April 26, 2023 • 13 mins
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(00:00):
On today's many apes. Someday they'lltell a story about a human who came
from the stars and changed our worldfrom the humans who came before him at
thousan two thousand earlier and changed ourworld. Drinking Hello and welcome to Many
(00:54):
of the Apes. The Daily podcastwhere we break down every minute of the
plan of the Ape movies one minuteat a time. I'm Todd and I'm
putting on my happy voice. You'reno longer on Twitter voice, No,
because we're just enjoying the last cugnitivemoments of this film. Are we enjoying?
No? Not really? Bullshit man. Once again, Look, hey,
(01:17):
you know what, Sean, I'mgonna give you kudos because I give
you a lot of shit occasionally whenyou'll go off and make poopy jokes into
the teases. You've had jokes,You've you've had some point on teases today.
But once again, Richard, youare so you're so good at wait,
we love you for it. Yourteasers or twink right on the right
on the nose. Jesus, theregoes my tongue. All right, here
(01:40):
we are the middle of the week. We've only got after today two more
minutes to get through for this weekand then how many more minutes of actual
movie until we get to the creditSean including this minute one, two,
three for six minutes a movie sixminutes, a movie left, six minutes,
and somehow they're going to wrap thisand again they're gonna put a major
team for the next for the nextmote, for the sequel. Do you
(02:04):
think that's why they did that,the big choice that don't come at the
end. Do you think they didthat because they thought were hoping it'd be
a sequel they could explore in thatalternate world. I think they did it
with the possibility that they that theyleft a dangling possibility. I think they
could a dangling possibility. Remember that, because that's what we're calling this episode,
all right, minute one await SeanTills was happening. All right,
(02:27):
We're gonna start a minute one awaywith Arias saying about a human who came
from the stars, and ends withLimbo wishing Davidson farewell. All right,
here it comes, minute one awaitplenty of the apes about a human wait
for the stars changed our wild someoneSo it was just a very damn it
(02:54):
was another real but oh no,oh keep it you know, I'd like
(03:27):
to thank you for opening my eyesto a brave new world of trade with
the humane Yeah, no problem,farewell, as a minute went away,
we have an obron's worth of apesand humans who display pods where the humans
and apes so meanwhile humans and apes, city Minitu guerlas and a peace among
humans and apes. In our ookiescene that begins it between Ari and Leu,
(03:51):
which I say, OOKI only becausethe subtext of the sexuality and the
love the things that are said arenice and we can we can talk about
that. Lots of tight shots justover the shoulder, back and forth until
he cuts her. He leans inand kisses her. He goes in the
background over ORI's shoulder or a bunchof kneeling guerrillas that are somehow not involved
in the space earlier, and thenwe cut over to Limbo, who's back
(04:15):
in the capsule stealing shit. Leotells him you can keep it, and
it stays pretty much in that twoshot until Leo looks off for no reason,
no provocation to that look. Helooks and finds of Stella sitting alone
in the ruins of the Oberon LeoLee's frame, we see him going past
the humans. Effectively, I guessto talk to her. So at the
(04:39):
beginning of this, this begins withI think a speech that Ari gives that
would be good, a good sweetspeech were this set up the way we'd
ask to be set up, wherethere were different levels of this. So
who he was and what he meant, and if we knew what he had
changed, that's my problem within thiswhole scene between Ari and Limbo. I
(05:00):
don't know that Leo has changed muchabout the society enough for for a major
shift to happen. Yeah, forit to be this. He is the
spaceman that wasn't really here, butI'll always know. And then you've opened
ideas of trade. What ideas oftrade? Well, I can't I the
Limbo thing I like, but it'swhat I was talking about in the previous
minute. You've got this whole apecity that knows none of this, and
(05:21):
beliefs are probably not going to change. So we were saying there someday they're
going to tell a story about aguy who came from the start, But
then they'll say it's a fairy tale. But I don't know, I don't
know it's true. Well, youget everybody that's there right now, starting
telling the story right now, sothey people know it's not a fairy tale
because it fucking happened today, nota thousand years ago. Well, they're
still gonna be dealing with the revelations, the fact that Seamost wasn't real is
(05:44):
real, but he was a badguy. But they're just we just juttisoned
our entire religion and now we're gonnabe doing a fairy tale about space.
