June 13, 2024 • 48 mins
In this episode, Tania Kolar interviews spiritual counselor, professional astrologist, and founder of The Healing Kingdom, LeTao Wang. They discuss human psychology, guidance from the cosmos and ancient wisdom from mythological deities. You will discover how to illuminate your path forward as we stumble amidst the chaos of life. They also discuss LeTao’s new deck, Oracle of the Celestial Deities, and his collective message for the listeners.
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The views expressed in the following programare those of the participants and do not
necessarily reflect the views of Saga ninesixty am or its management. Well,
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hello and welcome to the Mindset MentorAntonia Kolar helping you live a life you
love. Well on today's show,I thought that, you know, we
could give you some guidance and someillumination into your life path. You know,
we all have goals, we allhave you know, dreams and desires,
and sometimes we sort of stumble alongthat path and we just don't know
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what to do anymore. Well,my special guest today is going to help
be the lantern, the illuminator inyour life to help you actually even tap
in and discover your own innate powerand your ability to tap into that that
guidance. So how about we sayhello and welcome to the taw Wang.
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He is a spiritual counselor. Heis a multiple award winning UH spiritual counselor.
UH. He's an author and we'regonna talk about his new deck of
cards and book which is called Oracleof the Celestial Deities. So really cool
to be able to access that powerand that that wisdom amidst the chaos of
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life. Uh the how It's sucha pleasure having you here today, so
welcome. I know that you arealso the founder of the Healing Kingdom.
So super cool. Uh, spiritualcounselor and professional astrologist all wrapped into one,
uh, providing a very unique guidance, I would say, form right,
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So thank you, and and I'dlove to delve into exactly you know,
what your abilities are and how yousort of came to be a spiritual
counselor of sorts and also a sensitiveintuitive right. Well, first of all,
thank you very much for having beenhon your show, Tanya. It's
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it's a great honor to be here. I uh so at this moment,
what I do is called the spiritualcounseling, and which is a my unique
way of combining the mystical and theesoteric art with a modern day clinical psychology.
However, when I started my career, I was initially trained when I
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lived in Sydney, Australia as afortune teller. Actually, my first teacher
was a very famous fortune teller inAustralia, and my training and study was
very much about you know, uh, the predictive nature, right, so
you know, basically when we seea client, you know, the clients
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will ask us just about their future, and so we use astrology and herald
as a predictive tool for them.So it's very much focusing on divination.
But you know, throughout my career, the more I progressed into my career,
the more I realized that I becameless and less interested in telling people
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what's going to happen in their future, and I became more and I actually
found my real motivation was really inthe therapeutic value of our sessions. And
to put in a nutshell, insteadof telling people what will happen and they
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will need to either expect that ordeal with that, I'm more interested in
looking at the gift and the talentand the resource they have and understand what's
the potential future there and in casethat's not the future they want, and
how can we you know, changeor maneuver that pass forward. And so
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that's the time when I realized thatI don't just want to be of words
and teller. I want to bringmore therapeutic value to my sessions. And
so it was about four four years, you know, into my my career,
I went back to grad school andI did my master degree in counseling,
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and because I really wanted to systematicallystudy counseling and and of course,
you know, we had to goas a part of the program, we
had to go to clinics, youknow, to see real real patients uh
stuffing from anxiety, depression, youknow, sometimes even you know, we
have to work together with other professionalsright together to treat the patients. And
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that became you know, a veryprecious spe hehearance for me. And so
what I do these days is Istill use our you know, the the
divinational tools, because that's what Iuh, you know, what I loved
and what I started with. Andso usually when clients come to me,
I will how you know, theway we do session is to really look
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at what the client is going throughand their their blockages and the issues and
questions, and through using the devinationaltools such as astrology, uh terroor and
numerology, hopefully I will be ableto provide certain guidance and to the client
and so that at the end ofthe session it becomes a wing wing situation.
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Yeah. I love that, youknow, and thank you for sharing
all of that, because there isa wealth of knowledge that you have,
you know, tapping into different modalities. It's so interesting how you've uniquely married
all of that together in a waythat can provide us with the ability to
know, you know, how tomove forward. So something that you touched
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on, which I absolutely love,is the potential. So it's not being
you know, resigned to what isand what shows up in life, because
sometimes we can fear that and nowwe don't know what to do or we
feel stuck. So being able toaccess beyond the now and move into the
potential of what our life can looklike, I think is really really important,
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you know. And you also talkedabout gifts and talents, and everybody
has special gifts and talents that areso unique. You know, you've used
your gifts and talents in such abeautiful way and now helping you know,
the world to understand their own giftsand talents. And I think that's something
so beautiful, offering that therapeutic valueinto our into our life's journey. I
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think that everyone struggles in some formor another. I mean, you talked
on, you know, touched uponanxiety and depression, and I think the
world has witness and experience that ina greater magnitude than we've seen before,
and we are looking for ways toalleviate some of that so that we can
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move to our greatest potential and notfeel those limitations and the despondency of just
feeling stuck in life. So Iwould love to understand a little bit more
lot how on how can we reallythrive through that chaos? So, coming
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to you as a spiritual counselor andexperiencing a session, where do you start
with your clients? I think alot of the tep issues, probably at
the very beginning, is not veryeasy for us to access that depth of
understanding about ourselves. And sometimes wejust have to start from the basic things
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and what is really on the surfaceand a very typical uh for example.
Yeah, As an example, let'ssay someone is going through a lot of
anxiety and difficulties with their relationships,right, and they go back and forth
when it comes to dealing with aloved one, and on the surface,
they would come to a counselor orthey will come to a therapist because they
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want to feel better or they wantto they want their relationship to become better.
But that's what they're aware of atthis level and what our job is
to go a little bit deeper withtheir thoughts and feelings. And because a
lot of the issues is not reallyabout what they're dealing with now, as
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you can already imagine, a lotof those things are so deeply rooted in
their mind. It could come fromtheir early childhood education, how they dealt
with their relationships with their parents,how they felt safe or unsafe, you
know, in their early childhood environment. And so a lot of the times
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during the session will start talking aboutthe very superficial level things, how are
they feeding, why they're feeding incertain ways. And this is where astrology
and terror would play a very importantrole. Is all these divinational tools at
the end of the day are actuallyarchetypes, and they're talking about they're really
showing to me at least the archaetypesthat the patient or decline who is sitting
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in front of me embracing. Andso through those archetypes, I usually use
the method, which is my favorite, and it's about storytelling. And so
we're not going to say, okay, so you did this and this means
this, you know, because alot of the times this sounds very judgmental
and a lot of the clients,especially for a first time clients, they
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can also be quite defensive. Right, we don't want to go to a
therapist and be jogged because we havebeen judged by the society enough, and
so when we go to a counselor, we want understanding inside instead of having
a therapy saying oh, so you'relike this, so you did this,
and you did this, and sohow do you want to change? Right?
And apparently you know, that's justnot good counseling. And so I
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love you to use a master ofstorytelling. And this is also where I
bring, you know, one ofmy favorite field, mythology, into my
practice. There are a lot offascinating mythological stories study that are so relevant
to in the modern day society andwhat we do on a daily basis.
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And through those stories, usually Ifind patients or clients more easily accessible,
let's put it this way, andthey will also become more open towards sharing
their own stories after listening to ourstories. Just a little bit like that.
Yeah, yeah, I love that. It's kind of like permission to
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feel heard and also to be seen. You know, one of the greatest
human needs is the need to feelsignificant and to feel validated. So I
understand, you know, when you'retalking about the fear sometimes of people coming
to a counselor or seeking therapy becausethey fear judgment. You know, judgment
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is not you know, a comfortablefeeling when you're trying to be vulnerable,
right, And I think it isvery instrumental key and thriving in life is
to be vulnerable and to just fullyput yourself out there and to to to
see some of those barriers. Butwhen we're so guarded, it's hard to
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see that, you know, atthe surface level, and to really live,
to be our full innate nature,our core self, we need to
express, you know, we needto express who we are and remember who
we are the magnificence of who weare. And often in life, our
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life experiences create layers and bear inaccessing that. So it's part of the
spiritual work and the assessment that youdo with your clients. Is there sort
of a removal of those layers ina sort of a gradual process, because
I can't imagine it could all beeliminated, just like not definitely, Yeah,
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sometimes it takes a long time forsome will really case by case,
right, I mean, some clientscan be you know, they can be
very open from the you know,first time they walked into a door.
