November 12, 2025 • 52 mins
Preston Dennett began investigating UFOs and the paranormal in 1986 when he discovered that his family, friends and co-workers were having dramatic unexplained encounters. Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. He is a field investigator for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), a ghost hunter, a paranormal researcher, and the author of more than 30 books and more than 100 articles about UFOs and the paranormal. Several of his books are Amazon UFO best-sellers. His articles have appeared in numerous magazines including Fate, Atlantis Rising, MUFON UFO Journal, Nexus, Paranormal Magazine, UFO magazine, Mysteries Magazine, Ufologist, Phenomena Magazine, Outer Limits Magazine and others. His writing has been translated into several different languages including German, Portuguese, French, Russian, and Icelandic. He has appeared on numerous radio and television programs. His research has been presented in the L.A. Times, the L.A. Daily News, the Dallas Morning News and other newspapers. He has taught classes on various paranormal subjects and lectures across the United States. He currently resides on Earth in an undisclosed forested location. To contact Preston email him at prestonufo@gmail.com or click here: prestonufo@gmail.com
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome to Mission Evolution, the show that explores the evolution
of consciousness and the human experience. Are your host, Guildowayeka.
Our guests this hour is Preston Dinnett, our respected UFO researcher,
field investigator, and prolific author whose work has illuminated the
mysteries of extraterrestrial encounters and the paranormal. Since nineteen eighty six,
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Preston has investigated hundreds of USO cases, near death experiences,
and unexplained phenomenon, crulating them in more than thirty books
and countless articles. His research offers profound insights into how
contact with non human intelligence may be transforming both individuals
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and the collective human spirit. Join us as we journey
into the extraordinary with Preston Dinnet to uncover these encounters
and what they reveal about our evolution as a species.
To learn more, visit prestondinnet dot weeply dot com. Preston,
thank you so much for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's a pleasure and honor. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Preston, how did you get involved in UFO research in
and alien abductions?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Involuntarily? Actually kind of kicking and screaming. Really, this was
not something I was looking for. I was very skeptical.
That all changed when I was a pretty young man
nineteen eighty six, I was twenty one years old. I
can actually pinpoint the exact date. It was November seventeen.
The news came on and it portrayed an interesting news
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story about a Japanese commercial airline which had encountered a
UFO over Alaska. It's now a very famous case, but
at the time this news report was very kind of joking,
tongue in cheek. They laughed about it and moved on.
But I remember they showed the picture of this pilot,
captain Kenju Tarrochi. I thought to myself, Wow, you know,
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this guy's going to lose his job. You know what
did he see? Was it a reflection off the ice cap.
I was kind of just making up ridiculous explanations without
having done any research. But it reminded me that my
older brother Mark had come running into the house when
I was about thirteen years old claimed to have seen
a UFO. I didn't believe him at the time, but
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hearing this news report really got me thinking about that,
and so I asked him to tell me that story again,
and he really knocked my socks off. He described this
having seen a very classic flying saucer, metallic colored lights,
a dome on top, totally silent tree top level, and
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he chased it in his car. Yeah, this was in
La southern California area. He had two friends with him
who I knew well, Phil and Greg, and so he's like,
if you don't believe me, call them and gave me
their numbers, and they of course confirmed his sighting. That's
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kind of what got the ball rolling for me. But
what a shock it was to find out that I
knew many people I would say about thirty percent forty
almost it had some kind of unexplained experience. So yeah,
it was a real shock and a very difficult adjustment.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
How many people have had a siting or experience a
UFO abduction.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, it's interesting because there's some controversies surrounding that it
used to be thought of as very rare, but some
surveys show it's actually pretty common. Initially, I heard j
Allen Heinek, who was very well known in this field.
He was part of Project Blue Book, the Astronomical Consultant
and eventually kind of defected and started writing his own
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books about this subject. He's quoted as saying one in
forty people have been on board a UFO. I heard
that very early on, and I thought, no way, that's impossible.
That would be millions of people. That would mean I
would know someone who's had experience, because I think we
all know forty people. So I started asking everyone I knew,
and I didn't have to ask forty people. I found
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five people who kind of fit the bill. So I
wrote an article about that for the mouf On Journal.
Kind of surveying surveilling other major researchers who were calling
it an invisible epidemic. And it was in nineteen ninety
one that the Roper Organization, a major polling organization, conducted
a survey asked the thousands of people with some hidden
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questions in there, and they found that one in forty
people show the or what I'm sorry, one in fifty
people show the markers of being a UFO contact tea.
So yeah, I think it's a lot more common. It's
just that most people don't talk about it, especially if
you know you have an onboard experience or you see humanoids.
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Having interviewed hundreds of people, I always asked them that
did you call the police? Did you report it to
a uf organization? I'm being generous when I say one
in one hundred have reported it officially, Almost nobody reports it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So what's the typical mode of interstellar or interdimensional transportation
used by our aliens?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Trick question kind of. I think that you know, once
they're over our planet, they're basically because many contact he's
have been taken on board and told exactly how this works.
When they're traveling around our planet, they're basically harnessing our
gravitational magnetic field lines, sort of kind of anti gravity.
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People come up with different variations of this, but it's
generally along those lines. But in terms of interstellar distances,
almost always people describe interdimensional travel, so they're not traveling
faster than light or anything like that. Basically, they are
able to slip out of the third dimension into the fourth,
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perhaps the fifth, and pop out any desired location in
this universe, I guess you would say. But yeah, that's
pretty consistent in terms of contact to us who've been
able to get information on that. And people sometimes ask me, well,
how do you know they're extraterrestrial or are they interdimensional?
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I would say that, you know, one does not preclude
the other, because we ourselves are interdimensional beings. I know,
you know that's having done looked at some of your research,
but we survive, you know, death, near death experiences. All
this points to us being interdimensional beings, and certainly the
ets are as well and have a much greater understanding
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I think, and use of the other dimensions that they
know a lot more than we do.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I know that NASA has been studying what they call
X points, and they're created every place the electromagnetic field
of the planet crosses with that of This is.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
More research to really confirm that, but it's interesting because
there are certain areas on our planet which seem to
be what we would call UFO hotspots. Sedona Arizona is
often cited, but San Louis Valley, Colorado, California has a
huge hot spot in the Santa Monica Mountains and other areas.
And there's some kind of preliminary research, I would say,
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pointing towards the possibility that these are what you're talking about,
areas with high magnetic field lines or gravitational magnetic field
lines or vore texas. Some have used that word, which
is kind of vague and not fully scientifically confirmed, but yeah,
there's some research pointing towards that. I think. Lots of
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questions still surrounding this subject, which is why research is
so important and so hard to move forward with this
basically a worldwide government cover up, suppression of UFO information disinformation.
It's a bit of a mess trying to this subject forward.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I would think I would think, what are the alien
why are they deducting people? What's the point? Ah?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, a million dollar question. But I think we've started
to get a really good handle on this, having interviewed
hundreds of people who've had this experience and read every
book I can get my hands on. What I've found
out is pretty much been confirmed by other major researchers,
specifically those who concentrate or focus on people who are
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being taken on board, because of course there's many different
aspects of research you can go into, but we now
know enough to basically predict what's going to happen to
a person when they're taken on board, and I think
it really speaks to why this is happening to people.
One thing we do know is it's generational, so they
seem to be following certain family lines and perhaps have
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an interest in their genetics for some reason. So there
does seem to be a real strong interest in that area,
which is one of the reasons I think people are
being taken on board. I can't say that healing physical
healing is a big part of the et agenda. This
is not speculation. This is demonstrably proven through the first
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hand accounts of people being physically examined and often healed,
and a lot of research into this. Edith Fiori one
of the first persons with a PhD to write about
this subject, so that fully half of her clients had
experienced healings, which is what Ray Hernandez found in his
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free study. Muffon did a study mutual UFO network and
found closer to ten or twenty percent, but I can
tell you that pretty much every major researcher out there
has multiple cases of this kind. John Mack, David Jacobs,
Bud Hopkins, Jacques Balay, Brad Stagger, Timothy Beckley, but Barbara Lamb,
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Yvonne Smith, had could go on. I've covered many cases myself,
and I ended up writing a book documenting some three
hundred cases of this. So that's absolutely one of their agendas.
But I'd say there's like five major agendas that they have.
Another is just to basically provide information for people, because
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when people have an onboard experience and they're not in
complete terror or panic, and they are, they essentially have
missing time and they don't really recall a whole lot.
But those who don't react with fear are typically given
a tour of the craft and they'll take you down
to the engine room and they'll explain exactly how these
craft are powered, or we'll take you up to the
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control room and say how this is how we steer.
The craft actually sits you in the pilot's seat, and
it's generally psychically when anyone gets any communication from ets
beyond don't be afraid. We're not here to hurt you.
