April 22, 2023 • 25 mins
Star Wars Celebration takes place in the UK and the nuggets of SW stuff roll in, sending the boys down one of their favorite rabbit holes. From there talk turns to how the movie box office has ruined our perception of movies and lastly to the work of James Cameron.
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Hello, it's in between, andI'm gonna do exactly what I tease yesterday
with Friday, I worked for theLovely Company that I went to the front
page of and tried to see whatpop culture was there. Adrian Line the
director of Flashdance. Okay, theyhave released a four K cuts remaster rerelease
of it, and Adrian Line,if I don't know if you've ever read
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interviews with him, but he's kindof a creepoid. You know, a
lot of his movie is a littlesleazy and whatnot. But the headline from
our front page is Flashdance director AvienLine. Remember seeing future star Jennifer Bills
for the first time in thinking,fuck, she's beautiful. Filmmaker had plenty
of doubts about the totally absurd dancemovie before it became the biggest hit of
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nineteen eighty three and unlikeliest, hisbiggest hit. When's the last time either
one of you saw that movie Flashdanceback when I was a kid. I've
never watched it. Have you knowit? So then let me describe to
you that this movie, this isa woman who is a dancer. Hang
on, we're going to she shewants to be a dancer. She's a
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welder, but the club that shedances at the most famous moment of is
she's in a laundry. She sitson a chair and they pull her water
on her, which would, aswe know it you're in laingerie, would
make her almost appear naked, Yeah, because the clothes would cling to her.
Shelley and I I'm like, Okay, this movie is about a stripper
who's a welder. And she's like, she's not a stripper, she's a
dancer, And like, what fuckingnightclub does she work at where she gets
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wet and dances around? She isa stripper? Sure enough? At least
Creepoyd Andrian Line at some point said, look, she basically she's a stripper.
Yeah, there was. There wasa high end club somewhere in like
a Detroit where they did this kindof thing where it was we're going to
do tasteful nudity and whatnot, andthat's kind of what they based it on.
You want to so we talk aboutwhere does the ape fit and when
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does that an actor want to gowatch the end of that film when she
goes and auditions for the dance Universityor whatever she wants to study it.
Oh my god, is the worstcut to somebody else wearing hair like hers?
It is not her, And youlook at it, it's like they
could not even find the right kindof wig. Well, like an Indiana
Jones or just scene where the guythat's always in the Nazi that's in the
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leather, he wasn't available for ascene and so they just put literally his
jacket and a hat on a reallyon a coat rack and put it in
a car. Nice. Yeah,I didn't know that. Look, that's
part of a movie. And Isay, this makes my mom so mad,
and I'm like, movies are lies. It is nothing but a succession
of I'm lying to you what I'mdoing. Because you could be shooting this
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in Idaho, and then I cutto a the same moment, but they're
shooting it in California. It's alie to tell you a story, right.
I just I saw this and Ithought he's one of those directors that
I've never understood how he got allthe success he did. It's just he
is just such a nasty, nastyman. How would you feel if you're
Jennifer Bill waking up today and it'slike, fuck, she's beautiful. Yeah,
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who is this director? What elsedid he do? Oh? All
kinds of shitty films like that momenthere, I'll hang, I got it.
Adrian is Adrian Lynn. Yeah,it's actually Lyne Line all right here.
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Well, well y'all are looking thatup. Oh he looks familiar.
I'm gonna grab something real quick.Yeah, yeah, I know this is
yeah. Yeah. So his otherfilms were Jacob's Ladder, Flashdance, Fatal
Attraction, which you know, failAttractions had some successful films that, yes
he has, but you know,Flashdance is the one that kind of started
his whole thing. And he's stilldirecting. He's still in fact, he
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made that ben Afflack and and adi armist film that got just panned recently
called deep Water. I never watchedit, but you know it just he
it always did in a half weeks. Yeah, which, well, we
go back and watch that movie.That maybe exploitative. Maybe he always has
that kind of element to his films. Jacob Sladder wasn't like that though.
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You're right I didn't like Jacob Slaughder. I didn't either. I just pissed
off by the ending. I'd bespoilers for a thirty year old movie.
Whenever the answered everything was it wasall a dream. It kind of that
just feels like an out to me. It does really jeep out. You
better earn that somehow. That makesit unique. Like anytime I see on
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a TV show where somebody, youknow, something weird going on. You're
going, that's not right, andthen they wake up, like, what
was the whole purpose of that?I mean, a dream means nothing to
me. It's inconsequential. It doesn't. And let's their dream is actually affecting
reality somehow. You just show mewhat went on in somebody's head. I
don't go watch things like Eternal Sunshinein the Spotless Mind where you can fuck
with the perceptions of reality and whatnot, And what does that mean? Did
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I am I losing something by doingthis? That's how you tell that story.
But when it's just wake up,it's all over whatever? All right?
So real quick? Two weeks ago, I texted you, guys.
I just said no context at all. I said R two D two or
grogu y'all both said R two Dtwo. Well this is why I hang
outside y'all talk. I'm gonna grabsomething. What were we talking about?
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He's grabbing rds. I hope he, I hope he's not grabbing one of
us. Whoa Sean is good likethat, He'll just all the same country
and grab you. And it's like, oh, we're in trouble. Oh
ah, oh, what is thistamagotchi? Oh it's an R two D
two tamagotchi. That's cool. Tellthe audience if they don't know what that
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is. I've got the Grogu tamagotayover here. It's back in the nineties,
little Japanese toy. It's like alittle key chain that has a digital
character on it, and you hadto feed it and keep it alive and
play with it and everything. Andso they have. I gave Richard Chris
little R two D two and I'vegot a little grow I would be Todd,
but that's okay. I'll be RichardChris. I got a little grow
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gu okay. And so my challengeis not for next week, but the
week after. You have to keepit alive and happy be and let's see
how our our time I gotchis aredoing not next Saturday, but the Saturday
after. First off, very sweetof you, thank you, And and
here I am the one that willnot play any of the games with you
guys, because I'm like Jesus Christ. I do enough with Star Wars Galaxy
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heroes, and now he gives methis, I gotta keep it alive.
