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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Oh, Henry, Welcome to the X Zone, a place where
fact is fiction and fiction is reality. Now here's your host,
Rob ercconnell.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
In the silence of the night, where shadows softly play,
a voice emerges gently, guiding minds astray.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Rob McConnell calls to us from.
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A real unscene. The X Zone beckons softly, where dreams
blend with the king, in.
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The whispers of the cosmos, where the truth collides with lies.
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He crafts at Sapist three of stories.
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and twist entered, each word of flicker, sparking fires, igniting
hearts that he has to believe, he softly pleads, in
this place in mine, where fact is just a mirror
and reality online. In the exisode Oh we Dared to
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Treat through aterial echos unraveling.
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The scene of McConnell's voice.
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Guides us in the night so clear, a voyager to
the unknown where every soul can hear.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
And welcome back to the excell and everyone. I am
Rob McConnell, and we're coming to you from our broadcast
center at Studios in Niagara, Ontario, Canada, where we explore
the mysteries of the world, one question at a time.
Joining me this hour is Jeff Danilik, a fascinating author, speaker,
and lifelong researcher into the unexplained. Jeff is the creator
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of Our Curious World, a platform and series of books
that dive into everything from ghosts to angels to UFOs,
the afterlife, time travel and ancient mysteries, and so much more.
With the unique ability to approach the paranormal and the
metaphysical with the grounded curiosity and critical mind, Jeff invites
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readers and listeners to explore the big questions, what happens
when we die? Are we alone in the universe? Can
science and spirituality coexist? And of course Jeff's quest for
the truth. Tonight we'll dive into these questions and more exhonation,
including Jeff's most compelling research, mind bending mysteries, and what
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really might be hiding behind the veil of this world?
And the next is website Curious Our Curiousworld dot com.
I encourage all our listeners to check it out after
the show, and once again, as all was Jeff, welcome
back to the excellent, great having you with us again.
It's been way too long, my friend.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Yeah, I agree, Rod, it's been a long long time.
It's good to be.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Back, man, Jeff. For those listeners who may not have
heard you the last time you were with us, what
sparked you and your interest into the unexplained and the
mysteries of our world?
Speaker 8 (03:37):
Well, I don't know. When I was a kid, I
was really into like the Bermuda Triangle and UFOs and Bigfoot,
and I guess I just never really outgrew it. Just
as I got older, I thought maybe there's something more
to it than just kind of having fun with it.
And so that's when I started to really get serious
about looking into these things and just kind of grew
on me.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
How did your journey as an author and research into
the paranormal and spirituality begin? Like you were talking about
the Bermeada Triangle and other aspects of the paranormal, But
what was it that actually kicked off? What was that
moment where you said, there's more to this than meets
the eye, This I need to check out.
Speaker 8 (04:22):
Well, it's kind of a strange voyage I've been on.
I got into evangelical Christianity when I was about twenty
one years old, and so I kind of got into
this whole world of ghosts and angels and demons and
all this stuff that goes with that world, and then
that kind of came out of it and went into
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some other spiritual paths, and all of the kind of
came together. I just kind of saw this whole other
world existing out there in a necessarily in a religious context,
but in a spiritual context, and it just seems like
all this stuff sort of fits together as a kind
of the realm of the unknown that we don't really understand.
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And so at some point just occur to me that
this is the route I want to go down and
just kind of see where this rabbit hole takes me.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Jeff, what is the mission behind our Curious World and
what do you hope your readers will take away from it?
Speaker 8 (05:19):
Well, the whole idea of our Curious World is to
explore these different mysteries from a more objective perspective. I
want people to not just be aware of what's going
on out there, but I'm not trying to convince them.
I want them to think for themselves, but I give
them I try to give them a perspective that looks
at both sides of it. I can understand the problems
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with some of these different phenomenons that I can also
appreciate the evidences for them. So I give it to
the reader to sort of decide what works for them
and what doesn't. And if they don't believe it, that's fine.
I'm not here to proselytize anybody or make them believe
what I believe. But I just think it's such a
fascinating subject that people seem to really rely drawn to
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it and want to learn more.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
You're an extensively about ghosts and hauntings. What's your personal
belief Are ghosts real?
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yeah? I believe they are. I think that I believe
that the personality survives the death of the brain. I
think the consciousness is immutable. I think it's eternal, and
I think that some people just kind of get stuck
when they pass. They have some reason they don't want
to move on, and they kind of get stuck in
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that kind of in between place between the spiritual realm
and the physical world, and they're sort of trapped there
until they can figure out how to get out of
there or kind of work their way through it. But
that's kind of what I think a ghost it just
makes sense to me.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Some of the most compelling ghost stories or investigations that
you've come across during all the research that you've done
over the years.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Well, I'm not a ghost hunter per se. What I
do is I follow them around a little bit and
see how they work. But I don't actually sit there
and do the haunting investigations and things. But I don't
know if I haven't personally seen a ghost, and I'm
open to it, so I guess believing is not necessarily seeing.
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But I do talk to some of these paranormal investigators.
I've hung out with the guys in Taps a little
bit on the Queen Mary, and some of the stories
they come up with are just fascinating. I think some
of the best stuff I've seen, the most persuasive things
I've seen, has been stuff that's caught on security cameras
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where all of a sudden, you'll have this entity just
walking through a parking garage at two o'clock in the morning,
And those things, to me, I find the most fascinating
kinds of evidence out there. I'm still waiting for the
day that I encounter or a ghost my self, but
it hasn't happened. Yet as soon as it will, though,
I'll give you a call.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
What are some of the most you know, compelling stories
that you've heard from these other investigators.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
Well, I have a friend here in Denver. He's he
runs a ghost hunting group, and he was telling me
they were doing a a stake out one night and
he got slapped across the face by an unseen entity,
which I think is that would certainly give me a
(08:35):
cause to, you know, try to change careers. But I
thought that was interesting. He's gotten a lot of videos
or audio evidence of voices in conversation in haunted rooms,
which I find it be really interesting too. But the
ghosts ghosts are not like you see in Hollywood. Well,
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they jump out you, and they scream and you and
there's a lot of things going on. They're very subtle
and they're more like an energy that you feel than
something that you necessarily see with your eyes. So do
you think think that's the biggest misconception people have about them?
Speaker 7 (09:12):
So do you think Hollywood does does things in order
to have it more interesting than it really is.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Well, I think there's certain somebody trying to make it
more frightening. That's why people are so often afraid of
ghosts or the paranormal because of what they see in Hollywood.
You know, you get The Ring right and some of
these other movies where you have this very spooky sort
of a world. But most ghosts really are not scary.
They're not not trying to frighten you. They're just lost.
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Just think of how you would feel just if you
encountered someone on the street that you didn't know. They're
no different than that. They're just people that no longer
have bodies. But Hollywood takes that to a great extreme,
and I think it ruins it for a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Do you believe that the power normal can be explained
scientifically or are they just inherently spiritual?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Well, I personally believe that there really is no spiritual realm.
I think everything exists in the material world, except that
it's outside of our ability to sense it. Just like
there are audio frequencies that you can't hear and light
waves that you can't see. I think that these entities
exist around us, but we just can't perceive them. We
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just don't have the means to do so. And so
when you talk about the spiritual, it's really not another
world as much as it is just a different vibrational level,
and that's what people are feeling when they feel these
things around them. They're actually feeling that vibrational level. But
as far as science that are proving it, I think
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that they're getting close to acknowledging that they're there's an
element of our consciousness that may well exist beyond death.
They just wouldn't call it a ghost of cars. That
would be unscientific, But I think they're getting close to
coming to a conclusion like that.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You know, one of your book focuses on what happens
after we die. What do you believe awaits us when
we do die?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Well, from what I have been able to glean from
mediums and near death near death experiences and things like that,
I believe that we actually, unless we're stuck in the
earthplane as a ghost for some reason, I think that
we move on to something like a life review where
we look over our We get kind of a movie
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of our whole life to see how we lived it
when we learn from it. It's not judgment day or
anything like that. It's just both the good and the bad.
