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(00:00):
Hey, everyone, It's Todd andI'm Jeff. We're two lifelong friends who
decided we want to make a movietogether, and I wanted to let everyone
know we're actually starting a podcast aswell that's going to tell all about the
struggles and the triumphs and the lessonsthat we've learned along the way during the
movie making process, from writing scriptto finding the cast, to shooting the
scenes and editing the final product.You, the listener, will have behind
(00:22):
the scenes access. Plus along theway, we'll be interviewing industry professionals to
get their take on the whole processas well. So if you've ever wanted
to make a movie on your own, this new podcast is for you.
Make sure to head out to yourfavorite podcasting delivery service and look for Jeff
and Todd make a Movie and hitthe follow button on today's Men of the
(00:43):
Apes. We'd get going with thisif Sean would come to one about Hello
(01:30):
and welcome to Mind the Apes,the daily podcast where we break down every
minute of the plan of the eightmovies, one minute at a time.
I am Todd. Sitting silently acrossfrom me is Richard and being do you
know what the term poly rhythmic,is Sean, I believe, So yeah,
you can like do different beats.That's kind of good. Yeah,
you actually you coughed a little bitduring the intro, and so polyrhythmic would
(01:53):
would mean that it would be fourbeats against three, which and I'll do
it. This is what it wouldsound like when if you can hear about
tabbing, they kind of you dida polyrhythmic cough against that thing. It
was like and I was like,oh, look at that, Sean,
not even intending to, but thereis my polyrhythmic friend. How are we
(02:13):
on this Wednesday hump day of creditsso close to the end. We're doing
all right, We're doing okay.So today we'll be we're going to listen
to the to the minute. Wewill talk about who we see, and
then we're going to talk about whyno sequel as best we can put together.
Is that fair for everybody? Doit? All? Right? Here
it comes minute one eighteen minute onea team with co supervisor Tom Hutchinson and
(02:37):
ends with construction medic Debreth selling allright here it comes one eighteen. We're
rolling. We still got our dancebeat, so we have the rebel unit
Supervisor since we only have what isa rebel unit artists the name of the
company, were going to have twominutes left. This funky music's gonna last
all the time. Yeah, anticantimatic artists, model maker, a little
(03:02):
pre production stuff. Basically nowadays it'sall computer of it. Back then it
would have been hand drawn muscling.They've only got two people particular, only
digital paint, super budgetion. Nowadaysthat would be like a gang of people.
Yeah. Well, there's a gamethat Rhythm and U studio, that
(03:24):
artist that's a pretty famous production forwhich one Rhythm Pacific title in art studio.
Just there's just that such animal,birds and animals unlimited. Okay,
so let's there was we we wentthrough that minute. We got our dance
(03:46):
already. Think about what beside horses? What other animals? Wait? Wait,
the chimps. There was the chimps, and they probably had to do
that too. There's a little bitum. So as as I look at
this site, that gives me alittle bit of um. Why didn't happen?
(04:09):
Why it didn't happen? It beginswith that. The film did gangbuster
business in its first couple of weekends, but then quickly dove off that its
returns didn't have that sustained not growth, but that sustained percentage that says,
here's the album algorithm that says we'resuccessful, and where did that come from?
(04:30):
And the audiences it was a financialsuccess, didn't impress the films because
it was absent the themes and dramaticchange changes to the story. And then
in a large way, they feltdisassociated from it. That began with the
twist ending. Even tim Roth cameout saying I couldn't understand that ending.
(04:50):
I've seen it twice and I don'tunderstand anything. Tim Roth was like,
oh, we'll tell you about peopleshitting on your own work, but I
mean, you're not one of thework work with those same people again,
and are you ready for this?Because the guy went on to marry or
Helen a Bottom. Carter, whoplayed already said I thought it made sense
kind of. I don't understand whyeverybody went hunt. It's all a time
(05:11):
work thing. He's gone back andhe rolls the stays beat him. Okay,
yeah, but no, but that'sjust like saying, all right.