It's a beautiful it's a beautiful moment. The words are nice, they're acting
is fine, everything is great.It just is not set up very still
for this moment to exist. It'sher just having a romantic thought or feeling
(06:12):
about him and who he is,or romantic ideas of him. I don't
mean like sexual, just romantic idealike like a like a like a hero
that changed and shaped. It wassomething that she a journey she was already
on and now he's made that cometrue for her, hopefully her the rest
of her society. So it isit is some nice thoughts that she's giving
there. Um, he just hasn'tsaid goodbye. I find it really weird.
Not only was the kiss, notby the way, the kiss was
(06:34):
not in the script. The kisshappens, and then he just pulls his
hand away and turns and walks away. I mean, he didn't know how
to ask for content. First ofall, Come on, he touched her
without her permission, then you can'tthrough without her permission. These were in
the days before we were aware ofHey, there's a proper way to handle
this, but that it's such aham fisted hand of this idea of them
(07:01):
having a romantic intimacy, and itall I can think of is people who
did not love the first movie said, how do we remake that world?
Oh? Hey, don't you rememberthat he kissed her at the end.
Gotta have that in there. Itjust it feels like for no reason,
if anything, there's a hug thatneeds to happen or a handhold, that's
(07:23):
because she's saying to him what she'swhat he's done. This is not romance,
This is yeah, this is I'mglad I could affect you in this
way. And it would be ahug. It would be a kiss on
the cheek, It would be nota kiss on the lips. I could
even see he's not that much tallerthan she is, but it could be
one of those kind of things betweenme and one where he hugs her and
her head goes on his chest andleads down and he's like, you know,
(07:45):
and I'll remember you too. Thatsentiment would work, but the hey
punk, you know, that's justI don't get that at all. And
now Limbo his whole thing of You'veopened my eyes for a whole new world
of trade with the human So seeI like that because he didn't row,
but he now knows that he canget dollar signs from more people, so
(08:05):
you know, he found the silverlining that benefits him personally. I get
to work with humans now and makemore money if we let that stand.
The looking over and seeing a stella, it's weird. Is weird because we
should have Limbo and Leo looking athumans and apes interacting, and then he
(08:28):
sees Dana, but not like weshould. We should we should see Limbo
not just holding a device, holdingout a packet or something from his ship,
but actually somehow interacting immediately he does. He does it later, but
right now I needed to see that. That would make why he would look
out and then see people and thensee Dana make sense. As opposed to
(08:50):
this has happened numerous times in thefilm where people or individuals look at something
simply because we need them to lookat it. It's true, that's very
true, and it's it's another whereit's just saying over my shoulder, what
oh, look, she's over therebeing sad. Okay, yeah, not
even that. He looks up inthe It's like if a bird flew past
(09:11):
you and you were trying to findout where it went, that's where he
because he looks up in the skyfirst, Like what the hell? Well,
here's my question. Does she knowthat he's Does she know that he's
leaving? Um, he has nevershown affection or any interest for her at
all. It's all been herd towardshim. So I think she's just pouting
because he's not doing anything with givinggiving her any attention. I mean,
(09:35):
kiss, Why not me? Wewere we were complaining a few seconds earlier
about the fact that he hasn't reallysaid why he's leaving, or goodbye or
anything like that. He just suddenlyannounced to Ari that he's leaving. Nobody
else knows that unless she's just sadthat because she's all the kiss. Wouldn't
you expected to have her see inthe background see the kiss, and that
would prompt her to be sad.That camera could have moved around in between
(09:58):
their joint face they're looking and thenyou see her go sit down somewhere because
otherwise she's just overall from the cornersad because humans and apes are now together.