I do kind of kill it.After that, Well it's yours. I
mean, you can kill it ifyou want to. I just I just
want our two. Is he gonnamake a little noises at me? The
print on this back is so fuckingtiny idea. I mean, I need
my my reading glasses. But it'sgot like special characters. Yeah, oh
(06:34):
look, I got Chewy. Igot to put out fo fires. I
think you've got like mystery characters muchYoda, Chewy? I choose on there,
and I'm gonna kill more games here. Do you want to see what
Grog special visitor Special visits or Yoda, Bubba Fat c three Po and Nye
Walk And I guess there's starships inhere too, So that's kind of cool.
(06:57):
Yeah, very cute, Thank you. It'll be fun. Where'd you
get on Amazon? You have asee games? Unlock more games? I
have to admit the other special visitors. Asoka's on there. Yeah, yeah,
that's cool. Speaking of Asoka,I'm sure the main Lorian's in there
somewhere. I think I think wependingover. Okay, So speaking of Asca,
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we we just recently had Star Warscelebration in Europe and trailers even though
before I guess we haven't even talkedabout that, have we? No,
we have not, So what whatsurprises me? There? Weren't that many
trailers that they've released. They've releasedtrailers there that they haven't put out the
years. Part they found way waysto get them them, but we really
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only saw a few. So anythingabout Skeleton Crew. We haven't seen anything
about the Acolyte. Yeah, Soca, I texted you guys as soon as
I saw the trailers. I gotgoosebumps watching it because it really feels like
you Rebels season six. It doesbecause we've we've seen zeb Uh, now,
we've seen Harris being Chopper Ahsoka.All we're missing is Ezra and then
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Freddie Prince Junior character is dead,so we're maybe we'll see him at the
post and at that point, CassFreddie Prince Junior, he did a great
job with the voice. You're goingto do it? Put him in,
Yeah, so because he's gonna havea mask on anyways to do his blind
What I found surprising in all theinterviews, and I don't know if you
paid attention to this. The womanthat's playing Kara, That'shan McGregor's wife and
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that, but they did not mentionedthat that's his wife. Really, so
he left many years and he metthis woman when they think when they're shooting
Fargo together and they've been together nowfor a good six seven years, maybe
five years or something like that.But Gary Elizabeth Winstay, Yeah, they
okay, yeah, there, andshe's a fantastic fucking actor. Yeah,
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but they just kind of slipped thatone in with no and they're both there.
You never saw there are no andI looked. I became almost subsessed.
Are there photos? There are nophotos of them together Star Wars celebration
that I can find. It's almostlike they kept it. H LB one
and Harrah are married. We don'twally talk about it. So it was
it Harra that had the kid orSabine I can't harry. Yeah, so
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we're gonna we're gonna see that kid. And so I wanted to ask about
that because after after that came out, Abby was home that weekend, and
Abby likes the Asoka character, andI was showing the trailer to Chili and
Abby and then on YouTube, youknow how, they'll just suggest clips.
It became that clip from Rebels whenAsca fights Vader. Yeah, I'm like,
(09:37):
hey, this is good. Fourminutes watched this. This is a
great moment. And then I thought, I want to see the last few
episodes of Rebels, and I wentwatch too. Okay, alright, alright,
I went and watched like the lastfive or so like and and it's
great. It fucking holds up.It's beautifully done, even though I don't
remember. So Harra confesses her lovefor um, Why can't I think of
(10:01):
the Freddy Prince. I can't rememberhis name? Can Yeah, Professor's love
when she's a little bit under theinfluence of the probe droid. That's been
a tearorganger. When did they havesex to I don't know because that there's
and then he dies shortly after thatin the show, and I'm like,
okay, they love Did they blinksomewhere and I forgot about it? Maybe
Twilights reproduced differently. Maybe that kissthat's how they get it going. Those
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tendrils. Well, I mean,it was largely a kid show, no
matter. Yeah, kept that offscream. Yeah, it just it was
one of those I thought. Iloved that they had a kid together.
I loved that idea, but Ijust don't recall. And then somebody pointed
out, so at the end ofit, did you watch all the way
through the end, so you sawthe end of it again, So the
that starship, it's windows are blownout and everything, and then the whales
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come and grab it and pull up. How do you go through hyperspace with
no windows? I mean maybe thewhales protect you. And so Thrown is
back, So obviously we're gonna findEzra at some point. So that's gonna
be very I mean, that's thequest whatever what she's doing. And then
they also noticed that announced that Felonigets to direct a film, which will
be the culmination of the fact thatthey actually name checked him in the Mandalorian
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saying whereas at worst Thrown we haven'tseen him and all that kind of stuff
and had his assistant there and everything. Yeah, so if you're listening to
this tomorrow, we're probably giving smallspoilers for the last week scept for Wednesday.
Yeah, it'll be a weekend.But we've had a week. At
this point, we've only had onemore episode left of Mandalorian, episode Sea.
So the question for me is thislast episode of Mandalorian going to cliffhanger?
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Is it going to springboard into asoca? Is it just going to
kind of well? Okay, sospoilers for people I haven't seen it.
We've got the Mandalorians been captured bythe New Empire. What I'm off Gideon
wearing and the whole time that washappening, I was literally screaming, why
is she not using her sword andcutting the door down or something? Yeah,
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but so, yeah, we've gotto get Grogu somehow with Omega all
together so that they can make thecloning of the Emperor at some point.
