your way down
with them and give them an opportunityjust to have a conversation with you.
And what we found in ninety fivepercent of those cases, the people that

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went out would they pretty much gota job interview, the job offer almost
the same day after going through thatinterview. So there was something we were
doing right. So we did alot of preparation. We did resume reviews,
we did prep coaching conversations before theywent into those interviews. So all
the best things came out. Sowhat you know, through that whole two

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thousand and nine experience, and inSeptember, one hundred percent of those people
had placement. Wow, oh mygod, amazing. Yeah, because I
mean, that's a lot of stress, and especially I would imagine for you
being a manager and managing and feelingresponsible for all of these people. That's
so fulfilling to say, hey,look at this, we got them all,

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you know, a placement and youcan now relax because there's there's a
trickle effect right to one person usinga job. So I can imagine that
that was a big weight off ofyour shoulders as well. Oh yeah,
no. And you know what wasbeautiful is throughout this whole process, I
never looked for work because this allstemmed from my director pulling me into a

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room and said, look, youknow, you look after your team and
I and I will guarantee you anopportunity. I won't guarantee you a job,
but i'll guarantee you an opportunity.So he did his job. I
did my job. You know,it was funny because I came out of
this, this this outsource saying exercise, this reorg with two jobs, right.
I ended up doing some consulting workfor another organization and I stayed internally

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in another role. So you know, it's funny because you know, the
one thing, and this is forall the candidates that are listening out there
right now. People are always watchingyou, right, and what people were
seeing was the success I was havingwith my team, right, Like,
the team showed up one hundred andten percent. We were winning customer service
awards, right. So in Julyof that year, my team won three

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out of five Customer Service Awards fordelivery amazing service to our client base.
And what they knew that they wereall going to lose their jobs. And
I remember standing on stage with theCTO at the time, presenting the worst
my team, and he just looksover, He's like, how did you
do this? They're all leaving?You know that. I go, I
know you made a mistake, butyou know, I kind of said that

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under my rest so you can hearme. I love it. But you
know, so when you're giving andthe worst of situations, what's it going
to be like when you're in agood situation. I love that so much
because it's it's you know, howyou do one thing, is how you
do everything everything right, and it'sso indicative of really giving your best and

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then you know the right things willshow up, right, So that energy
that you're putting out there, Absolutelylove that and paying it forward So what
you just spoke about with such aclear example of being able to pay it
forward right knowing that you know,you wanted to empower your team. You
empower your team, you had somebodyon your side working for you to empower

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you. And again that's that trickleeffect. And when we really start to
you know, be mindful of howwe operate in the day to day.
You know, little things, it'sincredible to see how they will manifest into
something bigger and something that is goingto lead you in a new direction.

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And in those moments where you feellike you have no direction or you're in
that situation where you don't have ajob, it can be you know,
stressful, but it's so important toreally start to you know, work on
your mindset at least become aware ofwhat is going on, you know,
behind the scenes. Right, thatnegative loop sometimes can take over in our

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mindset and it can really start toderail your success. And so I love
what you shared with us because it'sso clear that it was keeping that mindset
strong and strengthened to be able tomove forward even though, oh you can't
see what is going on, right, but you had that sort of inner

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knowing that you know what, thingswill work out, So how did that
sort of show up for you inother ways? And moving forward and like
that things will work out for you. Yeah, well, so part of
it is just having a faith ina belief. It's actually part of my
mantra this. It's funny that yousay that I have a belief that things

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will always work out. You know, it doesn't matter what I'm doing.
I can be moving houses, icould be looking for new work, like
things will always just work out,and just trusting that that's how things are
going to show up. This isa mindset that I've been carrying actually even
before two thousand and nine, youknow, when this whole situation happened,
just carrying the thought of things willalways work out and having that firm belief,

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like you just got to really sitwithin and be patient, because what
I think happens to a lot ofpeople is they get caught in this isn't
happening fast, let me go trysomething else. And you know, if
you do that, you're rushing aprocess that kind of needs to work on
its own. You know, my, my, you know, one of
my other firm beliefs is the universewill always provide you what you're ready for,

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and I think a part of itis just being prepared for what's going
to show up next, so youknow, putting in the work, doing
and taking action, which is Ithink the other big part of it.
Whether you're a job search like youcan think about job search all day long.
You could be looking at job postingsall day long, but if you
don't take any action and applying forthose jobs, those jobs are never going
to show up for you. Itwas like, you know the adage of

