May 6, 2023 • 26 mins
Free Comic Book Day has the boys talking all things DC & Marvel yet again, and in the least surprising shift, they talk Star Wars. But it all comes to a head with a simple mantra; Like what you like!
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Right, it's in between. Seansays he has things that he thinks we
should talk about. So Sean withMica, We've had a lot of things
come out recently. We've got theflash trailer just came out. We had
the Marvel's trailer come out recently,and I watched new Guardians trailer come out
for the last Guardians of Galaxy movie, which is what out next week,
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and so when next week's last episodecomes out, Guardians should be out there.
Okay, so let's start with flashtrailers since you started there, that's
the only thing of those now.I think I've seen the Guardians tray,
I've not seen the Marvels flash thoughts. Looks like a good Batman film,
very interesting. Yeah, they're leaningvery heavily on Michael Keaton's character, so
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I think they're on the advertising.I think they're backing away from Ezra Miller
in addition just leaning on Michael Keaton'sreturn. I think they're also backing away
from Ezrameler, I think, andI think that was a pretty smart mood
the way they handled it to tomake to say this story is based on
the past and what you can doand if you could change it and those
kind of things, but it's alsowhat makes us who we are. I
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even thought that's kind of interesting withwhat ass going through, you're kind of
almost saying character type things and whatnot. I think it's a pretty smart marketing
move. Well. I liked seeingMichael Keaton. I liked seeing um Ben
Affleck pop up. Yeah. Ilike this idea that there's a Superwoman,
Supergirl whatever they call her UM.In all the opportunity to do this movie,
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we need two Ezra Miller's I didn'treally. I didn't know why we
needed two versions of the same characters, two flash versions of the same that
weren't. I'm assuming he's somehow becausebecause they have in Michael Keaton character in
here and not a Ben Affleck character, that somehow he didn't really change time.
I think assuming he hopped multiverses andOHM because that's why there is a
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second rall. I know. Ijust thought of all the missed opportunities of
being able to show a case otherDC characters two flashes. Yeah. I
do like the fact that you seein one scene that basically they've modified Batman's
outfit flash out. I've seen thattoy already and I thought, at least
now I know why they took aBatman outfit made it into the Flash constant
um. What I don't get withthe two Ezra Miller's is every Batman is
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a different actor and completely different yethave to be the same with Verry Alan,
it's the same purpose. It's kindof it was kind of my point,
like the missed opportunity to do adifferent actor, different costume, different
flash character, right right, noteven just Flash himself do kid flash do
um? Uh yeah, just ablank doesn't matter, just one of the
just quick, yeah, exactly.I would love to have seen a different
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actor or a different character entirely,even if they were still the same Flash.
I so in the cut of it. Look, I I have no
problem with Michael Keaton is Batman.He's not my version of what Batman is.
Like what I hated in that traileryou want to get nuts? I
was like, oh, because thatwas one thing said to the Joker one
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time. It's not like Ki's phraseor something. No, And it's like,
you know, if he'd gone aBatman that I'm okay with. I'm
vengeance, I don't care, butyou're a good nuts. I thought that
is so bad because if he maybeif he had said it and Batman returned,
so it was like a third callback to it. But no,
I mean it just a line fromthe movie one time that yeah, now
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did you hear the word that CinemaConthat they actually screened the print as it
is now, And that's a that'sa pretty damn good sign when a company
comes in and says we're gonna letyou see the film and it is rough,
there's still things to be done,and they did not have an embargo
on it. Yeah, tweeters andthey're like whatever you want to say,
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because they knew, they know theyhave a hit, so they know it's
strong. And you know, thisis a guy that made the It films,
and the first it is wonderfully made. The second one gets a little
ponderous. It's you know, itcould be trimmed down. But he's a
good filmmaker, so hopefully he's madea good film. So I've watched a
video recently it's like how trailers trickyou because there's recently been a lawsuit about
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that movie about the Beatles where theBeatles never existed and oh yesterday, and
the trailer and armist is in it, but she's not in the final movie.
Until they were the lawsuit saying it'sthis misleading and all this stuff.
And so this guy was doing abreakdown on how trailers are made and how
they try to trick you, andthey said, basically, they do one
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or two things. They put allthe good stuff in it because that's all
they have to show you, andyou know it's going to be pizza garbage
because you saw all the good stuffin the trailer, or they put all
the good stuff from the first thirdof the movie in it, and then
you know that, oh my god, I saw all the good stuff,
but I've still got an hour ofthe movie to go. So hopefully this
flash stuff, we're seeing all thegood stuff from the first third of the
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movie, and there ship that wedon't even know that's still gonna I think
the thing that starr for the flashis that you the first trailer, when
it was the reveals if you're aBatman, that was already fun, and
now this one is a much morestory focused and then you start going,
oh, there's actually possibly something herethen zos in it, and we can
we can add all these different elementsto the film. And I didn't feel
like I was just seeing a reiterationwith new shit. I felt like I
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was seeing a new level of it. So I think that's good. Back
to that yesterday too, I thoughtthat that is people just trying to find
something. It's like, I'm reallysorry you didn't get to see the beautiful
girl in this film. She's notthe point of the film. Yeah,
she is a cameo in the fuckingfilm. And the filmmaker came in,
who's a good fucking filmmaker went yeah, that point don't need it. I
mean, at what point do youget to like, um uh, I'm
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a Deadpool too, where you hadwhole scenes in there that was supposed to
mislead you and think that X Forcewas alive and the whole thing, and
you know, the having fight scenesin the trailer and then in the movie
they die. The whole thing wassupposed to mislead you about that. Well,
look at Hereditary. Yeah you thoughtabout the daughter. You thought it
was about that little girl and splat, you know, But that's point that
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was. That was the whole pointof the trailer. And that's part of
why that marketing was brilliant, becausewhenever it got there, I was like
one the yes, because the wholetime I've been going, how are they
going to walk this back? Yeah? Knocked off? Wait, it's about
what the hell? Yeah? Welland then splat, you know, and
it changes everything. Hey, yeah, you tell us that's right. Gertie
felt the same way. Splat,he didn't buy this ship. So people
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and that kind of thing. Shutthe fuck up. I mean really,
to me, that feels like somebodytrying to scam money. And are you
gonna also sue McDonald's for their bigMac commercial where they say they put cheese
on it, because that ain't realcheese either. You know. It's like
everything in the world can be constructed, miscont whatnot? I mean, so
basically every trailer should have a disclaimer, just like a game trailer saying not
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final product, alpha alpha footage,final product may change. That's all you
have to put on it. Thenthat's am I gonna. Now, I'm
sorry you called that pickle beer,but I didn't think it tastes like pickle.
