July 2, 2025 • 55 mins
Von Braschler is the author of more than a dozen books on metaphysics and consciousness training. He has served on the Omega Institute of Holistic Health in New York and won the gold medal for visionary writing in the COVR annual book awards. Von previously worked as an award-winning journalist before working behind the scenes in book publishing and later as a writer. He is a longtime student of yoga training and particularly Samadhi mysticism. As a Theosophist, he is particularly interested in Raja Yoga. His latest book: “Programming Your Lucid Dreams.”
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
There's much to be learned from dreams. However, must we
simply wait for a random dream and content ourselves with
what information turns up? Or is dream programming a possibility?
Mission Evolution Radio Show is coming to you around the
world on the xone TV channel x z CA. With
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us this hour to explore gaining more power over your dreams.
Is von Broschlar VN is the author of more than
a dozen books on metaphysics and consciousness training. He served
on the Omega Institute of Holistic Health in New York
and won the Gold Medal for Visionary Writing in the
Cover Annual Book Awards. Von previously worked as an award
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winning journalist before becoming behind the scenes in book publishing
and later as a writer. His latest book is entitled
Programming Your Lucid dreams his website, Von broschlar website dot com.
Bon thank you for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, thank you, Gwilda. Thank you for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's always wonderful having you here. You always have such
fun things to talk about. Today it's going to be
lucid dreaming and how to program it. So your bio
says you were a journalist at one point. What topics
did you focus on when you were a journalist?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, I was. I came out in the Watergate Pentagon papers,
and I thought that everybody in government was was on
the take and and corrupt and and and to be investigated,
and I was, I was a headhunter. I had to leave.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I just it was just too much, a little depressing,
wasn't well.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It was hectic, and I don't think I went around
it about it in a, you know, in a focused
objective manner.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Let's say, so, how'd you first become interested in metaphysics
and consciousness training?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah? Well, I I was a student of a psychic
who lived on Orchest Island in the San Juans off
Washington State, called Lewis Gittner, and he taught me many
things about consciousness training and dreams and such subjects. And
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then I had a profound experience all in the winter
of nineteen eighty I was living on a mountain in Oregon,
and not the one that blew up, the one next
to it, and I was snowed in for eight days,
and I had a spontaneous, very vivid, lucid dream that
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was profound, and I wanted to repeat it. I wanted
to re enter the dream. I wanted to be able
to go there on command and return to that very
very dream, that same dream, with let's say, a focused agenda.
And I wondered how to do that. And I studied,
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and I talked, and I met with Lewis, and I read,
and it took me to so very ancient books, yoga books,
vedic training, and I went back thousands of years ago
to the book called Yoga Sutras of Patangely, and it
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is a book on consciousness training. And that has been
my good book for all these many years because it
it does teach you about consciousness and consciousness training and
how to how to apply it. And this is where
the mystics of the Eastern science tradition kind of go
for this kind of training and consciousness.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So how old is that practice.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I believe it goes back probably four thousand years or older.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
My goodness. And yet do we know any more about
consciousness now than they figured out back then?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, I don't think so. I mean, I get
sometimes a little skeptical wild because I look at people
who want to talk about things like lucid dreams, and
they tend to be talking about material matters. You know,
they have a very material reductionist point of view. Everything
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has to be proven scientifically, it has to be measured
in material methods. And they don't believe it consciousness. They
believe consciousness is simply an on or off switch for
the physical brain. And I maintain that it is not.
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It is something else.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So is consciousness located in the brain or is it
somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, I'm going to say it's located everywhere about our being.
I won't say it's not located in your brain, but
it's not exclusively located in your brain. I believe that
consciousness is is energized awareness, and it is empowered to
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wearess and it exists on many levels of our holistic self,
that is the body, mind, and spirit. So that it's
located on us and about us and all around us.
And consciousness is then everywhere. I mean, if you go,
if you really want to study consciousness, And now physicists
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are doing this, they're finding that consciousness exists everywhere, that
everywhere is energy and awareness. It is. It is, as
the Hindus would say, it's a shiva and shocked.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So how do we know where our consciousness ends? And
the consciousness of nature safe for instance, begins, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Great question, boy, you really nail at grenda. This is it?
So consciousness is omnipresent. It is. It is the initializer,
the it is the the starting point of all awareness.
All living things therefore would be conscious. The earth itself
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is conscious. Rocks are conscious, trees are conscious, bees are conscious,
sand flees are conscious. I mean, where do we stop?
Certainly the hummingbirds that I just finished feeding a few
minutes ago are very conscious, very very aware. It is
it is energized awareness, and so we are all then
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we are all then connected by consciousness, and so becoming
aware of that is like a very high level of
what in the Eastern tradition they would call raja yoga
or awareness.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So is the consciousness if you take that and you
consider it in relationship to the brain. Does the brain
actually become a receiver and transmitter rather than a generator.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's it. That's it. So in my in my system
that I've learned, and I guess I had my own
personal slant on now lucid dreaming. My approach is that
your consciousness, your inner spirit, your consciousness that dwells within
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apart from your physical brain. Your mind goes somewhere and
has an experience, and then it comes back and it
absorbs the message, It internalizes the message, It washes over
it like waves of an ocean or the wind, and
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that it includes the analytical brain in what it knows.
It fills it in. It fills it in because the
analytical brain, our mind, was never in the dreamscape that
we call lucid dreams.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So the mind, apparently we misunderstand, grossly misunderstand it. And
if you're working with consciousness and trying to like you say,
to go out and you get some information, come back,
try to translate it to the brain. How much is
lost because the brain is so linear, how much can
it simply not grock if you will.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, that's it. It can't take a lot you know,
so you have to break it down gradually. And my
technique and coming back from a lucid dream is to
let it wash over the body, let the consciousness absorb
it and uh and kind of like review the scenes
you've seen without analyzing it, because if you analyze it,
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then you're you're you're activating the physical mind again. Now,
there's nothing in the memory that brings us to lucid dreams.
Those kind of dreams, those common dreams, are dreams of
the of the of the analytical mind based on memory.
So if you're dreaming of something of which you have
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no memory, ah, it is not the analytical mind at all,
but you come back and you fill it in and
being very linear, it can only absorb to a point.
So my technique and dream journaling to get to the
point everybody likes dream analysis, dream journaling and all that
good stuff. And that's not old, by the way. I mean,
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the Greeks five thousand years ago, we're doing that dream
analysis dream journaling. What does the turtle mean? And do
I write it down on my papyrus? As the Egyptian said, Well,
you know, the analytical mind can only absorb it to
a point. Being linear and not present at the scene.
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So what you do is you fill it in and
you come back from the dream. You say, okay, this
is where I've been. I'm going to report to you
now this is what it ooh, look here, I'm going
to send you some pictures. Ooh, file them away. Then
you get up and you feel really ready to go,
and you sit down at your writing desk and you
pull out your dream journal and you write down the
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basic outline of where you've been, what you've seen without
trying to overanalyze it. You can't overanalyze a lucid dream.
Having said that, everyone tries, and it's important that we
gain insight a very personal nature from these very meaningful,
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impactful dreams we call lucid dreams. But it is very
difficult for the analytical mind to do so, having never
been present and having no ability to really analyze it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So what does how does consciousness relate to the dreamscape?
To dreaming?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Consciousness is what's going to take you there. It is
going to be your vehicle. It is your spaceship that's
going to take you there. Zoom, you know. It is
the boat, the ferry that's going to take you there.
And the agenda you set up in your mind's eye.
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Then in programming, your lucid dream becomes a picture like
a map, and the consciousness looks at it and said, okay,
got it. Boom, We're gone, And it could take you
virtually anywhere because your consciousness, I'm just going to throw
it out there. Your consciousness is not limited by the
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physical realm it is. It is free to leave and
go anywhere at any time. So the lucid dream is
a dreamscape that can be quite exotic, and it can
be quite new and different.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So what's what's the difference between a lucid dream and
your regular garden variety.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I like to dream about my garden. You want
to talk tomatoes, gill. Okay, Now that the dreams we
have when we don't really put much into it like
dream work. And the ancients for thousands of years did
this thing called dream work, which was very serious use
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of dreams for discovery, prophecy, and insight. It was a
divine connection. It was a window to the soul. But
our common dreams, our dreams where we just are not
fully rested. We lie down and we are reluctant on
some level to really rest and let go.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Vn. I hate to do this. We're going to have
to leave this as a cliffhanger because it's time for
a station break, Vaughn and I will return very shortly,
so don't go away. This is Mission Evolution. Mission evolution
dot org. Is dream work new with is this our
discussing Programming Our Dreams? Is Von the author of Programming
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Your Lucid Dreams his website, Von Braschlar website dot com. Von,
we were talking about the difference between lucid dreaming and
your garden variety, and you were going to take me
out to pick some vegetables. But anyway, you get the idea,
what would you mind continuing with that?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, lucid dreaming is letting go. It is letting go
of your memories, your thoughts, your concerns, all of your worries.