But also you know, sometimes Ialso make mistakes, like for example,
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you know, at the being ofa session, they might be very they
might appear very open. How areyou nice meeting you? Yeah, I
have this and that, But whenyou really talk about that, you shoe
as they shut up. You know, they don't want to talk about that
again. But this is about theirinner fear of releasing their or showing their
vulnerability because definitely in the past theywere jobs when they were open by other
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people. So you know, it'sa little bit like an observation right on
a daily basis, and you dealwith old clients from all walks of life,
and we also learn so many thingsfrom them. Yeah, you know,
that's really interesting because I feel that, you know, obviously, any
relationship is a give and take andit is a connection, and you have
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to be comfortable, particularly with acounselor or a therapist. There has to
be that mutual trust, right sothat you feel that you can really be
yourself and and to maximize you know, the space that emotional uh, you
know, vulnerability that could it couldbe really you know, difficult for some
people. And you know, Ilook back at my life and you know,
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I was a very very private person. I mean I didn't share anything
about my personal life. Right nownow I'm an open book. I share
because I've I've really come to understandthe value authentic and sharing. And the
benefit comes from that, you know, from from all sides, because you
give permission to everyone to be ableto express themselves. And it's so important
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because well, when we suppress ouremotion, you know, that gets trapped
in the body. And so Iwould imagine, you know how that some
of the people that are coming toyou have a lot of that suppressed emotion,
and it's like, how do wetap into that? How do we
get that out to release and tolet go? You know. One of
the big words, you know thatyou mentioned today was fear. I think
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fear really does a lot of harmfor the body physically and emotionally, uh,
you know, to our human psyche. So how can we start to
eliminate some of the fears that keepus stuck. That's a great question.
Actually, to be honest, Idon't ready think that we're really eliminate fear.
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I think we lived with them,but we live with them. We
move forward with our fear. Andthe biggest difference is that when fear conquers
us, then we can't really moveforward. But I believe that even the
most successful people out there are livingwith their own fear. You know,
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we all have our own fear.Sometimes this could be about our fear the
word success and fame for some somepeople, maybe they're extremely successful, but
their fear is about losing their familymember right or losing it could be about
a situation, could be about aperson. We all have our fear,
and we I don't really believe thatwe really eliminate them completely, but we
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we build our faith in for ourfuture and we how do I express that
we live with them and we moveforward with them. And and the true
happiness is not the absence of fear, I think, but it's our ability
to withstand it. And that's whatit is. So usually when clients are
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saying to me, you know,I'm still afraid of doing that or pursuing
something, or being afraid of forexample, what if one day my mother,
you know, dies and I can'tlive without her, et cetera,
et cetera. And I usually tellthem that it's okay to have that fear.
I'm not going to be in theposition to tell you to be fearless
because I have my fear too,But it depends on whether you have control
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over that fear or not. Right, what do you think? Yeah,
I love that. I think that'sbrilliant because, yes, we can be
taken over by fear. And ifwe look at fear and faith, they're
virtually the same thing. Right.We can't feel either of them, we
can't see either of them, right. We feel them physically, right internally,
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but fear is you know, veryimaginary as to the depth certainly of
how we experience that fear. SoI do think that's you know, very
you know, it's a poignant pointin terms of being able to just move
forward despite having the fear. Youknow. I know that there was a
singer I believe it was Bruce Springsteenand Carly Simon, and you know it
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was one of these maybe like theirso called spiritual counselor that they needed in
that time of moment and need wereone of the artists, Carly Simon,
I believe she was performing, aboutto perform. She was on stage and
she was sweating. You know,she had the butterflies in her stomach.
She was nervous, and she saidshe can't perform because you know, she
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was feeling that fear. And thenyou know, Bruce Springsteen was talking about
how, you know, in hismoments just before performing, that he would
have butterflies in his stomach and hewould feel fear, you know, and
he would sweat, just like CarlySimon. But he said he loved it
and he thrive and you would youknow, go out there and perform where
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he was feeling like immobilized by thatfear. Eventually was able to get out
there. But it's that acknowledgment ofOkay, it's here, now what do
I do with it? Right,instead of feeling stuck and buried in the
fear. Yeah, yeah, Ithink this is about the how we how
we bring a sense of logic orrationality into that. Right. A very
typical thing that I noticed in mysession is that a client would say,
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you know, I'm very you know, they will talk about, you know,
how they feel, I feel anxious, I'm you know, I'm afraid,
and usually I say anxious about what? You're afraid of what? And
then they have to stub and thinkand they have to you know, find
the right word or you know,the right answer for that. So I
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think this is a feel This isjust showing that we're so overwhelmed by our
feelings. So what we're seeing iseither that anxiety or fear, but we're
not really looking at it in thevery logical way, and so that could
definitely be something as a first stepfor us to do is to identify our
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feeling but being able to verbalize itand understand what that really is instead of
just knowing that that's how what thefeeding is. Well, we're going to
continue the conversation here on Saga ninesixty. You're listening to the Mindset Mentor.
I'm Tanya Kohlar. My special guesttoday is Lutao. He is a
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spiritual counselor. He is a professionaltarot reader author. He has an incredible
new deck of cards called the Oracleof the Celestial Deities. And when we
come back from this break, we'regoing to talk about accessing your innate power,
amplifying your own power by tapping intothe cosmos and ancient wisdom and of
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course mythological deities. When we comeback after this stay, tuned, no
radio, no problem. Stream islive on SAGA ninety six am dot C.
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Well, hello, welcome back tothe Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya Kohlar,
helping you cultivate and life you loveand remember that your mindset is like
a muscle that needs to be strengthenedand conditioned. So this is your mindset
workout right here today. So todaywe are speaking with my special guest.
His name is Lutao Wang. Heis a spiritual counselor. He is also
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the founder of the Healing Kingdom.He's a prefer National Terrorist card reader.
He's an author and is created anew deck. This is his second deck
of cards called the Oracle of theCelestial Deities, which is meant is kind
of a sequel to another deck thatwe'll talk about. He's going to share
that with you, but really tappinginto human psychology, ancient wisdom, and
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tapping into the cosmos and mythological deitiesso that you are able to access your
own personal power innate wisdom. Becauseremember that we all always have the answers.
The answers that you seek are within, but sometimes we need help to
get that out there. So let'scontinue and jump right back into the conversation,
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LaTaO. It is such a pleasureto have you here, and I
would love to talk about your latestdeck, The Oracle of the Celestial Deities.
Beautiful artwork, but really it's themessages that speak volumes to helping people
to push past some of that fearand offer that illumination moving forward in life.
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Right, So, this deck ofcards is mainly focusing on the ancient
Roman and Greek deities. So youknow the deities that you know, if
you read Ancient Woman or Greek mythology, you might be familiar with some of
those deities such as you know Apollo, Artemis, Poseidon, Haydes, right,
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and you know, very common names. For me, this deck of
card is not just about learning thegods. Of course, there is a
you know, a sense of storytellingand the mythological you know, knowledge in
that if you're interested in mythology.However, for me, the actually ancient
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deities is all about the archetypes thatwe learn and we understand, and so
it's a little bit like the aredeities, but they are also each deity
is a very typical let's say,human trait or human nature in them,
and That's why I love ancient womanGreek mythology, because none of the gods
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are actually omnipotent. They're just likeus. They love, they hate,
they're jealous, none of them aresaint, if you know what I mean.