You're fine, You'll be home soon. They give messages and
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warnings that fall into just a few categories, and it's
very consistent and has been since the modern age of UFOs.
It's warnings about nuclear proliferation, warnings about warrant aggression, greeding, corruption, pollution,
and the destruction of the environment. So that's clearly one
of their major concerns is how we treat ourselves, each
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other and this planet. Another one more I think that's
very important to put forth is that they seem to
be very interested in elevating our psychic abilities, because almost
without exception, contactees have an enormous amount of psychic abilities,
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particularly following their encounter, but sometimes before. It's kind of
a two way street there, but healing, hands on healing,
astral projection, mediumship, clairvoyance, precognition, all of this man fests
very strongly following an experience. So it's pretty clear to
me that's a factor here.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's enough to make you wonder if we weren't seated
here and they're following up when you when they follow
the genetic line.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, there might be some evidence of that, because we
do know, just based on historical records, that this phenomena,
for lack of a better word, does go back to
at least prehistory and probably before that, because we have
you know, stone carvings and iroglyphs and writings of ancient
India and so forth. They've been around forever and many
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contactees have been told that that was what lived on.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's time. We're going to have to take a station break, Preston.
I will return very shortly, so don't you go away.
This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. Are all
aliens created equal? With? This is our discussing alien abductions?
Is UFO researcher Preston dannit precedent? How many different kinds
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of aliens are visiting the Earth.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Seems like it's almost endless. It's very interesting to me
because this is one of the things that kind of
kept me out of UFO research. It sounded very star
treky to me, with almost all reports being of what
we would call humanoids, you know, basically bipedal beings, arms, legs, head,
But that's what we're kind of stuck with. That's what
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the reports are showing us. Almost all of them are
humanoid in form. There are some definite major types grays
really dominate. In my own research, it's over fifty percent.
People will describe some variation of the short little beings
with large heads and large dark eyes, bald, grayish skin.
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But even there there's a huge variation because someone will say, oh,
there were chalk white, gray, tan, yellowish blue. You get
all these different and skin complexions. And of course there's
human looking ets, and I'd say that's the second most
common category. People that look very much like us, though
usually described as being a little taller perhaps six feet,
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very muscular, often very good looking or beautiful. Praying mantis
is another type. Tall whites, little short blue beings. Variation
goes on from there, strange humanoids of all kinds. And
it's so interesting to me because coming from a contact
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d angle, some contactees have asked about this, and a
message they often get is that we all share a
common ancestry. ETS will say something like we I am
you you rus, we are one. This sort of thing,
and from some contactees who are what I would call
fully conscious contactees, and they've overcome the fear, they don't
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need hypnosis. They have long interactive conversations. I met one
lady Dolly Saffron, wrote a book about her. She dug
into this particular question deeply and was told basically that
we all share the essentially the same genetics. We're all
basically human, but what we're seeing is just ancestry differences
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and you know, caused by the environment we live in,
but all essentially the same species, which would make sense
considering you know, people report grays hybridizing with humans. You'd
have to be the same species to be able to
do that. But yeah, that's a message a lot of
contactes get. So I'm leaning towards that our relationship with
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them is far closer than we perhaps previously believed, particularly
because some do look just like us.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That wouldn't kind of explain the reason that they might
be fascinated in us, And it kind of lends itself
towards the we wereceeded here to start out with, doesn't it? It?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Sued uh, And it's interesting because the idea that we
evolved on this planet or started on this planet is
certainly the mainstream paradigm that we're being taught in schools,
but that's not what the contact these are being told
humanity is throughout the universe, And as I mentioned earlier,
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a number of contactes say that we actually lived on
Mars and we're brought to Earth and are lifted off
periodically when there are natural cycles of existential crises with
pole tilts and things like this, So which there's some
good evidence for Michael Kremo, anthropologist. His book Forbidden Archaeology
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really lays it out in black and white that there
have been previous iterations of advanced societies on our planet.
So very interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So if we're looking for the missing link, we're going
to be looking a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I think that's what I think is so interesting about
this subject is it has so much to teach us.
It offers such a great opportunity to expand our knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
How do you know that stories of abductions are not
hypnotically retrieved fantasies or false memories.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I'm glad you asked that question, because there's a lot
of I think, misconceptions about it, a lot of confusion.
In my own research, I've stayed away from hypnosis in
my books, and I've written a number of them about
this particular subject. I would say about ten to twenty
percent of people have used hypnosis, and every single one
of their cases stands up without it. So any claims
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that this can be explained by false memory syndrome as
it's called does not hold water. Now, hypnosis has been
proven repeatedly to be unreliable in terms of getting memories
back if used in correct because, on the other hand,
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are numerous studies that show that it's absolutely very useful
to retrieve information accurately. And I can say with absolute
confidence that those who recall their memories through the use
of hypnotic regression, the details that they recall match precisely
what those who have fully conscious experiences recall. So there's
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no major difference between the two, which I think really
argues for the fact that this does work when used correctly.
So I absolutely do support hypnosis, but I generally don't
recommend it unless a person has debilitating anxiety perhaps or
a very clear cutcase of missing time that they can
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point to, because there are some hidden dangers there. And
people I've talked to who have gone through hypnosis some
have regretted it because they felt like the memory they're
hypnotically recalled, they're a little bit different, whereas a number
of people at some point, and this can happen, you know,
days after, weeks after or even years, we'll get some
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sort of cueue or trigger. They'll see the cover of
Whitley Strieber's book Communion and tell you how many people
have told me like, oh, that brought back my memories
of my experiences. So that can happen. You can recall
through dreams and meditation as well. I always recommend that
first before a person use hypnosis. But yeah, it works absolutely.
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I think is a reliable tool done right.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you think that people or is there evidence that
that the memories are blocked by the ETS or is
it possibly just traumatic to the person so they block it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah. For a very long time when I got in
UFO research, I was blaming the etes, like it's them
doing it. But if you look into the research of
trauma when someone has it, you'll see it. Amnesia or
memory problems pops up pretty consistently. Whether it's childhood abuse
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or war trauma victims, or even car accidents. Any type
of trauma assault can be blocked by a person. I
think essentially our own human mind doing it to protect
the individual. So I've come to realize that it's somewhat
of a two way street, because certainly there are cases
where ETS will tell people you're not going to remember this,
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or you will remember it as a dream, or you
will remember it when it's time. So I think in
some cases what's really going on here is if a
person is having a very difficult time processing the experience,
they will facilitate you not remembering, because I don't think
that's their purpose to scare people. Or the first thing
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they say is have no fear, you will not be hurt.
But we have such a strong fear reaction, totally understandable,
and I can only imagine what it must be like
to wake up and see grays in your bedroom, or
be on a table in an unusual place and ets
are examining you. So I think it's difficult for people
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to remember. And there's another factor going on here because
when people are brought on board or taken down, it
appears that it's done to this kind of interdimensional beam
because they're pulled through the walls the ceiling, and it's
much like waking up from a dream kind of you
know how dreams kind of slip away very easily. It's
I think a very similar process. So that would be
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a fair analogy on how it can be difficult to
remember these experiences. So yeah, I think it's a two
way street. Honestly, do you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Suppose that the trauma that abductee's experience is actually the
challenge to their concept of reality?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh? Yeah, yeah. Almost Without exception, when someone has a
contact experience, it changes everything. It is a peak experience
in their lives. It affects them on multiple levels physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, psychically.
It is an absolute life changing experience. So for some
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people they're just like, no, I can't deal with this.
This is very it's our process for most people, and
I absolutely see this pattern. It can be so frightening.
In the beginning. People will suffer from PTSD clinical PTSD.
They have insomnia, they have to sleep with the lights on,
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they lock all the doors, they have a fear of intruders.
But as they're brought on again, you know, on board,
they realize, well, you know, they just healed me or
they told me all this information that will give predictions
to people. People start to come around. So in my
own file, it's about seventy to eighty percent say it's
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kind of a mixed bag in the beginning, but after
they get through the fear, they would not change it
for anything, would say about ten percent was like, no,
I don't like this experience. I wish it never happened,
very traumatic for me, and I don't like it. So yeah,
there's kind of a bell curve there of how people
process this.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We're talking they travel inner dimensionally. Do you suppose that
this means also that they go backwards and forwards in
time and as where the predictions come.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
From, I am not sure. I'm willing to go that far. Absolutely,
they do provide predictions over and over again, some of
which have absolutely come true. And they can do things
with time that we don't understand, because it's not at
all unusual for a person to have an experience, be
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pulled from their bedroom or their car while driving our
long experience and come back in only minutes have passed.