It ends the endless chatter, the endless mind loop that
goes through our heads and will not shut off, so
that many times when we think we're going to sleep
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and we have a common dream, we're just simply reliving
something or playing out a scenario of our concerns about
what comes next. So it is it is the problem
of not shutting it off. We're all, well, I think
we're all. We're often warned not to listen to music
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or television or any distracting sounds when we're trying to
sleep because we can't really analyze them and it's confusing. Well,
this is what happens. You know. Our physical brain is
not shut down, is not at rest, and it's just
grinding away on these old issues of what happened yesterday,
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problems of today, and concerns about tomorrow, and it is
less aware than when you were fully awake. So you
have these kind of weird, twisted dreams of a common
nature and they're just kind of like rehashings of our concerns.
It is the brain that hasn't shut down. So this
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is kind of a sad thing. And it's where people
have nightmares or you know, cold sweats at night, and
it's very common with children they have nightmares because they
just haven't learned to put the mind to rest. It
is very important to say I'm going to sleep now.
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My body's going to be at rest and my mind,
my brain is going to be at rest. And then
if you want to program at least a dream, this
is what you do. You open up your consciousness to
come forward at that point and say, look, we've made
an agreement. We're going to let our body in, our
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physical mind rest, and our consciousness is going to take
us somewhere, and then you program where you want to go.
It is a matter then of letting go.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So is programming a process of setting intention.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, it is a matter of setting attention direction of
where you want to go, what you want to do,
and what you want to see. It is it is
a journey of goovery. And every journey, you know, you
have to plan for it, and you have to prepare
for it, and you have to pack for it. You
have to have an agenda where I'm going to go
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and how I'm going to get there, and uh, and
what I hope to discover and why am I going?
And and who is all going to go with me?
And this is there's a lot of planning. And so
what I advocate is that people begin to draw, learn
to draw pictures inside their head. This is what all
the animals do. Animals other than people, I'll put that
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you know where they want exception. We're just hopelessly in
love with words and sounds inside our head. And this
is not a two of your dog or your cat
or your pet Gerbil. They think in terms of pictures, pictures, pictures, pictures,
and they they think in terms of projecting pictures, and
they project thought forms in terms of pictures. And somehow
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most of us have lost this ability.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
When when we so from what you're saying to me,
when we are doing a garden variety dream or rehashing
things that have happened on this level of reality, is
you know, conversely, is lucid dreaming researched to this reality
or does it dance at the quantum level or something?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It dances at the quantum level. See, they're they're they're
very connected. You know. Consciousness is the study of energy,
quantum physics, this study of energy, it is it is
also the study of awareness and quantum physics the study
of awareness. We see now mysticism and science coming together
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converging at this time. This is wonderful, wonderful. And people
who want to hold on to a material reductionist point
of view, this linear thinking about everything, you know, I
have got to let go. Not everything is is concrete
and solid, and it can be put on a scale
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to the way you know, things are not measurable and
physically in some sense we're talking about about energy and awareness.
These are things that are not physical.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So for obsessed with a physical realm, and we look
for all of our beliefs and our solutions to come
from there, it would appear that nothing new particularly can
come from that is the lucid dreaming a source of
inspiration and new information.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Absolutely, it is the ultimately I think that personally, I
think that dream work is the most important thing that
people can learn to do. We know that people have
been doing this for at least five thousand years, you know,
going all the way back to the Inch summer. You know,
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the ancient king of Sumer had a dream of a
visionary dream of how to build a temple. You know,
we have the story of Gilgamesh in this journey through
various realms of reality in meeting with divinity. And this
is a common theme that goes through Egypt and the
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dream temples of Egypt, and and Aristotle and in Hypocrates,
and they all believe that dreams were a great means
of discovery, great discovery. And when we say discovery, this
is the spirit within you wanting to know more and
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wanting insight. But it also can be very practical. I mean,
I use lucid dreams to find lost objects I find.
I find lucid dreams to answer questions that I can't
resolve in a waking state with my analytical mind, because
my consciousness has new eyes and it is it is
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more adventuresome, and it can find things that I physically,
in my own memory don't know how to get there.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So, if indeed lucid dreaming dances with the quantum level,
that means it's they're obviously not bound by time and space.
Is that what makes them precognizant?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Absolutely? You know? And and it we can we can
dream outside normal space and time. We can go into
the past, we can go into the future. We can
certainly have dreams of precognition. We can. We know that
for many, many, many many years, people have had reliably
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good dreams of prophecy. And this can only be an
example of our consciousness looking forward in time and then
coming back and having the conscious memory of it, and
then translating that to our analytical mind saying don't take
twa tomorrow at two thirty, you know, So.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Let's let's dance with timelines within this, within this conversation.
So if we are going to have a precognisive dream,
how do we know which timeline it's on, and so
that we can find the timeline we want to be on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's it. So I find that I can draw a
dream and I don't have to be extremely specific. I
can just see myself in a certain situation, and my
spirit can find the place. Because my spirit being pure energy,
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being pure awareness and consciousness, my spirit can travel at
any point in time and space and it can find
these these these these situations. I don't have to know
exactly the place on earth or not on Earth. I
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don't need to know specifically the time of day, or
the year or the month to where I'm going. If
I can draw a picture, and I'm not a very
good artist, I assure you, but I can draw a picture,
and if I'm in the picture and my intent is
to go to that situation, my consciousness can take me there.
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It is like an an erring arrow.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So say, for instance, God forbid, I had some kind
of a horrible illness, and I decided to want to
navigate to a timeline where I can move beyond that illness.
I set my intent. I don't have to know which
timeline that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And since you're on the subject, there were many people
in classic Greece, like Aristotle Hippocrates, who believe that you
could diagnose and heal outside space and time using dreams.
I found that to be very true. I mean I've
led groups and actually going to what I call your
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special healing place and re enterize, reenerize, regenerating, regenerating and
rejuvenating oneself, whether physically, emotionally or spiritually depleted.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, if we think of illness as imbalance, okay, does
the dream take you to a place where you can
reconnect with your balance?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
That's it, you know, And this is going to be
different for each person. It's customized, right, I mean, there
isn't a special place that's going to be so right
for you but also so right for me. I mean
we're going to be looking for a special place of balance,
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and our consciousness knows where to find that place. I
think it's a matter of trusting your inner self. And
haven't we all been taught this forever? Trust your inner guide,
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So how does lucid dreaming relate to say, trance states
like shamanism?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, thank you exactly. So, so I find that while
I like to study some audimistics at the East, I
can also look at shamanic trance work and the vision
quest and going outside normal space and time. In shamanic
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visionary work. It is extremely extremely similar. I think we're
talking about like semantic differences. It is basically the same
approach I find. In fact, one of my teachers in
fact was called spot Spotted Dove, and she taught me
how to use my dreams to reach my own spirit animal,
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my spirit guide animal. It was extremely helpful, and that
was outside space and time.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So that's rather than using the Schamank trans you use
your dreams.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That's right. So she said, well, you know, she said,
you know you can. You can go there in a
you know, in a waking sense, and she said awaking
dreams smided trance. And then she said, or you can
you can do this in your dreams. She said, it's
the same thing, but you have to want to go there.
You have to want to go there, and you have
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to picture where you want to go, and you have
to have a great intent to go there, and then
an all consuming intent to go there, desire deep within you.
And then you will go there and yeah it is. Yeah,
that's the way trans work operates.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So once again we're working with very setting, very clear intent.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's it clear intent. It has to be the scific.
You can't be uh. And now I've said it's specific,
and before I said, you know, you can be somewhat vague.
