Hold Onto Your Seats! Darryll Walsh is a science trained, independant analytical parapsychologist who is the Execturive Director of the Centre For Parapsychological Studies in Canada, CPSC, President of Ghost Project Canada, GPC, and Director of Research for Paranormal Phenomena Research and Investigation, PPRI. He also teached parapsychology courses at the Parapsychological Education Centre and the Nova Scotia Community College and has published five books on the paranormal. His areas of interest/specialty include: Deathbed Visions, Near Death Experiences, Ghosts, and Bigfoot. He has analysed over 7,300 Bigfoot reports, and has three Jack the Ripper manuscripts nearing completion. To relax, he photographs/films haunted or abandoned roads, railroads, buildings, etc.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to Mission Evolution for science and spirituality merge in
the quest for human advancement. I'm your host, Guildawiyeka. In
this hour, we'll journey into the analytical side of the
unexplained with doctor Darryl Walsh, Executive Director of Center for
Parapsychological Studies in Canada, President of Ghost Pro Projet Canada
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and Director of Research for ppri I Paranormal Phenomenon Research
and Investigation. With the background grounded in science, Doctor Walsh
has dedicated his career to exploring the mysteries of death, consciousness,
and cryptids such as Bigfoot, while maintaining a discipline, data
driven approach to the paranormal, from near death experiences to
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the psychology of hauntings. We'll examine how science and the
supernatural meat in the search for truth. Stay tuned. Our
evolution begins right now, Doctor Walsh, thank you so much
for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So, doctor Walsh, what originally drew you to study the
paranormal from a scientific perspective?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, it's interesting because there are things that drove me
to want to understand the paranormal, and then there were
things that drove me to do it as a science.
I had originally set out to become a clinical psychologist,
and I wanted to deal with gay teens, and so
therefore I studied a very quite a varied and wide
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field of different family therapy, sex therapy, suicide drugs, the
whole shebang, except for anxiety disorders, of which my family
myself suffer from. But it was the one blind spot
in that. And what had happened was, while I was
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doing this, an opportunity came to teach at the Nova
Scotia Community College, and that same year I had founded
the Center for Paar Psychological Studies in Canada, which I've
regretted ever since because it typing that out is saying
it and typing it is rather annoying. But anyway, and
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what it was it was. It was a group with
us that were interested in trying to understand the paranormal
and then use instead just which we did just collecting
the information. We wanted to do analysis simultaneously that I
was teaching, and so I took a scientific view because
I was still studying be a psychologist at this point.
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So they kind of merged. Psychology fell off for various reasons,
and parapsychology stayed on. I also taught fantatology classes on
death and dying and cryptozoology, and I'm actually teaching a
crypto zoology class now and where are we Monday Wednesday.
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I'm teaching about lake monsters and sea monsters. So it
happened accidentally when I had people coming to my classes,
whether it's my writing classes or my parapsychology classes, but
in particular the writing classes, I tell them, listen right now,
you're just you've got ideas, perhaps maybe you've got something
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written down or typed up, and you're wondering where you
should go or if you should proceed or whatever. And
I'm reminded, and I should have looked this up. But
the quote that's in Lord of the Rings when Bilbo
says if you step outside your door and you don't
watch where your feet are, God knows where you're going
to end up at. And then I start off as
in grade seven, and then start because it was actually
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in grade seven. I was twelve when this hole started,
primarily with cryptozoology. And then I start, and I go
through all the different things, from doing TV series to
being pub books published, to doing interviews like this, to
giving talks, inspirational talks as well documentaries, blah blah blah
blah blah, and I go through the whole thing. I say, so,
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I didn't expect to do this. This wasn't where I started.
I wrote, you have.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
One of the most unique academic backgrounds in parapsychology in Canada.
How does your scientific training influence your investigative methods?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, I got to tell you it's a great bullshit thing.
It comes on in the back of your mind when
you get told something that just is way too out
there now interdimensional beings, you know, bigfoots and Internet interdimensional being
or or as I usually say, don't show me a
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pile of dung and tell me it's a unicorn. You know,
I need better evidence than that. And there is good
evidence coming out of death bed visions and your death experiences,
and and some of the bigfoot and cryptids have been discovered.
So there are things in this, in all these three
fields that I'm into that you know, including clinical hypnotherapy.
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Actually I forgot, always forget about that one because I
don't practice it. If I was paid for all the
degrees and everything I took for something and never practiced,
I'd be rich. Uh So, yeah, my science, does you know?
They're true parts of me. There's a ten year old
boy that just loves the story. So if you tell
me in Nova Scotia, which is no Bigfoot, but would say,
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you tell me down outside of New Glasgow, a big
hairy monster was seen, you know, And I tell my
classes and cryptozoology people. One of the students ask me why.
I said, because it's fun. It's monsters, That's why we
do it. Par psychology, we're trying to understand the spirit.
We're trying to understand the soul. We're trying to stand
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consciousness and whether or not we can peek into the
other side. And if they come here, there must have
to be this exchange of atmospheres environments. However, I said,
if we're looking for cryptids. We're doing it because it's finding.
We want to find the hairy monsters. So there's a
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ten year old boy in me that still can be
frightened with ghosts. Fore Runners in particular, scare the living,
you know what out of me other things. I'm a
little more jaded. And then there's the doctor Walsh bit
that needs a lot more than just somebody saw something. Now,
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the interesting thing is we had both Eliot, who's going
to be on and I believe at three or four
o'clock or is going to be taped at that time.
He and I put together class or I should say,
a show called Frontiers of the Paranormal, and what we
were going to do we were going to do exactly
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essentially what you're doing. We were going to use non
standard investigative tools to try to understand what's going on.
There have been great strides in parapsychology that people have
just forgot about. Poaltrigeist in particular, there was a fascinating
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study in twenty twelve. What it would pretend is amazing,
but nobody ever did the study over again. You know,
it's been ignored. We couldn't get the class I'll keep
saying that we could not get the show off the
air because we weren't going to be able to For instance,
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there are certain you can make a haunted you can
recreate a haunted house. Essentially people go in and they
will feel like it's a haunting. To us, it was
just showing how various factors that we have never taken
in to account before can cause certain things. We were
not saying there's no ghosts. We're not saying there's no
soul or there's no hauntings.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It was just to explain, well, can you explain I
want that? Can you explain the mission of the Center
for Psychological Studies in Canada and how it contributes to
the legitimate research in this field.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, we've been at it since nineteen ninety six, so
we've collected a lot of data and done analysis. For instance,
I've done analysis personally a seven thousand, three hundred Bigfoot
reports and got to see that most people have it
wrong and they're not going to find bigfoot the way
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they're looking for it. So yeah, so we've been and
now through Ghost Project Canada, what we're doing is we
are taking all the We're less picky, it's more of
a folklore and believes some supernatural events that are reported
not necessarily are we going through them and thinking this real?
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This not? And what we're doing is we're doing analysis,
geographical analysis. Where where will most you know, prevalent at
where got ship's most prevalent lent at? And you'll say, yes,
it'll be the oceans or the seas, and that's not
entirely true. Uh So there's a little teaser there, you know,
where where are all these things mostly reported? And how
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are they different across the country. And so we're trying
to do this in a statistical and geographic analysis to
understand why people where people believe these things, why they
might believe these things, and who knows, we might actually find,
you know, truth somewhere. Now. The truth sometimes is not
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going to be what everybody wants to hear, or even myself,
but sometimes I think there's going to be truth that
we all want to hear in this field. So it's
it's fascinating, it's enjoyable. It's slow because we need volunteers,
and a pandemic really put a dent into into everything,
so we're kind of slow getting back up at it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But this leads me to. My next question is what
are the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology is to study it seriously.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is a bad share I'm showing for the first time,
so my apologies.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a poltergeist.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's yes, if anything can go wrong, it will. Could
you repeat that question, Realisa?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I can't imagine why we're wanted to, but.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I was killing myself at the moment.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So one of the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology and those
who study it seriously, they.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Think we're fools. For one thing, there is a strong
belief in parapsychology and ghosts. It's not in the whole paranormal.
They pick and choose. It's very a la carte. But
once you start taking into account science, they think you're
a fool. In England, it's called going down the road
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to lock ness, because of course there is no monster
in lockedness, but there is some there. There's something either
psychological or physical that's causing all these you know reports,
and I think it's woven in with sociology and a
whole bunch of things. But anyway, to the scientists, you're
a fool if you do that. So if they call
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that down the road to lock ness if you're going
to investigate haunted houses, or if you're going to investigate
deathbed visions and things like that. So even in Paris,
the psychological like said the Society for Psychological jay Wiz,
Society for Psychological Research, the foremost ghost event, what was
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originally parapsychology or ghost research even now has their talks
are turning much more less from being specific and where's
the evidence, to just throwing things out there. And so
therefore I've noticed that across Paara psychology that scientists are
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still officially you know, think we're fools. Although I love them,
believe in what we're doing, they just can't be seen
to be doing that, nor do they have the time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Can you separate genuine paranormal psychology from hoax's misinterpretations or
psychological factors?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well that's a lot. This is what is the best
example we know, there's no plesiosaur in. Lockedness could not
happen period full stop. So what is locked ness? So
there's psychological things going on. People want to see the monster.
It's a very creepy lake. Most times it's filmed when
it's beautiful, but really it's not when it's dark, I'm
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gonna be stormy. There's the economic aspect of it. Of course,
more people report something strange, like a wave whatever, then
people will come and spend money and all that. There's
a sociological aspect that we need monsters and because it's fun.