I have a number of cases where people one gentleman
I interviewed, For example, in the Ozarks, the whole family
was there when a UFO showed up. He ran inside
to get a telescope or binoculars and came outside and
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his whole family was frozen. They weren't moving. In fact,
his father was holding a bucket of milk and it
was spilling over and he's looking at it like, how
can this possibly be? Because he could move and looking
down his driveway, he saw that the UFO that had
been in the sky had now landed, and these grays
were walking towards him. They had somehow it looked to
him like they had stopped time. Got a lot of
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cases from of this, And I don't think they're stopping
time at all, because you can't stop throughout the universe.
That makes zero sense. But I think what they're doing,
and I'm speculating here a little bit, is that they're
pulling people out of the third dimension, perhaps into the
forth where time flows differently, or somehow they're pulling people
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out of our time stream because they absolutely can do that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That would go back to the xpoint theory, because that's
supposed to be wormholes through time and space.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, we have a lot to unpack with this particular aspect,
because it's really remarkable because there are cases of people
who essentially said that they were shown past events, not
so much traveling back in time. There's a theory that oh,
there us from the future. I dug deep into that
theory and I could not find cases to really support
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that that I found to be credible, so I don't
think that's what's going on here. But they are very
perceptive psychically. Their psychic abilities are incredibly advanced, So I
think that they have precognition as a tool that we
ourselves have and can be developed. And as I said,
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many contactees will start experiencing these kinds of psychic abilities.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, it's about that magic moment. We're going to have
to have another station break. Preston and I will be
right back to continue our discussion, So please stay right there.
This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org.
Why me, This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org.
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With this discussing alien encounters is author Preston Dinnett. Preston,
is there any pattern as to who has a UFO encounter?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yes? And this took me years to figure out because
I really wondered about that, why some people and why
not others? And of course one pattern that we do
know of and has been long established, is that it
does follow certain family lines. So if your parents, grandparents, aunts, whoever,
have had an encounter, that increases your chances by at
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least fifty percent, more than fifty percent of people who
have encounters it is in their family, so that's a
very prominent pattern. But I dug into my own files
because looking for patterns, it was absolutely evenly divided between
men and women. There's talk about negative blood type being
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a factor here, and perhaps a little bit are itch negative.
But in my own files, people of every blood type,
every ethnicity have been contacted. Whether you're Caucasian or Black,
or Pacific Islander or Asian, it doesn't matter. Everybody, Latino,
you name it, so that's not a factor. People who
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are very very young will have these experiences, and people
who are quite elderly as well. It's not age, not education.
There's a little evidence of geography, because if you live
in a major UFO hotspot, your chances do go up.
But it's strange, and I really struggled with this because
some people have never they don't have a history of encounters,
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and there's a whole category that seems opportunistic where people
are driving along the highway, a remote highway, generally late
at night, and they have an encounter. So I think
that can be a factor. But what I found was
really interesting one day when I was interviewing a lady
from Norway because she had had grays come into her
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room and heal her of a chronic back problem that
was really quite frightening. There were little grays slipping her around,
held this instrument on her back, which I've heard described
from many others, and filed out through the through the
wall and took off. She was peppering them with questions.
They didn't answer anything. So I started asking all these questions,
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and finally I got to her profession and she said, well,
you know, I'm retired graphic artists, but right now and
I have been for years, I'm very active in my
community with human rights and animal rights, so please don't
use my name. I'm pretty well known here. And that
rang a bell for me because I just interviewed Reverend
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Michael Carter, who also fights for human rights and against
racism and in fact was given an award by the
President for his work on this, and thought, oh gosh,
there's John Hunter Gray. He is also a social worker
and he's had encounters and healings as well. So I
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started looking through my files. I'm like, oh, my gosh,
there's a lot of people who are doctors and nurses
and environmentalists and musicians and inventors, and people who are
doing good work for humanity and some capacity, so that
it's sort of a loose pattern. But the more I
look into it, the more it's being confirmed. And people
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have actually asked this, like why me, They said, well,
because you are doing work to help others, So I
think that is a factor.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Has the same person been abducted more than once regularly?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That is more the rule than the exception. Some people
generally starts at around age two to six or seven
and continues regularly through adolescents and perhaps the teenage years
and drops off and then in the twenties, forties, thirties,
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and will drop off kind of exponentially as a person
reaches their sixties or so. I would say the average
person will have like four or five major encounters that
they can remember, pretty rare that it's a one off.
It does happen, but generally know it's something that people
deal with their entire lives. It's hard to say because
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some people don't remember it. Whitley Streeber is a good example.
He was in not quite midlife, but close to it.
He was an adult and he realized finally he was
a contactee. It's very easy to go into the denial
and shelve these experiences and not think about them, debunk
them to yourself, explain them away. So I think there's
a lot of people out there who are contactees and
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probably have no idea of it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's a scary thought. Speaking of which, are there any
hostile ats that we know of that we've been encountered.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
With in my own files? I have not really run
into that, And I think this is a really sticky
controversial issue because there are people who have absolute negative
experiences and I've talked to them and I've asked them
exactly what happened to them, and they have a very
strong fear response. Because some people will have the same
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exact kind of experience and feel like, well, it wasn't
negative to me. So I think plays a very powerful
role in our perception. Because the worst I hear is
when a person is being physically examined, and it can
be incredibly traumatic, and there are people who describe some
amount of pain with some of these examinations or even operations.
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That's pretty rare, and almost always they will relieve the pain.
Not always. I am not convinced ets are coming here
to hurt, harm, cause fear or take over. If they
were truly hostile, I think with their advanced technology and
their advance stabilities, we would already know this. I think
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there's a thing phenomena called my labs, a military abductions
where our own governments are basically pushing a fear campaign
and trying to portray ETS as negative and actually abducting
people with fake abductions, particularly targeting contact ees well, which
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makes it very difficult for them, and using mind control
techniques and drugs and hypnosis and the whole deal to
fake a really negative encounter. And some of these stories
get out there and people are saying, well, you know,
my experience was horrific. I believe you, Yes it was.
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And I've interviewed some of these folks. One guy was
a marine and he flat out said, yeah, they did
all kinds of experiments on me. He was at Camp Pendleton,
a great guy, a very wonderful man, but ultimately decided
to know, my encounters have been horrific. So he's confused.
But if is ET doing this or is it something
else government agents? No, I don't think ETS are here
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to harm. And I know there are cases out there
which people describe, oh, you know this is what they
did to me. You know, it's again very controversial issue.
This is my take on it, and I'll just close
with this a very in depth look. The totality of
onboard cases objectively shows a very prominent pattern of healing, guiding, teaching, warning,
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waking people up to our psychic abilities, which are all
really good things for humanity. So my take on it
is that overall it's positive. I think there probably are
some malevolent species out there. Look at us, We're here
on a planet who don't treat each other that well.
Are they traveling to Earth to take people? I don't
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know that I would endorse that idea, but yeah, controversial
to say the least.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What would be the motivation of the government to make
false abductions?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I wish I could get into their minds too. I
think it's all linked to the cover up. I think
incidents like Roswell, the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven,
and many others where we have actually gained this technology,
these craft, these bodies is playing a role here because
it appears we do have this technology and it is
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being suppressed and withheld, And I think ultimately it comes
down to greed, power and control. I think there's a
lot more to unpack with this. It's not really my
area of expertise, so I focus more on the contact
era or you know subject. But it's a huge problem,
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and I think that's what's behind the cover up and
the idea that our governments want to paint this as
a negative phenomena, because just think what would happen if
suddenly everyone on Earth developed their psychic abilities, became telepathic.
We would overcome corruption if everyone knew that we didn't
have to live in a society with money enslaving us.
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How quickly the world would change. So ultimately, I think
the ET threat is to these the cabal, the illuminati,
the one per centers, secret government, call them what you want,
and they're doing everything they can to suppress this information
from reaching all humanity.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, we wouldn't want humanity to become empowered, now, would we.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, that's their greatest fear, I think, which is why
the work you're doing is so important.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Thank you. So, were any witnesses given information by the ets?
You've talked and talked about some of that. Is there
any other information that they were given that it really
kind of changes the way we look at the world.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh yeah, Yeah. Generally speaking, I've interviewed so many people
and those, as I mentioned earlier, fully conscious contact. These
are feeling far between the hundreds of people I've interviewed,
it's maybe five ten would be generous. But one contacting
I mentioned earlier, Dolly saffron I wrote a book called Symmetry.
She's been given loads of information. That book was doing
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really well because I think it's really resonating with people
who are searching for information about, you know, what is
daily life like with the ets. You know, what information
do they have. Working on a sequel of that book
where we're really doubling down on the science that she
has learned from them, but they've absolutely do communicate and
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impart tons of information to people on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So you mentioned also that abductees some tell, some don't.
Even if they do, remember, how does that wager out?
What percentage do tell and what percentage don't?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh gosh, I'd say the vast majority of people don't
come forward. Those that do often don't want their name
to be used. Particularly when I started in the late
nineteen eighties, the climate was much more hostile in terms
of ridicule and skepticism and gas lighting, and it's still
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a huge problem. And some people, of course have difficulty remembering.