Your spirit knows where it wants to go, but it
needs to know what you want to learn. So you
have you have to become. You have to know your
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inner self, you know, because you have you have to
know what your heart's desire is. You have to know
what you really need. And if you don't know, you
need have to need to have the sense to ask
your inner self, your spirit what it needs and where
it wants to go, because it will take you there.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. Are you Lucid?
This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot Org. With this
discussing Lucid dreaming is von Brochelar his website on broschlar
website dot com. Von again, as usual, one of the
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things you said me down a rabbit hole. Our dreams,
particular lucid ones. Given that they can connect with a
quantum level. Are they restricted to this planet or even
this galaxy?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
No, absolutely not. And we have to wrap our minds
around the idea that there are many levels of reality.
And I'm not speaking just of dimensional reality, you know,
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but there are many levels of reality that people tend
to call alternate reality, which are really not alternate reality.
It's a misnomer. We have to recognize that we have
on a consciousness level. Remember we talked about consciousness that
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resides all around us, within it and around us. It
exists on all parts of our being. And our whole
being then includes not only our physical body, but our
subtle energy bodies. Now, in the Hindu tradition, for instance,
they talk about chakras and subtle and subtle bodies. There
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are many other traditions that speak of it in different ways.
But the idea is that we have energy bodies that
are non physical bodies that relate to various aspects of
ourselves and reality. And one is an emotional level, or
an astral level, if you will, or an etheric level
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if you will. Then we have like a causal level
of awareness, and then we have like a mental level
of awareness, and then there are various higher spiritual bodies. Well,
we have at our disposed all these subtle energy bodies
which are fully energized and aware. They just need to
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become activated. So what I'm going to suggest to people
is that you're walking around with with energy that you're
not using. You have energy and awareness that you're not using.
And these are your subtle energy bodies which are fully
conscious fully energized, uh, and give you access to other
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planes of reality that are not alternate reality. But they're
right here right now. They're just not physical.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So that our physical senses doesn't pick it up doesn't
mean our energetic senses don't pick it up. We've been taught.
We've just been taught to ignore it. Is that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, no, no, I'm not in anywhere in any means
a scientific person, but I do know, as many of
our viewers surely know, that physicists today are quite aware
that there are parallel realities or parallel worlds if you will,
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that are very near to us. When I say aware of,
you know they quite know this. They're quite certain this
is true, and they're so close to us as to
be not far away that you need to take a
rocket to get there. They're right here, and it's just
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that we don't know how to activate them. It is
simply a matter of like becoming aware of our connection
to these parallel realities and parallel worlds. They're all about
us and everywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So let's talk a little bit about dream shareh I
find that fascinating. So would you tell us what it
is and how it works.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, it's a wonderful thing. You can have the same dream,
you can set up the same dream as somebody else,
and it's called dream sharing. And the idea is that
you you you program that you're going to have a
dream uh uh at a certain time, a certain night,
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you know you're going to embark on it. And when
you actually have the dream, and then you you compare
where you're going to go, so that you have an
agreement as to where you're going to go and what
you're going to see, and then you you appear together
in the dream. Now, I would ask our viewers to
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consider whether they've ever talked to somebody who who seem
to have the same dream that they had at on
the same night, Because it does happen. You say, well,
that's quite a coincidence, you know, But when you become
aware of other people sharing the same dreamscape as you.
This is quite quite fascinating. The advantage of this is
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that you can come back and you can discuss it
intelligently the two of you, because, as we mentioned before,
the analytical mind has a hard time of sorting it out,
and dream analysis becomes a little bit sortid at the end. Well,
you come back and you say, well, yeah, I was
there and I had this dream, and you were there
and you had this dream, and we both saw the
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same thing. And now two people could have this stream
if they're very well connected. You know, maybe a spouse
or a sister or a brother. It could be a
family member, it could be someone very close to you, twins.
Twins are very good at shared dreams. It could be
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a twin flame, you know, someone very close to you.
And then it is possible to have group dreaming too.
You have a whole group having the same dream, and
it's simply a matter of you set up the dream,
you agree that it's going to be similar. This is
kind of similar to remote viewing, where everybody agrees to
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go to a certain place at a certain time, and
it's the same principle.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So I've actually experienced. I was in a dorm with
a whole bunch of people, right, a whole bunch of
other other girls, and about six or seven us. We
were all in the same room, on different cots, and
about six or seven of us had the same dream
one night or very similar, very similar. We were like
at different angles from it, but it was very very similar.
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So proximity can also play party.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Well, I think that's true. I think proximity. I mean,
I've been most successful in setting up shared dreams with
someone right next to me, you know, and then of
course you know you're actually entering the dream at the
same time. You know, there's a certain amount of connectedness
and doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Is it because our fields are so close together?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I believe that could be well the case.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, I know in a lot of different shamanic studies
they like to get you in close proximity because it's
easier to get the information that way, because.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You're sharing energy energy field.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Right, gotcha, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. So if if
we do gain control over our dreams, one of the
major advantages.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Well you know, I mean I use it in a
very practical thing, you know, to find lost objects all
the time solving questions when I have something I can't resolve.
Sometimes when I'm going to do sort of project and
I don't quite know how to go about it, I'll
set it up, and very often I'll set it up
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where I say I need help, and I'll go to
a room and there'll be somebody there helping me. Oh uh,
you know a health center, you know, answer, you know,
very nice to have that kind of backup, you know
that you can go to. So actually visiting people, visiting people,
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healing discovery, you know. But most most importantly, I think,
and historically people have used lucid dreaming too for self
discovery and actually go somewhere and they find something and
see something, and it's opening your eyes to something new
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and becoming aware of something that's that's beyond your ability
to actually walk there and see it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So if you say, for instance, you've got this reoccurring issue,
we all know those usually in relationship, right, But if
you go to bennis, that's your intent to be given
information about that. Can you find things that wouldn't be
accessible to you in order to heal the issue?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I think? So you know, you can dial up, you
can dial up help, you can actually dial up you
can actually dial up dream helpers. You know, this is
this is something people should think about. Dream helpers people
that will help you on a dream level. These are
people you know that on the spirit realm will be
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there for you. You know, they could be people to do
this kind of work. You know, you can actually set
up a dream where you actually try to resolve a
problem with somebody and you know, and imagine a shared
dream of soth you're having a problem with you work
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and work it out in your dreams. This is extremely good.
But the way people have traditionally used dreams is for prophecy, healing,
divine connection, and then meaningful discovery. And by meaningful discovery,
I mean like like in think of terms of like
the hero's journey, where you embark on a great arc
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of a journey and then you have great encounters and
ups and downs and challenges and gatekeepers, you know, and
great moments of distress, and then you come out of this.
You emerge from this a greater person from the you know,
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from the discovery of it all. So I think that
you can actually every one of us is potentially a hero, right,
every one of us needs to take a hero's journey
and you don't have to leave home to do it.
You can do it in your dreams.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, it sounds like it could get pretty complex. Can
you do to be continued?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah? Absolutely, you know, and I think that and in
serious dream work, you know the kind that we read about,
you know, in ancient Rome or Egypt, they would seriously
want to go back and continue dreams and do an
expansion of dreams. Now, a lot of people say, I
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want to have that dream again? Do you want to
have that same dream again? You know it was it
just entertaining or was it impactful and meaningful? And if
it was meaningful, then I think you should like expand
on it. You should like push push it farther and farther,
you know, expansions to your dreams. So I think that
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the idea of recurring dreams could be expanding on the dreams.
So you're pushing it now. I have dreams situations that
I've continued for years, you know. And there are people
that I know in my dreams that I just don't
know in this physical reality, but they're out there somewhere.
Maybe they're dream friends. We're sharing our dreams. I know
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that a lot of people will have with a dream
of something called the Upper Room. In the upper room
is where you go and there's all people hearing some
great profound message. But everybody gets a different take on it.
They all hear something different, you know. It's usually it's
usually telepathic, you know. And this is called the Upper Room,
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you know. And and this is a common dream. This
is a common, common lucid dream. And people are when
they have this stream of the the Upper Room, they
will they will never forget it. It's very meaningful, you know,
and that you learn something on a very individual level
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that even though there were others there, perhaps that was
just for you, you know. And yeah, I think that's
a good use of a lucid dream.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
Please stay with us. Von and I are going to
continue to explore the fascinating dreamscape. This is Mission Evolution www.