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you know, you can't win thelottery unless you're playing. Yeah, yeah,
I had a player. It's sofunny. You know, it's interesting
because I think we can, youknow, get stopped in the fear right
and at least acrostination, and soyou know, you have the intention maybe

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to look for a job, butthen in your mind it's like, well,
it has to be perfect, andresume has to be perfect, the
job has to be perfect. Butsometimes you know you have to, you
know, get that imperfection to leadyou to the perfection, right to those
perfect moments in life. And it'sit's about taking a risk and moving and

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expanding beyond your comfort zone because wecan live in that comfort zone for a
very long time and indefinitely right ifwe choose to. But nothing truly extraordinary
ever happens in a comfort zone.It just doesn't, right, So it's
so important to break that shell,and you know, be okay with learning

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to be uncomfortable, you know,And I look at in my life and
it's funny because you know you weresaying that, Um, you know,
if you had a job and sometimessomething better, we'll sho up. The
universe always has your back, essentially, is what you're sect. You believe
that all these great things will alwayshappen to you, right. And I
remember a time where I really wantedthis job and I auditioned for this job

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and I thought, Okay, thiswas really great. I thought I did
very well, and I was reallydisappointed because I didn't get the job right.
Then. It was interesting because thenI learned about it was about six
months later that that job that Ireally wanted, that entire company went bust,

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right, So I would have beenout of a job had I gotten
that job right. Six months later, I would again be in that same
situation. And it turned out thatI got another amazing job that led to
so many wonderful opportunities and is reallyit was a huge catalyst to my career.
And so it's interesting because I thinksometimes in life you're you're protected in

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those moments from what is not greatfor you so that you can find what
is that perfect fit for you whereverit is you are in your life.
Right, we attract the things thatwe resonate with. Um. You know,
I believe on a vibrational frequency aswell. So I think it's important
to just know that sometimes when thingsdon't work out the way you intended,

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oh, they're gonna be so muchbetter than you could have even imagined,
right John, Oh, absolutely.You know it's funny you say that because
there was years ago when I wasin my role. I went for a
job interview because I was looking Iwasn't happy with my role and I was
looking for something different, and Iinterviewed with an outside organization and I didn't
get the job. Like, itwas a great interview up until the end

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where I made my gravest mistake,right, And I said, Okay,
They're like, you know that questionat the end of the interview, so
do you have any questions for us? And I'm like, Okay, I'm
scrambling in my head. Okay,I'm just pulling something out of the air.
I'm like, what do you guysdo? Exactly? So that was
it. Yeah, that was theend of the interview, right, you
know, the interview or she lookedat me and she's like, for real,

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we've been talking for an hour,you know what we do. I'm
like, well, I kind ofgot an idea, but I don't know
the specifics right, So it didn't. So but that was fantastic, right,
because the lesson I took from thatwas, ay, always be prepared
with the response at the end.And you know, it led me down.
And actually it's in the book.It's in the book you know,
how to successfully break through year zeroto hire, how to successfully break through

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the interview process. I share thatresponse in the book because it's one of
those lessons where even when you don'tthink you have a question, there's a
way to respond to that question.Because that's inevitably in every interview that you
know, if it's a good interviewerand if it's a conversation that's going back
and forth, you know they're goingto ask you, you know, you

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have any questions for us and Youknow, one of the things I coach
and I trained people on is alwayshaving a list of questions that they want
to walk away with because as they'reinterviewing you, you're also interviewing them,
right, Yeah, you want tomake sure they have the right culture,
You're the right fit, they havethe right ideologies of the right values that
align with what you have. Youknow, when you think about their mission,

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vision, values system, does italign with who you are? And
as you walk through the office,is everybody heads down looking at their desks?
If you have the opportunity to walkthrough through an office, now,
where is everybody engaged in conversation aseverybody should chatting? It gives you a
lot of ideas of what culture startsto look like inside of a company.
And the one thing that I'm findingthat's even more important than the actual job

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and in some cases pay, isthe culture that the company has. You
know, are you gonna make yourpeople work sixty hours a week or is
there a good life you work lifebalance between home and work, like are
those things there? And that's whyit's important to have those questions as you
walk into those interviews. Yeah,you want to set those expectations Hey,

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should I be given up my weekends? Am I going to carry a phone?
Is the expectation that I answer itevery time it rings after five o'clock.
Don't get me wrong. There's situationswhere you're working on projects and there's
deadlines and things like that. Thoseare the exception, that's not the norm.
Yeah, you want to understand whatthat is? Yeah, go ahead.
So it's kind of like, um, a great relationship, right,