You know, you get to see how how how your
decisions affected other people. You get to see what you
are trying to learn in this particular lifetime. And then
I think from there you have an opportunity to plan
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out maybe a next incarnation what lessons you'd like to learn,
or you can maybe move on to other spiritual planes
and explore those. You might even come back as a
guide to help others. So I think there's a smartest
borg of different options out there after you die, and
I think all of them are about growth and wholeness.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
Excell nation. I guess this hour is Jeff DANLK. His
website is our Curiousworld dot com. And Jeff and I
won't be back after this short break, as the exone
continues with yours truly, Rob McConnell. So whatever you do,
don't go away, because it will be right back.
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Voice guides us in midnight, so clear, A voyager to
the unknown, where every soul can hear.
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Some days I walk, some days I crawl. Some days
I can't feel much at all. My body's amids that
I try to read.
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Every step forwardward a silent But I won't let this
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Speaker 7 (15:29):
Jeff Danalic is our special guest this our www. Dot
Our Curious World dot com. Jeff, how do reports of
near death experiences support or challenge your views on the afterlife? Well?
Speaker 8 (15:46):
What they actually do? Is sort of reinforce my views
that I had for a long time. I've always believed
in life after death, even when I was a kid,
so there's never been a time when I questioned that.
But there haven't been a lot of near death experience
reports until really the seventies eighties they started coming out. Now,
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of course, they're all over the place, so they just
tend to reinforce kind of what I've always believed. What
I find interesting about them is that they seem to
be so dictated by your culture. For example, if you
are a Christian, you're likely to encounter Jesus on the
other side. If you're a Muslim, you'll encounter Mohammed. If
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you're an atheist, you might just have this being of
light or something like that. So it seems like you're
almost creating your own reality on the other side, based
upon what's most comfortable to you. So it's like consciousness
itself is actually able to set the stage that you're
going to experience. Why some people even experience hell for
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a short time on the other side because that's what
they expect to experience until they get pulled out of it.
What are you fascinating to me?
Speaker 7 (16:58):
It is it is an And what I've noticed over
the years of doing this show, Jeff, is that more
and more people are coming forward and talking about their
near death experiences, and there's a lot of commonality when
it comes to the reporting. And like you said, in
my experience talking to these people, it depends on the
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religious philosophy that you believe in.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Yeah, that's what's most interesting about. There's the thought in
New Ages thought that consciousness actually creates matter, and that's
true both in the material realm and on the spiritual realm,
except in the spiritual side it creates things quicker, more instantaneous.
So I really do believe that consciousness is what's actually
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dictating all of this, and to me, that's the most
interesting part of that. Some people discount near death experiences
because of that. They think that this unique experience that
each person has discounts that they think it should be
like a one size fits all kind of experience, but
it's not. It's unique for each person.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Not only are more people coming forward who talk about
their near death experiences, but a lot of members of
the medical community itself are coming forward. You've got the
er nurses, the surgeons, and they're coming out with the stories.
And I think that one of the most classic openings
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for any story that has the smallest shred of evidence
that goes along with it is when a member of
the medical community says, you're not going to believe this, but.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Well, I don't know. If you're familiar with the story
of Ebon Alexander. He was a neuroscientist who had some
kind of a brain disease and he was out and
he was flatlined for days, almost while he was still
being left kept alive through an incubator, but he had
no real brain actival and he had this extraordinarily sophisticated
(19:06):
near death experience and he came out. I mean, he
started going into this as a skeptic. He was a
pure materialist. He came out and he has a book out,
a number of books about his experience, which is interesting
because it's written from the perspective of a neuroscientist or
a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
The neuroscientist who was actually having the experience.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Yeah, Yeah, the neurosurgeon was the guy who was actually
having the experience. And he came out of it and
he's a completely changed He's gone on the road all
over the world, talking about these experiences. It's really a
fascinating book because he is such a He was such
a skeptic to begin with, and he understood how the
brain once it loses oxygen and all that stuff, how
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it has hallucinations and the endorphin release and all these things.
That's the standard explanation for this stuff. But in his case,
he said, I just didn't have any brain activity to
have any of these experiences. And that's what was so
fascinating to him and why he's such a strong proponent
of this whole idea.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Jeff, what are your thoughts on the current state of
the UFO phenomenon the disclosure of UFOs by the government.
Have you seen any changes pro or con when it
comes to the investigation into into the UFOs.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Well, you know now now it's not UFOs anymore. Now
it's what uk a ups uap sew. And I think
that the the government doesn't really know what to do
with it. They have these uh, these experiences with their
military aircraft and things, and they don't know how to
explain it. I think they're just trying to put this
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stuff out here and see what happens. I don't believe
that the u the government has like recovered craft or
alien bodies and all this stuff, which is very popular
in the UFO community. But I do think that they
know a lot more about it than they're releasing. But
I just don't know if they can under if they
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have really an idea of what to do with it.
It's not just our government, it's other governments all over
the world who probably have more experience than they care
to talk about. And that's just the nature of the
military too, and the government in general is everything's very
secret unless you have a need to know. But I
do see it changing a little bit. I think it's
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becoming a subject that is not as ridiculous to talk
about as it used to be. People can now Conford
airline pilots and military pilots and they can tell what
they see and it's not as like they're not going
to be laughed out of the room as much as
they used to.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
And of course we're seeing with the congressional hearings that
have happened a couple of times so far, that even
Congress is taking it a little bit more serious than
they've had in the past. But I look at the
witnesses that they're bringing forward, and I cannot understand why
the witnesses that are coming forth are the witnesses that
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really do not have the experiences to go along with
what they're being a quote unquote whistleblower about. You know,
where you have so many people within the UFO community,
for example, like Kevin Randall Don Schmidt, who have done
years and years and years of research that it seems
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they're being ignored because they may have the ability to
bring forth evidence that are not as controlled as the
other witnesses that the government brings forward because they're either
part of the military or the other member of the
alphabet soup that is out there in Washington.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, I think it's you do. The government has always
be adig about controlling information, and so they do want
to keep that ability. So you get civilians who are
not really part of it, it can be much more difficult.
The problem seems to be there's you never really find
the smoking gun. There's things pointing to it, but then
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when you start looking and trying to unravel that, you
just find another mystery and it leads you off in
another direction, and then you find another one. You never
quite get to the hard evidence. And that's what's so
frustrating about it is it's uh. And then you've got
people out there who are into you know, roswell and
alien bodies and all this stuff, and that tends to
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diminish the science of uphology, I think, because I think
there's some real hard science out there, but it's getting
kind of masked a little bit by the more sensational
aspects of the field. And I think that's a real tragedy.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
And then we're seeing the same thing happen in eupology
that we were talking about when it comes to ghost
and other aspects of the paranormal, where Hollywood I believe,
is doing more of a disservice with the with all
the special effects and all the allegations that are being
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purport proposed by people who claim to have had these experiences.
And even when it comes to the Congressional hearings with
David Grosh, you know, everything was supposed to have this
wow moment that would be coming up and that you know,
the smoking gun was going to be actually presented to
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the Congressional hearing and nothing, Yeah, you know, it's all hearsay.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I think there's something
going on out there that I think there's people who
have a lot of knowledge about this that are keeping
it themselves for various reasons. But I mean put it
from a perspective, look at from the perspective of a
government official or a military general. If you have this information,
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what can you really do with it? Even if you
are fairly certain that you're dealing with extraterrestrials. Where do
you go with it? How do you present it to
the public, How does the public take it? So there's
a lot of elements to it that needs to be
put together in just the right way or else it's
going to really be a problem.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Based on your experience in the books that you've written
on UFOs and other aspects of ET interventions, in your opinion,
what is the strongest case or evidence that suggests that
we're not alone.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well, I do think that the tic TAC videos that
were released by the government is very compelling, largely because
this has only a visual record, but you also have
radar records, and a lot of times when there's a
UFO encounter, you don't really get that radar signature for
some reason, they don't paint on radar, So that to
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me was very interesting because these are people that are
used to dealing with a lot of different aerial phenomenon
and if they can't figure out what it is, then
it seems to give it a lot of credibility. So
I think the strongest evince right now is some of
the tic tac video shot by fighter planes off the
USS and mimics back in a few years ago.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
You and I have to take our break at the
bottom of the hour, so please stand by Jeff and explanation.