It's scary a bit. But if they're in the lake
and I'm safe up in a hotel on the side
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of the of the reversion, I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sorry to interrupt. We're gonna have to pick up on
other side of a station break, doctor Walsh, and I
will return very shortly, so don't you go away. This
is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Is
any of this real? With this is our discussing validating
the paranormal? Is Doctor Jarl Walsh, Director of research for
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pp r I dot net. Doctor Walsh has modern technology
such as AI data and analytics or infrared imaging change
the way you study or document the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Suret answer, no, infrared is overblown, and of course it's
on needs an image on you know, a piece of
equipment usually not recordable, and tells you nothing. AI that
has a brain of its own, obviously, because that's what
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it is. So therefore I think it could be used
to do an analytical work, and we'll certainly use it
for Ghost Project Canada. But I think we also want
to keep the hard sciences as well, the mathematics and
to this. So, yes they do and they don't. You know,
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it's it's we ghosts are extinct. That's what I tend
to tell people, because it has changed over one hundred
years how we validate something is haunted or if it's
a ghost. We no longer see a physical being. I
mean there's no clanking change. For one thing, and yes
that was a thing, but no, there's no clanking change.
There's no figures in white unless it's a hoax. What
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we do is we take record something and then we
listen to the white noise and pretend we hear voices,
or sometimes we actually do hear voices, but have nothing
to do with the haunting. So I had give the
Paranormal Supposium we have here at Halifax every year, which
is November first. This year the first year I gave
a talk on how ghosts are extinct and the usual
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way we would go looking for one we don't do anymore,
or I should say most people don't do anymore because
they're they see TV and they think that's the way
it's supposed to be, and it's not. I always said
to my class, if you're going to go look for ghosts,
and explained already how more or less how to do it,
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I said, if you're having fun, you're doing it wrong.
Looking for ghosts. Being a parapsychologist is an extremely boring,
poverty stricken, long intensive study of something. And it can
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be fun when you first start, but if you're doing
it right, it's going to bore you to tears. It's
going to be very statistical. You're going to have to
do a law of analysis of let's say, anything you find,
including you know, EVPs. And although I don't put any
stock in them, still yes people do and why not.
But you can do analysis of it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We might in your experience. Is there a typical haunting
or do manifestations significantly vary from case to case?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well they do, they very You know why they vary.
They vary from the people who are investigating them. There
is the hauntings haven't really changed at all period, full stop.
They're there. It's like one plust one, Egles two and
all of a sudden someone comes in and says, well,
one post one egles twenty five people. It's called the
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investigator effect. People will find what they're looking for. And
because of TV, they think they have to go down
to the basements and the dirty places and have the greens,
you know, color on and all the equipment and there's
like ten fifteen people down there, and it's like nobody
should be down there if that's a haunted place. And
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also you should be able to do it at noon
how or not just at nighttime. You would set up
the equipment and you would be outside and then you
would do the analysis of what is going on inside.
You should never be inside a haunted house. But that
has changed from when you know, the science of it,
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the you know, the way that we're supposed to do
it morph because of the Internet and TV. So right now,
right now, parapsychology is not thought of in a high
uh you know, thought of very highly highly thought of
it is, and cryptozoology isn't either because of the TV shows.
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The Internet and TV has more or less ruined a
lot of science is not just our sciences and not
just cryptism and this kind of thing, and our reputations. Yeah,
it's it has changed and not for the best. But
what everybody on my side where somebody else's side is
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looking for it hasn't changed. There's still a spirit there.
I believe there's a spirit there because I've I've seen
things that I believe would day that are soul. We
do have a soul. Both my parents had death bad
visions before they died. Yeah, so, I mean, you know,
I believe in that there's enough evidence in near death
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experiences that the show that we do have a soul.
We do have some sort of spirit that goes on
and comes back sometimes is either sent back or comes
back on their own. And so and every time we
investigate farther and farther into a near death experience, the
more we prove it, unlike let's say some of the
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other things that we don't have as much luck. Maybe
it's more they're more amorphous.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But we'll get into near death experiences in a little bit.
I find it absolutely fascinating. But you were mentioning speaking
and teaching of courses in parapsychology. How receptive are students
applying critical thinking to topics that are often dismissed by
like you were saying mainstream academia.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I find with an I find the students that
come in obviously are highly motivated. They're very interested in
the course. They're very obviously interested in the various topics
that's there. I've also found with exceptions, there might be
one or two, but usually they are They ask her questions,
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They asked you know, they pushed me, which is why
I love teaching. There's always one or two people that
are going to push you. What does that mean. I've
been teaching before and somebody has pushed me somewhere and
I've thought, hey, I never did think of that, you know,
and that's fascinating, and so anyway, Yeah, I usually have
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about seventy five percent eighty five percent of the students
will be critical thinkers. They're there because they're very interested
in the topic. But they just don't want me to
tell them Bigfoot exists, and that's that. They want some evidence.
They want to talk about breeding populations, whatever it is.
If it's anatology with death and dying, they want to
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understand exactly what usually goes on when that happens, and
they have some very interesting questions, most eventually are unanswerable.
Same with near death experiences. So yes, in the wave,
and then you get usually the one or two that
are all in. I mean they're there because they already believe,
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and they already have a set belief system. And that's
fine because they could be right. For some of the topics,
they could be very right. We don't know yet. We
haven't managed to haven't managed to put our hands on
things like psychokinesis and psycho you know, telepathy and things
like that. They're very amorphous, and as soon as we
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think we have the pin down. And I was actually
for a very quick I was with doctor Michael Persinger,
who in the nineties was often in a lot of
programs and seen as a as a skeptic, but he
was We had gone to interviewing for my show shadow Hunter,
so we were looking for a scientific view of all
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these things, and we wanted, we thought we wanted a
little bit of skepticism. But he freaked me out. One thing.
He was neuroscientist, and I did not take neurobiology, so
therefore I was lost. But the parents that he did
speak of and his psychokinesis was what he did. He
spoke of when a student came to talk to him,
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and there was a pen on the desk between them,
and it hadn't moved. It was his pen hadn't moved.
She moved that pen towards him with her mind. She
was like, I am reasonably for well, I can't reach.
But let's say she was like this that she could
not touch it, she could not blow on as she
you know, there was no that pen moved. Now, because
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of the fact psychokinesis, I was kind of, oh, I
don't know, But because I have the respect of that
man who has since died, and because he was a
person who used science to look at things, and he
believed in psychokinesis, and he believed in telepathy. He had
an interesting theory about it, but he came at it
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from the scientific way. He believed in our spirit. And
so therefore, if the person you thought, you know, would
be a skeptic and would be too hardcore, was actually
a believer. And it was fascinating. And when he told
me that story about the pen moving, I mean, I
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have to take that seriously because I respect the man.
He's too, he's you know, he's contributed to parapsychology in
various ways that we even today we think of, and
he's not the kind of guy to b S or bbs.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So what ethical considerations come into play when you're studying
people's personal experience of the paranormal, Well.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That starts to come into clinical parapsychology, which I have
studied and Elliott has as well. You have to be
careful because you don't know exactly when someone comes to you.
Sometimes they're very upset, or they're very discombobulated, which is
a perfect word for it. They don't know how to
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react to this experience that's happened to them. So luckily,
I am a psychotherapist trained as a psychotherapist and never
made it to clinical psychologists, but I always train as
a psychotherapist, so I know how to deal with them
and how to calm them down. Explain that these random
events happen a lot, these are the various possibilities. They'll
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ask me, then what do I think? And obviously then
I'll give up. Well, there's two parts of me. I'll
believe it, but the science part of me will force
me to try to find evidence for that. But I
believe what you are telling me that there is something
going on. Now, let's together, let's find out wh it is,
don't worry about it. It can't harm you, period, full stop.
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And the stories so don't be afraid. And essentially that's
how it goes. And so you go with them and
you unders try to understand what's going on. Most times
there's something very mundane, but there's always the one or
two that you're going to bump into that you're going
to look at and say, I can't explain that one.
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We can't explain that one, And I'll speak to Elliott,
bring him in, and he might bring somebody else in
that he knows to talk about it. And we do
it fairly often and sometimes though we just bump into
that wall that we can't understand.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, study, have you studied deathbed visions and near death experiences?
What consistent themes have you found across the cases?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, they're fascinating. Actually, deathbed visions. Can you imagine that
you're dying and all of a sudden you look up
and they do tend to look up and you see
a vision. Now, both my parents could not enunciate that.
First for my father because my mother and my sister
and brother in law were there, so I obviously wasn't
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going to ask Dad, who's coming for you? I just
would not have fit in. But he saw somebody and
he was surprised that at this person. And I think
I know who. It probably was my uncle Bert because
he had predeceased him, so I think it was probably him.
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For my mother. My sister actually took what was taking
care of Mom that morning. It was supposed to be me,
but she gave me the morning off. Mom would have
died in her sleep if it had been me, I
would not have woken her up. But she saw something,
and she definitely saw something, but she could not enunciate
it because she was too far gone. And within fifteen
twenty seconds that was it. She had an extremely quick,
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easy go and she was in he red in her
own house. That's how she had said for forty years,
how she wanted to go. But there's other people who
have said, you know, I see Martha, now, what is what?
The really interesting thing is she doesn't know Martha's dead.