Yeah, it's gonna be very nice. Well it didn't. Let's dive back
to how um oh shit, Starbuck, what's her character's name? How There
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was a lot of rumbling him amongstthe nerd community that she got the Dark
Savor too easily, and I'm like, Okay, The funny thing was is
I thought when he got captured,she rescued him. I even thought right
that, I'm like, she lovesthat's hers. Now she's saved you she's
the better hero. So the peoplethat threw the big fit, I'm like,
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shut up, what do you thinkshe was going to do? Kill
the Mandalorian who's the star of yourshow and you all love him. It's
not gonna happen. There had tobe a truthful way, and that's a
truthful way. He used the spiritof the law to beat the letter of
the law. And also, storiesdon't always have to be beat for beat
for beat the way you think they'regoing to be. Something people can change.
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Man, I I am so sickof the nerd community. I've been
that way for a long time.I get bored with it. And it's
the same as now, you know, shifting over to the Marvel movies,
there's such a negative sentiment because nowif you read the trade papers, they're
talking the last return since the Avengers, since they have been dipping gradually lower
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and lower. And then you goout in the nerd community, Yeah,
well Zam was failed worse. Sowhat we've got to get away from Number
one, This is not a pissingcontest over a fucking superheroes. If you
like the movie, like it,if you don't. It's not a zero
sum game. If Marvel makes onehundred dollars, that doesn't mean DC loses
one hundred dollars. And even JamesGunn came out said, you've got to
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stop this. When when Marvel hassuccess, we get more success beside.
That's right, and he's trying tosay, listen, I want to build
something. I think you're going tothink of special quit thinking they have to
lose for that to happen. Butthat also comes down to one of my
biggest pet peeves, and I thinkwe have to stop it. I don't
want to see box office totals frommovies anymore. It is so irrelevant to
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what art is and what entertainment istrue because they also have a life that's
beyond the box office. Exactly howmany looking movies that failed in the theaters
that find a life a second lifeand home video or movies Onto Me or
you know, find its second lifewhen it comes back in the theater.
A rocky horror picture show that comesback and stayed in the theaters over and
over and over, the fact thatJaws still continues. They released it every
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summer, which, by the way, did you know they did a three
D version of that? No,And I missed it. It's some guy
that actually has developed all this newtechnology is listening to his interview and Spielberg
worked with him frame to frame it. It was like, I never want
to just do Scared. It's whatI want to see, Jaws three D.
Yeah, And it was like hesaid, obviously there are moments when
the shark comes at the screen whereit's gonna pop a little. But Spielberg,
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he said, what I wanted wasthe depth to make them feel even
more isolated in the ocean. Abbygot to see it. She's like,
oh, yeah, I went andsaw that. It was cool. He
didn't tell you. Shit, didn'ttell me, and I missed it,
and now I didn't hear about that. If it comes back out, we're
gonna go because you know, forall my projectors should I have downstairs,
I don't have the ability with threeD classes. So if it hits the
theaters, I don't. Yeah.You and i've seen The Batman together.
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Have we ever seen other movies?Then you're going to see Jaws. That's
I am throwing it. You canbring Chris if you want. I'm appreciate,
not a fan. JJ and Ihad a debate over that because we
were babysitting at her oldest nephew,but he was eight or nine at the
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time, and uh, she goes, we ought to show him Jaws.
I went, really, you wantto show him Jaws? I go,
I don't have a problem with that, but he might be a little young
for it, right, And thenshe goes, well, we'll just call
my mom and ask her, andshe called him. I was like,
fine, all right, we showedhim Jaws. My parents kept me from
seeing Jaws. They they went tosee it and came back and said it's
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too intense. But I don't knowif you remember they apparently. I know
that they cut some blood from itand it wasn't like a dumbed down version,
but I got to go see itbecause of that. Now, it
did haunt my ass so much thatI am just obsessed with sharks and I've
gone diving with sharks and seeing that, I still want to dive with a
Great white. But I didn't diebecause of it, you know. And
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I'm sorry that that movie formed mejust as much as Star Wars Dead.
I love that fucking moving all right, So what else were we got?
That's only sixteen minutes in and wecannot make this the shortest in between ever.
Wait, so what else from StarWars Soca trailer? Mandalorian, Oh,
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marvel Stuff Secret Invasion? Did yousee that trailer with Stam Fury?
Yeah, Nick Fury? Sorry,you know, having read the comic event,
Oh I'm the Marvel's trailer. Didyou see that as well? Yes,
I did, having read the comicevent that was bigger and grander,
which one? There are many secretinvasions, well the one that Bendis was
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yeah, uh, it's it feelsa little The smaller scale Secret Invasion where
it's just Fury is a little bitunderwhelming, just because I really enjoyed the
big event with all who's a scroll, who's not a scroll? I mean
of the Marvel characters. So Ikind of wanted to see that board and
we're not going to get that kindof grandness anybody. We don't know that
they could build their universe. Wecould have we could find out that a
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Hawkeye has been a scroull this wholetime and we didn't know it, and
then they could. That's the reasonJeremy Renner is not active anymore for a
little while or something like that.What is up with that show? Renovation
Disney I think either poorly planned ordeliberately planned to release that. There's just
a show on Disney class I sawcome up to you. It's like wow,
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But I mean was there after theSnow Actually it shot before. It
was intended to come out around thetime of it, and they delayed it,
and he asked them not to delayit because it's about him giving back
to people. And he went backand said, look, I'm okay,
I'm going to be fine. Please. He's like, this is very important
to me. It's really what it'sabout. It's about helping, and it's
about they they and it's not justlike they renovate a home or something,
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but like they renovate a mobile somethingthat gives to the community. And he
is apparently one of those kind ofpeople that's almost like hear Keanu Reeves where
he'll give his money away that hemakes the movies. Jeremy Renner's apparently a
lot like that too, that reallywants to get back. And he was
the one. I read that inthe Hollywood Reporter or something. Where is
that? What is that what anapp was supposed to do? I don't
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know, no' just supposed to embarrasshim, but he apparently said, please,
don't delay it anymore, so theyput it out and and well,
it's also smart because it jumps onit at that point too and uses what
happened. Yeah, and if hewas part of it, then that makes
sense that I know I've said thisto both of you that I've gotten tired
of the typical superhero film just becauseit feels repetitive. I loved Shazam,
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and I want to watch at tothe second one. Yeah, but I
find myself not giving a shitvat onDVD. And then part of it was
you to your point about box officewhat it didn't do well the first week
people, I didn't want to gosee it anymore, and I had a
mild interest in it. I waslike, I could go see this movie
in the theater, you know,I don't need to rush out the first
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weekend because it's so bad. Itreally did kind of discourage me, Befo,
when you say it does kept mefrom seeing in theaters. Was just
knowing that the DC universe is beingrevamped, and so this is not necessarily
a must see to know what's goingon with the DC universe. Verts of
people talk about that that was thereason. They're like, the universe is
changing, why I don't want tosee this film, I'll watch. I've
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gotten to the point too, andI think COVID has changed me one percent
to this that I just don't wantto sit in the theaters anymore. I
don't want to be around people thatare going to talk. I'm one of
those that hearing somebody munch on popcorn, I munch it, but listening to
somebody else distracts me. I don'tlike it. I'd rather wait that extra
few weeks and watch at my housewhere it's yeah, and so I'm waiting.