If you'd like to find out about the books that
Jeff has written and are for sale, and if you
want to spend a lot of quality time going through
a website that is just filled with information, visit www
dot our Curiousworld dot com and Jeff and I will
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be back on the other side of this break as
the exone continues with your Australia. Rob McConnell from our
broadcast center and studios here in Saint Catharines, Ontario, Canada,
which is part of the Great Niagara Region, and you're
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Ext oor nation. Our guest this hour is Jeff Dannall,
like his website is our Curiousworld dot com. Jeff, what
are some of the most compelling theories you've explored about
Atlantis and other lost civilizations?
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Well, I am convinced that we have had civilization prior
to the Ice Age. I think that twenty thirty one
thousand years ago. I believe that there were levels of civilization,
not to the level that we are today, but I
do believe that there probably were city states and things
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like that that existed tens of thousands of years ago.
We're just starting to find out a little bit about
how old civilization is. There's a theory out there that
we've been on this planet for what two hundred thousand
years human beings and we only became civilized in the
last five thousand. You know, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
No, it doesn't. But what about it the other I think?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
I'm sorry, no, no, the Great.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Head yet I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Well, I was gonna say. My theory about Atlantis is
that it really wasn't a place per sees, more of
a metaphor for these early civilizations. I think it's like
a memory, a genetic memory that we have of these
people that lived long ago that we call Atlantis today.
But that's not really the name of the place. It's
just the kind of a metaphor that we've used for
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and I think that's really what the whole basis for
the Atlantis legend is.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
But what about other lost civilizations, like the Inner Earth theory,
any any semblance of possibilities when it comes to the
inner world theory. And then you still have people who
swear up and down that the world is flat.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Yeah, I mean there's some rabbit holes that you can
go down to if you're not careful. And some of
these people are very passionate about this, and if you
challenge them on it, they will, you know, basically kill you.
But yeah, I think that you got to be careful
when you're dealing with subjects like this, that you try
to keep an even keel because it is really easy
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to get caught up and kind of fall into, like
I said, a rabbit hole where you can't come out of.
So it's it's a balancing act all the time.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Do you think that ancient cultures had contact with advanced
beings or extraterrestrials, that that there is somewhere some proof
that we weren't the first on this planet, and I
don't think we're going to be able to last either.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Yeah. I think that there's a good chance that extraterrestrials
have at least observed us in the past. They still
are today, they may have actually tried to interact with
humans in the distant past. I don't have a problem
with that. Obviously, no proof of it, but I wouldn't
all be surprised because I think that's what we would
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do if we were a space staring race. I think
we would go to these different planets and we would
study the occupants and see how they how they got
there and what they're doing. And I suspect that's what
they're doing to us now, whether they've actually given us
like technologies and things like that in the past, I'm
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kind of unsure of it's I mean, it sounds irresponsible
to do that, but it's always possible. I'm always open
to looking at the evidence.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yeah, there's three sites to every story, his side, her
a side, and the truth. How do you distinguish between
myths and possible historical fact when researching ancient mysteries, Well.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
The first thing you got to look at is the
how prevalent is it? How consistent are these stories? Are
they are I mean, are they written down? How long
have they been there? You also want to look at
it from a logical standpoint, what could really be possible.
We know that the Earth couldn't be flat, We've already
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proven that, So at that point you can just move
on to the next one. But there are sometimes you
have to think, like for example, with Bigfoot, this is
not something which is beyond the realm of possibility. It's
not so out there that it's impossible. So those when
you get something like that, then it's a little bit
easier to look at it critically than it is when
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you get something that just doesn't make sense scientifically or
that ignores the laws of physics, things like that.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
And yet here we are, all those years later with
no empirical proof that Bigfoot does exist.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Well, not empirical, no, but I think that eyewitness evidence
it's not worthless. I think that you have to take
that into account. But I do believe that we're getting
better and better about this. I think if we ever
do catch Bigfoot, he'll be caught by a drone. You
could ever get a drone that was whisper silent. I
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think that's the only way you're ever going to find him.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
How do you approach topics that might border on conspiracy
without falling into the sensationalistic aspects of most conspiracy theories
out there?
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Jeff Well, I've always been skeptical of conspiracies. I'm always
the guy who, like is always trying to find the
holes in it, and there's usually not that hard to
do because they're not normally put together that well. Once
in a while they are. But by and large, I
discovered that most conspiracy theories, if you ask a couple
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of the right questions, they fall apart pretty fast. But
I guess I'm just built that way. Where I was,
I was always kind of a skeptic. Even though I
believe in this stuff, I also am always very leary
when people tell me anything that happened to them without
some kind of, if not evidence, at least the confidence
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that they are telling me something true.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
What's one conspiracy theory, Jeff, that you believe deserves more
attention or credibility.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Huh, I've never had anyone ask me that before. Boy,
I guess if it's possible that there is a large
number of people that are working to maybe destabilize different governments,
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that kind of a thing where there would be people
who want for control purposes, they are actually trying to
destabilize democracies. They may not be working as one, but
they have the same goals, and so I think there
might be that kind of a thing going on, not
necessarily like an Illuminati or something like that, but certainly
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people of power and wealth who have an agenda that
they're trying to pursue that could be very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Well, what's that one conspiracy theory that you believe? Let
me rephrase that question. Do you ever find yourself debunking
myths that are popular in the paranormal community.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Well, if you're talking like the flat Earth and stuff
like that. I honestly don't spend a lot of time
with them. If something to me doesn't seem like it's reasonable,
I don't try to talk people out of it. I
just like, that's fine if you want to believe that.
I just don't see it. I'm more interested in, like,
for example, debunking say the Second Gunman conspiracy on jfk assassination,
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things like that. I find that to be easier to
do and more useful. But I just let people believe
what they want to believe, and as long as they
all try to push it on me, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
In your book, let me see what, Dana, what you
don't know about angels, demons in the afterlife? What are
some of the biggest misconceptions you want? It's you're correct.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
Well. In my book The Paranormal Perspective, as a secular
look to God in the afterlife, I take the position
that there isn't really a personal God, so there wouldn't
be like angels that were created by God specifically as messengers,
so you wouldn't necessarily have fallen demons or fallen angels.
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I'd still believe that there are energies out there that
are both benevolent and malevolent that we would probably classify
as angels and demons. But I don't see them as
existing in the context of Christianity or Judaism as fallen angels.
So that's one of the biggest misconceptions I think people have,
as they tend to see this hierarchy of light and
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dark in battle with each other. And though there are
these things out there, I don't think that they're really
coordinating their efforts or they're really trying to do anything specific.
They're just kind of out there.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
So what would be fair to say that you think
that angels and demons exist as literal beings or metaphorical forces.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
I think they're actual, disembodied personalities or consciousness. Some of
them are high vibrational, and they're very what you would
call powerful, spiritually powerful. Some of them I think are
here to help us in our spiritual evolution. Others I
think are just trying to pick up on negative energy
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for their own sustenance. But I do think that they
are actual. I wouldn't call them souls, but I would
call them energetic enities, both good and bad.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
So how do you reconcile traditional Christian theology with paranormal experiences.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Then well, honestly, I don't really I think that Christianity,
like a lot of different face structures, is largely a
man made religion. There are some elements to it that
are very helpful or very useful, but I think most
of it's a mythology. So I don't really see that
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it's necessary to hold on to the concept of God
or a personal God or a particular religion in order
to understand the paranormal. I think it's two separate things.