And so when we read those storiesand we can really associate ourselves with
them, and we see, forexample, when the goddess of marriage hera
is angry with her husband because ourhusband Zeus is a playboy. We see
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that in our daily life. Andwhen we see, uh, let's say
Venus, the goddess of love,even though she's married to he Festus the
blacksmith, but truly she loves actuallya different guy, you know. Ares
you see that again in our dailylife. The goddess of love is actually
not really loyal. She actually lovedthe man outside her marriage. And so
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when you look at those stories andyou really feel they are that all the
the is aren't actually just leading aroundus and they're it's exactly the same as
who we are. And so thoseancient stories and those archetypes that we see
in in Roman and Greek mythology,through learning them, we can tremendous wisdom
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and understanding about who we are andwhy we do certain things. You know,
I love that. And also itreally offers, you know, people
the ability to understand that they arenot alone, knowing that someone else has
gone through the same things that thatwe're that we go through, you know,
in the human range of emotion,which is quite vast right there,
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the spectrum of emotion, and soyou know, we can get lost sometime
in emotion and we get taken outof our source because our emotions are so
heightened. So sometimes it's just reallynice to have that understanding that well,
hold on a second, you know, those those feelings can shift. We
can you know, have control againover those feelings that have gone astray to
bring us back to the present,into into the moment. Right, So
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I would love for you to beable to share with us some of those
beautiful cards. I mean, theartwork is phenomenal and first of all,
for anyone you know who is joiningus. You were also able to have
a look at the cards on YouTube. You can, you know, have
a look at this video interview here, So check that out at my YouTube
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channel at Tanya Kolar. But ofcourse, as you're listening now, Lotao
is going to really explain some ofthose cards and also to give you,
you know, a hint at theartwork that you can expect. Right,
So maybe we'll just share a fewcards, you know, on the screen
and maybe we can talk about them. And let's just say because earlier since
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we mentioned the polo. So thisis one of the cards and it says
the Sun on top, and wealso have some keywords at the bottom of
the of the card. And forthe Sun got a polo, it says
centered self under which to shine thisdeity in ancient Roman mythology, actually there
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are two deities associated with the Sunin Greek culture. One is Apollo,
the other one is Hadios. Butthe reason why I've chosen Apollo is because
Apollo has a lot more characters,you know, in him. There's a
lot of stories related to Apolo becausenot only is he the god of light
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uh and he's associated with the Sun, but also he's associated with creativity.
And this is very interesting because inastrology, this ezotic sign that is ruled
by the Sun is Leo, andthe first traits that we look at the
Leo as a constellation sign is creativity. And that is why usually people who
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are very strong Leo planets on theirchart. Let's say they might have the
Sun, the Moon, you know, Venus, mercury in LEO. They
tend to be very, very expressiveand also so they're artistic. A lot
of artists carry LEO planet. Alot of actors they you know, especially
you know those ones whould you know, take the center stage. And so
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the Sun card is talking about howyou shine as a sun. Imagine if
you're an actor, what you wantto do is you want to stand in
the middle of the stage, centerof the stage, and you want all
eyes on you, right, Andthat's what the Leo energy is. So
the Sun is the same. TheSun is the center of our solar system.
The Sun will not move for otherplanet. The Sun is saying,
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I'm shining here, you guys,go around me. And so when we
pull out this card, the Sunis really talking about how to understand our
own ego, how to understand ourcenter and how we want to shine in
this world or when our ego isoverly inflated, how do we contain that
and how do we understand well,you know, the other side, the
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dark side of our ego. Sothat's what basically this card the Sun is
about. Oh beautiful. I lovethat. It's a very powerful card,
you know, and it's interesting becausewhen we look at historically different you know,
tarot decks, you know, thesun is a very dominant card and
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very important. And I think italso shows how important it is to really
to shine your natural light and toradiate truth, because we can all find
ourselves in situations where maybe we're notshining, or maybe we're shining a little
bit too brightly. There is sucha thing as shining too brightly, right,
because we need to be true toourselves. But I think it's in
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the intention. I think really speaksvolumes as to how we you know,
show up. Yeah, yeah,Well, I guess the most important thing
maybe for the Shining Sun is thatit's about our focus, right, I
mean, are we focusing on knowingwe are shining or are we focusing on
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having everyone else noticed me shining?And I think that's the difference. Right.
So this is one of the cardsthat we have just shared. What
else, So let's have a lookon this one. Maybe this is interesting,
Okay. Urinus, Okay, thisis an outer planet in the sky.
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Urinus was the god of sky andalso he was the god of chaos.
Actually, in ancient Greek mythology,the keyword for him on the cart
at the bolt hoops on the bottomof the card here says invention, chaos
and the wish to change. Whenwe talk about Urinus, we have to
talk about signs. Actually, Sofor thousands of years we didn't know the
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existence of Urinus, actually, andthe reason was because Urinus was so far
away from us that you cannot seeit with your naked eye basically, and
so only after the invention of telescopethen we understood, oh, so there
is something beyond Saturn. There's basically, Saturn is the planet. It's the
furthest the thing that we could seewith our naked eye in our solar system.
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And Urinus was basically discovered in seventyeighty two around that time when we
had telescope. And during that timethere were a few things happened happening in
our society, and the French Revolutionhappened during that time, the American Revolution
happened at that time, the IndustrialRevolution in the UK happened around that time.
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So you can find some common themesaround that period of time in human
history, which is chaos, revolutionand change and so this Urinus industrology is
all talking about bad energy, istalking about perhaps we need to break through,
We need to come out of ourtradition and come out of our habit
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and this is a time for usto bring, for example, in the
a French revolution, bring democracy tothe society, so you know, we
end the kingdom and we build arepublic. And in UK it's about we
don't use manual labor anymore because nowwe have technology, we're going to use
machinery to replace workers, you know, things like that. Of course,
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when we go through chaos and changes, which is this part is all about,
it might not be all pleasant.One of the things I usually hear
from my patients is that they feellife is too chaotic, so many changes,
and they're losing their own groundedness ortheir own sense of stability. But
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look at the reality. If wenow go to France and you ask someone
on the street, do you thinkthe French Revolution was a good thing for
your country? One hundred percent theywill say yes. Nobody will say I
wish that revolution never happened. Andso what does that mean is that sometimes
when we're going through chaos and changes, we might not feel complete comfortable with
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it. So only in the hindsight, when we look back, we could
appreciate it and we realized that thatchange or whatever happened that forced us to
start, that change was really necessaryfor us, and it was, let's
say, a blessing in disguise.So this is how I see the planet.
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You're on this. I love that. It's sort of a catalyst for
change, for sure, catalysts growth, right when we experience that, the
chaos, the revolution and the change, and we fear change sometimes, but
yes, absolutely, if we dodissect our history, we can look back
and say, wow, thank gosh, I went through that experience and I
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was able to change and evolve,right, evolving to the next level.
And so progress is essential. Ithink that's how we drive and to live
our best life is to continually justto grow, to learn to experience.
Right. So that's beautiful. Sonow I'm interested to learn about the marriage
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between Eastern and Western astrology and arethey correlated or are they sort of separate?
Okay, So even when we talkabout Eastern astrology, there are also
different types. Right. One ofthe most popular types out there is Vedic,
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and Vedic is from India. Okay, so if we so, usually
we categorize that as Eastern, youknow, Asian, a part of the
South Asian culture. Vedic astrology isstill similar somehow to Western astrology, even
though the charred calculation and uh andyou know, when we look at the
alignment, there are certain things thatare different, but the most let's say,
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the biggest different. And this isalso the reason why I didn't really
study vedicaslogy was really because Vedic astrologywas very much about fate. So for
anyone who has studied Vedic astrology froma proper vedic astrology in India, you
will notice that it's very typical foryou to go to a vedic astrologer and
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they will tell you what will happenat what age and that's what it is.
So for example, you will getmarried at the age of twenty six,
you will have your first child atthe age of thirty two, and
your health you tend to have ahealth problem around the age of thirty seven,
so be careful, you know,et cetera, et cetera. So
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Vedic astrology was very much about fateand they tend to believe that our life
is ninety nine percent based on theuniverse on the fate. And I think
Western astrology, particularly modern Western astrology, has changed a lot, and it's
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focusing more and more on our personaleffort, and it's more talking about our
power and as human being, howwe can still maneuver our path even though
the universe has provided a foundation forus that could be good or that could
be not very ideal. Right,there are certain things you can't really change.
Let's say, for example, Imean, I don't know, let's
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say an Yeah, maybe you wereborn in a super rich family and I
was not. This is our fate, right, I mean, to be
honest, that's not fair. Yourparents have like a billion dollars in your
bank account. My parents are likeshit, why? Right? And so
there is a sense of fading there. Our soul has chosen that past,
that family for us to experience.So I wouldn't say there's no fate and
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everything. It just has to makesense. But what the universe is providing
to us based on Western astrology,is a little bit like the seed that
has been planted there. But whetheryou water them, you fertilize them,
and you're trying your best to growthis plant has a lot to deal with
the prosperity of this plant in thefuture as well. And so this is
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a big difference between the Eastern andthe Western one. Now in Eastern astrology,
there's also Chinese astrology, but Chineseastrology is really a different ballgame.