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I think Shazam came out last weekwhere you could buy it for twenty
but it's not available for rent fee, so it's got to be within the
next couple of weeks. I lookedat Really going to be on DVD.
We thought about the purchase press,right, Yeah, we actually like true
spend the money on that. I'mnot really sure that's I really all gotten
to that point now. Like Shelleykeeps Direct TV because she likes to watch
tennis and whatnot and gets it onthere, But I just do it for
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movies and when I see it's twentybucks, I'm like, Nope, not
interested. When I see it's fivebucks, I'm like yes, yeah.
But then it was that film wewatched on Peacock that you could watch it
for frem Peacock where you go tothe theaters for it was the film.
I was a lot of them.The last Halloween was that way too.
You did have a glass onion onNetlas and put in theaters for a week.
And I look Aunt Man's on DVDMay sixteen. If they would get
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away from that, and I thinkthat media consumption has changed so much that
maybe they need to consider that thisisn't the number one movie in America.
I don't give a shit that.That's the thing is. It doesn't make
me want to go see it onThis commercial never did anything for me,
because it's only the number one moviein America this week and then next week
somebody else gets to make that climunless you're Titanic for that brief run where
it had where it's dominating box officefor six months, and another iconic movie
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that comes along about once every tenyears. That just by the ways,
everything, Yeah, super Mario Brothers, another one film in America. Great,
next week it won't be and it'sthe same as Avatar. I'll watch
it. I'll watch it when itcomes out, yes, on whatever platform
is going to carry it. Idon't think i'll even like rent it or
anything. But who do you heartalking about Avatar? No one? Who?
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Who do you hear talking about thefirst Avatar? Even I mean no,
I mean Avatar is but made billiondollars, came and went, but
it also made its billion dollars asecond time around. For there is a
community that loves that shit. It'sjust that when I watched it, it
was so derivative of other things likeit was it was dance as the wolves.
And again, did you see thenew one? Have you seen it?
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No, I'm not. I don'teven know the long Watch. I'll
watch it because I want to know. But I watched the honest trailers.
Well, and I've said this beforeabout Cameron. I'm going to describe a
movie and I want you to tellme which one of his movies. It
is. A woman has to setout on an adventure because an evil company
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is doing something at which she mustescape. And in the end, she
said out teaches that lesson is itTerminator Titanic Aliens the Abyss. Every one
of his movies, it's that sameconceit, and it's just like, dude,
you're very talented, but quit makingthe same fucking movie and dressing it
different every time. You know what. I get excited because I get Thanksgiving
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once a year, But if somebodycame in and said this meal, we're
calling this Hallelujah meal, No,it's fucking Thanksgiving dinner. It's the same
goddamn movie every time, and II can't unsee that once I saw it,
and that was not my own revolution, But I listen to a podcast
and someone was like dressing down someonethat called him the best filmmaker in America.
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And they're like, they're like,Okay, he's really talented, but
he makes the same movie over andover and over and over and over.
Yeah, which I did try toget Abby recently to watch The First Terminator
and she's like, that's that lookslike a stupid movie. That first One's
a great fucking movie anyway, agreat movie because it also partially ripped off
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Harlan Ellison. If you look atthe credits for it, it has his
special thanks to does it? Really? So? That was his story He
wrote a story called Demon with aGlass Hand about a man that travels back
in time and being chased by amachine that's trying to kill him. And
I think he like literally has allof humanity's DNA and he's going back in
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time so he can replace humanity becauseit's been destroying in the future. That's
a great idea. Did did hepay Harlan Nelson anything for that? Or
did is Harlan Nelson pissed because hesimply got it? Harlan Ellison's dead?
Is he dead? Oh? Yeah? Okay? How did he react to
it? I guess I did knowhe was dead. Let's see here,
did you hey? I hear you? But it's Hardlan nineteen eighty four The
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Terminator or Harlan Ellison rip off?Let's yeah, I'm just going to end
this article to see what happens.Because it said like somebody he could have
had it for free. Ellison said, if he had asked me whether or
not it's true, it isn't superrelevant because we can't ret It's alternate to
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mention. I'm assuming. Let's seehere, Terminator. Do you think that
if I were to rip off Terminatoror make my own version that camera would
have that same if he just askedhard, I'd give it a form free
No. No, yeah, anyway, I think we're pretty much at the
end of this. Anybody got anythingthat you want to toss in before we
get to the last five minutes thatwe're going to record. Yeah, no,
(24:53):
no, Okay, everyone, havea great weekend. We'll see you
next week. Bye bye, everybody. Er
Hello, it's in between, andI'm gonna do exactly what I tease yesterday
with Friday, I worked for theLovely Company that I went to the front
page of and tried to see whatpop culture was there. Adrian Line the
director of Flashdance. Okay, theyhave released a four K cuts remaster rerelease
of it, and Adrian Line,if I don't know if you've ever read
(00:25):
interviews with him, but he's kindof a creepoid. You know, a
lot of his movie is a littlesleazy and whatnot. But the headline from
our front page is Flashdance director AvienLine. Remember seeing future star Jennifer Bills
for the first time in thinking,fuck, she's beautiful. Filmmaker had plenty
of doubts about the totally absurd dancemovie before it became the biggest hit of
(00:45):
nineteen eighty three and unlikeliest, hisbiggest hit. When's the last time either
one of you saw that movie Flashdanceback when I was a kid. I've
never watched it. Have you knowit? So then let me describe to
you that this movie, this isa woman who is a dancer. Hang
on, we're going to she shewants to be a dancer. She's a
(01:07):
welder, but the club that shedances at the most famous moment of is
she's in a laundry. She sitson a chair and they pull her water
on her, which would, aswe know it you're in laingerie, would
make her almost appear naked, Yeah, because the clothes would cling to her.