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you need to have the values defined. If your core values are not aligned,
that relationship is not really going tothrive and you want to thrive in
you know, any relationship, andincluding a work environment. You know that
is a relationship. We spend alot of time you know, at work,
sometimes way more time you know,in a work environment versus our own

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families. Right, So it's soimportant to get those the missions of values
and the vision defined. As yousaid, John, I love that mission
value vision and it might have youknow, got that mixed in the wrong
order, but I love it.I love it. And you know,
also what I really loved that youspoke about, you know, having those
questions ready also for the interviewer,because I find that, you know,

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just taking that action puts you ina powerful presence and a state as opposed
to feeling like, um, youknow the interviewer has all the power.
It's that equilibrium. So there's abalance, right, It's a give and
take, um, And that's importantas well, so that we can feel
confident going in there. Right.It's about having the confidence to be able

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to you know, deliver, youknow, and present yourself in the best
possible light, but also um,to have an opportunity to to share who
you are right by asking those questions, Um, those questions can really lead
and give the interview or deep insightinto your core being online. Right,
So when you when you construct thosequestions, what are some of the key

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things drawn that we should be askingthat will align particularly with being able to
define our mission, vision and value. Yeah. No, So I think
a big part of it is whatare the expectations right from within this role?
What are some of the daily expectationsyou know, if we are being
handed mobile devices, like if we'rehanded work phones, is the expectation that

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we keep those on as twenty fourseven and we answer every time it rings?
Yeah? Right. Loving the conversationwith my special guest today, John
Ribero here on Saga nine sixty.You're listening to the Mindset Mentor. I'm
Tanya Kolar and we will be backhelping you solve more problems after this break.
Stay tuned, no Radio, noproblem, stream us live on SAGA

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nine sixty AM dot C A welcomeback to the Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya
Kohler helping you live your best life. And you know, when we are

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in sort of a transition phase ofour lives and we're maybe looking for a
new job, or you know,we're at a job maybe that we don't
love, it's really hard to liveyour best life right. So my special
guest today is helping us to youknow, find a job that is going
to align with our mission, ourvalues, and our vision, but also

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arm you with the tools of howto actually apply for those jobs. How
do you show up right? Showingup as your best self? And listen
John, By the way, it'sJohn Ribero. I didn't say that.
John Robero is a performance coach.He's also a co author of Zero to
Hired and Canadian Job Search Guide forProfessionals. So there's a lot of information

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and certainly a wealth of knowledge thatyou've amassed throughout your impressive career, John,
and it's really arming people with thetool rules. Right. I love
that you you you helped your team, you spoke about this earlier, you
know, show up as their bestselves even though they knew they were,
you know, going to lose theirjobs within months. It's so important and

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that's I love that, you knowscenario, because when we can really put
our best selves forward, it's incrediblehow the universe just aligns with that and
more great things show up, theright people, the right opportunities and you
know, the right job, theright environment. Even though sometimes we just

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were uncertain, if we stay positive, working on our mindset, we can
eventually things will work out. AndI always say, you know, life
is a cycle, right, andit's going to evolve. Nothing lasts forever.
So when you're not happy in thatmoment of maybe you just got the
announcement that you lost your job,you know, maybe look at it in

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a different way. And as youremember, one of my you know,
big mentors in life was Wayne Dyer. Love Wayne so much. And he
was doing a lot of radio interviewsat the station, so you know,
he knew a lot of the staffthere and he was a regular and he
walked in one day and everybody waswalking around looking miserable. And he started

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to ask people like what's going on? Like why is everybody so miserable?
And one of the guys that whilewe just lost our job, and the
guy was, you know, veryupset about it. And so all Wayne
Dyer kept doing was every time hesaw somebody, he would say congratulations.
So he would congratulate them because theyjust thought their their job and they're like,

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what are you talking about? Right? But he was like, because
now something better is going to comein and something better is going to show
up? Right? So do youdo you have that kind of response from
people when they're in that situation ofyou know, losing their job and now
they just don't know what to do? Yeah? I know. It definitely

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comes through in conversation that I havewith some of the people that I work
with one hundred percent and it's likewhat do I do now? And you
know what's interesting is when you've beenin a role for a really long time,
your identity, your person becomes tiedto that role in that organization.
Oh yeah, and what I've seenwith people, it actually takes you a
little while to get out of that. You know, who am I?