But the more if you have a simple sighting, I
think a person is much more likely to come forward.
But if you have a humanoid in your bedroom or something,
or you believe you're taken on board, people often don't
even tell their own family, their spouse perhaps. And I
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can tell you that when I do interview somebody, almost always,
you know, particularly if it's an extensive encounter, they will
say something along the lines of some caveat. I don't
do drugs, I've got no history of mental illness in
my family. I've got a good job, I've got a
good education. So these kinds of things turn up again
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and again.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So it's the wing net thing, right, don't want to
be a wing net exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
People are very and I understand that they don't want
to be portrayed as a complete idiot, which you know,
I think we're all victims of the UFO cover up,
is what it comes down to, the whole all of
humanity has been essentially gas lit by are highest levels
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of oron military who are so disingenuous because they know
it's real know it's real.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Are there any connections with the UFOs and the paranormals
such as Bigfoot and ghosts?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh? Yes absolutely. This is another thing that took me
a while to unpack because right from the beginning I
started to get reports from people who are like, oh, well,
you know my house is haunted, like huh, or you
know I've had near death experiences. Lots of people contact
to you. I've had near death experiences, certainly not all
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of them, but it does turn up. And I got
my first big Foot UFO case, which was very puzzling
to me when a gentleman described having a UFO land
in his backyard and the next day big Foot showed up.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
We're we're going to have to take a break on
that note, We're gonna have to take another station break.
Please stay with us. Is Pearson and I continue to
explore UFOs and the mysteries surrounding them. This is Mission
Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. What do they
know that we don't? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution
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dot org. We're continuing our discussion with Preston Dinnet his
website Prestondinnitt dot Weebley dot com. Preston, We've been talking
a little bit about the government cover up. How large
is it and how long has it been going on.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's worldwide and it's been going on for at least
seventy to eighty years. Demonstrably, you know, this is not
speculation by any means, because groups like the Citizens against
UFO Secrecy actually sued the National Security Agency at one
point demanding openness and transparency and received documents back that
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were entirely blacked out, I mean every single page. So
we know the cover up is absolutely demonstrably true, and
it appears that it is worldwide and at the very
highest levels of government they are cooperating. I think it's
tricky because you know, apparently some presidents are even out
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of the loop or heads of state, and the folks
behind the cover up are hard to pinpoint because it
appears that they are the highest levels of the military
military industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned us against. But basically,
intelligence agencies are absolutely behind this. It's no coincidence. I
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think that intelligence agencies were formed coinciding exactly with the
modern age of upology in late nineteen forties. Also no
coincidence that that's the atomic age when suddenly we reach
the ability to destroy our entire planet. So I think
that's when ETS began a very vigorous publicity campaign, because
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they did go to government world leaders and asked them
to stop exploding nuclear weapons, asked them to be truthful
and transparent, which of course did not happen. So I
think they're conducting a grassroots campaign and showing themselves to
as many people as possible. We have over a million
We have a worldwide database of over a million documented
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cases ETS have disclosed, so they've absolutely done their part. Really,
the rest is up to us. This government cover up
is no joke. It is worldwide for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
It being that massive, how do we know it's not
other ETS that are behind it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't think there's any evidence of that whatsoever, in
the fact that ETS are working very hard to counter
the cover up. I wrote a book called Schoolyard UFO Encounters.
May have heard of the Zimbabwe case in nineteen ninety
six Aerial Elementary school. That's one of over one hundred
cases where UFOs have covered or landed over schools like
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Westall High School in Melbourne, Australia, Hillsdale College in Michigan,
Prestview Elementary School in Opa Laca, Florida, and many others.
This points to what researchers call UFO displays. It could
point to these major UFO waves that take place every
couple of years over various locations on our planet. I
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always wrote another book this is so interesting of UFOs
that were driving theaters. It's another very clever way for
echis to introduce themselves to a fairly large audience. I've
got over one hundred cases of this, and I think
there's probably ten times that amount. So I think, yeah,
eachi's have worked very hard to announce your presence. Look
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at the Capitol flyover in nineteen fifty two. Essentially they
would have landed, I think on the White House lawn.
It's so cliche. People asked, well, why don't they do that?
They tried. What was our reaction? We scrambled jet fighters
after them and tried to intercept them. So I think,
you know, it's our own faults that we haven't had
open official contact.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
With all the cell phones and cameras. Are we seeing
an increase in documentation?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Photographic evidence is very tricky. There's absolutely been some wonderful evidence.
I would point to the komberg As Turkey footage in
two thousand and six, seven and eight some of the
best footage out there. There is an enormous amount of
photographic evidence which I think is unimpeachable these days, however,
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with the advent of AI and photoshop and the hoaxing
is off the charts. You can't trust most of what
you see on social media platforms, and I just but
it's just true. And I don't even really want to
see these photographs that people are putting forth unless they're
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willing to stand behind it with an affid david, identify
themselves and really go through the whole process of being investigated,
because yes, many people have captured things on cell phones,
but it's just not trustworthy this current day and age.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
So what does the government really know?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
From what I understand, they know far more than UFO researchers,
probably more than most contactees. My understanding that this subject
is at the top of their list in terms of
urgency and the amount of money spent towards it. So
I think they know that they are ets, that they
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are very advanced, that they do have these craft that
can travel interstellar distances, and are doing their level best
to reverse engineer it to the point that pretty much
everything we see right now is probably reverse engineered craft.
From what I understand, ets are not right here right now,
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our magnetic fields have collapse to about sixty percent. They're
forty percent down. This is science you can look up.
Don't believe me, do your own research. Don't believe anything
I say. I would really encourage people to absolutely do
your own research, do your due diligence. But our governments
have absolutely and I think we know this from the
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huge number of whistleblower accounts and frankly first hand sightings
from people who describe what looks like not genuine ET
craft because they'll have rivets on it in the bolts
and or make god awful noises worth flying these craft around,
Make no doubt about it. What people are often seeing
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is our own craft.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
You mentioned the electromagnetic field of the Earth, and indeed,
I know that thing's been wandering. They've even had to
cease and desist landing airplanes, you know, the big jetliners
with remote means, okay, with autopilot, which used to be safer,
because the electromagnetic field of the Earth is becoming so erratic.
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Is this affecting the UFO encounters and their ability to
get here, I guess is the question.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, and I think this is why we've probably seen,
you know, over one hundred cases of UFO crashes. People
always say, well, the first one, man, that's how are
they crashing? Well, accidents happen, and if you're using the
magnetic field lines of our planet, gravitational magnetic field lines
to navigate, and there's that unstable uh, this is probably
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why they are crashing. So yeah, this is a huge
problem and it's had a profound effect I think on
ET contact and why it's really not happening right now.
This is what Dolly's told me. She says they bugged out.
That's interesting because I've had a number of contactees tell
me like, no, I haven't had an encounter in the
last three years. So I think this is an area
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that we need to do a lot more research into.
But if you follow the UFO databases, you'll see an
enormous drop off of what I don't call them abductions
because that is offensive to some of the people I've interviewed.
I call them onboard experiences, which is a much more
neutral term and accurate. I think but yeah, you drop off.
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Over the last three years.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Or so, the Sun's been going crazy too unprecedented. Do
you think that plays a part?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I do. From what I understand, we're facing a extinction
level event, a coronal mass ejection which will essentially drop
down our electric grid to a point where it's irreparable,
and perhaps a micro nova. And I think this is
one of the reasons behind the cover up. Our government
knows this, and they're moving into these dumbs deep underground
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military bases, collecting seeds and supplies and food and trying
to survive this and kind of leaving all humanity to
fend for itself. Absolutely, I think this is something everyone
needs to do their research on. Look up gosh, what's
his named, Ben Davidson. He has a website Space Weather Observers.
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You can see a lot of this information. He's kind
of the go to guy for this. But yeah, this is,
from what I understand, a natural cycle that our planet
goes through, and in prior iterations we're lifted off by ets,
but in prior iterations we are not as violent and
warlike and greedy and divisive, and all the troubles that
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we're going through, which has really prevented us from evolving
spiritually to the point where we need to be to
have open official contact.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
I can see why they would be a little hesitant
to give them the way we are operating right now.
Do you think that the government will ever disclose these things?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
I do not, and I hate to say it, because
when I got involved in this subject, people were saying, oh,
disclosures on the horizon, and it never came. Yes, we've
seen steps recently, but it's very much a dog and
pony show. It's very drip dripped. The cover up is
still in place. They've showed us little fuzzy images when
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we know they have much better footage. Let's face it,
fighter jets are riddled with cameras pointing in every direction.
Ask any military guy who they will tell you this.
