May 8, 2024 • 17 mins
Sean and Todd were lucky enough to have gotten passes to an early screening of "Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes" and deliver an early, spoiler free review of the film and the experience of attending sneak previews, with people that find a reason to complain when they've received passes to see a new release for free.
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What's a wonderful day? Are wethankful for the words of Caesar We Brandon?
Oh hey say he's words, He'snot. What a wonderful day?
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And what a wonderful day it is, Todd. I am here with Sean,
who's sitting in the heart of Dallas. We're doing this kind of old
school where we aren't face to face. We haven't done this in a while,
but hi from sounds a little different. Yeah, Hello, how's it
going up there? You know,trying to stay inside out of the heat,
no ship. One of those kindof days already in Texas. But
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the real news of why we're hereis what Seawan and I got together to
do last night, and that wasuse we saw a kingdom of the planet
of the Ages. We saw asneak of Kingdom, one of those wonderful
things. When you sign up forenough of these, they come across and
we were fortunate enough to be ableto snatch those up. And yeah,
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wait in line with a lot ofpeople who love to bitch and moan that
I'm not going to complain that theycomplained that they get to see a free
movie. Yes, before Sean gotthere, it was already the I'm not
going to get in. I'm notgoing to get into. The lady from
AMC completely walked up and said,we're showing it at two theaters, about
three hundred and fifty seats in each. You're going to get in, And
still they complained. And then atthe very end, one lady did you
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hear the one that was really likeyelling out, I'm too old to be
standing in this line? Yes,yes she could. I mean, if
I don't have my QR code,I've been I've got my QR code.
I've been standing here. I betterget in there. You're going to get
in there. You're like at thealmost front of the line. And even
with that that, the person said, if you don't have a QR code,
come talk to talk to me.Yes, are gonna let you in.
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They're gonna find a way to letyou in. The long story short,
going to these previews is often ajourney in and of itself. Simply
you're seeing a lot of people gettingsomething for three free, acting like a
bunch of people getting something. Yes, so we go anyway, we go
into the theater, just to givethe complete what what. There was also
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someone in line that I joked withSean and I threw it down with them
because they have one of the loudestlaughs I've ever It was just grating,
and I said, please, don'tlet that person sit next to us.
I go out to get my refreshmentsand what does Shaun text me? But
do you remember? Yes? AndI was like, He's like, oh,
yeah, sure enough. Yes.Good thing was they were quiet in
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the movie. I appreciate it evenyou know her, I think that was
her boyfriend had apparently signed the issuesand constantly made noises through the movie.
I don't think that was the Ape. So let's get to the movie the
movie itself. Let's use Wikipedia's description. Three hundred years after the events of
War for the Plant of the Apes, Ape civilizations have emerged from the oasis
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to which Caesar led his fellow Apes, while humans have regressed into a feral,
primitive state. When the Ape king, Proximous Caesar, armed with weapons
forged from human lost human technologies,perverts Caesar's teachings to enslave other clans,
the chimpanzee hunter Noah embarks on aharrowing journey alongside a human woman to determine
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the future for Apes and humans alike. So that's it. It's kind of
a hero's journey. I don't knowthat we've had really an ape film thing.
I'm letting my mind see a hero'sjourney, just a hero's journey,
and I'm trying to think if whendenying the call would have been you know,
I can just think Caesar not reallydenying the call, but well no,
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no, yeah, whenever he's cat, when Caesar is put in the
ape enclosure and he then stops wantingto see, well yeah, yeah,
that that could that could be alittle bit. It felt unique. It
felt unique in this way to methat it didn't feel necessarily like, you
know, we didn't have an immediatehuman ape separation because like they say,
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this is in the future, thingsof future. Yeah, you know,
yeah, Caesar's teachings have gotten there, I will say, And I'm gonna
I'm gonna spoil with how I feltlast night, and it's changed a little,
so much so that I've argued abouta ticket to go tomorrow. Uh
huh are you going to stay awakeduring this one? I admit to it.
So it was just seven o'clock showing. Yeah, And the truth of
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it was there were two factors.Number one, My poor sweet wife is
sick. I have gigs this weekend. I can't sleep in the bed.
I've been sleeping on the couch.I could not sleep. I was already
tired, and I made the dumbdecision to have a double red wine.