You know, Martha was killed in a car accident or
predeceased her somehow, and yet at that moment of death,
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Martha is there for her, and there the goosebumps just
went up that leg all the way up here, and
that's why I do this with near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I hate to leave us as a cliffhanger, but it's
time for us to take it up a station brag
or doctor Walsh, and I will return, So you stay
right there. This is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution
dot org. What do we see as we die? This
is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. With this discussing
(27:54):
near death and deathbed experiences is doctor Darryl Walash, President
of Host Project Canada. Darryl, we were talking about deathbed
experiences and do these experiences suggest that consciousness continues after
death or could there be pure purely neumological explanation neurological.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, personally, I believe there are enough cases where somebody
has like we said just at the break, which was
a beautiful and amazing. I'd like to get a copy
of that. I put all my all my social media
is so beautiful. Oh just amazing. It just really like wow,
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would be.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But well, I have to I have to give credit
to my producer, Rob McConnell. That would be his creation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, I'll be talking to Rob, I think on Wednesday,
and yeah, I'll be telling him how amazing he is
in so anyway. But something else that's amazing, of course,
is the fact that when people are close to death
they do see things that it's impossible for them to see.
They might see what's going on if they arrest, for instance,
they might see what the doctor and hear what the
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doctors are doing and saying and everything. They might see
things outside of the room, because you can always say, well,
maybe they heard this or they heard that, but they
might see something outside the room. And then there's things progress.
If it's in near death experience, then they start to
see things that you just don't see. The tunnel usually
into an area of bright light. Sometimes, depending on how
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far you go and how fast we yank you back,
you might see a being of light, which you will
interpret according to your own religion. There's no idea on him.
You know, he doesn't have a hello, my name is
Jesus or anything. But if your Mohammed, you believe, or
if you're islam Islamic, you believe it's Mohammed. If you're
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a Christian you believe it's Jesus, you know, and on
and on and so it's fascinating. And then the really
good ones are if you stay for a little while
and you have your life flashes before your eyes, but
it's different. You feel how you made other people feel
during your life. It's not how you felt going through.
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It's what you've done. And that's the scary part as
well as the goosebumpy part, is the fact that that
life review is going to make you feel very uncomfortable
because whether we consciously do it or not, sometimes we
just aren't nice people. It's just human psychology. And then
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you're sent back afterwards, you come back, you have a
much more broader view of the world. You have problem
with electronics, so maybe I add in near death experience.
Who knows. I constantly do that, but they don't fear
death anymore. Problems with electronics, particularly watches, they have this
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much warmth and good feeling towards people. They are more
willing to live in the moment and not worry about
the visa bill, you know this, the house is going
to be sold or whatever, because they've gone beyond that.
They've transcended this boring life that we're in. And if
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we go back to their deathbed visions, sometimes they just
people come for them, and that's the part, And they
don't know these people are dead, and sometimes they do
know they're dead, But the fascinating ones are the ones
that they do not know have predeceased them, and you know,
they come for them, they see them, and so that's
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the fascinating part of it. So we know that part
of us, our spirit, our soul, however you want to
call it, goes on. Now when we're over there, there
is usually a boundary. It could be a river usually
a river, could be a river, it could be a
stone wall, it could be something. But if you go
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past that, you're not coming back. Now. Obviously, people who
have gone past that can't come back and tell us
what's onios not. So we don't know what heaven or
the afterlife or whatever. We just know this way station
that's between us and between whatever happens after us. And
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I would say that it would, it would in part
a feel should impart a feeling of safety in us
because most of the stories that happen are very very good.
There's a few small ones that are not. And the
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problem is the reports of near death experiences have gone
from churches back in the seventies and eighties saying no,
that's all devil worships its demons is nothing. Then came
people writing near death, this in the light, that in
the light, and whatever in the light, and they were
pretending they had near death experiences, and they were making
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a lot of money off it. In the nineties and
in the early two thousands. Then the churches saw that
there was a good thing there, and some of them,
not all of them, of course, but some of them.
Then Embrace did a one to eighty and embraced near
death experiences. So some of the stories that are positive
you have to be careful of, and some of the
stories that are negative you have to be careful of
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because ideology might be either it might be total be
asked the story or ideology is you know, shading it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
From your research, how did deathbed visions differ from hallucinations
and dream states.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, it is true, but the difference in the ones
that we know something strange is happening and is because
they're not under particular drugs, they're not on hallucinogens, they
are not looking like they are hallucinating and anything. My father,
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I assume my mother, but my father definitely was not
hallucinating when he saw somebody come and he had he
was perfectly normal, He was not on any drugs. He
was enjoying fish and ships very well for the last time,
and so he was in a good place. But the
reason we know that it's not just hallucinations that's not
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drug induced is the fact that they know things that
they couldn't possibly know. Now, not every death bed vision
is going to know, you know something. Usually it's somebody
they already knows dead is coming back for them to
help them. When my mother died, I was it was funny.
As a scientist, I've often wondered how much do I
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really believe? Though? You know, am I too much of
a skeptic or a doubter? But that when Mom died,
I knew as much as I can know anything like
one plasfon eCos two, that she was up with dead.
He had predeceased her by ten years, and there was
no way, no doubt or whatsoever in my heart. And
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it was funny because as a Christian, I always wondered,
how much is my skepticism towards my field of study
affecting my belief? You know? Are my prayers just going
through something I've done since I was a kid. But yeah,
now I can't prove that. I can't say that that
in any way, shape or form proves the afterlife. But
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I'm a hardcore scientist at times, and there are enough
near death experiences, there are enough near our bed deathbed
visions that are impossible to explain, and science just falls down.
There's no way to come up with something. But no,
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we pushed that aside.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So what what does your research? What does your research
taught you about humanity's deepest fears and hopes surrounding death.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Well, a certain it's interesting. We fear death. We always will.
That's ingrained with us. There's a lot of things that
we carry with us that that will not disappear because
we have society, and society tells us one way or
the other, how to feel, what to do or whatever.
They're still going to thousands of generations have to pass,
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so we're going to fear death. We used to be
closer to death years ago, before the Industrial Revolution and
everybody moved away to cities and the frame families, you know,
separated because it was just a part of life. And
even in k Breton up to the very recent time,
it was just a part of life. They had the
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perth of the person died, they waked them in the house.
Sometimes they heard beforehand the forerunner. They heard the undertaker
come in his car to the middle of the night,
throw the boards onto the ground, start to pound to
make the you know, the coffin, and go away. And
then the next morning they get up and the deceased
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obviously was still there, but there was nobody outside. And
then and then you would hear, you know, the cart
or the hot car come down with the coffin, and
if so, you know, we were closer to death. So
we feared it less, but we still fear it an
awful lot. And I think we we latch onto near
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death experiences because of the fact that it points towards,
you know, a place where we don't if you need
to fear to go, and that he is I think
the strongest thing that's happened over the past forty years.
We have come back to death, but in a different way.
You know, it's not with us all the time, you know,
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with our family and as a part of our life.
But we've come back to it intellectually. And I don't
know how much. I can't tell and nobody can tell
how much. That intellectual has also become emotional, And that's
the important part because you have to be if you're
going to believe there's there is a afterlife, and there
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appears to be so, and science is proving that as
well as parapsychology very strongly. But you have to be
emotionally invested so that the fear goes away.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And well, let's change years a little bit. You've analyzed
over seven three hundred bigfoot reports. Yep, that's extraordinary. So
what patterns have emerged from that data?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Oh? Am, I going to get the death threats when
I come out with my book when I tell them
they're wasting their time and they should go home, and
I be rude like that as well. When I go
on TV and watch the shows, people are just going
out there to drink their body weight and beer. And
that's same thing they did when they used to hunt
for regular animals. But I did come up with I
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did come up with a lot of interesting implications. I
can't tell you the main one because if I do,
I give the whole thing away, and I do want
to have a book come out very soon, but I
will tell you some of the things. They don't always okay,
they're not violent, towards humans period, full stop. And the
story recently started with the four to one one books
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people disappearing when they were in national parks in the
United States. And now if you go on YouTube, the
stories about Bigfoot doing this and Bigfoot doing that, and
all these things total bs. If the Bigfoot prior to
the Internet. And my analysis stopped at nineteen ninety eight
because that's when the Internet went critical mass, and so
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I knew from nineteen ninety eight on wheres people could
lie very easily and there were no way we could tell,
whereas the ones before, the main characters in the field
investigated and came up and said what they thought and
had the evidence, and so we could still look at it.
Same with a lot of the stories. And then I
stopped at nineteen twenty because prior to that newspapers just
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made things up every time they mentioned a gorilla or
something like that. So I did nineteen twenty to nineteen
ninety eight so I could understand and get an idea.
Now I pushed some stories aside because they were BS.
But I did two analysis. I did the analysis of
the stories I believed, and then I brought the ones
in that I did not believe, and it did not
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move you know, the evidence meter very much, so I
knew there was some truth in the bulk of the stories.
They are enough imateurs humans. They will if you're in
a caravan, let's say, and they shape the caravan. It's
more they're interested in what that thing is. You just
happen to be inside, so relax. It's not after you.
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It just has this wonderful thing, you know, new thing.
It is violent towards other animals that it preceives as
a threat, and dogs tend dogs being stupid, tend to
do things like run towards it.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, it's time for another We're running towards another station. Break.
We'll pick up on the other side. Please stay with us.