Dot Mission evolution dot org. Consider the possibility it's not
just what you're dreaming or even where you're dreaming, but
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when this is Mission Evolution Mission evolution dot org. We're
continuing our discussion with Von broschlar is website. Bonbroschlar website
dot com. So Von we talked about lucidreaming being not
only connected to the quantum field, but outside of time
and space. If you're trying to program a dream, that
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means that there's a lot of things you have to
program into it, isn't it like when?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Where?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
How? What? Who?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
That's it? That's it. I always say to keep drawing
and drawing and drawing until you think you will you
have all the details, and you really can't be detail
oriented enough. You keep adding details because that all becomes
part of your focused intent where you're going to. You're
setting up a dream very specific, be very specific in
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how you want a dream. Now, you might not get
all of that because you know what Spirit might say, uhh,
this is out, this is out, you're not ready for this.
When I started this out, I had a lot of
things that were rejected. They were just flat out rejected.
Spirit rejected it. When I had a dream, a dream helper,
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a dream helper would say, I'm not taking you there.
You're not ready, you know. But yeah. What I love
about dream work is that it's you know, impactful, meaningful.
You literally can go anywhere alternate realities. But I love
that you can dream travel. You can you can travel
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outside of time and space. I just love that.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, it's freeing after we've been stuck in these physical
bodies believing that this is all there is, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Well, you know, it can be very meaningful to a
person to go back and discover not only how things
were as a child, and because you're you're the adult
in the room now watching yourself go through a childhood experience,
but you can also go quite a bit back in
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time to find out who you were before. This is
for a lot of people very significant, you know, and
it kind of like it kind of like, isn't who
you are now? But it also is an indicator how
you got to where you are now. Because the spirit
knows everything about you, you know, the past, the future,
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and the dreams can take you there.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Are we the spirit we seek?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Though?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Van is the spirit us?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
The spirit is us?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know, well, you talk about spirit helpers and dreams
are typically full of allegories and metaphors. Are these actual
beings or are they an allegory or a metaphor?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes and no, Yes, yes and no. Certainly you know,
to say that something is a certain form. It gets
back to materialism, you know, is a bit confusing. We
always tend to give everything a shape, right. I mean
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people are still wondering about sasquatch, right, They're wondering about
crop circles. Right. And you could say six different explanations,
and maybe all six of them are correct. It is,
it is all. It is all in a sense archetypal.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Our reality is archetypal, if you want to put it.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
So. There therefore it's allegorical. So all of these things
take on are seen through our ability to see anything. Okay,
but but but you know it is it is. You're
asking me what is reality? I have no idea, but
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but but it is. It is going to be what
what you see, and probably more. But if we don't
get out there and discover, we're not going to ever know.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
How does lucid dreaming change the dreamer if you consistently
work with it. Does it change your concept of what's possible?
Does it change your concept of reality?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Does it?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Can't change your concept of yourself.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It shows you that how many possibilities there are, and
how fit are the possibilities of our own personal evolution.
We are not simply little people occupying this little space
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and time. We are much more than that. But this
is all we see because this is where our five
senses are taking readings. So that's all we're taking, are
these readings from these five senses. We need to activate more.
We need to activate our consciousness on all our subtle
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energy body levels.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Because our five senses, just even what they sensor is
pretty darn limited as in comparison out there.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, So to get to the point, it's a matter
of like tuning out the five senses. So I never
ever advocate somebody setting up a dream with incense or
music or anything that's going to stimulate the five hyscal senses.
You need to actually tune those off, tune those out,
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you know, disconnect for a while, just for a moment.
You know, it's okay, you'll get to smell the roses
later on. But in its place is conscious awareness, and
your awareness is a different way of looking at things.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
So how much you know we are all most all
of us are anchored to a TV set or a tablet,
or our cell phones or social media. How is that
impacting our ability to let go and have a lucid dream?
Is it programming us?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I guess it is programming us and it's a little
bit sad, and yeah, I'm guilty of this as much
as anyone is. But we are all a product of
everything that we've seen and heard and experienced because this
is impacting our memories. Now, this is why it's so
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very important when we go into a lucid dream to
shut down our physical brain, you know, just for a moment,
just just put it on idle and and tuning out
all thoughts and words and conjecture. It is very important
that it absolutely you know, go you know, if you
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can't turn it off, put it on neutral. I always say,
like you don't just tune down the volume of the TV.
You go behind and you pull the cord. That is
that is it. So people who have learned to meditate
might have an easier time with this, you know. I
think one alternative to that would be to learn to
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do self hypnosis. And this is a great way to
train for people who have trouble with meditation.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
So if we again are able to cross time and space,
is it possible to go to our future selves and
get some advice on what did that go well for us?
Or should I look at doing it a different way?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
I personally found that very difficult. I've been able to
go into the future, but I have not been able
to see myself in the future. And I suspect this
because I wouldn't recognize myself. Don't know. I don't know
go in the past and find myself, but I can't
go in the future and find myself. I'm not saying
it's not possible. I just I don't want to advise
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someone to try something that I've never tried myself. But
I wouldn't rule it out. I know you can go
in the future. I definitely know you can go to
the future in a dream and it will take you
there and you'll see things. My goodness, Shamanic travelers have
done this for years, going forward to see what's going
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to impact their people.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
So if a person is trained in remote viewing, how
does that differ from lucid dreaming.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
I don't think it really does, you know, and people
look at me like your daft man, But I don't
think it does. I think it's just simply a matter
of learning to let go and then disconnect and then
take your consciousness and then and then leave and your
your your your conscious awareness is leaving and going somewhere
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and seeing something. Now, does it really go anywhere? I
don't know that there's even such a thing as space.
I don't. I really that's, you know, suspicious, that our
whole idea of thinking about time and space is so
twisted that we have it all wrong. I think it's
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all kind of like all on an all on an
end of a pin. Actually, I don't think you necessarily
are going anywhere. I think you're like your conscious awareness
certainly is going somewhere, and it's going beyond your present
frame of reference in terms of your analytical memory. But
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it's going somewhere, somewhere new.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
So if you were at this point, I'm sure a
lot of our audience is okay, so how do I
work this? Okay? So what's your advice for someone if
they're just starting out and want to learn how to
lucid dream and even tell if they're lucid dreaming?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Okay? The important thing is go into a very quiet
moment of introspection. I would call this meditation, but that
freaks some people out, and you get very quiet and
you think to yourself, Okay, self, I am going to
set up a dream and I'm going to program a dream,
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and then I'm going to go in my dream. I'm
going to allow myself to go in the dream. I'm
going to consciously then put my physical body to rest,
and I begin with my toes, my legs, my chest,
and my arms and all the way to the top
of my ears and my head and all, and then
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I put my physical brain to sleep, knowing that it
will be just fine, to be just fine. It's going
to be rested. And truly, you do come back from
a lucid dream fully rested. This is nice, and it'll
be the most RESTful night you've ever had. And then
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you have to actually begin to draw a picture of
where you want to go, what you want to see,
what you want to learn. And you don't have to
be a great artist, because you know you're going to
be able to interpret what you've drawn. You know you
don't need someone to explain to you. It means something
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to you, and that's most important. And then you tuck
that into the back of your your your consciousness, and
then you're looking now into a blank picture because you've
now suspended all analytical thought, and it's quiet in there,
and it's dark in there. And then you bring forward
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your drawing and now it's in front of your mind's
eye and you're looking at it and you're picturing exactly
where it is, and this then becomes a roadmap to
take you there and you allow yourself to go. It's
quite that simple, mhm. But it takes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Of practice, sounds like it might.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
And if all else fails, uh visualize, visualize someone to
come out. This whole thing, you know, is really a
matter of creative visualization.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, we are out of time, Von, Unfortunately, we always
have so much fun together and time just flies. But
thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Thank you, gild my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Our guest this hour has been Von Braschelar. Vaughn is
the author of more than a dozen books on metaphysics
and consciousness training, his latest programming Your Lucid Dreams. To
find out more about Vaughn, where you can find as
many books and all he has to offer, visit his website,
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
There's much to be learned from dreams. However, must we
simply wait for a random dream and content ourselves with
what information turns up? Or is dream programming a possibility?