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You know now that I'm no longerwith a financial institution or a telecom or
an IT company. You know itlike your identity gets attached to it.
So part of it is just knowingthere's a morning process that needs to happen.
I no longer have this role.I'm no longer with this company,
and that's okay. I'm still goingto be okay. And what I find

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is, you know, when I'mworking with those people is they got to
figure out who they are without thiscompany behind them, especially if they've been
like two decades with a company wherethey've built themselves up and you know,
he spent you know, sixty hoursa week putting in work and effort,
you know, supporting this organization.At some point they even feel let down.
It's like, you know, it'slike a death. You know,

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it's like a death in the family. I lost this and it's gone now.
So part of it just give yourselfsome space to say, you know
what, it's okay. And thenumber two thing, and this is the
one thing I'm always sharing with people. It's not personal. Oh that's a
big one. Yeah, it does. It totally feels personal, but it's

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not personal. And you know,for anybody who has had a side hustle,
and you know, working inside ofan organization, I've always had a
side hustle. It's you know,it's funny because my parents, they were
entrepreneurs, right, you know,my dad had his own business, my
mom worked with them, So Inever knew anything else. Like I always
saw the entrepreneurial side of things.It's like, Okay, there's always a

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little bit of a hustle. Youalways have to put in that little extra
work to keep your own business going. But when you work for a company,
you know, it's a little bitdifferent and it's structured. You have
your nine to five. You knowwhat you need to do every day.
So one of the things I did, and this is something that you know
anybody can kind of step into today, no matter where you're at. You
know, having a little bit ofa side hustle actually gives you additional skills

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that you can bring into your rolethat can further your career. Right.
So, and I know a lotof people, maybe organizations don't like to
hear this side hustle. There areorganizations that do embrace people that do have
side hustles because it creates a betterbalance, right, do a bit of
what you love and what you needto do to get some compensation and receive
some money for the work that youdo every day. But ye, that

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side hustle, a lot of theskills you do there, you bring them
back into your role unconsciously, soyou don't even know that you're doing it.
You do it anyways, and youbecome better in your role. Yeah,
and you could all become you muchhappier, right if you have a
side hustle that you love, right, if you don't one hundred percent love
your job environment, right, there'sa gain that balance. Yeah. And
what I find people who typically doa side hustle, they do it because

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of the love for it. Theydon't do it because of the money.
At some point, the money showsup, and then that's when they leave
their full time thing to go dotheir side hustle because it compensates them well
enough. Right, And you know, I'm not trying to scare off any
employer that's listening to this right now. Having people that have side hustles inside
your organization is a good thing becausethey're picking up so many additional skills that

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you couldn't necessarily train them for becauseyou just don't create those opportunities for them
to pick up those skills. Yeah, that's an interesting, you know way
to look at it, because Inever actually looked at it that way.
Right. The benefit to the employerof having a side hustle, right,
that's not really cool. I lovethat. So you know the question that
I'm thinking now, you know,as you're talking about this and having a

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side hustle, because sometimes those sidehustles can actually lead to and eventually,
as you mentioned, like you know, a bigger business and maybe your full
time job. Now, so howdo you know, John, when it's
time to you know, maybe severthe ties with you know, a job
to build your own, you know, to get into a startup environment,

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like because startups I think are notfor everybody, right, but they're certainly
for a lot of people. Andyou know, some people love the structure,
like say a nine to five environment. They don't want to do all
of the thinking. They're busy withother stuff in life, right, so
it's like they want to tap outfive o'clock, I'm done, right,
And then there's other people who thriveon building something and who want their own

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business and want to put in thework. But how do we know what
direction we should take? When isit enough? When is it time to
do that job? That's a greatquestion. I'm still trying to figure out
that answer myself. But the onething I have heard and the one thing
I've seen is you've got to makesure financially you're in a good enough place
that you can do that. Right. I think it comes down to finances,

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right, Like, if you canstill maintain everything you do on a
day to day with your side hustle, then yeah, maybe it's time to
separate from your full time thing.But here's the thing, you know,
and actually I'm going to share thisfor people that do have side hustles today,
right, And I'll share a tacticthat I use. You know,
one of the things as I wasbuilding up my speaker career, building up

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my trainer career, I use theorganization to test up material inside my side
hustle, right, I know.So I would volunteer with like internal groups
to put on talks and put onpresentations, run workshops, lead training sessions
because those are skills that I wantedto personally build myself. But I didn't

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have an audience outside of work todo that. So what I would do
is I would leverage these internal teams, these internal groups, and I would
present to them right and say,hey, is there an opportunity for me
to run a workshop and if youcan get twenty five, thirty or fifty
people into a room, I wouldlove to be able to present that to
them. And you know, nobodyever says no, it's internal. It's
also it helps you build up yourprofile and your influence inside of the organization