Is doctor wallersh and I continue to explore parapsychology and
the unknown. This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution
dot org. What's the impact of the individual upon studying
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the paranormal? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
We're continuing our discussion with doctor Darryl Wallash. Darryl, when
filming site or photographing wanted and abandoned sites, have you
ever captured something that defied logic?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Not personally. I have seen a couple pictures that people
have taken that are interesting to me. I have not
personally taken anything that you know was suspicious. Photographs are interesting,
You've got you've now with digital it's it's become very
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difficult to determine truth because it can be manipulated. Luckily,
some people are manipulated really bad. And you can tell.
There was one picture that was given to Elliott Ellie
van Dusen, which will be on on later and a
colleague of mine. We have a by the way, a
podcast called Dueling Parapsychologists where we argue about certain things.
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And he had a picture given to him by somebody
and I looked at and, oh my god, I could
do better than that, even that picture. Unfortunately not I
have not. But I have seen a ghost. If you
want to hear that story.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Sure, I'm sure everybody would like to.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Now, I haven't seen a ghost. And you know, I
had gone through life and done all this and taught
and everything, and I had never seen a ghost. Of
people were asking me, have you seen a ghost? Have
you've seen a ghost? I have you've seen a ghost? No? Sorry,
that just doesn't happen to me. Well, we were giving
this was about four years ago. Now. We were giving
a talk at the Halifax Weston. Elliott was busy t
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talking about something and I decided I would wander. It
was getting a little bit deep and I was not
supposed to talk for a while, so I left. I
bumped into a couple of staff members. I got a
couple of ghost stories from them. They believe the whole
place was haunted. They mentioned the Atlantic Room. So I
walked down the hall and I went into the pole.
The door open the Atlantic Room. Now, as you open
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up the door, this hallway, you walk into where you
would have all the coats and everything, and then there's
the opening to walk into the major room. I had
not taken two steps into that room when I knew
I was not supposed to be there. I don't know
what it was, but my body, my brain was screaming
(44:16):
to get out of that room. Now, it's funny as
a scientist, I pushed myself to keep walking into the room.
I was thinking infra red possibility, electromagnetic or there really
is something bizarre. Because I've never felt like this or
had anything explained to me like this. It's unexplainable. Just
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that you aren't supposed to be there, and there's something
pushing you back towards the door. So I got to
the back of the room. Just tables with tablecross on
them and everything in white, and that was fine. So
I forced myself to the back of the room and
then I said, okay, well this is a nice experiment,
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but I'm getting out of here. As I turned, there
was a bout. How far was he? About fifty feet away,
maybe forty forty feet away at most thirty a little
boy about five six years old. He was blonde. He
had a white polo shirt on. He had beige shorts,
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white socks. Can't quite remember the shoes, but something. And
he was down on his hands knees lift up a tablecloth.
Now I could see both the tablecloth in my time,
and I could see the tablecloth he was pulling up.
And then he went underneath that table and the whole
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thing lasted at most five seconds, let's say something like that.
Of course, it lasts an eternity when it's happening to you.
So I started for the door and then I, no, no,
you've got to go look. And so anyway I went look,
pulled up a tablecloth. No there. Then I left, and
then I went to talk to a few people. Stupidly, Now,
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I teach listen, all the equipment in the world is
pointless and useless to go do in a haunting. If
you're going to look for a ghost. Now, if you
know a ghost is somewhere, like I just did, that's
when you go grab the equipment and find out what's
going on. Did doctor Walsh think of that. No, he
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was so freaked out the first time he saw a
ghost that he went and spoke to a few people
and actually brought a couple of people who one person
who's supposed to be sensitive and just another person. Do
you feel what? And everybody felt. I don't want to
use the word evil, but that's as close to evil
as I could. If I had to say I felt
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something evil, that would be the experience because of whatever
it was was that was pushing me out. Even Ali
has stepped in the room and turned around and came
very back out afterwards, so there's something wrong with that room. Unfortunately, agree,
I was to upset because after you know, this had
been thirty professional years and previous years before that, you know,
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and all of a sudden I saw one, and no,
I forgot the equipment was at the back of the
room and I could have grabbed it, gone in and measured. Because,
as I spoke before, if a ghost happens, if you
can't get one that frequently shows up, well, then you
can have all the equipment set and then something has
to be exchanged. In a near death experience, the same
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things should happen as well if we're leaving this plane
of existence and going somewhere else. When that happens, some
part of our environment has to go. That's more normal physics.
Now this might be super normal physics. I'm not sure.
And some part of that environment has to come here.
Now it might be microscopic, it might be just a
call spot, it might be no feeling whatsoever. But if
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we could find a frequent haunting, let's say it happens
every Thursday night at seven o'clock, just to make a
kind of flippant joke about it, then we could set
all the equipment around and see what happens at seven
o'clock on Thursday night. Heard.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So, how does the emotional or psychic atmosphere of a
location affect investigators during the field work.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Well, they do the same thing me. They forget that
they have a brain. It depends on exactly what you
feel when you go someplace real. Forget TV, throw everything
that is out that's so faked as breathaking, so forget that.
But if you actually happen to wander into a place,
much as myself others that I know in my group
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have done, so it affects you obviously, because there's this
feeling and what it's doing. It's distorting what you're supposed
to be doing. But you need to analyze it. You
need to say, Okay, what is this, what could be
causing this? How is this affecting me? And you have
to be doing that as well as trying to understand
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what's generating it or what your job is supposed to be.
I fell down on my job that day that evening,
and I'll forever kick myself forth that I did not.
You know, it overwhelmed me, and it tends to do
that to a lot of people. And what it does
it kind of makes you forget that you know your
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training and everything. If you were lucky enough to do this,
to come across various places or a particular place and
it has a regular haunting and you are used to it. Well,
then that's fine. You can kind of turn off the
effect and the feeling and the force that's there and
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you can then try to understand what's going on. But yes,
it does affect and you have to understand that. You
have to understand how you're going to explain it is
going to be tinged with how you felt when you
were there. There's no answer, but nor is about it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
You know, so you're you're a featured I want to
get into this before we run out of time. You're
a featured figure at the twenty twenty five halfex Paranormal Symposium.
What present What will your presentation focus on? There?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Uh? Well, I could be talking about just about anything.
It usually I talk about the ghosts and whether they're extinct.
I might talk about this this particular ghost program, our
ghost happening, and what how I failed in my job,
which would be probably what I will speak of. I
do know that cryptids are being spoken to, so I
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might have something to say about them, but generally I
think I might just explain how much opportunity I wasted
just to explain to them how you can be overwhelmed
by what's going on to you and no matter whether
you're a believer or a skeptic, And that's going to
color what, you know, what you'd do. So and I'll
be there of my books of course, and hopefully selling
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a lot of those. And so yeah, that'll be and
kind of pinch hitting anywhere that's I'm needed actually to
do various things. I'll be doing the photography. I'm doing
some of the publicity for it. So I had many hats,
you know, with the symposium every year or so.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So how does a symposium advance public understanding and academic
respect for paranormal research?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, hopefully they look at it and they think, okay,
well there's this thing happening every year, and it's being
taken serious and there are serious people involved. Laura and Warning,
for instance. And I did We're in a program, did
a eight week program or show for Ami back in
twenty twenty, you know. So, and she's a very serious psychic. Now,
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whether she's a real psychic or not, I haven't trained her,
I haven't tested her, I should say, but I do
believe in her seriousness, and so I give her the
benefit of the doubt. And until such time, you know,
something might come up. But it's serious people doing talking
about serious topics, and they're taking it serious. And so
everybody's coming. It's usually one hundred and twenty people roughly,
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and they're coming from all over the Lace, from the States,
from Ontario, everywhere, and they come and of course heligoing
is you know now are knowing that there's a symposium.
And it was my idea to call it a symposium
rather than convention, because I wanted it to be taken
seriously and I wanted people to know that we were
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taking the topics seriously. We weren't just having jokers come
in and making fools of themselves or whatever. You know.
We were talking in and investigating and trying to understand,
you know, the paranormal from all avenues. And so we
were looking at it from all avenues, and we had
the people, different people from all avenues to come in
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and try to put their point of view and see
if that would advance our understanding. And the people that
are there, they're understanding of all these topics. You know
that they're out there.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, finally, how can events like Halfax Symposium help evolve
humanity's broader understanding of consciousness, death, and reality itself?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Well, because those are the main topics we have every year.
You know, we have people coming with their own views
on it. Myself, you know, I can come at it
from just about every area, you know, because I studied
all the different areas. But other people coming from being
a psychic, or someone might come in from being a
medium or what have you. There might we might have
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a psychologist or a psychiatrist who's who spoke about the
darker aspects of it, demonology for instance. Somebody else might
come in and speak about consciousness itself and how we
just don't have a you know, a firm grip on it. Yeah,
it's too morph us right now. So although they do
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believe there is something akin to the soul that is consciousness,
and that there is the two brain syndrome, there is
the physical brain, and as I do believe that there
is also this other part of the brain that is
not necessarily tied to our bodies.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well, doctor Walsh, I hate to do it, but we
have run out of time.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Oh no, it was my pleasure, It really was. Thank
you for having me.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
My pleasure. Our guest is hour has been doctor Daryl Walsh,
Executive director of a Center for Psychological Studies in Canada,
President of Ghost Project Canada, and Director of Research for
PPRI dot net. Doctor Walsh also will be appearing at
the upcoming twenty twenty five Halifax Paranormal Symposium taking place
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November twenty first in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where leading researchers
and investigators will gather to explore the next frontiers of
paranormal science. To learn more about doctor Walsh and his work,
visit PPRI dot net or c p sc Dashcanada dot com.