I thought, yeah, shut thefuck up, it's not enough.
You guys are really I hate peoplethat do that, Like, give me
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like a break. It just feelslike they're trying to be contrary, just
to be contrary. All right,Marvels, is this the one that has
Bree Larson And Okay, I didwatch half of a trailer and it's kind
of like, oh, it looksgreat, Toe, it looks so much
fun. I never watched Miss Marvelor whatever you I heard it was cute.
I just never got so so thisthis. I've had a lot of
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folks come to the store and tellme how burnt that they are and watching
superhero movies right now, and thenI really, that's a real thing,
and they're really burnt out on thisidea, particularly in the Marvel universe,
of them trying to create grander,bigger things. And that's why one of
the reasons I've heard aunt Man didn'tdidn't do so well because people just didn't
want to go see that, orwhen they did see it, they came
back, Yeah, we don't needto build the next big thing. I
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just want to have to tell astory. Yeah, and the Marvels to
me looks like that. It lookslike this looks fun. I want to
go watch that. I think that'swhy the first Shizam did so well.
It is because it was just funand have either of you seen the new
one yet. I haven't, butI did go ahead and buy the DVD,
and I'll be here next month whenit comes out on HP or whatever.
I'll finally watch it. I justcan't bring much. We didn't go
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see it, man, we didn't. We didn't go see the second.
We didn't see the second. Zam. We are going to go see Guardians.
We are going to go see theMarvels. We will see the Flash.
I'll see Guardians because I like JamesGunn and how how interesting is he
that you know, before he getsGuardians. I'm not saying his film was
in the I mean, his careeris in the shitter, but that changed
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his prospects in the world massively.When Guardians comes out and it has that
almost Star Wars he kind of funwhiz baying element to it, and now
it makes him into this and youtalk about the people, and I do
think that there's a real truth toI'm a little tired of the Marvel thing
where it just feels too heavy,it's too much. And I think that
when he comes to DC and whathe's even saying, he wants to go
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back to that hope, and Ithink that you can build us things.
That's gonna be interesting. If hecan pull off Hope, keep Batman a
little dark, but somehow make himwork in that world, that's gonna be
really interesting. Think Marvel kind ofhurts themselves a little bit by trying to
always have three movies out at acareer, and then the pandemic happens and
they had to slow down, andthey had so much TV stuff going on
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and so much. But I wheneverI hear people saying, oh, I'm
getting burned out on superhero movies.Do you don't ever hear people going,
oh, like getting burned out onaction movies. You know, I'm getting
burned out on romance movies. That'sa genre. Now you can say I'm
tired of Marvel movies, but youknow I will always like superhero movies.
I don't always have to like allthe superhero movies. But I think Sean,
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wouldn't they say that? And Ifeel this too, is where it
also nobody's fortun you to watch anyof it. No, Sean, they're
not. But at the same time, I have a right to say I'm
worn out on it. I'm tiredof what I'm tired of with Marvel is
it feels like if I especially whatthey've created now, it's like if I
haven't watched all these things that Idon't know where they're going, and it's
just like, oh my god,there's two fucking much. And after a
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while, I'm like, I don'tneed another superhero film. I don't need
all those things. I want towatch other things. You know, a
film that's building upon prior films,that that's trying to be too grand,
that needs to be I don't minda quiet superhero story. That's why Marvel
The Marvels looks good because it looksfun. I'm gonna have a good time
in this movie. And maybe that'swhat I need, is something that is
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just cleans breaks it just breaks thatthat that kind of pattern. And I
think I think that's one of thereasons why Black Panther Too didn't do so
well. And I'm not just becausethe death is because they just they're trying
to be bigger than it. Justtell a good story, have some fun,
you know, give us a classicvillain, give us a superhero you
know coming up, give us somenew superhero excitement, secret identities, things
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like that, just the stuff thatyou want to see. We don't have
to. I think that the originalMarvel films felt so fresh and new because
it was building this grand story.I think you know you've lost that grand
story element because it's already been You'vecreated potentially the greatest franchise that's ever been
done, where you built all thosefilms that I had to see, and
you told the story that in theInvigors, I said a thousand times.
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I think that's those final two filmsare brilliantly assembled because they would take little
kisses from each film and put itin there. I think you've lost that.
You've you've finished that, and Ithink they need to go to this
marvelous thing maybe, and maybe thatis what I need, is start softly
or or instead of trying to stickwith the same the same baggage from all
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the films, the Avengers and soon, let's move into the X Men.
Let's move into something that dousinesssarily tieddirectly back into this and then and
it's the Freshman is a young take. I don't mean as young characters,
but I mean it's we've had acouple of movies in the past, but
they have the opportunity to kind ofbuild the same type of excitement over them
over the course of the decade,if they really really wanted to without having
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to touch on the Avengers or havingto touch on the movies they've already dined.
What about Fantastic for fantastic for usa little bit not not Gee Whizzy,
but they have a little bit ofa softer edge at points to themselves.
If they superhero it's a superer familythat I would think, because the
Fantastic Four universe, if you will, is not as big as the Avengers
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or the X Men, they won'tbe able to do you know, twelve
movies covering different characters spanned out overall this well, you know, it
depends, you know, when youconsider that Kang is a distant relative of
Read Richards, maybe that in somehow, Yeah, I think back to the
last Spider Man film where it wasreally let's get to this theme of family,
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that last one where you brought allthree actors together. You've already got
Peter with Aunt May and a youngeraunt May, where it feels very relevant
to today. I think maybe that'swhere Marvel needs to take it, or
to these stories that are a littlebit easier to digest for a while and
then you can give me the heavy. Well, we you know the from
jumping into the animated universe. Brieflywe have into the Spider verse, which
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was that it was a young Itwas the young character relating to his dad
trying to be a superhero. AndI love those kind of stories. That's
why them Is Marvel television show wasso magical for me because it was a
quiet story. It wasn't about hertrying to be a part of the grandar
Marvel universe. Oh on the veryend, and how she got her name,
and it was it was it wasall that, Okay, I'll watch
it, and I'm into those I'minto those really really good origin stories that
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aren't trying to be epic. Andalso she's happy. I don't be stuffing
a good time. She she isexcited, she loves superhero She goes through
a convention all about superheroes and allin sun she has superhero power. And
I felt like she tried to havesome of that fun. But it just
felt like for some reason something wasoff throughout it. I just never got
excited about any of it, butI felt like they tried to have that.