It's nothing like Western astrology actually,and I'm sure you are familiar with let's
say the zotic sign. Let's sayyou're a rooster and a dragon, you
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know, she's a rabbit, thatkind of stuff, and people can just
think, also, that's Chinese astrology. No, it's not. It's really
just a tape of an the iceberg, honestly. And there are many many
different branches actually in Chinese astrology,and some of them actually don't even have
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anything to do to do with oursolar system and the planets that where we
just talked about, you know,the Sun and the Moon and things like
that. And even if there arecertain planet that is used in them that
are used in Chinese astrology, theywould have completely different meanings in them.
And what I realized about Chinese astrologyis that it's more like like mass you
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see, Western astrology is more graphic. There are pictures, photos, you
know, the symbols, things likethat. Chinese astrology especially, there's a
very a unique system in Chinese.It's called him and Dunjia, and that
system is more about calculation, soyou have to be able to do a
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lot of complicated mass and to beable to master that art. So that's
what I realized. It's completely differentballgame, you know. It's just you
know, you can bring a Westernastrology, you bring them to Vetic astrology,
they already have fifty percent there.You know, they need to learn
the other fifty percent. For Chineseastrology, it's nothing similar. And so
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it's just a lot of wisdom andyou know, miracles in there. And
I recently had this opportunity to talkto a Chinese astrology master and it was
just fascinating and the things he wassay because it's also has a lot to
do with philosophy. So basically Chineseastrology is math, is philosophy, and
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there's also of course mythology in it. I love it. All. Right,
Well, we're going to continue theconversation here on Saga nine sixty.
We're gonna take a short break andwe're going to be right back after this.
Stay tuned stream us Live at Saganine sixty am dot c A.
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Hello, Hello, and welcome backto the Mindset mentor. A'm Tanya Kohlar,
my special guest today is a spiritualcounselor UH. He is a professional
Tarot reader. He is the founderof the Healing Kingdom and a Wealth of
Knowledge H. He is also thecreator of two oracle decks with books called
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Well this this one is called hisnewest one, which is available in literally
just days. It's called Oracle ofthe Celestial Deities, which is actually a
sequel to UH myth the uh isit Oracle of the Mythic Heroes? Lautau?
Yeah, I got it right.Super cool? All right, so
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let's continue the conversation and if youcould, you know, go back a
little bit in time to the firstdeck and you know what that was about
and what the intention was to createthat, right. So the first deck,
it's called Oracle of the Mythic Heroes. This one one came out January
this year. It was released onJanuary the Days on Amazon and in the
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bookstores. So the difference between thesetwo decks is that the first deck orc
of the Mythic Heroes. You know, just like what it sounds like,
it's about the mortal stories. Soit's about the human heroes in the Hercules,
Thetheus, Atlanta, Wortheus, youknow, those famous human stories in
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ancient Greek mythology. And the seconddeck, you know, which we talked
about earlier, the celestial deities,was more about the golden goddesses. And
so it's almost like you know thefirst part of the mythology and the second
part of the mythology. And literallyif you have both decks, you can
even mix them together and use themtogether, and that really gives that the
whole picture of Ilia and Abdysey basically. Yeah, but a day I think,
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uh, you know, look nowis a great way to start your
day and just to see like whatwhat's in store today? Know, Yeah,
it's like a daty guidance thing,yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah,
And we can find a lot ofinspirations from those hero stories, like
like what I mentioned earlier. Yeah, even though there were you know,
either you believe the exists if we'renot, you know, thousands of years
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ago, we're still leading the samelife as as as they did. We
are still learning the same lessons aswhat they did. Yeah. M interesting,
All right, Now I'm curious becauseI know all of the listeners right
now and the viewers who will bewatching this video on YouTube afterwards would be
very curious to know. And I'msure everybody listening would want to have a
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personal spiritual counseling session with you.But as you're in Hong Kong right now
and we're here, it's a littlebit difficult because you're so busy as well.
You know, can we help thelisteners and the viewers to have a
little bit of that guidance? Wouldyou be able to pull a card,
a special card for everyone? Absolutely? Yeah. So let's just get a
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very high level message for everyone who'slistening to our show. Yeah, let's
see what message comes out. Yeah. Actually, I'm gonna do the shuffling.
Yeah, so, Tanya, whydon't you say stop and I will
stop shopling. I'll pull the cardon top. So it's gonna be a
team work. Okay, work.I love it. I love it.
Collaboration at its finest. All right, let's do it. Can you see
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my hands? I can see yourhands? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
just say stop when you're ready.Oh something, Oh interesting, that's funny,
okay and stop? All right,here we go. Okay, So
I'm gonna pull this card out.Interesting, So this card says chorus.
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Okay, Hubris, Okay, I'llshow you the card. So I'm not
sure if you or our audience arefamiliar with this figure chorus. And so
this guy is is the son ofDablas and dad Loss was a very famous
carpenter and he was a master ofyou know, making everything, you know.
And in a very famous story,so Icarus and Deadlas was trapped in
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a tower and they were trying toget out. So they made two sets
of wings. And because they wereso you know, good at what they
do, so those wings were youknow, actually can help them fly.
So you can see, yeah,he has got wings on his back.
But before they they flew out,that Loss set to Charus, their son
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just remembered, don't fly too highbecause if you're too close to the sun,
the sun may melt the wax,right, and then you know,
the the the wings might just getbroken. And Ikarus said, no problem
that, I I know, Iknow. Okay, So they flew out.
But of course this sensation you have, you know, you're flying,
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you're like a bird, You're likean ego. Right, So Kus became
so excited that he forgot his father'swords. He flew higher and higher and
higher, almost like he felt hecould become become a gold And then of
course the wing broke and he fellfrom the sky. And that's a story
about Ekurus. So there are severalmeanings in this card, and of course
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the key word is hubris. Nowsometimes I call this card know it at
all a little bit. So thiscard is basically telling us that the most
important thing for us is really tolearn from different opinions around us. Sometimes
we think we already know everything,and we sometimes we think that I already
know why certain things are working,why certain things are not working. But
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this part is just saying that alot of you know people just from very
month at the very mung thing level. Yeah, the person that you talk
to, let's say in the bar, or the doorman, right, or
a colleague that may be even morejunior than you. Sometimes the things they
say could actually inspire you. Andso this card is a card that is
really encouraging active communication and two waycommunication instead of just you know, I
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think I know. And so Ithink as a great advice for everyone who
is listening to this, I thinkthis is a great time if you're facing
some challenges in your life, ifyou're feeling your heating up blog, this
is a great time for you toconnect with people and listening to their opinions
and their their thoughts and their differentperspectives, and some of those information might
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just open that door for you.I love that. So that's interesting that
communication piece, so Icarus, youknow, reminding us to stay open,
you know, to communicate. AndI think it's really important that, Yeah,
we don't realize that we or weso that we don't believe that we
know everything because we're constantly evolving andwe're constantly learning. So it is very
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important to always maintain a growth mindset, to move forward, right, and
to move past sort of being fixedand locked into one belief system. I
actually think this card is so appropriatenow to be on that. I was
really surprised because thetributer just moved intoGemini about a week ago, and Gemini
is all about communication. So thenext twelve months for humanity is about how
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we communicate with each other, howdifferent countries leaders communicate with each other so
that we can stop the war.Oh yeah, so important, yes,
please, Okay, So we justhave about a minute remaining. Look,
how if you could tell everyone howthey can learn more about you, where
they can get your beautiful dack oforacle cards and learn more. Right so,
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if you like oracle cards and ifyou like Roman Greek mythology, you
can find these two decks on Amazondot com or if you're in Europe,
you can also find out Amazon UK. It's on global, It's available globally.
If you want to contact me fora personal spiritual consoling session, you
can find me through my website wwwdot Thehalingkingdom dot com, through my official
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Instagram which is my name L.E. T A O W A and
g let's how long wonderful. Thankyou so much for that, and thank
you for you know, helping toilluminate our past so that we can move
forward powerfully knowing that we have freewill and we can really attract and draw
and create the life that we trulylove. I want to thank you for
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not only being here, but alsofor the work that you are doing to
collectively help humanity through offering the ancientwisdom, the mythological learnings from the deities.