They're not like synonymous, So a person could be a
complete atheist and still believe in an afterlife.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
True true. You and I have to take our either
or you and I have to take our final breakout
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with us. When we come back, I'd like to talk
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and talk about more of the great books that you
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Speaker 7 (43:26):
And welcome back everyone. Our guest this hour is Jeff Danel.
His website is Our Curious World dot com. Jeff, tell
me about your YouTube channel and the youtubes you've got
out there.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
Yeah, well, about three or four months ago, I was
sort of told by my spirit guide that I need
to set up a YouTube video a channel, And up
to that point I had no interest in doing this.
I thought this is a waste of time. But my
guide was pretty pretty insistent that I did this. So
what it's about is it's kind of like my website,
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it's Our Curious World, and I talk about different mysteries.
It may not be paranormal. Some of it's like I
have one about Amelia Earhart, you know, was she a spy?
I talk about whether you can really reverse engineer alien technology.
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So they're all kind of different subjects all over the place.
Whatever is this kind of hits me. I go with
And it's been a lot of fun doing it. There's
a lot of work, but learning all the video editing
and everything. It's been kind of a real trip to
do it. And I just put it up there. I
hope that people enjoy it at some.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Point now you're telling us about one of your books
that it's coming out. What about the second book?
Speaker 8 (44:47):
Well, lou Ellen out of Minneapolis was my original publisher
back years ago when I first started writing, and I
careered them and I said, would you like to do
an update on one of my other early your books?
They're all out of print now, and they said, yeah,
let's do the ghost book. I had the case for ghosts,
and so they let me expand it. We've got a
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different title for it now is going to call the
Mysterious World a Ghosts and objective look at the paranormal
and it's expanded, revised version that goes into a lot
more detail about the afterlife, what kind of things happen there,
what ghosts are, how you become a ghost, how you
can avoid the becoming one, and just things that can
talk about demons and all the different instruments that are
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used to look for ghosts. So it's been a lot
of fun. I really appreciate them letting me do that.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
How real is demand the demonic side of the paranormal.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
I believe that there are energies out there that they
basically feed off negative energy, which is really fear. So
they try to frighten you, and that's what they're feeding
off of. I think they are real, and I don't
think that they're like all over the place. But I
do believe if you still putting yourself into a place
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where you're letting them into your life, maybe you're messing
with a Wigi board or something like that, or tarot
cards and you don't know what you're doing and you
really don't have the spiritual maturity to handle it. I
think you can end up bringing these entities into your home.
That's where you get some of your poltergeist activity things
like that. So I think it's something to be not
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afraid of, but aware of, so that you don't, you know,
play with this stuff if you don't really know what
you're doing.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
What about Wiji boards, There's been a lot of controversy
over the years when it comes to Wigi boys. What
is your personal opinion.
Speaker 8 (46:41):
Well, I do think that most of the time when
people are playing with wigi boards, they're just kind of
fooling around. They're not really doing anything paranormal. There's it's
called this autonomic reflexes where you tend to move things
without really realizing you're moving them, right so it's kind
of fun where you can kind of make it safe things.
But there aren't cases in which people have used Wiji
(47:03):
boards to contact spirits that have been really interesting. Is
a woman back in the nineteen tens named Kiran who
she was working with Wigi boards and she contacted this
woman named Patience Worth, who turned out to be an author,
like a seventeenth century English author, and she wrote several
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books through the Wiji boards. She got the books through
the Wiji board and wrote them out and actually had
them published. And this woman did not have any writing
credentials or skills herself, but she was writing best selling
books back in the nineteen twenties that were apparently she
got off a Wiji board.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
What's your take, Something might be something too it. There
might be a lot of people once again are opening
up and saying that, especially authors are saying that they're
getting a lot of the information on books that they've
started taking an interest in the topic that they've never
had the interest in a topic before. For example, let's
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say multi verses that seems to be channeled down to them.
Have you had such an experience in your own writing.
Speaker 8 (48:14):
Well, actually, most of my books on the paranormal, I
feel are not channeled specifically, but they're inspired. Like when
I'll be writing on them, all sudden thoughts will occur
to me ideas I hadn't thought of before. So yeah,
I actually do believe that these there are like spirit
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guides that will help you with this stuff. If you
want them to, you have to open yourself to their energy,
but they will lead you to do things. I mean,
this last book I wrote, the one about the Secular
Guide to God in the Paranormal, was the spirit guid
just says here, I got a book for you to write,
and I basically just listened to what it told me
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and put it together. I still had to do the
heavy lifting and all the writing and everything, and the
punctuation and everything, but the idea is that was giving
me was kind of outside of myself. It just kind
of flowed that way. It was really interesting.
Speaker 7 (49:13):
What is your research process like when preparing a book
or an article on a mysterious topic.
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Well, a lot of it is instinctual, and then I'll
use what my research is to just confirm that. If
I use an example of something to illustrate a point,
I do the research and make sure that is correct,
that I got the right information, the right name, the
right date, and everything like that. So I do that
kind of research, but in terms of you know what
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happens in the afterlife, a lot of this is just intuitive.
So there's no research until I get to the latter
parts of the writing process where I need to make
sure that the information that I do include in there
is accurate. But it's really kind of an easy flowing
project to I almost does itself sometimes.
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Really, how do you balance critical thinking with an open
mind when exploring the unknown?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
Well, I think it's vital that you actually put both
hemispheres together, so you're both in You're working from the
intuitive side of yourself as well as the logical side,
And that's really the only way you can do because
if you go too far one way or the other,
you either become like a skeptic or a cynic, or
you believe everything, which isn't good either. So you want
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to kind of have both halves of the brain working
when you're doing this kind of stuff. But I've never
really found a conflict between it. There's times when I
will question something and look it up and see if
it really happened, and sometimes find out that a story
that I heard years ago wasn't really true, and then
I just, you know, take that out of my thoughts
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and then move on to the next one.
Speaker 7 (50:56):
Have you ever had a personal paranormal or unexplained experience.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
I had a experience with what I don't know if
you call this a UFO, but I was. One time
I saw a series of orbs that were spinning in
a circular pattern about fifty feet over my head, and
they would get really bright when they were on the
left side of the of the circle, and then they
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would completely disappear on the right side, they'd spin around,
and probably it lasted thirty forty five seconds. And my
thought was it was some kind of a demonstration because
I was actually at a UFO conference and we were
outside taking a break in the middle of it, and
when we saw this thing, it's almost like it was
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trying to show that there's something to this stuff in
a very subtle way. I just wish i'd filmed it. It
didn't occurred to me at the time to get a
picture of it, but it was a really interesting experience.
It's on my website, by the way, that I have
more detail of people are interested.
Speaker 7 (52:01):
What projects are you currently working on, Jeff, and what
can readers expect next from you?
Speaker 8 (52:09):
Well, like I said, I am, I've got the two
books under contract. You're just about done, the one on
the Ghosts and the one on the secular Look at God.
Those are the two things I'm finishing up now. The
next thing I'm looking at doing I might look into
some of the problems I see inherent with the New
Age movement. Even though I'm kind of a New Ager myself,
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there are certain things I see about it that I
think people need to think about a little bit before
embracing it. So it's I might go in that direction
next and kind of go down that alley and see
what I find out.
Speaker 7 (52:45):
If you could definitely wow, talk about it, screw yeah.
Answer just one mystery of the universe, Which would it be?
And why?
Speaker 8 (53:00):
Oh man, that's an outstanding question. There's so many of them.
I guess I would like to have science confirm post
more in existence. I think if you could really confirm
that from an empirical standpoint, I think it would change
you think about your change, culture would take change, religion,
everything would be different after that. If it was definitely
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proven that there's life after death. It's going to make it.
It would transform the world. I really believe it.
Speaker 7 (53:28):
You know, Jeff, I've had the pleasure of knowing you
for a number of years, and it's always great having
you on the show. First of all, thank you for
the great work that you do. And you know, when
reading your books, Jeff, you always you always leave a
little bit open, just to the realm of the possibility
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pro or con So I really enjoy that about your books. Now,
what message would you like to leave for our listeners
who are curious, skeptical, or afraid of the unknown.