Shelley and I I'm like, Okay, this movie is about a stripper
who's a welder. And she's like, she's not a stripper, she's a
dancer, And like, what fuckingnightclub does she work at where she gets
(01:29):
wet and dances around? She isa stripper? Sure enough? At least
Creepoyd Andrian Line at some point said, look, she basically she's a stripper.
Yeah, there was. There wasa high end club somewhere in like
a Detroit where they did this kindof thing where it was we're going to
do tasteful nudity and whatnot, andthat's kind of what they based it on.
You want to so we talk aboutwhere does the ape fit and when
(01:51):
does that an actor want to gowatch the end of that film when she
goes and auditions for the dance Universityor whatever she wants to study it.
Oh my god, is the worstcut to somebody else wearing hair like hers?
It is not her, And youlook at it, it's like they
could not even find the right kindof wig. Well, like an Indiana
Jones or just scene where the guythat's always in the Nazi that's in the
(02:15):
leather, he wasn't available for ascene and so they just put literally his
jacket and a hat on a reallyon a coat rack and put it in
a car. Nice. Yeah,I didn't know that. Look, that's
part of a movie. And Isay, this makes my mom so mad,
and I'm like, movies are lies. It is nothing but a succession
of I'm lying to you what I'mdoing. Because you could be shooting this
(02:37):
in Idaho, and then I cutto a the same moment, but they're
shooting it in California. It's alie to tell you a story, right.
I just I saw this and Ithought he's one of those directors that
I've never understood how he got allthe success he did. It's just he
is just such a nasty, nastyman. How would you feel if you're
Jennifer Bill waking up today and it'slike, fuck, she's beautiful. Yeah,
(03:01):
who is this director? What elsedid he do? Oh? All
kinds of shitty films like that momenthere, I'll hang, I got it.
Adrian is Adrian Lynn. Yeah,it's actually Lyne Line all right here.
(03:21):
Well, well y'all are looking thatup. Oh he looks familiar.
I'm gonna grab something real quick.Yeah, yeah, I know this is
yeah. Yeah. So his otherfilms were Jacob's Ladder, Flashdance, Fatal
Attraction, which you know, failAttractions had some successful films that, yes
he has, but you know,Flashdance is the one that kind of started
his whole thing. And he's stilldirecting. He's still in fact, he
(03:43):
made that ben Afflack and and adi armist film that got just panned recently
called deep Water. I never watchedit, but you know it just he
it always did in a half weeks. Yeah, which, well, we
go back and watch that movie.That maybe exploitative. Maybe he always has
that kind of element to his films. Jacob Sladder wasn't like that though.
(04:04):
You're right I didn't like Jacob Slaughder. I didn't either. I just pissed
off by the ending. I'd bespoilers for a thirty year old movie.
Whenever the answered everything was it wasall a dream. It kind of that
just feels like an out to me. It does really jeep out. You
better earn that somehow. That makesit unique. Like anytime I see on
(04:26):
a TV show where somebody, youknow, something weird going on. You're
going, that's not right, andthen they wake up, like, what
was the whole purpose of that?I mean, a dream means nothing to
me. It's inconsequential. It doesn't. And let's their dream is actually affecting
reality somehow. You just show mewhat went on in somebody's head. I
don't go watch things like Eternal Sunshinein the Spotless Mind where you can fuck
with the perceptions of reality and whatnot, And what does that mean? Did
(04:49):
I am I losing something by doingthis? That's how you tell that story.
But when it's just wake up,it's all over whatever? All right?
So real quick? Two weeks ago, I texted you, guys.
I just said no context at all. I said R two D two or
grogu y'all both said R two Dtwo. Well this is why I hang
outside y'all talk. I'm gonna grabsomething. What were we talking about?
(05:10):
He's grabbing rds. I hope he, I hope he's not grabbing one of
us. Whoa Sean is good likethat, He'll just all the same country
and grab you. And it's like, oh, we're in trouble. Oh
ah, oh, what is thistamagotchi? Oh it's an R two D
two tamagotchi. That's cool. Tellthe audience if they don't know what that
(05:30):
is. I've got the Grogu tamagotayover here. It's back in the nineties,
little Japanese toy. It's like alittle key chain that has a digital
character on it, and you hadto feed it and keep it alive and
play with it and everything. Andso they have. I gave Richard Chris
little R two D two and I'vegot a little grow I would be Todd,
but that's okay. I'll be RichardChris. I got a little grow
(05:51):
gu okay. And so my challengeis not for next week, but the
week after. You have to keepit alive and happy be and let's see
how our our time I gotchis aredoing not next Saturday, but the Saturday
after. First off, very sweetof you, thank you, And and
here I am the one that willnot play any of the games with you
guys, because I'm like Jesus Christ. I do enough with Star Wars Galaxy
(06:14):
heroes, and now he gives methis, I gotta keep it alive.