And you know, just that thatinner power, that innate power that
we all you know have so thankyou so much, well, thank you,
thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed our conversation and
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I hope our audience are also learningsomething from the myth. Yes. Absolutely,
it's all about learning, evolving andbeing your best self and remembering that
you are limitless potential. So injoy your day. Thank you for tuning
in everyone. That's a wrap fortoday. Tune in Thursdays at three pm
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for more of the Mindset Mentor.I'm Tanya Kohler, helping you to live
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hello and welcome to the Mindset MentorAntonia Kolar helping you live a life you
love. Well on today's show,I thought that, you know, we
could give you some guidance and someillumination into your life path. You know,
we all have goals, we allhave you know, dreams and desires,
and sometimes we sort of stumble alongthat path and we just don't know
(00:46):
what to do anymore. Well,my special guest today is going to help
be the lantern, the illuminator inyour life to help you actually even tap
in and discover your own innate powerand your ability to tap into that that
guidance. So how about we sayhello and welcome to the taw Wang.
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He is a spiritual counselor. Heis a multiple award winning UH spiritual counselor.
UH. He's an author and we'regonna talk about his new deck of
cards and book which is called Oracleof the Celestial Deities. So really cool
to be able to access that powerand that that wisdom amidst the chaos of
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life. Uh the how It's sucha pleasure having you here today, so
welcome. I know that you arealso the founder of the Healing Kingdom.
So super cool. Uh, spiritualcounselor and professional astrologist all wrapped into one,
uh, providing a very unique guidance, I would say, form right,
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So thank you, and and I'dlove to delve into exactly you know,
what your abilities are and how yousort of came to be a spiritual
counselor of sorts and also a sensitiveintuitive right. Well, first of all,
thank you very much for having beenhon your show, Tanya. It's
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it's a great honor to be here. I uh so at this moment,
what I do is called the spiritualcounseling, and which is a my unique
way of combining the mystical and theesoteric art with a modern day clinical psychology.
However, when I started my career, I was initially trained when I
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lived in Sydney, Australia as afortune teller. Actually, my first teacher
was a very famous fortune teller inAustralia, and my training and study was
very much about you know, uh, the predictive nature, right, so
you know, basically when we seea client, you know, the clients
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will ask us just about their future, and so we use astrology and herald
as a predictive tool for them.So it's very much focusing on divination.
But you know, throughout my career, the more I progressed into my career,
the more I realized that I becameless and less interested in telling people
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what's going to happen in their future, and I became more and I actually
found my real motivation was really inthe therapeutic value of our sessions. And
to put in a nutshell, insteadof telling people what will happen and they
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will need to either expect that ordeal with that, I'm more interested in
looking at the gift and the talentand the resource they have and understand what's
the potential future there and in casethat's not the future they want, and
how can we you know, changeor maneuver that pass forward. And so
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that's the time when I realized thatI don't just want to be of words
and teller. I want to bringmore therapeutic value to my sessions. And
so it was about four four years, you know, into my my career,
I went back to grad school andI did my master degree in counseling,
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and because I really wanted to systematicallystudy counseling and and of course,
you know, we had to goas a part of the program, we
had to go to clinics, youknow, to see real real patients uh
stuffing from anxiety, depression, youknow, sometimes even you know, we
have to work together with other professionalsright together to treat the patients. And
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that became you know, a veryprecious spe hehearance for me. And so
what I do these days is Istill use our you know, the the
divinational tools, because that's what Iuh, you know, what I loved
and what I started with. Andso usually when clients come to me,
I will how you know, theway we do session is to really look
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at what the client is going throughand their their blockages and the issues and
questions, and through using the devinationaltools such as astrology, uh terroor and
numerology, hopefully I will be ableto provide certain guidance and to the client
and so that at the end ofthe session it becomes a wing wing situation.
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Yeah. I love that, youknow, and thank you for sharing
all of that, because there isa wealth of knowledge that you have,
you know, tapping into different modalities. It's so interesting how you've uniquely married
all of that together in a waythat can provide us with the ability to
know, you know, how tomove forward. So something that you touched
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on, which I absolutely love,is the potential. So it's not being
you know, resigned to what isand what shows up in life, because
sometimes we can fear that and nowwe don't know what to do or we
feel stuck. So being able toaccess beyond the now and move into the
potential of what our life can looklike, I think is really really important,
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you know. And you also talkedabout gifts and talents, and everybody
has special gifts and talents that areso unique. You know, you've used
your gifts and talents in such abeautiful way and now helping you know,
the world to understand their own giftsand talents. And I think that's something
so beautiful, offering that therapeutic valueinto our into our life's journey. I
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think that everyone struggles in some formor another. I mean, you talked
on, you know, touched uponanxiety and depression, and I think the
world has witness and experience that ina greater magnitude than we've seen before,
and we are looking for ways toalleviate some of that so that we can
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move to our greatest potential and notfeel those limitations and the despondency of just
feeling stuck in life. So Iwould love to understand a little bit more
lot how on how can we reallythrive through that chaos? So, coming
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to you as a spiritual counselor andexperiencing a session, where do you start
with your clients? I think alot of the tep issues, probably at
the very beginning, is not veryeasy for us to access that depth of
understanding about ourselves. And sometimes wejust have to start from the basic things
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and what is really on the surfaceand a very typical uh for example.
Yeah, As an example, let'ssay someone is going through a lot of
anxiety and difficulties with their relationships,right, and they go back and forth
when it comes to dealing with aloved one, and on the surface,
they would come to a counselor orthey will come to a therapist because they
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want to feel better or they wantto they want their relationship to become better.
But that's what they're aware of atthis level and what our job is
to go a little bit deeper withtheir thoughts and feelings. And because a
lot of the issues is not reallyabout what they're dealing with now, as
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you can already imagine, a lotof those things are so deeply rooted in
their mind. It could come fromtheir early childhood education, how they dealt
with their relationships with their parents,how they felt safe or unsafe, you
know, in their early childhood environment. And so a lot of the times
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during the session will start talking aboutthe very superficial level things, how are
they feeding, why they're feeding incertain ways. And this is where astrology
and terror would play a very importantrole. Is all these divinational tools at
the end of the day are actuallyarchetypes, and they're talking about they're really
showing to me at least the archaetypesthat the patient or decline who is sitting
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in front of me embracing. Andso through those archetypes, I usually use
the method, which is my favorite, and it's about storytelling. And so
we're not going to say, okay, so you did this and this means
this, you know, because alot of the times this sounds very judgmental
and a lot of the clients,especially for a first time clients, they
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can also be quite defensive. Right, we don't want to go to a
therapist and be jogged because we havebeen judged by the society enough, and
so when we go to a counselor, we want understanding inside instead of having
a therapy saying oh, so you'relike this, so you did this,
and you did this, and sohow do you want to change? Right?
And apparently you know, that's justnot good counseling. And so I
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love you to use a master ofstorytelling. And this is also where I
bring, you know, one ofmy favorite field, mythology, into my
practice. There are a lot offascinating mythological stories study that are so relevant
to in the modern day society andwhat we do on a daily basis.
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And through those stories, usually Ifind patients or clients more easily accessible,
let's put it this way, andthey will also become more open towards sharing
their own stories after listening to ourstories. Just a little bit like that.
Yeah, yeah, I love that. It's kind of like permission to
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feel heard and also to be seen. You know, one of the greatest
human needs is the need to feelsignificant and to feel validated. So I
understand, you know, when you'retalking about the fear sometimes of people coming
to a counselor or seeking therapy becausethey fear judgment. You know, judgment
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is not you know, a comfortablefeeling when you're trying to be vulnerable,
right, And I think it isvery instrumental key and thriving in life is
to be vulnerable and to just fullyput yourself out there and to to to
see some of those barriers. Butwhen we're so guarded, it's hard to
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see that, you know, atthe surface level, and to really live,
to be our full innate nature,our core self, we need to
express, you know, we needto express who we are and remember who
we are the magnificence of who weare. And often in life, our
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life experiences create layers and bear inaccessing that. So it's part of the
spiritual work and the assessment that youdo with your clients. Is there sort
of a removal of those layers ina sort of a gradual process, because
I can't imagine it could all beeliminated, just like not definitely, Yeah,
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sometimes it takes a long time forsome will really case by case,
right, I mean, some clientscan be you know, they can be
very open from the you know,first time they walked into a door.