And about halfway through, I gotmyself a lovely little power nap. You
got your little bit of fantas ofPhantom of the Menace power nap in Oh
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God, a Fantom this power andapt. The difference is Phantom Menace.
You don't need the red wine.You just watched the movie, But I
did kind of in the middle stretch, and it was after the journey begins
that I just kind of and thenext thing I knew I was in a
place I was like, well,yeah, I missed that. I'm gonna
have to see it again. Myfeelings last night were kind of uh,
unmoved by it. Me on reflection, I'm enjoying it more. Well me
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too. So this is not aspoiler because it's in this description that you
just read. But it's really alot about how time and from a distance
from a meaning can change that meaningdepending on who is using exactly and most
importantly, I mean the most directcorrelation I can think of it right now,
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is evangelicals who support Trump. Youknow that he has no basis in
Christianity anywhere. He doesn't follow anyof the teaching of Christ that their churches
out there saying that he's the nextcoming of Jesus, right, And I
think I think that's a pretty it'snot even seeing on the nose. I
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mean, it's it's a truthful.I think it's the intent. I think
you're looking at that the Christianity,how many thousands of years evolved from it
that we look at it and peoplenow use it to distort it to their
own views. And I think that, yeah, there's like prosperity churches and
stuff like that, where that's notwhat Jesus. Jesus wasn't about making money.
No, no, he wasn't notto get into a church stuff.
Damn you about talking apes. ButI think that's exactly right. And I
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think that maybe last night my powernap beside, uh huh. I think
that's where initially my thought was.I don't know, but the more I
thought about it. On the wayit was literally drive home. I texted
the girls when I left and theywere like, how was I wasn't.
By the time I got home,I said, well, hang on,
I think I think, because itreally adhere to what the original did with
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so many social things, that maybethis might be one of the stronger ones.
And I said, so, that'swhy I already took one of my
Cinemark tokens and bought myself a ticketto go see it again. So,
and I don't want to get intospoiler stuff, but I remember last night
we were talking about certain characters andsurprise that they could do what they did,
and then I started thinking about it. Now they've done that in the
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series as well, if you thinkabout it, and especially in the second
movie. Yeah, and you andbeneath. Yeah, And I think that
if we get into also comparing itto the originals, let's talk production design.
I think that it is oh well, yeah, I mean there was
a scene that feels like it camestraight out of the first movie where all
the humans being captured in the field, and then they've even got rope nuts
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and everything. Yeah. Yeah,you've seen that in the preview. I
think some of the things where welook at a dystopian Earth civilization, I
don't want to say any of itbecause some of those were the lovely little
nuggets that I really enjoyed. Butyou're seeing vegetation and rust and whatever takeover
things and and then eventually you kindof get a glimpse of what they used
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to be. Yeah, I thinksome of that is really great that I
think that. That's actually where Istarted going back and going, Okay,
hang on, what expectation did youwalk in with and what were you hoping
this was going to be? Becauseas my brain went back to it,
that was the first thing. Wasthe production design. I think the production
design is outstanding. Oh and thevisual effects. I mean that's the next
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thing. You got to get thecharacter, the way they looked, Oh
you're gonna hear my dog barking becausean airplane is flying over. I mean,
just the visual effects on the charactersthemselves, the way the light goes
through skin, the hair, theskin itself. I mean, it was
the hands whenever there's a scene whereNoah covered the female character's hands and his
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hands were massively bigger than her,and I was wondering, did they do
that? Did he cover her handsin real life with his hands and they
made him bigger or did they havelike an effect hand that then they went
over because that just showed the sizedifference between the humans and the apes,
right, I thought that much likethat, there were times, you know,
not not the size difference, butthe environmental special effects. Because there's
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a moment when at the pretty muchat the head of the film, when
we first meet the young human womanand there's kind of a fish smokehouse,
and I thought some of the lightingwithin that, because you knew a lot
of that, they may have hungsome of the fish there that she's kind
of Oh yeah, there's some there'spractical stuff, but the lighting much of
that had to be digitally done tomake it work across all facets of it.
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And this is either where she's coweringin a shadow or I think that's
Noah in that moment, you know, yeah, no as the fish is
moving and he's he's not real andthe lighting and the consistency that shot,
or he's yeah, where he's inbetween the light, he's in between the
fire and and the camera. Andyeah, I thought that that moment alone,
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I thought, damn the I thinkthat's whet A workshop that did all
that, and their work alone needsto be applauded just for that well.