It's if you want to use thatidea that we've had characters just looking
in places they need to because weneed them too. There's also reactions because
we feel we need them to.It has been time and time again that
(10:20):
nobody earns what they're doing. They'rejust doing it to do it right,
and and unfortunately it's been true thisfilm Nonstop's Christ. Have we hit ten
minutes? Yeah? Yeah, we'redid it happen? Yeah, it's uh
them. It's such a missed opportunityfor the story a sweet It doesn't come
(10:43):
from anything setting it up. Thelimbo moment is I just I'm we're catching
up with their individual characters as youwould at the end of the film,
where it would be did ari wedid limbo or no, Yeah, we're
We're doing our goodbyes and our catchupseverybody. There's just not a lot of
(11:03):
meaning behind it. It's just I'mgonna jump for probably the most drastic example.
But you watch Schindler's List and thatlittle girl that's the only bit of
color that wears the red jacket.She's introduced in the Storming of the Ghettos,
and you think that that's just soyou see this little girl, But
then what does that do? Butthen when he sees the carts going away
and there's the little red jacket,and your heart's fucking broken. I took
(11:26):
my child to see that because andshe's like or like the first episode of
The Last of Us where you seeit's in you know, twenty years in
the future, and that one kidshows up and they test and you see
the light turns red and yeah,we're gonna get you some cookies and milk.
You're gonna be fine. And thenext shot you just see a bag
over the head, dead body andit's the same clothes, it's the same
exact thing. You do a wayto set it up, and the emotion
(11:50):
comes because you believe what you've beenshown is that healthy end of the information.
And that's even true with Schindlers.Is I forgot? She's almost almost
bliss Yeah, because she's a littlekid and she's just whining a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, she didn't know. But then when the truth of
the evil of the world gets her, your heart's broken because as a viewer,
you know that's the truth. Estellashould have a truth like this somewhere
(12:13):
so that she feels alone. Well, she lost her dad right right where?
How did that? How does thatplay into it? How can we
how can we have that she losther dad and the boyfriend who didn't give
her fucking attention is the one she'swhining it, or at least that's what
it seems like. I mean,well, we'll talk about it tomorrow,
I suppose, right, yeah,yeah, all right, that's it with
(12:35):
a minute one away, come onThursday is going to be better. I
have a feeling. Let's say ittogether, gun and beat gun better.
That's right, here we go.All right, that's it. Everyone,
have a great day by everybody.
On today's many apes. Someday they'lltell a story about a human who came
from the stars and changed our worldfrom the humans who came before him at
thousan two thousand earlier and changed ourworld. Drinking Hello and welcome to Many
(00:54):
of the Apes. The Daily podcastwhere we break down every minute of the
plan of the Ape movies one minuteat a time. I'm Todd and I'm
putting on my happy voice. You'reno longer on Twitter voice, No,
because we're just enjoying the last cugnitivemoments of this film. Are we enjoying?
No? Not really? Bullshit man. Once again, Look, hey,
(01:17):
you know what, Sean, I'mgonna give you kudos because I give
you a lot of shit occasionally whenyou'll go off and make poopy jokes into
the teases. You've had jokes,You've you've had some point on teases today.
But once again, Richard, youare so you're so good at wait,
we love you for it. Yourteasers or twink right on the right
on the nose. Jesus, theregoes my tongue. All right, here
(01:40):
we are the middle of the week. We've only got after today two more
minutes to get through for this weekand then how many more minutes of actual
movie until we get to the creditSean including this minute one, two,
three for six minutes a movie sixminutes, a movie left, six minutes,
and somehow they're going to wrap thisand again they're gonna put a major
team for the next for the nextmote, for the sequel. Do you
(02:04):
think that's why they did that,the big choice that don't come at the
end. Do you think they didthat because they thought were hoping it'd be
a sequel they could explore in thatalternate world. I think they did it
with the possibility that they that theyleft a dangling possibility. I think they
could a dangling possibility. Remember that, because that's what we're calling this episode,
all right, minute one await SeanTills was happening. All right,
(02:27):
We're gonna start a minute one awaywith Arias saying about a human who came
from the stars, and ends withLimbo wishing Davidson farewell. All right,
here it comes, minute one awaitplenty of the apes about a human wait
for the stars changed our wild someoneSo it was just a very damn it