Mission Evolution Radio Show is coming to you around the
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us this hour to explore gaining more power over your dreams.
Is von Broschlar VN is the author of more than
a dozen books on metaphysics and consciousness training. He served
on the Omega Institute of Holistic Health in New York
and won the Gold Medal for Visionary Writing in the
Cover Annual Book Awards. Von previously worked as an award
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winning journalist before becoming behind the scenes in book publishing
and later as a writer. His latest book is entitled
Programming Your Lucid dreams his website, Von broschlar website dot com.
Bon thank you for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well, thank you, Gwilda. Thank you for the invite.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It's always wonderful having you here. You always have such
fun things to talk about. Today it's going to be
lucid dreaming and how to program it. So your bio
says you were a journalist at one point. What topics
did you focus on when you were a journalist?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Oh, I was. I came out in the Watergate Pentagon papers,
and I thought that everybody in government was was on
the take and and corrupt and and and to be investigated,
and I was, I was a headhunter. I had to leave.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I just it was just too much, a little depressing,
wasn't well.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
It was hectic, and I don't think I went around
it about it in a, you know, in a focused
objective manner.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Let's say, so, how'd you first become interested in metaphysics
and consciousness training?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah? Well, I I was a student of a psychic
who lived on Orchest Island in the San Juans off
Washington State, called Lewis Gittner, and he taught me many
things about consciousness training and dreams and such subjects. And
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then I had a profound experience all in the winter
of nineteen eighty I was living on a mountain in Oregon,
and not the one that blew up, the one next
to it, and I was snowed in for eight days,
and I had a spontaneous, very vivid, lucid dream that
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was profound, and I wanted to repeat it. I wanted
to re enter the dream. I wanted to be able
to go there on command and return to that very
very dream, that same dream, with let's say, a focused agenda.
And I wondered how to do that. And I studied,
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and I talked, and I met with Lewis, and I read,
and it took me to so very ancient books, yoga books,
vedic training, and I went back thousands of years ago
to the book called Yoga Sutras of Patangely, and it
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is a book on consciousness training. And that has been
my good book for all these many years because it
it does teach you about consciousness and consciousness training and
how to how to apply it. And this is where
the mystics of the Eastern science tradition kind of go
for this kind of training and consciousness.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
So how old is that practice.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I believe it goes back probably four thousand years or older.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
My goodness. And yet do we know any more about
consciousness now than they figured out back then?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, I don't think so. I mean, I get
sometimes a little skeptical wild because I look at people
who want to talk about things like lucid dreams, and
they tend to be talking about material matters. You know,
they have a very material reductionist point of view. Everything
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has to be proven scientifically, it has to be measured
in material methods. And they don't believe it consciousness. They
believe consciousness is simply an on or off switch for
the physical brain. And I maintain that it is not.
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It is something else.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So is consciousness located in the brain or is it
somewhere else?
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Well, I'm going to say it's located everywhere about our being.
I won't say it's not located in your brain, but
it's not exclusively located in your brain. I believe that
consciousness is is energized awareness, and it is empowered to
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wearess and it exists on many levels of our holistic self,
that is the body, mind, and spirit. So that it's
located on us and about us and all around us.
And consciousness is then everywhere. I mean, if you go,
if you really want to study consciousness, And now physicists
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are doing this, they're finding that consciousness exists everywhere, that
everywhere is energy and awareness. It is. It is, as
the Hindus would say, it's a shiva and shocked.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
So how do we know where our consciousness ends? And
the consciousness of nature safe for instance, begins, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Great question, boy, you really nail at grenda. This is it?
So consciousness is omnipresent. It is. It is the initializer,
the it is the the starting point of all awareness.
All living things therefore would be conscious. The earth itself
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is conscious. Rocks are conscious, trees are conscious, bees are conscious,
sand flees are conscious. I mean, where do we stop?
Certainly the hummingbirds that I just finished feeding a few
minutes ago are very conscious, very very aware. It is
it is energized awareness, and so we are all then
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we are all then connected by consciousness, and so becoming
aware of that is like a very high level of
what in the Eastern tradition they would call raja yoga
or awareness.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
So is the consciousness if you take that and you
consider it in relationship to the brain. Does the brain
actually become a receiver and transmitter rather than a generator.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
That's it. That's it. So in my in my system
that I've learned, and I guess I had my own
personal slant on now lucid dreaming. My approach is that
your consciousness, your inner spirit, your consciousness that dwells within
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apart from your physical brain. Your mind goes somewhere and
has an experience, and then it comes back and it
absorbs the message, It internalizes the message, It washes over
it like waves of an ocean or the wind, and
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that it includes the analytical brain in what it knows.
It fills it in. It fills it in because the
analytical brain, our mind, was never in the dreamscape that
we call lucid dreams.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So the mind, apparently we misunderstand, grossly misunderstand it. And
if you're working with consciousness and trying to like you say,
to go out and you get some information, come back,
try to translate it to the brain. How much is
lost because the brain is so linear, how much can
it simply not grock if you will.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, that's it. It can't take a lot you know,
so you have to break it down gradually. And my
technique and coming back from a lucid dream is to
let it wash over the body, let the consciousness absorb
it and uh and kind of like review the scenes
you've seen without analyzing it, because if you analyze it,
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then you're you're you're activating the physical mind again. Now,
there's nothing in the memory that brings us to lucid dreams.
Those kind of dreams, those common dreams, are dreams of
the of the of the analytical mind based on memory.
So if you're dreaming of something of which you have
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no memory, ah, it is not the analytical mind at all,
but you come back and you fill it in and
being very linear, it can only absorb to a point.
So my technique and dream journaling to get to the
point everybody likes dream analysis, dream journaling and all that
good stuff. And that's not old, by the way. I mean,
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the Greeks five thousand years ago, we're doing that dream
analysis dream journaling. What does the turtle mean? And do
I write it down on my papyrus? As the Egyptian said, Well,
you know, the analytical mind can only absorb it to
a point. Being linear and not present at the scene.
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So what you do is you fill it in and
you come back from the dream. You say, okay, this
is where I've been. I'm going to report to you
now this is what it ooh, look here, I'm going
to send you some pictures. Ooh, file them away. Then
you get up and you feel really ready to go,
and you sit down at your writing desk and you
pull out your dream journal and you write down the
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basic outline of where you've been, what you've seen without
trying to overanalyze it. You can't overanalyze a lucid dream.
Having said that, everyone tries, and it's important that we
gain insight a very personal nature from these very meaningful,
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impactful dreams we call lucid dreams. But it is very
difficult for the analytical mind to do so, having never
been present and having no ability to really analyze it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
So what does how does consciousness relate to the dreamscape?
To dreaming?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Consciousness is what's going to take you there. It is
going to be your vehicle. It is your spaceship that's
going to take you there. Zoom, you know. It is
the boat, the ferry that's going to take you there.
And the agenda you set up in your mind's eye.
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Then in programming, your lucid dream becomes a picture like
a map, and the consciousness looks at it and said, okay,
got it. Boom, We're gone, And it could take you
virtually anywhere because your consciousness, I'm just going to throw
it out there. Your consciousness is not limited by the
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physical realm it is. It is free to leave and
go anywhere at any time. So the lucid dream is
a dreamscape that can be quite exotic, and it can
be quite new and different.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
So what's what's the difference between a lucid dream and
your regular garden variety.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Yeah, I like to dream about my garden. You want
to talk tomatoes, gill. Okay, Now that the dreams we
have when we don't really put much into it like
dream work. And the ancients for thousands of years did
this thing called dream work, which was very serious use
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of dreams for discovery, prophecy, and insight. It was a
divine connection. It was a window to the soul. But
our common dreams, our dreams where we just are not
fully rested. We lie down and we are reluctant on
some level to really rest and let go.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Vn. I hate to do this. We're going to have
to leave this as a cliffhanger because it's time for
a station break, Vaughn and I will return very shortly,
so don't go away. This is Mission Evolution. Mission evolution
dot org. Is dream work new with is this our
discussing Programming Our Dreams? Is Von the author of Programming
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Your Lucid Dreams his website, Von Braschlar website dot com. Von,
we were talking about the difference between lucid dreaming and
your garden variety, and you were going to take me
out to pick some vegetables. But anyway, you get the idea,
what would you mind continuing with that?