If, by the way, ifyou hear any jingling, that's my dog.
Oh that's okay. We heard alittle bitty bark. Not a big
deal. You know, we don'twant to keep this too long. This
is directed by Wes Ball, whodid the Maze Runner film films, and
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I told Sean last night i'd heardBarry Jenkins, the award winning director of
Moonlight, apparently went to school withwest Ball and had said really good things
about how strong of a director hewas, and how the Maze Runner films
were not indicative of his strength.You could tell the studio probably kept a
thumb on him because he was relativelynew. I think that's another thing that's
kind of resonating with me, isthis There is a director's presence in this
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one. You know, you can'tsay that and a lot of the original
films because the studios were controlling cuttingbudgets, et cetera. But this one,
you could tell this is a storytellerwho wanted to tell a story.
It's a little long. I thinkit probably two and a half hours.
Yeah, I think it get turnedabout fifteen minutes and been okay. But
then again, I think some ofwhat works so well is how it can
be an action film and then veryquiet. Yeah, they they they do
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evoke a lot of Caesar with Noah, the way he talks very quietly.
Well, I even think the lookof him now, I know, you
know, obviously they're not saying he'sa descendant of Caesar or anything, but
yeah, he's kind of got thatpatch where it's a little bear patch,
which kind of matches the scar thatCaesar used to have. And being a
chimp, it's it's obvious. It'seasy to look and say he looked like
but there was there were I thinkthere were intentional similarities. Yeah, not
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so much as on the bad guyside. I swear they made one of
the chimps look like Coba. Yeah, I thought the exact same thing.
Yeah, I no, go ahead, no, if you had something,
because again I don't want to.I'm just going to talk about We're probably
a little over ten minutes now.I'm just gonna talk about the writer,
Josh Friedman. I was looking athis filmography as far as film writing.
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He wrote Or the Worlds for StevenSpielberg, for Black Dahlia, for Brian
de Palmer. He wrote this,He's writing at least of right now.
Who knows stuff always changes, theFantastic four movie. He's writing Avatar four
and an untitled Star Trek film.But he did stories for Chain Reaction,
Terminator, Dark Fate, Avatar,The Way of Water, and Avatar three.
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So very nice. Take that inmine with When you see this,
you know he's written some okay stuff, He's written some stuff that you might
find mediocre, He's written some goodstuff. And then he did some TV
stuff like Terminator, the Sarah ConnorChronicles, Lock and Key, The Finder,
More Than Crossbones, Yeah, snowPiercer, and Foundation. I don't
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know if you watch Foundation on AppleTV, but that's excellent. I wanted
to haven't gotten there. I thinkthat it definitely feels like an intentional step
away from the previous films, byand large, And I read something today
with Westbaul saying that he intentionally wantedto do that because he didn't want to
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get into that fandom, that toxicfandom behavior where it's like, well,
that's not where I saw this going. He's like, let's just avoid it,
let's use it as that, let'sget a couple hundred years away.
Yes, we're not going to bedealing with how humans really react with apes
anymore, because you know, they'vebeen devolved and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, So I thinkit's more about the It's more about
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the ape society and how they've evolvedin the last couple hundred years. And
the weird thing is that I thinkthat it going back to what you said
before, is has a direct correlationto our use of behavior. Has humanity
really evolved much? We have thosefoundations and we continue to use them against
each other instead of to help eachother. And what and what this one
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does that the original movies didn't dowas it introduces different factions to the apes,
you know, and the first moviethere was just one city, so
we only knew what one place.The second movie it was that same city,
but we got the mutes. Andthe third one we weren't really dealing
with the apes anymore because we wentback and passed. The fourth one,
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we weren't. We were dealing withthe apes coming together finally. And then
the fifth one it was just oneplace again. And this one actually covers
two factions and how they are differentand how they you know, threw apart
and stuff like that. I'm curiousto see if where they'll take this,
if it does well enough to warranta sequel, I would think that Disney
they said they want to do itanother trilogy. Yeah, I wouldn't think
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Disney was going to do this.They may not do it with Wes Ball,
but yeah, it does. Itdoes have a moment at the end
where you go, Okay, they'retrying to tell itself to a sequel.
Yeah. Yeah, so there's there'sno there's no post credit scene. No,
don't worry about that. Thank God. If I can be a sole
entity that exercises Hollywood the post creditscene, I will work my ass off.