But also you know, sometimes Ialso make mistakes, like for example,
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you know, at the being ofa session, they might be very they
might appear very open. How areyou nice meeting you? Yeah, I
have this and that, But whenyou really talk about that, you shoe
as they shut up. You know, they don't want to talk about that
again. But this is about theirinner fear of releasing their or showing their
vulnerability because definitely in the past theywere jobs when they were open by other
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people. So you know, it'sa little bit like an observation right on
a daily basis, and you dealwith old clients from all walks of life,
and we also learn so many thingsfrom them. Yeah, you know,
that's really interesting because I feel that, you know, obviously, any
relationship is a give and take andit is a connection, and you have
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to be comfortable, particularly with acounselor or a therapist. There has to
be that mutual trust, right sothat you feel that you can really be
yourself and and to maximize you know, the space that emotional uh, you
know, vulnerability that could it couldbe really you know, difficult for some
people. And you know, Ilook back at my life and you know,
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I was a very very private person. I mean I didn't share anything
about my personal life. Right nownow I'm an open book. I share
because I've I've really come to understandthe value authentic and sharing. And the
benefit comes from that, you know, from from all sides, because you
give permission to everyone to be ableto express themselves. And it's so important
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because well, when we suppress ouremotion, you know, that gets trapped
in the body. And so Iwould imagine, you know how that some
of the people that are coming toyou have a lot of that suppressed emotion,
and it's like, how do wetap into that? How do we
get that out to release and tolet go? You know. One of
the big words, you know thatyou mentioned today was fear. I think
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fear really does a lot of harmfor the body physically and emotionally, uh,
you know, to our human psyche. So how can we start to
eliminate some of the fears that keepus stuck. That's a great question.
Actually, to be honest, Idon't ready think that we're really eliminate fear.
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I think we lived with them,but we live with them. We
move forward with our fear. Andthe biggest difference is that when fear conquers
us, then we can't really moveforward. But I believe that even the
most successful people out there are livingwith their own fear. You know,
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we all have our own fear.Sometimes this could be about our fear the
word success and fame for some somepeople, maybe they're extremely successful, but
their fear is about losing their familymember right or losing it could be about
a situation, could be about aperson. We all have our fear,
and we I don't really believe thatwe really eliminate them completely, but we
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we build our faith in for ourfuture and we how do I express that
we live with them and we moveforward with them. And and the true
happiness is not the absence of fear, I think, but it's our ability
to withstand it. And that's whatit is. So usually when clients are
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saying to me, you know,I'm still afraid of doing that or pursuing
something, or being afraid of forexample, what if one day my mother,
you know, dies and I can'tlive without her, et cetera,
et cetera. And I usually tellthem that it's okay to have that fear.
I'm not going to be in theposition to tell you to be fearless
because I have my fear too,But it depends on whether you have control
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over that fear or not. Right, what do you think? Yeah,
I love that. I think that'sbrilliant because, yes, we can be
taken over by fear. And ifwe look at fear and faith, they're
virtually the same thing. Right.We can't feel either of them, we
can't see either of them, right. We feel them physically, right internally,
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but fear is you know, veryimaginary as to the depth certainly of
how we experience that fear. SoI do think that's you know, very
you know, it's a poignant pointin terms of being able to just move
forward despite having the fear. Youknow. I know that there was a
singer I believe it was Bruce Springsteenand Carly Simon, and you know it
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was one of these maybe like theirso called spiritual counselor that they needed in
that time of moment and need wereone of the artists, Carly Simon,
I believe she was performing, aboutto perform. She was on stage and
she was sweating. You know,she had the butterflies in her stomach.
She was nervous, and she saidshe can't perform because you know, she
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was feeling that fear. And thenyou know, Bruce Springsteen was talking about
how, you know, in hismoments just before performing, that he would
have butterflies in his stomach and hewould feel fear, you know, and
he would sweat, just like CarlySimon. But he said he loved it
and he thrive and you would youknow, go out there and perform where
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he was feeling like immobilized by thatfear. Eventually was able to get out
there. But it's that acknowledgment ofOkay, it's here, now what do
I do with it? Right,instead of feeling stuck and buried in the
fear. Yeah, yeah, Ithink this is about the how we how
we bring a sense of logic orrationality into that. Right. A very
typical thing that I noticed in mysession is that a client would say,
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you know, I'm very you know, they will talk about, you know,
how they feel, I feel anxious, I'm you know, I'm afraid,
and usually I say anxious about what? You're afraid of what? And
then they have to stub and thinkand they have to you know, find
the right word or you know,the right answer for that. So I
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think this is a feel This isjust showing that we're so overwhelmed by our
feelings. So what we're seeing iseither that anxiety or fear, but we're
not really looking at it in thevery logical way, and so that could
definitely be something as a first stepfor us to do is to identify our
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feeling but being able to verbalize itand understand what that really is instead of
just knowing that that's how what thefeeding is. Well, we're going to
continue the conversation here on Saga ninesixty. You're listening to the Mindset Mentor.
I'm Tanya Kohlar. My special guesttoday is Lutao. He is a
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spiritual counselor. He is a professionaltarot reader author. He has an incredible
new deck of cards called the Oracleof the Celestial Deities. And when we
come back from this break, we'regoing to talk about accessing your innate power,
amplifying your own power by tapping intothe cosmos and ancient wisdom and of
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course mythological deities. When we comeback after this stay, tuned, no
radio, no problem. Stream islive on SAGA ninety six am dot C.
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Well, hello, welcome back tothe Mindset Mentor. I'm Tanya Kohlar,
helping you cultivate and life you loveand remember that your mindset is like
a muscle that needs to be strengthenedand conditioned. So this is your mindset
workout right here today. So todaywe are speaking with my special guest.
His name is Lutao Wang. Heis a spiritual counselor. He is also
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the founder of the Healing Kingdom.He's a prefer National Terrorist card reader.
He's an author and is created anew deck. This is his second deck
of cards called the Oracle of theCelestial Deities, which is meant is kind
of a sequel to another deck thatwe'll talk about. He's going to share
that with you, but really tappinginto human psychology, ancient wisdom, and
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tapping into the cosmos and mythological deitiesso that you are able to access your
own personal power innate wisdom. Becauseremember that we all always have the answers.
The answers that you seek are within, but sometimes we need help to
get that out there. So let'scontinue and jump right back into the conversation,
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LaTaO. It is such a pleasureto have you here, and I
would love to talk about your latestdeck, The Oracle of the Celestial Deities.
Beautiful artwork, but really it's themessages that speak volumes to helping people
to push past some of that fearand offer that illumination moving forward in life.
(22:02):
Right, So, this deck ofcards is mainly focusing on the ancient
Roman and Greek deities. So youknow the deities that you know, if
you read Ancient Woman or Greek mythology, you might be familiar with some of
those deities such as you know Apollo, Artemis, Poseidon, Haydes, right,
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and you know, very common names. For me, this deck of
card is not just about learning thegods. Of course, there is a
you know, a sense of storytellingand the mythological you know, knowledge in
that if you're interested in mythology.However, for me, the actually ancient
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deities is all about the archetypes thatwe learn and we understand, and so
it's a little bit like the aredeities, but they are also each deity
is a very typical let's say,human trait or human nature in them,
and That's why I love ancient womanGreek mythology, because none of the gods
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are actually omnipotent. They're just likeus. They love, they hate,
they're jealous, none of them aresaint, if you know what I mean.
And so when we read those storiesand we can really associate ourselves with
them, and we see, forexample, when the goddess of marriage hera
is angry with her husband because ourhusband Zeus is a playboy. We see
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that in our daily life. Andwhen we see, uh, let's say
Venus, the goddess of love,even though she's married to he Festus the
blacksmith, but truly she loves actuallya different guy, you know. Ares
you see that again in our dailylife. The goddess of love is actually
not really loyal. She actually lovedthe man outside her marriage. And so
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when you look at those stories andyou really feel they are that all the
the is aren't actually just leading aroundus and they're it's exactly the same as
who we are. And so thoseancient stories and those archetypes that we see
in in Roman and Greek mythology,through learning them, we can tremendous wisdom
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and understanding about who we are andwhy we do certain things. You know,
I love that. And also itreally offers, you know, people
the ability to understand that they arenot alone, knowing that someone else has
gone through the same things that thatwe're that we go through, you know,
in the human range of emotion,which is quite vast right there,
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the spectrum of emotion, and soyou know, we can get lost sometime
in emotion and we get taken outof our source because our emotions are so
heightened. So sometimes it's just reallynice to have that understanding that well,
hold on a second, you know, those those feelings can shift. We
can you know, have control againover those feelings that have gone astray to
bring us back to the present,into into the moment. Right, So
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I would love for you to beable to share with us some of those
beautiful cards. I mean, theartwork is phenomenal and first of all,
for anyone you know who is joiningus. You were also able to have
a look at the cards on YouTube. You can, you know, have
a look at this video interview here, So check that out at my YouTube
(25:22):
channel at Tanya Kolar. But ofcourse, as you're listening now, Lotao
is going to really explain some ofthose cards and also to give you,
you know, a hint at theartwork that you can expect. Right,
So maybe we'll just share a fewcards, you know, on the screen
and maybe we can talk about them. And let's just say because earlier since
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we mentioned the polo. So thisis one of the cards and it says
the Sun on top, and wealso have some keywords at the bottom of
the of the card. And forthe Sun got a polo, it says
centered self under which to shine thisdeity in ancient Roman mythology, actually there
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are two deities associated with the Sunin Greek culture. One is Apollo,
the other one is Hadios. Butthe reason why I've chosen Apollo is because
Apollo has a lot more characters,you know, in him. There's a
lot of stories related to Apolo becausenot only is he the god of light
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uh and he's associated with the Sun, but also he's associated with creativity.