(02:54):
was another real but oh no,oh keep it you know, I'd like
(03:27):
to thank you for opening my eyesto a brave new world of trade with
the humane Yeah, no problem,farewell, as a minute went away,
we have an obron's worth of apesand humans who display pods where the humans
and apes so meanwhile humans and apes, city Minitu guerlas and a peace among
humans and apes. In our ookiescene that begins it between Ari and Leu,
(03:51):
which I say, OOKI only becausethe subtext of the sexuality and the
love the things that are said arenice and we can we can talk about
that. Lots of tight shots justover the shoulder, back and forth until
he cuts her. He leans inand kisses her. He goes in the
background over ORI's shoulder or a bunchof kneeling guerrillas that are somehow not involved
in the space earlier, and thenwe cut over to Limbo, who's back
(04:15):
in the capsule stealing shit. Leotells him you can keep it, and
it stays pretty much in that twoshot until Leo looks off for no reason,
no provocation to that look. Helooks and finds of Stella sitting alone
in the ruins of the Oberon LeoLee's frame, we see him going past
the humans. Effectively, I guessto talk to her. So at the
(04:39):
beginning of this, this begins withI think a speech that Ari gives that
would be good, a good sweetspeech were this set up the way we'd
ask to be set up, wherethere were different levels of this. So
who he was and what he meant, and if we knew what he had
changed, that's my problem within thiswhole scene between Ari and Limbo. I
(05:00):
don't know that Leo has changed muchabout the society enough for for a major
shift to happen. Yeah, forit to be this. He is the
spaceman that wasn't really here, butI'll always know. And then you've opened
ideas of trade. What ideas oftrade? Well, I can't I the
Limbo thing I like, but it'swhat I was talking about in the previous
minute. You've got this whole apecity that knows none of this, and
(05:21):
beliefs are probably not going to change. So we were saying there someday they're
going to tell a story about aguy who came from the start, But
then they'll say it's a fairy tale. But I don't know, I don't
know it's true. Well, youget everybody that's there right now, starting
telling the story right now, sothey people know it's not a fairy tale
because it fucking happened today, nota thousand years ago. Well, they're
still gonna be dealing with the revelations, the fact that Seamost wasn't real is
(05:44):
real, but he was a badguy. But they're just we just juttisoned
our entire religion and now we're gonnabe doing a fairy tale about space.
It's a beautiful it's a beautiful moment. The words are nice, they're acting
is fine, everything is great.It just is not set up very still
for this moment to exist. It'sher just having a romantic thought or feeling
(06:12):
about him and who he is,or romantic ideas of him. I don't
mean like sexual, just romantic idealike like a like a like a hero
that changed and shaped. It wassomething that she a journey she was already
on and now he's made that cometrue for her, hopefully her the rest
of her society. So it isit is some nice thoughts that she's giving
there. Um, he just hasn'tsaid goodbye. I find it really weird.
Not only was the kiss, notby the way, the kiss was
(06:34):
not in the script. The kisshappens, and then he just pulls his
hand away and turns and walks away. I mean, he didn't know how
to ask for content. First ofall, Come on, he touched her
without her permission, then you can'tthrough without her permission. These were in
the days before we were aware ofHey, there's a proper way to handle
this, but that it's such aham fisted hand of this idea of them
(07:01):
having a romantic intimacy, and itall I can think of is people who
did not love the first movie said, how do we remake that world?
Oh? Hey, don't you rememberthat he kissed her at the end.
Gotta have that in there. Itjust it feels like for no reason,
if anything, there's a hug thatneeds to happen or a handhold, that's
(07:23):
because she's saying to him what she'swhat he's done. This is not romance,
This is yeah, this is I'mglad I could affect you in this
way. And it would be ahug. It would be a kiss on
the cheek, It would be nota kiss on the lips. I could
even see he's not that much tallerthan she is, but it could be
one of those kind of things betweenme and one where he hugs her and
her head goes on his chest andleads down and he's like, you know,
(07:45):
and I'll remember you too. Thatsentiment would work, but the hey
punk, you know, that's justI don't get that at all. And
now Limbo his whole thing of You'veopened my eyes for a whole new world
of trade with the human So seeI like that because he didn't row,
but he now knows that he canget dollar signs from more people, so
(08:05):
you know, he found the silverlining that benefits him personally. I get
to work with humans now and makemore money if we let that stand.