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Welcome to Mission Evolution for science and spirituality merge in
the quest for human advancement. I'm your host, Guildawiyeka. In
this hour, we'll journey into the analytical side of the
unexplained with doctor Darryl Walsh, Executive Director of Center for
Parapsychological Studies in Canada, President of Ghost Pro Projet Canada
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and Director of Research for ppri I Paranormal Phenomenon Research
and Investigation. With the background grounded in science, Doctor Walsh
has dedicated his career to exploring the mysteries of death, consciousness,
and cryptids such as Bigfoot, while maintaining a discipline, data
driven approach to the paranormal, from near death experiences to
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the psychology of hauntings. We'll examine how science and the
supernatural meat in the search for truth. Stay tuned. Our
evolution begins right now, Doctor Walsh, thank you so much
for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So, doctor Walsh, what originally drew you to study the
paranormal from a scientific perspective?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Well, it's interesting because there are things that drove me
to want to understand the paranormal, and then there were
things that drove me to do it as a science.
I had originally set out to become a clinical psychologist,
and I wanted to deal with gay teens, and so
therefore I studied a very quite a varied and wide
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field of different family therapy, sex therapy, suicide drugs, the
whole shebang, except for anxiety disorders, of which my family
myself suffer from. But it was the one blind spot
in that. And what had happened was, while I was
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doing this, an opportunity came to teach at the Nova
Scotia Community College, and that same year I had founded
the Center for Paar Psychological Studies in Canada, which I've
regretted ever since because it typing that out is saying
it and typing it is rather annoying. But anyway, and
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what it was it was. It was a group with
us that were interested in trying to understand the paranormal
and then use instead just which we did just collecting
the information. We wanted to do analysis simultaneously that I
was teaching, and so I took a scientific view because
I was still studying be a psychologist at this point.
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So they kind of merged. Psychology fell off for various reasons,
and parapsychology stayed on. I also taught fantatology classes on
death and dying and cryptozoology, and I'm actually teaching a
crypto zoology class now and where are we Monday Wednesday.
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I'm teaching about lake monsters and sea monsters. So it
happened accidentally when I had people coming to my classes,
whether it's my writing classes or my parapsychology classes, but
in particular the writing classes, I tell them, listen right now,
you're just you've got ideas, perhaps maybe you've got something
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written down or typed up, and you're wondering where you
should go or if you should proceed or whatever. And
I'm reminded, and I should have looked this up. But
the quote that's in Lord of the Rings when Bilbo
says if you step outside your door and you don't
watch where your feet are, God knows where you're going
to end up at. And then I start off as
in grade seven, and then start because it was actually
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in grade seven. I was twelve when this hole started,
primarily with cryptozoology. And then I start, and I go
through all the different things, from doing TV series to
being pub books published, to doing interviews like this, to
giving talks, inspirational talks as well documentaries, blah blah blah
blah blah, and I go through the whole thing. I say, so,
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I didn't expect to do this. This wasn't where I started.
I wrote, you have.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
One of the most unique academic backgrounds in parapsychology in Canada.
How does your scientific training influence your investigative methods?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Well, I got to tell you it's a great bullshit thing.
It comes on in the back of your mind when
you get told something that just is way too out
there now interdimensional beings, you know, bigfoots and Internet interdimensional being
or or as I usually say, don't show me a
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pile of dung and tell me it's a unicorn. You know,
I need better evidence than that. And there is good
evidence coming out of death bed visions and your death experiences,
and and some of the bigfoot and cryptids have been discovered.
So there are things in this, in all these three
fields that I'm into that you know, including clinical hypnotherapy.
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Actually I forgot, always forget about that one because I
don't practice it. If I was paid for all the
degrees and everything I took for something and never practiced,
I'd be rich. Uh So, yeah, my science, does you know?
They're true parts of me. There's a ten year old
boy that just loves the story. So if you tell
me in Nova Scotia, which is no Bigfoot, but would say,
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you tell me down outside of New Glasgow, a big
hairy monster was seen, you know, And I tell my
classes and cryptozoology people. One of the students ask me why.
I said, because it's fun. It's monsters, That's why we
do it. Par psychology, we're trying to understand the spirit.
We're trying to understand the soul. We're trying to stand
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consciousness and whether or not we can peek into the
other side. And if they come here, there must have
to be this exchange of atmospheres environments. However, I said,
if we're looking for cryptids. We're doing it because it's finding.
We want to find the hairy monsters. So there's a
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ten year old boy in me that still can be
frightened with ghosts. Fore Runners in particular, scare the living,
you know what out of me other things. I'm a
little more jaded. And then there's the doctor Walsh bit
that needs a lot more than just somebody saw something. Now,
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the interesting thing is we had both Eliot, who's going
to be on and I believe at three or four
o'clock or is going to be taped at that time.
He and I put together class or I should say,
a show called Frontiers of the Paranormal, and what we
were going to do we were going to do exactly
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essentially what you're doing. We were going to use non
standard investigative tools to try to understand what's going on.
There have been great strides in parapsychology that people have
just forgot about. Poaltrigeist in particular, there was a fascinating
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study in twenty twelve. What it would pretend is amazing,
but nobody ever did the study over again. You know,
it's been ignored. We couldn't get the class I'll keep
saying that we could not get the show off the
air because we weren't going to be able to For instance,
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there are certain you can make a haunted you can
recreate a haunted house. Essentially people go in and they
will feel like it's a haunting. To us, it was
just showing how various factors that we have never taken
in to account before can cause certain things. We were
not saying there's no ghosts. We're not saying there's no
soul or there's no hauntings.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It was just to explain, well, can you explain I
want that? Can you explain the mission of the Center
for Psychological Studies in Canada and how it contributes to
the legitimate research in this field.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Well, we've been at it since nineteen ninety six, so
we've collected a lot of data and done analysis. For instance,
I've done analysis personally a seven thousand, three hundred Bigfoot
reports and got to see that most people have it
wrong and they're not going to find bigfoot the way
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they're looking for it. So yeah, so we've been and
now through Ghost Project Canada, what we're doing is we
are taking all the We're less picky, it's more of
a folklore and believes some supernatural events that are reported
not necessarily are we going through them and thinking this real?
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This not? And what we're doing is we're doing analysis,
geographical analysis. Where where will most you know, prevalent at
where got ship's most prevalent lent at? And you'll say, yes,
it'll be the oceans or the seas, and that's not
entirely true. Uh So there's a little teaser there, you know,
where where are all these things mostly reported? And how
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are they different across the country. And so we're trying
to do this in a statistical and geographic analysis to
understand why people where people believe these things, why they
might believe these things, and who knows, we might actually find,
you know, truth somewhere. Now. The truth sometimes is not
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going to be what everybody wants to hear, or even myself,
but sometimes I think there's going to be truth that
we all want to hear in this field. So it's
it's fascinating, it's enjoyable. It's slow because we need volunteers,
and a pandemic really put a dent into into everything,
so we're kind of slow getting back up at it.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
But this leads me to. My next question is what
are the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology is to study it seriously.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
This is a bad share I'm showing for the first time,
so my apologies.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
It's a poltergeist.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's yes, if anything can go wrong, it will. Could
you repeat that question, Realisa?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I can't imagine why we're wanted to, but.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I was killing myself at the moment.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
So one of the biggest misconceptions about parapsychology and those
who study it seriously, they.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Think we're fools. For one thing, there is a strong
belief in parapsychology and ghosts. It's not in the whole paranormal.
They pick and choose. It's very a la carte. But
once you start taking into account science, they think you're
a fool. In England, it's called going down the road
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to lock ness, because of course there is no monster
in lockedness, but there is some there. There's something either
psychological or physical that's causing all these you know reports,
and I think it's woven in with sociology and a
whole bunch of things. But anyway, to the scientists, you're
a fool if you do that. So if they call
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that down the road to lock ness if you're going
to investigate haunted houses, or if you're going to investigate
deathbed visions and things like that. So even in Paris,
the psychological like said the Society for Psychological jay Wiz,
Society for Psychological Research, the foremost ghost event, what was
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originally parapsychology or ghost research even now has their talks
are turning much more less from being specific and where's
the evidence, to just throwing things out there. And so
therefore I've noticed that across Paara psychology that scientists are
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still officially you know, think we're fools. Although I love them,
believe in what we're doing, they just can't be seen
to be doing that, nor do they have the time.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Can you separate genuine paranormal psychology from hoax's misinterpretations or
psychological factors?
Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well that's a lot. This is what is the best
example we know, there's no plesiosaur in. Lockedness could not
happen period full stop. So what is locked ness? So
there's psychological things going on. People want to see the monster.
It's a very creepy lake. Most times it's filmed when
it's beautiful, but really it's not when it's dark, I'm
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gonna be stormy. There's the economic aspect of it. Of course,
more people report something strange, like a wave whatever, then
people will come and spend money and all that. There's
a sociological aspect that we need monsters and because it's fun.