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Let's take a different look on thesethings, and I think by the
end it got a little bit jumbled. No, it's kind of She was
probably a bee for me. Overall. I liked the ideas that they were
putting into it, but I don'tthink they fully committed to some of those
ideas. They didn't commit to theAli mcbiel esque of the shows. They
had leaned a little wornut that mighthave been more interesting. I thought that
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was the key, is that it'slike you wanted it, but you were
afraid to commit to it. Shewould only break the fourth wall like once
an episode. She probably should havedone maybe a few more times. Not
overdo it, but just talk tous a couple more times. That way,
it wasn't just I'm like, ohwait, she just said something to
me, until they decided to breakthe entire wall and just go out the
Netflix and the Disney interface and climbaround and go talk to Kevin. Yeah.
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Well, you know, and they'realways going to be Marvel products.
For me, Daredevil, I'm alwayshe can be as dark as he needs
to be. I know that Disney'sprobably gonna dials on that. Back though
the showrunners and whatnot have said,we're doing still dark I just maybe we
need more of that, Maybe weneed more of these fresh takes on it.
And you you mentioned origin stories.I know that's like a trigger point
for a lot of nerds. Theydon't want to see more origin stories than
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these. But I don't mind originstories as long as you could still tell
me Bruce Wayne's origin story again,if you have a new take on it,
if you're going to bring out anew element with what it meants.
And that's why the character has doneso well for eighty years, right,
is because new writers come in andevery five years they tweak something, they
do something a little bit different.They pondered Joker's identity, they change the
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idea of who Joker could be andcouldn't be, and that's why the character
remains fresh. And we can dothat in the movie universe, which wife
had so many successful Batman films,right, And I get sometimes, yes,
we don't need to lunch back intoan origin story. Launched back into
origin story of a character that's very, very familiar with is if you can't
do something unique or new with it, right, I mean you were talking
about the new Peter Pan because somekids haven't seen Peter Pan before and they're
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trying to update again, much likea comic book starts off with a recap,
sometimes because it's somebody's first issue thatthey're picking up. I've never read
Batman before. This might be thefirst time they've ever seen a Batman story
before, and they need that originbecause they don't know it. So you
can't assume that your audience knows everythinggoing in, even though your audience probably
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does know everything going well. Okay, so you talk about Batman, that's
the easy one with origin stories,Probably he and Superman those are probably I
would Superman, spider Man. Maybein spider Man, yeah, I think
of the origin stories that are likeintereting to who that person is, So
you could look at any of those. Clark Kent, you know, is
it the story of Moses that liberatesthem and the parents that give them up,
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or is it more of a storyof adoption of people that bring in
somebody that isn't thrown their elmis Areyou tweak those? Is Bruce about the
shadow that lingers over you for theviolence you witness, or is it the
longing of parents that were never there? There are things you can do with
each one of those, And Ithink as long as they find new ways
to introduce it. I tell youit's interesting. Grant Morrison, I think
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did the best brief introduction of arecap of an origin for Superman when he
did All Stars Superman and pulled upthat first page and it's literally for eight
words, it's doom planet, desperatescientist, last hope. Kindly couple,
Yeah, that Superman's origin. Yeah. So I have to ask this because
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we've talked a bit about the differentBatman, and I will I will warn
before I ask the two of you, I can't pick one. But of
these the silver screen Batman, who'syour Batman? Oh? Who is my
Batman? Of the actors that arebetrayed him on screen, Adam West is
not a part of this. I'masked, Okay, you can put at
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West in there, because you're right, he did have a silver screen moment.
If I have to say, theBatman that I've enjoyed most is really
the Ben Affleck one, because heis he did the work, like the
physical work to be a beast thatBatman needs to be, and he the
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fight scenes is what Batman does.He's brutal and he finished his fight.
He doesn't he doesn't fight perfect hegot hit signed on him. Uh,
it's not the silly Michael Keaton jiujitsu. I just pushed something out of
you and stop you. I thinkthat one's the most Batman. The second
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one would be Pattinson. After thatthat's me yep, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't havean answer for that one. I like
big, bright superheroes, Okay.Um, I don't mind underwear on the
outside. I don't mind. Idon't mind bright, colorful costumes. Um.
I did think it was innovative whenX Men turned them all to leather.
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I thought that was kind of funidea. I do. I grew
up with the Adam West Batman.Therefore I like my big, colorful superheroes.
However, um, I'm torn betweena lot of the actors from the
last two three franchises that we've seena Batman in because they're all they're all
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good actors, both Um the currentBatman, Uma, Ben Aff, Patent
Affleck, and then Christian Bale.Christian Bale because they were all they're all
shades of kind of the same characteron some level, and it's the gritty
Batman that I've grown accustomed to inthe comic book, and I can see
them all lead something with the rightwith the correct writers and directors. I
mean, ben Affleck was he was. I love that kind of physical almost
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almost Frank Miller esque, older Batman, very brought. And I really liked
Christian Bale. Um Bale was bigguy to and to that point, that's
why I was like, I can'tpick one, and mine is a combination
of all three. Christian Belle asBruce Wayne because the moments like when he
gets into the pool with the girlsand that kind of thing, it's very
Bruce Wayne kind of hey, I'mgood. But at the same time,
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you know it's calculated. He's therefor a reason, He's going to act
this way. That to me workedas Bruce Wayne. Ben Affleck as the
physicality of him one hundred percent,like the passion of the if there's even
a one per ten chance of this, we have to take an absolute certainty.
Yeah. But Pattinson to the tothe brooding nature of the detective,
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and I thought that, you know, if you ever watch his interviews,
have you become the world's greatest detective? You just have to be keenly observant.