And this is very interesting because inastrology, this ezotic sign that is ruled
by the Sun is Leo, andthe first traits that we look at the
Leo as a constellation sign is creativity. And that is why usually people who
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are very strong Leo planets on theirchart. Let's say they might have the
Sun, the Moon, you know, Venus, mercury in LEO. They
tend to be very, very expressiveand also so they're artistic. A lot
of artists carry LEO planet. Alot of actors they you know, especially
you know those ones whould you know, take the center stage. And so
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the Sun card is talking about howyou shine as a sun. Imagine if
you're an actor, what you wantto do is you want to stand in
the middle of the stage, centerof the stage, and you want all
eyes on you, right, Andthat's what the Leo energy is. So
the Sun is the same. TheSun is the center of our solar system.
The Sun will not move for otherplanet. The Sun is saying,
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I'm shining here, you guys,go around me. And so when we
pull out this card, the Sunis really talking about how to understand our
own ego, how to understand ourcenter and how we want to shine in
this world or when our ego isoverly inflated, how do we contain that
and how do we understand well,you know, the other side, the
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dark side of our ego. Sothat's what basically this card the Sun is
about. Oh beautiful. I lovethat. It's a very powerful card,
you know, and it's interesting becausewhen we look at historically different you know,
tarot decks, you know, thesun is a very dominant card and
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very important. And I think italso shows how important it is to really
to shine your natural light and toradiate truth, because we can all find
ourselves in situations where maybe we're notshining, or maybe we're shining a little
bit too brightly. There is sucha thing as shining too brightly, right,
because we need to be true toourselves. But I think it's in
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the intention. I think really speaksvolumes as to how we you know,
show up. Yeah, yeah,Well, I guess the most important thing
maybe for the Shining Sun is thatit's about our focus, right, I
mean, are we focusing on knowingwe are shining or are we focusing on
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having everyone else noticed me shining?And I think that's the difference. Right.
So this is one of the cardsthat we have just shared. What
else, So let's have a lookon this one. Maybe this is interesting,
Okay. Urinus, Okay, thisis an outer planet in the sky.
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Urinus was the god of sky andalso he was the god of chaos.
Actually, in ancient Greek mythology,the keyword for him on the cart
at the bolt hoops on the bottomof the card here says invention, chaos
and the wish to change. Whenwe talk about Urinus, we have to
talk about signs. Actually, Sofor thousands of years we didn't know the
(29:48):
existence of Urinus, actually, andthe reason was because Urinus was so far
away from us that you cannot seeit with your naked eye basically, and
so only after the invention of telescopethen we understood, oh, so there
is something beyond Saturn. There's basically, Saturn is the planet. It's the
furthest the thing that we could seewith our naked eye in our solar system.
(30:12):
And Urinus was basically discovered in seventyeighty two around that time when we
had telescope. And during that timethere were a few things happened happening in
our society, and the French Revolutionhappened during that time, the American Revolution
happened at that time, the IndustrialRevolution in the UK happened around that time.
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So you can find some common themesaround that period of time in human
history, which is chaos, revolutionand change and so this Urinus industrology is
all talking about bad energy, istalking about perhaps we need to break through,
We need to come out of ourtradition and come out of our habit
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and this is a time for usto bring, for example, in the
a French revolution, bring democracy tothe society, so you know, we
end the kingdom and we build arepublic. And in UK it's about we
don't use manual labor anymore because nowwe have technology, we're going to use
machinery to replace workers, you know, things like that. Of course,
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when we go through chaos and changes, which is this part is all about,
it might not be all pleasant.One of the things I usually hear
from my patients is that they feellife is too chaotic, so many changes,
and they're losing their own groundedness ortheir own sense of stability. But
(31:41):
look at the reality. If wenow go to France and you ask someone
on the street, do you thinkthe French Revolution was a good thing for
your country? One hundred percent theywill say yes. Nobody will say I
wish that revolution never happened. Andso what does that mean is that sometimes
when we're going through chaos and changes, we might not feel complete comfortable with
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it. So only in the hindsight, when we look back, we could
appreciate it and we realized that thatchange or whatever happened that forced us to
start, that change was really necessaryfor us, and it was, let's
say, a blessing in disguise.So this is how I see the planet.
(32:23):
You're on this. I love that. It's sort of a catalyst for
change, for sure, catalysts growth, right when we experience that, the
chaos, the revolution and the change, and we fear change sometimes, but
yes, absolutely, if we dodissect our history, we can look back
and say, wow, thank gosh, I went through that experience and I
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was able to change and evolve,right, evolving to the next level.
And so progress is essential. Ithink that's how we drive and to live
our best life is to continually justto grow, to learn to experience.
Right. So that's beautiful. Sonow I'm interested to learn about the marriage
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between Eastern and Western astrology and arethey correlated or are they sort of separate?
Okay, So even when we talkabout Eastern astrology, there are also
different types. Right. One ofthe most popular types out there is Vedic,
(33:27):
and Vedic is from India. Okay, so if we so, usually
we categorize that as Eastern, youknow, Asian, a part of the
South Asian culture. Vedic astrology isstill similar somehow to Western astrology, even
though the charred calculation and uh andyou know, when we look at the
alignment, there are certain things thatare different, but the most let's say,
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the biggest different. And this isalso the reason why I didn't really
study vedicaslogy was really because Vedic astrologywas very much about fate. So for
anyone who has studied Vedic astrology froma proper vedic astrology in India, you
will notice that it's very typical foryou to go to a vedic astrologer and
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they will tell you what will happenat what age and that's what it is.
So for example, you will getmarried at the age of twenty six,
you will have your first child atthe age of thirty two, and
your health you tend to have ahealth problem around the age of thirty seven,
so be careful, you know,et cetera, et cetera. So
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Vedic astrology was very much about fateand they tend to believe that our life
is ninety nine percent based on theuniverse on the fate. And I think
Western astrology, particularly modern Western astrology, has changed a lot, and it's
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focusing more and more on our personaleffort, and it's more talking about our
power and as human being, howwe can still maneuver our path even though
the universe has provided a foundation forus that could be good or that could
be not very ideal. Right,there are certain things you can't really change.
Let's say, for example, Imean, I don't know, let's
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say an Yeah, maybe you wereborn in a super rich family and I
was not. This is our fate, right, I mean, to be
honest, that's not fair. Yourparents have like a billion dollars in your
bank account. My parents are likeshit, why? Right? And so
there is a sense of fading there. Our soul has chosen that past,
that family for us to experience.So I wouldn't say there's no fate and
(35:44):
everything. It just has to makesense. But what the universe is providing
to us based on Western astrology,is a little bit like the seed that
has been planted there. But whetheryou water them, you fertilize them,
and you're trying your best to growthis plant has a lot to deal with
the prosperity of this plant in thefuture as well. And so this is
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a big difference between the Eastern andthe Western one. Now in Eastern astrology,
there's also Chinese astrology, but Chineseastrology is really a different ballgame.
It's nothing like Western astrology actually,and I'm sure you are familiar with let's
say the zotic sign. Let's sayyou're a rooster and a dragon, you
(36:30):
know, she's a rabbit, thatkind of stuff, and people can just
think, also, that's Chinese astrology. No, it's not. It's really
just a tape of an the iceberg, honestly. And there are many many
different branches actually in Chinese astrology,and some of them actually don't even have
(36:52):
anything to do to do with oursolar system and the planets that where we
just talked about, you know,the Sun and the Moon and things like
that. And even if there arecertain planet that is used in them that
are used in Chinese astrology, theywould have completely different meanings in them.