I do kind of kill it.After that, Well it's yours. I
mean, you can kill it ifyou want to. I just I just
want our two. Is he gonnamake a little noises at me? The
print on this back is so fuckingtiny idea. I mean, I need
my my reading glasses. But it'sgot like special characters. Yeah, oh
(06:34):
look, I got Chewy. Igot to put out fo fires. I
think you've got like mystery characters muchYoda, Chewy? I choose on there,
and I'm gonna kill more games here. Do you want to see what
Grog special visitor Special visits or Yoda, Bubba Fat c three Po and Nye
Walk And I guess there's starships inhere too, So that's kind of cool.
(06:57):
Yeah, very cute, Thank you. It'll be fun. Where'd you
get on Amazon? You have asee games? Unlock more games? I
have to admit the other special visitors. Asoka's on there. Yeah, yeah,
that's cool. Speaking of Asoka,I'm sure the main Lorian's in there
somewhere. I think I think wependingover. Okay, So speaking of Asca,
(07:19):
we we just recently had Star Warscelebration in Europe and trailers even though
before I guess we haven't even talkedabout that, have we? No,
we have not, So what whatsurprises me? There? Weren't that many
trailers that they've released. They've releasedtrailers there that they haven't put out the
years. Part they found way waysto get them them, but we really
(07:40):
only saw a few. So anythingabout Skeleton Crew. We haven't seen anything
about the Acolyte. Yeah, Soca, I texted you guys as soon as
I saw the trailers. I gotgoosebumps watching it because it really feels like
you Rebels season six. It doesbecause we've we've seen zeb Uh, now,
we've seen Harris being Chopper Ahsoka.All we're missing is Ezra and then
(08:09):
Freddie Prince Junior character is dead,so we're maybe we'll see him at the
post and at that point, CassFreddie Prince Junior, he did a great
job with the voice. You're goingto do it? Put him in,
Yeah, so because he's gonna havea mask on anyways to do his blind
What I found surprising in all theinterviews, and I don't know if you
paid attention to this. The womanthat's playing Kara, That'shan McGregor's wife and
(08:33):
that, but they did not mentionedthat that's his wife. Really, so
he left many years and he metthis woman when they think when they're shooting
Fargo together and they've been together nowfor a good six seven years, maybe
five years or something like that.But Gary Elizabeth Winstay, Yeah, they
okay, yeah, there, andshe's a fantastic fucking actor. Yeah,
(08:54):
but they just kind of slipped thatone in with no and they're both there.
You never saw there are no andI looked. I became almost subsessed.
Are there photos? There are nophotos of them together Star Wars celebration
that I can find. It's almostlike they kept it. H LB one
and Harrah are married. We don'twally talk about it. So it was
it Harra that had the kid orSabine I can't harry. Yeah, so
(09:16):
we're gonna we're gonna see that kid. And so I wanted to ask about
that because after after that came out, Abby was home that weekend, and
Abby likes the Asoka character, andI was showing the trailer to Chili and
Abby and then on YouTube, youknow how, they'll just suggest clips.
It became that clip from Rebels whenAsca fights Vader. Yeah, I'm like,
(09:37):
hey, this is good. Fourminutes watched this. This is a
great moment. And then I thought, I want to see the last few
episodes of Rebels, and I wentwatch too. Okay, alright, alright,
I went and watched like the lastfive or so like and and it's
great. It fucking holds up.It's beautifully done, even though I don't
remember. So Harra confesses her lovefor um, Why can't I think of
(10:01):
the Freddy Prince. I can't rememberhis name? Can Yeah, Professor's love
when she's a little bit under theinfluence of the probe droid. That's been
a tearorganger. When did they havesex to I don't know because that there's
and then he dies shortly after thatin the show, and I'm like,
okay, they love Did they blinksomewhere and I forgot about it? Maybe
Twilights reproduced differently. Maybe that kissthat's how they get it going. Those
(10:24):
tendrils. Well, I mean,it was largely a kid show, no
matter. Yeah, kept that offscream. Yeah, it just it was
one of those I thought. Iloved that they had a kid together.
I loved that idea, but Ijust don't recall. And then somebody pointed
out, so at the end ofit, did you watch all the way
through the end, so you sawthe end of it again, So the
that starship, it's windows are blownout and everything, and then the whales
(10:46):
come and grab it and pull up. How do you go through hyperspace with
no windows? I mean maybe thewhales protect you. And so Thrown is
back, So obviously we're gonna findEzra at some point. So that's gonna
be very I mean, that's thequest whatever what she's doing. And then
they also noticed that announced that Felonigets to direct a film, which will
be the culmination of the fact thatthey actually name checked him in the Mandalorian
(11:09):
saying whereas at worst Thrown we haven'tseen him and all that kind of stuff
and had his assistant there and everything. Yeah, so if you're listening to
this tomorrow, we're probably giving smallspoilers for the last week scept for Wednesday.
Yeah, it'll be a weekend.But we've had a week. At
this point, we've only had onemore episode left of Mandalorian, episode Sea.
So the question for me is thislast episode of Mandalorian going to cliffhanger?
(11:33):
Is it going to springboard into asoca? Is it just going to
kind of well? Okay, sospoilers for people I haven't seen it.
We've got the Mandalorians been captured bythe New Empire. What I'm off Gideon
wearing and the whole time that washappening, I was literally screaming, why
is she not using her sword andcutting the door down or something? Yeah,
(11:54):
but so, yeah, we've gotto get Grogu somehow with Omega all
together so that they can make thecloning of the Emperor at some point.
Yeah, it's gonna be very nice. Well it didn't. Let's dive back
to how um oh shit, Starbuck, what's her character's name? How There
(12:16):
was a lot of rumbling him amongstthe nerd community that she got the Dark
Savor too easily, and I'm like, Okay, The funny thing was is
I thought when he got captured,she rescued him. I even thought right
that, I'm like, she lovesthat's hers. Now she's saved you she's
the better hero. So the peoplethat threw the big fit, I'm like,
(12:37):
shut up, what do you thinkshe was going to do? Kill
the Mandalorian who's the star of yourshow and you all love him. It's
not gonna happen. There had tobe a truthful way, and that's a
truthful way. He used the spiritof the law to beat the letter of
the law. And also, storiesdon't always have to be beat for beat
for beat the way you think they'regoing to be. Something people can change.