Speaker 8 (54:02):
Well, I would say, don't be afraid to explore these things.
If there's a lot of stuff out there, some people
feel it's kind of goofy, or it's you know, it's
woo woo, and they don't want to get involved with it.
But I really will tell you that I have discovered
so much about myself around about the world around me
that I'm so glad that I have explored these things.
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I don't believe everything I read, but certainly what I
have come across has had a hugely transformative effect on
my life, and I think.
Speaker 7 (54:32):
You would on yours, Jeff, I want to thank you
so much for joining us. Great pleasure having you. Please,
let's get you back on in the near future instead
of the years that seem to slip by between the
times that we do have you back on.
Speaker 8 (54:48):
Yeah, looking forward to it too, Rod.
Speaker 7 (54:49):
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It's been way too long, my friend.
Speaker 8 (03:21):
Yeah, I agree, Rod, it's been a long long time.
It's good to be.
Speaker 7 (03:24):
Back, man, Jeff. For those listeners who may not have
heard you the last time you were with us, what
sparked you and your interest into the unexplained and the
mysteries of our world?
Speaker 8 (03:37):
Well, I don't know. When I was a kid, I
was really into like the Bermuda Triangle and UFOs and Bigfoot,
and I guess I just never really outgrew it. Just
as I got older, I thought maybe there's something more
to it than just kind of having fun with it.
And so that's when I started to really get serious
about looking into these things and just kind of grew
on me.
Speaker 7 (03:58):
How did your journey as an author and research into
the paranormal and spirituality begin? Like you were talking about
the Bermeada Triangle and other aspects of the paranormal, But
what was it that actually kicked off? What was that
moment where you said, there's more to this than meets
the eye, This I need to check out.
Speaker 8 (04:22):
Well, it's kind of a strange voyage I've been on.
I got into evangelical Christianity when I was about twenty
one years old, and so I kind of got into
this whole world of ghosts and angels and demons and
all this stuff that goes with that world, and then
that kind of came out of it and went into
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some other spiritual paths, and all of the kind of
came together. I just kind of saw this whole other
world existing out there in a necessarily in a religious context,
but in a spiritual context, and it just seems like
all this stuff sort of fits together as a kind
of the realm of the unknown that we don't really understand.
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And so at some point just occur to me that
this is the route I want to go down and
just kind of see where this rabbit hole takes me.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
Jeff, what is the mission behind our Curious World and
what do you hope your readers will take away from it?
Speaker 8 (05:19):
Well, the whole idea of our Curious World is to
explore these different mysteries from a more objective perspective. I
want people to not just be aware of what's going
on out there, but I'm not trying to convince them.
I want them to think for themselves, but I give
them I try to give them a perspective that looks
at both sides of it. I can understand the problems
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with some of these different phenomenons that I can also
appreciate the evidences for them. So I give it to
the reader to sort of decide what works for them
and what doesn't. And if they don't believe it, that's fine.
I'm not here to proselytize anybody or make them believe
what I believe. But I just think it's such a
fascinating subject that people seem to really rely drawn to
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it and want to learn more.
Speaker 7 (06:08):
You're an extensively about ghosts and hauntings. What's your personal
belief Are ghosts real?
Speaker 8 (06:16):
Yeah? I believe they are. I think that I believe
that the personality survives the death of the brain. I
think the consciousness is immutable. I think it's eternal, and
I think that some people just kind of get stuck
when they pass. They have some reason they don't want
to move on, and they kind of get stuck in
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that kind of in between place between the spiritual realm
and the physical world, and they're sort of trapped there
until they can figure out how to get out of
there or kind of work their way through it. But
that's kind of what I think a ghost it just
makes sense to me.
Speaker 7 (06:52):
Some of the most compelling ghost stories or investigations that
you've come across during all the research that you've done
over the years.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Well, I'm not a ghost hunter per se. What I
do is I follow them around a little bit and
see how they work. But I don't actually sit there
and do the haunting investigations and things. But I don't
know if I haven't personally seen a ghost, and I'm
open to it, so I guess believing is not necessarily seeing.
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But I do talk to some of these paranormal investigators.
I've hung out with the guys in Taps a little
bit on the Queen Mary, and some of the stories
they come up with are just fascinating. I think some
of the best stuff I've seen, the most persuasive things
I've seen, has been stuff that's caught on security cameras
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where all of a sudden, you'll have this entity just
walking through a parking garage at two o'clock in the morning,
And those things, to me, I find the most fascinating
kinds of evidence out there. I'm still waiting for the
day that I encounter or a ghost my self, but
it hasn't happened. Yet as soon as it will, though,
I'll give you a call.
Speaker 7 (08:05):
What are some of the most you know, compelling stories
that you've heard from these other investigators.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
Well, I have a friend here in Denver. He's he
runs a ghost hunting group, and he was telling me
they were doing a a stake out one night and
he got slapped across the face by an unseen entity,
which I think is that would certainly give me a
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cause to, you know, try to change careers. But I
thought that was interesting. He's gotten a lot of videos
or audio evidence of voices in conversation in haunted rooms,
which I find it be really interesting too. But the
ghosts ghosts are not like you see in Hollywood. Well,
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they jump out you, and they scream and you and
there's a lot of things going on. They're very subtle
and they're more like an energy that you feel than
something that you necessarily see with your eyes. So do
you think think that's the biggest misconception people have about them?
Speaker 7 (09:12):
So do you think Hollywood does does things in order
to have it more interesting than it really is.
Speaker 8 (09:23):
Well, I think there's certain somebody trying to make it
more frightening. That's why people are so often afraid of
ghosts or the paranormal because of what they see in Hollywood.
You know, you get The Ring right and some of
these other movies where you have this very spooky sort
of a world. But most ghosts really are not scary.
They're not not trying to frighten you. They're just lost.
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Just think of how you would feel just if you
encountered someone on the street that you didn't know. They're
no different than that. They're just people that no longer
have bodies. But Hollywood takes that to a great extreme,
and I think it ruins it for a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (10:04):
Do you believe that the power normal can be explained
scientifically or are they just inherently spiritual?
Speaker 8 (10:11):
Well, I personally believe that there really is no spiritual realm.
I think everything exists in the material world, except that
it's outside of our ability to sense it. Just like
there are audio frequencies that you can't hear and light
waves that you can't see. I think that these entities
exist around us, but we just can't perceive them. We
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just don't have the means to do so. And so
when you talk about the spiritual, it's really not another
world as much as it is just a different vibrational level,
and that's what people are feeling when they feel these
things around them. They're actually feeling that vibrational level. But
as far as science that are proving it, I think
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that they're getting close to acknowledging that they're there's an
element of our consciousness that may well exist beyond death.
They just wouldn't call it a ghost of cars. That
would be unscientific, But I think they're getting close to
coming to a conclusion like that.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
You know, one of your book focuses on what happens
after we die. What do you believe awaits us when
we do die?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Well, from what I have been able to glean from
mediums and near death near death experiences and things like that,
I believe that we actually, unless we're stuck in the
earthplane as a ghost for some reason, I think that
we move on to something like a life review where
we look over our We get kind of a movie
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of our whole life to see how we lived it
when we learn from it. It's not judgment day or
anything like that. It's just both the good and the bad.
You know, you get to see how how how your
decisions affected other people. You get to see what you
are trying to learn in this particular lifetime. And then
I think from there you have an opportunity to plan
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out maybe a next incarnation what lessons you'd like to learn,
or you can maybe move on to other spiritual planes
and explore those. You might even come back as a
guide to help others. So I think there's a smartest
borg of different options out there after you die, and
I think all of them are about growth and wholeness.
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Our Curious World dot com. Jeff, how do reports of
near death experiences support or challenge your views on the afterlife? Well?
Speaker 8 (15:46):
What they actually do? Is sort of reinforce my views
that I had for a long time. I've always believed
in life after death, even when I was a kid,
so there's never been a time when I questioned that.