At the end of Star Wars,after Luke Skywalker blows up the death star
Bader just is hanging out with therebels now saying good job son. Yeah,
well no, there's no there's noimpetus to do any of that.
There's no reason you set nothing upjust to say huh okayl yeah. And
(05:38):
I think that that ends up beingwhy was there no sequel? Box office
trailed off when excitement died down,other things happened, people didn't stay with
it, it didn't continue to That'san impressive four to one return. If
I made a film that was attwo point five million dollars budget and I
made ten billion bucks, then everybody'smade money and everybody's happy because it's a
(05:58):
small investment. But when it's ahundred million, it gets four hundred with
hidden cost of marketing and all thatkind of thing. That's not the same.
And I don't think that. Soyou've got diminishing returns, confusion.
On the ending, nobody feels compelled. There's not a cliffhanger. It's not
(06:18):
hey, Luke, I'm your fatherand you have to go find your friend
in carbonite. That's at least Iwant to find out. Is there anything
that anybody wants to find out inthe end of this film? Why the
fuck they wrote that ending, Idon't I'm not worried about Leo. I
think it's just a shitty turn forhim. He ended up in eight pel
(06:41):
Well. Now, yeah, nowhe's at least he's not in the middle
of a weird jungle desert planet withswamps. At least he's in an environment
he can have this. This cameup in when we were talking about when
this was released, and six weeksish after this moment was September eleventh,
thousand and one, nine to eleven, six weeks after about Yeah, this
(07:02):
was July. It released July twentyseventh, and that was September eleventh.
Yeah, the when the Twin Towersfell. So I wonder if tonally things
had changed in art at that timeas well, that would have made this
unattracted to revisit. Yeah, youthink about that that. I don't know
what the impact I'd have to it'sweird. I needed would like to go
(07:23):
back and kind of see pay attentionto what was happening in charts and media
at the time, and see whatwas being produced. Six months to a
year later, two years Battlestar Galacticcame. It's retelling it that came shortly
after nine to eleven, when RonaldMoore was given that, if he'd been
given that properly around that time,but then that happened, he thought,
while we can tell that story.And I wonder to that point, if
(07:44):
they looked at this and thought thisis irrelevant now right, this has nothing
to do with it. The worldis because so much of art was reflective
of that for quite a while.When you do something that has either more
impact or something that that or isgood escape as couldn't you couldn't you find
something about the feeling of your safetytorn away? Because I think that's what
(08:07):
we all. I think that's oneof the common things we felt with nine
to eleven was we felt this serenitythat we're in this isolated country that is
surrounded by water and no one canget to us, and then suddenly somebody
did it. You could we neverhad a foreign attack on our land,
and you would think maybe that couldbe the theme that you touched on with
Leo. But then again, whenit's only a four to one return,
(08:28):
one hundred million dollars bunch, that'snot enough to worry about. Yeah,
I mean it's come down to money. It has to huh, which is
sad, but it is what Imean, who do you show business?
Who do you go back and revisitYou've you've dumped all your characters. Yeah,
they're also true. The only thingyou do is because somehow they'd has
(08:48):
beaten Leo to Earth in the past. Somehow, maybe Ari has left a
message in the past that Leo isgonna get and maybe Pericle somehow has descendants
that has he. But yeah,welled about Leo. I don't know they
you know, they found the wayan escape by having them just kind of
magically go back in time. Okay, that's a good point, right,
(09:11):
they found away escape to bring themback, But the planety of film here
would either have to follow Leo's pathwith how the characters on the first Yeah,
we're not going to see any ofthem because they will find out how
this world transformed. Words, Leowould not be a part of Do you
to that point? Do you thinkthere was any of the oh, we're
kind of doing a little bit ofescape here where we're letting a little time
war happening. He goes back intime to where they were jumping for that.