And I think when you watch thatfilm. He and Matt Reeves together
built a character that is always looking. He's always his people are talking about
he's over here, and then he'llcome back with what he's observed. And
I'm like, that is Batman inthat regard to me. And we've only
had one movie so far with Pattinson. I think what Affleck and Bale kind
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of suffered from is that the franchisesof the moments they had weren't always great
because of the writer, director,or whatever's happening in the script. Right,
that's the hard part. You know. We got Batman and Superman.
We got a great Batman, butI didn't like anything that was funny,
well that was good, I didn't. I didn't think that their interaction was
great, and like how it resolveditself, like the singer kind of dragged
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it down a little bit. Weget to Christian Bale, and I thought
we had a great second movie inparticular because of that's a brilliant crime movie.
Even if you take Batman out ofit's a great crime movie. And
then we moved into the third onewith with Baine as well, so they're
all a little bit, you know, with the exception of patents and kind
of a little kind of mired inthe directions of the films, went or
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moments that just keep at them frombeing the Batman. I think the one
thing that gives me hope with MattReeves is again what you're going to see
in these two films that he directshere. They are very consistent tone wise,
and they do not want to buildon each other. Yeah, it
is literally like I understand what I'vecreated and I'm gonna go. And so
when Reeves is then doing this wholePenguin series two, that's kind of like
I'm going to develop this little undercurrentthat we can go from there. I
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have a really good feeling. Ijust I hope. I hope that Warner
Brothers keep saying we'll do these elsewhereold films and let you do that outside
of it, because I don't wantto step away from it. I think
they've created something that's changing. Ithink James Gunn is gonna I think he's
a good person in that way.Well, you look at the properties that
he's picked, and they almost soundlike they're not to be connected. I
mean, you look at Supergirl,Woman of Tomorrow, you look at Creature
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Commandos. You look at the factthat Peacemaker's going continue and you're like,
these these feel like all like they'rea little bit else worlds films that may
have some type of connection. Thenmaybe the Flash film will explain what exactly
what's going on, and maybe itjust sort of clears the palette of everything
that existed before so we can behere. I know that he's scrubbed.
There were talks of a Galgadote cameothat they killed out of that, and
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then they were like Henry cavill Iwould admitted I like him. I think
he's an interesting actor. I thoughthe's a really good superman. I thought
he was too. I thought hisfilm was not fair to him. I
thought he could have brought a lotto that that that wasn't there. I
do have to did you'll read thequote about Michael Shannon was almost going to
refuse to do the Flash because hewent to them and said, I don't
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like the way you treated Zack Snyder. I really like Zach. I thought
that what you did to him wasunfair with the whole thing with his daughter
committing suicide. And I thought,well, good on Michael Shannon and Peter
Muscovich and someone else asked him.They reached out to Zack Snyder, say
would you talk? And Zack Snyder'sone that told him please do the film
because apparently they're trying to be respectfulin this film to Zach creator what he's
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done and try to kind of giveit a culmination. So I thought,
pretty classy move for Zack Snyder,who did get one of the most unfair
treatments of a studio towards the director. You know, your child commit suicide
and you use that as a chanceto take a film away, and we
can, you know, sitting here, you know, criticizing some of the
films we've seen DC films, specificallyZack Snyder, who's in charge of UM,
I still wouldn't want to see amovie Universe shit on his work.
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I would rather have the movie payrespect exactly. I mean, I didn't
you know we talk about we getto the silliness of the later Batman films
that um what's his name schert.I still don't want to see the movie
Universe, just like you know,to viscerrate those movies that I could.
You can still be lovingly to theI can laugh at them all yeah,
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it's not going to happen. Butif a George Clooney or a Val Kilmer
Batman showed up in the Flash movie, you wouldn't You'd be happy with that
with that. But if they showedup and all of a sudden you had
like the Joker just shooting them inthe face, you go, what the
fuck would the point of that?Yeah? Exactly. I think if Zack
Snyder instead of taking on Man ofSteel than all the trying to cramp Batman
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into it, I think his sensibilitiescould have been good to Batman film Man
alone. I could just see himreally get that. I think where his
sensibilities to me don't work are withSuperman, because Superman you always have to
have that kind of current of hope, goodness that somehow, yeah, I
have all these powers, but it'sthis that makes me better. And I'm
pointing in my head, in myheart, I think that that's what he
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missed in that first film. Forme, I watched it, well,
that's what that's what I've elected acharacter. I'm sorry, but he is
some people, he's something. Heis some fans first Superman. Yeah,
and I've had to come in andtell me how much. They love those
movies and they were that's their supermanum So even though it's the same as
a Star Wars prequel, person wouldtell you that that we may hate them.
Yeah, I get that it does. Yeah, so so I I'm
not a I don't want being withyou guys talking on the podcast to kind
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of share my views of a particularcharacter, movie or whatever. But I
would never want to intentionally just kindof dump on somebody based upon their their
like or love of something. Ifound that with you, though. We
just stud it with this last Okay, this last movie is a different creature.
But as long as you're not activelyhurting somebody else, enjoy whatever garbage
you want to. Yeah. WellI took my nephew. See, he's
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thirteen now. He gets his feelingshurt when I say he loves Star Wars
and he loves the prequels, andI'm like, yeah, they're not that
good, and what I and Itry to have the talk with him,
here's what they're missing. He's notready for that because to him they're romantic
movies. They're these beautiful, hopefulspace movies. And I think one day
he'll probably look at it and goOkay, I kind of see it's missing
(25:45):
x y Z, but you're right, it's not my place to shit upon
it. If you love it,love it. And I tell him all
the time, I'm like, justbecause I don't like it doesn't mean that
you can't love it. And Ithink if we could all get to that
point where I can say that RealHousewives. JD in there watching Real Housewives
and you're out here going I've neverwatched why this? And I understand why
people watch it. He just likesit. I don't care for it.
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But it's the same as that Seandrinks pickle beer and Richard and I both
are like getting the heebeejeebs as he'sdrinking it. Justau people have no taste.
Well, we all have different taste, And if we could just re
respectful of I don't like it,but I hope you love it. You
know. Yeah, that sounds likean in between. I think that's it.
How long do we just talk?Twenty six minutes and twenty five seconds?
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But that's the last in between.Goodness, we won't do one next
week because they end of the weekwill happen. But what about all the
drama between now and next week?Oh, I don't know. I think
maybe we'll have to get over acouple of beers and some Mexican food or
something like that. Okay, allright, that's it. We'll be back
and we'll finish the movie. Up. Everyone, have a great weekend.