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Well, lucid dreaming is letting go. It is letting go
of your memories, your thoughts, your concerns, all of your worries.
It ends the endless chatter, the endless mind loop that
goes through our heads and will not shut off, so
that many times when we think we're going to sleep
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and we have a common dream, we're just simply reliving
something or playing out a scenario of our concerns about
what comes next. So it is it is the problem
of not shutting it off. We're all, well, I think
we're all. We're often warned not to listen to music
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or television or any distracting sounds when we're trying to
sleep because we can't really analyze them and it's confusing. Well,
this is what happens. You know. Our physical brain is
not shut down, is not at rest, and it's just
grinding away on these old issues of what happened yesterday,
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problems of today, and concerns about tomorrow, and it is
less aware than when you were fully awake. So you
have these kind of weird, twisted dreams of a common
nature and they're just kind of like rehashings of our concerns.
It is the brain that hasn't shut down. So this
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is kind of a sad thing. And it's where people
have nightmares or you know, cold sweats at night, and
it's very common with children they have nightmares because they
just haven't learned to put the mind to rest. It
is very important to say I'm going to sleep now.
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My body's going to be at rest and my mind,
my brain is going to be at rest. And then
if you want to program at least a dream, this
is what you do. You open up your consciousness to
come forward at that point and say, look, we've made
an agreement. We're going to let our body in, our
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physical mind rest, and our consciousness is going to take
us somewhere, and then you program where you want to go.
It is a matter then of letting go.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So is programming a process of setting intention.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yes, it is a matter of setting attention direction of
where you want to go, what you want to do,
and what you want to see. It is it is
a journey of goovery. And every journey, you know, you
have to plan for it, and you have to prepare
for it, and you have to pack for it. You
have to have an agenda where I'm going to go
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and how I'm going to get there, and uh, and
what I hope to discover and why am I going?
And and who is all going to go with me?
And this is there's a lot of planning. And so
what I advocate is that people begin to draw, learn
to draw pictures inside their head. This is what all
the animals do. Animals other than people, I'll put that
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you know where they want exception. We're just hopelessly in
love with words and sounds inside our head. And this
is not a two of your dog or your cat
or your pet Gerbil. They think in terms of pictures, pictures, pictures, pictures,
and they they think in terms of projecting pictures, and
they project thought forms in terms of pictures. And somehow
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most of us have lost this ability.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
When when we so from what you're saying to me,
when we are doing a garden variety dream or rehashing
things that have happened on this level of reality, is
you know, conversely, is lucid dreaming researched to this reality
or does it dance at the quantum level or something?
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It dances at the quantum level. See, they're they're they're
very connected. You know. Consciousness is the study of energy,
quantum physics, this study of energy, it is it is
also the study of awareness and quantum physics the study
of awareness. We see now mysticism and science coming together
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converging at this time. This is wonderful, wonderful. And people
who want to hold on to a material reductionist point
of view, this linear thinking about everything, you know, I
have got to let go. Not everything is is concrete
and solid, and it can be put on a scale
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to the way you know, things are not measurable and
physically in some sense we're talking about about energy and awareness.
These are things that are not physical.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
So for obsessed with a physical realm, and we look
for all of our beliefs and our solutions to come
from there, it would appear that nothing new particularly can
come from that is the lucid dreaming a source of
inspiration and new information.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Absolutely, it is the ultimately I think that personally, I
think that dream work is the most important thing that
people can learn to do. We know that people have
been doing this for at least five thousand years, you know,
going all the way back to the Inch summer. You know,
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the ancient king of Sumer had a dream of a
visionary dream of how to build a temple. You know,
we have the story of Gilgamesh in this journey through
various realms of reality in meeting with divinity. And this
is a common theme that goes through Egypt and the
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dream temples of Egypt, and and Aristotle and in Hypocrates,
and they all believe that dreams were a great means
of discovery, great discovery. And when we say discovery, this
is the spirit within you wanting to know more and
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wanting insight. But it also can be very practical. I mean,
I use lucid dreams to find lost objects I find.
I find lucid dreams to answer questions that I can't
resolve in a waking state with my analytical mind, because
my consciousness has new eyes and it is it is
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more adventuresome, and it can find things that I physically,
in my own memory don't know how to get there.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
So, if indeed lucid dreaming dances with the quantum level,
that means it's they're obviously not bound by time and space.
Is that what makes them precognizant?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Absolutely? You know? And and it we can we can
dream outside normal space and time. We can go into
the past, we can go into the future. We can
certainly have dreams of precognition. We can. We know that
for many, many, many many years, people have had reliably
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good dreams of prophecy. And this can only be an
example of our consciousness looking forward in time and then
coming back and having the conscious memory of it, and
then translating that to our analytical mind saying don't take
twa tomorrow at two thirty, you know, So.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Let's let's dance with timelines within this, within this conversation.
So if we are going to have a precognisive dream,
how do we know which timeline it's on, and so
that we can find the timeline we want to be on.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
That's it. So I find that I can draw a
dream and I don't have to be extremely specific. I
can just see myself in a certain situation, and my
spirit can find the place. Because my spirit being pure energy,
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being pure awareness and consciousness, my spirit can travel at
any point in time and space and it can find
these these these these situations. I don't have to know
exactly the place on earth or not on Earth. I
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don't need to know specifically the time of day, or
the year or the month to where I'm going. If
I can draw a picture, and I'm not a very
good artist, I assure you, but I can draw a picture,
and if I'm in the picture and my intent is
to go to that situation, my consciousness can take me there.
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It is like an an erring arrow.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So say, for instance, God forbid, I had some kind
of a horrible illness, and I decided to want to
navigate to a timeline where I can move beyond that illness.
I set my intent. I don't have to know which
timeline that's right.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And since you're on the subject, there were many people
in classic Greece, like Aristotle Hippocrates, who believe that you
could diagnose and heal outside space and time using dreams.
I found that to be very true. I mean I've
led groups and actually going to what I call your
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special healing place and re enterize, reenerize, regenerating, regenerating and
rejuvenating oneself, whether physically, emotionally or spiritually depleted.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Well, if we think of illness as imbalance, okay, does
the dream take you to a place where you can
reconnect with your balance?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
That's it, you know, And this is going to be
different for each person. It's customized, right, I mean, there
isn't a special place that's going to be so right
for you but also so right for me. I mean
we're going to be looking for a special place of balance,
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and our consciousness knows where to find that place. I
think it's a matter of trusting your inner self. And
haven't we all been taught this forever? Trust your inner guide,
That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
So how does lucid dreaming relate to say, trance states
like shamanism?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Yeah, thank you exactly. So, so I find that while
I like to study some audimistics at the East, I
can also look at shamanic trance work and the vision
quest and going outside normal space and time. In shamanic
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visionary work. It is extremely extremely similar. I think we're
talking about like semantic differences. It is basically the same
approach I find. In fact, one of my teachers in
fact was called spot Spotted Dove, and she taught me
how to use my dreams to reach my own spirit animal,
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my spirit guide animal. It was extremely helpful, and that
was outside space and time.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So that's rather than using the Schamank trans you use
your dreams.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
That's right. So she said, well, you know, she said,
you know you can. You can go there in a
you know, in a waking sense, and she said awaking
dreams smided trance. And then she said, or you can
you can do this in your dreams. She said, it's
the same thing, but you have to want to go there.
You have to want to go there, and you have
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to picture where you want to go, and you have
to have a great intent to go there, and then
an all consuming intent to go there, desire deep within you.
And then you will go there and yeah it is. Yeah,
that's the way trans work operates.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So once again we're working with very setting, very clear intent.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's it clear intent. It has to be the scific.
You can't be uh. And now I've said it's specific,
and before I said, you know, you can be somewhat vague.
Your spirit knows where it wants to go, but it
needs to know what you want to learn. So you
have you have to become. You have to know your
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inner self, you know, because you have you have to
know what your heart's desire is. You have to know
what you really need. And if you don't know, you
need have to need to have the sense to ask
your inner self, your spirit what it needs and where
it wants to go, because it will take you there.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. Are you Lucid?