(12:58):
Man, I I am so sickof the nerd community. I've been
that way for a long time.I get bored with it. And it's
the same as now, you know, shifting over to the Marvel movies,
there's such a negative sentiment because nowif you read the trade papers, they're
talking the last return since the Avengers, since they have been dipping gradually lower
(13:18):
and lower. And then you goout in the nerd community, Yeah,
well Zam was failed worse. Sowhat we've got to get away from Number
one, This is not a pissingcontest over a fucking superheroes. If you
like the movie, like it,if you don't. It's not a zero
sum game. If Marvel makes onehundred dollars, that doesn't mean DC loses
one hundred dollars. And even JamesGunn came out said, you've got to
(13:41):
stop this. When when Marvel hassuccess, we get more success beside.
That's right, and he's trying tosay, listen, I want to build
something. I think you're going tothink of special quit thinking they have to
lose for that to happen. Butthat also comes down to one of my
biggest pet peeves, and I thinkwe have to stop it. I don't
want to see box office totals frommovies anymore. It is so irrelevant to
(14:03):
what art is and what entertainment istrue because they also have a life that's
beyond the box office. Exactly howmany looking movies that failed in the theaters
that find a life a second lifeand home video or movies Onto Me or
you know, find its second lifewhen it comes back in the theater.
A rocky horror picture show that comesback and stayed in the theaters over and
over and over, the fact thatJaws still continues. They released it every
(14:26):
summer, which, by the way, did you know they did a three
D version of that? No,And I missed it. It's some guy
that actually has developed all this newtechnology is listening to his interview and Spielberg
worked with him frame to frame it. It was like, I never want
to just do Scared. It's whatI want to see, Jaws three D.
Yeah, And it was like hesaid, obviously there are moments when
the shark comes at the screen whereit's gonna pop a little. But Spielberg,
(14:48):
he said, what I wanted wasthe depth to make them feel even
more isolated in the ocean. Abbygot to see it. She's like,
oh, yeah, I went andsaw that. It was cool. He
didn't tell you. Shit, didn'ttell me, and I missed it,
and now I didn't hear about that. If it comes back out, we're
gonna go because you know, forall my projectors should I have downstairs,
I don't have the ability with threeD classes. So if it hits the
theaters, I don't. Yeah.You and i've seen The Batman together.
(15:13):
Have we ever seen other movies?Then you're going to see Jaws. That's
I am throwing it. You canbring Chris if you want. I'm appreciate,
not a fan. JJ and Ihad a debate over that because we
were babysitting at her oldest nephew,but he was eight or nine at the
(15:33):
time, and uh, she goes, we ought to show him Jaws.
I went, really, you wantto show him Jaws? I go,
I don't have a problem with that, but he might be a little young
for it, right, And thenshe goes, well, we'll just call
my mom and ask her, andshe called him. I was like,
fine, all right, we showedhim Jaws. My parents kept me from
seeing Jaws. They they went tosee it and came back and said it's
(15:58):
too intense. But I don't knowif you remember they apparently. I know
that they cut some blood from itand it wasn't like a dumbed down version,
but I got to go see itbecause of that. Now, it
did haunt my ass so much thatI am just obsessed with sharks and I've
gone diving with sharks and seeing that, I still want to dive with a
Great white. But I didn't diebecause of it, you know. And
(16:19):
I'm sorry that that movie formed mejust as much as Star Wars Dead.
I love that fucking moving all right, So what else were we got?
That's only sixteen minutes in and wecannot make this the shortest in between ever.
Wait, so what else from StarWars Soca trailer? Mandalorian, Oh,
(16:41):
marvel Stuff Secret Invasion? Did yousee that trailer with Stam Fury?
Yeah, Nick Fury? Sorry,you know, having read the comic event,
Oh I'm the Marvel's trailer. Didyou see that as well? Yes,
I did, having read the comicevent that was bigger and grander,
which one? There are many secretinvasions, well the one that Bendis was
(17:03):
yeah, uh, it's it feelsa little The smaller scale Secret Invasion where
it's just Fury is a little bitunderwhelming, just because I really enjoyed the
big event with all who's a scroll, who's not a scroll? I mean
of the Marvel characters. So Ikind of wanted to see that board and
we're not going to get that kindof grandness anybody. We don't know that
they could build their universe. Wecould have we could find out that a
(17:26):
Hawkeye has been a scroull this wholetime and we didn't know it, and
then they could. That's the reasonJeremy Renner is not active anymore for a
little while or something like that.What is up with that show? Renovation
Disney I think either poorly planned ordeliberately planned to release that. There's just
a show on Disney class I sawcome up to you. It's like wow,
(17:48):
But I mean was there after theSnow Actually it shot before. It
was intended to come out around thetime of it, and they delayed it,
and he asked them not to delayit because it's about him giving back
to people. And he went backand said, look, I'm okay,
I'm going to be fine. Please. He's like, this is very important
to me. It's really what it'sabout. It's about helping, and it's
about they they and it's not justlike they renovate a home or something,
(18:11):
but like they renovate a mobile somethingthat gives to the community. And he
is apparently one of those kind ofpeople that's almost like hear Keanu Reeves where
he'll give his money away that hemakes the movies. Jeremy Renner's apparently a
lot like that too, that reallywants to get back. And he was
the one. I read that inthe Hollywood Reporter or something. Where is
that? What is that what anapp was supposed to do? I don't
(18:32):
know, no' just supposed to embarrasshim, but he apparently said, please,
don't delay it anymore, so theyput it out and and well,
it's also smart because it jumps onit at that point too and uses what
happened. Yeah, and if hewas part of it, then that makes
sense that I know I've said thisto both of you that I've gotten tired
of the typical superhero film just becauseit feels repetitive. I loved Shazam,
(18:57):
and I want to watch at tothe second one. Yeah, but I
find myself not giving a shitvat onDVD. And then part of it was
you to your point about box officewhat it didn't do well the first week
people, I didn't want to gosee it anymore, and I had a
mild interest in it. I waslike, I could go see this movie
in the theater, you know,I don't need to rush out the first
(19:18):
weekend because it's so bad. Itreally did kind of discourage me, Befo,
when you say it does kept mefrom seeing in theaters. Was just
knowing that the DC universe is beingrevamped, and so this is not necessarily
a must see to know what's goingon with the DC universe. Verts of
people talk about that that was thereason. They're like, the universe is
changing, why I don't want tosee this film, I'll watch. I've
(19:40):
gotten to the point too, andI think COVID has changed me one percent
to this that I just don't wantto sit in the theaters anymore. I
don't want to be around people thatare going to talk. I'm one of
those that hearing somebody munch on popcorn, I munch it, but listening to
somebody else distracts me. I don'tlike it. I'd rather wait that extra
few weeks and watch at my housewhere it's yeah, and so I'm waiting.