Bye bye, everybody.
Right, it's in between. Seansays he has things that he thinks we
should talk about. So Sean withMica, We've had a lot of things
come out recently. We've got theflash trailer just came out. We had
the Marvel's trailer come out recently,and I watched new Guardians trailer come out
for the last Guardians of Galaxy movie, which is what out next week,
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and so when next week's last episodecomes out, Guardians should be out there.
Okay, so let's start with flashtrailers since you started there, that's
the only thing of those now.I think I've seen the Guardians tray,
I've not seen the Marvels flash thoughts. Looks like a good Batman film,
very interesting. Yeah, they're leaningvery heavily on Michael Keaton's character, so
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I think they're on the advertising.I think they're backing away from Ezra Miller
in addition just leaning on Michael Keaton'sreturn. I think they're also backing away
from Ezrameler, I think, andI think that was a pretty smart mood
the way they handled it to tomake to say this story is based on
the past and what you can doand if you could change it and those
kind of things, but it's alsowhat makes us who we are. I
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even thought that's kind of interesting withwhat ass going through, you're kind of
almost saying character type things and whatnot. I think it's a pretty smart marketing
move. Well. I liked seeingMichael Keaton. I liked seeing um Ben
Affleck pop up. Yeah. Ilike this idea that there's a Superwoman,
Supergirl whatever they call her UM.In all the opportunity to do this movie,
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we need two Ezra Miller's I didn'treally. I didn't know why we
needed two versions of the same characters, two flash versions of the same that
weren't. I'm assuming he's somehow becausebecause they have in Michael Keaton character in
here and not a Ben Affleck character, that somehow he didn't really change time.
I think assuming he hopped multiverses andOHM because that's why there is a
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second rall. I know. Ijust thought of all the missed opportunities of
being able to show a case otherDC characters two flashes. Yeah. I
do like the fact that you seein one scene that basically they've modified Batman's
outfit flash out. I've seen thattoy already and I thought, at least
now I know why they took aBatman outfit made it into the Flash constant
um. What I don't get withthe two Ezra Miller's is every Batman is
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a different actor and completely different yethave to be the same with Verry Alan,
it's the same purpose. It's kindof it was kind of my point,
like the missed opportunity to do adifferent actor, different costume, different
flash character, right right, noteven just Flash himself do kid flash do
um? Uh yeah, just ablank doesn't matter, just one of the
just quick, yeah, exactly.I would love to have seen a different
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actor or a different character entirely,even if they were still the same Flash.
I so in the cut of it. Look, I I have no
problem with Michael Keaton is Batman.He's not my version of what Batman is.
Like what I hated in that traileryou want to get nuts? I
was like, oh, because thatwas one thing said to the Joker one
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time. It's not like Ki's phraseor something. No, And it's like,
you know, if he'd gone aBatman that I'm okay with. I'm
vengeance, I don't care, butyou're a good nuts. I thought that
is so bad because if he maybeif he had said it and Batman returned,
so it was like a third callback to it. But no,
I mean it just a line fromthe movie one time that yeah, now
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did you hear the word that CinemaConthat they actually screened the print as it
is now, And that's a that'sa pretty damn good sign when a company
comes in and says we're gonna letyou see the film and it is rough,
there's still things to be done,and they did not have an embargo
on it. Yeah, tweeters andthey're like whatever you want to say,
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because they knew, they know theyhave a hit, so they know it's
strong. And you know, thisis a guy that made the It films,
and the first it is wonderfully made. The second one gets a little
ponderous. It's you know, itcould be trimmed down. But he's a
good filmmaker, so hopefully he's madea good film. So I've watched a
video recently it's like how trailers trickyou because there's recently been a lawsuit about
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that movie about the Beatles where theBeatles never existed and oh yesterday, and
the trailer and armist is in it, but she's not in the final movie.
Until they were the lawsuit saying it'sthis misleading and all this stuff.
And so this guy was doing abreakdown on how trailers are made and how
they try to trick you, andthey said, basically, they do one
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or two things. They put allthe good stuff in it because that's all
they have to show you, andyou know it's going to be pizza garbage
because you saw all the good stuffin the trailer, or they put all
the good stuff from the first thirdof the movie in it, and then
you know that, oh my god, I saw all the good stuff,
but I've still got an hour ofthe movie to go. So hopefully this
flash stuff, we're seeing all thegood stuff from the first third of the
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movie, and there ship that wedon't even know that's still gonna I think
the thing that starr for the flashis that you the first trailer, when
it was the reveals if you're aBatman, that was already fun, and
now this one is a much morestory focused and then you start going,
oh, there's actually possibly something herethen zos in it, and we can
we can add all these different elementsto the film. And I didn't feel
like I was just seeing a reiterationwith new shit. I felt like I
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was seeing a new level of it. So I think that's good. Back
to that yesterday too, I thoughtthat that is people just trying to find
something. It's like, I'm reallysorry you didn't get to see the beautiful
girl in this film. She's notthe point of the film. Yeah,
she is a cameo in the fuckingfilm. And the filmmaker came in,
who's a good fucking filmmaker went yeah, that point don't need it. I
mean, at what point do youget to like, um uh, I'm
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a Deadpool too, where you hadwhole scenes in there that was supposed to
mislead you and think that X Forcewas alive and the whole thing, and
you know, the having fight scenesin the trailer and then in the movie
they die. The whole thing wassupposed to mislead you about that. Well,
look at Hereditary. Yeah you thoughtabout the daughter. You thought it
was about that little girl and splat, you know, But that's point that
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was. That was the whole pointof the trailer. And that's part of
why that marketing was brilliant, becausewhenever it got there, I was like
one the yes, because the wholetime I've been going, how are they
going to walk this back? Yeah? Knocked off? Wait, it's about
what the hell? Yeah? Welland then splat, you know, and
it changes everything. Hey, yeah, you tell us that's right. Gertie
felt the same way. Splat,he didn't buy this ship. So people
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and that kind of thing. Shutthe fuck up. I mean really,
to me, that feels like somebodytrying to scam money. And are you
gonna also sue McDonald's for their bigMac commercial where they say they put cheese
on it, because that ain't realcheese either. You know. It's like
everything in the world can be constructed, miscont whatnot? I mean, so
basically every trailer should have a disclaimer, just like a game trailer saying not
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final product, alpha alpha footage,final product may change. That's all you
have to put on it. Thenthat's am I gonna. Now, I'm
sorry you called that pickle beer,but I didn't think it tastes like pickle.