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because people I got to be knownbecause I did inside of the inside of
my organization. I did a lotof Toastmasters. I don't know if people
are familiar with Toastmasters public speaking clubs, So I did it under the banner
of my Toastmaster club. So whenI would go out, I became the
Toastmaster guy inside of the organization,and I would have vps reaching out to

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me saying, hey, I've gota director on my team that needs to
improve their public speaking and communication skills. Could they join your meetings? I'm
like, yeah, absolutely right,yeah. So you know, you know,
one of the things I'm really bigon is how do you find a
place for yourself to build your influencebuild your brand internally. And that was

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one of the ways that I didit. So I leveraged my side household,
I got to build up all theseadditional skills, and I got to
use the base you know, internallybecause there was you know, inside of
the organization in Ontario, there waslike fifteen thousand people and even getting fifty
people into a room that gave mea lot of room to play with just
testing my material. That is right. I love that. I mean,

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that's a true entrepreneurial mindset right there. Right, It's how to leverage that,
but also to not only to leveragethat so you're getting the benefit,
but it's creating a win win situationfor everybody in that situation. Um.
And you know, when you cancreate that win win environment, I think
that's so key because I believe weshould always, you know, try to

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leave people with an oppression of increasefor having an interaction with you, right,
instead of feeling. And we've allbeen there where there's people who just
seem to, you know, suckthe energy out of the room. Right.
It's like, you know, maybethey're the best intention, but it's
like they're they incessantly talk about themselvesand how you know they can benefit.

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And I actually just reach recently hadsomebody, um, you know, reach
out, you know, it wascalled me and it was like, okay,
I'm willing, absolutely willing to helpthis person. But it was an
interesting conversation because it was so itwas a hundred percent one sided, right.

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So it's just I believe that it'sit feels much easier, let's say,
to help people, you know,when there's that a little bit of
a balance, right, Because it'slike in a relationship, if there's one
partner who is constantly taking, taking, taking, taking, taking, taking,
um and the other one is giving, giving, giving, giving,

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giving, giving um, at somepoint, it's not going to work,
right. Um. I think everybodyhas a point because then it's just you're
not you're not empowering the person who'salways taking to recognize that they also have
to you know, be able tofind that balance to give back, right,
because it's the law of um,you know, balance that that equal

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right, that give and take thatI think is important and it's it's kind
of a moment and an opportunity sometimesto recognize that and listen, I'm you
know, I've probably been there too. I'm sure I have been there.
I've reached out to people sometimes,you know, and and you know certainly
in the past right where you justdon't even realize that you're creating that environment.
That's why I think it's important tohave awareness of our being and how

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we operate, right, and takestock at some of those conversations that we
have and really look at how tocreate a win win situation. Yeah.
No, And you know it's applicableto interviews too, right, It's applicable
to the job search process. Howdo I come from a place of service,
right, because people will come inwith, well, the jobs for
me, I need money. Listen, that's great. You know I'll be

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transparent here and nobody cares that youneed money and nobody cares that you need
a job. Yep. I wantto know, as a hiring manager,
how do you solve my problem onmy team and how does your skill set
and your experience and your knowledge youknow, become a value and an asset
to me. So it's not aboutyou, It's about how you can service
me and my team or my departmentand my organization. Yes, but in

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the same breath, I also wantto make sure that the organization serving you
and the way you need to beserved as well. Right, So,
going back to the MBV mission Visionvalues, you want to make sure that
they're aligned with who you are too. This way, when you show up
every day, you feel like you'recontributing to something. And you know,
part of the things I'm passionate aboutteam culture. You know, as a

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leader inside of an organization, Iwas always aware of creating the right environment
for my people so people wouldn't wantto leave, you know. And it's
funny because when people left, wecelebrated people leaving the team to go to
other roles because in most cases theywere growing internally or they were going to
bigger, better things, So wewould celebrate that. Right And some people

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today and I've heard it, youknow, I'm leaving my role. My
boss isn't happy. Is making itreally difficult for me? Why? It
means you've done a great job asa leader, right when you grow.
You know, my firm belief asa leader is firm. My belief is
that my role as leaders to helppeople girl and become the next best version
of themselves. Oh that's beautiful,and I love that. I love that,

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you know, it's funny because um, you know, as you were
talking about that, and it's like, so um, when the boss hears
that you're leaving and then they're nothappy, that means that they took it
personally when they're not happy, forit's not personal, right, it's not
personal. It always feel personal,but it really is not personal, right,