We have gun camera footage that is crisp and clear
and absolutely conclusive, and that's never been released. In nineteen
fifty four, allegedly there was a landing with President Eisenhower
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and numerous officials that was filmed. Gordon Cooper was there
when UFO landed Edwards there far space and developed and
saw the footage that's never been released. There's so much
that has never been released. I don't think they will
ever willingly be open and truthful and transparent
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome to Mission Evolution, the show that explores the evolution
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Our guests this hour is Preston Dinnett, our respected UFO researcher,
field investigator, and prolific author whose work has illuminated the
mysteries of extraterrestrial encounters and the paranormal. Since nineteen eighty six,
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Preston has investigated hundreds of USO cases, near death experiences,
and unexplained phenomenon, crulating them in more than thirty books
and countless articles. His research offers profound insights into how
contact with non human intelligence may be transforming both individuals
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and the collective human spirit. Join us as we journey
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and what they reveal about our evolution as a species.
To learn more, visit prestondinnet dot weeply dot com. Preston,
thank you so much for joining us on Mission Evolution.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
It's a pleasure and honor. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Preston, how did you get involved in UFO research in
and alien abductions?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Involuntarily? Actually kind of kicking and screaming. Really, this was
not something I was looking for. I was very skeptical.
That all changed when I was a pretty young man
nineteen eighty six, I was twenty one years old. I
can actually pinpoint the exact date. It was November seventeen.
The news came on and it portrayed an interesting news
(02:30):
story about a Japanese commercial airline which had encountered a
UFO over Alaska. It's now a very famous case, but
at the time this news report was very kind of joking,
tongue in cheek. They laughed about it and moved on.
But I remember they showed the picture of this pilot,
captain Kenju Tarrochi. I thought to myself, Wow, you know,
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this guy's going to lose his job. You know what
did he see? Was it a reflection off the ice cap.
I was kind of just making up ridiculous explanations without
having done any research. But it reminded me that my
older brother Mark had come running into the house when
I was about thirteen years old claimed to have seen
a UFO. I didn't believe him at the time, but
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hearing this news report really got me thinking about that,
and so I asked him to tell me that story again,
and he really knocked my socks off. He described this
having seen a very classic flying saucer, metallic colored lights,
a dome on top, totally silent tree top level, and
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he chased it in his car. Yeah, this was in
La southern California area. He had two friends with him
who I knew well, Phil and Greg, and so he's like,
if you don't believe me, call them and gave me
their numbers, and they of course confirmed his sighting. That's
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kind of what got the ball rolling for me. But
what a shock it was to find out that I
knew many people I would say about thirty percent forty
almost it had some kind of unexplained experience. So yeah,
it was a real shock and a very difficult adjustment.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
How many people have had a siting or experience a
UFO abduction.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Well, it's interesting because there's some controversies surrounding that it
used to be thought of as very rare, but some
surveys show it's actually pretty common. Initially, I heard j
Allen Heinek, who was very well known in this field.
He was part of Project Blue Book, the Astronomical Consultant
and eventually kind of defected and started writing his own
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books about this subject. He's quoted as saying one in
forty people have been on board a UFO. I heard
that very early on, and I thought, no way, that's impossible.
That would be millions of people. That would mean I
would know someone who's had experience, because I think we
all know forty people. So I started asking everyone I knew,
and I didn't have to ask forty people. I found
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five people who kind of fit the bill. So I
wrote an article about that for the mouf On Journal.
Kind of surveying surveilling other major researchers who were calling
it an invisible epidemic. And it was in nineteen ninety
one that the Roper Organization, a major polling organization, conducted
a survey asked the thousands of people with some hidden
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questions in there, and they found that one in forty
people show the or what I'm sorry, one in fifty
people show the markers of being a UFO contact tea.
So yeah, I think it's a lot more common. It's
just that most people don't talk about it, especially if
you know you have an onboard experience or you see humanoids.
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Having interviewed hundreds of people, I always asked them that
did you call the police? Did you report it to
a uf organization? I'm being generous when I say one
in one hundred have reported it officially, Almost nobody reports it.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So what's the typical mode of interstellar or interdimensional transportation
used by our aliens?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Trick question kind of. I think that you know, once
they're over our planet, they're basically because many contact he's
have been taken on board and told exactly how this works.
When they're traveling around our planet, they're basically harnessing our
gravitational magnetic field lines, sort of kind of anti gravity.
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People come up with different variations of this, but it's
generally along those lines. But in terms of interstellar distances,
almost always people describe interdimensional travel, so they're not traveling
faster than light or anything like that. Basically, they are
able to slip out of the third dimension into the fourth,
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perhaps the fifth, and pop out any desired location in
this universe, I guess you would say. But yeah, that's
pretty consistent in terms of contact to us who've been
able to get information on that. And people sometimes ask me, well,
how do you know they're extraterrestrial or are they interdimensional?
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I would say that, you know, one does not preclude
the other, because we ourselves are interdimensional beings. I know,
you know that's having done looked at some of your research,
but we survive, you know, death, near death experiences. All
this points to us being interdimensional beings, and certainly the
ets are as well and have a much greater understanding
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I think, and use of the other dimensions that they
know a lot more than we do.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I know that NASA has been studying what they call
X points, and they're created every place the electromagnetic field
of the planet crosses with that of This is.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
More research to really confirm that, but it's interesting because
there are certain areas on our planet which seem to
be what we would call UFO hotspots. Sedona Arizona is
often cited, but San Louis Valley, Colorado, California has a
huge hot spot in the Santa Monica Mountains and other areas.
And there's some kind of preliminary research, I would say,
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pointing towards the possibility that these are what you're talking about,
areas with high magnetic field lines or gravitational magnetic field
lines or vore texas. Some have used that word, which
is kind of vague and not fully scientifically confirmed, but yeah,
there's some research pointing towards that. I think. Lots of
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questions still surrounding this subject, which is why research is
so important and so hard to move forward with this
basically a worldwide government cover up, suppression of UFO information disinformation.
It's a bit of a mess trying to this subject forward.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I would think I would think, what are the alien
why are they deducting people? What's the point? Ah?
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, a million dollar question. But I think we've started
to get a really good handle on this, having interviewed
hundreds of people who've had this experience and read every
book I can get my hands on. What I've found
out is pretty much been confirmed by other major researchers,
specifically those who concentrate or focus on people who are
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being taken on board, because of course there's many different
aspects of research you can go into, but we now
know enough to basically predict what's going to happen to
a person when they're taken on board, and I think
it really speaks to why this is happening to people.
One thing we do know is it's generational, so they
seem to be following certain family lines and perhaps have
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an interest in their genetics for some reason. So there
does seem to be a real strong interest in that area,
which is one of the reasons I think people are
being taken on board. I can't say that healing physical
healing is a big part of the et agenda. This
is not speculation. This is demonstrably proven through the first
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hand accounts of people being physically examined and often healed,
and a lot of research into this. Edith Fiori one
of the first persons with a PhD to write about
this subject, so that fully half of her clients had
experienced healings, which is what Ray Hernandez found in his
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free study. Muffon did a study mutual UFO network and
found closer to ten or twenty percent, but I can
tell you that pretty much every major researcher out there
has multiple cases of this kind. John Mack, David Jacobs,
Bud Hopkins, Jacques Balay, Brad Stagger, Timothy Beckley, but Barbara Lamb,
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Yvonne Smith, had could go on. I've covered many cases myself,
and I ended up writing a book documenting some three
hundred cases of this. So that's absolutely one of their agendas.
But I'd say there's like five major agendas that they have.
Another is just to basically provide information for people, because
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when people have an onboard experience and they're not in
complete terror or panic, and they are, they essentially have
missing time and they don't really recall a whole lot.
But those who don't react with fear are typically given
a tour of the craft and they'll take you down
to the engine room and they'll explain exactly how these
craft are powered, or we'll take you up to the
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control room and say how this is how we steer.
The craft actually sits you in the pilot's seat, and
it's generally psychically when anyone gets any communication from ets
beyond don't be afraid. We're not here to hurt you.
You're fine, You'll be home soon. They give messages and
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warnings that fall into just a few categories, and it's
very consistent and has been since the modern age of UFOs.
It's warnings about nuclear proliferation, warnings about warrant aggression, greeding, corruption, pollution,
and the destruction of the environment. So that's clearly one
of their major concerns is how we treat ourselves, each
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other and this planet. Another one more I think that's
very important to put forth is that they seem to
be very interested in elevating our psychic abilities, because almost
without exception, contactees have an enormous amount of psychic abilities,
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particularly following their encounter, but sometimes before. It's kind of
a two way street there, but healing, hands on healing,
astral projection, mediumship, clairvoyance, precognition, all of this man fests
very strongly following an experience. So it's pretty clear to
me that's a factor here.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
It's enough to make you wonder if we weren't seated
here and they're following up when you when they follow
the genetic line.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah, there might be some evidence of that, because we
do know, just based on historical records, that this phenomena,
for lack of a better word, does go back to
at least prehistory and probably before that, because we have
you know, stone carvings and iroglyphs and writings of ancient
India and so forth. They've been around forever and many
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contactees have been told that that was what lived on.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
It's time. We're going to have to take a station break, Preston.