I thought, yeah, shut thefuck up, it's not enough.
You guys are really I hate peoplethat do that, Like, give me
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like a break. It just feelslike they're trying to be contrary, just
to be contrary. All right,Marvels, is this the one that has
Bree Larson And Okay, I didwatch half of a trailer and it's kind
of like, oh, it looksgreat, Toe, it looks so much
fun. I never watched Miss Marvelor whatever you I heard it was cute.
I just never got so so thisthis. I've had a lot of
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folks come to the store and tellme how burnt that they are and watching
superhero movies right now, and thenI really, that's a real thing,
and they're really burnt out on thisidea, particularly in the Marvel universe,
of them trying to create grander,bigger things. And that's why one of
the reasons I've heard aunt Man didn'tdidn't do so well because people just didn't
want to go see that, orwhen they did see it, they came
back, Yeah, we don't needto build the next big thing. I
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just want to have to tell astory. Yeah, and the Marvels to
me looks like that. It lookslike this looks fun. I want to
go watch that. I think that'swhy the first Shizam did so well.
It is because it was just funand have either of you seen the new
one yet. I haven't, butI did go ahead and buy the DVD,
and I'll be here next month whenit comes out on HP or whatever.
I'll finally watch it. I justcan't bring much. We didn't go
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see it, man, we didn't. We didn't go see the second.
We didn't see the second. Zam. We are going to go see Guardians.
We are going to go see theMarvels. We will see the Flash.
I'll see Guardians because I like JamesGunn and how how interesting is he
that you know, before he getsGuardians. I'm not saying his film was
in the I mean, his careeris in the shitter, but that changed
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his prospects in the world massively.When Guardians comes out and it has that
almost Star Wars he kind of funwhiz baying element to it, and now
it makes him into this and youtalk about the people, and I do
think that there's a real truth toI'm a little tired of the Marvel thing
where it just feels too heavy,it's too much. And I think that
when he comes to DC and whathe's even saying, he wants to go
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back to that hope, and Ithink that you can build us things.
That's gonna be interesting. If hecan pull off Hope, keep Batman a
little dark, but somehow make himwork in that world, that's gonna be
really interesting. Think Marvel kind ofhurts themselves a little bit by trying to
always have three movies out at acareer, and then the pandemic happens and
they had to slow down, andthey had so much TV stuff going on
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and so much. But I wheneverI hear people saying, oh, I'm
getting burned out on superhero movies.Do you don't ever hear people going,
oh, like getting burned out onaction movies. You know, I'm getting
burned out on romance movies. That'sa genre. Now you can say I'm
tired of Marvel movies, but youknow I will always like superhero movies.
I don't always have to like allthe superhero movies. But I think Sean,
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wouldn't they say that? And Ifeel this too, is where it
also nobody's fortun you to watch anyof it. No, Sean, they're
not. But at the same time, I have a right to say I'm
worn out on it. I'm tiredof what I'm tired of with Marvel is
it feels like if I especially whatthey've created now, it's like if I
haven't watched all these things that Idon't know where they're going, and it's
just like, oh my god,there's two fucking much. And after a
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while, I'm like, I don'tneed another superhero film. I don't need
all those things. I want towatch other things. You know, a
film that's building upon prior films,that that's trying to be too grand,
that needs to be I don't minda quiet superhero story. That's why Marvel
The Marvels looks good because it looksfun. I'm gonna have a good time
in this movie. And maybe that'swhat I need, is something that is
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just cleans breaks it just breaks thatthat that kind of pattern. And I
think I think that's one of thereasons why Black Panther Too didn't do so
well. And I'm not just becausethe death is because they just they're trying
to be bigger than it. Justtell a good story, have some fun,
you know, give us a classicvillain, give us a superhero you
know coming up, give us somenew superhero excitement, secret identities, things
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like that, just the stuff thatyou want to see. We don't have
to. I think that the originalMarvel films felt so fresh and new because
it was building this grand story.I think you know you've lost that grand
story element because it's already been You'vecreated potentially the greatest franchise that's ever been
done, where you built all thosefilms that I had to see, and
you told the story that in theInvigors, I said a thousand times.
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I think that's those final two filmsare brilliantly assembled because they would take little
kisses from each film and put itin there. I think you've lost that.
You've you've finished that, and Ithink they need to go to this
marvelous thing maybe, and maybe thatis what I need, is start softly
or or instead of trying to stickwith the same the same baggage from all
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the films, the Avengers and soon, let's move into the X Men.
Let's move into something that dousinesssarily tieddirectly back into this and then and
it's the Freshman is a young take. I don't mean as young characters,
but I mean it's we've had acouple of movies in the past, but
they have the opportunity to kind ofbuild the same type of excitement over them
over the course of the decade,if they really really wanted to without having
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to touch on the Avengers or havingto touch on the movies they've already dined.
What about Fantastic for fantastic for usa little bit not not Gee Whizzy,
but they have a little bit ofa softer edge at points to themselves.
If they superhero it's a superer familythat I would think, because the
Fantastic Four universe, if you will, is not as big as the Avengers
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or the X Men, they won'tbe able to do you know, twelve
movies covering different characters spanned out overall this well, you know, it
depends, you know, when youconsider that Kang is a distant relative of
Read Richards, maybe that in somehow, Yeah, I think back to the
last Spider Man film where it wasreally let's get to this theme of family,
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that last one where you brought allthree actors together. You've already got
Peter with Aunt May and a youngeraunt May, where it feels very relevant
to today. I think maybe that'swhere Marvel needs to take it, or
to these stories that are a littlebit easier to digest for a while and
then you can give me the heavy. Well, we you know the from
jumping into the animated universe. Brieflywe have into the Spider verse, which
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was that it was a young Itwas the young character relating to his dad
trying to be a superhero. AndI love those kind of stories. That's
why them Is Marvel television show wasso magical for me because it was a
quiet story. It wasn't about hertrying to be a part of the grandar
Marvel universe. Oh on the veryend, and how she got her name,
and it was it was it wasall that, Okay, I'll watch
it, and I'm into those I'minto those really really good origin stories that
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aren't trying to be epic. Andalso she's happy. I don't be stuffing
a good time. She she isexcited, she loves superhero She goes through
a convention all about superheroes and allin sun she has superhero power. And
I felt like she tried to havesome of that fun. But it just
felt like for some reason something wasoff throughout it. I just never got
excited about any of it, butI felt like they tried to have that.