But there haven't been a lot of near death experience
reports until really the seventies eighties they started coming out. Now,
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of course, they're all over the place, so they just
tend to reinforce kind of what I've always believed. What
I find interesting about them is that they seem to
be so dictated by your culture. For example, if you
are a Christian, you're likely to encounter Jesus on the
other side. If you're a Muslim, you'll encounter Mohammed. If
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you're an atheist, you might just have this being of
light or something like that. So it seems like you're
almost creating your own reality on the other side, based
upon what's most comfortable to you. So it's like consciousness
itself is actually able to set the stage that you're
going to experience. Why some people even experience hell for
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a short time on the other side because that's what
they expect to experience until they get pulled out of it.
What are you fascinating to me?
Speaker 7 (16:58):
It is it is an And what I've noticed over
the years of doing this show, Jeff, is that more
and more people are coming forward and talking about their
near death experiences, and there's a lot of commonality when
it comes to the reporting. And like you said, in
my experience talking to these people, it depends on the
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religious philosophy that you believe in.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Yeah, that's what's most interesting about. There's the thought in
New Ages thought that consciousness actually creates matter, and that's
true both in the material realm and on the spiritual realm,
except in the spiritual side it creates things quicker, more instantaneous.
So I really do believe that consciousness is what's actually
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dictating all of this, and to me, that's the most
interesting part of that. Some people discount near death experiences
because of that. They think that this unique experience that
each person has discounts that they think it should be
like a one size fits all kind of experience, but
it's not. It's unique for each person.
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Not only are more people coming forward who talk about
their near death experiences, but a lot of members of
the medical community itself are coming forward. You've got the
er nurses, the surgeons, and they're coming out with the stories.
And I think that one of the most classic openings
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for any story that has the smallest shred of evidence
that goes along with it is when a member of
the medical community says, you're not going to believe this, but.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Well, I don't know. If you're familiar with the story
of Ebon Alexander. He was a neuroscientist who had some
kind of a brain disease and he was out and
he was flatlined for days, almost while he was still
being left kept alive through an incubator, but he had
no real brain actival and he had this extraordinarily sophisticated
(19:06):
near death experience and he came out. I mean, he
started going into this as a skeptic. He was a
pure materialist. He came out and he has a book out,
a number of books about his experience, which is interesting
because it's written from the perspective of a neuroscientist or
a neurosurgeon.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
The neuroscientist who was actually having the experience.
Speaker 8 (19:29):
Yeah, Yeah, the neurosurgeon was the guy who was actually
having the experience. And he came out of it and
he's a completely changed He's gone on the road all
over the world, talking about these experiences. It's really a
fascinating book because he is such a He was such
a skeptic to begin with, and he understood how the
brain once it loses oxygen and all that stuff, how
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it has hallucinations and the endorphin release and all these things.
That's the standard explanation for this stuff. But in his case,
he said, I just didn't have any brain activity to
have any of these experiences. And that's what was so
fascinating to him and why he's such a strong proponent
of this whole idea.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Jeff, what are your thoughts on the current state of
the UFO phenomenon the disclosure of UFOs by the government.
Have you seen any changes pro or con when it
comes to the investigation into into the UFOs.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
Well, you know now now it's not UFOs anymore. Now
it's what uk a ups uap sew. And I think
that the the government doesn't really know what to do
with it. They have these uh, these experiences with their
military aircraft and things, and they don't know how to
explain it. I think they're just trying to put this
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stuff out here and see what happens. I don't believe
that the u the government has like recovered craft or
alien bodies and all this stuff, which is very popular
in the UFO community. But I do think that they
know a lot more about it than they're releasing. But
I just don't know if they can under if they
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have really an idea of what to do with it.
It's not just our government, it's other governments all over
the world who probably have more experience than they care
to talk about. And that's just the nature of the
military too, and the government in general is everything's very
secret unless you have a need to know. But I
do see it changing a little bit. I think it's
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becoming a subject that is not as ridiculous to talk
about as it used to be. People can now Conford
airline pilots and military pilots and they can tell what
they see and it's not as like they're not going
to be laughed out of the room as much as
they used to.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
And of course we're seeing with the congressional hearings that
have happened a couple of times so far, that even
Congress is taking it a little bit more serious than
they've had in the past. But I look at the
witnesses that they're bringing forward, and I cannot understand why
the witnesses that are coming forth are the witnesses that
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really do not have the experiences to go along with
what they're being a quote unquote whistleblower about. You know,
where you have so many people within the UFO community,
for example, like Kevin Randall Don Schmidt, who have done
years and years and years of research that it seems
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they're being ignored because they may have the ability to
bring forth evidence that are not as controlled as the
other witnesses that the government brings forward because they're either
part of the military or the other member of the
alphabet soup that is out there in Washington.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
Yeah, I think it's you do. The government has always
be adig about controlling information, and so they do want
to keep that ability. So you get civilians who are
not really part of it, it can be much more difficult.
The problem seems to be there's you never really find
the smoking gun. There's things pointing to it, but then
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when you start looking and trying to unravel that, you
just find another mystery and it leads you off in
another direction, and then you find another one. You never
quite get to the hard evidence. And that's what's so
frustrating about it is it's uh. And then you've got
people out there who are into you know, roswell and
alien bodies and all this stuff, and that tends to
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diminish the science of uphology, I think, because I think
there's some real hard science out there, but it's getting
kind of masked a little bit by the more sensational
aspects of the field. And I think that's a real tragedy.
Speaker 7 (23:56):
And then we're seeing the same thing happen in eupology
that we were talking about when it comes to ghost
and other aspects of the paranormal, where Hollywood I believe,
is doing more of a disservice with the with all
the special effects and all the allegations that are being
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purport proposed by people who claim to have had these experiences.
And even when it comes to the Congressional hearings with
David Grosh, you know, everything was supposed to have this
wow moment that would be coming up and that you know,
the smoking gun was going to be actually presented to
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the Congressional hearing and nothing, Yeah, you know, it's all hearsay.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
Yeah, I don't know. I just I think there's something
going on out there that I think there's people who
have a lot of knowledge about this that are keeping
it themselves for various reasons. But I mean put it
from a perspective, look at from the perspective of a
government official or a military general. If you have this information,
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what can you really do with it? Even if you
are fairly certain that you're dealing with extraterrestrials. Where do
you go with it? How do you present it to
the public, How does the public take it? So there's
a lot of elements to it that needs to be
put together in just the right way or else it's
going to really be a problem.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Based on your experience in the books that you've written
on UFOs and other aspects of ET interventions, in your opinion,
what is the strongest case or evidence that suggests that
we're not alone.
Speaker 8 (25:51):
Well, I do think that the tic TAC videos that
were released by the government is very compelling, largely because
this has only a visual record, but you also have
radar records, and a lot of times when there's a
UFO encounter, you don't really get that radar signature for
some reason, they don't paint on radar, So that to
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me was very interesting because these are people that are
used to dealing with a lot of different aerial phenomenon
and if they can't figure out what it is, then
it seems to give it a lot of credibility. So
I think the strongest evince right now is some of
the tic tac video shot by fighter planes off the
USS and mimics back in a few years ago.
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Ext oor nation. Our guest this hour is Jeff Dannall,
like his website is our Curiousworld dot com. Jeff, what
are some of the most compelling theories you've explored about
Atlantis and other lost civilizations?
Speaker 8 (30:22):
Well, I am convinced that we have had civilization prior
to the Ice Age. I think that twenty thirty one
thousand years ago. I believe that there were levels of civilization,
not to the level that we are today, but I
do believe that there probably were city states and things
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like that that existed tens of thousands of years ago.
We're just starting to find out a little bit about
how old civilization is. There's a theory out there that
we've been on this planet for what two hundred thousand
years human beings and we only became civilized in the
last five thousand. You know, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 7 (31:03):
No, it doesn't. But what about it the other I think?