I will return very shortly, so don't you go away.
This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org. Are all
aliens created equal? With? This is our discussing alien abductions?
Is UFO researcher Preston dannit precedent? How many different kinds
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of aliens are visiting the Earth.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Seems like it's almost endless. It's very interesting to me
because this is one of the things that kind of
kept me out of UFO research. It sounded very star
treky to me, with almost all reports being of what
we would call humanoids, you know, basically bipedal beings, arms, legs, head,
But that's what we're kind of stuck with. That's what
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the reports are showing us. Almost all of them are
humanoid in form. There are some definite major types grays
really dominate. In my own research, it's over fifty percent.
People will describe some variation of the short little beings
with large heads and large dark eyes, bald, grayish skin.
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But even there there's a huge variation because someone will say, oh,
there were chalk white, gray, tan, yellowish blue. You get
all these different and skin complexions. And of course there's
human looking ets, and I'd say that's the second most
common category. People that look very much like us, though
usually described as being a little taller perhaps six feet,
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very muscular, often very good looking or beautiful. Praying mantis
is another type. Tall whites, little short blue beings. Variation
goes on from there, strange humanoids of all kinds. And
it's so interesting to me because coming from a contact
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d angle, some contactees have asked about this, and a
message they often get is that we all share a
common ancestry. ETS will say something like we I am
you you rus, we are one. This sort of thing,
and from some contactees who are what I would call
fully conscious contactees, and they've overcome the fear, they don't
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need hypnosis. They have long interactive conversations. I met one
lady Dolly Saffron, wrote a book about her. She dug
into this particular question deeply and was told basically that
we all share the essentially the same genetics. We're all
basically human, but what we're seeing is just ancestry differences
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and you know, caused by the environment we live in,
but all essentially the same species, which would make sense
considering you know, people report grays hybridizing with humans. You'd
have to be the same species to be able to
do that. But yeah, that's a message a lot of
contactes get. So I'm leaning towards that our relationship with
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them is far closer than we perhaps previously believed, particularly
because some do look just like us.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
That wouldn't kind of explain the reason that they might
be fascinated in us, And it kind of lends itself
towards the we wereceeded here to start out with, doesn't it? It?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Sued uh, And it's interesting because the idea that we
evolved on this planet or started on this planet is
certainly the mainstream paradigm that we're being taught in schools,
but that's not what the contact these are being told
humanity is throughout the universe, And as I mentioned earlier,
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a number of contactes say that we actually lived on
Mars and we're brought to Earth and are lifted off
periodically when there are natural cycles of existential crises with
pole tilts and things like this, So which there's some
good evidence for Michael Kremo, anthropologist. His book Forbidden Archaeology
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really lays it out in black and white that there
have been previous iterations of advanced societies on our planet.
So very interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So if we're looking for the missing link, we're going
to be looking a long time.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
I think that's what I think is so interesting about
this subject is it has so much to teach us.
It offers such a great opportunity to expand our knowledge.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
How do you know that stories of abductions are not
hypnotically retrieved fantasies or false memories.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
I'm glad you asked that question, because there's a lot
of I think, misconceptions about it, a lot of confusion.
In my own research, I've stayed away from hypnosis in
my books, and I've written a number of them about
this particular subject. I would say about ten to twenty
percent of people have used hypnosis, and every single one
of their cases stands up without it. So any claims
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that this can be explained by false memory syndrome as
it's called does not hold water. Now, hypnosis has been
proven repeatedly to be unreliable in terms of getting memories
back if used in correct because, on the other hand,
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are numerous studies that show that it's absolutely very useful
to retrieve information accurately. And I can say with absolute
confidence that those who recall their memories through the use
of hypnotic regression, the details that they recall match precisely
what those who have fully conscious experiences recall. So there's
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no major difference between the two, which I think really
argues for the fact that this does work when used correctly.
So I absolutely do support hypnosis, but I generally don't
recommend it unless a person has debilitating anxiety perhaps or
a very clear cutcase of missing time that they can
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point to, because there are some hidden dangers there. And
people I've talked to who have gone through hypnosis some
have regretted it because they felt like the memory they're
hypnotically recalled, they're a little bit different, whereas a number
of people at some point, and this can happen, you know,
days after, weeks after or even years, we'll get some
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sort of cueue or trigger. They'll see the cover of
Whitley Strieber's book Communion and tell you how many people
have told me like, oh, that brought back my memories
of my experiences. So that can happen. You can recall
through dreams and meditation as well. I always recommend that
first before a person use hypnosis. But yeah, it works absolutely.
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I think is a reliable tool done right.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you think that people or is there evidence that
that the memories are blocked by the ETS or is
it possibly just traumatic to the person so they block it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah. For a very long time when I got in
UFO research, I was blaming the etes, like it's them
doing it. But if you look into the research of
trauma when someone has it, you'll see it. Amnesia or
memory problems pops up pretty consistently. Whether it's childhood abuse
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or war trauma victims, or even car accidents. Any type
of trauma assault can be blocked by a person. I
think essentially our own human mind doing it to protect
the individual. So I've come to realize that it's somewhat
of a two way street, because certainly there are cases
where ETS will tell people you're not going to remember this,
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or you will remember it as a dream, or you
will remember it when it's time. So I think in
some cases what's really going on here is if a
person is having a very difficult time processing the experience,
they will facilitate you not remembering, because I don't think
that's their purpose to scare people. Or the first thing
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they say is have no fear, you will not be hurt.
But we have such a strong fear reaction, totally understandable,
and I can only imagine what it must be like
to wake up and see grays in your bedroom, or
be on a table in an unusual place and ets
are examining you. So I think it's difficult for people
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to remember. And there's another factor going on here because
when people are brought on board or taken down, it
appears that it's done to this kind of interdimensional beam
because they're pulled through the walls the ceiling, and it's
much like waking up from a dream kind of you
know how dreams kind of slip away very easily. It's
I think a very similar process. So that would be
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a fair analogy on how it can be difficult to
remember these experiences. So yeah, I think it's a two
way street. Honestly, do you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Suppose that the trauma that abductee's experience is actually the
challenge to their concept of reality?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Oh? Yeah, yeah. Almost Without exception, when someone has a
contact experience, it changes everything. It is a peak experience
in their lives. It affects them on multiple levels physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, psychically.
It is an absolute life changing experience. So for some
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people they're just like, no, I can't deal with this.
This is very it's our process for most people, and
I absolutely see this pattern. It can be so frightening.
In the beginning. People will suffer from PTSD clinical PTSD.
They have insomnia, they have to sleep with the lights on,
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they lock all the doors, they have a fear of intruders.
But as they're brought on again, you know, on board,
they realize, well, you know, they just healed me or
they told me all this information that will give predictions
to people. People start to come around. So in my
own file, it's about seventy to eighty percent say it's
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kind of a mixed bag in the beginning, but after
they get through the fear, they would not change it
for anything, would say about ten percent was like, no,
I don't like this experience. I wish it never happened,
very traumatic for me, and I don't like it. So yeah,
there's kind of a bell curve there of how people
process this.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
We're talking they travel inner dimensionally. Do you suppose that
this means also that they go backwards and forwards in
time and as where the predictions come.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
From, I am not sure. I'm willing to go that far. Absolutely,
they do provide predictions over and over again, some of
which have absolutely come true. And they can do things
with time that we don't understand, because it's not at
all unusual for a person to have an experience, be
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pulled from their bedroom or their car while driving our
long experience and come back in only minutes have passed.
I have a number of cases where people one gentleman
I interviewed, For example, in the Ozarks, the whole family
was there when a UFO showed up. He ran inside
to get a telescope or binoculars and came outside and
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his whole family was frozen. They weren't moving. In fact,
his father was holding a bucket of milk and it
was spilling over and he's looking at it like, how
can this possibly be? Because he could move and looking
down his driveway, he saw that the UFO that had
been in the sky had now landed, and these grays
were walking towards him. They had somehow it looked to
him like they had stopped time. Got a lot of
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cases from of this, And I don't think they're stopping
time at all, because you can't stop throughout the universe.