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Come on half the time. Youknow, they're doing it to make
people stay through the credits, sothat you know all these people that worked
on and you get to look attheir name up there from it. They
got paychecks, they get to keepworking. I appreciate them, and you
know, I apply them. Ijust I'm so tired of that. That's
a discussion for another time. Ithink overall that we're both saying a day
afterwards, we like it. Idon't know where it fits yet, but
that I can also say that warfor the plan of the Apes, after
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we saw that we saw that whenthey showed all three of them, all
three together. Yeah, And Ithink when it finally showed, it was
like almost eleven o'clock at night,and so we were both like, oh,
yeah, so I have a feelingthat it's going to play like that
where I really like that film.Now, when I saw it the first
time, I was just like,oh God, I'm just beaten down by
watching three movies back to back toback. I don't know where this one
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fits yet. I'm glad to seethat we get a good story that when
the three of us sit to gowndown together, will be able to talk
about. Yeah, which to thatpoint, we will wrap this up by
saying we actually are in production onRise at the play of the apes,
so we are, We're getting there. We will release it. I had
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hoped that we could release it rightaround the time of this film, but
we're doing this for that very reason. We wanted to come out and say,
hey, we're still here, we'reworking on this. It's just been
a little bit of chaos between Richardand his workouts for Comic Book Day.
I've had a lot of things happenon all travel. Yeah, and Sean's
got puppies that have issues, andso we've all been struggling just to get
things to work out. With thatsaid, we are working. It will
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happen. It will happen. Iwould venture guests within the next couple of
months. Yeah, I think that'sit, Sean. So you're giving it
a thumbs up? Yeah, Ienjoyed it. Okay, me too.
Everyone get out and see it,Kingdom of Plenty of the Apes. It
opens in kind of a limited releaselate tomorrow, full release on Friday.
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I'm sure most of you by nowhave your tickets. Go enjoy it.
It's a good movie. I thinkthat's it, Sean. You got anything
else, that's it? All right? Well, your sweet puppy over your
shoulder is waiting for some love.We'll send Sean off to love the puppy.
Everyone and have a great day.Bye bye everybody. Ye m
What's a wonderful day? Are wethankful for the words of Caesar We Brandon?
Oh hey say he's words, He'snot. What a wonderful day?
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And what a wonderful day it is, Todd. I am here with Sean,
who's sitting in the heart of Dallas. We're doing this kind of old
school where we aren't face to face. We haven't done this in a while,
but hi from sounds a little different. Yeah, Hello, how's it
going up there? You know,trying to stay inside out of the heat,
no ship. One of those kindof days already in Texas. But
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the real news of why we're hereis what Seawan and I got together to
do last night, and that wasuse we saw a kingdom of the planet
of the Ages. We saw asneak of Kingdom, one of those wonderful
things. When you sign up forenough of these, they come across and
we were fortunate enough to be ableto snatch those up. And yeah,
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wait in line with a lot ofpeople who love to bitch and moan that
I'm not going to complain that theycomplained that they get to see a free
movie. Yes, before Sean gotthere, it was already the I'm not
going to get in. I'm notgoing to get into. The lady from
AMC completely walked up and said,we're showing it at two theaters, about
three hundred and fifty seats in each. You're going to get in, And
still they complained. And then atthe very end, one lady did you
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hear the one that was really likeyelling out, I'm too old to be
standing in this line? Yes,yes she could. I mean, if
I don't have my QR code,I've been I've got my QR code.
I've been standing here. I betterget in there. You're going to get
in there. You're like at thealmost front of the line. And even
with that that, the person said, if you don't have a QR code,
come talk to talk to me.Yes, are gonna let you in.
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They're gonna find a way to letyou in. The long story short,
going to these previews is often ajourney in and of itself. Simply
you're seeing a lot of people gettingsomething for three free, acting like a
bunch of people getting something. Yes, so we go anyway, we go
into the theater, just to givethe complete what what. There was also
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someone in line that I joked withSean and I threw it down with them
because they have one of the loudestlaughs I've ever It was just grating,
and I said, please, don'tlet that person sit next to us.
I go out to get my refreshmentsand what does Shaun text me? But
do you remember? Yes? AndI was like, He's like, oh,
yeah, sure enough. Yes.Good thing was they were quiet in
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the movie. I appreciate it evenyou know her, I think that was
her boyfriend had apparently signed the issuesand constantly made noises through the movie.