Speaker 8 (31:06):
I'm sorry, no, no, the Great.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Head yet I'm sorry.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Well, I was gonna say. My theory about Atlantis is
that it really wasn't a place per sees, more of
a metaphor for these early civilizations. I think it's like
a memory, a genetic memory that we have of these
people that lived long ago that we call Atlantis today.
But that's not really the name of the place. It's
just the kind of a metaphor that we've used for
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and I think that's really what the whole basis for
the Atlantis legend is.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
But what about other lost civilizations, like the Inner Earth theory,
any any semblance of possibilities when it comes to the
inner world theory. And then you still have people who
swear up and down that the world is flat.
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Yeah, I mean there's some rabbit holes that you can
go down to if you're not careful. And some of
these people are very passionate about this, and if you
challenge them on it, they will, you know, basically kill you.
But yeah, I think that you got to be careful
when you're dealing with subjects like this, that you try
to keep an even keel because it is really easy
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to get caught up and kind of fall into, like
I said, a rabbit hole where you can't come out of.
So it's it's a balancing act all the time.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
Do you think that ancient cultures had contact with advanced
beings or extraterrestrials, that that there is somewhere some proof
that we weren't the first on this planet, and I
don't think we're going to be able to last either.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Yeah. I think that there's a good chance that extraterrestrials
have at least observed us in the past. They still
are today, they may have actually tried to interact with
humans in the distant past. I don't have a problem
with that. Obviously, no proof of it, but I wouldn't
all be surprised because I think that's what we would
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do if we were a space staring race. I think
we would go to these different planets and we would
study the occupants and see how they how they got
there and what they're doing. And I suspect that's what
they're doing to us now, whether they've actually given us
like technologies and things like that in the past, I'm
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kind of unsure of it's I mean, it sounds irresponsible
to do that, but it's always possible. I'm always open
to looking at the evidence.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
Yeah, there's three sites to every story, his side, her
a side, and the truth. How do you distinguish between
myths and possible historical fact when researching ancient mysteries, Well.
Speaker 8 (33:49):
The first thing you got to look at is the
how prevalent is it? How consistent are these stories? Are
they are I mean, are they written down? How long
have they been there? You also want to look at
it from a logical standpoint, what could really be possible.
We know that the Earth couldn't be flat, We've already
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proven that, So at that point you can just move
on to the next one. But there are sometimes you
have to think, like for example, with Bigfoot, this is
not something which is beyond the realm of possibility. It's
not so out there that it's impossible. So those when
you get something like that, then it's a little bit
easier to look at it critically than it is when
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you get something that just doesn't make sense scientifically or
that ignores the laws of physics, things like that.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
And yet here we are, all those years later with
no empirical proof that Bigfoot does exist.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
Well, not empirical, no, but I think that eyewitness evidence
it's not worthless. I think that you have to take
that into account. But I do believe that we're getting
better and better about this. I think if we ever
do catch Bigfoot, he'll be caught by a drone. You
could ever get a drone that was whisper silent. I
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think that's the only way you're ever going to find him.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
How do you approach topics that might border on conspiracy
without falling into the sensationalistic aspects of most conspiracy theories
out there?
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Jeff Well, I've always been skeptical of conspiracies. I'm always
the guy who, like is always trying to find the
holes in it, and there's usually not that hard to
do because they're not normally put together that well. Once
in a while they are. But by and large, I
discovered that most conspiracy theories, if you ask a couple
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of the right questions, they fall apart pretty fast. But
I guess I'm just built that way. Where I was,
I was always kind of a skeptic. Even though I
believe in this stuff, I also am always very leary
when people tell me anything that happened to them without
some kind of, if not evidence, at least the confidence
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that they are telling me something true.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
What's one conspiracy theory, Jeff, that you believe deserves more
attention or credibility.
Speaker 8 (36:17):
Huh, I've never had anyone ask me that before. Boy,
I guess if it's possible that there is a large
number of people that are working to maybe destabilize different governments,
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that kind of a thing where there would be people
who want for control purposes, they are actually trying to
destabilize democracies. They may not be working as one, but
they have the same goals, and so I think there
might be that kind of a thing going on, not
necessarily like an Illuminati or something like that, but certainly
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people of power and wealth who have an agenda that
they're trying to pursue that could be very dangerous.
Speaker 7 (37:07):
Well, what's that one conspiracy theory that you believe? Let
me rephrase that question. Do you ever find yourself debunking
myths that are popular in the paranormal community.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Well, if you're talking like the flat Earth and stuff
like that. I honestly don't spend a lot of time
with them. If something to me doesn't seem like it's reasonable,
I don't try to talk people out of it. I
just like, that's fine if you want to believe that.
I just don't see it. I'm more interested in, like,
for example, debunking say the Second Gunman conspiracy on jfk assassination,
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things like that. I find that to be easier to
do and more useful. But I just let people believe
what they want to believe, and as long as they
all try to push it on me, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 7 (38:03):
In your book, let me see what, Dana, what you
don't know about angels, demons in the afterlife? What are
some of the biggest misconceptions you want? It's you're correct.
Speaker 8 (38:16):
Well. In my book The Paranormal Perspective, as a secular
look to God in the afterlife, I take the position
that there isn't really a personal God, so there wouldn't
be like angels that were created by God specifically as messengers,
so you wouldn't necessarily have fallen demons or fallen angels.
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I'd still believe that there are energies out there that
are both benevolent and malevolent that we would probably classify
as angels and demons. But I don't see them as
existing in the context of Christianity or Judaism as fallen angels.
So that's one of the biggest misconceptions I think people have,
as they tend to see this hierarchy of light and
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dark in battle with each other. And though there are
these things out there, I don't think that they're really
coordinating their efforts or they're really trying to do anything specific.
They're just kind of out there.
Speaker 7 (39:13):
So what would be fair to say that you think
that angels and demons exist as literal beings or metaphorical forces.
Speaker 8 (39:23):
I think they're actual, disembodied personalities or consciousness. Some of
them are high vibrational, and they're very what you would
call powerful, spiritually powerful. Some of them I think are
here to help us in our spiritual evolution. Others I
think are just trying to pick up on negative energy
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for their own sustenance. But I do think that they
are actual. I wouldn't call them souls, but I would
call them energetic enities, both good and bad.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
So how do you reconcile traditional Christian theology with paranormal experiences.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
Then well, honestly, I don't really I think that Christianity,
like a lot of different face structures, is largely a
man made religion. There are some elements to it that
are very helpful or very useful, but I think most
of it's a mythology. So I don't really see that
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it's necessary to hold on to the concept of God
or a personal God or a particular religion in order
to understand the paranormal. I think it's two separate things.
They're not like synonymous, So a person could be a
complete atheist and still believe in an afterlife.
Speaker 7 (40:43):
True true. You and I have to take our either
or you and I have to take our final breakout
for this hour. Jeff, as always, this great having you
with us. When we come back, I'd like to talk
to you more about your writing, the research that you do,
and talk about more of the great books that you
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Speaker 7 (43:26):
And welcome back everyone. Our guest this hour is Jeff Danel.
His website is Our Curious World dot com. Jeff, tell
me about your YouTube channel and the youtubes you've got
out there.
Speaker 8 (43:39):
Yeah, well, about three or four months ago, I was
sort of told by my spirit guide that I need
to set up a YouTube video a channel, And up
to that point I had no interest in doing this.
I thought this is a waste of time. But my
guide was pretty pretty insistent that I did this. So
what it's about is it's kind of like my website,
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it's Our Curious World, and I talk about different mysteries.
It may not be paranormal. Some of it's like I
have one about Amelia Earhart, you know, was she a spy?
I talk about whether you can really reverse engineer alien technology.
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So they're all kind of different subjects all over the place.
Whatever is this kind of hits me. I go with
And it's been a lot of fun doing it. There's
a lot of work, but learning all the video editing
and everything. It's been kind of a real trip to
do it. And I just put it up there. I
hope that people enjoy it at some.
Speaker 7 (44:38):
Point now you're telling us about one of your books
that it's coming out. What about the second book?