That makes zero sense. But I think what they're doing,
and I'm speculating here a little bit, is that they're
pulling people out of the third dimension, perhaps into the
forth where time flows differently, or somehow they're pulling people
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out of our time stream because they absolutely can do that.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
That would go back to the xpoint theory, because that's
supposed to be wormholes through time and space.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, we have a lot to unpack with this particular aspect,
because it's really remarkable because there are cases of people
who essentially said that they were shown past events, not
so much traveling back in time. There's a theory that oh,
there us from the future. I dug deep into that
theory and I could not find cases to really support
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that that I found to be credible, so I don't
think that's what's going on here. But they are very
perceptive psychically. Their psychic abilities are incredibly advanced, So I
think that they have precognition as a tool that we
ourselves have and can be developed. And as I said,
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many contactees will start experiencing these kinds of psychic abilities.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, it's about that magic moment. We're going to have
to have another station break. Preston and I will be
right back to continue our discussion, So please stay right there.
This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org.
Why me, This is Mission Evolution, Mission Evolution dot org.
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With this discussing alien encounters is author Preston Dinnett. Preston,
is there any pattern as to who has a UFO encounter?
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yes? And this took me years to figure out because
I really wondered about that, why some people and why
not others? And of course one pattern that we do
know of and has been long established, is that it
does follow certain family lines. So if your parents, grandparents, aunts, whoever,
have had an encounter, that increases your chances by at
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least fifty percent, more than fifty percent of people who
have encounters it is in their family, so that's a
very prominent pattern. But I dug into my own files
because looking for patterns, it was absolutely evenly divided between
men and women. There's talk about negative blood type being
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a factor here, and perhaps a little bit are itch negative.
But in my own files, people of every blood type,
every ethnicity have been contacted. Whether you're Caucasian or Black,
or Pacific Islander or Asian, it doesn't matter. Everybody, Latino,
you name it, so that's not a factor. People who
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are very very young will have these experiences, and people
who are quite elderly as well. It's not age, not education.
There's a little evidence of geography, because if you live
in a major UFO hotspot, your chances do go up.
But it's strange, and I really struggled with this because
some people have never they don't have a history of encounters,
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and there's a whole category that seems opportunistic where people
are driving along the highway, a remote highway, generally late
at night, and they have an encounter. So I think
that can be a factor. But what I found was
really interesting one day when I was interviewing a lady
from Norway because she had had grays come into her
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room and heal her of a chronic back problem that
was really quite frightening. There were little grays slipping her around,
held this instrument on her back, which I've heard described
from many others, and filed out through the through the
wall and took off. She was peppering them with questions.
They didn't answer anything. So I started asking all these questions,
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and finally I got to her profession and she said, well,
you know, I'm retired graphic artists, but right now and
I have been for years, I'm very active in my
community with human rights and animal rights, so please don't
use my name. I'm pretty well known here. And that
rang a bell for me because I just interviewed Reverend
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Michael Carter, who also fights for human rights and against
racism and in fact was given an award by the
President for his work on this, and thought, oh gosh,
there's John Hunter Gray. He is also a social worker
and he's had encounters and healings as well. So I
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started looking through my files. I'm like, oh, my gosh,
there's a lot of people who are doctors and nurses
and environmentalists and musicians and inventors, and people who are
doing good work for humanity and some capacity, so that
it's sort of a loose pattern. But the more I
look into it, the more it's being confirmed. And people
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have actually asked this, like why me, They said, well,
because you are doing work to help others, So I
think that is a factor.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Has the same person been abducted more than once regularly?
Speaker 3 (31:14):
That is more the rule than the exception. Some people
generally starts at around age two to six or seven
and continues regularly through adolescents and perhaps the teenage years
and drops off and then in the twenties, forties, thirties,
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and will drop off kind of exponentially as a person
reaches their sixties or so. I would say the average
person will have like four or five major encounters that
they can remember, pretty rare that it's a one off.
It does happen, but generally know it's something that people
deal with their entire lives. It's hard to say because
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some people don't remember it. Whitley Streeber is a good example.
He was in not quite midlife, but close to it.
He was an adult and he realized finally he was
a contactee. It's very easy to go into the denial
and shelve these experiences and not think about them, debunk
them to yourself, explain them away. So I think there's
a lot of people out there who are contactees and
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probably have no idea of it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
That's a scary thought. Speaking of which, are there any
hostile ats that we know of that we've been encountered.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
With in my own files? I have not really run
into that, And I think this is a really sticky
controversial issue because there are people who have absolute negative
experiences and I've talked to them and I've asked them
exactly what happened to them, and they have a very
strong fear response. Because some people will have the same
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exact kind of experience and feel like, well, it wasn't
negative to me. So I think plays a very powerful
role in our perception. Because the worst I hear is
when a person is being physically examined, and it can
be incredibly traumatic, and there are people who describe some
amount of pain with some of these examinations or even operations.
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That's pretty rare, and almost always they will relieve the pain.
Not always. I am not convinced ets are coming here
to hurt, harm, cause fear or take over. If they
were truly hostile, I think with their advanced technology and
their advance stabilities, we would already know this. I think
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there's a thing phenomena called my labs, a military abductions
where our own governments are basically pushing a fear campaign
and trying to portray ETS as negative and actually abducting
people with fake abductions, particularly targeting contact ees well, which
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makes it very difficult for them, and using mind control
techniques and drugs and hypnosis and the whole deal to
fake a really negative encounter. And some of these stories
get out there and people are saying, well, you know,
my experience was horrific. I believe you, Yes it was.
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And I've interviewed some of these folks. One guy was
a marine and he flat out said, yeah, they did
all kinds of experiments on me. He was at Camp Pendleton,
a great guy, a very wonderful man, but ultimately decided
to know, my encounters have been horrific. So he's confused.
But if is ET doing this or is it something
else government agents? No, I don't think ETS are here
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to harm. And I know there are cases out there
which people describe, oh, you know this is what they
did to me. You know, it's again very controversial issue.
This is my take on it, and I'll just close
with this a very in depth look. The totality of
onboard cases objectively shows a very prominent pattern of healing, guiding, teaching, warning,
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waking people up to our psychic abilities, which are all
really good things for humanity. So my take on it
is that overall it's positive. I think there probably are
some malevolent species out there. Look at us, We're here
on a planet who don't treat each other that well.
Are they traveling to Earth to take people? I don't
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know that I would endorse that idea, but yeah, controversial
to say the least.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
What would be the motivation of the government to make
false abductions?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I wish I could get into their minds too. I
think it's all linked to the cover up. I think
incidents like Roswell, the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven,
and many others where we have actually gained this technology,
these craft, these bodies is playing a role here because
it appears we do have this technology and it is
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being suppressed and withheld, And I think ultimately it comes
down to greed, power and control. I think there's a
lot more to unpack with this. It's not really my
area of expertise, so I focus more on the contact
era or you know subject. But it's a huge problem,
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and I think that's what's behind the cover up and
the idea that our governments want to paint this as
a negative phenomena, because just think what would happen if
suddenly everyone on Earth developed their psychic abilities, became telepathic.
We would overcome corruption if everyone knew that we didn't
have to live in a society with money enslaving us.
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How quickly the world would change. So ultimately, I think
the ET threat is to these the cabal, the illuminati,
the one per centers, secret government, call them what you want,
and they're doing everything they can to suppress this information
from reaching all humanity.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Well, we wouldn't want humanity to become empowered, now, would we.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, that's their greatest fear, I think, which is why
the work you're doing is so important.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Thank you. So, were any witnesses given information by the ets?
You've talked and talked about some of that. Is there
any other information that they were given that it really
kind of changes the way we look at the world.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh yeah, Yeah. Generally speaking, I've interviewed so many people
and those, as I mentioned earlier, fully conscious contact. These
are feeling far between the hundreds of people I've interviewed,
it's maybe five ten would be generous. But one contacting
I mentioned earlier, Dolly saffron I wrote a book called Symmetry.
She's been given loads of information. That book was doing
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really well because I think it's really resonating with people
who are searching for information about, you know, what is
daily life like with the ets. You know, what information
do they have. Working on a sequel of that book
where we're really doubling down on the science that she
has learned from them, but they've absolutely do communicate and
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impart tons of information to people on Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
So you mentioned also that abductees some tell, some don't.
Even if they do, remember, how does that wager out?
What percentage do tell and what percentage don't?
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Oh gosh, I'd say the vast majority of people don't
come forward. Those that do often don't want their name
to be used. Particularly when I started in the late
nineteen eighties, the climate was much more hostile in terms
of ridicule and skepticism and gas lighting, and it's still
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a huge problem. And some people, of course have difficulty remembering.
But the more if you have a simple sighting, I
think a person is much more likely to come forward.