I don't think that was the Ape. So let's get to the movie the
movie itself. Let's use Wikipedia's description. Three hundred years after the events of
War for the Plant of the Apes, Ape civilizations have emerged from the oasis
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to which Caesar led his fellow Apes, while humans have regressed into a feral,
primitive state. When the Ape king, Proximous Caesar, armed with weapons
forged from human lost human technologies,perverts Caesar's teachings to enslave other clans,
the chimpanzee hunter Noah embarks on aharrowing journey alongside a human woman to determine
(03:29):
the future for Apes and humans alike. So that's it. It's kind of
a hero's journey. I don't knowthat we've had really an ape film thing.
I'm letting my mind see a hero'sjourney, just a hero's journey,
and I'm trying to think if whendenying the call would have been you know,
I can just think Caesar not reallydenying the call, but well no,
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no, yeah, whenever he's cat, when Caesar is put in the
ape enclosure and he then stops wantingto see, well yeah, yeah,
that that could that could be alittle bit. It felt unique. It
felt unique in this way to methat it didn't feel necessarily like, you
know, we didn't have an immediatehuman ape separation because like they say,
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this is in the future, thingsof future. Yeah, you know,
yeah, Caesar's teachings have gotten there, I will say, And I'm gonna
I'm gonna spoil with how I feltlast night, and it's changed a little,
so much so that I've argued abouta ticket to go tomorrow. Uh
huh are you going to stay awakeduring this one? I admit to it.
So it was just seven o'clock showing. Yeah, And the truth of
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it was there were two factors.Number one, My poor sweet wife is
sick. I have gigs this weekend. I can't sleep in the bed.
I've been sleeping on the couch.I could not sleep. I was already
tired, and I made the dumbdecision to have a double red wine.
And about halfway through, I gotmyself a lovely little power nap. You
got your little bit of fantas ofPhantom of the Menace power nap in Oh
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God, a Fantom this power andapt. The difference is Phantom Menace.
You don't need the red wine.You just watched the movie, But I
did kind of in the middle stretch, and it was after the journey begins
that I just kind of and thenext thing I knew I was in a
place I was like, well,yeah, I missed that. I'm gonna
have to see it again. Myfeelings last night were kind of uh,
unmoved by it. Me on reflection, I'm enjoying it more. Well me
(05:26):
too. So this is not aspoiler because it's in this description that you
just read. But it's really alot about how time and from a distance
from a meaning can change that meaningdepending on who is using exactly and most
importantly, I mean the most directcorrelation I can think of it right now,
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is evangelicals who support Trump. Youknow that he has no basis in
Christianity anywhere. He doesn't follow anyof the teaching of Christ that their churches
out there saying that he's the nextcoming of Jesus, right, And I
think I think that's a pretty it'snot even seeing on the nose. I
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mean, it's it's a truthful.I think it's the intent. I think
you're looking at that the Christianity,how many thousands of years evolved from it
that we look at it and peoplenow use it to distort it to their
own views. And I think that, yeah, there's like prosperity churches and
stuff like that, where that's notwhat Jesus. Jesus wasn't about making money.
No, no, he wasn't notto get into a church stuff.
Damn you about talking apes. ButI think that's exactly right. And I
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think that maybe last night my powernap beside, uh huh. I think
that's where initially my thought was.I don't know, but the more I
thought about it. On the wayit was literally drive home. I texted
the girls when I left and theywere like, how was I wasn't.
By the time I got home,I said, well, hang on,
I think I think, because itreally adhere to what the original did with
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so many social things, that maybethis might be one of the stronger ones.
And I said, so, that'swhy I already took one of my
Cinemark tokens and bought myself a ticketto go see it again. So,
and I don't want to get intospoiler stuff, but I remember last night
we were talking about certain characters andsurprise that they could do what they did,
and then I started thinking about it. Now they've done that in the
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series as well, if you thinkabout it, and especially in the second
movie. Yeah, and you andbeneath. Yeah, And I think that
if we get into also comparing itto the originals, let's talk production design.