And what I realized about Chinese astrologyis that it's more like like mass you
(37:15):
see, Western astrology is more graphic. There are pictures, photos, you
know, the symbols, things likethat. Chinese astrology especially, there's a
very a unique system in Chinese.It's called him and Dunjia, and that
system is more about calculation, soyou have to be able to do a
(37:36):
lot of complicated mass and to beable to master that art. So that's
what I realized. It's completely differentballgame, you know. It's just you
know, you can bring a Westernastrology, you bring them to Vetic astrology,
they already have fifty percent there.You know, they need to learn
the other fifty percent. For Chineseastrology, it's nothing similar. And so
(37:59):
it's just a lot of wisdom andyou know, miracles in there. And
I recently had this opportunity to talkto a Chinese astrology master and it was
just fascinating and the things he wassay because it's also has a lot to
do with philosophy. So basically Chineseastrology is math, is philosophy, and
(38:22):
there's also of course mythology in it. I love it. All. Right,
Well, we're going to continue theconversation here on Saga nine sixty.
We're gonna take a short break andwe're going to be right back after this.
Stay tuned stream us Live at Saganine sixty am dot c A.
(39:00):
Hello, Hello, and welcome backto the Mindset mentor. A'm Tanya Kohlar,
my special guest today is a spiritualcounselor UH. He is a professional
Tarot reader. He is the founderof the Healing Kingdom and a Wealth of
Knowledge H. He is also thecreator of two oracle decks with books called
(39:22):
Well this this one is called hisnewest one, which is available in literally
just days. It's called Oracle ofthe Celestial Deities, which is actually a
sequel to UH myth the uh isit Oracle of the Mythic Heroes? Lautau?
Yeah, I got it right.Super cool? All right, so
(39:44):
let's continue the conversation and if youcould, you know, go back a
little bit in time to the firstdeck and you know what that was about
and what the intention was to createthat, right. So the first deck,
it's called Oracle of the Mythic Heroes. This one one came out January
this year. It was released onJanuary the Days on Amazon and in the
(40:06):
bookstores. So the difference between thesetwo decks is that the first deck orc
of the Mythic Heroes. You know, just like what it sounds like,
it's about the mortal stories. Soit's about the human heroes in the Hercules,
Thetheus, Atlanta, Wortheus, youknow, those famous human stories in
(40:27):
ancient Greek mythology. And the seconddeck, you know, which we talked
about earlier, the celestial deities,was more about the golden goddesses. And
so it's almost like you know thefirst part of the mythology and the second
part of the mythology. And literallyif you have both decks, you can
even mix them together and use themtogether, and that really gives that the
whole picture of Ilia and Abdysey basically. Yeah, but a day I think,
(40:53):
uh, you know, look nowis a great way to start your
day and just to see like whatwhat's in store today? Know, Yeah,
it's like a daty guidance thing,yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah,
And we can find a lot ofinspirations from those hero stories, like
like what I mentioned earlier. Yeah, even though there were you know,
either you believe the exists if we'renot, you know, thousands of years
(41:15):
ago, we're still leading the samelife as as as they did. We
are still learning the same lessons aswhat they did. Yeah. M interesting,
All right, Now I'm curious becauseI know all of the listeners right
now and the viewers who will bewatching this video on YouTube afterwards would be
very curious to know. And I'msure everybody listening would want to have a
(41:38):
personal spiritual counseling session with you.But as you're in Hong Kong right now
and we're here, it's a littlebit difficult because you're so busy as well.
You know, can we help thelisteners and the viewers to have a
little bit of that guidance? Wouldyou be able to pull a card,
a special card for everyone? Absolutely? Yeah. So let's just get a
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very high level message for everyone who'slistening to our show. Yeah, let's
see what message comes out. Yeah. Actually, I'm gonna do the shuffling.
Yeah, so, Tanya, whydon't you say stop and I will
stop shopling. I'll pull the cardon top. So it's gonna be a
team work. Okay, work.I love it. I love it.
Collaboration at its finest. All right, let's do it. Can you see
(42:23):
my hands? I can see yourhands? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
just say stop when you're ready.Oh something, Oh interesting, that's funny,
okay and stop? All right,here we go. Okay, So
I'm gonna pull this card out.Interesting, So this card says chorus.
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Okay, Hubris, Okay, I'llshow you the card. So I'm not
sure if you or our audience arefamiliar with this figure chorus. And so
this guy is is the son ofDablas and dad Loss was a very famous
carpenter and he was a master ofyou know, making everything, you know.
And in a very famous story,so Icarus and Deadlas was trapped in
(43:15):
a tower and they were trying toget out. So they made two sets
of wings. And because they wereso you know, good at what they
do, so those wings were youknow, actually can help them fly.
So you can see, yeah,he has got wings on his back.
But before they they flew out,that Loss set to Charus, their son
(43:37):
just remembered, don't fly too highbecause if you're too close to the sun,
the sun may melt the wax,right, and then you know,
the the the wings might just getbroken. And Ikarus said, no problem
that, I I know, Iknow. Okay, So they flew out.
But of course this sensation you have, you know, you're flying,
(43:58):
you're like a bird, You're likean ego. Right, So Kus became
so excited that he forgot his father'swords. He flew higher and higher and
higher, almost like he felt hecould become become a gold And then of
course the wing broke and he fellfrom the sky. And that's a story
about Ekurus. So there are severalmeanings in this card, and of course
(44:22):
the key word is hubris. Nowsometimes I call this card know it at
all a little bit. So thiscard is basically telling us that the most
important thing for us is really tolearn from different opinions around us. Sometimes
we think we already know everything,and we sometimes we think that I already
know why certain things are working,why certain things are not working. But
(44:44):
this part is just saying that alot of you know people just from very
month at the very mung thing level. Yeah, the person that you talk
to, let's say in the bar, or the doorman, right, or
a colleague that may be even morejunior than you. Sometimes the things they
say could actually inspire you. Andso this card is a card that is
really encouraging active communication and two waycommunication instead of just you know, I
(45:10):
think I know. And so Ithink as a great advice for everyone who
is listening to this, I thinkthis is a great time if you're facing
some challenges in your life, ifyou're feeling your heating up blog, this
is a great time for you toconnect with people and listening to their opinions
and their their thoughts and their differentperspectives, and some of those information might
(45:30):
just open that door for you.I love that. So that's interesting that
communication piece, so Icarus, youknow, reminding us to stay open,
you know, to communicate. AndI think it's really important that, Yeah,
we don't realize that we or weso that we don't believe that we
know everything because we're constantly evolving andwe're constantly learning. So it is very
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important to always maintain a growth mindset, to move forward, right, and
to move past sort of being fixedand locked into one belief system. I
actually think this card is so appropriatenow to be on that. I was
really surprised because thetributer just moved intoGemini about a week ago, and Gemini
is all about communication. So thenext twelve months for humanity is about how
(46:12):
we communicate with each other, howdifferent countries leaders communicate with each other so
that we can stop the war.Oh yeah, so important, yes,
please, Okay, So we justhave about a minute remaining. Look,
how if you could tell everyone howthey can learn more about you, where
they can get your beautiful dack oforacle cards and learn more. Right so,
(46:36):
if you like oracle cards and ifyou like Roman Greek mythology, you
can find these two decks on Amazondot com or if you're in Europe,
you can also find out Amazon UK. It's on global, It's available globally.
If you want to contact me fora personal spiritual consoling session, you
can find me through my website wwwdot Thehalingkingdom dot com, through my official
(47:00):
Instagram which is my name L.E. T A O W A and
g let's how long wonderful. Thankyou so much for that, and thank
you for you know, helping toilluminate our past so that we can move
forward powerfully knowing that we have freewill and we can really attract and draw
and create the life that we trulylove. I want to thank you for
(47:22):
not only being here, but alsofor the work that you are doing to
collectively help humanity through offering the ancientwisdom, the mythological learnings from the deities.
And you know, just that thatinner power, that innate power that
we all you know have so thankyou so much, well, thank you,
thank you so much for having me. I really enjoyed our conversation and
(47:45):
I hope our audience are also learningsomething from the myth. Yes. Absolutely,
it's all about learning, evolving andbeing your best self and remembering that
you are limitless potential. So injoy your day. Thank you for tuning
in everyone. That's a wrap fortoday. Tune in Thursdays at three pm
(48:05):
for more of the Mindset Mentor.I'm Tanya Kohler, helping you to live
your best life. No radio,no problem. Stream us live on SAGA
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