The looking over and seeing a stella, it's weird. Is weird because we
should have Limbo and Leo looking athumans and apes interacting, and then he
(08:28):
sees Dana, but not like weshould. We should we should see Limbo
not just holding a device, holdingout a packet or something from his ship,
but actually somehow interacting immediately he does. He does it later, but
right now I needed to see that. That would make why he would look
out and then see people and thensee Dana make sense. As opposed to
(08:50):
this has happened numerous times in thefilm where people or individuals look at something
simply because we need them to lookat it. It's true, that's very
true, and it's it's another whereit's just saying over my shoulder, what
oh, look, she's over therebeing sad. Okay, yeah, not
even that. He looks up inthe It's like if a bird flew past
(09:11):
you and you were trying to findout where it went, that's where he
because he looks up in the skyfirst, Like what the hell? Well,
here's my question. Does she knowthat he's Does she know that he's
leaving? Um, he has nevershown affection or any interest for her at
all. It's all been herd towardshim. So I think she's just pouting
because he's not doing anything with givinggiving her any attention. I mean,
(09:35):
kiss, Why not me? Wewere we were complaining a few seconds earlier
about the fact that he hasn't reallysaid why he's leaving, or goodbye or
anything like that. He just suddenlyannounced to Ari that he's leaving. Nobody
else knows that unless she's just sadthat because she's all the kiss. Wouldn't
you expected to have her see inthe background see the kiss, and that
would prompt her to be sad.That camera could have moved around in between
(09:58):
their joint face they're looking and thenyou see her go sit down somewhere because
otherwise she's just overall from the cornersad because humans and apes are now together.
It's if you want to use thatidea that we've had characters just looking
in places they need to because weneed them too. There's also reactions because
we feel we need them to.It has been time and time again that
(10:20):
nobody earns what they're doing. They'rejust doing it to do it right,
and and unfortunately it's been true thisfilm Nonstop's Christ. Have we hit ten
minutes? Yeah? Yeah, we'redid it happen? Yeah, it's uh
them. It's such a missed opportunityfor the story a sweet It doesn't come
(10:43):
from anything setting it up. Thelimbo moment is I just I'm we're catching
up with their individual characters as youwould at the end of the film,
where it would be did ari wedid limbo or no, Yeah, we're
We're doing our goodbyes and our catchupseverybody. There's just not a lot of
(11:03):
meaning behind it. It's just I'mgonna jump for probably the most drastic example.
But you watch Schindler's List and thatlittle girl that's the only bit of
color that wears the red jacket.She's introduced in the Storming of the Ghettos,
and you think that that's just soyou see this little girl, But
then what does that do? Butthen when he sees the carts going away
and there's the little red jacket,and your heart's fucking broken. I took
(11:26):
my child to see that because andshe's like or like the first episode of
The Last of Us where you seeit's in you know, twenty years in
the future, and that one kidshows up and they test and you see
the light turns red and yeah,we're gonna get you some cookies and milk.
You're gonna be fine. And thenext shot you just see a bag
over the head, dead body andit's the same clothes, it's the same
exact thing. You do a wayto set it up, and the emotion
(11:50):
comes because you believe what you've beenshown is that healthy end of the information.
And that's even true with Schindlers.Is I forgot? She's almost almost
bliss Yeah, because she's a littlekid and she's just whining a little bit.
Yeah, yeah, she didn't know. But then when the truth of
the evil of the world gets her, your heart's broken because as a viewer,
you know that's the truth. Estellashould have a truth like this somewhere
(12:13):
so that she feels alone. Well, she lost her dad right right where?
How did that? How does thatplay into it? How can we
how can we have that she losther dad and the boyfriend who didn't give
her fucking attention is the one she'swhining it, or at least that's what
it seems like. I mean,well, we'll talk about it tomorrow,
I suppose, right, yeah,yeah, all right, that's it with
(12:35):
a minute one away, come onThursday is going to be better. I
have a feeling. Let's say ittogether, gun and beat gun better.
That's right, here we go.All right, that's it. Everyone,
have a great day by everybody.
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