It's scary a bit. But if they're in the lake
and I'm safe up in a hotel on the side
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of the of the reversion, I'm.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Sorry to interrupt. We're gonna have to pick up on
other side of a station break, doctor Walsh, and I
will return very shortly, so don't you go away. This
is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Is
any of this real? With this is our discussing validating
the paranormal? Is Doctor Jarl Walsh, Director of research for
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pp r I dot net. Doctor Walsh has modern technology
such as AI data and analytics or infrared imaging change
the way you study or document the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Suret answer, no, infrared is overblown, and of course it's
on needs an image on you know, a piece of
equipment usually not recordable, and tells you nothing. AI that
has a brain of its own, obviously, because that's what
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it is. So therefore I think it could be used
to do an analytical work, and we'll certainly use it
for Ghost Project Canada. But I think we also want
to keep the hard sciences as well, the mathematics and
to this. So, yes they do and they don't. You know,
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it's it's we ghosts are extinct. That's what I tend
to tell people, because it has changed over one hundred
years how we validate something is haunted or if it's
a ghost. We no longer see a physical being. I
mean there's no clanking change. For one thing, and yes
that was a thing, but no, there's no clanking change.
There's no figures in white unless it's a hoax. What
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we do is we take record something and then we
listen to the white noise and pretend we hear voices,
or sometimes we actually do hear voices, but have nothing
to do with the haunting. So I had give the
Paranormal Supposium we have here at Halifax every year, which
is November first. This year the first year I gave
a talk on how ghosts are extinct and the usual
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way we would go looking for one we don't do anymore,
or I should say most people don't do anymore because
they're they see TV and they think that's the way
it's supposed to be, and it's not. I always said
to my class, if you're going to go look for ghosts,
and explained already how more or less how to do it,
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I said, if you're having fun, you're doing it wrong.
Looking for ghosts. Being a parapsychologist is an extremely boring,
poverty stricken, long intensive study of something. And it can
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be fun when you first start, but if you're doing
it right, it's going to bore you to tears. It's
going to be very statistical. You're going to have to
do a law of analysis of let's say, anything you find,
including you know, EVPs. And although I don't put any
stock in them, still yes people do and why not.
But you can do analysis of it anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
We might in your experience. Is there a typical haunting
or do manifestations significantly vary from case to case?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Well they do, they very You know why they vary.
They vary from the people who are investigating them. There
is the hauntings haven't really changed at all period, full stop.
They're there. It's like one plust one, Egles two and
all of a sudden someone comes in and says, well,
one post one egles twenty five people. It's called the
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investigator effect. People will find what they're looking for. And
because of TV, they think they have to go down
to the basements and the dirty places and have the greens,
you know, color on and all the equipment and there's
like ten fifteen people down there, and it's like nobody
should be down there if that's a haunted place. And
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also you should be able to do it at noon
how or not just at nighttime. You would set up
the equipment and you would be outside and then you
would do the analysis of what is going on inside.
You should never be inside a haunted house. But that
has changed from when you know, the science of it,
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the you know, the way that we're supposed to do
it morph because of the Internet and TV. So right now,
right now, parapsychology is not thought of in a high
uh you know, thought of very highly highly thought of
it is, and cryptozoology isn't either because of the TV shows.
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The Internet and TV has more or less ruined a
lot of science is not just our sciences and not
just cryptism and this kind of thing, and our reputations. Yeah,
it's it has changed and not for the best. But
what everybody on my side where somebody else's side is
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looking for it hasn't changed. There's still a spirit there.
I believe there's a spirit there because I've I've seen
things that I believe would day that are soul. We
do have a soul. Both my parents had death bad
visions before they died. Yeah, so, I mean, you know,
I believe in that there's enough evidence in near death
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experiences that the show that we do have a soul.
We do have some sort of spirit that goes on
and comes back sometimes is either sent back or comes
back on their own. And so and every time we
investigate farther and farther into a near death experience, the
more we prove it, unlike let's say some of the
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other things that we don't have as much luck. Maybe
it's more they're more amorphous.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
But we'll get into near death experiences in a little bit.
I find it absolutely fascinating. But you were mentioning speaking
and teaching of courses in parapsychology. How receptive are students
applying critical thinking to topics that are often dismissed by
like you were saying mainstream academia.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, I find with an I find the students that
come in obviously are highly motivated. They're very interested in
the course. They're very obviously interested in the various topics
that's there. I've also found with exceptions, there might be
one or two, but usually they are They ask her questions,
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They asked you know, they pushed me, which is why
I love teaching. There's always one or two people that
are going to push you. What does that mean. I've
been teaching before and somebody has pushed me somewhere and
I've thought, hey, I never did think of that, you know,
and that's fascinating, and so anyway, Yeah, I usually have
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about seventy five percent eighty five percent of the students
will be critical thinkers. They're there because they're very interested
in the topic. But they just don't want me to
tell them Bigfoot exists, and that's that. They want some evidence.
They want to talk about breeding populations, whatever it is.
If it's anatology with death and dying, they want to
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understand exactly what usually goes on when that happens, and
they have some very interesting questions, most eventually are unanswerable.
Same with near death experiences. So yes, in the wave,
and then you get usually the one or two that
are all in. I mean they're there because they already believe,
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and they already have a set belief system. And that's
fine because they could be right. For some of the topics,
they could be very right. We don't know yet. We
haven't managed to haven't managed to put our hands on
things like psychokinesis and psycho you know, telepathy and things
like that. They're very amorphous, and as soon as we
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think we have the pin down. And I was actually
for a very quick I was with doctor Michael Persinger,
who in the nineties was often in a lot of
programs and seen as a as a skeptic, but he
was We had gone to interviewing for my show shadow Hunter,
so we were looking for a scientific view of all
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these things, and we wanted, we thought we wanted a
little bit of skepticism. But he freaked me out. One thing.
He was neuroscientist, and I did not take neurobiology, so
therefore I was lost. But the parents that he did
speak of and his psychokinesis was what he did. He
spoke of when a student came to talk to him,
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and there was a pen on the desk between them,
and it hadn't moved. It was his pen hadn't moved.
She moved that pen towards him with her mind. She
was like, I am reasonably for well, I can't reach.
But let's say she was like this that she could
not touch it, she could not blow on as she
you know, there was no that pen moved. Now, because
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of the fact psychokinesis, I was kind of, oh, I
don't know, But because I have the respect of that
man who has since died, and because he was a
person who used science to look at things, and he
believed in psychokinesis, and he believed in telepathy. He had
an interesting theory about it, but he came at it
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from the scientific way. He believed in our spirit. And
so therefore, if the person you thought, you know, would
be a skeptic and would be too hardcore, was actually
a believer. And it was fascinating. And when he told
me that story about the pen moving, I mean, I
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have to take that seriously because I respect the man.
He's too, he's you know, he's contributed to parapsychology in
various ways that we even today we think of, and
he's not the kind of guy to b S or bbs.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So what ethical considerations come into play when you're studying
people's personal experience of the paranormal, Well.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
That starts to come into clinical parapsychology, which I have
studied and Elliott has as well. You have to be
careful because you don't know exactly when someone comes to you.
Sometimes they're very upset, or they're very discombobulated, which is
a perfect word for it. They don't know how to
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react to this experience that's happened to them. So luckily,
I am a psychotherapist trained as a psychotherapist and never
made it to clinical psychologists, but I always train as
a psychotherapist, so I know how to deal with them
and how to calm them down. Explain that these random
events happen a lot, these are the various possibilities. They'll
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ask me, then what do I think? And obviously then
I'll give up. Well, there's two parts of me. I'll
believe it, but the science part of me will force
me to try to find evidence for that. But I
believe what you are telling me that there is something
going on. Now, let's together, let's find out wh it is,
don't worry about it. It can't harm you, period, full stop.
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And the stories so don't be afraid. And essentially that's
how it goes. And so you go with them and
you unders try to understand what's going on. Most times
there's something very mundane, but there's always the one or
two that you're going to bump into that you're going
to look at and say, I can't explain that one.
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We can't explain that one, And I'll speak to Elliott,
bring him in, and he might bring somebody else in
that he knows to talk about it. And we do
it fairly often and sometimes though we just bump into
that wall that we can't understand.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, study, have you studied deathbed visions and near death experiences?
What consistent themes have you found across the cases?
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, they're fascinating. Actually, deathbed visions. Can you imagine that
you're dying and all of a sudden you look up
and they do tend to look up and you see
a vision. Now, both my parents could not enunciate that.
First for my father because my mother and my sister
and brother in law were there, so I obviously wasn't
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going to ask Dad, who's coming for you? I just
would not have fit in. But he saw somebody and
he was surprised that at this person. And I think
I know who. It probably was my uncle Bert because
he had predeceased him, so I think it was probably him.
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For my mother. My sister actually took what was taking
care of Mom that morning. It was supposed to be me,
but she gave me the morning off. Mom would have
died in her sleep if it had been me, I
would not have woken her up. But she saw something,
and she definitely saw something, but she could not enunciate
it because she was too far gone. And within fifteen
twenty seconds that was it. She had an extremely quick,
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easy go and she was in he red in her
own house. That's how she had said for forty years,
how she wanted to go. But there's other people who
have said, you know, I see Martha, now, what is what?
The really interesting thing is she doesn't know Martha's dead.