This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot Org. With this
discussing Lucid dreaming is von Brochelar his website on broschlar
website dot com. Von again, as usual, one of the
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things you said me down a rabbit hole. Our dreams,
particular lucid ones. Given that they can connect with a
quantum level. Are they restricted to this planet or even
this galaxy?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
No, absolutely not. And we have to wrap our minds
around the idea that there are many levels of reality.
And I'm not speaking just of dimensional reality, you know,
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but there are many levels of reality that people tend
to call alternate reality, which are really not alternate reality.
It's a misnomer. We have to recognize that we have
on a consciousness level. Remember we talked about consciousness that
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resides all around us, within it and around us. It
exists on all parts of our being. And our whole
being then includes not only our physical body, but our
subtle energy bodies. Now, in the Hindu tradition, for instance,
they talk about chakras and subtle and subtle bodies. There
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are many other traditions that speak of it in different ways.
But the idea is that we have energy bodies that
are non physical bodies that relate to various aspects of
ourselves and reality. And one is an emotional level, or
an astral level, if you will, or an etheric level
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if you will. Then we have like a causal level
of awareness, and then we have like a mental level
of awareness, and then there are various higher spiritual bodies. Well,
we have at our disposed all these subtle energy bodies
which are fully energized and aware. They just need to
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become activated. So what I'm going to suggest to people
is that you're walking around with with energy that you're
not using. You have energy and awareness that you're not using.
And these are your subtle energy bodies which are fully
conscious fully energized, uh, and give you access to other
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planes of reality that are not alternate reality. But they're
right here right now. They're just not physical.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
So that our physical senses doesn't pick it up doesn't
mean our energetic senses don't pick it up. We've been taught.
We've just been taught to ignore it. Is that.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, no, no, I'm not in anywhere in any means
a scientific person, but I do know, as many of
our viewers surely know, that physicists today are quite aware
that there are parallel realities or parallel worlds if you will,
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that are very near to us. When I say aware of,
you know they quite know this. They're quite certain this
is true, and they're so close to us as to
be not far away that you need to take a
rocket to get there. They're right here, and it's just
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that we don't know how to activate them. It is
simply a matter of like becoming aware of our connection
to these parallel realities and parallel worlds. They're all about
us and everywhere.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
So let's talk a little bit about dream shareh I
find that fascinating. So would you tell us what it
is and how it works.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Well, it's a wonderful thing. You can have the same dream,
you can set up the same dream as somebody else,
and it's called dream sharing. And the idea is that
you you you program that you're going to have a
dream uh uh at a certain time, a certain night,
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you know you're going to embark on it. And when
you actually have the dream, and then you you compare
where you're going to go, so that you have an
agreement as to where you're going to go and what
you're going to see, and then you you appear together
in the dream. Now, I would ask our viewers to
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consider whether they've ever talked to somebody who who seem
to have the same dream that they had at on
the same night, Because it does happen. You say, well,
that's quite a coincidence, you know, But when you become
aware of other people sharing the same dreamscape as you.
This is quite quite fascinating. The advantage of this is
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that you can come back and you can discuss it
intelligently the two of you, because, as we mentioned before,
the analytical mind has a hard time of sorting it out,
and dream analysis becomes a little bit sortid at the end. Well,
you come back and you say, well, yeah, I was
there and I had this dream, and you were there
and you had this dream, and we both saw the
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same thing. And now two people could have this stream
if they're very well connected. You know, maybe a spouse
or a sister or a brother. It could be a
family member, it could be someone very close to you, twins.
Twins are very good at shared dreams. It could be
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a twin flame, you know, someone very close to you.
And then it is possible to have group dreaming too.
You have a whole group having the same dream, and
it's simply a matter of you set up the dream,
you agree that it's going to be similar. This is
kind of similar to remote viewing, where everybody agrees to
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go to a certain place at a certain time, and
it's the same principle.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
So I've actually experienced. I was in a dorm with
a whole bunch of people, right, a whole bunch of
other other girls, and about six or seven us. We
were all in the same room, on different cots, and
about six or seven of us had the same dream
one night or very similar, very similar. We were like
at different angles from it, but it was very very similar.
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So proximity can also play party.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Well, I think that's true. I think proximity. I mean,
I've been most successful in setting up shared dreams with
someone right next to me, you know, and then of
course you know you're actually entering the dream at the
same time. You know, there's a certain amount of connectedness
and doing it that way.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Is it because our fields are so close together?
Speaker 3 (35:14):
I believe that could be well the case.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, I know in a lot of different shamanic studies
they like to get you in close proximity because it's
easier to get the information that way, because.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You're sharing energy energy field.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Right, gotcha, gotcha, that makes perfect sense. So if if
we do gain control over our dreams, one of the
major advantages.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Well you know, I mean I use it in a
very practical thing, you know, to find lost objects all
the time solving questions when I have something I can't resolve.
Sometimes when I'm going to do sort of project and
I don't quite know how to go about it, I'll
set it up, and very often I'll set it up
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where I say I need help, and I'll go to
a room and there'll be somebody there helping me. Oh uh,
you know a health center, you know, answer, you know,
very nice to have that kind of backup, you know
that you can go to. So actually visiting people, visiting people,
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healing discovery, you know. But most most importantly, I think,
and historically people have used lucid dreaming too for self
discovery and actually go somewhere and they find something and
see something, and it's opening your eyes to something new
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and becoming aware of something that's that's beyond your ability
to actually walk there and see it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
So if you say, for instance, you've got this reoccurring issue,
we all know those usually in relationship, right, But if
you go to bennis, that's your intent to be given
information about that. Can you find things that wouldn't be
accessible to you in order to heal the issue?
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I think? So you know, you can dial up, you
can dial up help, you can actually dial up you
can actually dial up dream helpers. You know, this is
this is something people should think about. Dream helpers people
that will help you on a dream level. These are
people you know that on the spirit realm will be
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there for you. You know, they could be people to do
this kind of work. You know, you can actually set
up a dream where you actually try to resolve a
problem with somebody and you know, and imagine a shared
dream of soth you're having a problem with you work
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and work it out in your dreams. This is extremely good.
But the way people have traditionally used dreams is for prophecy, healing,
divine connection, and then meaningful discovery. And by meaningful discovery,
I mean like like in think of terms of like
the hero's journey, where you embark on a great arc
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of a journey and then you have great encounters and
ups and downs and challenges and gatekeepers, you know, and
great moments of distress, and then you come out of this.
You emerge from this a greater person from the you know,
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from the discovery of it all. So I think that
you can actually every one of us is potentially a hero, right,
every one of us needs to take a hero's journey
and you don't have to leave home to do it.
You can do it in your dreams.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well, it sounds like it could get pretty complex. Can
you do to be continued?
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah? Absolutely, you know, and I think that and in
serious dream work, you know the kind that we read about,
you know, in ancient Rome or Egypt, they would seriously
want to go back and continue dreams and do an
expansion of dreams. Now, a lot of people say, I
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want to have that dream again? Do you want to
have that same dream again? You know it was it
just entertaining or was it impactful and meaningful? And if
it was meaningful, then I think you should like expand
on it. You should like push push it farther and farther,
you know, expansions to your dreams. So I think that
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the idea of recurring dreams could be expanding on the dreams.
So you're pushing it now. I have dreams situations that
I've continued for years, you know. And there are people
that I know in my dreams that I just don't
know in this physical reality, but they're out there somewhere.
Maybe they're dream friends. We're sharing our dreams. I know
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that a lot of people will have with a dream
of something called the Upper Room. In the upper room
is where you go and there's all people hearing some
great profound message. But everybody gets a different take on it.
They all hear something different, you know. It's usually it's
usually telepathic, you know. And this is called the Upper Room,
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you know. And and this is a common dream. This
is a common, common lucid dream. And people are when
they have this stream of the the Upper Room, they
will they will never forget it. It's very meaningful, you know,
and that you learn something on a very individual level
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that even though there were others there, perhaps that was
just for you, you know. And yeah, I think that's
a good use of a lucid dream.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Well, it's time for us to take another station break.
Please stay with us. Von and I are going to
continue to explore the fascinating dreamscape. This is Mission Evolution www.
Dot Mission evolution dot org. Consider the possibility it's not
just what you're dreaming or even where you're dreaming, but
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when this is Mission Evolution Mission evolution dot org. We're
continuing our discussion with Von broschlar is website. Bonbroschlar website
dot com. So Von we talked about lucidreaming being not
only connected to the quantum field, but outside of time
and space. If you're trying to program a dream, that
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means that there's a lot of things you have to
program into it, isn't it like when?