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Let's take a different look on thesethings, and I think by the
end it got a little bit jumbled. No, it's kind of She was
probably a bee for me. Overall. I liked the ideas that they were
putting into it, but I don'tthink they fully committed to some of those
ideas. They didn't commit to theAli mcbiel esque of the shows. They
had leaned a little wornut that mighthave been more interesting. I thought that
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was the key, is that it'slike you wanted it, but you were
afraid to commit to it. Shewould only break the fourth wall like once
an episode. She probably should havedone maybe a few more times. Not
overdo it, but just talk tous a couple more times. That way,
it wasn't just I'm like, ohwait, she just said something to
me, until they decided to breakthe entire wall and just go out the
Netflix and the Disney interface and climbaround and go talk to Kevin. Yeah.
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Well, you know, and they'realways going to be Marvel products.
For me, Daredevil, I'm alwayshe can be as dark as he needs
to be. I know that Disney'sprobably gonna dials on that. Back though
the showrunners and whatnot have said,we're doing still dark I just maybe we
need more of that, Maybe weneed more of these fresh takes on it.
And you you mentioned origin stories.I know that's like a trigger point
for a lot of nerds. Theydon't want to see more origin stories than
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these. But I don't mind originstories as long as you could still tell
me Bruce Wayne's origin story again,if you have a new take on it,
if you're going to bring out anew element with what it meants.
And that's why the character has doneso well for eighty years, right,
is because new writers come in andevery five years they tweak something, they
do something a little bit different.They pondered Joker's identity, they change the
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idea of who Joker could be andcouldn't be, and that's why the character
remains fresh. And we can dothat in the movie universe, which wife
had so many successful Batman films,right, And I get sometimes, yes,
we don't need to lunch back intoan origin story. Launched back into
origin story of a character that's very, very familiar with is if you can't
do something unique or new with it, right, I mean you were talking
about the new Peter Pan because somekids haven't seen Peter Pan before and they're
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trying to update again, much likea comic book starts off with a recap,
sometimes because it's somebody's first issue thatthey're picking up. I've never read
Batman before. This might be thefirst time they've ever seen a Batman story
before, and they need that originbecause they don't know it. So you
can't assume that your audience knows everythinggoing in, even though your audience probably
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does know everything going well. Okay, so you talk about Batman, that's
the easy one with origin stories,Probably he and Superman those are probably I
would Superman, spider Man. Maybein spider Man, yeah, I think
of the origin stories that are likeintereting to who that person is, So
you could look at any of those. Clark Kent, you know, is
it the story of Moses that liberatesthem and the parents that give them up,
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or is it more of a storyof adoption of people that bring in
somebody that isn't thrown their elmis Areyou tweak those? Is Bruce about the
shadow that lingers over you for theviolence you witness, or is it the
longing of parents that were never there? There are things you can do with
each one of those, And Ithink as long as they find new ways
to introduce it. I tell youit's interesting. Grant Morrison, I think
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did the best brief introduction of arecap of an origin for Superman when he
did All Stars Superman and pulled upthat first page and it's literally for eight
words, it's doom planet, desperatescientist, last hope. Kindly couple,
Yeah, that Superman's origin. Yeah. So I have to ask this because
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we've talked a bit about the differentBatman, and I will I will warn
before I ask the two of you, I can't pick one. But of
these the silver screen Batman, who'syour Batman? Oh? Who is my
Batman? Of the actors that arebetrayed him on screen, Adam West is
not a part of this. I'masked, Okay, you can put at
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West in there, because you're right, he did have a silver screen moment.
If I have to say, theBatman that I've enjoyed most is really
the Ben Affleck one, because heis he did the work, like the
physical work to be a beast thatBatman needs to be, and he the
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fight scenes is what Batman does.He's brutal and he finished his fight.
He doesn't he doesn't fight perfect hegot hit signed on him. Uh,
it's not the silly Michael Keaton jiujitsu. I just pushed something out of
you and stop you. I thinkthat one's the most Batman. The second
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one would be Pattinson. After thatthat's me yep, I don't know.
I don't know. I don't havean answer for that one. I like
big, bright superheroes, Okay.Um, I don't mind underwear on the
outside. I don't mind. Idon't mind bright, colorful costumes. Um.
I did think it was innovative whenX Men turned them all to leather.
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I thought that was kind of funidea. I do. I grew
up with the Adam West Batman.Therefore I like my big, colorful superheroes.
However, um, I'm torn betweena lot of the actors from the
last two three franchises that we've seena Batman in because they're all they're all
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good actors, both Um the currentBatman, Uma, Ben Aff, Patent
Affleck, and then Christian Bale.Christian Bale because they were all they're all
shades of kind of the same characteron some level, and it's the gritty
Batman that I've grown accustomed to inthe comic book, and I can see
them all lead something with the rightwith the correct writers and directors. I
mean, ben Affleck was he was. I love that kind of physical almost
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almost Frank Miller esque, older Batman, very brought. And I really liked
Christian Bale. Um Bale was bigguy to and to that point, that's
why I was like, I can'tpick one, and mine is a combination
of all three. Christian Belle asBruce Wayne because the moments like when he
gets into the pool with the girlsand that kind of thing, it's very
Bruce Wayne kind of hey, I'mgood. But at the same time,
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you know it's calculated. He's therefor a reason, He's going to act
this way. That to me workedas Bruce Wayne. Ben Affleck as the
physicality of him one hundred percent,like the passion of the if there's even
a one per ten chance of this, we have to take an absolute certainty.
Yeah. But Pattinson to the tothe brooding nature of the detective,
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and I thought that, you know, if you ever watch his interviews,
have you become the world's greatest detective? You just have to be keenly observant.
And I think when you watch thatfilm. He and Matt Reeves together
built a character that is always looking. He's always his people are talking about
he's over here, and then he'llcome back with what he's observed. And
I'm like, that is Batman inthat regard to me. And we've only
had one movie so far with Pattinson. I think what Affleck and Bale kind
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of suffered from is that the franchisesof the moments they had weren't always great
because of the writer, director,or whatever's happening in the script. Right,
that's the hard part. You know. We got Batman and Superman.