I think that it is oh well, yeah, I mean there was
a scene that feels like it camestraight out of the first movie where all
the humans being captured in the field, and then they've even got rope nuts
(07:43):
and everything. Yeah. Yeah,you've seen that in the preview. I
think some of the things where welook at a dystopian Earth civilization, I
don't want to say any of itbecause some of those were the lovely little
nuggets that I really enjoyed. Butyou're seeing vegetation and rust and whatever takeover
things and and then eventually you kindof get a glimpse of what they used
(08:03):
to be. Yeah, I thinksome of that is really great that I
think that. That's actually where Istarted going back and going, Okay,
hang on, what expectation did youwalk in with and what were you hoping
this was going to be? Becauseas my brain went back to it,
that was the first thing. Wasthe production design. I think the production
design is outstanding. Oh and thevisual effects. I mean that's the next
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thing. You got to get thecharacter, the way they looked, Oh
you're gonna hear my dog barking becausean airplane is flying over. I mean,
just the visual effects on the charactersthemselves, the way the light goes
through skin, the hair, theskin itself. I mean, it was
the hands whenever there's a scene whereNoah covered the female character's hands and his
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hands were massively bigger than her,and I was wondering, did they do
that? Did he cover her handsin real life with his hands and they
made him bigger or did they havelike an effect hand that then they went
over because that just showed the sizedifference between the humans and the apes,
right, I thought that much likethat, there were times, you know,
not not the size difference, butthe environmental special effects. Because there's
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a moment when at the pretty muchat the head of the film, when
we first meet the young human womanand there's kind of a fish smokehouse,
and I thought some of the lightingwithin that, because you knew a lot
of that, they may have hungsome of the fish there that she's kind
of Oh yeah, there's some there'spractical stuff, but the lighting much of
that had to be digitally done tomake it work across all facets of it.
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And this is either where she's coweringin a shadow or I think that's
Noah in that moment, you know, yeah, no as the fish is
moving and he's he's not real andthe lighting and the consistency that shot,
or he's yeah, where he's inbetween the light, he's in between the
fire and and the camera. Andyeah, I thought that that moment alone,
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I thought, damn the I thinkthat's whet A workshop that did all
that, and their work alone needsto be applauded just for that well.
If, by the way, ifyou hear any jingling, that's my dog.
Oh that's okay. We heard alittle bitty bark. Not a big
deal. You know, we don'twant to keep this too long. This
is directed by Wes Ball, whodid the Maze Runner film films, and
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I told Sean last night i'd heardBarry Jenkins, the award winning director of
Moonlight, apparently went to school withwest Ball and had said really good things
about how strong of a director hewas, and how the Maze Runner films
were not indicative of his strength.You could tell the studio probably kept a
thumb on him because he was relativelynew. I think that's another thing that's
kind of resonating with me, isthis There is a director's presence in this
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one. You know, you can'tsay that and a lot of the original
films because the studios were controlling cuttingbudgets, et cetera. But this one,
you could tell this is a storytellerwho wanted to tell a story.
It's a little long. I thinkit probably two and a half hours.
Yeah, I think it get turnedabout fifteen minutes and been okay. But
then again, I think some ofwhat works so well is how it can
be an action film and then veryquiet. Yeah, they they they do
(11:13):
evoke a lot of Caesar with Noah, the way he talks very quietly.
Well, I even think the lookof him now, I know, you
know, obviously they're not saying he'sa descendant of Caesar or anything, but
yeah, he's kind of got thatpatch where it's a little bear patch,
which kind of matches the scar thatCaesar used to have. And being a
chimp, it's it's obvious. It'seasy to look and say he looked like
but there was there were I thinkthere were intentional similarities. Yeah, not
(11:37):
so much as on the bad guyside. I swear they made one of
the chimps look like Coba. Yeah, I thought the exact same thing.
Yeah, I no, go ahead, no, if you had something,
because again I don't want to.I'm just going to talk about We're probably
a little over ten minutes now.I'm just gonna talk about the writer,
Josh Friedman. I was looking athis filmography as far as film writing.
(11:58):
He wrote Or the Worlds for StevenSpielberg, for Black Dahlia, for Brian
de Palmer. He wrote this,He's writing at least of right now.
Who knows stuff always changes, theFantastic four movie. He's writing Avatar four
and an untitled Star Trek film.But he did stories for Chain Reaction,
Terminator, Dark Fate, Avatar,The Way of Water, and Avatar three.