(09:33):
I don't think they were thinking aboutI don't think he was thinking about
they were just trying to do anothertwist, and I think I think saw
him being too kind. And theidea of the excuse that it's a time
travel movie was just something they weretrying to say to get people to get
off the back. So I don'tthink they really thought this was a time
travel because yeah, and if theydid, they don't know what time travel
(09:54):
movies, because yeah, it wasnot set up as a time travel because
the only time travel was him goingfor word in the future. We didn't
know about that till yeah, andthen him going back to the past.
Also at the very very end.Time travel movie would have established these weird
parameters and norms from the beginning,and they didn't. And also it would
have set up that Pericles would haveshown up first, I mean, because
(10:18):
Davidson shows up second. I mean, it's just it's so sloppy with time
travel. It's just basically they're saying, it's like a little kid going and
then this happened, and then youwent in past, and then this kid
guy went in the past too,but he came out before you. But
then the other guy came and thenhe went in the past and went backwards
instead. Even in Planet. Wesaw the spinning the movie at the beginning,
(10:39):
at the very very beginning, thoughevery instruments are going crazy right as
a tease to what was actually happening. This one didn't give this any of
that until last part of the film. You think about again, good time
travel films, back to the futureand and please if they're more telling me
you But time after time that Malcolmmcdowal thing where he goes back and it's
checked the ripper falls, that's agreat somewhere in time is schmalty, but
(11:03):
it's time travel makes sense, yes, and it also uses time travel to
break your heart. It uses asyou know, if you take time from
the equation just loves. It's acheesy thing, but at the same time
it's beautiful, this one. Youcan't make a time travel film if you've
not established any any discussion about time. Yeah, time has to be it
(11:24):
has to be that ongoing metaphor forit of what is time? What does
it mean to the moment? Allthose kind of things. I mean,
it's such a grab to make thisa time travel It's not a time travel
movie. It's a movie that happenedto have time travel in as an element
of it. It's not a timetravel movie because the only mentions of time
are when Leo needs to get somewhereand was an eighteen hours, it's got
(11:48):
a day and a half. Yeah, thirty six, thirty six hours.
I knew it was some arbiturning numberlike that. That's the only mention of
time. I don't think we seethat with the pericle stuff at the top.
No, the Earth is not runningout of time with the cloud that's
making weird shit happened. There's noteven any real meaning when you look at
like the Semis and the Khalima stuff. Like at least with Star Trek the
movie, a Veder had a referenceto something that would make sense for it.
(12:11):
Yeah, right, Kalima didn't reallymean anything much. Caution live animals
or Semis didn't really have any meaningeither, Like it just didn't have any
impact. There was one thing Iread with the production designer that they were
baffled by the end too, becausethe way that they understood it was the
whole thing that the Oberon was supposedto be evocative of the Statue of Liberty,
(12:31):
that was supposed to be the moment, and that's why that's why it's
supposed to be this torch. Theysaid, that's why they changed it.
Originally it was supposed to be moreof a city, but they changed it
for the spires to look like thetorch off of that, and that was
intentional because they thought that was it. And then they they felt as though
the time travel thing was added on. They would not say that directly because
I'm sure they didn't want Tim Burtongoing fuck you, but at the same
time, I mean it could be. I think everybody felt like this was
(12:52):
tacked on. Yeah, we needwe need an ending when your actor can't
even you know, okay, TimRoth doesn't have to be in that scene,
but when he shows up, goes, uh, what how did I
end up out of the plastic bubble? And watch it a couple of times,
I still can't figure. Yeah,all right, that is it.
That is minute one eighteen. Wegot two more minutes of this boys,
and we can move on. Sowe know that the last episode. We
(13:15):
want to talk a bit about wheredo we think it's going and kind of
tease the next film what we knowat development tomorrow. Why don't we talk
about how it has been perceived ongoingand pop culture there's a little bit of
data that can show us that asfar as things is that fair. Yeah,
okay, we'll be back tomorrow.Everyone have a great day. Bye
(13:35):
bye everybody.