You know, Martha was killed in a car accident or
predeceased her somehow, and yet at that moment of death,
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Martha is there for her, and there the goosebumps just
went up that leg all the way up here, and
that's why I do this with near death experiences.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I hate to leave us as a cliffhanger, but it's
time for us to take it up a station brag
or doctor Walsh, and I will return, So you stay
right there. This is Mission Evolution www. Dot Mission evolution
dot org. What do we see as we die? This
is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. With this discussing
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near death and deathbed experiences is doctor Darryl Walash, President
of Host Project Canada. Darryl, we were talking about deathbed
experiences and do these experiences suggest that consciousness continues after
death or could there be pure purely neumological explanation neurological.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, personally, I believe there are enough cases where somebody
has like we said just at the break, which was
a beautiful and amazing. I'd like to get a copy
of that. I put all my all my social media
is so beautiful. Oh just amazing. It just really like wow,
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would be.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But well, I have to I have to give credit
to my producer, Rob McConnell. That would be his creation.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well, I'll be talking to Rob, I think on Wednesday,
and yeah, I'll be telling him how amazing he is
in so anyway. But something else that's amazing, of course,
is the fact that when people are close to death
they do see things that it's impossible for them to see.
They might see what's going on if they arrest, for instance,
they might see what the doctor and hear what the
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doctors are doing and saying and everything. They might see
things outside of the room, because you can always say, well,
maybe they heard this or they heard that, but they
might see something outside the room. And then there's things progress.
If it's in near death experience, then they start to
see things that you just don't see. The tunnel usually
into an area of bright light. Sometimes, depending on how
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far you go and how fast we yank you back,
you might see a being of light, which you will
interpret according to your own religion. There's no idea on him.
You know, he doesn't have a hello, my name is
Jesus or anything. But if your Mohammed, you believe, or
if you're islam Islamic, you believe it's Mohammed. If you're
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a Christian you believe it's Jesus, you know, and on
and on and so it's fascinating. And then the really
good ones are if you stay for a little while
and you have your life flashes before your eyes, but
it's different. You feel how you made other people feel
during your life. It's not how you felt going through.
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It's what you've done. And that's the scary part as
well as the goosebumpy part, is the fact that that
life review is going to make you feel very uncomfortable
because whether we consciously do it or not, sometimes we
just aren't nice people. It's just human psychology. And then
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you're sent back afterwards, you come back, you have a
much more broader view of the world. You have problem
with electronics, so maybe I add in near death experience.
Who knows. I constantly do that, but they don't fear
death anymore. Problems with electronics, particularly watches, they have this
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much warmth and good feeling towards people. They are more
willing to live in the moment and not worry about
the visa bill, you know this, the house is going
to be sold or whatever, because they've gone beyond that.
They've transcended this boring life that we're in. And if
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we go back to their deathbed visions, sometimes they just
people come for them, and that's the part, And they
don't know these people are dead, and sometimes they do
know they're dead, But the fascinating ones are the ones
that they do not know have predeceased them, and you know,
they come for them, they see them, and so that's
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the fascinating part of it. So we know that part
of us, our spirit, our soul, however you want to
call it, goes on. Now when we're over there, there
is usually a boundary. It could be a river usually
a river, could be a river, it could be a
stone wall, it could be something. But if you go
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past that, you're not coming back. Now. Obviously, people who
have gone past that can't come back and tell us
what's onios not. So we don't know what heaven or
the afterlife or whatever. We just know this way station
that's between us and between whatever happens after us. And
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I would say that it would, it would in part
a feel should impart a feeling of safety in us
because most of the stories that happen are very very good.
There's a few small ones that are not. And the
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problem is the reports of near death experiences have gone
from churches back in the seventies and eighties saying no,
that's all devil worships its demons is nothing. Then came
people writing near death, this in the light, that in
the light, and whatever in the light, and they were
pretending they had near death experiences, and they were making
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a lot of money off it. In the nineties and
in the early two thousands. Then the churches saw that
there was a good thing there, and some of them,
not all of them, of course, but some of them.
Then Embrace did a one to eighty and embraced near
death experiences. So some of the stories that are positive
you have to be careful of, and some of the
stories that are negative you have to be careful of
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because ideology might be either it might be total be
asked the story or ideology is you know, shading it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
From your research, how did deathbed visions differ from hallucinations
and dream states.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, it is true, but the difference in the ones
that we know something strange is happening and is because
they're not under particular drugs, they're not on hallucinogens, they
are not looking like they are hallucinating and anything. My father,
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I assume my mother, but my father definitely was not
hallucinating when he saw somebody come and he had he
was perfectly normal, He was not on any drugs. He
was enjoying fish and ships very well for the last time,
and so he was in a good place. But the
reason we know that it's not just hallucinations that's not
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drug induced is the fact that they know things that
they couldn't possibly know. Now, not every death bed vision
is going to know, you know something. Usually it's somebody
they already knows dead is coming back for them to
help them. When my mother died, I was it was funny.
As a scientist, I've often wondered how much do I
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really believe? Though? You know, am I too much of
a skeptic or a doubter? But that when Mom died,
I knew as much as I can know anything like
one plasfon eCos two, that she was up with dead.
He had predeceased her by ten years, and there was
no way, no doubt or whatsoever in my heart. And
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it was funny because as a Christian, I always wondered,
how much is my skepticism towards my field of study
affecting my belief? You know? Are my prayers just going
through something I've done since I was a kid. But yeah,
now I can't prove that. I can't say that that
in any way, shape or form proves the afterlife. But
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I'm a hardcore scientist at times, and there are enough
near death experiences, there are enough near our bed deathbed
visions that are impossible to explain, and science just falls down.
There's no way to come up with something. But no,
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we pushed that aside.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
So what what does your research? What does your research
taught you about humanity's deepest fears and hopes surrounding death.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Well, a certain it's interesting. We fear death. We always will.
That's ingrained with us. There's a lot of things that
we carry with us that that will not disappear because
we have society, and society tells us one way or
the other, how to feel, what to do or whatever.
They're still going to thousands of generations have to pass,
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so we're going to fear death. We used to be
closer to death years ago, before the Industrial Revolution and
everybody moved away to cities and the frame families, you know,
separated because it was just a part of life. And
even in k Breton up to the very recent time,
it was just a part of life. They had the
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perth of the person died, they waked them in the house.
Sometimes they heard beforehand the forerunner. They heard the undertaker
come in his car to the middle of the night,
throw the boards onto the ground, start to pound to
make the you know, the coffin, and go away. And
then the next morning they get up and the deceased
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obviously was still there, but there was nobody outside. And
then and then you would hear, you know, the cart
or the hot car come down with the coffin, and
if so, you know, we were closer to death. So
we feared it less, but we still fear it an
awful lot. And I think we we latch onto near
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death experiences because of the fact that it points towards,
you know, a place where we don't if you need
to fear to go, and that he is I think
the strongest thing that's happened over the past forty years.
We have come back to death, but in a different way.
You know, it's not with us all the time, you know,
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with our family and as a part of our life.
But we've come back to it intellectually. And I don't
know how much. I can't tell and nobody can tell
how much. That intellectual has also become emotional, And that's
the important part because you have to be if you're
going to believe there's there is a afterlife, and there
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appears to be so, and science is proving that as
well as parapsychology very strongly. But you have to be
emotionally invested so that the fear goes away.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
And well, let's change years a little bit. You've analyzed
over seven three hundred bigfoot reports. Yep, that's extraordinary. So
what patterns have emerged from that data?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Oh? Am, I going to get the death threats when
I come out with my book when I tell them
they're wasting their time and they should go home, and
I be rude like that as well. When I go
on TV and watch the shows, people are just going
out there to drink their body weight and beer. And
that's same thing they did when they used to hunt
for regular animals. But I did come up with I
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did come up with a lot of interesting implications. I
can't tell you the main one because if I do,
I give the whole thing away, and I do want
to have a book come out very soon, but I
will tell you some of the things. They don't always okay,
they're not violent, towards humans period, full stop. And the
story recently started with the four to one one books
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people disappearing when they were in national parks in the
United States. And now if you go on YouTube, the
stories about Bigfoot doing this and Bigfoot doing that, and
all these things total bs. If the Bigfoot prior to
the Internet. And my analysis stopped at nineteen ninety eight
because that's when the Internet went critical mass, and so
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I knew from nineteen ninety eight on wheres people could
lie very easily and there were no way we could tell,
whereas the ones before, the main characters in the field
investigated and came up and said what they thought and
had the evidence, and so we could still look at it.
Same with a lot of the stories. And then I
stopped at nineteen twenty because prior to that newspapers just
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made things up every time they mentioned a gorilla or
something like that. So I did nineteen twenty to nineteen
ninety eight so I could understand and get an idea.
Now I pushed some stories aside because they were BS.
But I did two analysis. I did the analysis of
the stories I believed, and then I brought the ones
in that I did not believe, and it did not
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move you know, the evidence meter very much, so I
knew there was some truth in the bulk of the stories.
They are enough imateurs humans. They will if you're in
a caravan, let's say, and they shape the caravan. It's
more they're interested in what that thing is. You just
happen to be inside, so relax. It's not after you.
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It just has this wonderful thing, you know, new thing.
It is violent towards other animals that it preceives as
a threat, and dogs tend dogs being stupid, tend to
do things like run towards it.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Well, it's time for another We're running towards another station. Break.
We'll pick up on the other side. Please stay with us.
Is doctor wallersh and I continue to explore parapsychology and
the unknown. This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution
dot org. What's the impact of the individual upon studying
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the paranormal? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org.
We're continuing our discussion with doctor Darryl Wallash. Darryl, when
filming site or photographing wanted and abandoned sites, have you
ever captured something that defied logic?
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Not personally. I have seen a couple pictures that people
have taken that are interesting to me. I have not
personally taken anything that you know was suspicious. Photographs are interesting,
You've got you've now with digital it's it's become very
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difficult to determine truth because it can be manipulated. Luckily,
some people are manipulated really bad. And you can tell.