Speaker 8 (44:47):
Well, lou Ellen out of Minneapolis was my original publisher
back years ago when I first started writing, and I
careered them and I said, would you like to do
an update on one of my other early your books?
They're all out of print now, and they said, yeah,
let's do the ghost book. I had the case for ghosts,
and so they let me expand it. We've got a
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different title for it now is going to call the
Mysterious World a Ghosts and objective look at the paranormal
and it's expanded, revised version that goes into a lot
more detail about the afterlife, what kind of things happen there,
what ghosts are, how you become a ghost, how you
can avoid the becoming one, and just things that can
talk about demons and all the different instruments that are
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used to look for ghosts. So it's been a lot
of fun. I really appreciate them letting me do that.
Speaker 7 (45:35):
How real is demand the demonic side of the paranormal.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
I believe that there are energies out there that they
basically feed off negative energy, which is really fear. So
they try to frighten you, and that's what they're feeding
off of. I think they are real, and I don't
think that they're like all over the place. But I
do believe if you still putting yourself into a place
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where you're letting them into your life, maybe you're messing
with a Wigi board or something like that, or tarot
cards and you don't know what you're doing and you
really don't have the spiritual maturity to handle it. I
think you can end up bringing these entities into your home.
That's where you get some of your poltergeist activity things
like that. So I think it's something to be not
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afraid of, but aware of, so that you don't, you know,
play with this stuff if you don't really know what
you're doing.
Speaker 7 (46:32):
What about Wiji boards, There's been a lot of controversy
over the years when it comes to Wigi boys. What
is your personal opinion.
Speaker 8 (46:41):
Well, I do think that most of the time when
people are playing with wigi boards, they're just kind of
fooling around. They're not really doing anything paranormal. There's it's
called this autonomic reflexes where you tend to move things
without really realizing you're moving them, right so it's kind
of fun where you can kind of make it safe things.
But there aren't cases in which people have used Wiji
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boards to contact spirits that have been really interesting. Is
a woman back in the nineteen tens named Kiran who
she was working with Wigi boards and she contacted this
woman named Patience Worth, who turned out to be an author,
like a seventeenth century English author, and she wrote several
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books through the Wiji boards. She got the books through
the Wiji board and wrote them out and actually had
them published. And this woman did not have any writing
credentials or skills herself, but she was writing best selling
books back in the nineteen twenties that were apparently she
got off a Wiji board.
Speaker 7 (47:42):
What's your take, Something might be something too it. There
might be a lot of people once again are opening
up and saying that, especially authors are saying that they're
getting a lot of the information on books that they've
started taking an interest in the topic that they've never
had the interest in a topic before. For example, let's
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say multi verses that seems to be channeled down to them.
Have you had such an experience in your own writing.
Speaker 8 (48:14):
Well, actually, most of my books on the paranormal, I
feel are not channeled specifically, but they're inspired. Like when
I'll be writing on them, all sudden thoughts will occur
to me ideas I hadn't thought of before. So yeah,
I actually do believe that these there are like spirit
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guides that will help you with this stuff. If you
want them to, you have to open yourself to their energy,
but they will lead you to do things. I mean,
this last book I wrote, the one about the Secular
Guide to God in the Paranormal, was the spirit guid
just says here, I got a book for you to write,
and I basically just listened to what it told me
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and put it together. I still had to do the
heavy lifting and all the writing and everything, and the
punctuation and everything, but the idea is that was giving
me was kind of outside of myself. It just kind
of flowed that way. It was really interesting.
Speaker 7 (49:13):
What is your research process like when preparing a book
or an article on a mysterious topic.
Speaker 8 (49:22):
Well, a lot of it is instinctual, and then I'll
use what my research is to just confirm that. If
I use an example of something to illustrate a point,
I do the research and make sure that is correct,
that I got the right information, the right name, the
right date, and everything like that. So I do that
kind of research, but in terms of you know what
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happens in the afterlife, a lot of this is just intuitive.
So there's no research until I get to the latter
parts of the writing process where I need to make
sure that the information that I do include in there
is accurate. But it's really kind of an easy flowing
project to I almost does itself sometimes.
Speaker 7 (50:02):
Really, how do you balance critical thinking with an open
mind when exploring the unknown?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
Well, I think it's vital that you actually put both
hemispheres together, so you're both in You're working from the
intuitive side of yourself as well as the logical side,
And that's really the only way you can do because
if you go too far one way or the other,
you either become like a skeptic or a cynic, or
you believe everything, which isn't good either. So you want
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to kind of have both halves of the brain working
when you're doing this kind of stuff. But I've never
really found a conflict between it. There's times when I
will question something and look it up and see if
it really happened, and sometimes find out that a story
that I heard years ago wasn't really true, and then
I just, you know, take that out of my thoughts
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and then move on to the next one.
Speaker 7 (50:56):
Have you ever had a personal paranormal or unexplained experience.
Speaker 8 (51:03):
I had a experience with what I don't know if
you call this a UFO, but I was. One time
I saw a series of orbs that were spinning in
a circular pattern about fifty feet over my head, and
they would get really bright when they were on the
left side of the of the circle, and then they
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would completely disappear on the right side, they'd spin around,
and probably it lasted thirty forty five seconds. And my
thought was it was some kind of a demonstration because
I was actually at a UFO conference and we were
outside taking a break in the middle of it, and
when we saw this thing, it's almost like it was
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trying to show that there's something to this stuff in
a very subtle way. I just wish i'd filmed it. It
didn't occurred to me at the time to get a
picture of it, but it was a really interesting experience.
It's on my website, by the way, that I have
more detail of people are interested.
Speaker 7 (52:01):
What projects are you currently working on, Jeff, and what
can readers expect next from you?
Speaker 8 (52:09):
Well, like I said, I am, I've got the two
books under contract. You're just about done, the one on
the Ghosts and the one on the secular Look at God.
Those are the two things I'm finishing up now. The
next thing I'm looking at doing I might look into
some of the problems I see inherent with the New
Age movement. Even though I'm kind of a New Ager myself,
(52:30):
there are certain things I see about it that I
think people need to think about a little bit before
embracing it. So it's I might go in that direction
next and kind of go down that alley and see
what I find out.
Speaker 7 (52:45):
If you could definitely wow, talk about it, screw yeah.
Answer just one mystery of the universe, Which would it be?
And why?
Speaker 8 (53:00):
Oh man, that's an outstanding question. There's so many of them.
I guess I would like to have science confirm post
more in existence. I think if you could really confirm
that from an empirical standpoint, I think it would change
you think about your change, culture would take change, religion,
everything would be different after that. If it was definitely
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proven that there's life after death. It's going to make it.
It would transform the world. I really believe it.
Speaker 7 (53:28):
You know, Jeff, I've had the pleasure of knowing you
for a number of years, and it's always great having
you on the show. First of all, thank you for
the great work that you do. And you know, when
reading your books, Jeff, you always you always leave a
little bit open, just to the realm of the possibility
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pro or con So I really enjoy that about your books. Now,
what message would you like to leave for our listeners
who are curious, skeptical, or afraid of the unknown.
Speaker 8 (54:02):
Well, I would say, don't be afraid to explore these things.
If there's a lot of stuff out there, some people
feel it's kind of goofy, or it's you know, it's
woo woo, and they don't want to get involved with it.
But I really will tell you that I have discovered
so much about myself around about the world around me
that I'm so glad that I have explored these things.
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I don't believe everything I read, but certainly what I
have come across has had a hugely transformative effect on
my life, and I think.
Speaker 7 (54:32):
You would on yours, Jeff, I want to thank you
so much for joining us. Great pleasure having you. Please,
let's get you back on in the near future instead
of the years that seem to slip by between the
times that we do have you back on.
Speaker 8 (54:48):
Yeah, looking forward to it too, Rod.
Speaker 7 (54:49):
Great having you. Thank you so much for all you do.
Jeff and exhonation. If you'd like to get more information
about our guests this hour, Jeff, DANNELK visit our Curious
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