(20:02):
I think Shazam came out last weekwhere you could buy it for twenty
but it's not available for rent fee, so it's got to be within the
next couple of weeks. I lookedat Really going to be on DVD.
We thought about the purchase press,right, Yeah, we actually like true
spend the money on that. I'mnot really sure that's I really all gotten
to that point now. Like Shelleykeeps Direct TV because she likes to watch
tennis and whatnot and gets it onthere, But I just do it for
(20:22):
movies and when I see it's twentybucks, I'm like, Nope, not
interested. When I see it's fivebucks, I'm like yes, yeah.
But then it was that film wewatched on Peacock that you could watch it
for frem Peacock where you go tothe theaters for it was the film.
I was a lot of them.The last Halloween was that way too.
You did have a glass onion onNetlas and put in theaters for a week.
And I look Aunt Man's on DVDMay sixteen. If they would get
(20:45):
away from that, and I thinkthat media consumption has changed so much that
maybe they need to consider that thisisn't the number one movie in America.
I don't give a shit that.That's the thing is. It doesn't make
me want to go see it onThis commercial never did anything for me,
because it's only the number one moviein America this week and then next week
somebody else gets to make that climunless you're Titanic for that brief run where
it had where it's dominating box officefor six months, and another iconic movie
(21:11):
that comes along about once every tenyears. That just by the ways,
everything, Yeah, super Mario Brothers, another one film in America. Great,
next week it won't be and it'sthe same as Avatar. I'll watch
it. I'll watch it when itcomes out, yes, on whatever platform
is going to carry it. Idon't think i'll even like rent it or
anything. But who do you heartalking about Avatar? No one? Who?
(21:33):
Who do you hear talking about thefirst Avatar? Even I mean no,
I mean Avatar is but made billiondollars, came and went, but
it also made its billion dollars asecond time around. For there is a
community that loves that shit. It'sjust that when I watched it, it
was so derivative of other things likeit was it was dance as the wolves.
And again, did you see thenew one? Have you seen it?
(21:56):
No, I'm not. I don'teven know the long Watch. I'll
watch it because I want to know. But I watched the honest trailers.
Well, and I've said this beforeabout Cameron. I'm going to describe a
movie and I want you to tellme which one of his movies. It
is. A woman has to setout on an adventure because an evil company
(22:18):
is doing something at which she mustescape. And in the end, she
said out teaches that lesson is itTerminator Titanic Aliens the Abyss. Every one
of his movies, it's that sameconceit, and it's just like, dude,
you're very talented, but quit makingthe same fucking movie and dressing it
different every time. You know what. I get excited because I get Thanksgiving
(22:42):
once a year, But if somebodycame in and said this meal, we're
calling this Hallelujah meal, No,it's fucking Thanksgiving dinner. It's the same
goddamn movie every time, and II can't unsee that once I saw it,
and that was not my own revolution, But I listen to a podcast
and someone was like dressing down someonethat called him the best filmmaker in America.
(23:04):
And they're like, they're like,Okay, he's really talented, but
he makes the same movie over andover and over and over and over.
Yeah, which I did try toget Abby recently to watch The First Terminator
and she's like, that's that lookslike a stupid movie. That first One's
a great fucking movie anyway, agreat movie because it also partially ripped off
(23:25):
Harlan Ellison. If you look atthe credits for it, it has his
special thanks to does it? Really? So? That was his story He
wrote a story called Demon with aGlass Hand about a man that travels back
in time and being chased by amachine that's trying to kill him. And
I think he like literally has allof humanity's DNA and he's going back in
(23:47):
time so he can replace humanity becauseit's been destroying in the future. That's
a great idea. Did did hepay Harlan Nelson anything for that? Or
did is Harlan Nelson pissed because hesimply got it? Harlan Ellison's dead?
Is he dead? Oh? Yeah? Okay? How did he react to
it? I guess I did knowhe was dead. Let's see here,
did you hey? I hear you? But it's Hardlan nineteen eighty four The
(24:11):
Terminator or Harlan Ellison rip off?Let's yeah, I'm just going to end
this article to see what happens.Because it said like somebody he could have
had it for free. Ellison said, if he had asked me whether or
not it's true, it isn't superrelevant because we can't ret It's alternate to
(24:32):
mention. I'm assuming. Let's seehere, Terminator. Do you think that
if I were to rip off Terminatoror make my own version that camera would
have that same if he just askedhard, I'd give it a form free
No. No, yeah, anyway, I think we're pretty much at the
end of this. Anybody got anythingthat you want to toss in before we
get to the last five minutes thatwe're going to record. Yeah, no,
(24:53):
no, Okay, everyone, havea great weekend. We'll see you
next week. Bye bye, everybody. Er
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