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Where?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
How? What? Who?
Speaker 3 (41:49):
That's it? That's it. I always say to keep drawing
and drawing and drawing until you think you will you
have all the details, and you really can't be detail
oriented enough. You keep adding details because that all becomes
part of your focused intent where you're going to. You're
setting up a dream very specific, be very specific in
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how you want a dream. Now, you might not get
all of that because you know what Spirit might say, uhh,
this is out, this is out, you're not ready for this.
When I started this out, I had a lot of
things that were rejected. They were just flat out rejected.
Spirit rejected it. When I had a dream, a dream helper,
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a dream helper would say, I'm not taking you there.
You're not ready, you know. But yeah. What I love
about dream work is that it's you know, impactful, meaningful.
You literally can go anywhere alternate realities. But I love
that you can dream travel. You can you can travel
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outside of time and space. I just love that.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, it's freeing after we've been stuck in these physical
bodies believing that this is all there is, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Well, you know, it can be very meaningful to a
person to go back and discover not only how things
were as a child, and because you're you're the adult
in the room now watching yourself go through a childhood experience,
but you can also go quite a bit back in
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time to find out who you were before. This is
for a lot of people very significant, you know, and
it kind of like it kind of like, isn't who
you are now? But it also is an indicator how
you got to where you are now. Because the spirit
knows everything about you, you know, the past, the future,
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and the dreams can take you there.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Are we the spirit we seek?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Though?
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Van is the spirit us?
Speaker 3 (43:57):
The spirit is us?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
You know, well, you talk about spirit helpers and dreams
are typically full of allegories and metaphors. Are these actual
beings or are they an allegory or a metaphor?
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes and no, Yes, yes and no. Certainly you know,
to say that something is a certain form. It gets
back to materialism, you know, is a bit confusing. We
always tend to give everything a shape, right. I mean
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people are still wondering about sasquatch, right, They're wondering about
crop circles. Right. And you could say six different explanations,
and maybe all six of them are correct. It is,
it is all. It is all in a sense archetypal.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Our reality is archetypal, if you want to put it.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
So. There therefore it's allegorical. So all of these things
take on are seen through our ability to see anything. Okay,
but but but you know it is it is. You're
asking me what is reality? I have no idea, but
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but but it is. It is going to be what
what you see, and probably more. But if we don't
get out there and discover, we're not going to ever know.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
How does lucid dreaming change the dreamer if you consistently
work with it. Does it change your concept of what's possible?
Does it change your concept of reality?
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Does it?
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Can't change your concept of yourself.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
It shows you that how many possibilities there are, and
how fit are the possibilities of our own personal evolution.
We are not simply little people occupying this little space
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and time. We are much more than that. But this
is all we see because this is where our five
senses are taking readings. So that's all we're taking, are
these readings from these five senses. We need to activate more.
We need to activate our consciousness on all our subtle
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energy body levels.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Because our five senses, just even what they sensor is
pretty darn limited as in comparison out there.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, So to get to the point, it's a matter
of like tuning out the five senses. So I never
ever advocate somebody setting up a dream with incense or
music or anything that's going to stimulate the five hyscal senses.
You need to actually tune those off, tune those out,
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you know, disconnect for a while, just for a moment.
You know, it's okay, you'll get to smell the roses
later on. But in its place is conscious awareness, and
your awareness is a different way of looking at things.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
So how much you know we are all most all
of us are anchored to a TV set or a tablet,
or our cell phones or social media. How is that
impacting our ability to let go and have a lucid dream?
Is it programming us?
Speaker 3 (47:44):
I guess it is programming us and it's a little
bit sad, and yeah, I'm guilty of this as much
as anyone is. But we are all a product of
everything that we've seen and heard and experienced because this
is impacting our memories. Now, this is why it's so
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very important when we go into a lucid dream to
shut down our physical brain, you know, just for a moment,
just just put it on idle and and tuning out
all thoughts and words and conjecture. It is very important
that it absolutely you know, go you know, if you
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can't turn it off, put it on neutral. I always say,
like you don't just tune down the volume of the TV.
You go behind and you pull the cord. That is
that is it. So people who have learned to meditate
might have an easier time with this, you know. I
think one alternative to that would be to learn to
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do self hypnosis. And this is a great way to
train for people who have trouble with meditation.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
So if we again are able to cross time and space,
is it possible to go to our future selves and
get some advice on what did that go well for us?
Or should I look at doing it a different way?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
I personally found that very difficult. I've been able to
go into the future, but I have not been able
to see myself in the future. And I suspect this
because I wouldn't recognize myself. Don't know. I don't know
go in the past and find myself, but I can't
go in the future and find myself. I'm not saying
it's not possible. I just I don't want to advise
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someone to try something that I've never tried myself. But
I wouldn't rule it out. I know you can go
in the future. I definitely know you can go to
the future in a dream and it will take you
there and you'll see things. My goodness, Shamanic travelers have
done this for years, going forward to see what's going
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to impact their people.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
So if a person is trained in remote viewing, how
does that differ from lucid dreaming.
Speaker 3 (50:07):
I don't think it really does, you know, and people
look at me like your daft man, But I don't
think it does. I think it's just simply a matter
of learning to let go and then disconnect and then
take your consciousness and then and then leave and your
your your your conscious awareness is leaving and going somewhere
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and seeing something. Now, does it really go anywhere? I
don't know that there's even such a thing as space.
I don't. I really that's, you know, suspicious, that our
whole idea of thinking about time and space is so
twisted that we have it all wrong. I think it's
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all kind of like all on an all on an
end of a pin. Actually, I don't think you necessarily
are going anywhere. I think you're like your conscious awareness
certainly is going somewhere, and it's going beyond your present
frame of reference in terms of your analytical memory. But
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it's going somewhere, somewhere new.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
So if you were at this point, I'm sure a
lot of our audience is okay, so how do I
work this? Okay? So what's your advice for someone if
they're just starting out and want to learn how to
lucid dream and even tell if they're lucid dreaming?
Speaker 3 (51:34):
Okay? The important thing is go into a very quiet
moment of introspection. I would call this meditation, but that
freaks some people out, and you get very quiet and
you think to yourself, Okay, self, I am going to
set up a dream and I'm going to program a dream,
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and then I'm going to go in my dream. I'm
going to allow myself to go in the dream. I'm
going to consciously then put my physical body to rest,
and I begin with my toes, my legs, my chest,
and my arms and all the way to the top
of my ears and my head and all, and then
(52:19):
I put my physical brain to sleep, knowing that it
will be just fine, to be just fine. It's going
to be rested. And truly, you do come back from
a lucid dream fully rested. This is nice, and it'll
be the most RESTful night you've ever had. And then
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you have to actually begin to draw a picture of
where you want to go, what you want to see,
what you want to learn. And you don't have to
be a great artist, because you know you're going to
be able to interpret what you've drawn. You know you
don't need someone to explain to you. It means something
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to you, and that's most important. And then you tuck
that into the back of your your your consciousness, and
then you're looking now into a blank picture because you've
now suspended all analytical thought, and it's quiet in there,
and it's dark in there. And then you bring forward
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your drawing and now it's in front of your mind's
eye and you're looking at it and you're picturing exactly
where it is, and this then becomes a roadmap to
take you there and you allow yourself to go. It's
quite that simple, mhm. But it takes a little bit.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Of practice, sounds like it might.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
And if all else fails, uh visualize, visualize someone to
come out. This whole thing, you know, is really a
matter of creative visualization.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Well, we are out of time, Von, Unfortunately, we always
have so much fun together and time just flies. But
thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Thank you, gild my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Our guest this hour has been Von Braschelar. Vaughn is
the author of more than a dozen books on metaphysics
and consciousness training, his latest programming Your Lucid Dreams. To
find out more about Vaughn, where you can find as
many books and all he has to offer, visit his website,
Von Broschler website dot com. This has been Mission Evolution
(54:40):
with Gwildaweka. For more information or to enjoy past archived episodes,
visit www dot Mission evolution dot org. But most importantly,
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where this mission will continue bringing information, recale, curses, and
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support to an evolving world.
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