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It isn't. And I think that'sthat's really key, and that's hard
sometimes to help people to to makethat shift, but it can happen on
both sides and clearly right. Butyou know, leadership is so essential being
an effective leader, and I thinkthe days of dictatorship right in leadership is
completely gone. That's not what theworld needs. That's not what your employees

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need. They want to be empoweredto become leaders. And I love that
somebody had said, um, youknow, the best leaders are the people
who can create the most leaders correct, one hundred percent. I'm with you.
And this is something I learned fromRobin Sharp my years ago, one
of my favorite authors in the spaceand Canadian by the way, which I
love, right because yeah, yeahthe months old is Ferrari absolutely so yeah,

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being in a place of service,and you know that's I had to
go through the tough lessons myself,right, Like my dad was an entrepreneur,
so being the son of an entrepreneurrepreneurwho had his own business, by
default, I was living you know, I was his right hand person inside
of his business. And I rememberat the age of seventeen, he went
away for a month and I wasin charge of running everything right and the

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operations, looking after the team andlooking after invoicing, like you name it,
everything right. And I had tolearn very quickly that if you don't
get people on the right side wherethey want to come in and show up
and do the work, they justdon't come in, you know. And
you know, it's funny when Ihear people say, you know, my
team doesn't want to come into work, you know, automatically as there to

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think about what's the culture, like, right, how are you supporting them?
Like if somebody feels like they gotto call in sick every other day
because they're not liking what they do, the problem isn't necessarily with them,
the problems with you. Yeah,well, I know that that's going to
hit some people hard. And that'sokay because if people are showing up,

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it's not about them, because thefirst thing we do is we complain about
team members and how everybody's lazy today, nobody wants to do the work.
That's not true. We just haven'tcreated the right environment in space for them
to thrive. Yeah, And Ithink that's that's so key because if you
can jump out of bed and beexcited about going to your place of business,

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whether you're working for someone or yourown business, that is, you
know, just a wonderful feeling.Too many people, I think, wake
up feeling like, oh my gosh, snooze button. I don't like that.
I don't want to have to doagain the same routine that I did
yesterday, going to a job thatthey don't like, because that it's really
not fulfilling. And I think thatthe uh, you know, the culture,

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society is now much more mindful andconscious of having meaningful work. And
you know you said earlier, Um, the word contribution, and I think
that is essential to living a greatlife is you know, contributing, and
that is also contributing to you know, your best self right in an environment.

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And if you're not loving, um, you know, the job that
you have, just love what youdo. You know, love what you
do, and eventually that can thatcan you know, change into something else,
right, because we're not going toalways love everything one hundred percent in
life. It's just that's just nothow life works. Right. We're throwing
some curveballs, some challenging moments thatmay not be your first choice. But

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if we can learn to sort ofjust flow with them instead of the resistance
hitting that wall constantly, it's it'sreally incredible to see, you know,
what can show up right when wefeel like we are fulfilled, even though
we may not love that moment,if we give it our best, there's
that feeling of contribution and that thatmeaningfulness like making a difference and serving serving

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humanity. You know, I lovethat you said that one of the things
that you know is important to youHow may I serve? And that's something
that I often, you know,will say to myself, how how can
I serve? Who can I serve? And you know what would you have
me say? You know, theseare questions that I will ask because it's
just also um conditioning the mindset thatthat's important, right, instead of some

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of the negative talk. And listen, I've been there too. I mean
this is why I teach people,you know, how to reprogram their mindset,
because my mindset was awful right likeway back when, Oh my gosh,
I was full of like limiting beliefsand all people are out to get
me. And you know, lifeis hard like all these things and the

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feeling of unworthiness. And when wecan start to change that mindset, we
can really start tom you know,create a life that sort of just drops
in, right. Do you knowwhat I mean by when I say that,
John, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I know. And you know
where your focus goes is where youend up going too, right, So
if you think the world is ahorrible place, well guess what's going to

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show up for you all these horriblethings. Right, So it's really about
keeping you know. Tony Robbins hasthe line energy goes where focus goes,
or focus goes or energy energy flowswhere focus goes. So it really comes
down to perspective and what you're lookingat and how you see it, because
you can look at there's two sidesthat you coin, right, and you

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can look at something and say,Wow, this is the best thing in
the world or this is the worstthing in the world, and you're both
right. Everything's good and bad.So it comes down to you know your
perspective of what you bring to it, and that determines how you show up
every day. So even though youdon't necessarily love your job, the one
thing that you can bring is agood attitude too it, because that'll create