Hey, everyone, It's Todd andI'm Jeff. We're two lifelong friends who
decided we want to make a movietogether, and I wanted to let everyone
know we're actually starting a podcast aswell that's going to tell all about the
struggles and the triumphs and the lessonsthat we've learned along the way during the
movie making process, from writing scriptto finding the cast, to shooting the
scenes and editing the final product.You, the listener, will have behind
(00:22):
the scenes access. Plus along theway, we'll be interviewing industry professionals to
get their take on the whole processas well. So if you've ever wanted
to make a movie on your own, this new podcast is for you.
Make sure to head out to yourfavorite podcasting delivery service and look for Jeff
and Todd make a Movie and hitthe follow button on today's Men of the
(00:43):
Apes. We'd get going with thisif Sean would come to one about Hello
(01:30):
and welcome to Mind the Apes,the daily podcast where we break down every
minute of the plan of the eightmovies, one minute at a time.
I am Todd. Sitting silently acrossfrom me is Richard and being do you
know what the term poly rhythmic,is Sean, I believe, So yeah,
you can like do different beats.That's kind of good. Yeah,
you actually you coughed a little bitduring the intro, and so polyrhythmic would
(01:53):
would mean that it would be fourbeats against three, which and I'll do
it. This is what it wouldsound like when if you can hear about
tabbing, they kind of you dida polyrhythmic cough against that thing. It
was like and I was like,oh, look at that, Sean,
not even intending to, but thereis my polyrhythmic friend. How are we
(02:13):
on this Wednesday hump day of creditsso close to the end. We're doing
all right, We're doing okay.So today we'll be we're going to listen
to the to the minute. Wewill talk about who we see, and
then we're going to talk about whyno sequel as best we can put together.
Is that fair for everybody? Doit? All? Right? Here
it comes minute one eighteen minute onea team with co supervisor Tom Hutchinson and
(02:37):
ends with construction medic Debreth selling allright here it comes one eighteen. We're
rolling. We still got our dancebeat, so we have the rebel unit
Supervisor since we only have what isa rebel unit artists the name of the
company, were going to have twominutes left. This funky music's gonna last
all the time. Yeah, anticantimatic artists, model maker, a little
(03:02):
pre production stuff. Basically nowadays it'sall computer of it. Back then it
would have been hand drawn muscling.They've only got two people particular, only
digital paint, super budgetion. Nowadaysthat would be like a gang of people.
Yeah. Well, there's a gamethat Rhythm and U studio, that
(03:24):
artist that's a pretty famous production forwhich one Rhythm Pacific title in art studio.
Just there's just that such animal,birds and animals unlimited. Okay,
so let's there was we we wentthrough that minute. We got our dance
(03:46):
already. Think about what beside horses? What other animals? Wait? Wait,
the chimps. There was the chimps, and they probably had to do
that too. There's a little bitum. So as as I look at
this site, that gives me alittle bit of um. Why didn't happen?
(04:09):
Why it didn't happen? It beginswith that. The film did gangbuster
business in its first couple of weekends, but then quickly dove off that its
returns didn't have that sustained not growth, but that sustained percentage that says,
here's the album algorithm that says we'resuccessful, and where did that come from?
(04:30):
And the audiences it was a financialsuccess, didn't impress the films because
it was absent the themes and dramaticchange changes to the story. And then
in a large way, they feltdisassociated from it. That began with the
twist ending. Even tim Roth cameout saying I couldn't understand that ending.
(04:50):
I've seen it twice and I don'tunderstand anything. Tim Roth was like,
oh, we'll tell you about peopleshitting on your own work, but I
mean, you're not one of thework work with those same people again,
and are you ready for this?Because the guy went on to marry or
Helen a Bottom. Carter, whoplayed already said I thought it made sense
kind of. I don't understand whyeverybody went hunt. It's all a time
(05:11):
work thing. He's gone back andhe rolls the stays beat him. Okay,
yeah, but no, but that'sjust like saying, all right.