(12:22):
So very nice. Take that inmine with When you see this,
you know he's written some okay stuff, He's written some stuff that you might
find mediocre, He's written some goodstuff. And then he did some TV
stuff like Terminator, the Sarah ConnorChronicles, Lock and Key, The Finder,
More Than Crossbones, Yeah, snowPiercer, and Foundation. I don't
(12:43):
know if you watch Foundation on AppleTV, but that's excellent. I wanted
to haven't gotten there. I thinkthat it definitely feels like an intentional step
away from the previous films, byand large, And I read something today
with Westbaul saying that he intentionally wantedto do that because he didn't want to
(13:03):
get into that fandom, that toxicfandom behavior where it's like, well,
that's not where I saw this going. He's like, let's just avoid it,
let's use it as that, let'sget a couple hundred years away.
Yes, we're not going to bedealing with how humans really react with apes
anymore, because you know, they'vebeen devolved and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, So I thinkit's more about the It's more about
(13:24):
the ape society and how they've evolvedin the last couple hundred years. And
the weird thing is that I thinkthat it going back to what you said
before, is has a direct correlationto our use of behavior. Has humanity
really evolved much? We have thosefoundations and we continue to use them against
each other instead of to help eachother. And what and what this one
(13:46):
does that the original movies didn't dowas it introduces different factions to the apes,
you know, and the first moviethere was just one city, so
we only knew what one place.The second movie it was that same city,
but we got the mutes. Andthe third one we weren't really dealing
with the apes anymore because we wentback and passed. The fourth one,
(14:09):
we weren't. We were dealing withthe apes coming together finally. And then
the fifth one it was just oneplace again. And this one actually covers
two factions and how they are differentand how they you know, threw apart
and stuff like that. I'm curiousto see if where they'll take this,
if it does well enough to warranta sequel, I would think that Disney
they said they want to do itanother trilogy. Yeah, I wouldn't think
(14:31):
Disney was going to do this.They may not do it with Wes Ball,
but yeah, it does. Itdoes have a moment at the end
where you go, Okay, they'retrying to tell itself to a sequel.
Yeah. Yeah, so there's there'sno there's no post credit scene. No,
don't worry about that. Thank God. If I can be a sole
entity that exercises Hollywood the post creditscene, I will work my ass off.
(14:54):
Come on half the time. Youknow, they're doing it to make
people stay through the credits, sothat you know all these people that worked
on and you get to look attheir name up there from it. They
got paychecks, they get to keepworking. I appreciate them, and you
know, I apply them. Ijust I'm so tired of that. That's
a discussion for another time. Ithink overall that we're both saying a day
afterwards, we like it. Idon't know where it fits yet, but
that I can also say that warfor the plan of the Apes, after
(15:18):
we saw that we saw that whenthey showed all three of them, all
three together. Yeah, And Ithink when it finally showed, it was
like almost eleven o'clock at night,and so we were both like, oh,
yeah, so I have a feelingthat it's going to play like that
where I really like that film.Now, when I saw it the first
time, I was just like,oh God, I'm just beaten down by
watching three movies back to back toback. I don't know where this one
(15:41):
fits yet. I'm glad to seethat we get a good story that when
the three of us sit to gowndown together, will be able to talk
about. Yeah, which to thatpoint, we will wrap this up by
saying we actually are in production onRise at the play of the apes,
so we are, We're getting there. We will release it. I had
(16:03):
hoped that we could release it rightaround the time of this film, but
we're doing this for that very reason. We wanted to come out and say,
hey, we're still here, we'reworking on this. It's just been
a little bit of chaos between Richardand his workouts for Comic Book Day.
I've had a lot of things happenon all travel. Yeah, and Sean's
got puppies that have issues, andso we've all been struggling just to get
things to work out. With thatsaid, we are working. It will
(16:26):
happen. It will happen. Iwould venture guests within the next couple of
months. Yeah, I think that'sit, Sean. So you're giving it
a thumbs up? Yeah, Ienjoyed it. Okay, me too.
Everyone get out and see it,Kingdom of Plenty of the Apes. It
opens in kind of a limited releaselate tomorrow, full release on Friday.
(16:48):
I'm sure most of you by nowhave your tickets. Go enjoy it.
It's a good movie. I thinkthat's it, Sean. You got anything
else, that's it? All right? Well, your sweet puppy over your
shoulder is waiting for some love.We'll send Sean off to love the puppy.
Everyone and have a great day.Bye bye everybody. Ye m
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