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more opportunities for you. Say yesto the challenge, Say yes to listen.
Even my career, I said yesto roles. I had no idea
on how to do. You know. I'm sure you've been there too.
It's like, Okay, I gotno clue what I'm going to do here,
but I'm going to figure it outand you know, get through it.
Yeah, you pick up those skills. Right. So, for those
that are inside of companies today,when you get asked to volunteer for something,

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instead of saying that's not my jobbecause that's what we'll hear from people,
jump into it. Say yes.And you know that's why I call
it to say yes podcast Say yes, get into those places where you feel
uncomfortable because it'll give you that spaceto grow and pick up new additional skills
that you could use for another rolein the future. Yes, yes,
yes, say yes, you gotit. I love that And because you

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never know what's going to show upor who you're going to meet right and
it's it's it's incredible. So thatconnection is so important, So you know,
take that chance and say yes,well we're going to take a break
and we'll be back here with moreon the Mindset Mentor with my special guests
John Ribero, peak performance coach andauthor of zero to Hired and also Canadian

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Job Search Guide for professionals when wecome back next day two Stream us Life
at SOGA nine sixty am dot cA welcome back to the Minds That Mentor.

(40:46):
I'm Tanya Kohler helping you live yourbest life and so you know,
I want you to take a momentto really delve into how you're feeling right
now in this moment. Are youexcited about your day, are you excited
about life? Are you excited abouttomorrow? Or are you feeling stuck?

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Are you feeling challenged in life?You know, because here's the thing is
that we always have a choice rightno matter where we are and what we're
dealing with. And life can reallythrow us some really difficult moments that we
have to navigate through. But Iwant you to always remember that you can

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navigate your greatest challenges, you willget through to the other side. Okay.
So it's so important for conversations likethis to happen on the mindset mentor
so that you know that you arenot alone. And my special guest today
is John Robero. John is aperformance coach. He helps people navigate a
very stressful time in their lives,and that is you know, maybe not

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having a job and for whatever reason. Right obviously, you know, income
is important, right in order tolive our best lives. We don't want
to have financial stress and strain.That can also lead to relationship stress and
strain and all kinds of other issues, or you know, losing your your
your home because you know no longerhave that income that you were used to,

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or not being able to afford thehome that you want or the things
that you want, or to dothe things that you want. So you
know, it's really important to knowthat you will get through whatever experience you
are going through. And John,thank you for sharing some great tools and
tips and wisdom from the years ofhelping people you know navigate and helping teams

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navigate, you know, challenges andmaybe finding new work. So I love
this conversation. There's so much tobe gained and so much insight. And
I know that you have really workedon your own personal mindset for for quite
some time, so that really armsyou with helping people. So let's talk

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about one of your our latest endeavorsthat you really used a lot of those
principles that you teach into taking yourlife to another level. Yeah, I
know, thank you great questions.So I'm going to share with your audience.
So recently I did an iron Manseventy point three And for those that

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don't know what that is, aniron Man seventy point three is a two
kilometer swim, ninety k bike ride, and a half marathon, so at
twenty one point twenty one point onek run. And you know, I
figured this year, at the endof last year, I wanted to do
something big, right, I wantedto challenge myself. And as you know,
for those that are listening right now, if you're going through that drop
search process and you're thinking, youknow with now it's time for a shift,

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here's my invitation for you go dosomething different, push yourself because it
raises a level of confidence in youthat I can almost guarantee you you didn't
even know existed, So I jumpedinto this Iron Man seventy point three to
really push myself mentally and physically becausewhen I learned through that event was yes,

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fifty percent of it is preparing yourselfphysically for it, but the other
fifty percent was all mindset. Andit's the same mindset tools that I teach
people when they're going through their jobsearch process, because there's gonna be moments
where you're gonna feel like you're climbingup a hill. You're at eighty kilometers
and you know you got this bighill in front of you, and you're

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like, I just want to giveup them, I want to stop,
right And you know, maybe that'snot the case, you know, for
you as you're going through that process. But you know, one of the
things I've seen for people who aregoing through a job search, it's a
nice sunny day outside, I'm notgoing to put that resume and I'll do
that tomorrow, right, So themoments where you want to give up,

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and here's something that I learned andI actually took with me on the road
when I did the event, wasyou know, step into a moment of
gratitude, like you get to dothis you get to be in this process
right now and you get to explorethings that you didn't even know existed.
What I find is when you stepinto that gratitude, that moment to say,
you know what, I'm here.Yes, it's difficult, it's challenging,