We got a great Batman, butI didn't like anything that was funny,
well that was good, I didn't. I didn't think that their interaction was
great, and like how it resolveditself, like the singer kind of dragged
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it down a little bit. Weget to Christian Bale, and I thought
we had a great second movie inparticular because of that's a brilliant crime movie.
Even if you take Batman out ofit's a great crime movie. And
then we moved into the third onewith with Baine as well, so they're
all a little bit, you know, with the exception of patents and kind
of a little kind of mired inthe directions of the films, went or
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moments that just keep at them frombeing the Batman. I think the one
thing that gives me hope with MattReeves is again what you're going to see
in these two films that he directshere. They are very consistent tone wise,
and they do not want to buildon each other. Yeah, it
is literally like I understand what I'vecreated and I'm gonna go. And so
when Reeves is then doing this wholePenguin series two, that's kind of like
I'm going to develop this little undercurrentthat we can go from there. I
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have a really good feeling. Ijust I hope. I hope that Warner
Brothers keep saying we'll do these elsewhereold films and let you do that outside
of it, because I don't wantto step away from it. I think
they've created something that's changing. Ithink James Gunn is gonna I think he's
a good person in that way.Well, you look at the properties that
he's picked, and they almost soundlike they're not to be connected. I
mean, you look at Supergirl,Woman of Tomorrow, you look at Creature
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Commandos. You look at the factthat Peacemaker's going continue and you're like,
these these feel like all like they'rea little bit else worlds films that may
have some type of connection. Thenmaybe the Flash film will explain what exactly
what's going on, and maybe itjust sort of clears the palette of everything
that existed before so we can behere. I know that he's scrubbed.
There were talks of a Galgadote cameothat they killed out of that, and
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then they were like Henry cavill Iwould admitted I like him. I think
he's an interesting actor. I thoughthe's a really good superman. I thought
he was too. I thought hisfilm was not fair to him. I
thought he could have brought a lotto that that that wasn't there. I
do have to did you'll read thequote about Michael Shannon was almost going to
refuse to do the Flash because hewent to them and said, I don't
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like the way you treated Zack Snyder. I really like Zach. I thought
that what you did to him wasunfair with the whole thing with his daughter
committing suicide. And I thought,well, good on Michael Shannon and Peter
Muscovich and someone else asked him.They reached out to Zack Snyder, say
would you talk? And Zack Snyder'sone that told him please do the film
because apparently they're trying to be respectfulin this film to Zach creator what he's
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done and try to kind of giveit a culmination. So I thought,
pretty classy move for Zack Snyder,who did get one of the most unfair
treatments of a studio towards the director. You know, your child commit suicide
and you use that as a chanceto take a film away, and we
can, you know, sitting here, you know, criticizing some of the
films we've seen DC films, specificallyZack Snyder, who's in charge of UM,
I still wouldn't want to see amovie Universe shit on his work.
(23:30):
I would rather have the movie payrespect exactly. I mean, I didn't
you know we talk about we getto the silliness of the later Batman films
that um what's his name schert.I still don't want to see the movie
Universe, just like you know,to viscerrate those movies that I could.
You can still be lovingly to theI can laugh at them all yeah,
(23:51):
it's not going to happen. Butif a George Clooney or a Val Kilmer
Batman showed up in the Flash movie, you wouldn't You'd be happy with that
with that. But if they showedup and all of a sudden you had
like the Joker just shooting them inthe face, you go, what the
fuck would the point of that?Yeah? Exactly. I think if Zack
Snyder instead of taking on Man ofSteel than all the trying to cramp Batman
(24:14):
into it, I think his sensibilitiescould have been good to Batman film Man
alone. I could just see himreally get that. I think where his
sensibilities to me don't work are withSuperman, because Superman you always have to
have that kind of current of hope, goodness that somehow, yeah, I
have all these powers, but it'sthis that makes me better. And I'm
pointing in my head, in myheart, I think that that's what he
(24:37):
missed in that first film. Forme, I watched it, well,
that's what that's what I've elected acharacter. I'm sorry, but he is
some people, he's something. Heis some fans first Superman. Yeah,
and I've had to come in andtell me how much. They love those
movies and they were that's their supermanum So even though it's the same as
a Star Wars prequel, person wouldtell you that that we may hate them.
Yeah, I get that it does. Yeah, so so I I'm
not a I don't want being withyou guys talking on the podcast to kind
(25:00):
of share my views of a particularcharacter, movie or whatever. But I
would never want to intentionally just kindof dump on somebody based upon their their
like or love of something. Ifound that with you, though. We
just stud it with this last Okay, this last movie is a different creature.
But as long as you're not activelyhurting somebody else, enjoy whatever garbage
you want to. Yeah. WellI took my nephew. See, he's
(25:22):
thirteen now. He gets his feelingshurt when I say he loves Star Wars
and he loves the prequels, andI'm like, yeah, they're not that
good, and what I and Itry to have the talk with him,
here's what they're missing. He's notready for that because to him they're romantic
movies. They're these beautiful, hopefulspace movies. And I think one day
he'll probably look at it and goOkay, I kind of see it's missing
(25:45):
x y Z, but you're right, it's not my place to shit upon
it. If you love it,love it. And I tell him all
the time, I'm like, justbecause I don't like it doesn't mean that
you can't love it. And Ithink if we could all get to that
point where I can say that RealHousewives. JD in there watching Real Housewives
and you're out here going I've neverwatched why this? And I understand why
people watch it. He just likesit. I don't care for it.
(26:07):
But it's the same as that Seandrinks pickle beer and Richard and I both
are like getting the heebeejeebs as he'sdrinking it. Justau people have no taste.
Well, we all have different taste, And if we could just re
respectful of I don't like it,but I hope you love it. You
know. Yeah, that sounds likean in between. I think that's it.
How long do we just talk?Twenty six minutes and twenty five seconds?
(26:29):
But that's the last in between.Goodness, we won't do one next
week because they end of the weekwill happen. But what about all the
drama between now and next week?Oh, I don't know. I think
maybe we'll have to get over acouple of beers and some Mexican food or
something like that. Okay, allright, that's it. We'll be back
and we'll finish the movie. Up. Everyone, have a great weekend.
Bye bye, everybody.
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