There was one picture that was given to Elliott Ellie
van Dusen, which will be on on later and a
colleague of mine. We have a by the way, a
podcast called Dueling Parapsychologists where we argue about certain things.
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And he had a picture given to him by somebody
and I looked at and, oh my god, I could
do better than that, even that picture. Unfortunately not I
have not. But I have seen a ghost. If you
want to hear that story.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Sure, I'm sure everybody would like to.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
Now, I haven't seen a ghost. And you know, I
had gone through life and done all this and taught
and everything, and I had never seen a ghost. Of
people were asking me, have you seen a ghost? Have
you've seen a ghost? I have you've seen a ghost? No? Sorry,
that just doesn't happen to me. Well, we were giving
this was about four years ago. Now. We were giving
a talk at the Halifax Weston. Elliott was busy t
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talking about something and I decided I would wander. It
was getting a little bit deep and I was not
supposed to talk for a while, so I left. I
bumped into a couple of staff members. I got a
couple of ghost stories from them. They believe the whole
place was haunted. They mentioned the Atlantic Room. So I
walked down the hall and I went into the pole.
The door open the Atlantic Room. Now, as you open
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up the door, this hallway, you walk into where you
would have all the coats and everything, and then there's
the opening to walk into the major room. I had
not taken two steps into that room when I knew
I was not supposed to be there. I don't know
what it was, but my body, my brain was screaming
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to get out of that room. Now, it's funny as
a scientist, I pushed myself to keep walking into the room.
I was thinking infra red possibility, electromagnetic or there really
is something bizarre. Because I've never felt like this or
had anything explained to me like this. It's unexplainable. Just
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that you aren't supposed to be there, and there's something
pushing you back towards the door. So I got to
the back of the room. Just tables with tablecross on
them and everything in white, and that was fine. So
I forced myself to the back of the room and
then I said, okay, well this is a nice experiment,
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but I'm getting out of here. As I turned, there
was a bout. How far was he? About fifty feet away,
maybe forty forty feet away at most thirty a little
boy about five six years old. He was blonde. He
had a white polo shirt on. He had beige shorts,
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white socks. Can't quite remember the shoes, but something. And
he was down on his hands knees lift up a tablecloth.
Now I could see both the tablecloth in my time,
and I could see the tablecloth he was pulling up.
And then he went underneath that table and the whole
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thing lasted at most five seconds, let's say something like that.
Of course, it lasts an eternity when it's happening to you.
So I started for the door and then I, no, no,
you've got to go look. And so anyway I went look,
pulled up a tablecloth. No there. Then I left, and
then I went to talk to a few people. Stupidly, Now,
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I teach listen, all the equipment in the world is
pointless and useless to go do in a haunting. If
you're going to look for a ghost. Now, if you
know a ghost is somewhere, like I just did, that's
when you go grab the equipment and find out what's
going on. Did doctor Walsh think of that. No, he
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was so freaked out the first time he saw a
ghost that he went and spoke to a few people
and actually brought a couple of people who one person
who's supposed to be sensitive and just another person. Do
you feel what? And everybody felt. I don't want to
use the word evil, but that's as close to evil
as I could. If I had to say I felt
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something evil, that would be the experience because of whatever
it was was that was pushing me out. Even Ali
has stepped in the room and turned around and came
very back out afterwards, so there's something wrong with that room. Unfortunately, agree,
I was to upset because after you know, this had
been thirty professional years and previous years before that, you know,
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and all of a sudden I saw one, and no,
I forgot the equipment was at the back of the
room and I could have grabbed it, gone in and measured. Because,
as I spoke before, if a ghost happens, if you
can't get one that frequently shows up, well, then you
can have all the equipment set and then something has
to be exchanged. In a near death experience, the same
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things should happen as well if we're leaving this plane
of existence and going somewhere else. When that happens, some
part of our environment has to go. That's more normal physics.
Now this might be super normal physics. I'm not sure.
And some part of that environment has to come here.
Now it might be microscopic, it might be just a
call spot, it might be no feeling whatsoever. But if
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we could find a frequent haunting, let's say it happens
every Thursday night at seven o'clock, just to make a
kind of flippant joke about it, then we could set
all the equipment around and see what happens at seven
o'clock on Thursday night. Heard.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So, how does the emotional or psychic atmosphere of a
location affect investigators during the field work.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Well, they do the same thing me. They forget that
they have a brain. It depends on exactly what you
feel when you go someplace real. Forget TV, throw everything
that is out that's so faked as breathaking, so forget that.
But if you actually happen to wander into a place,
much as myself others that I know in my group
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have done, so it affects you obviously, because there's this
feeling and what it's doing. It's distorting what you're supposed
to be doing. But you need to analyze it. You
need to say, Okay, what is this, what could be
causing this? How is this affecting me? And you have
to be doing that as well as trying to understand
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what's generating it or what your job is supposed to be.
I fell down on my job that day that evening,
and I'll forever kick myself forth that I did not.
You know, it overwhelmed me, and it tends to do
that to a lot of people. And what it does
it kind of makes you forget that you know your
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training and everything. If you were lucky enough to do this,
to come across various places or a particular place and
it has a regular haunting and you are used to it. Well,
then that's fine. You can kind of turn off the
effect and the feeling and the force that's there and
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you can then try to understand what's going on. But yes,
it does affect and you have to understand that. You
have to understand how you're going to explain it is
going to be tinged with how you felt when you
were there. There's no answer, but nor is about it.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
You know, so you're you're a featured I want to
get into this before we run out of time. You're
a featured figure at the twenty twenty five halfex Paranormal Symposium.
What present What will your presentation focus on? There?
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Uh? Well, I could be talking about just about anything.
It usually I talk about the ghosts and whether they're extinct.
I might talk about this this particular ghost program, our
ghost happening, and what how I failed in my job,
which would be probably what I will speak of. I
do know that cryptids are being spoken to, so I
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might have something to say about them, but generally I
think I might just explain how much opportunity I wasted
just to explain to them how you can be overwhelmed
by what's going on to you and no matter whether
you're a believer or a skeptic, And that's going to
color what, you know, what you'd do. So and I'll
be there of my books of course, and hopefully selling
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a lot of those. And so yeah, that'll be and
kind of pinch hitting anywhere that's I'm needed actually to
do various things. I'll be doing the photography. I'm doing
some of the publicity for it. So I had many hats,
you know, with the symposium every year or so.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
So how does a symposium advance public understanding and academic
respect for paranormal research?
Speaker 3 (51:23):
Well, hopefully they look at it and they think, okay,
well there's this thing happening every year, and it's being
taken serious and there are serious people involved. Laura and Warning,
for instance. And I did We're in a program, did
a eight week program or show for Ami back in
twenty twenty, you know. So, and she's a very serious psychic. Now,
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whether she's a real psychic or not, I haven't trained her,
I haven't tested her, I should say, but I do
believe in her seriousness, and so I give her the
benefit of the doubt. And until such time, you know,
something might come up. But it's serious people doing talking
about serious topics, and they're taking it serious. And so
everybody's coming. It's usually one hundred and twenty people roughly,
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and they're coming from all over the Lace, from the States,
from Ontario, everywhere, and they come and of course heligoing
is you know now are knowing that there's a symposium.
And it was my idea to call it a symposium
rather than convention, because I wanted it to be taken
seriously and I wanted people to know that we were
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taking the topics seriously. We weren't just having jokers come
in and making fools of themselves or whatever. You know.
We were talking in and investigating and trying to understand,
you know, the paranormal from all avenues. And so we
were looking at it from all avenues, and we had
the people, different people from all avenues to come in
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and try to put their point of view and see
if that would advance our understanding. And the people that
are there, they're understanding of all these topics. You know
that they're out there.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Well, finally, how can events like Halfax Symposium help evolve
humanity's broader understanding of consciousness, death, and reality itself?
Speaker 3 (53:13):
Well, because those are the main topics we have every year.
You know, we have people coming with their own views
on it. Myself, you know, I can come at it
from just about every area, you know, because I studied
all the different areas. But other people coming from being
a psychic, or someone might come in from being a
medium or what have you. There might we might have
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a psychologist or a psychiatrist who's who spoke about the
darker aspects of it, demonology for instance. Somebody else might
come in and speak about consciousness itself and how we
just don't have a you know, a firm grip on it. Yeah,
it's too morph us right now. So although they do
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believe there is something akin to the soul that is consciousness,
and that there is the two brain syndrome, there is
the physical brain, and as I do believe that there
is also this other part of the brain that is
not necessarily tied to our bodies.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Well, doctor Walsh, I hate to do it, but we
have run out of time.
Speaker 3 (54:17):
That's fine.
Speaker 2 (54:17):
Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
Oh no, it was my pleasure, It really was. Thank
you for having me.
Speaker 2 (54:23):
My pleasure. Our guest is hour has been doctor Daryl Walsh,
Executive director of a Center for Psychological Studies in Canada,
President of Ghost Project Canada, and Director of Research for
PPRI dot net. Doctor Walsh also will be appearing at
the upcoming twenty twenty five Halifax Paranormal Symposium taking place
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November twenty first in Halifax, Nova Scotia, where leading researchers
and investigators will gather to explore the next frontiers of
paranormal science. To learn more about doctor Walsh and his work,
visit PPRI dot net or c p sc Dashcanada dot com.
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