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it's tough, but I can dothis. You know, I've done
it in the past. And ifyou look back and you think about your
life, and that's all the hardthings that you've gone through. Especially because
I work with a lot of newcomersto Canada, so they're making that transition
from one country to another. Youknow, the one thing I kind of
invite them to step into is justbe grateful that you get to do this,
right. You get to do thisfor yourself, you get to do

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this for your family, you getto do this for the next generation,
you know, and when you stepinto that, it's like, okay,
so maybe it's not that tough,right, and you really get to just
kind of step into it and say, yes, I got this. You
know, we talked about your mindsetis fifty percent of your job search,
right. Actually your job search isa combination to three things, but the

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three biggest thing is Number one isyour resume and applying for work. The
other part is networking connecting with people. And the third part is the mindset
that you bring into it. Andwhen you think of the like from a
mindset perspective, you gotta be resilience, you gotta be strong, and you
gotta do whatever it takes to getyourself to where you want to be.
You know. And some people say, well, it's too difficult, so
they give up, right, andthey stop doing that job search. And

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my invitation to you is don't stop. Keep going, and no matter how
tough it is. You know,just like when I was doing that event
listen, running twenty one kilometers aftercycling ninety k and swimming two k,
I wanted to quit, and youknow I was ready to. Like I
could make a speech out of anythingat this point, right, Like I've
done enough talking. I can tryhear anything at this I can make it.
Yeah, I can make a speechabout not completing the Iron Man,

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right. But you know, theone thing that also kept me going was
community. Right. And the onething I'm gonna invite you to think about
is think about people that could supportyou through this process. This is why
I talk about networking being one ofthose key components when it comes to the
job search, find people around youthat supports you, because those are the
people are going to cheer you on. Those are the people are going to

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get excited when you get that interview, you know, when you first get
that call for that interview, whenthe recruiter reaches out to you, and
who knows they might be able toconnect you with somebody that's looking for your
specific skills and talent. You know, you being the solution to their challenge
that they're facing. Right now,Let people know, because what I find
is people hide themselves and they're likethey're almost like embarrassed to tell people that

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they're actively looking for work. Yeah, well, I think there's there's um
you know, sometimes you know,people feel judged, right, especially if
they if their lack of a jobas was not their choice, right,
and so they want to share that, but they don't realize that so many
people have also gone through that experience, right, So you know, I

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would even encourage people read a bookon you know, some somebody who's a
role model to you, and it'sinteresting to see, Like biographies are great
because you'll see the transition of wherepeople started and you know, nobody in
life, you know, has hasthat greatest job from the get go.
It takes work right to build it, to find it, and to go

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through our life experiences to make usthe person that we are. To really
to define that and to feel goodabout that, you gotta stretch and go
beyond your comfort zone and take action. To get out there and take action
and don't give up. Like JohnRibero, my special guest, has said
to everyone, don't give up.Keep going. Um, you know,

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you can also be your own ironman, right, because life's got to
like a running iron man every daysometimes. Right. Yeah, Well then
you cross the finish and it's likeyes, yeah, so that's you know,
that's the best part. And gettingthat job is like crossing the finish
line at an iron man, Right, It's like, you know, all
the hard work, all the timeand effort that you put into it eventually

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pays off. Right, But yougotta stretch yourself. You gotta put in
that work, you gotta put inthat effort. You got to treat your
job search like a job. Right. So if you're doing like five ten
minutes a day, well guess what, You're not going to get the results.
It's like, you know, tryingto train for a half marathon only
doing like a hundred kilometer walk everyday. Yeah, you're just you're not
going to get to the finish,or if you do get to the finish,

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it's not going to look pretty right, and it's kinda gonna be the
way you want it to look.Right, So put in that word for
success, right, Yeah, youwant to set yourself up for success.
You want to put the work inahead of time. This way, when
you get there, you're ready forit and you're ready to go. Right.
So yeah, just yeahself on theback as well. And unfortunately we

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are out of time, right,So I want to say thank you so
much, John roberro was great havingyou here on the Mindset Mentor and sharing
your peak performance tips to help usfind that right job or just even feel
good in the job environment they are, and to have the hope that there
is opportunity available when we stretch ourselves. Yes, no, and thank you

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for having me. This has beenan honor and a privilege. So thank
you. Oh I love the carversation. Thank you all right everyone.
That is a wrap for today's MindsetMentor. Make sure you tune in Thursdays
at three pm for more of amindset workout. To remember, your mindset
is like a muscle that needs tobe strengthened and conditioned, so keep at
it, do not give up.You've got this. No radio, no

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