At the end of Star Wars,after Luke Skywalker blows up the death star
Bader just is hanging out with therebels now saying good job son. Yeah,
well no, there's no there's noimpetus to do any of that.
There's no reason you set nothing upjust to say huh okayl yeah. And
(05:38):
I think that that ends up beingwhy was there no sequel? Box office
trailed off when excitement died down,other things happened, people didn't stay with
it, it didn't continue to That'san impressive four to one return. If
I made a film that was attwo point five million dollars budget and I
made ten billion bucks, then everybody'smade money and everybody's happy because it's a
(05:58):
small investment. But when it's ahundred million, it gets four hundred with
hidden cost of marketing and all thatkind of thing. That's not the same.
And I don't think that. Soyou've got diminishing returns, confusion.
On the ending, nobody feels compelled. There's not a cliffhanger. It's not
(06:18):
hey, Luke, I'm your fatherand you have to go find your friend
in carbonite. That's at least Iwant to find out. Is there anything
that anybody wants to find out inthe end of this film? Why the
fuck they wrote that ending, Idon't I'm not worried about Leo. I
think it's just a shitty turn forhim. He ended up in eight pel
(06:41):
Well. Now, yeah, nowhe's at least he's not in the middle
of a weird jungle desert planet withswamps. At least he's in an environment
he can have this. This cameup in when we were talking about when
this was released, and six weeksish after this moment was September eleventh,
thousand and one, nine to eleven, six weeks after about Yeah, this
(07:02):
was July. It released July twentyseventh, and that was September eleventh.
Yeah, the when the Twin Towersfell. So I wonder if tonally things
had changed in art at that timeas well, that would have made this
unattracted to revisit. Yeah, youthink about that that. I don't know
what the impact I'd have to it'sweird. I needed would like to go
(07:23):
back and kind of see pay attentionto what was happening in charts and media
at the time, and see whatwas being produced. Six months to a
year later, two years Battlestar Galacticcame. It's retelling it that came shortly
after nine to eleven, when RonaldMoore was given that, if he'd been
given that properly around that time,but then that happened, he thought,
while we can tell that story.And I wonder to that point, if
(07:44):
they looked at this and thought thisis irrelevant now right, this has nothing
to do with it. The worldis because so much of art was reflective
of that for quite a while.When you do something that has either more
impact or something that that or isgood escape as couldn't you couldn't you find
something about the feeling of your safetytorn away? Because I think that's what
(08:07):
we all. I think that's oneof the common things we felt with nine
to eleven was we felt this serenitythat we're in this isolated country that is
surrounded by water and no one canget to us, and then suddenly somebody
did it. You could we neverhad a foreign attack on our land,
and you would think maybe that couldbe the theme that you touched on with
Leo. But then again, whenit's only a four to one return,
(08:28):
one hundred million dollars bunch, that'snot enough to worry about. Yeah,
I mean it's come down to money. It has to huh, which is
sad, but it is what Imean, who do you show business?
Who do you go back and revisitYou've you've dumped all your characters. Yeah,
they're also true. The only thingyou do is because somehow they'd has
(08:48):
beaten Leo to Earth in the past. Somehow, maybe Ari has left a
message in the past that Leo isgonna get and maybe Pericle somehow has descendants
that has he. But yeah,welled about Leo. I don't know they
you know, they found the wayan escape by having them just kind of
magically go back in time. Okay, that's a good point, right,
(09:11):
they found away escape to bring themback, But the planety of film here
would either have to follow Leo's pathwith how the characters on the first Yeah,
we're not going to see any ofthem because they will find out how
this world transformed. Words, Leowould not be a part of Do you
to that point? Do you thinkthere was any of the oh, we're
kind of doing a little bit ofescape here where we're letting a little time
war happening. He goes back intime to where they were jumping for that.