But if you have a humanoid in your bedroom or something,
or you believe you're taken on board, people often don't
even tell their own family, their spouse perhaps. And I
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can tell you that when I do interview somebody, almost always,
you know, particularly if it's an extensive encounter, they will
say something along the lines of some caveat. I don't
do drugs, I've got no history of mental illness in
my family. I've got a good job, I've got a
good education. So these kinds of things turn up again
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and again.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
So it's the wing net thing, right, don't want to
be a wing net exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
People are very and I understand that they don't want
to be portrayed as a complete idiot, which you know,
I think we're all victims of the UFO cover up,
is what it comes down to, the whole all of
humanity has been essentially gas lit by are highest levels
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of oron military who are so disingenuous because they know
it's real know it's real.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Are there any connections with the UFOs and the paranormals
such as Bigfoot and ghosts?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh? Yes absolutely. This is another thing that took me
a while to unpack because right from the beginning I
started to get reports from people who are like, oh, well,
you know my house is haunted, like huh, or you
know I've had near death experiences. Lots of people contact
to you. I've had near death experiences, certainly not all
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of them, but it does turn up. And I got
my first big Foot UFO case, which was very puzzling
to me when a gentleman described having a UFO land
in his backyard and the next day big Foot showed up.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
We're we're going to have to take a break on
that note, We're gonna have to take another station break.
Please stay with us. Is Pearson and I continue to
explore UFOs and the mysteries surrounding them. This is Mission
Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. What do they
know that we don't? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution
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dot org. We're continuing our discussion with Preston Dinnet his
website Prestondinnitt dot Weebley dot com. Preston, We've been talking
a little bit about the government cover up. How large
is it and how long has it been going on.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
It's worldwide and it's been going on for at least
seventy to eighty years. Demonstrably, you know, this is not
speculation by any means, because groups like the Citizens against
UFO Secrecy actually sued the National Security Agency at one
point demanding openness and transparency and received documents back that
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were entirely blacked out, I mean every single page. So
we know the cover up is absolutely demonstrably true, and
it appears that it is worldwide and at the very
highest levels of government they are cooperating. I think it's
tricky because you know, apparently some presidents are even out
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of the loop or heads of state, and the folks
behind the cover up are hard to pinpoint because it
appears that they are the highest levels of the military
military industrial complex, which Eisenhower warned us against. But basically,
intelligence agencies are absolutely behind this. It's no coincidence. I
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think that intelligence agencies were formed coinciding exactly with the
modern age of upology in late nineteen forties. Also no
coincidence that that's the atomic age when suddenly we reach
the ability to destroy our entire planet. So I think
that's when ETS began a very vigorous publicity campaign, because
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they did go to government world leaders and asked them
to stop exploding nuclear weapons, asked them to be truthful
and transparent, which of course did not happen. So I
think they're conducting a grassroots campaign and showing themselves to
as many people as possible. We have over a million
We have a worldwide database of over a million documented
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cases ETS have disclosed, so they've absolutely done their part. Really,
the rest is up to us. This government cover up
is no joke. It is worldwide for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:42):
It being that massive, how do we know it's not
other ETS that are behind it.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't think there's any evidence of that whatsoever, in
the fact that ETS are working very hard to counter
the cover up. I wrote a book called Schoolyard UFO Encounters.
May have heard of the Zimbabwe case in nineteen ninety
six Aerial Elementary school. That's one of over one hundred
cases where UFOs have covered or landed over schools like
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Westall High School in Melbourne, Australia, Hillsdale College in Michigan,
Prestview Elementary School in Opa Laca, Florida, and many others.
This points to what researchers call UFO displays. It could
point to these major UFO waves that take place every
couple of years over various locations on our planet. I
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always wrote another book this is so interesting of UFOs
that were driving theaters. It's another very clever way for
echis to introduce themselves to a fairly large audience. I've
got over one hundred cases of this, and I think
there's probably ten times that amount. So I think, yeah,
eachi's have worked very hard to announce your presence. Look
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at the Capitol flyover in nineteen fifty two. Essentially they
would have landed, I think on the White House lawn.
It's so cliche. People asked, well, why don't they do that?
They tried. What was our reaction? We scrambled jet fighters
after them and tried to intercept them. So I think,
you know, it's our own faults that we haven't had
open official contact.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
With all the cell phones and cameras. Are we seeing
an increase in documentation?
Speaker 3 (45:24):
Photographic evidence is very tricky. There's absolutely been some wonderful evidence.
I would point to the komberg As Turkey footage in
two thousand and six, seven and eight some of the
best footage out there. There is an enormous amount of
photographic evidence which I think is unimpeachable these days, however,
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with the advent of AI and photoshop and the hoaxing
is off the charts. You can't trust most of what
you see on social media platforms, and I just but
it's just true. And I don't even really want to
see these photographs that people are putting forth unless they're
(46:07):
willing to stand behind it with an affid david, identify
themselves and really go through the whole process of being investigated,
because yes, many people have captured things on cell phones,
but it's just not trustworthy this current day and age.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
So what does the government really know?
Speaker 3 (46:30):
From what I understand, they know far more than UFO researchers,
probably more than most contactees. My understanding that this subject
is at the top of their list in terms of
urgency and the amount of money spent towards it. So
I think they know that they are ets, that they
(46:50):
are very advanced, that they do have these craft that
can travel interstellar distances, and are doing their level best
to reverse engineer it to the point that pretty much
everything we see right now is probably reverse engineered craft.
From what I understand, ets are not right here right now,
(47:12):
our magnetic fields have collapse to about sixty percent. They're
forty percent down. This is science you can look up.
Don't believe me, do your own research. Don't believe anything
I say. I would really encourage people to absolutely do
your own research, do your due diligence. But our governments
have absolutely and I think we know this from the
(47:33):
huge number of whistleblower accounts and frankly first hand sightings
from people who describe what looks like not genuine ET
craft because they'll have rivets on it in the bolts
and or make god awful noises worth flying these craft around,
Make no doubt about it. What people are often seeing
(47:56):
is our own craft.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
You mentioned the electromagnetic field of the Earth, and indeed,
I know that thing's been wandering. They've even had to
cease and desist landing airplanes, you know, the big jetliners
with remote means, okay, with autopilot, which used to be safer,
because the electromagnetic field of the Earth is becoming so erratic.
(48:20):
Is this affecting the UFO encounters and their ability to
get here, I guess is the question.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Yeah, and I think this is why we've probably seen,
you know, over one hundred cases of UFO crashes. People
always say, well, the first one, man, that's how are
they crashing? Well, accidents happen, and if you're using the
magnetic field lines of our planet, gravitational magnetic field lines
to navigate, and there's that unstable uh, this is probably
(48:48):
why they are crashing. So yeah, this is a huge
problem and it's had a profound effect I think on
ET contact and why it's really not happening right now.
This is what Dolly's told me. She says they bugged out.
That's interesting because I've had a number of contactees tell
me like, no, I haven't had an encounter in the
last three years. So I think this is an area
(49:12):
that we need to do a lot more research into.
But if you follow the UFO databases, you'll see an
enormous drop off of what I don't call them abductions
because that is offensive to some of the people I've interviewed.
I call them onboard experiences, which is a much more
neutral term and accurate. I think but yeah, you drop off.
(49:33):
Over the last three years.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Or so, the Sun's been going crazy too unprecedented. Do
you think that plays a part?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
I do. From what I understand, we're facing a extinction
level event, a coronal mass ejection which will essentially drop
down our electric grid to a point where it's irreparable,
and perhaps a micro nova. And I think this is
one of the reasons behind the cover up. Our government
knows this, and they're moving into these dumbs deep underground
(50:05):
military bases, collecting seeds and supplies and food and trying
to survive this and kind of leaving all humanity to
fend for itself. Absolutely, I think this is something everyone
needs to do their research on. Look up gosh, what's
his named, Ben Davidson. He has a website Space Weather Observers.
(50:28):
You can see a lot of this information. He's kind
of the go to guy for this. But yeah, this is,
from what I understand, a natural cycle that our planet
goes through, and in prior iterations we're lifted off by ets,
but in prior iterations we are not as violent and
warlike and greedy and divisive, and all the troubles that
(50:48):
we're going through, which has really prevented us from evolving
spiritually to the point where we need to be to
have open official contact.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
I can see why they would be a little hesitant
to give them the way we are operating right now.
Do you think that the government will ever disclose these things?
Speaker 3 (51:09):
I do not, and I hate to say it, because
when I got involved in this subject, people were saying, oh,
disclosures on the horizon, and it never came. Yes, we've
seen steps recently, but it's very much a dog and
pony show. It's very drip dripped. The cover up is
still in place. They've showed us little fuzzy images when
(51:31):
we know they have much better footage. Let's face it,
fighter jets are riddled with cameras pointing in every direction.
Ask any military guy who they will tell you this.
We have gun camera footage that is crisp and clear
and absolutely conclusive, and that's never been released. In nineteen
fifty four, allegedly there was a landing with President Eisenhower
(51:54):
and numerous officials that was filmed. Gordon Cooper was there
when UFO landed Edwards there far space and developed and
saw the footage that's never been released. There's so much
that has never been released. I don't think they will
ever willingly be open and truthful and transparent
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