(09:33):
I don't think they were thinking aboutI don't think he was thinking about
they were just trying to do anothertwist, and I think I think saw
him being too kind. And theidea of the excuse that it's a time
travel movie was just something they weretrying to say to get people to get
off the back. So I don'tthink they really thought this was a time
travel because yeah, and if theydid, they don't know what time travel
(09:54):
movies, because yeah, it wasnot set up as a time travel because
the only time travel was him goingfor word in the future. We didn't
know about that till yeah, andthen him going back to the past.
Also at the very very end.Time travel movie would have established these weird
parameters and norms from the beginning,and they didn't. And also it would
have set up that Pericles would haveshown up first, I mean, because
(10:18):
Davidson shows up second. I mean, it's just it's so sloppy with time
travel. It's just basically they're saying, it's like a little kid going and
then this happened, and then youwent in past, and then this kid
guy went in the past too,but he came out before you. But
then the other guy came and thenhe went in the past and went backwards
instead. Even in Planet. Wesaw the spinning the movie at the beginning,
(10:39):
at the very very beginning, thoughevery instruments are going crazy right as
a tease to what was actually happening. This one didn't give this any of
that until last part of the film. You think about again, good time
travel films, back to the futureand and please if they're more telling me
you But time after time that Malcolmmcdowal thing where he goes back and it's
checked the ripper falls, that's agreat somewhere in time is schmalty, but
(11:03):
it's time travel makes sense, yes, and it also uses time travel to
break your heart. It uses asyou know, if you take time from
the equation just loves. It's acheesy thing, but at the same time
it's beautiful, this one. Youcan't make a time travel film if you've
not established any any discussion about time. Yeah, time has to be it
(11:24):
has to be that ongoing metaphor forit of what is time? What does
it mean to the moment? Allthose kind of things. I mean,
it's such a grab to make thisa time travel It's not a time travel
movie. It's a movie that happenedto have time travel in as an element
of it. It's not a timetravel movie because the only mentions of time
are when Leo needs to get somewhereand was an eighteen hours, it's got
(11:48):
a day and a half. Yeah, thirty six, thirty six hours.
I knew it was some arbiturning numberlike that. That's the only mention of
time. I don't think we seethat with the pericle stuff at the top.
No, the Earth is not runningout of time with the cloud that's
making weird shit happened. There's noteven any real meaning when you look at
like the Semis and the Khalima stuff. Like at least with Star Trek the
movie, a Veder had a referenceto something that would make sense for it.
(12:11):
Yeah, right, Kalima didn't reallymean anything much. Caution live animals
or Semis didn't really have any meaningeither, Like it just didn't have any
impact. There was one thing Iread with the production designer that they were
baffled by the end too, becausethe way that they understood it was the
whole thing that the Oberon was supposedto be evocative of the Statue of Liberty,
(12:31):
that was supposed to be the moment, and that's why that's why it's
supposed to be this torch. Theysaid, that's why they changed it.
Originally it was supposed to be moreof a city, but they changed it
for the spires to look like thetorch off of that, and that was
intentional because they thought that was it. And then they they felt as though
the time travel thing was added on. They would not say that directly because
I'm sure they didn't want Tim Burtongoing fuck you, but at the same
time, I mean it could be. I think everybody felt like this was
(12:52):
tacked on. Yeah, we needwe need an ending when your actor can't
even you know, okay, TimRoth doesn't have to be in that scene,
but when he shows up, goes, uh, what how did I
end up out of the plastic bubble? And watch it a couple of times,
I still can't figure. Yeah,all right, that is it.
That is minute one eighteen. Wegot two more minutes of this boys,
and we can move on. Sowe know that the last episode. We
(13:15):
want to talk a bit about wheredo we think it's going and kind of
tease the next film what we knowat development tomorrow. Why don't we talk
about how it has been perceived ongoingand pop culture there's a little bit of
data that can show us that asfar as things is that fair. Yeah,
okay, we'll be back tomorrow.Everyone have a great day. Bye
(13:35):
bye everybody.
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